WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.160 all of your different websites you mentioned on the show page. 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:04.860 So if folks want to try some of the products, 00:00:04.860 --> 00:00:07.560 they can just click on there and they'll just go right there. 00:00:07.560 --> 00:00:12.240 You take care of yourself and say hi to your wife 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:15.200 and thank her for taking good care of you. 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:16.040 - I will, thank you. 00:00:16.040 --> 00:00:17.360 - All right, see you soon. 00:00:17.360 --> 00:00:18.200 - Thank you. 00:00:18.200 --> 00:00:19.080 - Bye. 00:00:19.080 --> 00:00:22.320 Dr. William Wong, who's a big fan of Ray Peat's 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:23.520 and Ray Peat heard that. 00:00:23.520 --> 00:00:28.720 - We are listener supported, One Radio Network. 00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:31.300 (upbeat music) 00:00:31.300 --> 00:00:50.320 - Well, here we go. 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:52.920 Here it would be the third Tuesday 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.280 and that would bring us to a time 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:58.840 when we're grateful to have a lovely 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:02.840 and talented Dr. Ray Peat on the air on the third Tuesday. 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.360 And as long as the creaks don't rise, he said, we'll do it. 00:01:06.360 --> 00:01:09.360 He's a PhD, University of Oregon, 00:01:09.360 --> 00:01:11.920 specialization in physiology. 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.880 Started working with hormones back in '68. 00:01:14.880 --> 00:01:18.120 Whoa, that's when I started radio in '68 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:19.160 in Armed Forces Radio. 00:01:19.160 --> 00:01:21.080 He was starting his work on hormones. 00:01:21.080 --> 00:01:24.520 Wrote his dissertation in '72. 00:01:24.520 --> 00:01:27.560 He's got a great newsletter 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:29.200 that comes out a couple of times a month 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:31.840 that you have a little link there on the show pages. 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:36.720 You can get Dr. Peat's newsletter 00:01:36.720 --> 00:01:39.120 and it's great to talk to him from time to time. 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:40.880 If you have an email for him, 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:45.120 question patrick@oneradionetwork.com 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.200 and out to the left coast, Dr. Peat, good morning. 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.360 - Good morning. 00:01:50.360 --> 00:01:52.480 - How are you doing there? 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:56.040 - Very good, it has started raining. 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.520 Winter weather setting in already. 00:01:58.520 --> 00:02:02.120 - You're in Oregon, right? 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:02.960 - Yeah. 00:02:02.960 --> 00:02:06.360 - You get a lot of rain there? 00:02:06.360 --> 00:02:11.080 - Yeah, the weather has been pretty variable, 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:16.080 but we're back to the old continuous rain it looks like. 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:19.800 The ocean is warming up 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.760 and when that happens we get extra rain. 00:02:23.760 --> 00:02:27.400 Humid air condenses. 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.320 - I saw the, oh go ahead, go ahead. 00:02:30.320 --> 00:02:35.320 - The nighttime rain is the traditional Northwest weather, 00:02:35.320 --> 00:02:42.360 but we have been changing over the last 30 or 40 years 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:47.880 until it looked more like a Midwest climate. 00:02:49.200 --> 00:02:52.480 Summer rain and drier winters, 00:02:52.480 --> 00:02:56.880 but I think we're back to the old rain in the winter, 00:02:56.880 --> 00:02:57.920 night and winter. 00:02:57.920 --> 00:02:59.600 - I saw with the farmers of Albinac, 00:02:59.600 --> 00:03:02.480 they use sunspots and they're predicting 00:03:02.480 --> 00:03:06.400 a cold and woolly winter this year 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:08.240 for a lot of the country. 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.600 We'll see how accurate that is. 00:03:10.600 --> 00:03:14.520 - Yeah, I think the sun and the submarine volcanoes 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.880 are really the important thing changing the weather 00:03:18.880 --> 00:03:22.680 over the long term rather than carbon dioxide. 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.720 - Yeah, submarine volcanoes? 00:03:26.720 --> 00:03:31.720 - Yeah, the Pacific is really pretty full of volcanoes 00:03:31.720 --> 00:03:39.560 that actually are warming the ocean 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.280 and they have cycles like sunspot cycles. 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:46.040 - Oh, so they put a lot of heat down there 00:03:46.040 --> 00:03:47.680 and they're going on and we don't really know. 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:49.440 They're spitting up. 00:03:49.440 --> 00:03:53.800 - Yeah, and they're teeming with life, 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:57.040 primitive life forms that can live 00:03:57.040 --> 00:03:58.880 at extremely high temperatures. 00:03:58.880 --> 00:04:04.160 - And so the ocean's warm and that causes 00:04:04.160 --> 00:04:06.240 all kinds of things to happen in the jet stream 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.720 and weather changes more dramatically. 00:04:10.720 --> 00:04:13.480 - Yeah, it changes the ocean currents. 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.240 - It's hard to imagine that carbon dioxide 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:19.480 is like the devil. 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:25.760 Don't we want to keep more carbon dioxide in us 00:04:25.760 --> 00:04:27.360 by not breathing so fast? 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:33.360 - Yeah, one of the anti-climate change people, 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:43.080 gets up on a box and lectures in London. 00:04:44.200 --> 00:04:47.080 He has a little sign that says, 00:04:47.080 --> 00:04:49.480 "Carbon dioxide is the gas of life." 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:53.480 - Many people believe that. 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.080 Gosh, how could you make it so, I don't know, 00:04:56.080 --> 00:04:58.160 so political stuff, who knows, right? 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.200 What's going on with all that? 00:05:00.200 --> 00:05:03.840 Well, Dr. Ray Peat is probably one of the few 00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:06.680 well-known people, well-credentialed people 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.880 that got milk, you know, he's got that little 00:05:09.880 --> 00:05:12.480 white mustache thing and you've been drinking milk 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.840 for a long time now and you do good with it. 00:05:15.840 --> 00:05:21.000 - Yeah, there were times, like when I was living 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:25.800 in Mexico City, when it was hard to get good milk, 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:29.400 the rich people would send their maids out at dawn 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:33.680 to buy up all of the good milk and so for three 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:37.880 or four years, I went very light on milk 00:05:37.880 --> 00:05:42.080 but the rest of my life, I've been a big milk drinker, 00:05:42.080 --> 00:05:43.840 gallon a day. 00:05:43.840 --> 00:05:46.840 - You're still doing that much, a gallon a day? 00:05:46.840 --> 00:05:49.040 - No, about two and a half quarts, I think, 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:50.200 averaging now. 00:05:50.200 --> 00:05:54.960 - Wow, we had an Ayurvedic doctor on a couple weeks ago 00:05:54.960 --> 00:06:00.640 and she's a, Ayurveda, as you know, you probably do know, 00:06:00.640 --> 00:06:02.760 they've been a great proponent of drinking milk 00:06:02.760 --> 00:06:05.960 for a long time, thousands of years, right? 00:06:05.960 --> 00:06:07.240 - Yeah. 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:08.800 - I wanna read you something out of her book, 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.280 I think you'll find it fun. 00:06:10.280 --> 00:06:15.280 Her name is Marianne Tittlebaum, she's a DC 00:06:15.280 --> 00:06:18.360 but we found her very, very, just, I don't know, 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:19.520 very credible. 00:06:19.520 --> 00:06:22.760 She says, "Dairy is perhaps the most misunderstood 00:06:22.760 --> 00:06:24.560 "of all food groups. 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.760 "The ancient doctors said that every food you eat 00:06:26.760 --> 00:06:31.760 "spends three to five days in each tissue 00:06:31.760 --> 00:06:34.280 "before progressing to the next. 00:06:34.280 --> 00:06:36.860 "There are, as discussed earlier, seven tissues, 00:06:36.860 --> 00:06:40.800 "blood plasma, blood muscle fat bone, bone marrow, 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:42.320 "and reproductive fluids. 00:06:42.320 --> 00:06:44.480 "This means that the food you eat today 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.140 "can sometimes won't nourish everything, 00:06:47.140 --> 00:06:51.080 "all seven tissues, for about a month or so. 00:06:51.080 --> 00:06:53.360 "The only exception to the rule is milk. 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.500 "It nourishes all seven tissues in one day. 00:06:56.500 --> 00:06:59.600 "This milk is seen as one of the most nourishing foods 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:00.720 "of all life. 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.740 "This is why babies can live exclusively off milk 00:07:03.740 --> 00:07:05.500 "for the first year of their life." 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.800 Do you think that's accurate with going through 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:10.820 all the tissues like that in one day? 00:07:10.820 --> 00:07:17.200 - I think some of that is historical metaphor, 00:07:17.200 --> 00:07:21.040 but there is some basis to it, 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:25.240 undoubtedly because it's now known that every tissue 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.780 has its rate of protein turnover, 00:07:28.780 --> 00:07:33.780 and as your nutrients change, the food you eat guides 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:39.620 the turnover of the proteins so that you get proteins 00:07:39.620 --> 00:07:42.260 suitable for the type of food you're eating. 00:07:42.260 --> 00:07:46.100 And every tissue, like bone, is extremely slow 00:07:46.100 --> 00:07:51.100 to turn over most of its substance. 00:07:51.100 --> 00:07:54.700 Your liver is very fast, the skin and intestine 00:07:54.700 --> 00:07:57.260 are extremely fast, just a few days 00:07:57.260 --> 00:07:59.380 and they're completely remade. 00:08:00.660 --> 00:08:05.660 And the heart has a slower rate of protein turnover, 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:08.900 but everything, the mitochondria, 00:08:08.900 --> 00:08:13.060 the energy-producing apparatuses is turning over 00:08:13.060 --> 00:08:16.380 constantly at its own rate. 00:08:16.380 --> 00:08:21.380 And I think in general, the faster a tissue turns over, 00:08:21.380 --> 00:08:26.460 because it's kept warm and well-nourished and unstressed, 00:08:28.260 --> 00:08:32.380 high stress will make you turn over your thymus gland 00:08:32.380 --> 00:08:37.380 and muscles and skin very fast, but in a destructive way. 00:08:37.380 --> 00:08:41.700 A good, warm, well-fed condition, 00:08:41.700 --> 00:08:46.220 you do have constant turnover and renewal of your tissues. 00:08:46.220 --> 00:08:50.760 It's like a streaming, new cells are being born 00:08:50.760 --> 00:08:53.460 as the old ones are being eaten up, 00:08:53.460 --> 00:08:58.460 and so you clean out the debris at a regular pace 00:08:58.460 --> 00:09:00.540 according to the tissue. 00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:02.300 - Interesting. 00:09:02.300 --> 00:09:06.860 And I agree with you, I think that it's been my experience. 00:09:06.860 --> 00:09:09.460 In the old Ayurvedic texts, 00:09:09.460 --> 00:09:11.860 which obviously is where this came from, 00:09:11.860 --> 00:09:14.620 they began, at some point, they often got off 00:09:14.620 --> 00:09:17.020 often very poetic, right? 00:09:17.020 --> 00:09:21.060 And very beautiful words, and they sometimes 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:23.760 would expound a bit or maybe say, 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:29.580 exaggerate a bit on the benefits of stuff. 00:09:29.580 --> 00:09:30.900 You know what I'm saying? 00:09:30.900 --> 00:09:33.660 Yeah, the historic, I think you nailed that. 00:09:33.660 --> 00:09:36.980 Not to say it's not true, but they were very poetic 00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:38.620 and philosophical and spiritual 00:09:38.620 --> 00:09:41.060 about the approaching of different things. 00:09:41.060 --> 00:09:43.800 And I know one thing that I read years ago, 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:46.620 they're big fans of ghee rather than butter, 00:09:46.620 --> 00:09:49.900 and I read one book where this fellow said, 00:09:49.900 --> 00:09:52.820 this sage, "Well, if you have 100-year-old ghee, 00:09:52.820 --> 00:09:54.700 "it'll cure anything," you know, that kind of thing. 00:09:54.700 --> 00:09:56.780 They would make these kinds of statements. 00:09:56.780 --> 00:10:01.900 So I think your point is well taken about the historical. 00:10:01.900 --> 00:10:04.140 But fascinating. 00:10:04.140 --> 00:10:09.140 Now, she's a big fan, and Ayurveda's always been a big fan 00:10:09.140 --> 00:10:13.260 of, not a big fan, but actually saying this is the best way, 00:10:13.260 --> 00:10:17.260 is to boil the milk, boil the milk for several reasons. 00:10:17.260 --> 00:10:19.620 I think it helps with the fat absorption 00:10:19.620 --> 00:10:21.620 and also if you have raw milk, 00:10:21.620 --> 00:10:23.500 maybe gets rid of any little buggies. 00:10:23.500 --> 00:10:26.460 And they put cardamom and cinnamon in there 00:10:26.460 --> 00:10:31.220 to help do some things that I'll find it in here. 00:10:31.220 --> 00:10:32.060 What about you? 00:10:32.060 --> 00:10:35.180 Do you think, have you found any benefit 00:10:35.180 --> 00:10:36.940 in the boiling milk? 00:10:36.940 --> 00:10:38.100 Have you ever done that? 00:10:38.100 --> 00:10:41.740 - Oh, sure, living outside of Mexico City 00:10:41.740 --> 00:10:44.880 where they have cows or goats, 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:50.820 that's the custom of everyone that puts a big pot 00:10:50.820 --> 00:10:55.100 of milk on in the morning and brings it to a boil. 00:10:55.100 --> 00:11:00.100 And that, usually they skim off the fat that rises 00:11:00.100 --> 00:11:04.780 and make special dishes out of that 00:11:04.780 --> 00:11:07.340 or else feed it to the cats and chickens. 00:11:07.340 --> 00:11:09.420 - I wonder why you would do that. 00:11:09.420 --> 00:11:11.420 Wouldn't that fat be good? 00:11:11.420 --> 00:11:13.260 - Yeah, if a person likes it, 00:11:13.260 --> 00:11:15.940 they have dishes and puddings and things 00:11:15.940 --> 00:11:16.780 that they make out of it. 00:11:16.780 --> 00:11:20.100 They use it as a sauce on tacos and such. 00:11:20.100 --> 00:11:22.860 - Now, would there be any benefit to our listeners 00:11:22.860 --> 00:11:26.700 who can't have access to raw cows or goats' milk 00:11:26.700 --> 00:11:29.780 to boil like an organic grass-fed milk 00:11:29.780 --> 00:11:32.140 that could get at the Whole Foods or something? 00:11:32.140 --> 00:11:35.740 - Yeah, surprisingly, the damage, 00:11:35.740 --> 00:11:38.380 nutritionally, is very small. 00:11:38.380 --> 00:11:41.580 It oxidizes some of the vitamin A 00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:44.300 and a tiny bit of the vitamin C, 00:11:44.300 --> 00:11:48.260 but milk is still basically the best source 00:11:48.260 --> 00:11:51.180 of all of the nutrients when you compare it 00:11:51.180 --> 00:11:56.180 to the number of calories and protein in it. 00:11:56.180 --> 00:12:00.180 It has all of the nutrients except iron. 00:12:00.180 --> 00:12:01.860 - How about the cardamom and cinnamon thing? 00:12:01.860 --> 00:12:03.940 Any thoughts on that? 00:12:03.940 --> 00:12:08.940 - Oh, each has its medical uses. 00:12:11.380 --> 00:12:13.100 I haven't been a big fan of them. 00:12:13.100 --> 00:12:20.340 Mexicans put cinnamon on their chocolate drink generally. 00:12:20.340 --> 00:12:22.420 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:22.420 --> 00:12:26.140 What about this A1 and A2 milk? 00:12:26.140 --> 00:12:27.700 That's been going around for years, 00:12:27.700 --> 00:12:30.020 and theoretically, the A2 milk, I guess, 00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:33.140 is supposed to be the most easily digestible. 00:12:33.140 --> 00:12:36.060 What is that from the, maybe the Jersey's? 00:12:36.060 --> 00:12:36.900 Or the Holstein's? 00:12:36.900 --> 00:12:39.940 No, A1 is found in the Holstein's, 00:12:39.940 --> 00:12:44.940 and then A2 is more in the Jersey's or the Guernsey's. 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:48.140 - When I was little, we had a Holstein, 00:12:48.140 --> 00:12:52.380 and then when I was about eight or nine, 00:12:52.380 --> 00:12:56.140 we got a Jersey, which we had for 10 or 15 years. 00:12:56.140 --> 00:12:59.740 I don't really see any difference, 00:12:59.740 --> 00:13:03.740 and I think a lot of it is just marketing 00:13:03.740 --> 00:13:08.500 to sell something for a higher price 00:13:08.500 --> 00:13:11.780 if you have the right kind of cow. 00:13:11.780 --> 00:13:15.940 - And Ayurveda says that the goat's milk is good, 00:13:15.940 --> 00:13:17.020 it's an excellent source, 00:13:17.020 --> 00:13:22.020 but it's just a little bit higher choice for cow's milk. 00:13:22.020 --> 00:13:23.020 That's interesting. 00:13:23.020 --> 00:13:24.100 Do you agree with that? 00:13:24.100 --> 00:13:26.500 Or do you know? 00:13:26.500 --> 00:13:28.420 Do you have a theory, opinion? 00:13:28.420 --> 00:13:31.820 - My own preference is for cow's milk 00:13:31.820 --> 00:13:36.020 just because I'm more familiar with that 00:13:36.020 --> 00:13:38.820 when I was in the first or second grade, 00:13:38.820 --> 00:13:43.060 we had a Holstein and the neighbors had goats, 00:13:43.060 --> 00:13:47.100 and their goat milk was very strong smelling, 00:13:47.100 --> 00:13:50.620 and so I learned to prefer cow's milk. 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:53.940 But if you handle the goats right, 00:13:53.940 --> 00:13:56.660 the goat milk will taste as good as cow's milk. 00:13:56.660 --> 00:14:02.180 - So you say you're drinking still a couple quarts a day. 00:14:02.180 --> 00:14:05.700 That must be, you find that's a lot of food for you, 00:14:05.700 --> 00:14:09.620 and that provides a lot of your nutrition? 00:14:09.620 --> 00:14:14.500 - Yeah, milk has always, the last 40 years, 00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:18.140 has been the bulk of my daily food. 00:14:18.140 --> 00:14:21.780 When I would drink a gallon a day, 00:14:21.780 --> 00:14:25.300 I would maybe have a couple of quarts of orange juice 00:14:25.300 --> 00:14:29.300 and some cheese or sardines or something 00:14:29.300 --> 00:14:34.300 for a supper snack and eggs for breakfast. 00:14:35.300 --> 00:14:36.900 - And that keeps you going, 00:14:36.900 --> 00:14:40.180 that would keep you going without losing, 00:14:40.180 --> 00:14:42.180 keep your muscles going. 00:14:42.180 --> 00:14:44.020 - Oh sure, yeah. 00:14:44.020 --> 00:14:45.700 - How about you now, let's see, 00:14:45.700 --> 00:14:50.460 if I recall your revolutions around the sun, 00:14:50.460 --> 00:14:54.980 which is all called age, you are 80, 83? 00:14:54.980 --> 00:14:58.180 - Yeah, well, in October '83. 00:14:58.180 --> 00:15:01.700 - '83 in October, yeah, I'm gonna be 73 revolutions 00:15:01.700 --> 00:15:04.340 in November, we're about 10 years apart. 00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:09.100 What has been your experience, I know you paint, 00:15:09.100 --> 00:15:11.580 do you have to do other things, 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:14.340 have you found to keep your muscles from, 00:15:14.340 --> 00:15:15.820 what's that word they use for it, 00:15:15.820 --> 00:15:17.540 they always have a word, doc, 00:15:17.540 --> 00:15:18.380 - Atrophy. 00:15:18.380 --> 00:15:19.380 - Sarcopenia. 00:15:19.380 --> 00:15:22.660 - Sarcopenia, yeah. 00:15:22.660 --> 00:15:25.740 Do you have any thoughts on that? 00:15:27.380 --> 00:15:31.580 - Yeah, I noticed after about 10 years 00:15:31.580 --> 00:15:36.180 of just sitting around studying my shoulders, 00:15:36.180 --> 00:15:38.620 got less rounded muscles, 00:15:38.620 --> 00:15:44.140 I could see in photographs that my shoulder muscles 00:15:44.140 --> 00:15:47.540 were smaller because I wasn't working regularly, 00:15:47.540 --> 00:15:52.540 but just moving around, my leg muscles have stayed huge 00:15:55.420 --> 00:16:00.420 after not going skiing, for example, for 10 years, 00:16:00.420 --> 00:16:07.100 someone told me that my leg muscles must be getting weak 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:10.540 from just sitting around reading all the time, 00:16:10.540 --> 00:16:15.540 but I tested myself doing one-legged sit-ups 00:16:15.540 --> 00:16:21.060 and every 10 years I would do 10 one-legged sit-ups 00:16:22.940 --> 00:16:27.940 and didn't notice a significant dropping off with time. 00:16:27.940 --> 00:16:32.060 I haven't done it for 15 years though, 00:16:32.060 --> 00:16:34.660 I don't know whether I could still do 10. 00:16:34.660 --> 00:16:39.140 - Do you do any other kind of exercise regularly? 00:16:39.140 --> 00:16:42.700 - No, just every 10 years I would test myself. 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:44.420 (laughing) 00:16:44.420 --> 00:16:45.300 - How often do you exercise? 00:16:45.300 --> 00:16:46.740 Oh, every 10 years, I knew. 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:51.420 That's great, that's great. 00:16:51.420 --> 00:16:53.260 So you like orange juice, huh? 00:16:53.260 --> 00:16:54.780 You still like orange juice? 00:16:54.780 --> 00:16:57.900 - Oh yeah, when good stuff is available, 00:16:57.900 --> 00:17:00.100 it should be thoroughly ripened. 00:17:00.100 --> 00:17:06.260 The commercial stuff, they're used to selling 00:17:06.260 --> 00:17:10.380 unripe oranges and so if they accidentally get ripe oranges 00:17:10.380 --> 00:17:12.660 they add acetic acid to it. 00:17:12.660 --> 00:17:17.820 A lot of the, for example, the concentrated 00:17:17.820 --> 00:17:22.820 or canned varieties very often have acid added 00:17:22.820 --> 00:17:26.540 but the acid etches the enamel off your teeth 00:17:26.540 --> 00:17:30.980 so ripe oranges are safer in every way. 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:34.980 - So you would want to rinse out your mouth 00:17:34.980 --> 00:17:37.620 with clear water after orange juice? 00:17:37.620 --> 00:17:41.740 - Yeah, clear water, maybe even baking soda 00:17:41.740 --> 00:17:43.660 if it's very acidic. 00:17:43.660 --> 00:17:46.580 - What do you think about taking baking soda 00:17:46.580 --> 00:17:49.020 regularly, some people advocate that, 00:17:49.020 --> 00:17:50.780 a quarter teaspoon or stuff. 00:17:50.780 --> 00:17:52.940 Do you think there's any value to that? 00:17:52.940 --> 00:17:56.980 - Yeah, I know people who do as much as a teaspoon 00:17:56.980 --> 00:18:00.100 two or three times a day and think it improves 00:18:00.100 --> 00:18:04.780 their endurance and strength. 00:18:04.780 --> 00:18:09.460 But even if a fourth of a teaspoon, 00:18:09.460 --> 00:18:14.460 two or three times a day, people say that it helps 00:18:14.900 --> 00:18:19.900 reduce inflammation and I know people who used to get 00:18:19.900 --> 00:18:23.700 swollen legs when taking a long airplane trip 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:30.060 when they took a teaspoon of baking soda in water 00:18:30.060 --> 00:18:32.340 before getting on the plane, they stopped having 00:18:32.340 --> 00:18:34.100 the swollen feet. 00:18:34.100 --> 00:18:36.140 - Well what's going on there, do you, can you 00:18:36.140 --> 00:18:39.220 surmise what you think metabolically is happening 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:41.700 with the baking soda, sodium bicarbonate? 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:46.700 - Yeah, the sodium lowers your aldosterone very quickly 00:18:46.700 --> 00:18:54.980 and aldosterone is a general stress hormone 00:18:54.980 --> 00:18:59.340 that tends to go up with cortisol which damages tissues 00:18:59.340 --> 00:19:04.340 but aldosterone causes a shift towards inflammation 00:19:07.380 --> 00:19:12.380 and fibrosis so the chronic elevation of aldosterone 00:19:12.380 --> 00:19:16.260 leads to heart disease and circulatory disease 00:19:16.260 --> 00:19:19.300 and kidney disease so chronic intake of a little 00:19:19.300 --> 00:19:24.300 extra sodium such as you get with that small doses 00:19:24.300 --> 00:19:30.340 of baking soda, that has a chronic anti-stress effect 00:19:30.340 --> 00:19:35.380 keeping your aldosterone lower and that lets you 00:19:36.780 --> 00:19:41.780 lose the sodium fairly quickly and the bicarbonate 00:19:41.780 --> 00:19:47.940 part is quickly changed, there's an enzyme 00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:51.780 carbonic anhydrase that changes carbon dioxide 00:19:51.780 --> 00:19:56.100 to bicarbonate and bicarbonate back into carbon dioxide 00:19:56.100 --> 00:20:00.900 and at the surface of your cell when you're losing 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:05.700 the sodium through your kidneys, your cells change 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:10.700 bicarbonate into carbon dioxide which is more soluble 00:20:10.700 --> 00:20:16.140 in the living cell so it goes out of your blood 00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:19.140 more or less at the same rate that the sodium 00:20:19.140 --> 00:20:22.420 is leaving your blood, bicarbonate into your cells, 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:26.660 sodium out of your body so what it amounts to 00:20:26.660 --> 00:20:31.660 is the same as breathing a little extra carbon dioxide 00:20:32.840 --> 00:20:37.840 and therefore failing to hyperventilate and low thyroid 00:20:37.840 --> 00:20:43.740 people hyperventilate and blow away the carbon dioxide 00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:48.540 they should be keeping in their cells and so the supplement 00:20:48.540 --> 00:20:53.540 of baking soda is imitating to a degree the normal 00:20:53.540 --> 00:20:59.700 thyroid function, keeping your cells more charged 00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:04.340 with carbon dioxide which is a stabilizing thing 00:21:04.340 --> 00:21:08.400 that has tremendous ramifications everywhere. 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:15.100 When you are at a high altitude there's less oxygen 00:21:15.100 --> 00:21:21.140 and the oxygen normally is in your lungs, 00:21:21.140 --> 00:21:26.900 it exchanges with carbon dioxide and so at sea level 00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:31.860 high oxygen pressure pushes more carbon dioxide 00:21:31.860 --> 00:21:35.740 out of your blood, at a high altitude the lower 00:21:35.740 --> 00:21:40.740 oxygen tension allows you to retain more carbon dioxide 00:21:40.740 --> 00:21:45.840 and people have less dementia, heart disease and cancer 00:21:45.840 --> 00:21:50.860 at very high altitudes and live longer and that's 00:21:50.860 --> 00:21:55.860 very likely mostly the effect of retaining the proper 00:21:56.500 --> 00:22:01.100 amount of carbon dioxide and so if you at moderate 00:22:01.100 --> 00:22:04.500 altitude if you're breathing more carbon dioxide 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:09.500 like adding a supplement it can be with baking soda 00:22:09.500 --> 00:22:17.180 that extra carbon dioxide is to some degree imitating 00:22:17.180 --> 00:22:20.860 a high altitude or a better thyroid functioning. 00:22:20.860 --> 00:22:25.360 - Fascinating, so the low thyroid folks, 00:22:26.300 --> 00:22:30.380 do they tend to breathe more, have more breaths 00:22:30.380 --> 00:22:34.020 per minute and then have less carbon dioxide 00:22:34.020 --> 00:22:36.340 which we know is good, is that right? 00:22:36.340 --> 00:22:41.340 - Well relative to how much oxygen they need 00:22:41.340 --> 00:22:46.060 because the oxygen requirement is very low 00:22:46.060 --> 00:22:50.460 in a low thyroid person so they don't need to move 00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:51.640 very much air. 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:57.480 Like a quart of oxygen will last a low thyroid person 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:06.960 maybe minutes where a high thyroid person 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.600 would be gone in seconds. 00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:16.640 I've seen it in labs where we were practicing 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.240 doing the basal metabolic rate test by rate 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:26.240 of consuming oxygen and for example the typical 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:35.280 old fashioned machine contains two liters of oxygen 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:40.520 and I didn't know that I was hyperthyroid. 00:23:40.520 --> 00:23:45.480 I didn't have any signs of hyperthyroidism 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:50.480 but in the standard test I emptied the machine 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:56.200 in half the allotted time so it was the tracing 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:01.960 on the graph paper was almost a vertical line 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:05.880 where it was supposed to be about a 45 degree angle 00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:10.880 to the right and according to the standards 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:16.840 I was about four times the normal oxygen consuming rate 00:24:18.280 --> 00:24:22.920 of which a doctor would say oh that's dangerous 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.840 hyperthyroidism but I was fine, no health problems at all. 00:24:27.840 --> 00:24:32.120 - Very interesting. 00:24:32.120 --> 00:24:37.120 Do you put much stock in taking the temperature 00:24:37.120 --> 00:24:42.240 to gauge thyroid function? 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:49.080 - Yeah, when you're producing energy at a high rate 00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:54.880 say 150% of the average, you're maintaining 00:24:54.880 --> 00:25:03.040 your blood sugar level because you're using 00:25:03.040 --> 00:25:06.760 the sugar efficiently, not wasting any. 00:25:06.760 --> 00:25:10.600 The hypothyroid person wastes sugar at a terrible rate 00:25:10.600 --> 00:25:13.080 because they aren't using oxygen properly. 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.480 So if you're using sugar efficiently 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.800 that means you don't experience hypoglycemia 00:25:22.800 --> 00:25:26.080 and so you don't produce very much adrenaline 00:25:26.080 --> 00:25:31.080 to regulate your blood sugar and so your adrenaline level 00:25:31.080 --> 00:25:37.640 is low, your stress level is low and everything 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.760 metabolically is running efficiently. 00:25:43.760 --> 00:25:48.680 You're turning over your proteins but in a renewal way 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.040 rather than a stress produced way. 00:25:52.040 --> 00:25:56.960 - Here's an email from Beth about thyroid 00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:58.800 so I thought I'd throw it right in there. 00:25:58.800 --> 00:26:02.420 Dr. Rapi, do you think fluoride and chloride 00:26:02.420 --> 00:26:06.480 in a tap water and bromide in breads 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.100 are having a major effect on our thyroids? 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.000 - Yeah, I didn't know they were still putting bromide 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:13.840 in bread. 00:26:13.840 --> 00:26:15.600 - I don't think they are generally 00:26:15.600 --> 00:26:17.720 but maybe this lady knows. 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:22.320 - Yeah, it isn't good if it's there. 00:26:22.320 --> 00:26:25.360 It should be avoided and fluoride I think, 00:26:25.360 --> 00:26:31.240 I was for a while using a supplement of T3, 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:36.160 thyroid reactive thyroid hormone 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:40.520 and when I would go to San Francisco 00:26:40.520 --> 00:26:43.840 or an area where they have fluoridated water, 00:26:43.840 --> 00:26:46.040 I would get a migraine headache. 00:26:46.040 --> 00:26:51.040 And I looked up the amount of fluoride ions in water 00:26:51.040 --> 00:26:58.000 and the amount of T3, the number of potential sites 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.600 for the fluoride to stick to. 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:11.600 And a glass of fluoridated water is enough 00:27:11.600 --> 00:27:17.240 to knock out a day's portion of the active thyroid hormone. 00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:22.520 And since I was using that active thyroid hormone, 00:27:22.520 --> 00:27:26.200 it was very quick and very noticeable 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:29.400 that if I drank fluoridated water, for example, 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.720 in my coffee or orange juice, 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.640 I would get a migraine from extreme hypothyroidism. 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.000 - Cynthia writes in, I take 60 milligrams, 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.040 one grain of natural thyroid every day. 00:27:44.040 --> 00:27:48.520 It seems my TSH levels are normal, one or two. 00:27:48.520 --> 00:27:49.920 My doctor likes that. 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.200 Does Dr. Peat think that if I just keep doing this, 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.760 that my thyroid will never be able to make this 00:27:55.760 --> 00:27:57.440 what it needs to on its own? 00:28:00.360 --> 00:28:05.000 - I've seen several people who were hypothyroid 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.880 who when they took the amount 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.880 that brought their oxygen consumption up to the right level 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:18.640 had recovery of their own thyroid function 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.840 and could stop taking it. 00:28:20.840 --> 00:28:22.440 It doesn't happen very often, 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.520 but I've seen several people who cured their low thyroid 00:28:26.520 --> 00:28:28.880 by supplementing thyroid. 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.840 - So explain what you mean, taking the oxygen level. 00:28:31.840 --> 00:28:32.800 How do we know? 00:28:32.800 --> 00:28:34.960 How would you know? 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:41.280 - Well, if you're sick with low thyroid, 00:28:41.280 --> 00:28:44.960 you have a variety of symptoms. 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.960 And these individuals responded 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.400 to supplementing their thyroid 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.160 the way any hypothyroid person does. 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:01.160 But in a few cases, they were able to maintain 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:05.400 their metabolic rate and stop taking the thyroid 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.920 because the thyroid had restored, 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.920 the supplement had restored their anti-stress metabolism, 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:19.580 lowered the adrenaline and cortisol, 00:29:19.580 --> 00:29:24.580 and allowed the tissue to start metabolizing by itself. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.880 And producing its own thyroid. 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.440 But usually a person's body is loaded up 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.440 with anti-thyroid substances, polyunsaturated fats 00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.640 built right into the structure of the cell. 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.960 Not only in the fat tissue, 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:47.960 but in their muscles and brain and so on. 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:53.600 Especially after the age of 20, 00:29:53.600 --> 00:29:58.320 the tissues start building polyunsaturated fats 00:29:58.320 --> 00:29:59.800 right into the structure. 00:29:59.800 --> 00:30:02.240 And when you're under stress, 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.440 you release some of those polyunsaturated fats 00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.080 into your bloodstream, 00:30:07.080 --> 00:30:09.480 where they interfere with thyroid function. 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:14.640 So the average person in their 20s or 30s or older 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:19.760 needs to, if they're hypothyroid, 00:30:19.760 --> 00:30:23.920 they benefit from taking a supplement for 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.920 at least a few years until they can change 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:28.680 the composition of their body. 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:34.760 - Are they better off to take the lowest possible amount 00:30:34.760 --> 00:30:35.640 when they're doing that? 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:40.480 I mean, just to make it work, 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.280 to help it make it work on its own? 00:30:42.280 --> 00:30:43.960 - Yeah. 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.000 If you happen to take too much, 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.840 you will get breathless, consume too much oxygen. 00:30:51.840 --> 00:30:54.400 I've done it many times. 00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.920 And just standing up to answer the telephone, 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.320 I would start panting and had to cut back on my thyroid. 00:31:02.320 --> 00:31:06.480 But I've seen people, well, on myself, for example, 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.240 when I was judging just by how I felt, 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:12.840 I would supplement the thyroid. 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.400 And one morning I noticed I had dents in my throat 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.400 beside my Adam's apple where the thyroid gland had been, 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:28.080 had been about the size of my finger, 00:31:28.080 --> 00:31:30.000 pressed into my throat. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.400 And I realized I'd shrunk my thyroid gland. 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:38.920 So I stopped taking the quick-acting T3. 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.280 The next morning, my neck was smooth. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.480 And I've seen several people who were taking too much 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.280 thyroid and have shrunk their gland. 00:31:49.280 --> 00:31:54.280 And in just one or two days, it comes back massively. 00:31:54.280 --> 00:31:59.480 - If one is taking some thyroid meds, as we call them, 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.880 what's the role of taking supplemental iodine 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.960 if you're not taking a thyroid or if you are? 00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:14.800 - Foods such as milk and eggs always contain thyroid 00:32:14.800 --> 00:32:19.600 even though seafood is the known reliable source 00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:23.200 of trace minerals, selenium and iodine particularly. 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.200 But since thyroid is a fertility hormone, 00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:33.800 animals can't produce eggs and milk 00:32:33.800 --> 00:32:35.760 if they're very hypothyroid. 00:32:36.600 --> 00:32:40.520 So you're assured that milk and eggs 00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:42.560 will always contain some iodine 00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:47.560 and some equivalent thyroid-supporting substance. 00:32:47.560 --> 00:32:53.600 So there was a study back when iodine 00:32:53.600 --> 00:32:57.760 was sometimes used as a dough conditioner 00:32:57.760 --> 00:32:59.040 instead of bromine. 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:04.320 And at that time, the average American diet 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:09.320 contained several times the ideal amount of iodine. 00:33:09.320 --> 00:33:15.640 And it has been about 60 or 70 years 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.600 since there were hypothyroid, low iodine areas 00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:24.920 in the United States, like the Great Lakes region 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.520 was a famous greater belt. 00:33:26.520 --> 00:33:31.520 But since food technology has started using so much iodine, 00:33:33.320 --> 00:33:38.320 there hasn't been any iodine deficiency zone in the US. 00:33:38.320 --> 00:33:43.760 And what happens if you take even twice, 00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:50.360 two or three or four times the amount needed by the body? 00:33:50.360 --> 00:33:55.400 You start interfering with the function of the gland. 00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.760 And often people supplement more than a milligram 00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:04.360 up to as much as 10 milligrams a day, 00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:07.320 and that seriously damages the thyroid. 00:34:07.320 --> 00:34:11.040 Every couple of months, I hear from someone 00:34:11.040 --> 00:34:13.080 who has damaged their thyroid 00:34:13.080 --> 00:34:16.840 by taking several milligrams a day of iodine. 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.160 - Is that a lot of milligrams? 00:34:19.160 --> 00:34:22.600 - Yeah, the required amount is about a tenth 00:34:22.600 --> 00:34:26.160 to a fifth of a milligram per day. 00:34:26.160 --> 00:34:29.800 And taking a half a milligram per day, 00:34:30.720 --> 00:34:33.680 chronically looking at a big population, 00:34:33.680 --> 00:34:38.680 that's enough to increase the incidence of thyroiditis 00:34:38.680 --> 00:34:40.760 and eventually thyroid cancer. 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:42.440 - So it sounds like what I'm hearing you saying 00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.640 is with some good foods, milk or eggs, 00:34:45.640 --> 00:34:47.560 and then we're gonna get plow or fish, 00:34:47.560 --> 00:34:50.080 we're gonna get enough? 00:34:50.080 --> 00:34:50.920 - Yeah, yeah. 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:56.920 And it's seriously dangerous in the long run 00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.000 to supplement too much iodine. 00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:01.800 - Yeah, yeah. 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:04.200 I do really well, and others have too. 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:07.440 They've mentioned with this, you know, the salmon, 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.320 you can get, you know, the little thin slices. 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.160 What do you call that? 00:35:12.160 --> 00:35:13.760 I guess smoked salmon and things like. 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.680 You think that's a generally good food? 00:35:15.680 --> 00:35:20.920 - Yeah, it's nutritious, but you can overload 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:25.120 on polyunsaturated fat if you eat salmon all the time. 00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:27.240 - Oh, there's poofas in salmon? 00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:29.360 - Oh yeah, a lot of poofa. 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.480 - Really, what are they doing there? 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.040 I thought that's a fish. 00:35:32.040 --> 00:35:37.880 - Yeah, the cold water fish eat algae, 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.960 and the algae is the source of-- 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.200 - Of the poofas. 00:35:42.200 --> 00:35:43.040 - Poofa. 00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:44.120 - Yeah, yeah. 00:35:44.120 --> 00:35:47.440 So you tend to, you like to gravitate more 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:49.240 towards the warm water fish. 00:35:49.240 --> 00:35:52.520 - Yeah, as far as it's available, 00:35:52.520 --> 00:35:54.520 but a small amount. 00:35:54.520 --> 00:35:56.560 There are some low-fat fish 00:35:56.560 --> 00:35:58.680 that come from pretty cold waters. 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:04.320 Cod and sole are the lowest-fat fish that I know of, 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:11.080 and I think they're safer than salmon 00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:13.280 if you're gonna eat fish every week. 00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:14.120 - Oh, really? 00:36:14.120 --> 00:36:16.960 Okay, can you stay right there? 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:18.120 We're gonna take a little break here. 00:36:18.120 --> 00:36:23.120 Patrick Timpone on Radionetwork.com. 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:28.960 - One of the most powerful antioxidants ever 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.000 is actually Brown's gas. 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.720 Well, hydrogen, and the machine that we have, 00:36:34.720 --> 00:36:37.800 the AquaCare machine, makes Brown's gas, 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:39.840 which is, it's kind of different 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.920 than actual molecular hydrogen, Brown's gas, 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.080 and that's what George's machine makes, 00:36:45.080 --> 00:36:46.880 the one that we promote. 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.040 It's very quiet, and you can bubble in the water 00:36:50.040 --> 00:36:53.080 and then breathe it, and they have a whole little setup 00:36:53.080 --> 00:36:56.600 there which is digital, and depending on your body weight, 00:36:56.600 --> 00:36:58.320 you know exactly how much to put in there. 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.920 You just dial that in, and when you do just the water, 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.640 you can just dial in 100% of the Brown's gas 00:37:04.640 --> 00:37:07.040 going into the water, drink the water, 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:08.000 and then if you're gonna drink it 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.000 and make water at the same time, it's fine 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.760 because you'll still make plenty of hydrogen in the water. 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:20.520 It's just a fascinating, most abundant just gas 00:37:21.200 --> 00:37:25.880 or thing in the universe, hydrogen. 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.880 It's just like, I think, 96% of everything 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:33.360 that's out there, and so we have a great little machine 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.480 that we promote, and if you use promo code 1RADIO, 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.240 you get a 10%, and look upon it as an investment 00:37:39.240 --> 00:37:40.080 in your health. 00:37:40.080 --> 00:37:41.640 They're a couple thousand bucks, 00:37:41.640 --> 00:37:43.920 but this thing has got a lifetime warranty, 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:48.340 lifetime warranty, and also a one-year, 00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:51.260 no questions asked money back if you don't like it. 00:37:51.260 --> 00:37:52.940 Now that's pretty cool. 00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:57.940 Lots of safety features that most of the hydrogen 00:37:57.940 --> 00:37:59.700 Brown's gas machines do not have, 00:37:59.700 --> 00:38:03.440 and that's important 'cause hydrogen, molecular hydrogen, 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:07.620 and making Brown's gas, it's a very energetic substance. 00:38:07.620 --> 00:38:08.620 Let me put it like that. 00:38:08.620 --> 00:38:12.160 I mean, you can do hydrogen cars and hydrogen whatever. 00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:16.700 It's volatile, so you gotta be careful with it, 00:38:16.700 --> 00:38:18.460 but your body likes it. 00:38:18.460 --> 00:38:21.700 It's one of the biggest antioxidants and anti-inflammatory. 00:38:21.700 --> 00:38:24.100 Good things are going in my body with lower inflammation. 00:38:24.100 --> 00:38:25.060 I can feel it. 00:38:25.060 --> 00:38:26.820 I can just feel it. 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:27.640 I don't know why. 00:38:27.640 --> 00:38:30.740 I just feel more comfortable in my body 00:38:30.740 --> 00:38:31.940 after breathing this gas. 00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:34.780 Just, it's a nice thing, and here's more on it 00:38:34.780 --> 00:38:36.180 from George who makes the machine. 00:38:36.180 --> 00:38:38.940 This was previously with George Wiseman 00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:43.000 about his AquaCure machine making hydrogen, gas, 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.660 and water out of the same hose. 00:38:45.660 --> 00:38:46.500 Listen. 00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:51.500 Your body accepts that gas and uses it to heal everything. 00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:54.980 It's like the fountain of youth. 00:38:54.980 --> 00:38:58.060 It's astonishing the amount of ailments. 00:38:58.060 --> 00:38:59.580 In fact, in scientific studies, 00:38:59.580 --> 00:39:02.220 and they have over 1,000 scientific studies now, 00:39:02.220 --> 00:39:04.820 they are showing that it either helps the body heal 00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:07.780 directly or indirectly from virtually every ailment 00:39:07.780 --> 00:39:10.300 that ails any water-based life form, 00:39:10.300 --> 00:39:12.300 but it works just as well on animals and plants 00:39:12.300 --> 00:39:14.500 and lizards and birds and everybody. 00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:17.620 - And you're saying this because this machine 00:39:17.620 --> 00:39:21.540 called the AquaCure split into five different parts. 00:39:21.540 --> 00:39:22.460 - Six. 00:39:22.460 --> 00:39:26.500 - I got hydrogen, oxygen, electro, enhanced water, 00:39:26.500 --> 00:39:29.340 water vapors, monatomic hydrogen, what else? 00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:30.580 - And monatomic oxygen. 00:39:30.580 --> 00:39:32.340 - Oh, the monooxygen. 00:39:32.340 --> 00:39:33.580 And that's what your machine does? 00:39:33.580 --> 00:39:35.020 It splits it? 00:39:35.020 --> 00:39:37.340 - Yes, it makes that mixture inside the machine, 00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:39.820 and all that comes out a single hose, the same hose. 00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:41.000 - Gas? 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.780 - As a gas, in gaseous form, yes. 00:39:42.780 --> 00:39:44.940 - And you breathe it or you put it in water? 00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:48.340 - So if you bubble the browns gas into this water, 00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:50.140 into, let's say, distilled water, 00:39:50.140 --> 00:39:52.380 it will go to a negative ORP, 00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:56.100 and when you drink that, it actually gives your body 00:39:56.100 --> 00:39:58.020 an electrical energy, these electrons. 00:39:58.020 --> 00:40:00.540 Instead of sucking energy from you, it gives it. 00:40:00.540 --> 00:40:03.140 So you can have water that is healthful and not healthful 00:40:03.140 --> 00:40:05.120 just by the energy that's in the water. 00:40:05.120 --> 00:40:05.960 - You wanna get one? 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:06.780 Me too. 00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:08.320 Ours is on the way. 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:09.160 Check this out. 00:40:09.160 --> 00:40:11.460 Lifetime warranty on the machine itself, 00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:14.420 and then a one-year, no questions asked, 00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:18.540 money-back guarantee if you like the machine, 00:40:18.540 --> 00:40:19.700 within a year. 00:40:19.700 --> 00:40:22.300 I mean, have you ever heard of a warranty like that? 00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:23.440 The AquaCure. 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.380 Use promo code 1RADIO, promo code 1RADIO, 00:40:26.380 --> 00:40:28.020 for a 10% discount. 00:40:28.020 --> 00:40:31.660 It's in our store on oneradionetwork.com. 00:40:31.660 --> 00:40:34.580 And keep in mind the idea of dehydration, 00:40:34.580 --> 00:40:36.860 surely the lack of hydrogen. 00:40:36.860 --> 00:40:40.520 Dehydration really helps your body 00:40:40.520 --> 00:40:42.420 to become hydrated. 00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:45.220 Really nice machines. 00:40:45.220 --> 00:40:46.620 Wayne Blakely is with us, 00:40:46.620 --> 00:40:48.700 and he makes the Living Streams products. 00:40:48.700 --> 00:40:50.300 There's two different bifidos. 00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:53.140 Let's talk about the straight product that is bifido, 00:40:53.140 --> 00:40:54.780 and then there's bifido 2. 00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:56.420 What is the bifido used for? 00:40:56.420 --> 00:40:59.120 - The bifido is used as a probiotic nutrient 00:40:59.120 --> 00:41:02.180 which has curcumin in it and turmeric in it, 00:41:02.180 --> 00:41:04.860 which has certain minerals and nutrients in it 00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:08.860 that helps the body, especially absorption of your food. 00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:11.740 Curcumin is the most researched supplement in the world. 00:41:11.740 --> 00:41:13.780 The researchers don't really understand 00:41:13.780 --> 00:41:16.860 how curcumin works in the body. 00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:20.580 And curcumin is very hard to digest in the digestive tract. 00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:23.200 So we pre-digest the curcumin, 00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:26.500 which has, we buy our curcumin from India 00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:29.240 because it has a mineral in it called yttrium. 00:41:29.240 --> 00:41:32.300 And we use the bacteria to break down the yttrium, 00:41:32.300 --> 00:41:34.180 the correct bacteria to break down the yttrium 00:41:34.180 --> 00:41:36.100 so our body can assimilate it, 00:41:36.100 --> 00:41:39.020 so we can absorb our food correctly 00:41:39.020 --> 00:41:40.980 and it stops plaque in the body. 00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:42.260 - Pretty cool stuff, isn't it? 00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:43.340 Weighs on it. 00:41:43.340 --> 00:41:47.100 And the lack of bacteria in the soil in this country 00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:51.420 is the whole issue, why yttrium is in short supply. 00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:54.500 Very unique products, Living Streams. 00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:56.300 He's talking about the bifido, 00:41:56.300 --> 00:42:00.780 and it's in our store on oneradionetwork.com. 00:42:00.780 --> 00:42:01.940 The Ayurveda lady 00:42:04.420 --> 00:42:06.340 that was on the show, 00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:10.340 we're gonna have her back on, Dr. Tittlebaum. 00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:14.660 She was really, really big on moringa too, 00:42:14.660 --> 00:42:18.420 as an incredible tree nutrient, herb, 00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:19.980 whatever you wanna call it. 00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:23.700 And if you wanna get a real natural whey, 00:42:23.700 --> 00:42:27.420 full-fledged whey, whey has a moringa product 00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:28.840 that's in a probiotic. 00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.140 Very easy to absorb, and you get a big bottle of it, 00:42:31.140 --> 00:42:32.980 and you can just, you can drink a lot of it. 00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:37.060 And moringa's pretty amazing, what's going on with moringa. 00:42:37.060 --> 00:42:40.300 So, fun things are all in our store. 00:42:40.300 --> 00:42:49.980 Excuse me, all in our store on One Radio Network. 00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:52.460 Had a cough there. 00:42:52.460 --> 00:42:55.340 If you would like to get more information, 00:42:55.340 --> 00:42:58.500 you can talk to Wayne's protege or helper, 00:42:58.500 --> 00:43:03.500 Marilyn, 360-912-2981. 00:43:03.500 --> 00:43:07.820 360-912-2981. 00:43:07.820 --> 00:43:10.420 She can give you more insights on this or that, 00:43:10.420 --> 00:43:13.100 or what is good for, 00:43:13.100 --> 00:43:15.140 we have some things for perimenopause. 00:43:15.140 --> 00:43:17.900 Wayne's very careful, he doesn't say a lot of stuff, 00:43:17.900 --> 00:43:22.140 because, oh, you know the FDNA, they get all carried away, 00:43:22.140 --> 00:43:25.060 can't make any claims, and I understand. 00:43:25.060 --> 00:43:26.620 But Marilyn can give you some information. 00:43:26.620 --> 00:43:28.620 She doesn't do medical advice, neither do I, 00:43:28.620 --> 00:43:32.580 or nobody on our guest list ever do medical advice. 00:43:32.580 --> 00:43:33.620 It's all up to you. 00:43:33.620 --> 00:43:35.660 But anyway, these probiotics work like 00:43:35.660 --> 00:43:37.380 probiotics are supposed to. 00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:40.060 LivingStreams, OneRadioNetwork.com. 00:43:40.060 --> 00:43:44.300 - We talk about your health, wealth, and well-being 00:43:44.300 --> 00:43:47.380 on OneRadioNetwork.com. 00:43:47.380 --> 00:43:51.140 - Well, it's an honor to have Dr. Ray Peat on our show, 00:43:51.140 --> 00:43:54.700 and he's consented to come on on the third Tuesday, 00:43:54.700 --> 00:43:55.860 and we're here. 00:43:55.860 --> 00:43:58.780 So, Dr. Peat, thanks so much for coming on 00:43:58.780 --> 00:43:59.700 from time to time. 00:43:59.700 --> 00:44:01.340 People like you. 00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:05.060 People like you. 00:44:05.060 --> 00:44:06.980 You're a rock star around here. 00:44:06.980 --> 00:44:07.980 They just like you. 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:14.620 What do you know about vasovagal, 00:44:14.620 --> 00:44:18.580 S-Y-N-C-O-P-E? 00:44:18.580 --> 00:44:21.580 An emailer is talking about the vagus nerve 00:44:21.580 --> 00:44:25.060 gets activated due to stressors, 00:44:25.060 --> 00:44:28.460 the heart rate slows, blood pressure drops, 00:44:28.460 --> 00:44:30.260 blood vessels in the legs can dilate, 00:44:30.260 --> 00:44:32.620 the blood pools in the lower part, 00:44:32.620 --> 00:44:35.700 flowing to the brain, and maybe nausea, 00:44:35.700 --> 00:44:37.220 and things like that. 00:44:37.220 --> 00:44:40.380 And this lady, Mona, wants to know 00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:42.820 that what besides the stressor 00:44:42.820 --> 00:44:46.100 is causing the vagus nerve to react so? 00:44:46.100 --> 00:44:50.340 There has to be more to it than simply being a response 00:44:50.340 --> 00:44:53.100 to being hot, emotional, scared, 00:44:53.100 --> 00:44:55.060 when in a normal life setting. 00:44:55.060 --> 00:45:00.180 - Yeah, low thyroid people tend in that direction. 00:45:00.180 --> 00:45:05.180 And I wrote some newsletters a few years ago on shock, 00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:11.100 and the history of shock goes back a few hundred years, 00:45:11.100 --> 00:45:17.660 but it really became a major aspect of physiology 00:45:18.660 --> 00:45:23.660 just a little over a hundred years ago, 00:45:23.660 --> 00:45:27.940 the beginning of the 20th century, 00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:33.900 when one of the pioneers was George Washington Krile, 00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:40.540 who's a son at the Cleveland Clinic, 00:45:40.540 --> 00:45:44.540 which was founded by G.W. Krile I. 00:45:45.700 --> 00:45:50.700 The son was a pioneer in both thyroid therapy 00:45:50.700 --> 00:45:54.940 and breast cancer treatment. 00:45:54.940 --> 00:45:57.900 He innovated the lumpectomy 00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:01.180 rather than the horrible radical mastectomy, 00:46:01.180 --> 00:46:05.500 and he practically eliminated thyroid surgery, 00:46:05.500 --> 00:46:09.740 went from over a thousand surgeries a year in the clinic 00:46:09.740 --> 00:46:13.820 to just about a dozen, 00:46:13.820 --> 00:46:18.060 by understanding how the thyroid can be treated. 00:46:18.060 --> 00:46:21.420 But his father was the real pioneer 00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:24.060 that led to that understanding of the thyroid. 00:46:24.060 --> 00:46:29.900 And his thyroid work grew out of his surgical experiments 00:46:29.900 --> 00:46:38.460 in which he really explained more than anyone else 00:46:39.340 --> 00:46:44.340 what shock is and how the vagus nerve governs shock. 00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:50.660 And what happens in shock is that signals are sent 00:46:50.660 --> 00:46:54.620 to all of your body cells, 00:46:54.620 --> 00:46:57.620 turning off the ability to use oxygen. 00:46:57.620 --> 00:47:03.900 And the use of oxygen is what thyroid is in control of. 00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:06.980 The more thyroid you have, 00:47:06.980 --> 00:47:09.780 the more oxygen your cells can use. 00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:15.540 Within a broad range, 00:47:15.540 --> 00:47:17.540 that means that your metabolism 00:47:17.540 --> 00:47:21.540 becomes more and more efficient as you use more oxygen. 00:47:21.540 --> 00:47:27.420 So the low thyroid person is wasting their energy. 00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:32.420 But in shock, it's even worse than hypothyroidism. 00:47:34.060 --> 00:47:38.780 It simply turns off the mechanism for burning, 00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:41.840 for using oxygen and burning any fuel. 00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:46.540 And so it imitates death, basically. 00:47:46.540 --> 00:47:52.660 But when a person in shock is cut, 00:47:52.660 --> 00:47:56.200 their blood stays bright red. 00:47:56.200 --> 00:48:01.540 They aren't using the oxygen in their blood 00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:06.540 because the tissue is simply switched off metabolically. 00:48:06.540 --> 00:48:12.140 It's like turning off a thyroid 00:48:12.140 --> 00:48:14.820 in a nervous or electrical way 00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:16.780 rather than a chemical way. 00:48:16.780 --> 00:48:22.620 And the George Washington trial showed 00:48:22.620 --> 00:48:27.540 that stimulating the vagus nerve 00:48:27.540 --> 00:48:31.800 was the basic signal for turning on shock, 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:35.300 whether it was caused by loss of blood 00:48:35.300 --> 00:48:38.160 or pain or fright or whatever. 00:48:38.160 --> 00:48:41.980 The signals through the vagus system 00:48:41.980 --> 00:48:46.860 were able to switch off, basically, 00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:48.880 the life process temporarily. 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:55.140 And that process is easier to trigger 00:48:55.660 --> 00:49:00.380 the lower your thyroid function is. 00:49:00.380 --> 00:49:04.820 You become more of a vagal organism 00:49:04.820 --> 00:49:06.460 when your thyroid is lower. 00:49:06.460 --> 00:49:12.980 But people generally, 00:49:12.980 --> 00:49:17.940 if they're going to keep functioning at all, 00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:22.940 they compensate for that exaggerated activity 00:49:23.100 --> 00:49:25.700 of the vagal nervous system 00:49:25.700 --> 00:49:29.340 by pumping out extra adrenaline. 00:49:29.340 --> 00:49:33.220 Their adrenal glands become overactive 00:49:33.220 --> 00:49:36.780 and they run as much as 40 or 50 times 00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:39.980 the normal amount of adrenaline production, 00:49:39.980 --> 00:49:43.860 compensating for that abnormal activity 00:49:43.860 --> 00:49:46.480 of the vagal opposing system. 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.380 The parasympathetic system is the vagal system 00:49:50.380 --> 00:49:55.300 and the adrenaline system is the sympathetic nervous system. 00:49:55.300 --> 00:49:58.540 And so, surprisingly, 00:49:58.540 --> 00:50:02.380 many people are running with both sides 00:50:02.380 --> 00:50:05.340 of their autonomic nervous system 00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.740 running at an extremely high rate. 00:50:07.740 --> 00:50:12.980 And if something interferes 00:50:12.980 --> 00:50:15.740 with their production of adrenaline 00:50:15.740 --> 00:50:17.660 and sympathetic activity, 00:50:17.660 --> 00:50:21.380 then they drop into the vagal state 00:50:21.380 --> 00:50:26.380 and move toward shock, fainting, for example. 00:50:26.380 --> 00:50:27.740 - My goodness. 00:50:27.740 --> 00:50:29.020 Well, a lot of questions there. 00:50:29.020 --> 00:50:31.820 So, Kyle, is that K-Y-L-E? 00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:33.580 And this work seems, 00:50:33.580 --> 00:50:35.580 it kind of feels like this is long ago. 00:50:35.580 --> 00:50:38.820 - I didn't understand the question. 00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:42.900 - Kyle, this work with GW Kyle, was this long ago? 00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:44.660 - Kyle, C-R-I-L-E. 00:50:44.660 --> 00:50:47.300 - Oh, C-R-I-L-E. 00:50:47.300 --> 00:50:48.140 Oh, Carl, okay. 00:50:48.140 --> 00:50:49.540 - Carl. - Carl, yeah. 00:50:49.540 --> 00:50:51.260 Long time ago? 00:50:51.260 --> 00:50:57.780 - Yeah, the senior trial died, I think, in the 1940s 00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:02.900 and the junior died not long ago in the '90s, I think. 00:51:02.900 --> 00:51:11.940 - And what did he do to lower all these surgeries 00:51:11.940 --> 00:51:14.500 that he went from thousands to a handful? 00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:15.700 What did he do? 00:51:15.700 --> 00:51:19.780 - Oh, supplementing thyroid, basically. 00:51:19.780 --> 00:51:22.140 - Oh, he just gave supplemental thyroid. 00:51:22.140 --> 00:51:26.860 - Yeah, things they were calling thyroid cancer. 00:51:26.860 --> 00:51:30.340 It was just a minor condition that he could turn off 00:51:30.340 --> 00:51:34.420 just by giving them a full replacement dose of thyroid. 00:51:34.420 --> 00:51:35.420 - Really? 00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:38.700 Was he using TSH and all that as a metric? 00:51:38.700 --> 00:51:41.340 - No, not at all. 00:51:41.340 --> 00:51:46.340 TSH measurement came in later, really, 00:51:46.340 --> 00:51:53.260 and he was measuring it enough to realize 00:51:53.260 --> 00:51:58.260 that people developing these symptoms of thyroid cancer, 00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:03.260 nodules and so on, were experiencing the same condition 00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:08.420 that iodine supplementers experience with a very high TSH. 00:52:09.540 --> 00:52:13.980 And so he understood that TSH was driving 00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:17.940 towards thyroiditis and eventually thyroid cancer. 00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:22.420 And so he would give usually three or four grains 00:52:22.420 --> 00:52:27.420 of armor thyroid sufficient to lower the TSH to zero. 00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:33.060 And then these people, without thyroidectomy, 00:52:33.060 --> 00:52:37.520 or maybe just partial removal of the cancerous part, 00:52:38.500 --> 00:52:41.180 would live a normal life. 00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:42.020 - My goodness. 00:52:42.020 --> 00:52:43.700 - Just keeping their TSH down 00:52:43.700 --> 00:52:46.260 so that any surviving cancer cells 00:52:46.260 --> 00:52:49.020 wouldn't be stimulated by the TSH. 00:52:49.020 --> 00:52:49.860 - My goodness. 00:52:49.860 --> 00:52:51.060 Three or four grains. 00:52:51.060 --> 00:52:53.540 Now a grain is 16 milligrams. 00:52:53.540 --> 00:52:55.260 I mean, that's a lot, isn't it? 00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:59.740 - Well, two grains was the average dose 00:52:59.740 --> 00:53:01.500 for just the run of the mill. 00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:02.340 - Was it? 00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.140 - Low thyroid, middle-aged person. 00:53:04.140 --> 00:53:09.140 But sometimes just to have good functioning, 00:53:09.140 --> 00:53:14.980 some people took three or four or even five grains. 00:53:14.980 --> 00:53:19.980 The armor company sold tablets of five grains. 00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:21.180 - Really? 00:53:21.180 --> 00:53:25.060 - And veterinarians found that that was the right dose 00:53:25.060 --> 00:53:28.260 for cocker spaniels. 00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:33.260 And a couple of breeds of dogs 00:53:33.260 --> 00:53:34.780 needed about five grains a day. 00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:39.780 And quite a few people, they sold bottles of, 00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:45.860 I think it was 500 five-grain tablets. 00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:46.700 - Wow. 00:53:46.700 --> 00:53:47.960 - And $10 or so. 00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:54.380 And I've seen a few people who needed more than five grains, 00:53:54.380 --> 00:53:59.540 10 or 15 grains a day to cure their problem, 00:53:59.540 --> 00:54:03.740 and then they would settle in on four or five grains a day 00:54:03.740 --> 00:54:04.780 for maintenance. 00:54:04.780 --> 00:54:06.540 - My goodness, it seems like a very high dose, 00:54:06.540 --> 00:54:09.460 what we hear around, but I guess. 00:54:09.460 --> 00:54:14.460 So how did this Carlisle, how did he judge the dosage 00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:16.940 if he wasn't using the labs? 00:54:16.940 --> 00:54:23.820 - Oh, the basal metabolic rate was still in use 00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:28.500 through the 1940s and into the '50s. 00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:33.180 Then the chemical, the first test was a blood test 00:54:33.180 --> 00:54:37.700 called protein-bound iodine. 00:54:37.700 --> 00:54:40.500 Came in just around the same time 00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:42.900 that Synthroid came on the market. 00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:44.580 - Oh, sure, yeah. 00:54:44.580 --> 00:54:49.580 - And it turned out 20 years later 00:54:49.580 --> 00:54:54.460 that it was an absolute meaningless thing. 00:54:54.460 --> 00:54:58.940 But at the time, I was in junior high at the time, 00:54:58.940 --> 00:55:03.940 and several of my fat friends said they had learned 00:55:03.940 --> 00:55:06.660 that they didn't have a glandular problem 00:55:06.660 --> 00:55:09.540 because the protein-bound iodine showed 00:55:09.540 --> 00:55:12.140 that they had a fully normal amount 00:55:12.140 --> 00:55:14.140 of protein-bound iodine in their blood. 00:55:14.140 --> 00:55:17.380 And so they had discovered that they were just gluttonous. 00:55:17.380 --> 00:55:20.780 - So they brought this med thing out 00:55:20.780 --> 00:55:22.420 right when the Synthroid came out. 00:55:22.420 --> 00:55:24.380 I mean, the test. 00:55:24.380 --> 00:55:25.220 - Yeah, yeah. 00:55:25.220 --> 00:55:26.060 - Yeah. 00:55:26.060 --> 00:55:28.460 - It really was part of a marketing system. 00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:29.300 - Those rascals. 00:55:29.300 --> 00:55:33.700 - And what they did was blame the problem on the patient 00:55:33.700 --> 00:55:38.220 rather than supplementing with Armor Thyroid, 00:55:38.220 --> 00:55:40.700 which was a good, reliable product. 00:55:40.700 --> 00:55:41.620 - My goodness. 00:55:41.620 --> 00:55:44.260 So back to Mona, who brought up this whole vagus. 00:55:44.260 --> 00:55:48.820 So she might have, on both ends, 00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:51.500 working overtime with the sympathetic, 00:55:51.500 --> 00:55:53.900 with the vagus and then the adrenaline, right? 00:55:53.900 --> 00:55:56.220 How would then, how do you lower all that down? 00:55:56.220 --> 00:55:59.740 Is it just looking after Mr. Thyroid? 00:55:59.740 --> 00:56:02.060 - Using your temperature and pulse rate, 00:56:02.060 --> 00:56:05.260 you can come fairly close 00:56:05.260 --> 00:56:08.980 to the old oxygen consumption test, 00:56:08.980 --> 00:56:13.980 which that's still the ideal way to prove hypothyroidism. 00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:17.140 But you can make a very good guess 00:56:17.140 --> 00:56:20.900 by taking your temperature before you get out of bed 00:56:20.900 --> 00:56:23.580 in the morning and checking your pulse rate 00:56:23.580 --> 00:56:25.180 at the same time. 00:56:25.180 --> 00:56:28.500 If you're, lots of the low thyroid people 00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:31.420 are running on high adrenaline, 00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:33.820 which rises during the night, 00:56:33.820 --> 00:56:37.520 and that tends to push up the cortisol. 00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:42.020 The adrenaline sometimes will cause 00:56:42.020 --> 00:56:45.700 90 or 100 beats per minute heart rate 00:56:45.700 --> 00:56:49.420 when you're waking up, sometimes following a nightmare. 00:56:50.260 --> 00:56:55.260 And if the cortisol goes up higher than average, 00:56:55.260 --> 00:56:58.820 it always tends to rise around dawn. 00:56:58.820 --> 00:57:02.820 But the higher your cortisol rises, 00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:05.260 the higher your waking temperature will be. 00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:09.540 The adrenaline speeds your pulse at dawn, 00:57:09.540 --> 00:57:13.340 the cortisol raises the temperature 00:57:13.340 --> 00:57:16.960 and helps push the heart rate back down 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.620 by bringing your blood sugar up. 00:57:20.620 --> 00:57:24.980 So just that one measurement can be ambiguous, 00:57:24.980 --> 00:57:29.980 high adrenaline, high cortisol, or low, both of them. 00:57:29.980 --> 00:57:34.340 But if you then take your temperature and pulse rate 00:57:34.340 --> 00:57:36.940 an hour or two after eating, 00:57:36.940 --> 00:57:41.300 the food will lower your adrenaline 00:57:41.300 --> 00:57:45.620 and the daylight and food will lower your cortisol. 00:57:45.620 --> 00:57:49.460 And very often these people who woke up 00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:54.460 seeming to have a very normal 75 beats per minute pulse rate 00:57:54.460 --> 00:57:58.460 and a 98 degree temperature, 00:57:58.460 --> 00:58:03.460 these people will sometimes drop to a 55 or 60 pulse rate 00:58:03.460 --> 00:58:08.740 and at 96 or 97 degree temperature 00:58:08.740 --> 00:58:10.220 at 11 o'clock in the morning. 00:58:10.220 --> 00:58:12.060 - And what does that tell you if that happens? 00:58:12.060 --> 00:58:13.820 - That they're super low thyroid. 00:58:13.820 --> 00:58:15.420 - Ah, okay. 00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:19.500 So the Broda-Barnes thing wasn't kinda sorta right. 00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:23.460 I mean, if you had a 98, according to Broda-Barnes, 00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:24.380 and you were good, 00:58:24.380 --> 00:58:26.860 but this whole adrenaline and cortisol thing, 00:58:26.860 --> 00:58:29.260 you're saying that maybe not. 00:58:29.260 --> 00:58:31.300 - Yeah. 00:58:31.300 --> 00:58:40.100 In hot, humid summers in Eugene, 00:58:40.100 --> 00:58:43.940 I first started questioning 00:58:43.940 --> 00:58:46.500 Barnes's temperature measurement. 00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:51.140 He worked at Fort Collins, Colorado, 00:58:51.140 --> 00:58:56.140 where it never gets very hot and humid for very long. 00:58:56.140 --> 00:59:01.420 And I saw that people in this hot and humid weather, 00:59:01.420 --> 00:59:06.220 even very hypothyroid people, kept a normal temperature. 00:59:06.220 --> 00:59:10.820 But usually with a normal temperature, 00:59:10.820 --> 00:59:13.740 they would get a slow pulse rate. 00:59:13.740 --> 00:59:16.500 So I started adding the two together, 00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:21.420 but then I saw that a very stressful nighttime 00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:24.820 would make both of the indicators 00:59:24.820 --> 00:59:29.140 sometimes look normal at dawn or waking. 00:59:29.140 --> 00:59:32.940 And then they would go down on a cool 00:59:32.940 --> 00:59:36.340 mid-morning or afternoon. 00:59:36.340 --> 00:59:37.300 - That's fascinating. 00:59:37.300 --> 00:59:40.220 That's a very, very, very interesting.