WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.840 Okay, General Energy, number 85, and we have Ray Peat and Georgi Dinkov on the line. 00:00:04.840 --> 00:00:05.840 Ray, how are you? 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:06.840 Very good. 00:00:06.840 --> 00:00:08.880 Thank you so much for doing this. 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:13.160 Really appreciate it, even with the time mishap, but thank you so much for bearing with us, 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:15.720 and I hope you had time to drink your coffee. 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:17.720 And yeah, thank you so much. 00:00:17.720 --> 00:00:18.720 Appreciate it. 00:00:18.720 --> 00:00:22.880 Anyways, okay, so I've listened to the bits about protein that you've been talking about, 00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:26.920 and I thought maybe anchoring the show in that would be kind of the most interesting 00:00:26.920 --> 00:00:27.920 thing. 00:00:27.920 --> 00:00:32.320 I'm not necessarily looking for you to tell everybody how much protein to eat per se, 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:36.160 but more like, I mean, as long as I've been following your work, you've been talking, 00:00:36.160 --> 00:00:42.440 maybe referencing that 1999 military study, 80 to 100 grams of protein per person, and 00:00:42.440 --> 00:00:46.240 then occasionally if somebody would ask you, you'd say, "Maybe even more would be better." 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:53.440 And so I'm more interested in how you shifted your thinking on this, and so maybe laying 00:00:53.440 --> 00:00:58.400 that out for us would be interesting, and then I have more questions about it. 00:00:58.400 --> 00:01:05.520 Yeah, it really started in the 1970s. 00:01:05.520 --> 00:01:15.440 I was volunteering for a free clinic in Eugene, and at that time they were burning grass fields, 00:01:15.440 --> 00:01:26.560 producers of grass seeds for lawns, and everyone had respiratory disease because of the summer 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.280 constant smoke. 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:43.600 And I had found that stopping certain supplements had greatly reduced my allergies, and so I 00:01:43.600 --> 00:01:52.080 just suggested that since everyone was taking every conceivable supplement with no benefit 00:01:52.080 --> 00:02:01.800 at all, I mentioned that to these allergy people at the clinic, and all of them got 00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:08.240 over their symptoms despite the field burning continuing. 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:18.080 And then they said, "If that silly idea worked, what other ideas do you have?" 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:36.240 I said, "Well, stop eating toxic junk like tofu and bean salad with lettuce and cucumbers 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:49.800 and various seeds and indigestible material, all the stylish, hippie stuff. 00:02:49.800 --> 00:03:02.000 Stop eating that and just try milk and cheese and eggs and meat and a more digestible diet." 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:09.400 And so everyone did, and they said, "Oh, the wonders of a high-protein diet." 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:10.400 It wasn't high-protein. 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:21.840 It was just low junk food basically, uncooked, indigestible materials. 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:45.680 So it wasn't intended as a specially high or low-protein diet, but for years, people 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:50.960 ate a healthy diet and it was considered high-protein. 00:03:50.960 --> 00:04:01.680 But if you're an active person in your 20s, you're very likely to be burning 4,000 or 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:09.520 5,000 calories per day of whatever nutrients. 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:21.520 And so 100 grams of protein in a 5,000-calorie diet with lots of carbohydrates isn't a bad 00:04:21.520 --> 00:04:24.960 ratio at all. 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:29.320 So to you, maybe there hasn't really been a change or a shift, and maybe that's like 00:04:29.320 --> 00:04:32.280 a perception of people that are listening. 00:04:32.280 --> 00:04:37.400 Because you don't have to broadcast every single thing that you do every day, so maybe 00:04:37.400 --> 00:04:45.280 this isn't really new to you. 00:04:45.280 --> 00:04:53.600 When you, for many years now, have been talking about amino, restriction of essential amino 00:04:53.600 --> 00:05:04.400 acids, a sign in restriction in animals increased their lifespan by 40%, and you've got an additional 00:05:04.400 --> 00:05:13.840 percent for restricting cysteine and tryptophan and other essential amino acids. 00:05:13.840 --> 00:05:25.840 So it's extremely life-extending to limit certain essential amino acids. 00:05:25.840 --> 00:05:34.800 And when you look at something that Broda Barnes noticed about 50 years ago, I guess, 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:43.520 he tried a high-protein diet, and for years he had been taking two grains of Armour thyroid 00:05:43.520 --> 00:05:45.120 every day. 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:53.880 And on increasing the meat in his diet, he had to take four grains of Armour every day 00:05:53.880 --> 00:05:59.040 to maintain his functions. 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:12.400 And so those two things have been out there as items of interest, the messianic restriction 00:06:12.400 --> 00:06:26.160 and longevity and the anti-thyroid effect of generally higher protein, and the life-extending 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:44.000 benefits of the immunosuppressive target of rapamycin inhibitors, the rapamycin type of 00:06:44.000 --> 00:07:00.800 antibiotic suppresses our growth called mammalian rapamycin, and so that explains a big part 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:16.160 of the mechanism behind messianine restriction, longevity, and protein inhibition of energy 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.600 production in a safe way. 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.880 So you're saying blocking the mTOR pathway is life-extending? 00:07:22.880 --> 00:07:24.880 Which pathway? 00:07:24.880 --> 00:07:31.080 Well, the abbreviation that they typically use in studies is mTOR, mammalian target of 00:07:31.080 --> 00:07:32.080 -- yeah. 00:07:32.080 --> 00:07:36.000 Yeah, inhibiting that is good. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:42.800 Well, you know, some of the main arguments of the caloric restriction crowd is that that's 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:48.320 precisely why they advocate people eating less, up to like 40 to 50 percent less of 00:07:48.320 --> 00:07:54.760 the calories, because that's what basically blocks the mTOR pathway and activates the 00:07:54.760 --> 00:07:58.400 PGC-1-alpha, I guess, is the opposite one? 00:07:58.400 --> 00:08:06.000 Well, it isn't actually calories, it's the anti-metabolic effect of those specific amino 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.000 acids. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.480 I see. 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.600 So maybe five or so years ago you had written to somebody saying you didn't really feel 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.400 right with that like 120 grams of protein. 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:20.440 So was that something personal that you had experienced, maybe experimenting with a lower 00:08:20.440 --> 00:08:26.200 amount, given the situation you find yourself in, and said to yourself that the methionine 00:08:26.200 --> 00:08:32.440 was maybe more thyroid suppressive than you had originally thought? 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:44.360 Around the age of 30, everyone's mitochondria are being suppressed, so your metabolism is 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:55.680 much slower after middle age, and that means that it's much more susceptible to being suppressed 00:08:55.680 --> 00:09:02.760 by those unnecessary amino acids. 00:09:02.760 --> 00:09:09.160 So but you're saying if you're young you could need normal 100 grams of protein or so, but 00:09:09.160 --> 00:09:14.680 in later age you don't need as much, you maybe need 50 or somewhere around there, is that 00:09:14.680 --> 00:09:15.680 right? 00:09:15.680 --> 00:09:16.680 Right, right. 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:31.520 And the carbohydrates go up as you, the ability to metabolize carbohydrates go up as you reduce 00:09:31.520 --> 00:09:37.800 your protein suppression, suppression of metabolism. 00:09:37.800 --> 00:09:43.720 And then what about sick people or just generally people that don't feel well, should they reduce 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:48.800 their protein intake or be conscious of it? 00:09:48.800 --> 00:09:59.920 Well for example having fruit juice when you're sick, a very high carbohydrate diet is very 00:09:59.920 --> 00:10:00.920 protective. 00:10:00.920 --> 00:10:10.160 A lot of that is because the proteins, even though they're anti-inflammatory for your 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:22.840 digestive system, if they're beyond that very low level, whatever, 50 grams a day maybe, 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:27.040 they're going to slow your metabolism. 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:31.660 Let me rephrase this, would this be a useful tool in the toolbox for a person to regain 00:10:31.660 --> 00:10:36.760 their health back is to try different amounts of protein including the lower amounts? 00:10:36.760 --> 00:10:43.740 Oh yeah, but especially different amounts of carbohydrate and different types. 00:10:43.740 --> 00:10:47.720 And you just reminded me to talk about the grape juice because I think that's really 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:48.720 valuable. 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.960 This just reminds me of the experiment the Russians did showing that you can survive 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:57.240 and in fact thrive on a diet of nothing but potatoes and butter. 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:02.680 Considering that potatoes have all these keto acids and basically the rest of it is carbs, 00:11:02.680 --> 00:11:07.760 would you say that would be a decent kind of diet for an older person or a hyper-metabolic 00:11:07.760 --> 00:11:08.760 person? 00:11:08.760 --> 00:11:23.480 Oh yeah, everyone since Adele Davis maybe before have commented on how well so many 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:31.040 old people do living on tea and toast for example or jello and toast. 00:11:31.040 --> 00:11:33.880 That's the real repeat diet. 00:11:33.880 --> 00:11:38.840 So what can one do to limit the dangers of starch even in well-cooked potatoes because 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:43.440 we don't want that starch, right? 00:11:43.440 --> 00:11:50.560 Just for energy if it's well-cooked or with butter to prevent preservation. 00:11:50.560 --> 00:11:54.800 So the butter is the main, like other saturated fats are basically the main protective factor 00:11:54.800 --> 00:11:56.920 when eating starch? 00:11:56.920 --> 00:12:10.360 Yeah, combined thorough cooking with a little butter to assure its breakdown. 00:12:10.360 --> 00:12:13.480 Ray for yourself, how did you arrive at the 50 grams? 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.200 Like what was that calculation? 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.040 How did that happen? 00:12:17.040 --> 00:12:30.000 Oh, just that it's hard to eat less. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:40.240 Even with the juices, as you reach a gallon of orange juice, your protein is going up 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.360 considerably. 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.400 And that's fairly difficult to do. 00:12:45.400 --> 00:12:51.880 You probably have to modulate your milk intake and meat and things like that. 00:12:51.880 --> 00:13:03.840 Even though calcium in milk helps to keep your thyroid function going, you have to at 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:19.480 first somewhat limit your milk and cheese and egg intake and even well-cooked vegetables. 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:28.200 You can choose some that have a little over-messianic content. 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:33.800 And then was the grape juice useful for this new experiment? 00:13:33.800 --> 00:13:37.760 I don't know how new it is, but the things you're doing now, because to maybe offset 00:13:37.760 --> 00:13:41.520 with the huge amount of carbohydrate you would need to increase it? 00:13:41.520 --> 00:13:46.240 Yeah, it does have a huge amount of carbohydrate. 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:54.800 You have to be careful because it can osmotically upset your digestion. 00:13:54.800 --> 00:13:55.800 The grape juice? 00:13:55.800 --> 00:14:03.680 Yeah, I can only tolerate two or three ounces at a time. 00:14:03.680 --> 00:14:10.040 And so I guess, how many carbohydrates are you eating? 00:14:10.040 --> 00:14:13.920 I'm not saying this so everybody should do it, I'm just curious of what you're doing. 00:14:13.920 --> 00:14:18.000 Maybe you're eating well over 500 grams or so? 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:23.400 Just about in that range, 500 or 600 I think. 00:14:23.400 --> 00:14:26.640 Mainly from orange juice? 00:14:26.640 --> 00:14:37.120 Oh no, a lot of very well-cooked vegetables, just for taste variety. 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:44.680 I just can't gag down that much grape juice and orange juice. 00:14:44.680 --> 00:14:48.560 And then I promise we'll move on, but how has this changed your liver consumption and 00:14:48.560 --> 00:14:49.560 your egg consumption? 00:14:49.560 --> 00:14:52.400 Like, do you eat less liver each week? 00:14:52.400 --> 00:14:55.280 I'm very, very much less. 00:14:55.280 --> 00:15:00.400 Like one or two ounces? 00:15:00.400 --> 00:15:11.760 Currently it's hard to get good organic liver such as chicken liver, and so whenever that's 00:15:11.760 --> 00:15:22.560 available we'll have some chicken livers with bacon, but that might be only once in two 00:15:22.560 --> 00:15:23.560 months. 00:15:23.560 --> 00:15:24.560 Oh well. 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:30.840 But maybe if the butcher in Oregon had liver, would your preference be to, or be ruminant 00:15:30.840 --> 00:15:32.520 liver, would your preference be for that? 00:15:32.520 --> 00:15:39.960 It's just not available given all the crazy things that are happening? 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:44.800 No, chicken livers with bacon are very unpleasant. 00:15:44.800 --> 00:15:45.800 Fair enough. 00:15:45.800 --> 00:15:46.800 That's a good answer. 00:15:46.800 --> 00:15:48.640 I think that settles it. 00:15:48.640 --> 00:15:53.800 But why would the change in dietary, in the macro ratios change the intake of liver for 00:15:53.800 --> 00:15:55.520 you as well? 00:15:55.520 --> 00:15:57.000 You feel like you need less? 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.840 You don't feel like I need less. 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.640 But liver is a huge source of methionine, right? 00:16:04.640 --> 00:16:06.240 Yeah. 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:12.680 And really early on, probably ten years ago, I think I ate eight ounces of liver and I 00:16:12.680 --> 00:16:17.700 felt real cold afterwards, and then the next day felt especially hypothyroid. 00:16:17.700 --> 00:16:20.680 So it might be just good for posterity. 00:16:20.680 --> 00:16:29.800 The methionine, what is the specific mechanism that it's suppressing the thyroid function? 00:16:29.800 --> 00:16:32.440 Or is it doing lots of different things? 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:35.200 Lots of things. 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:41.600 I don't know what the most important mechanism is. 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:42.600 Fair enough. 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.800 And we can move on and Georgi, interrupt me at any time here. 00:16:45.800 --> 00:16:50.400 Something I've noticed, you had mentioned it a long time ago, that people with a physically 00:16:50.400 --> 00:16:54.520 larger brain might notice symptoms really quickly. 00:16:54.520 --> 00:16:58.640 They have really high energy requirements, and if those requirements weren't met, they 00:16:58.640 --> 00:17:02.360 would notice it and kind of nuance symptoms about their health. 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:07.800 You know, that idea, I keep thinking about it because the people I talk to are all really 00:17:07.800 --> 00:17:08.800 interesting. 00:17:08.800 --> 00:17:13.040 They're all interesting people with interesting ideas, with different backgrounds, and I would 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:16.600 bet that they're very, I mean, I know they're intelligent. 00:17:16.600 --> 00:17:20.960 And so, but some of the smartest people will notice the tiniest little defects in their 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:21.960 body. 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:28.160 And so I was wondering if you could just speak about brain metabolism and then noticing symptoms. 00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:46.400 Yeah, the brain requires, in an absolute sense, a steady supply of glycogen and glucose. 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:59.520 So just excited thinking can consume really large amounts of sugar. 00:17:59.520 --> 00:18:07.840 And checking your blood pressure, it's called the pulse pressure or the difference between 00:18:07.840 --> 00:18:15.920 systolic and diastolic pressures. 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:28.160 If everything is running smoothly with enough blood sugar, you'll have a systolic that's 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:40.080 at least 50 points, about 50 points higher than the diastolic, very often lower. 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:49.480 But if you're having a problem with your glucose, you're going to have increased difference 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:58.760 with maybe 75 points higher systolic than diastolic. 00:18:58.760 --> 00:19:12.880 And if you get in that condition from excitation or whatever cause, anything that depletes 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:24.560 your systemic glycogen, then by checking your pulse pressure frequently and increasing your 00:19:24.560 --> 00:19:36.840 glucose and starch intake considerably, every few hours checking it and having more glucose, 00:19:36.840 --> 00:19:44.960 you can tell when you have replenished the glycogen source because suddenly your difference 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:52.560 between systolic and diastolic will come down to 40 or 45 points difference. 00:19:52.560 --> 00:19:54.640 Wow, that's useful to know. 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:59.640 And then in the same kind of line of questioning, would you expect somebody that had a real 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:04.920 low rate of metabolism and maybe had, I mean, we all have imperfect development, but somebody 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:10.040 with like a physically smaller brain or something that had three vaccines and just taking finasteride 00:20:10.040 --> 00:20:14.240 and stuff and says they don't notice the difference, but like maybe somebody that's running at 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:19.480 a really low level would not notice these like toxic insults that are happening every 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:23.040 moment of the day to them. 00:20:23.040 --> 00:20:24.920 Could that equally be true? 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.920 I think it is. 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:34.160 People that take SRI drugs are basically very prone to not only self-harm, but also like 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:39.000 getting wounds that they sometimes they sit there and fester because they ignored them, 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:43.840 they never felt the pain and they couldn't disinfect them. 00:20:43.840 --> 00:20:49.240 So people with high serotonin, I think they tend to experience higher emotional pain, 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.000 but they're numbed at the extremities. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.760 And I've noticed several people around me that are taking these drugs. 00:20:54.760 --> 00:21:00.400 They often have these wounds and scrapes on them that look pretty ghastly and they only 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:01.960 notice them when I point them out. 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:04.760 They claim they didn't hurt when they actually happened. 00:21:04.760 --> 00:21:18.560 Yeah, that sort of thing eventually is corrected by keeping your thyroid chronically a lot 00:21:18.560 --> 00:21:21.120 higher. 00:21:21.120 --> 00:21:25.560 And then keeping in line with the things I'm learning from the people I talk to, I'm probably 00:21:25.560 --> 00:21:30.320 talking to like four people right now that can take 200 milligrams of Progest-E and it 00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:37.640 has no effect whatsoever, but they all seem to uniformly benefit from antibiotics, like 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.160 specifically the tetracyclines or the macrolides. 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:44.160 But they don't necessarily have digestive problems per se. 00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:50.200 And so clearly they're, or maybe they're benefiting from the antibiotics anti-inflammatory effect. 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:54.600 And then again, I know this is kind of redundant because you've talked about this a lot, but 00:21:54.600 --> 00:22:00.960 what do you think is a good approach or strategies for somebody that might have a nitric oxide 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:06.360 problem if that's what's going on and their liver is not maybe responding to the huge 00:22:06.360 --> 00:22:08.140 amount of progesterone? 00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:13.560 Would a small amount of T3 be useful, like one or two micrograms per hour? 00:22:13.560 --> 00:22:15.840 I think so. 00:22:15.840 --> 00:22:21.280 And it all works. 00:22:21.280 --> 00:22:32.600 Everything that you have to regulate with, nervous system, hormones, digestive enzyme 00:22:32.600 --> 00:22:43.520 balance and so on, all of those are involved so that your cholinergic nervous system activity 00:22:43.520 --> 00:22:51.520 and your adrenergic system are activated in different ways. 00:22:51.520 --> 00:23:11.320 The helplessness cholinergic reflexes interfere with everything good so that you make more 00:23:11.320 --> 00:23:19.240 nitric oxide for example and slow things down and cause inflammatory damage. 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:23.120 Is there something I'm not thinking of that would be useful for that situation? 00:23:23.120 --> 00:23:28.280 Like oh, I have an experience with this person writing me that they overcame that situation 00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:32.040 with XYZ or is it like a... 00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:33.880 Go ahead. 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:41.840 Looking at the whole picture and seeing which you're in most desperate need of. 00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:45.520 What about the tool in the toolbox of reducing protein? 00:23:45.520 --> 00:23:48.920 Would that be especially useful for somebody maybe with like a... 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:51.440 Do you think what I'm describing is liver disease? 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.800 Like a person not responding to the progesterone? 00:23:54.800 --> 00:24:06.360 Yeah, and that can be a quickly repaired thing by getting the glycogen up. 00:24:06.360 --> 00:24:14.520 The liver turns off just like the brain if it hasn't stored enough glycogen and that 00:24:14.520 --> 00:24:19.200 is a matter of two or three days often. 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:25.000 So for liver disease, glycogen should be the top priority and glycogenesis can't happen 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.000 without T3 and progesterone and enough carbohydrate? 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:30.000 Yeah. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:36.000 Since you mentioned the cholinergic system, do you think that's the main risk of people 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:40.560 using nicotine besides its many beneficial effects? 00:24:40.560 --> 00:24:47.720 The problem is that it is the direct activator of the acetylcholine receptors. 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.480 The problem with using which? 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:58.800 Well, several people have asked you about using nicotine from tobacco as a chewing gum 00:24:58.800 --> 00:25:04.280 or actually as a tincture or just as an isolated substance and you've said several times that 00:25:04.280 --> 00:25:05.280 it may be beneficial. 00:25:05.280 --> 00:25:09.320 It's got a number of beneficial effects but you're wary of it and you don't recommend 00:25:09.320 --> 00:25:14.440 long-term use and do you think that the fact that nicotine is actually a direct ligand 00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:18.640 for that system, an activator of the cholinergic system, do you think that's the main risk 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.640 associated with it? 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.720 I think that's likely. 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:37.680 It's part of your cholinergic system and you can't be sure how the nicotine is going to 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:43.240 fit into the anti-inflammatory system. 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:51.920 It has that potential but it can do the opposite too and turn on cancer metabolism. 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:58.680 Why do you think that tobacco consumption is so widespread among indigenous cultures, 00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:09.720 especially the ones that are in the Americas? 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:21.440 Because it's stimulating value, psychologically it can tone things up and make you function. 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:25.400 So it's mostly as a stimulant, as a widely available stimulant? 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.880 Yeah, I think so. 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:33.600 Just going back to the glycogen for a second, two things I know you've mentioned that can 00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:37.520 deplete the liver of its glycogen, the estrogen and maybe the serotonin and maybe they're 00:26:37.520 --> 00:26:39.800 working on the same mechanism. 00:26:39.800 --> 00:26:44.080 Does the methionine, how does that relate to the estrogen and the serotonin, does that 00:26:44.080 --> 00:26:49.680 tend to increase them? 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.000 Yeah. 00:26:53.000 --> 00:27:07.680 It has a demobilizing function and the methyl groups are in a constant battle. 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:16.360 There's been too much emphasis on people who don't have enough methyl groups and not enough 00:27:16.360 --> 00:27:23.480 on the danger of an excess methyl pressure. 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:30.440 So in addition to the methionine and the insulinogenic effects of the protein, that could be a slippery 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.960 slope for a person with an under-functioning liver. 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:34.960 Mm-hmm. 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.960 Okay, just a few more and then we can talk about cultural things. 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:41.520 And Ray, I'm not going to keep you too long. 00:27:41.520 --> 00:27:44.360 And so the other thing that's completely unrelated. 00:27:44.360 --> 00:27:50.880 But Ray, lidocaine as a topical for hair loss, what do you think about that? 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:59.960 It's generally self-protective and I don't know anyone who has tried it, but since it 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:18.760 works for all kinds of very serious conditions, even helping with cancer and brain injury, 00:28:18.760 --> 00:28:23.960 it's almost always a good thing to try. 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:26.240 There is a -- oh, sorry, go ahead. 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:40.040 It prevents energy waste and so working at the simple level of available energy, it makes 00:28:40.040 --> 00:28:42.360 everything better. 00:28:42.360 --> 00:28:49.120 And then I have at least one paper in regards to so-called pattern baldness. 00:28:49.120 --> 00:28:54.760 They say investigation should be done on mast cell inhibitors for pattern baldness. 00:28:54.760 --> 00:28:59.920 And so obviously, the lidocaine would help with that, right? 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:01.000 Mm-hmm. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.480 And the whole world wants me to ask you about the massage thing. 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:09.560 And so everybody is asking, what is he specifically talking about? 00:29:09.560 --> 00:29:10.560 What type of massage? 00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:15.560 So in my point of view, the massage ideas that were going around were like, don't stop 00:29:15.560 --> 00:29:20.920 until your head is inflamed and red and has obvious inflammation in it. 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:25.040 So what type of massage were you thinking about that you thought could increase hair 00:29:25.040 --> 00:29:26.040 growth? 00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:42.360 Oh, just a very gentle massage such as gently rubbing oil into it. 00:29:42.360 --> 00:29:47.000 You don't want to cause inflammation. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:52.360 And the mechanism there might be -- obviously, it feels good, but maybe increasing the blood 00:29:52.360 --> 00:29:55.840 flow to the area that is a problem with the hair loss? 00:29:55.840 --> 00:30:04.560 Yeah, feeling good is a good way to increase blood flow. 00:30:04.560 --> 00:30:15.500 If you increase blood flow by irritation, that's because you're doing damage that causes 00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:24.120 lactic acid production and blocking good energy production. 00:30:24.120 --> 00:30:39.800 So a very soft, stimulating, pleasure-giving massage is the opposite of a rough, irritating 00:30:39.800 --> 00:30:40.800 massage. 00:30:40.800 --> 00:30:41.800 Thanks for that. 00:30:41.800 --> 00:30:45.020 And last question from me, and then we can move on. 00:30:45.020 --> 00:30:51.200 The most -- maybe you can concur, but the most common thing with thyroid dosing with 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:55.500 Cynoplus and Cynomel is overdosing. 00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:59.920 Maybe once a week, somebody tells me I started with a tablet of Cynoplus and a tablet of 00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:03.160 Cynomel just as a starting dose. 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.240 And so I have a few questions for you about this. 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:11.400 So one, we've talked many, many times about maybe 10 micrograms of T3 being kind of a 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:18.840 limit for dosing thyroid, or maybe even an arbitrary limit, and using that with a meal. 00:31:18.840 --> 00:31:24.480 When you take 15 or 20, what -- maybe you had said previously that the liver creates 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:27.040 enzymes to destroy it really quickly. 00:31:27.040 --> 00:31:29.440 Maybe you can just expand on that a bit. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:40.880 Yeah, so after a couple of weeks of doing that, you are -- after maybe 10 or 12 hours 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:48.920 after that overdose, you have plunged to a hypothyroid state. 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:56.480 And if you're dosing it only once or twice a day, those ups and downs become really extreme 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:03.960 and can do things like stopping your heart rate when your thyroid dips sharply. 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.080 And then just because we've been talking about it so much, for a person with liver disease, 00:32:08.080 --> 00:32:12.720 in your experience and from what you've read, do they tend to do better on smaller doses 00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:15.280 of T3 or bigger doses? 00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:16.280 Like what -- 00:32:16.280 --> 00:32:18.840 Oh, smaller. 00:32:18.840 --> 00:32:28.120 I think no one should supplement thyroid until they've read at least one of Broda Barnes' 00:32:28.120 --> 00:32:30.080 books. 00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:33.520 Maybe the "It's Not Your Mind, It's Your Liver," the "Hope for Hypoglycemia?" 00:32:33.520 --> 00:32:34.520 Yeah. 00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:39.000 I think they just started reprinting that as a side note. 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.240 And shoot, I had another question about the T3. 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:47.240 Oh, do you think it's a good idea to -- like I've seen the overdosing stuff so often that 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:51.540 I started recommending people buy $20 milligram scales. 00:32:51.540 --> 00:32:55.720 And as annoying as that is, I'm just worried about people taking too much. 00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:01.360 And so if they measure a tablet of Cynomel, which is usually about 100 milligrams, and 00:33:01.360 --> 00:33:06.240 then they do that cross-reference math, and then they find the microgram dosage, do you 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:07.800 think that's a good way to do it? 00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:18.400 Or is that too -- is that crazy? 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:27.480 I'm not sure whether they're actually going to be getting the right amount of T3. 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:43.440 If it's well distributed in the tablet, I think powdering a Cynomel tablet and figuring 00:33:43.440 --> 00:34:03.120 that you're taking two or three micrograms at a time, you're in least danger of having 00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.120 a suppression. 00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:05.120 So that's good to know. 00:34:05.120 --> 00:34:06.120 So I did not know that. 00:34:06.120 --> 00:34:07.120 So you think there could be a huge amount of T3 on one side of the pill and not enough 00:34:07.120 --> 00:34:08.120 on the other side? 00:34:08.120 --> 00:34:09.120 It's just conceivable. 00:34:09.120 --> 00:34:10.120 Very interesting. 00:34:10.120 --> 00:34:14.400 I appreciate you pointing that out. 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:20.800 And then once it's powdered, if a person wants to go for accuracy, they could measure it? 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:29.160 Yeah, but I would tend to go by the label. 00:34:29.160 --> 00:34:41.120 If it's Cynomel or Cynomel, I think you can count on the amount per tablet being accurate. 00:34:41.120 --> 00:34:54.880 But none of the generics that I've tried has been reliably to the potency that they claim. 00:34:54.880 --> 00:35:01.880 But once you powder a Cynomel tablet, if somebody was in a precarious situation and they're 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:05.760 like, "Okay, I'm going to try two micrograms," how do you even go about doing that? 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.520 You'd have to have a scale, right? 00:35:09.520 --> 00:35:20.640 Just by visual judgment, you powder a 25-microgram tablet and divide it into 10 apparently equal 00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:21.640 pieces. 00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:22.640 Okay, fair enough. 00:35:22.640 --> 00:35:29.960 I know you're maybe resistant to recommending a super complex type of thing, but if a person 00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:37.080 wanted to go for very accurate doses, do you think that's a bad idea to do the scale? 00:35:37.080 --> 00:35:40.600 Would that not be as accurate as the person thinks it is? 00:35:40.600 --> 00:35:50.120 It's misleading because your body isn't that accurate. 00:35:50.120 --> 00:35:58.160 The body responds very differently every time. 00:35:58.160 --> 00:36:05.000 There's no scale equivalent in the body. 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.880 It's always a new experience for the body. 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.760 But what you're saying is it's basically impossible to get an accurate dose of thyroid and you 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:17.000 just have to go off feeling, which I can accept. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.160 By the feeling, right? 00:36:19.160 --> 00:36:21.560 Your temperature, pulse rate and feeling. 00:36:21.560 --> 00:36:23.240 Okay, fair enough. 00:36:23.240 --> 00:36:28.320 Okay, I guess we'll let you go really soon here, Ray, but I just wanted to catch up on 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.320 the cultural stuff. 00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:34.760 So maybe, I don't know, three, four months ago, we asked you, "Are things still going 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:35.760 to plan?" 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.480 And I just wanted to get your update about that. 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:41.600 Do you still think things are going to plan? 00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:45.000 Not our plan, the oligarchs' insane psycho plan. 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.960 Which things? 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:54.080 Like the things you're seeing right now with the war and the rallying about monkeypox and 00:36:54.080 --> 00:36:57.540 everything that's happening and then the Fed starting to talk about the digital dollar 00:36:57.540 --> 00:37:01.200 and servers being online in February 2023. 00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:05.680 I guess sometimes a person will say, "Hey, I think their plan is failing." 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:07.700 So do you think that? 00:37:07.700 --> 00:37:11.240 Is that your orientation, that things are not going well for them? 00:37:11.240 --> 00:37:25.200 Oh, yeah, everything they're doing is becoming stupid and obvious, but they have rigged it 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:35.240 so that stupid and obvious aren't impediments to going ahead. 00:37:35.240 --> 00:37:48.560 The banks say that there's simply no alternative to digital money and they're just going ahead 00:37:48.560 --> 00:37:52.760 with it according to plan. 00:37:52.760 --> 00:38:07.040 It takes time to write all of the programs to manage all of the money in the world in 00:38:07.040 --> 00:38:26.600 a stereotyped manner so that no one has actual money but everyone is on a retainer of a certain 00:38:26.600 --> 00:38:28.120 loud amount of money. 00:38:28.120 --> 00:38:36.400 As soon as they can write the programs to administer that, they're intending it to come 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:44.640 out in something like two or three years just to get the bank machinery set up to do it. 00:38:44.640 --> 00:39:01.320 Even though everyone who thinks about it realizes it's absolutely evil, deadly, going to ruin 00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:18.760 the whole ecosphere, they have created essentially a mass dementia, an epidemic of dementia in 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:34.440 which people can't even begin to think about how to get out of that deadly fate. 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:38.840 So a more direct question, as you now see, I mean I'm sure you've seen, Russia and China 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.280 are basically, have solidified their union. 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.120 Russia has said, "We're done with the West. 00:39:44.120 --> 00:39:46.500 It's over." 00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:48.520 They're about to start their own currency. 00:39:48.520 --> 00:39:53.040 The BRICS, Brazil, Russia, India and China, the organization, and now they've added more 00:39:53.040 --> 00:40:00.320 to that organization, is also about to launch its own currency backed by commodities. 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.960 What do you think is going to happen over the next six to 12 months in the West without 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:09.360 food and potentially without raw materials for energy in Europe and maybe even in the 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:10.360 United States? 00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:18.480 Are we looking at a mass famine event here in the States in the next six to 12 months? 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:35.480 The production of grain by Ukraine and Russia is still there so that the worst of starvation 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:45.760 in the southern world can be alleviated, but everything is going to be under maximum tension 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:59.880 and the only thing that is keeping away a sort of terminal starvation condition is the 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:09.800 success of the Russian-Chinese third world axis. 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:21.400 They are on the threshold of a successful world economy and the main danger of that 00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:33.480 is that the West can't see any non-demanded solutions, so they're increasingly likely 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:36.640 to resort to nuclear weapons. 00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:41.880 We're basically looking at World War III because the West is now out of options. 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:45.240 I just don't see what the West has remaining. 00:41:45.240 --> 00:41:49.280 Obviously, they're going to try to go full fascism first just to keep the population 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.920 under control, but still that doesn't resolve the immediate situation, which is the economy 00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.160 of the West is done. 00:41:56.160 --> 00:42:00.680 There's literally almost no productive activity left here. 00:42:00.680 --> 00:42:07.560 Do you think that now with the Federal Reserve raising interest rates and the economy formally, 00:42:07.560 --> 00:42:12.600 not that there was much of it remaining before, but even now the fake money is going to disappear 00:42:12.600 --> 00:42:18.460 or at least significantly be curtailed because of the higher interest rate, do you foresee 00:42:18.460 --> 00:42:23.760 things getting rougher over the next six to 12 months or do you think there's some kind 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.560 of an opportunity for improvement? 00:42:27.560 --> 00:42:39.240 No, I think the West is just committed to everything getting worse. 00:42:39.240 --> 00:42:44.360 Ray, you echoed, I'm kicking myself because I can't remember this reporter's name, but 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.160 he's in the Ukraine and he basically said that the Ukraine is getting slaughtered by 00:42:48.160 --> 00:42:53.920 Russia right now, then he thought the US would then send in troops, they would also get slaughtered, 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:58.160 and then the only thing the US could do is, because they never apparently said they would 00:42:58.160 --> 00:43:01.440 not do a first strike, that they would use nuclear weapons. 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.040 Do you think that is a plausible scenario? 00:43:04.040 --> 00:43:18.280 Yes, the state of dementia that they have created for themselves leads almost inexorably 00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:19.280 to that. 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:20.280 Was that Goncalo Lieber? 00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.280 Yes. 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:22.280 He's really funny. 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.280 Yeah, I mean he's compelling. 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:32.360 Does your animal instinct, the first signal system, does it tell you right now that the 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.360 West is done? 00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:44.760 Yeah, I never hear Lieber say anything wrong. 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:52.160 He is extremely compelling and him being close to the action is also pretty useful. 00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:56.820 He had another one saying that, we've talked about this on a podcast before, but the Americans 00:43:56.820 --> 00:44:02.280 have such a strong normalcy bias that they can't see what's coming right around the corner. 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.560 I feel like I experience that every day. 00:44:05.560 --> 00:44:11.860 I feel like this is wartime, but I'm not saying people should have my crazy attitude or whatever, 00:44:11.860 --> 00:44:18.320 but people seem like they're kind of complacent or think because we're in a reprieve from 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.680 this crazy, like masks are disappearing and stuff, that things are going to get better. 00:44:22.680 --> 00:44:29.960 But I mean, if he's right, things are just going to get significantly worse fast, like 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:33.920 really quickly within the next six months or so. 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:34.920 Yeah. 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:43.880 I think it's approximately the schedule that I think is inevitable. 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:50.600 Have you bought any canned food that can last you a few months? 00:44:50.600 --> 00:44:56.960 No, the cans are a nuisance. 00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:07.840 I always have a barrel of coconut oil and some powdered milk and a lot of grains. 00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.440 And sugar, right? 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:16.080 George said and sugar, right? 00:45:16.080 --> 00:45:17.080 And what? 00:45:17.080 --> 00:45:20.520 Sugar, and bald or sugar, basically, white sugar. 00:45:20.520 --> 00:45:25.040 The low protein stuff is actually pretty useful entering into a dystopian future. 00:45:25.040 --> 00:45:26.800 Exactly, right? 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:31.360 So less eggs and, oh, we didn't really talk about that, but what, has your egg consumption 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.360 also decreased? 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:50.600 Yeah, the good thing about the carbohydrates is that they're cheap, will continue to be 00:45:50.600 --> 00:45:57.320 quickly produced and are easy to preserve. 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:03.640 So if you just avoided the methionine, the PUFA, the iron, all the food additives, even 00:46:03.640 --> 00:46:08.000 walking into a dystopian future, you could probably feel relatively okay. 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.000 Possibly. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:10.000 Yeah. 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.000 Okay. 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:18.380 I've talked to, I mean, because I always try to see the arguments of the other side. 00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:23.400 So over the years, ever since this whole thing, the craziness with the pandemic started, I 00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.840 tried to talk to some moderates and some people really at the other extreme. 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.720 And over the last two years, everybody that was moderate, that was willing to consider 00:46:31.720 --> 00:46:36.280 that maybe there was some nefariousness, but they're trying to kind of like buy their time 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.760 and see how things go. 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.480 Every single one of these people has been so-called red-pilled, have moved towards the 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.160 side that says, "Wow, things are really bad." 00:46:45.160 --> 00:46:49.580 And then the people who used to be simply optimistic now have become extreme to the 00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:52.780 point that they don't even want to be bothered. 00:46:52.780 --> 00:46:56.540 And whenever you bring stuff up about like potential world war or anything like that, 00:46:56.540 --> 00:47:01.060 they just refuse to listen, which to me is saying that we are living in very extreme 00:47:01.060 --> 00:47:03.920 times. 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.360 One last thing about the nuclear war. 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:06.940 There's nothing to do about that. 00:47:06.940 --> 00:47:11.540 Like if they, I mean, if they use nukes, like there's no amount of, I mean, have you made 00:47:11.540 --> 00:47:14.700 any preparations whatsoever if that happens? 00:47:14.700 --> 00:47:21.040 Just to drive south as quickly as possible. 00:47:21.040 --> 00:47:24.840 Or towards the middle of the country where they probably wouldn't waste the nuke on? 00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:32.160 Yeah, but the clouds will concentrate over the northern hemisphere. 00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:41.120 So the farther south you go, the quicker, the less likely you are to be quickly killed. 00:47:41.120 --> 00:47:45.920 Would you have to go, the closer to the equator, the better? 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:47.200 Yeah. 00:47:47.200 --> 00:47:52.600 In Mexico, would you have to go to like Chiapas or would Michoacan be the best place to be 00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:53.600 for that? 00:47:53.600 --> 00:47:59.000 Yeah, I think for the present, Michoacan is good. 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.320 High altitude, moderate rainfall. 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.720 What will be some remedies, potential for low level radiation exposure? 00:48:08.720 --> 00:48:12.640 Especially if it doesn't kill immediately or cause cancer over the next year, what could 00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:19.680 be some things that could decrease the long term damage? 00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:37.280 Using fossil, if you have a greenhouse, heating it with fossil fuels so that you avoid such 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:46.240 things as strontium fallout and get stable calcium. 00:48:46.240 --> 00:49:04.520 Avoid the frequent things that are very quick to absorb radiation. 00:49:04.520 --> 00:49:12.240 Avoid vegetables that are growing right after the fallout. 00:49:12.240 --> 00:49:13.840 But that would include also animal food, right? 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:19.080 Because the radiation will concentrate in their bones and brain and the fat tissue? 00:49:19.080 --> 00:49:20.560 Yeah. 00:49:20.560 --> 00:49:33.680 And so old food, if you find old stores of dehydrated or canned foods, they're the first 00:49:33.680 --> 00:49:37.040 thing to use. 00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:41.880 Last thing for me, one of the common retorts, if I'm talking about Mexico with somebody, 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.440 is that they don't want to go because of the cartels here. 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:50.680 You know what, in a dystopian future with a nuclear radiation sea, what do you see the 00:49:50.680 --> 00:49:54.800 cartels function as when things get really bad? 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:58.880 You think they would take over Mexico and it would be really bad or would you prefer 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.840 that over some kind of digitized prison in the US? 00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:07.960 You have to pick your poison or what do you think about that? 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:15.640 The cartels are just effectively capital. 00:50:15.640 --> 00:50:22.720 So there's not going to be anything particularly bad about what they do. 00:50:22.720 --> 00:50:25.440 I think they only exist because there's a huge market up north, right? 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.640 And they're controlled by the CIA. 00:50:26.640 --> 00:50:31.080 If these things disappear, the cartels will have to find another job, which probably involves 00:50:31.080 --> 00:50:33.560 working the land and doing something productive. 00:50:33.560 --> 00:50:42.160 Yeah, they've turned to things like avocados instead of drugs. 00:50:42.160 --> 00:50:46.040 You don't think it would turn into kind of organized mafia type of thing, just like crime? 00:50:46.040 --> 00:50:50.760 I mean, that will probably just happen everywhere if things get really bad. 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:51.760 Yeah. 00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:56.200 Okay, let's do the advertisement real fast. 00:50:56.200 --> 00:50:58.440 The newsletter is available by email now. 00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:04.480 It's $36 for 12 issues, which can be paid through rayPeats@gmail.com. 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:08.840 You can also order Ray's books, "From PMS to Menopause," "Progesterone in Orthomolecular 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.840 Medicine," "Gender of Energy," "Mind and Tissue," and "Nutrition for Women" by emailing that 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:14.920 same address. 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.280 And then also Progest-E from Keenogen. 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.880 You can email Catherine to purchasekeenogen@gmail.com. 00:51:20.880 --> 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