WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.580 (upbeat music) 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:07.240 Nothing is more expensive than bad information. 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:11.280 Know the source, oneradionetwork.com. 00:00:11.280 --> 00:00:13.000 - Okay, here we are back with part two 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:15.120 of our little show here as we're live. 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:20.120 December 17th, 2019, Patrick Timpone, oneradionetwork.com. 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:23.600 On the third Tuesday of each month, 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:26.000 we're honored to have Dr. Ray Peat, 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:28.280 PhD, University of Oregon. 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:30.520 He's specialization in physiology. 00:00:30.520 --> 00:00:34.800 Started his work on hormones in '68, 1968. 00:00:34.800 --> 00:00:36.960 That's the year I started in radio, Dr. Peat. 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:38.760 We started together, oh. 00:00:38.760 --> 00:00:45.200 And his dissertation in '72 where he was on hormones, 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.360 and he's been working in this field ever since. 00:00:48.360 --> 00:00:50.400 He's taught university level, 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:53.080 and he writes so many different articles. 00:00:53.080 --> 00:00:55.060 His website's very popular, 00:00:55.060 --> 00:00:57.520 and he does a little newsletter we'll tell you about. 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:59.800 And Dr. Ray Peat is up, 00:00:59.800 --> 00:01:03.160 and you're in Washington, right, Doc? 00:01:03.160 --> 00:01:04.000 - Oregon. 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.600 - Oh, you're in Oregon, in Oregon. 00:01:06.600 --> 00:01:08.040 You're near Portlandia? 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.420 - No, Eugene. 00:01:11.420 --> 00:01:15.920 - Eugene, is that more towards the coast, 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:17.400 or are you more eastern? 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.760 - About 60 miles from the coast, 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:21.920 and 100 miles south of Portland. 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:23.560 - Ah, uh-huh. 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:24.720 Do you have nice weather? 00:01:24.720 --> 00:01:28.080 Like, what are your winters like up there? 00:01:28.080 --> 00:01:29.440 - Oh, some snow. 00:01:29.440 --> 00:01:31.920 We've had up to four feet of snow, 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.160 but some winters, no snow at all. 00:01:34.160 --> 00:01:36.080 - Uh-huh, yeah. 00:01:36.080 --> 00:01:38.320 And how are you doing, how's your life? 00:01:38.320 --> 00:01:39.720 - Oh, very good. 00:01:39.720 --> 00:01:41.240 Weather's cold right now. 00:01:41.240 --> 00:01:42.840 - Yeah, uh-huh. 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.600 You do quite a bit of research, ongoing, right? 00:01:45.600 --> 00:01:47.760 And you paint as well. 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:48.600 - Yep. 00:01:48.600 --> 00:01:49.420 - Yeah. 00:01:49.420 --> 00:01:53.800 You doing any particular research right now? 00:01:54.320 --> 00:01:56.480 - Yeah, the last few weeks, 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.400 I've been particularly interested 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.120 in why the lifespan is decreasing. 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.600 Life expectancy is decreasing now in the US, 00:02:06.600 --> 00:02:09.120 and the government is finally admitting it. 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:15.600 That, on top of the rapid increase 00:02:15.600 --> 00:02:19.540 in autoimmune disease, degenerative disease, 00:02:19.540 --> 00:02:23.300 and the cancer rate and mortality 00:02:23.300 --> 00:02:25.160 increasing in younger people, 00:02:25.160 --> 00:02:31.300 I've been looking for explanations for that. 00:02:31.300 --> 00:02:36.020 - So the autoimmune thing, when did that really start? 00:02:36.020 --> 00:02:39.060 Was it about 15, 20, or 15 years ago? 00:02:39.060 --> 00:02:43.820 People used to start talking about the autoimmune-- 00:02:43.820 --> 00:02:47.980 - Yeah, 50 years ago was pretty rare. 00:02:47.980 --> 00:02:48.820 - Yeah. 00:02:49.820 --> 00:02:54.540 Is the basic principle that we've heard over the years 00:02:54.540 --> 00:02:57.780 that there's, let's see if I understand 00:02:57.780 --> 00:02:59.100 what I've heard about it, 00:02:59.100 --> 00:03:02.180 and tell me if this is close, 00:03:02.180 --> 00:03:03.680 where the body gets like an infection, 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.980 a virus, a bacteria, or a fungus, 00:03:05.980 --> 00:03:08.980 and the body is trying to get after that, 00:03:08.980 --> 00:03:13.620 the immune system, and it actually attacks its own tissues? 00:03:13.620 --> 00:03:15.540 Is that the classic-- 00:03:15.540 --> 00:03:18.540 - That's the classic standard story. 00:03:18.540 --> 00:03:20.260 - Is that correct? 00:03:20.260 --> 00:03:21.100 - I don't think so. 00:03:21.100 --> 00:03:22.460 - Oh, good, see, I didn't think so. 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:23.420 (laughing) 00:03:23.420 --> 00:03:28.420 - For example, studies in animals 00:03:28.420 --> 00:03:33.020 trying to duplicate that process, 00:03:33.020 --> 00:03:35.980 they give them a viral infection of the brain 00:03:35.980 --> 00:03:40.940 that increases the antibodies, 00:03:40.940 --> 00:03:44.300 just like in multiple sclerosis 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:48.180 and the other human diseases, 00:03:48.180 --> 00:03:50.420 and they find that if they prevent 00:03:50.420 --> 00:03:53.660 those so-called autoantibodies, 00:03:53.660 --> 00:03:58.660 if they block the cells that produce those autoantibodies, 00:03:58.660 --> 00:04:00.180 the animal dies, 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:06.220 that the autoantibodies are actually there 00:04:06.220 --> 00:04:08.560 repairing tissues, 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:13.260 and I've seen this in people 00:04:13.260 --> 00:04:18.260 with very high autothyroid antibodies. 00:04:18.260 --> 00:04:22.020 That's a pretty common thing now 00:04:22.020 --> 00:04:26.620 to have chronic inflammation of the thyroid gland 00:04:26.620 --> 00:04:28.700 with high antibodies, 00:04:28.700 --> 00:04:33.700 but just very high thyroid-stimulating hormone 00:04:33.700 --> 00:04:38.980 causes inflammation of the gland, 00:04:38.980 --> 00:04:43.740 and the immune system is attempting to clean up 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:46.640 the way it does in the virus infection 00:04:46.640 --> 00:04:48.580 of the brain in animals. 00:04:48.580 --> 00:04:52.820 The immune system needs those antibodies 00:04:52.820 --> 00:04:57.140 as part of a tissue cleanup process, 00:04:57.140 --> 00:04:59.880 and actually, our immune system, 00:04:59.880 --> 00:05:05.700 if you go way back to the Nobel Prizes 00:05:06.820 --> 00:05:11.820 in immunity with Ehrlich and Metchnikoff, 00:05:11.820 --> 00:05:20.340 who shared the Nobel Prize, I think it was 1908 or '10, 00:05:20.340 --> 00:05:27.460 Ehrlich worked for the chemical drug industry 00:05:27.460 --> 00:05:32.620 and created the antibody theory of immunity. 00:05:35.060 --> 00:05:38.060 Metchnikoff was an embryologist, 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:42.220 and he saw the immune system as a process 00:05:42.220 --> 00:05:45.440 of maintaining the structure of the body, 00:05:45.440 --> 00:05:50.620 removing damaged tissues so that the body 00:05:50.620 --> 00:05:55.980 remained entire and healthy, 00:05:55.980 --> 00:06:00.100 and you can see that process happening in the thyroid, 00:06:00.100 --> 00:06:05.100 or if you just injure a cartilage, for example, 00:06:05.100 --> 00:06:11.180 your body will produce autoimmune antibodies, 00:06:11.180 --> 00:06:15.100 but it's a process of removing damaged tissue 00:06:15.100 --> 00:06:17.860 so that the cartilage will be restored. 00:06:17.860 --> 00:06:20.260 - So the body's doing what it's supposed to do. 00:06:20.260 --> 00:06:24.460 This is the body's way of protecting the thyroid 00:06:24.460 --> 00:06:28.280 or cleaning it up after this high TSH level 00:06:28.280 --> 00:06:30.020 causes inflammation? 00:06:30.020 --> 00:06:32.420 - Yeah, preservation and restoration. 00:06:32.420 --> 00:06:34.140 - Preservation, restoration. 00:06:34.140 --> 00:06:36.860 But now, as I understand it, 00:06:36.860 --> 00:06:41.620 they're all doing antibody tests for thyroid, 00:06:41.620 --> 00:06:43.780 and if they see the antibodies, they don't, 00:06:43.780 --> 00:06:49.140 even the natural community, 00:06:49.140 --> 00:06:53.380 they're treating the antibody thyroid issue differently, 00:06:53.380 --> 00:06:56.900 right, if it's autoimmune thyroid, they call it, 00:06:56.900 --> 00:06:58.940 then they're treating it differently, 00:06:58.940 --> 00:07:01.780 but you're saying they're incorrect. 00:07:01.780 --> 00:07:04.020 - There are some really terrible drugs 00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:05.820 that they put people on chronically 00:07:05.820 --> 00:07:09.340 to basically suppress or kill the cells 00:07:09.340 --> 00:07:12.080 that are creating those antibodies. 00:07:12.080 --> 00:07:19.340 Now, for about 50 years, it's been very clear, 00:07:19.340 --> 00:07:21.620 especially with animal research, 00:07:21.620 --> 00:07:25.860 that estrogen is an extremely powerful factor 00:07:25.860 --> 00:07:30.860 in disrupting the immune system, creating inflammation. 00:07:30.860 --> 00:07:34.780 Women have several times the incidence 00:07:34.780 --> 00:07:36.420 of autoimmune diseases, 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:44.060 possibly even 10 times as much thyroid inflammatory disease 00:07:44.060 --> 00:07:48.700 as men, and that's because estrogen 00:07:48.700 --> 00:07:53.700 is suppressing the restorative part of the immune system 00:07:55.340 --> 00:08:00.340 and activating the inflammatory part. 00:08:00.340 --> 00:08:02.940 - So what's going on now, if you go 00:08:02.940 --> 00:08:06.620 to a natural naturopath or anybody, or a natural doc, 00:08:06.620 --> 00:08:08.260 or even a regular conventional doc, 00:08:08.260 --> 00:08:10.620 and they give you the whole thyroid panel, 00:08:10.620 --> 00:08:13.340 lots of them, if they're a little bit more educated, 00:08:13.340 --> 00:08:14.640 they'll wanna do an antibodies 00:08:14.640 --> 00:08:18.540 to see if it's an autoimmune issue, right? 00:08:18.540 --> 00:08:21.260 So you're saying the research really shows 00:08:21.260 --> 00:08:23.380 that that's what the body's supposed to do, 00:08:23.380 --> 00:08:25.660 and you would just leave that alone 00:08:25.660 --> 00:08:28.860 if you were giving medical advice, which you don't do? 00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:33.740 - No, over the last 40 years, I guess, 00:08:33.740 --> 00:08:38.740 I've seen probably 20 or 30 women with that condition, 00:08:38.740 --> 00:08:43.940 probably much, much more than that, 00:08:43.940 --> 00:08:48.940 but if their doctor will give them 00:08:49.060 --> 00:08:53.740 a full replacement dose of thyroid hormone, 00:08:53.740 --> 00:08:58.580 glandular thyroid, over a period of five or six months, 00:08:58.580 --> 00:09:01.100 those antibodies fade away. 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:02.300 - They fade away. 00:09:02.300 --> 00:09:06.500 That would be a nature, or what's the correct term now? 00:09:06.500 --> 00:09:09.420 Is it nature thyroid, or just where it's got everything, 00:09:09.420 --> 00:09:12.180 the T4s, the T3s, and everything? 00:09:12.180 --> 00:09:15.180 - Desiccated thyroid. - Desiccated thyroid. 00:09:15.180 --> 00:09:18.260 - That's a traditional, or thyroid USP, 00:09:18.260 --> 00:09:20.300 was the standard term. 00:09:20.300 --> 00:09:28.540 In just the last few weeks, I've run across two women 00:09:28.540 --> 00:09:30.820 who, during their pregnancy, 00:09:30.820 --> 00:09:34.500 went to the doctor just for a checkup, 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:39.340 and against their preference, 00:09:39.340 --> 00:09:42.100 they were given a vaccination, 00:09:42.100 --> 00:09:46.220 one of the compound multiple vaccines, 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:52.220 and almost immediately, their blood pressure went up, 00:09:52.220 --> 00:09:54.620 their blood sugar went up, 00:09:54.620 --> 00:09:58.180 they were diagnosed as having preeclampsia 00:09:58.180 --> 00:10:00.220 and gestational diabetes, 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:05.980 and both of the first one was sure 00:10:05.980 --> 00:10:08.860 that the vaccination had rather done, 00:10:08.860 --> 00:10:14.780 and so she kept alert, watching what was happening. 00:10:16.300 --> 00:10:20.500 She developed rheumatoid arthritis symptoms, 00:10:20.500 --> 00:10:24.620 went back for thorough exams, 00:10:24.620 --> 00:10:28.260 and found she had the lupus typical antibody, 00:10:28.260 --> 00:10:32.540 so she was diagnosed with SLE lupus, 00:10:32.540 --> 00:10:37.820 and they wanted to put her on the immune system 00:10:37.820 --> 00:10:45.060 killing drugs, but she was, by that time, 00:10:45.060 --> 00:10:47.980 very skeptical about their judgment, 00:10:47.980 --> 00:10:52.820 and so she started taking thyroid and progesterone 00:10:52.820 --> 00:10:57.820 and changing her diet, and the arthritis faded away, 00:10:57.820 --> 00:11:00.660 the lupus antibodies faded away. 00:11:00.660 --> 00:11:06.740 I think in probably any case of autoimmune antibodies, 00:11:06.740 --> 00:11:13.820 if you remove the problem, the sources of inflammation, 00:11:14.740 --> 00:11:17.620 the antibodies after about six or eight months 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:18.780 will fade away. 00:11:18.780 --> 00:11:23.100 - So this autoimmune model, 00:11:23.100 --> 00:11:28.460 it's always creating antibodies 00:11:28.460 --> 00:11:32.420 to try to repair the particular organ, 00:11:32.420 --> 00:11:35.380 whether it be pancreas or stomach or anything 00:11:35.380 --> 00:11:38.660 with H. pylori, and you can see H. pylori antibodies, 00:11:38.660 --> 00:11:40.860 the body's doing what it's supposed to do. 00:11:41.980 --> 00:11:45.180 - Yeah, the antibody is like, 00:11:45.180 --> 00:11:48.180 some people have described it as butter 00:11:48.180 --> 00:11:50.660 on the food you're going to eat, 00:11:50.660 --> 00:11:53.580 it makes it more appetizing for the white blood cells 00:11:53.580 --> 00:11:56.900 to eat whatever the antibody sticks to. 00:11:56.900 --> 00:12:00.180 So sometimes it's a germ, but very often 00:12:00.180 --> 00:12:05.180 it's the broken down tissue, one's own tissue 00:12:05.180 --> 00:12:08.380 that's damaged has to be cleaned up and removed. 00:12:09.460 --> 00:12:12.300 - Is there any case in the literature or the research 00:12:12.300 --> 00:12:16.620 showing where the immune system is actually 00:12:16.620 --> 00:12:20.300 harming the body or attacking the body, 00:12:20.300 --> 00:12:23.100 like we've been told that arthritis is 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:25.780 where the immune system is attacking the joints 00:12:25.780 --> 00:12:27.900 and the knees and stuff? 00:12:27.900 --> 00:12:32.060 - Yeah, there are hundreds and hundreds of papers 00:12:32.060 --> 00:12:36.940 supposedly demonstrating that by experiments, 00:12:36.940 --> 00:12:41.940 but there are also hundreds of examples of those people 00:12:41.940 --> 00:12:46.400 who almost overnight, in a few cases, 00:12:46.400 --> 00:12:50.740 literally overnight recovered from those 00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:53.980 so-called autoimmune diseases. 00:12:53.980 --> 00:12:58.140 - Because the body took care of the infection 00:12:58.140 --> 00:13:00.380 that was the original cause? 00:13:00.380 --> 00:13:04.180 - Or the hormone deficiency that was leading 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:07.940 to the inflammation instead of just 00:13:07.940 --> 00:13:09.700 a quiet cleanup process. 00:13:09.700 --> 00:13:12.220 - Kind of lost you there. 00:13:12.220 --> 00:13:18.540 - If the white blood cells are slightly poisoned 00:13:18.540 --> 00:13:23.900 by a bad diet and your thyroid hormone 00:13:23.900 --> 00:13:28.900 doesn't provide the energy, then there tends to be 00:13:30.820 --> 00:13:34.180 quite a bit of lactic acid in circulation, 00:13:34.180 --> 00:13:37.460 and maybe only 50% above average, 00:13:37.460 --> 00:13:42.460 but that's enough to start the inflammation process. 00:13:42.460 --> 00:13:47.100 And so just by increasing the energy production, 00:13:47.100 --> 00:13:51.100 you lower the lactic acid and reduce 00:13:51.100 --> 00:13:54.980 the basis of the inflammation. 00:13:54.980 --> 00:13:57.860 And with the lactic acid removed, 00:13:59.460 --> 00:14:04.460 then the oxidative metabolism can get going, 00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:09.220 energize the process of cleanup. 00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:12.720 - And what are some of the causes of the high lactic acids? 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:19.540 - Probably the basic general cause is 00:14:19.540 --> 00:14:25.740 anything that shifts you over to having 00:14:25.740 --> 00:14:29.200 free fatty acids circulating in your blood. 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:35.700 Any kind of stress that runs into a limitation 00:14:35.700 --> 00:14:42.340 of energy capacity will break down 00:14:42.340 --> 00:14:45.300 the fatty acids in your tissues, 00:14:45.300 --> 00:14:50.300 put them into your bloodstream as a source of energy 00:14:51.260 --> 00:14:56.260 which can keep the organism running for weeks, 00:14:56.260 --> 00:14:59.100 eating its own tissues. 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:04.100 But when the fatty acids are being circulated, 00:15:04.100 --> 00:15:09.820 they block the ability to oxidize glucose. 00:15:09.820 --> 00:15:13.660 And when you aren't oxidizing glucose, 00:15:13.660 --> 00:15:16.820 you aren't producing as much lactic acid, 00:15:16.820 --> 00:15:21.820 and you aren't producing as much carbon dioxide 00:15:21.820 --> 00:15:23.940 and carbonic acid. 00:15:23.940 --> 00:15:28.740 And that lack of carbonic acid inside the cell 00:15:28.740 --> 00:15:33.620 allows the cell to shift over 00:15:33.620 --> 00:15:35.560 to the production of lactic acid. 00:15:35.560 --> 00:15:41.100 The healthy cell is oxidizing glucose 00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:44.300 which produces a lot more carbon dioxide 00:15:44.300 --> 00:15:46.540 than oxidizing fat does. 00:15:46.540 --> 00:15:51.260 And that higher carbon dioxide suppresses 00:15:51.260 --> 00:15:55.100 the process of glycolysis and making lactic acid. 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:58.260 - That was a little geeky for me, complicated. 00:15:58.260 --> 00:16:03.260 But so in more simple terms of dietary things, 00:16:03.260 --> 00:16:12.460 what do we do unknowingly to increase this lactic acid 00:16:12.460 --> 00:16:16.100 or to improve it with the foods? 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:19.500 - You need all of the trace minerals 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:24.140 and essential vitamins and adequate protein. 00:16:24.140 --> 00:16:29.140 And then ideally you would get all of your energy 00:16:29.140 --> 00:16:33.500 from carbohydrates, sugar or starches, 00:16:33.500 --> 00:16:39.460 and not have to rely on burning fat 00:16:39.460 --> 00:16:42.980 because stress turns on the fat burning. 00:16:44.140 --> 00:16:49.140 And that turns on almost always 00:16:49.140 --> 00:16:53.860 some background lactic acid formation. 00:16:53.860 --> 00:16:55.580 - Oh, there goes the old keto thing. 00:16:55.580 --> 00:16:59.380 I mean, isn't that the whole pitch on ketosis 00:16:59.380 --> 00:17:01.540 where you're burning fat? 00:17:01.540 --> 00:17:05.780 - Yeah, and for example, 00:17:05.780 --> 00:17:12.300 when the brain is given ketones, 00:17:12.300 --> 00:17:15.780 or especially the short or middle 00:17:15.780 --> 00:17:17.740 medium chain triglycerides, 00:17:17.740 --> 00:17:24.740 when you are making an argument 00:17:24.740 --> 00:17:29.740 by doing a particular set of experiments, 00:17:29.740 --> 00:17:35.580 you take a frame of reference 00:17:35.580 --> 00:17:40.580 and you can seem to have made your point 00:17:41.580 --> 00:17:44.100 within a certain context. 00:17:44.100 --> 00:17:49.100 But for example, if you're advocating 00:17:49.100 --> 00:17:55.020 the ketone-based brain energy, 00:17:55.020 --> 00:18:02.060 you shift your argument over to make lactic acid 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:07.660 a virtue rather than a menace. 00:18:07.660 --> 00:18:12.660 And the medium chain triglycerides, for example, 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:17.380 are oxidized by the astrocytes, 00:18:17.380 --> 00:18:20.080 the connective tissue of the brain. 00:18:20.080 --> 00:18:25.100 It causes them to produce a lot of lactic acid. 00:18:25.100 --> 00:18:30.100 And so if you see lactic acid as a virtue for energy, 00:18:30.100 --> 00:18:33.700 then that seems to support the fat diet. 00:18:33.700 --> 00:18:38.100 - Oh, it's kind of with many things on planet Earth, 00:18:38.100 --> 00:18:40.820 whether it is, I don't know, 00:18:40.820 --> 00:18:44.320 just all kinds of things why it's not legal 00:18:44.320 --> 00:18:46.420 to pay taxes or something. 00:18:46.420 --> 00:18:48.220 When you cherry pick information 00:18:48.220 --> 00:18:50.700 and bring out to prove your point, 00:18:50.700 --> 00:18:51.700 you can prove your point, 00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:53.620 but you're not saying looking at the whole thing, 00:18:53.620 --> 00:18:55.940 it's a more reductionist way of looking at it? 00:18:55.940 --> 00:19:00.980 - Yeah, narrowing the frame, 00:19:00.980 --> 00:19:02.780 if you can control the frame, 00:19:02.780 --> 00:19:08.480 the universe of reference of your discussion, 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:12.960 the frame will determine the outcome. 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:17.960 But if you look at a broader picture, for example, 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:22.080 a lot of disagreement currently 00:19:22.080 --> 00:19:24.980 is on the meaning of lactic acid. 00:19:24.980 --> 00:19:29.980 And there is a whole line of publication 00:19:29.980 --> 00:19:33.220 going on saying that lactic acid 00:19:33.220 --> 00:19:35.740 is the greatest stuff in the world. 00:19:35.740 --> 00:19:38.640 It feeds the brain and makes you athletic and so on. 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:44.140 But really, it's the background shift 00:19:44.140 --> 00:19:47.020 towards lactic acid metabolism 00:19:47.020 --> 00:19:51.940 is the essence of stress, inflammation, and degeneration. 00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:56.780 - And so it's really key when you're looking 00:19:56.780 --> 00:19:59.160 at the lactic acid production 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.300 and with the muscle of the heart, for example, too, isn't it? 00:20:02.300 --> 00:20:04.700 - Oh, yeah. - It's a big deal, yeah. 00:20:04.700 --> 00:20:09.700 - Yeah, I think there should be a regular test 00:20:09.700 --> 00:20:12.420 of lactic acid content in the blood. 00:20:12.420 --> 00:20:17.100 You could see oncoming heart disease and cancer 00:20:17.100 --> 00:20:18.300 much earlier. 00:20:18.300 --> 00:20:21.700 - And so the big producers of lactic acid, stress, 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:25.220 too much-- - And fats. 00:20:25.220 --> 00:20:26.540 Too much fat in your diet. 00:20:26.540 --> 00:20:30.040 - Too much fat, even that good old grass-fed 00:20:30.040 --> 00:20:32.000 whatever, animal fat? 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.720 - Yeah, too much fat. - Too much butter, too? 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:35.560 Too much butter? 00:20:35.560 --> 00:20:39.120 - Yeah, you could eat so much butter 00:20:39.120 --> 00:20:42.920 that it can have that effect even though it's good fat. 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:43.880 - Pretty good. 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:47.960 So how is butter different from, say, 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:51.600 oh, I don't know. - Fish oil, for example. 00:20:51.600 --> 00:20:53.080 - Yeah, well, fish oil, yeah. 00:20:53.080 --> 00:20:55.960 - It's the most extreme. 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:00.960 When you eat butter, the highly saturated fats, 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.560 uric acid, for example, 00:21:03.560 --> 00:21:10.800 it has an anti-inflammatory effect in most tissues 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:17.600 and doesn't, it has an antioxidant action 00:21:17.600 --> 00:21:20.360 because it is so stable. 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:26.280 Fish oil and safflower oil, soy oil, 00:21:26.280 --> 00:21:31.920 have so much highly unsaturated fat 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:35.800 that they are spontaneously oxidizing 00:21:35.800 --> 00:21:39.880 even before it reaches your bloodstream. 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:41.760 - Wow. - Fish fat. 00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:44.360 - They oxidize. - Oxidizing. 00:21:44.360 --> 00:21:49.360 And it's the oxidized fat molecules, 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:51.280 in the case of fish oil, 00:21:51.280 --> 00:21:56.280 that will temporarily produce an anti-inflammatory effect 00:21:56.280 --> 00:21:58.820 by poisoning your immune system. 00:21:58.820 --> 00:22:03.880 - What about if you were getting fat from, say, 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.880 I don't know, well-tended pigs or something, 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:09.520 that other kind of saturated fat? 00:22:09.520 --> 00:22:10.720 - Yeah, if the pigs-- - Is that okay? 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.000 If the pigs are all healthy and cool? 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.360 - Yeah, if they were eating-- - Good stuff. 00:22:16.360 --> 00:22:20.040 - Foy and apples, for example, 00:22:20.040 --> 00:22:25.040 their fat would be just like butter. 00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:27.080 - Interesting, we have a farmer's market 00:22:27.080 --> 00:22:27.920 here in Dripping Springs, 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:29.440 and they have these big pictures, 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.240 and these folks have these pigs on a vegetarian diet, 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.280 and they must know something about what you've just said. 00:22:36.280 --> 00:22:43.440 - Yeah, in Mexico, lots of pigs are fed basically a fruit. 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.680 - Yeah. - Very interesting. 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:54.200 But did I hear you say that the energy 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:58.560 from more of the sugars and the carbs are preferable? 00:22:58.560 --> 00:23:03.280 Is it preferable, actually, over meat in general? 00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:06.840 - Well, meat should provide the protein, 00:23:06.840 --> 00:23:10.680 which is essential, and lots of the vitamins and minerals. 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.880 But meat has a very high content of phosphate, 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.920 and almost no calcium in proportion. 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:19.760 - Right. 00:23:19.760 --> 00:23:24.760 - And phosphate imitates the stress condition. 00:23:24.760 --> 00:23:28.480 When you're under stress and break down ATP, 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.880 you liberate phosphate, which activates tissue, 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.880 and is part of the muscle contraction and excitation. 00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:41.240 But if you don't eat enough calcium in proportion, 00:23:42.760 --> 00:23:47.760 you start having an average condition of overexcitation. 00:23:47.760 --> 00:23:52.000 - So you can do too much, let's say, 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.720 say too much meat and not enough dark greens 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.360 with calcium or whatever. 00:23:58.360 --> 00:24:02.800 - Yeah, the cooked greens are the richest source of calcium, 00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:07.800 and so cows eat mostly greens when they can. 00:24:07.800 --> 00:24:11.680 And so the milk is a very good source of magnesium 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.400 and calcium from the greens they eat. 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.920 - People wonder why, like you, you drink milk, 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.700 and other folks are drinking good milk, 00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:24.600 that the calcium doesn't end up in the wrong spot, 00:24:24.600 --> 00:24:26.080 like in the arteries. 00:24:26.080 --> 00:24:31.480 - Yeah, it's the phosphate excess that pushes the calcium 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.240 into your arteries and out of the bones. 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:39.240 And that's very closely related to the problem 00:24:39.320 --> 00:24:43.660 of inflammation, degeneration, and immune failure. 00:24:43.660 --> 00:24:49.000 The phosphate out of proportion 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.420 triggers your parathyroid gland, 00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:57.680 and the parathyroid hormone specializes 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:01.880 in moving calcium out of your bones, 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:06.240 bringing it into the blood to balance the phosphate. 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:10.800 But the parathyroid hormone does that, 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:14.840 mobilizes calcium out of the bone 00:25:14.840 --> 00:25:18.680 by blocking oxidative metabolism, 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.920 creating local lactic acid production, 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:25.520 which breaks down the bone. 00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:30.520 And that happens anywhere in the body 00:25:30.520 --> 00:25:33.240 that is exposed to parathyroid hormone. 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:35.840 So it's one of the emergency hormones, 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:39.240 which is, if it's turned on chronically 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:42.880 by eating a high phosphate intake, 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.880 that becomes a chronic block to your energy production, 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:53.080 shifts you to the generalized lactic acid formation. 00:25:53.080 --> 00:25:58.080 And in your soft tissues, that dominance of lactic acid 00:25:58.080 --> 00:26:04.040 in the presence of phosphate de-energizes the tissue, 00:26:05.520 --> 00:26:08.560 and allows the formation, 00:26:08.560 --> 00:26:11.240 starting right in your mitochondria, 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.280 the calcium phosphate crystals form 00:26:15.280 --> 00:26:18.440 as the mitochondrion dies. 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:23.440 And the lactic acid production 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:28.120 has shifted the pH of the cell 00:26:28.120 --> 00:26:33.120 so that the crystal calcium phosphate is insoluble 00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:38.160 as long as you're producing lactic acid 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.080 under the influence of parathyroid hormone. 00:26:41.080 --> 00:26:47.400 The calcium crystals become insoluble in your soft tissues, 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:53.440 but are broken down, taking the calcium out of your bone. 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:58.240 - And what would be the metric on a blood test 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:02.360 to connect up a high parathyroid hormone 00:27:02.360 --> 00:27:04.760 circulating in the body to cause this issue? 00:27:04.760 --> 00:27:06.880 Would it be a high TSH level? 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:12.920 - Yeah, that and aldosterone is part of it. 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.720 The angiotensin system is a big part of it. 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.320 They all go with parathyroid hormone, 00:27:19.320 --> 00:27:21.400 but the common blood test, 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:27.000 the most often identified feature 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.640 is a low vitamin D content in the blood, 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:35.640 because vitamin D helps to shift the ratio 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:41.280 in your body towards calcium, away from phosphate. 00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:46.280 And the vitamin D or a high calcium intake 00:27:46.280 --> 00:27:48.720 turns off the parathyroid hormone. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.480 - Which is good, right? 00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:51.880 Which is good to turn, yeah. 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:56.880 - And so eating lots of calcium surprises a lot of people, 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:01.440 will prevent calcification of the soft tissues. 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.640 - It's crazy, yeah. 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.680 So the vitamin D, is it the same as taking 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.400 a vitamin D supplement or being out in the sun? 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.120 - Better to be in the sun. 00:28:10.120 --> 00:28:10.960 - The sun? 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:15.280 - And eventually when your tissues 00:28:15.280 --> 00:28:19.080 have assimilated the calcium and vitamin D, 00:28:19.080 --> 00:28:22.160 you actually become resistant to the sun, 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:27.160 because it's the de-energized tissues 00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:33.680 liberating fatty acids and such that make you sunburn 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.080 and age your skin in the sun. 00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:40.160 In rabbit experiments many years ago, 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:44.800 they fed one batch of rabbits corn oil, 00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:48.680 the other some more saturated fat, 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.480 and they shaved them and exposed them to sunlight. 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.000 The rabbits that ate the good diet 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:01.000 didn't get wrinkly skin or sunburn. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:06.000 The ones on the corn oil diet got prematurely aged skin. 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.180 - Very interesting. 00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:10.360 Dr. Ray Peat is with us, we have lots of emails 00:29:10.360 --> 00:29:13.780 we're gonna get to, patrick@oneradionetwork.com. 00:29:13.780 --> 00:29:16.560 I got an email from somebody 00:29:16.560 --> 00:29:18.560 and they were trying to make the argument 00:29:18.560 --> 00:29:23.000 that sugar, that you don't seem to be too concerned about, 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.760 I mean, let's see how they're saying this, 00:29:26.760 --> 00:29:30.540 it's a long email, I just tried to condense it a bit 00:29:30.540 --> 00:29:32.880 just to put up their argument forward 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.880 and see what you think, where high, 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.640 let's see, with sugar the HGH level goes down 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.400 so that ages the body, the insulin level goes up 00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:47.680 with sugar so that lowers HGH, the cortisol goes up 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.680 which causes aging, sugar raises insulin too much, 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:57.640 the glycation, so making the argument 00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.240 that insulin in the system 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:06.240 is causing aging in the body. 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.600 - Well, lowering human growth hormone 00:30:10.600 --> 00:30:15.600 is one of the great advantages of carbohydrate, 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:17.880 sugar or starch. 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.280 - That's good? 00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:22.480 - Yeah, because the growth hormone 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.640 is one of the stress-related hormones, 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.680 it rises when your blood sugar is low 00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.720 and liberates free fatty acids 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:38.060 tending towards diabetes. 00:30:38.060 --> 00:30:45.360 If you give an excess of growth hormone 00:30:45.360 --> 00:30:50.360 it imitates most of the degenerative features of diabetes. 00:30:50.360 --> 00:30:52.960 - So-- 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:58.800 - And animals that spontaneously lack the growth hormone 00:30:58.800 --> 00:31:00.920 live about twice as long as ones 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:02.960 with the normal growth hormone. 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:07.960 - So high HGH levels are not pro-youthing at all, 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.320 they're just the opposite. 00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:12.480 - Pro-aging, pro-diabetes. 00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.560 - Wow, man, how can-- 00:31:15.560 --> 00:31:21.840 - Experimenters have removed animals' pituitary glands 00:31:21.840 --> 00:31:26.840 and replaced the, I think they gave cortisol 00:31:26.840 --> 00:31:31.200 in moderation and thyroid hormone, 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.160 but didn't replace growth hormone 00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:40.160 or luteinizing hormone or ACTH, supposedly essential. 00:31:42.120 --> 00:31:47.120 And the animals lived twice as long or more, 00:31:47.120 --> 00:31:50.640 just like the ones who, by mutation, 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.520 naturally lack the growth hormone. 00:31:53.520 --> 00:31:57.760 - This classic meme called, what is it, 00:31:57.760 --> 00:32:00.880 metabolic syndrome, where if you eat too many carbs 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.600 and insulin levels and then that can cause inflammation 00:32:04.600 --> 00:32:06.440 in the arteries. 00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.400 - Yeah, that's basically caused by eating too much fat. 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:11.880 Not enough-- - Eating too much fat. 00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.400 - Not enough carbohydrate. 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.360 - Not enough, so the metabolic syndrome model 00:32:17.360 --> 00:32:19.800 is incorrect in your opinion, in the research. 00:32:19.800 --> 00:32:21.600 - You can create it very quickly 00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:25.880 by especially polyunsaturated fat. 00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:27.240 - Yeah, the PUFAs. 00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:28.480 - Yeah. 00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.040 - But when you say eating too much fat, 00:32:30.040 --> 00:32:32.760 even all the good fats or just the bad fats, 00:32:32.760 --> 00:32:35.680 just the fish oils and those kind of things? 00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.880 - Butter and coconut oil, for example, 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.680 have about 3% of the bad fats, 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:42.640 the PUFA. 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:48.120 And so even though the stearic and palmitic acids 00:32:48.120 --> 00:32:52.760 are, in some way, they can be protective, 00:32:52.760 --> 00:32:56.920 but chronically, you're going to accumulate 00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:01.920 and store these PUFA because you preferentially 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.360 oxidize the saturated fats. 00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:09.320 They're safer, don't destroy the mitochondria 00:33:09.320 --> 00:33:10.680 as quickly. 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:15.680 So you store and build these PUFA into your tissues. 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.480 If you look at a newborn calf or baby, 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:26.480 the brain of either is almost perfectly free 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.840 of polyunsaturated fats. 00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:33.900 But in the human, very quickly, 00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:39.760 by the time they're 10 or 12 years old, 00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:44.760 the brain is already showing high accumulation of PUFA. 00:33:44.760 --> 00:33:50.880 And the metabolism, meanwhile, is slowing drastically. 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:55.880 And after the age of 12, up until about 20, 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.440 when the growth slows down or stops, 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:05.320 the tissues are loading up more and more with PUFA. 00:34:06.280 --> 00:34:11.280 And after the age of 20, when there's no dilution by growth, 00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:17.200 the concentration of PUFA increases steadily 00:34:17.200 --> 00:34:22.200 for the rest of your life because they are preferentially 00:34:22.200 --> 00:34:24.320 stored and built into your tissues, 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.320 including your brain tissue, rather than being oxidized. 00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:34.440 And they tie up the cholesterol, 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.080 which is synthesized in the brain 00:34:37.080 --> 00:34:39.800 as part of a normal brain physiology. 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.800 But the PUFA bound to the cholesterol makes it insoluble. 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:50.160 And so it's like ashes or clickers building up 00:34:50.160 --> 00:34:52.760 in your brain throughout the lifespan, 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:56.760 primarily because of the accumulation 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.520 of unmetabolized PUFA. 00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:02.240 - And what are some of the more popular 00:35:02.240 --> 00:35:06.960 and prolific PUFAs out there that we would know? 00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.400 - Fish oil. - Fish oil. 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.720 - Safflower and cottonseed and-- 00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:16.760 - Corn oil, soy oil, that kind of stuff. 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.200 - All of the things which make good paint and varnish. 00:35:20.200 --> 00:35:22.000 - Paint and varnish, yeah. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:27.000 So when you say bad fats, you're really referring to PUFAs. 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.280 - Yeah. - Yeah, uh-huh. 00:35:31.240 --> 00:35:32.080 - Hmm. 00:35:32.080 --> 00:35:35.800 Oh, man. 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.320 So here's one for you. 00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:45.560 Quite interested in Ray Peat's consumption of milk. 00:35:45.560 --> 00:35:49.240 And it seems, I've been trying, it says, 00:35:49.240 --> 00:35:52.560 "Dolly," she's in Seattle up near you, 00:35:52.560 --> 00:35:55.760 "I just can't seem to drink even raw grass-fed milk 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.080 "and not get constipated. 00:35:59.080 --> 00:36:02.520 "Does that mean that I just don't need this 00:36:02.520 --> 00:36:06.080 "or could something else be going on?" 00:36:06.080 --> 00:36:11.760 - What the cow eats shows up in the milk. 00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.760 A mother who is breastfeeding often will eat peanuts 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:21.280 or tomatoes or something and find that the baby 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.960 gets diarrhea and rashes. 00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:25.320 It's the same with the cows. 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.320 If the cow is fed something, could be weeds in the pasture, 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.000 something that you're sensitive to, 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.120 then it will cause inflammation 00:36:37.120 --> 00:36:39.200 just like the baby that gets diarrhea. 00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:44.560 - Wow, so how, man, so you would, how would you do that? 00:36:44.560 --> 00:36:46.360 Would you just have to try to find a source 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.560 that doesn't make you constipated? 00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:52.520 - Yeah, I've known people who tried 00:36:52.520 --> 00:36:54.960 five or six different brands. 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.000 Sometimes they will settle on something 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.320 which isn't really very tasty, 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.640 ultra-pasteurized milk, basically cooked until it's sterile. 00:37:07.640 --> 00:37:10.160 (both laughing) 00:37:10.160 --> 00:37:11.520 - Just they cook the life out of it, 00:37:11.520 --> 00:37:15.120 but do you still get the same, similar benefits, though? 00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:18.360 - Yeah, lots of people find that they can tolerate that 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:23.120 without constipation or diarrhea or asthma symptoms. 00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:25.320 - So even, so when they say grass-fed cows 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.320 and say you rely on the source, 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:29.240 you don't really know where they've been. 00:37:29.240 --> 00:37:31.000 I mean, they could be eating something, 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.040 a patch of something that could make you constipated. 00:37:34.040 --> 00:37:38.500 - There is one famous organic milk source. 00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:42.880 I've heard half a dozen other people had the same reaction. 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.240 I tried it several times and got sick each time. 00:37:46.240 --> 00:37:49.160 Several people have told me the same experience 00:37:49.160 --> 00:37:51.760 with that organic company. 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:56.760 But I've tried three or four other organic milks. 00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.960 One of them tasted especially awful. 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.960 And I looked up where their farm was, organic certified, 00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:11.500 but it was downwind from a very stinky, horrible factory. 00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:12.720 - Oh, good. 00:38:12.720 --> 00:38:15.120 - And the air the cows were breathing, 00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:18.400 possibly something was settling on the grass 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:23.120 that they didn't detect in their organic certification. 00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:27.320 But I think probably just cows breathing that stinky air 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.560 were contaminating the milk. 00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:30.500 - My goodness. 00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:35.720 It's easy to see then how so many people 00:38:35.720 --> 00:38:39.000 have different experiences with milk. 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.560 - Yeah, I think the good taste of the milk 00:38:41.560 --> 00:38:44.660 should be the most reliable guide. 00:38:46.040 --> 00:38:51.040 The one I use most often is Safeway's Lucerne milk. 00:38:51.040 --> 00:38:56.640 - Here's an email for you. 00:38:56.640 --> 00:39:03.680 Considering that one was following Dr. Peat's information 00:39:03.680 --> 00:39:06.440 in living a healthy as possible, 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.120 according to some of his research and information, 00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:11.480 how long does he think one is expected 00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:14.100 to live a healthy life? 00:39:14.100 --> 00:39:16.600 Also, how much damage can be undone 00:39:16.600 --> 00:39:19.640 if living unhealthy for say several decades? 00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:22.560 Is there damage that is irreversible, 00:39:22.560 --> 00:39:25.680 such as if one starts late in life 00:39:25.680 --> 00:39:29.240 with decades of unhealthy living? 00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:31.160 Does this affect their lifespan 00:39:31.160 --> 00:39:33.840 if they begin living more healthy? 00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.520 That's a great question. 00:39:35.520 --> 00:39:40.520 - Yeah, just taking the PUFA into account, 00:39:40.600 --> 00:39:43.860 your blood vessels and your brain, for example, 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:48.380 deteriorate in proportion to the amount 00:39:48.380 --> 00:39:53.380 of the polyunsaturated esters of cholesterol. 00:39:53.380 --> 00:40:00.700 Those become hard to excrete and build up 00:40:00.700 --> 00:40:04.600 and inactivate the cells. 00:40:04.600 --> 00:40:09.600 But I've looked for things that can shift the balance 00:40:10.540 --> 00:40:15.540 towards de-esterification to help the system 00:40:15.540 --> 00:40:20.780 to break down and liberate the free cholesterol 00:40:20.780 --> 00:40:23.500 from the polyunsaturated fat. 00:40:23.500 --> 00:40:27.720 And estrogen makes the balance worse 00:40:27.720 --> 00:40:31.540 and progesterone tends to help the balance. 00:40:31.540 --> 00:40:36.540 And I don't know of any prolonged experiments 00:40:36.620 --> 00:40:41.620 in which they've tried to reverse an animal's aged brain 00:40:41.620 --> 00:40:48.100 by giving them a high balance of progesterone. 00:40:48.100 --> 00:40:53.240 But you can see improvement in many of the tissues, 00:40:53.240 --> 00:40:58.660 possibly because of the anti-inflammatory effects 00:40:58.660 --> 00:41:00.140 of the progesterone. 00:41:00.140 --> 00:41:05.140 But I think prolonged dominance of progesterone 00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:10.720 tends to reverse those brain and blood vessel changes. 00:41:10.720 --> 00:41:16.540 - So, but to your points about the body repairing, 00:41:16.540 --> 00:41:22.580 over time the body will repair bad activity? 00:41:22.580 --> 00:41:25.660 - Yeah, that's part of the function of the immune system. 00:41:25.660 --> 00:41:26.860 - That's what it does. 00:41:26.860 --> 00:41:31.260 - Is to break down the damaged tissue 00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:33.620 and let new cells form. 00:41:34.460 --> 00:41:38.300 - Do you have any theories, or if you had to pick a number, 00:41:38.300 --> 00:41:39.540 if you were on a game show, 00:41:39.540 --> 00:41:44.060 about what lifespan humans these days, 00:41:44.060 --> 00:41:47.200 I know you're studying now how the lifespan is going down, 00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:50.480 how long we should be able to hang around and be healthy? 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:57.100 - The official view, since the authorities themselves 00:41:57.100 --> 00:42:02.820 aren't likely to live more than 70 or 80 years, 00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:07.340 they won't accept evidence of anyone outliving them, 00:42:07.340 --> 00:42:12.040 basically, so since the French woman, 00:42:12.040 --> 00:42:19.700 I forget her, Jeanette, lived to be 122, 00:42:19.700 --> 00:42:24.820 and she was on TV reminiscing about meeting Vincent Van Gogh, 00:42:24.820 --> 00:42:30.820 people now accept 122 as the maximum. 00:42:30.820 --> 00:42:35.820 But over my lifetime, I've seen examples, 00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:42.140 like when I was in Florida, a local newspaper 00:42:42.140 --> 00:42:48.140 reported on a man who had been picking oranges 00:42:48.140 --> 00:42:53.140 since he was a middle-aged man. 00:42:53.140 --> 00:42:57.700 He went on Social Security in the 1930s, 00:42:57.700 --> 00:43:02.060 and so according to the documentation, 00:43:02.060 --> 00:43:04.740 at that time he was 135, 00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:08.140 but the story just didn't get 00:43:08.140 --> 00:43:11.740 under the general wire services. 00:43:11.740 --> 00:43:14.860 And when I was in high school, 00:43:14.860 --> 00:43:19.860 a lot of newspapers reported a little tiny guy from Peru, 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:26.060 who, according to the best documentation, 00:43:26.060 --> 00:43:29.220 church records were very well kept. 00:43:29.220 --> 00:43:33.020 He was 184 when he came to the United States. 00:43:33.020 --> 00:43:37.220 And in England in the 1800s, 00:43:37.220 --> 00:43:39.620 there was Old Parr, who, 00:43:39.620 --> 00:43:45.420 just a regular old guy living in the country, 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:50.420 but he had remarried when he was around 100 00:43:50.420 --> 00:43:55.060 and outlived, I guess, two or three wives. 00:43:55.060 --> 00:43:58.420 But his documentation showed him to be, 00:43:58.420 --> 00:44:00.300 I think it was 152. 00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:04.900 He was taken to visit the king, 00:44:04.900 --> 00:44:07.380 had some fine dining, 00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:09.780 which he wasn't accustomed to, and died. 00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:14.460 And so they had the chance to autopsy him. 00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:19.460 And the best physician in England at the time 00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:22.060 did a thorough autopsy 00:44:22.060 --> 00:44:24.980 and couldn't find any cause of death, 00:44:24.980 --> 00:44:27.980 nothing wrong with any of his tissues. 00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:29.420 - My goodness. 00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:33.500 If you just hypothetically had to move to an island 00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:36.980 and you could only take three or four foods with you 00:44:36.980 --> 00:44:38.860 'cause you had nothing on this island, 00:44:38.860 --> 00:44:41.860 this is just a fantasy movie that is not gonna happen, 00:44:41.860 --> 00:44:43.900 but just for fun, I wanted to ask you, 00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:45.420 what foods would you take with you 00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:47.220 if you only, say, take three foods? 00:44:47.220 --> 00:44:48.940 Dr. Peat, you can only have three foods. 00:44:48.940 --> 00:44:50.540 What would you take? 00:44:50.540 --> 00:44:52.860 - Cheese, tortillas, and oranges. 00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:53.980 (laughing) 00:44:53.980 --> 00:44:55.260 - I like it, it's a good, 00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:58.740 cheese, turkeys, and oranges, really. 00:44:58.740 --> 00:45:02.040 - Yeah, yeah, cheese tacos and orange juice. 00:45:02.040 --> 00:45:06.060 - Turkeys are fairly neutral food for some reason 00:45:06.060 --> 00:45:09.060 that people tend to do fairly well on, 00:45:09.060 --> 00:45:11.500 and we don't eat all that much, do we, turkey? 00:45:11.500 --> 00:45:14.620 - Which, which is? - Turkey, turkey. 00:45:14.620 --> 00:45:15.460 - Turkey? - Yeah. 00:45:15.460 --> 00:45:21.460 - Like chicken, they tend to feed them lots of grains, 00:45:21.460 --> 00:45:24.660 and so their fat is very unsaturated. 00:45:24.660 --> 00:45:30.940 So, I think if you eat the leanest parts, 00:45:30.940 --> 00:45:34.980 like the breast meat, that's pretty good food. 00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:37.380 - But when you say unsaturated, 00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:38.820 saturated's the best, right? 00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:41.460 'Cause that's more stable, right, okay. 00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:42.620 Yeah, yeah. 00:45:42.620 --> 00:45:44.900 So, I don't even know what turkeys eat out in the wild. 00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:46.860 We have turkeys out here where I live, 00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:48.340 who live in the-- - Well, if they're wild-- 00:45:48.340 --> 00:45:50.540 - What do they eat? - If they're wild turkeys, 00:45:50.540 --> 00:45:53.220 they're probably eating lots of bugs and worms. 00:45:53.220 --> 00:45:55.140 - That's what-- - So, it would be better. 00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:56.380 - Same way with the chickens, right? 00:45:56.380 --> 00:45:58.580 If you can get some real chickens 00:45:58.580 --> 00:46:00.220 that are hanging out all day, 00:46:00.220 --> 00:46:03.540 that's where the best eggs, the best eggs are. 00:46:03.540 --> 00:46:07.620 - Yeah, I had a friend who, every day, 00:46:07.620 --> 00:46:12.620 chopped up the leavings, leftovers from the kitchen, 00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:18.220 lots of tortillas, and chopped up vegetables and such, 00:46:18.220 --> 00:46:20.980 and the eggs were very good. 00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:25.980 - Yeah, Cynthia wants to know if Dr. Peat ever eats bread. 00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:28.740 Have you ever been married? 00:46:28.740 --> 00:46:30.340 Do you have any children? 00:46:30.340 --> 00:46:32.420 If so, do they follow your work? 00:46:32.420 --> 00:46:34.160 So, you don't have to answer that second part 00:46:34.160 --> 00:46:35.580 if you don't want to. 00:46:35.580 --> 00:46:37.900 For the first one, do you eat bread at all? 00:46:37.900 --> 00:46:39.220 - No to all of them. 00:46:39.220 --> 00:46:42.100 - No to all of them, just no to all of them. 00:46:42.100 --> 00:46:43.700 Why not bread? 00:46:44.580 --> 00:46:48.340 - Well, I, 45 years ago, 00:46:48.340 --> 00:46:51.420 liked to make bread. 00:46:51.420 --> 00:46:52.260 - Yeah. 00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:54.180 - I would soak it, 00:46:54.180 --> 00:47:00.260 about 12 hours, keeping the flour wet 00:47:00.260 --> 00:47:02.980 so that the enzymes would break it down. 00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:05.580 It doesn't have to be literally sourdough, 00:47:05.580 --> 00:47:10.580 but the long soaking period increases the protein 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.080 and decreases, or practically eliminates the gluten. 00:47:15.080 --> 00:47:20.080 And I found that that was very digestible, very tasty. 00:47:20.080 --> 00:47:26.160 I could eat a loaf of bread at bedtime and sleep very well. 00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:31.320 Or a slice of regular bread would disturb my sleep. 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:32.640 - 'Cause of the gluten? 00:47:32.640 --> 00:47:33.840 'Cause of the gluten, do you think? 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:34.800 - I think so. 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.920 - Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.640 I don't know if I've ever asked you, 00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:43.080 what do you, we probably have and I just don't recall, 00:47:43.080 --> 00:47:45.840 but what do you make of all this gluten sensitivity? 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:50.840 And you have whole aisles now dedicated to gluten-free this 00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.240 and gluten-free that at the store. 00:47:53.240 --> 00:47:57.240 Does the literature show exactly why this is going on? 00:47:57.240 --> 00:47:58.560 Research, do we know? 00:47:58.560 --> 00:48:04.520 - Yeah, gluten has a string of amino acids 00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:10.600 with the same pattern that estrogen activates 00:48:10.600 --> 00:48:14.440 in the intestine. 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:19.440 And like estrogen, it can activate inflammation 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:26.200 just by that pattern that the immune system recognizes, 00:48:26.200 --> 00:48:28.640 sort of a signal of stress. 00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:30.100 - Gluten can do that. 00:48:30.100 --> 00:48:35.000 But why have people eaten bread through history? 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:35.840 I mean, bread-- 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.520 - Oh, through history, they would do it 00:48:38.520 --> 00:48:42.160 in the traditional way of letting it soak 00:48:42.160 --> 00:48:45.640 hours and hours. 00:48:45.640 --> 00:48:50.640 Or in much of Asia and the Western Hemisphere, 00:48:50.640 --> 00:48:55.960 they used ashes. 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.960 They would add ashes to their mush, to the dough. 00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:07.240 And the ash alkali activates chemical processes 00:49:07.240 --> 00:49:16.120 that actually increase the niacin value 00:49:16.120 --> 00:49:18.800 but decrease the tryptophan, 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:24.680 making it chemically much more nutritious 00:49:24.680 --> 00:49:28.240 and safe, non-inflammatory food. 00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:31.840 - So when we compare things that happened long ago 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:33.320 of old diets and all that, 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:35.080 we have to take into consideration 00:49:35.080 --> 00:49:37.160 exactly what they were doing to the food, 00:49:37.160 --> 00:49:39.160 like I think the ashes and the corn 00:49:39.160 --> 00:49:41.960 and the tortillas in Mexico you talked about. 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:43.880 - Yeah. - Yeah, same idea. 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:49.140 - But you can do it with wheat or any grain. 00:49:49.140 --> 00:49:53.600 - I was interested in the link that Dr. Peat made 00:49:53.600 --> 00:49:58.600 between hypoglycemia and lactic acid from a previous show. 00:49:58.600 --> 00:50:01.240 I've had some issues with hypoglycemia 00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:02.800 and relieved with diet changes, 00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:07.640 but now I've been diagnosed with HCM and AFib 00:50:07.640 --> 00:50:10.320 that are exacerbated by lactic and buildup. 00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:12.640 Is there a link between hypoglycemia 00:50:12.640 --> 00:50:15.840 and cardiovascular disease? 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:22.840 - Yeah, when your oxidative apparatus, 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.520 when the mitochondria are damaged, 00:50:25.520 --> 00:50:29.280 usually by fat, but other toxins can do it, 00:50:30.600 --> 00:50:35.600 you tend to produce lactic acid instead of carbon dioxide, 00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:39.960 and that is many times less efficient 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.520 than oxidizing the sugar. 00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:48.280 And so you're producing lactic acid 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:51.920 and consuming sugar at a high rate, 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:56.400 but not getting the energetic benefit from it. 00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.920 And to get the maximum energy, 00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.800 you use sugar at an extremely high rate 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:08.940 and just have trouble keeping your blood sugar steady. 00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:14.320 - Okay, Dr. Ray Peat, stay right there, sir, 00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:15.160 please, if you will. 00:51:15.160 --> 00:51:17.880 We're gonna take a little break here. 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.640 These guys are on sale right now, 50% off, 00:51:20.640 --> 00:51:22.600 I think, for a few more days, 00:51:22.600 --> 00:51:26.120 all the Living Streams, 50, hello, 50%. 00:51:26.120 --> 00:51:29.120 Dr. Richard Ulrey, authority on minerals, 00:51:29.120 --> 00:51:33.000 talks about gut bacteria, making the vitamins, 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.600 and absorbing the minerals, how it all works. 00:51:35.600 --> 00:51:38.640 - We need vitamins from our gut bacteria 00:51:38.640 --> 00:51:40.440 so we can absorb minerals, 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:43.920 and then minerals provide a resonant frequency. 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.520 And those minerals carry these frequencies into the body, 00:51:47.520 --> 00:51:50.200 and multiple minerals will give you a frequency 00:51:50.200 --> 00:51:52.600 that allows all of our proteins 00:51:52.600 --> 00:51:55.320 to have individual distinct frequencies, 00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.240 giving that three-dimensional structure. 00:51:57.240 --> 00:51:59.800 This is where Wayne's products, Living Stream, 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.080 and that's the only primary products I carry. 00:52:03.080 --> 00:52:04.720 When you do a stool test 00:52:04.720 --> 00:52:07.760 and it says you don't have any bifalbacteria, 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:09.560 well, if you don't have any bifalbacteria, 00:52:09.560 --> 00:52:12.200 you're not gonna absorb certain minerals. 00:52:12.200 --> 00:52:14.320 If you don't have any lactobacillus, 00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.520 you're not going to absorb certain minerals. 00:52:16.520 --> 00:52:18.460 - 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Yeah, it's very, very magical. 00:55:04.520 --> 00:55:07.840 So like a group of scientists in France 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.920 discovered that when you put pearl next to the bones 00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:15.120 or skins or other connective tissues, 00:55:15.120 --> 00:55:17.600 and they find it stimulates new growth 00:55:17.600 --> 00:55:20.440 of the bones and skins and connective tissues, 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:25.120 and also to make existing bones and the skins 00:55:25.120 --> 00:55:27.160 more healthy and stronger. 00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:30.280 So brush your teeth with the pearl, 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:34.600 then your teeth will make your existing teeth stronger, 00:55:34.600 --> 00:55:39.600 and also it will filling up teeth with the pearlseum, 00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.040 and the pearl powder will stimulate the new bone growth 00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:46.360 and also make the existing teeth very strong. 00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:47.560 - It's really a great product. 00:55:47.560 --> 00:55:48.500 You'll love it. 00:55:48.500 --> 00:55:50.320 Take it internally or on your teeth, 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:51.520 and you can click an order. 00:55:51.520 --> 00:55:53.800 See the ad right there, Pearlseum, 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.160 in a nice green container. 00:55:55.160 --> 00:55:58.760 Pearlseum on oneradionetwork.com. 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:01.920 We're talking with Dr., yeah, and excuse me, 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:06.200 15% off right now, promo code OneRadio for Pearlseum. 00:56:06.200 --> 00:56:08.080 It's just real pearl. 00:56:08.080 --> 00:56:10.880 I think it's calcium carbonate if you break it down. 00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:11.960 Kind of think so. 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.440 Real pearl that they break down 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:16.880 without messing up the cellular matrix. 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:21.880 So it's gonna go where it needs to go, calcium, 00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:25.160 and also a lot of other herbs, proteins, 00:56:25.160 --> 00:56:26.880 and other minerals in this product. 00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:28.840 So it's a good one. 00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:33.440 Dr. Ray Peat is with us on the third Tuesday of the month, 00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:34.760 and we thank you for coming on, 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:36.640 and people really like your work. 00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:39.520 raypeat.com, you can look at all of his articles, 00:56:39.520 --> 00:56:43.200 and also he has a great newsletter. 00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:45.960 You can sign up, and I think it's every other month, 00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.120 and we always put the link on the show page. 00:56:48.120 --> 00:56:49.760 You can just kind of click an order 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.680 if you would like to get the newsletter from Dr. Ray Peat, 00:56:53.680 --> 00:56:55.640 and that's often fun. 00:56:55.640 --> 00:56:57.440 Doc, here's an interesting question. 00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.800 Athletes often have low pulses 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.860 and suboptimal thyroid function. 00:57:02.860 --> 00:57:04.280 I was a recreational athlete 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.960 but did a run, a full marathon in my youth. 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.280 Pulse was always around 60, 00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:13.000 even though my body temperature at dawn was like 97.6, 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.320 and rises to 98 during the day. 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.120 I breathe about five to six times per minute. 00:57:18.120 --> 00:57:21.360 So I'm wondering if despite adequate temperature, 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.200 the pulse could be related 00:57:23.200 --> 00:57:26.320 to consuming fewer breaths per minute 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.540 than the average person. 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.480 - Yeah, endurance exercise can slow your metabolism 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:39.320 by reducing the thyroid, 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:45.200 and the tissue itself can become more efficient. 00:57:45.200 --> 00:57:50.880 People who live at very high altitude 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:56.360 have adapted their tissues 00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:01.360 so that they resist shifting over to making lactic acid. 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.320 And probably some endurance athletes 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.600 have a similar adaptation 00:58:08.600 --> 00:58:13.360 that simply makes their tissues more efficient, 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:18.360 resisting forming the wasteful lactic acid. 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:23.800 Coffee drinking does some similar things, 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.440 simply increasing the efficiency of the tissue, 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:31.040 making it able to produce more energy 00:58:31.040 --> 00:58:34.120 without going over into lactic acid production. 00:58:34.120 --> 00:58:35.400 - Wow, coffee, good old coffee. 00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:38.600 But haven't we often been told over the years 00:58:38.600 --> 00:58:42.400 that too much exercise or exercise produces lactic acid? 00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:44.880 That's why the muscles hurt and everything? 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.520 - Yeah, at low altitude, 00:58:47.520 --> 00:58:52.360 if a person is starting out with a thyroid problem, 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.240 a deficient thyroid function, 00:58:55.240 --> 00:58:59.880 they are already producing too much lactic acid 00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:01.040 just at rest. 00:59:01.040 --> 00:59:05.840 And so the lower your thyroid function is, 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.720 the lower the threshold is 00:59:07.720 --> 00:59:11.240 for going over into lactic acid production. 00:59:11.240 --> 00:59:15.440 And so when your thyroid is high, 00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.940 you're in effect living at a high altitude. 00:59:18.940 --> 00:59:21.760 People going to a high altitude, 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:26.760 the T3 active thyroid hormone rises considerably. 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:33.240 And that's part of the ability to do full amount of work 00:59:33.240 --> 00:59:37.480 without producing lactic acid. 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.640 But both high altitude and good thyroid function 00:59:42.640 --> 00:59:47.640 and certain types of chronic adaptation can produce that. 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.080 - And to recap, when you see a TSH, 00:59:53.080 --> 00:59:56.240 what number, if you were kind of looking at it, 00:59:56.240 --> 00:59:58.240 that you would like to see? 00:59:58.240 --> 00:59:59.080 - .001. 00:59:59.080 --> 01:00:04.720 - Whoa, whoa, really? 01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:05.960 - It's okay if it's .1. 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.680 - You're not talking about one, two, or three, 01:00:09.680 --> 01:00:11.520 you're talking about .00. 01:00:11.520 --> 01:00:17.400 - Yeah, a large population was surveyed 01:00:17.720 --> 01:00:22.200 to see how many thyroid cancers there were 01:00:22.200 --> 01:00:26.640 and what the TSH in the population was. 01:00:26.640 --> 01:00:31.640 The populations that had 0.4 and down, 01:00:31.640 --> 01:00:36.240 0.4 was the highest in the group, 01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:39.680 they were essentially free of thyroid cancer. 01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:43.600 - So, but I mean, these tests don't even go to decimals. 01:00:43.600 --> 01:00:45.280 The lowest they go is one, right? 01:00:46.240 --> 01:00:51.240 - Oh no, they're new tests that go out to three points. 01:00:51.240 --> 01:00:52.680 - Oh really? - Three decimal points. 01:00:52.680 --> 01:00:54.040 - You could ask for a test and say, 01:00:54.040 --> 01:00:56.400 "I wanna see the decimals on this baby." 01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:00.400 - Oh yeah, I think they, as a rule, are doing that now. 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.680 - But even general than a TSH of two, three, or four, 01:01:03.680 --> 01:01:05.640 you're suggesting that folks-- 01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:08.840 - Yeah, I've never seen anyone who was free of symptoms 01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:12.040 who had a 2.0 or-- 01:01:12.040 --> 01:01:14.480 - Or higher. 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:19.480 - Or higher, yeah, but very few people at 1.5 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.440 are really fully functioning. 01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:24.520 - And what are some of the symptoms of, 01:01:24.520 --> 01:01:27.440 say a two or a three TSH would be? 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:34.520 - Some kind of inflammatory problem somewhere in the system. 01:01:34.520 --> 01:01:36.600 - Could be insomnia? 01:01:36.600 --> 01:01:39.120 - Oh sure, yeah. - Oh yeah, sure. 01:01:39.120 --> 01:01:42.080 So you don't wanna get one of those full-fledged 01:01:42.080 --> 01:01:45.840 little piggy thyroid desiccated and start slow and work up 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.840 and see if you can get rid of that, 01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:50.080 whatever symptoms you have, 01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:52.440 is in general what you recommend? 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.520 - Yeah, good general nutrition 01:01:54.520 --> 01:01:56.600 where you're not getting too much phosphate 01:01:56.600 --> 01:02:01.600 but are getting at least 80 to 100 grams of protein per day. 01:02:01.600 --> 01:02:06.160 - 80 to 100 of protein? 01:02:06.160 --> 01:02:08.080 But milk gives you the phosphate. 01:02:09.120 --> 01:02:12.280 - Yeah, milk gives you the phosphate 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.240 but in proportion to calcium and magnesium. 01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:16.080 - I see. 01:02:16.080 --> 01:02:18.760 - And so if you drink three quarts of milk, 01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.440 you're getting an adequate amount of protein 01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:22.480 just from the milk. 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.200 - Dr. Peat, I've been diagnosed 01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:29.160 with supraventricular tachycardia, 01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:33.120 pulse of 200 beats, wow, almost instantly, 01:02:33.120 --> 01:02:35.280 ablation recommended. 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:36.680 I'm in my early 80s, 01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:39.040 just finished cervical cancer treatment, 01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:42.240 five weeks radiation, five doses of chemo. 01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:46.280 Examined by oncologist two months ago, 01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:48.520 received no visible signs of cancer. 01:02:48.520 --> 01:02:52.960 Can you give me some advice on what I can do 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:54.440 to balance things out? 01:02:54.440 --> 01:03:00.120 - Checking vitamin D would be the very first thing 01:03:00.120 --> 01:03:03.560 because if your vitamin D is low, 01:03:03.560 --> 01:03:07.280 you're subject to the excitatory effects of phosphate. 01:03:08.040 --> 01:03:12.200 And checking the amount of calcium and magnesium 01:03:12.200 --> 01:03:16.000 in your diet along with the vitamin D, 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:20.280 those are the heart-stabilizing nutrients, 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:21.680 most important one, 01:03:21.680 --> 01:03:26.680 and selenium from seafoods in particular. 01:03:26.680 --> 01:03:31.120 One good meal of seafood per week 01:03:31.120 --> 01:03:35.120 will provide the required selenium. 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:42.000 And that lets your tissues form the thyroid hormone. 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:47.400 Your T4 in circulation might be adequate, 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:50.760 but without selenium, 01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:55.760 the individual tissues won't be able to produce the T3 01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:02.240 that they need, for example, for the heart metabolism. 01:04:02.240 --> 01:04:07.240 And avoiding a salt-deficient diet 01:04:07.240 --> 01:04:10.080 goes right along with getting enough calcium. 01:04:10.080 --> 01:04:17.040 40 years ago, the dogma was that high blood pressure 01:04:17.040 --> 01:04:19.960 went with high sodium intake, 01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:23.520 but a researcher named McCarron 01:04:23.520 --> 01:04:27.640 looked at the diets more carefully 01:04:27.640 --> 01:04:30.440 and showed that a calcium deficiency 01:04:31.600 --> 01:04:34.480 was the problem, 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:39.480 and that the people with hypertension 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:44.760 were actually deficient in both calcium and sodium. 01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.640 - And deficient, yeah. 01:04:48.640 --> 01:04:50.680 Are the docs still doing that whole low-self thing? 01:04:50.680 --> 01:04:52.760 Is that still going around, I guess? 01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:54.720 - I keep hearing it occasionally. 01:04:54.720 --> 01:04:57.600 Not as bad as it used to be. 01:04:57.600 --> 01:04:59.800 - Here's a recent blood test from Trent 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:05.880 indicates his estradiol is 15.1 pg/mL. 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:10.080 What is the optimum estrogen blood level 01:05:10.080 --> 01:05:14.560 for a 70-year-old male, and do men need estrogen? 01:05:14.560 --> 01:05:16.640 Do you recommend nutrient prescription drugs 01:05:16.640 --> 01:05:18.040 to block estrogen? 01:05:18.040 --> 01:05:23.880 - No, that's a very fine, low estrogen. 01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:28.880 Typically, aging men get more and more estrogen, 01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:34.880 but 15 pg/mL is good. 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.080 - That's okay. 01:05:36.080 --> 01:05:36.920 Here's one for you. 01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:39.680 I've seen mixed studies about the damage caused 01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:42.240 by cooking food in a microwave oven, 01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:44.880 particularly the proteins becoming allergic. 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.920 What does Dr. Peat think about microwave ovens? 01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:53.920 - It causes the same changes that boiling your meat does, 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:58.720 and it has the virtue of 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:04.440 not tending to scorch things on the outside 01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.680 like a baking oven would. 01:06:06.680 --> 01:06:11.400 So I think on average, 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:15.820 the nutrients are safer by microwave, 01:06:15.820 --> 01:06:17.720 but it just doesn't taste as good. 01:06:17.720 --> 01:06:22.080 - Yeah, so the nutrients are actually more with microwave 01:06:22.080 --> 01:06:23.080 than they are boiling, 01:06:23.080 --> 01:06:25.840 but not with cooking properly, though. 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:29.200 - No. - No. 01:06:29.200 --> 01:06:31.600 Plus, there's a lot of EMFs that come out. 01:06:31.600 --> 01:06:34.720 I don't know if you've ever put one of those to the email 01:06:34.720 --> 01:06:38.440 or one of those RF meters on 10 feet from a microwave. 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:44.480 - Yeah, the old microwave used to put out a huge field, but-- 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.400 - Are they better now? 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.320 - Yeah, they're safe about three or four feet away. 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:52.040 - Ah, here's an email. 01:06:52.040 --> 01:06:54.280 Numerous recent guests on Patrick's show 01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:58.440 have stated that it is microscopic parasites, potentially, 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:01.740 that cause unhealthy calcification of the tissues, 01:07:01.740 --> 01:07:04.020 like toxoplasmosis, 01:07:04.020 --> 01:07:06.280 contributing to calcification in the brain. 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:08.560 Are there any remedies Dr. Ray can recommend 01:07:08.560 --> 01:07:11.400 for eliminating these little tiny parasites, 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.120 repairing the damage they can cause? 01:07:14.120 --> 01:07:17.240 - Just getting your immune system revved up, 01:07:17.240 --> 01:07:23.120 keeping your body temperature up around 98.6 in the daytime, 01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:27.360 and your oxidative metabolism going well. 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:29.840 The immune system can take care of those. 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:32.360 - So running around after, say, I do my show 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:34.660 and I go outside and whatever, 01:07:34.660 --> 01:07:37.340 and then just do my body temperature, 01:07:37.340 --> 01:07:41.440 in that case, it should be around 98.6 or so. 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:43.020 That would be the ideal? 01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:45.680 - If you're active and walking around, 01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:49.280 your muscles provide the heat to keep you up there. 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:52.000 - And then what about first thing in the morning, though? 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.200 - Oh, it's okay to be cool during the night. 01:07:55.200 --> 01:07:57.300 - Lower, I mean, that makes sense, right. 01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:00.280 Dr. Ray Peat talks about red light, 01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.320 but what does he think about colors on the walls 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.840 and all of these kinds of things, blue and green? 01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:11.000 Do they provide any more happiness for us, 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:12.800 colors on the walls? 01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:13.920 - Oh, sure. 01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:17.600 Bright lights are essential 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:22.160 avoiding gloom, 01:08:22.160 --> 01:08:26.360 but colors make it more interesting, 01:08:26.360 --> 01:08:27.680 not just the brightness. 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.640 - Dr. Ray, Peat is with us. 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.280 We'll do a few more here before we let him go. 01:08:32.280 --> 01:08:35.120 Are there any good safe spices, writes an emailer. 01:08:35.120 --> 01:08:37.000 Safe spices. 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:42.000 - Oh, yeah, they all have their toxic levels. 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:43.320 - Do they? 01:08:43.320 --> 01:08:47.360 - Some of them are so tasty, like chili. 01:08:48.120 --> 01:08:51.600 Chili pepper has, the spice can burn you 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.680 and cause serious damage and probably stomach cancer 01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:59.680 if you eat the hot chilies. 01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:00.720 - Too many of them. 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:03.000 - Too, in excess, 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:08.000 but clove is a pretty safe spice. 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.760 Cinnamon, pepper, black pepper. 01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:12.600 - Black pepper. 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.920 Can you please ask Dr. Peat from Amy in San Diego 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:24.000 about ingesting chlorella powder, spirulina powder, 01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:27.400 charcoal, diatomaceous earth, if no fillers, 01:09:27.400 --> 01:09:29.840 is it still a good way to? 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:37.240 - No, I think all of them have their potential risks. 01:09:37.240 --> 01:09:41.000 - You don't like the chlorella, spirulina, none of those? 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:45.640 - No, because occasionally they have been found 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:48.240 to be contaminated with toxins. 01:09:48.240 --> 01:09:51.240 - If they were clean, would you be okay with them? 01:09:51.240 --> 01:09:56.240 - Yeah, if somehow you could have each batch tested. 01:09:56.240 --> 01:09:59.800 - Good luck with that. 01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:01.440 Here's an email from Europe. 01:10:01.440 --> 01:10:04.120 In the past half year, I have started putting sugar 01:10:04.120 --> 01:10:06.840 in coffee and also greatly increased intake 01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.280 of freshly processed OJ. 01:10:10.280 --> 01:10:14.240 For me, it means, it seems to have increased dental cavities. 01:10:14.240 --> 01:10:16.080 Wow, a recent visit to the dentist 01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:18.080 resulted in a great disappointment. 01:10:18.080 --> 01:10:19.960 How do we find strength and confidence 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.800 in adopting Dr. Peat's recommendation 01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:25.760 of not being afraid of sugar and fruit juices, 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.760 especially when everyone else is convinced 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.560 that sugar destroys the teeth? 01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:36.560 - Well, it's good to rinse your mouth after every intake. 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:41.560 - Because of the acidity on the, yeah. 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:42.400 - Yeah. 01:10:42.400 --> 01:10:43.880 - And I think it would also have to do a lot 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:48.040 with the other balances of the minerals, wouldn't it? 01:10:48.040 --> 01:10:52.040 - Oh yeah, the quality of your saliva 01:10:52.040 --> 01:10:54.120 varies according to your hormones. 01:10:54.120 --> 01:10:58.720 And some cavities start inside the teeth 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:00.800 when you're under stress. 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.400 They're called stress cavities 01:11:03.400 --> 01:11:08.400 because the tooth removes minerals under stress. 01:11:09.400 --> 01:11:11.000 - This is from Kristen. 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:16.000 A desiccated thyroid for autoimmune thyroiditis. 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.120 Is bovine okay or does it want to be derived from pig? 01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:22.280 - No, both of them are good. 01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:23.720 - Both of them are good? 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:24.560 - Mm-hmm. 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:30.760 - Okay, so please ask Dr. Ray Peat if A2 milk is good. 01:11:30.760 --> 01:11:34.600 If it's a store-bought and has a natural protein. 01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:37.640 I like it warm at night and less tummy discomfort. 01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:39.080 They actually sell A2 milk. 01:11:39.080 --> 01:11:42.120 I saw it at the store, but I don't think it's, 01:11:42.120 --> 01:11:44.160 I've never seen one where it's antibiotic-free 01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:45.840 and stuff like that. 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:49.800 - I tried that kind for two or three months. 01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:50.640 - Did you? 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:54.240 - And it was okay, but they didn't have it in 1%, 01:11:54.240 --> 01:11:57.840 only 2%, so I like the low-fat milk. 01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:02.000 - But I thought that's good for milk, right? 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.280 - Yeah, I think 1% is okay. 01:12:05.320 --> 01:12:07.360 - Does Dr. Ray Peat have any suggestions 01:12:07.360 --> 01:12:11.280 for reversing lactic acidosis, 01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:15.400 juicing, baking soda, lower fat intake? 01:12:15.400 --> 01:12:17.560 - Yep, both of those. 01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:18.840 - All those? 01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:21.000 - Good thyroid function, vitamin D. 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:29.400 - What does Dr. Ray Peat think of Shi-la-jit? 01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:32.000 - What was the word? 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:32.840 - Shi-la-jit. 01:12:34.040 --> 01:12:39.040 Oh, that's a mineral from Siberia, I think. 01:12:39.040 --> 01:12:41.640 - Yeah, somewhere like that. 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.280 - Yeah, I don't know anything directly about it, 01:12:45.280 --> 01:12:46.320 just what I've read. 01:12:46.320 --> 01:12:50.600 - I think the Amazon man is here again. 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:53.400 They just come any time, and my dog is barking a little bit, 01:12:53.400 --> 01:12:55.000 but it's time to go anyway. 01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.800 Well, Dr. Peat, what are you gonna do over the holidays? 01:12:57.800 --> 01:12:59.400 Anything special? 01:12:59.400 --> 01:13:01.040 - Nope, just keep working. 01:13:01.040 --> 01:13:02.200 - Keep working, yeah. 01:13:02.200 --> 01:13:03.320 Do you travel much anymore? 01:13:03.320 --> 01:13:04.640 Have you ever, when's the last time 01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.360 you've been down to Mexico? 01:13:06.360 --> 01:13:07.440 - Oh, years ago. 01:13:07.440 --> 01:13:09.680 - Uh-huh, you don't have any desire 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:11.400 to go back and visit at all? 01:13:11.400 --> 01:13:15.920 - Oh yeah, I'm ready to go anytime I please. 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:19.480 - There's some really beautiful parts of Mexico, 01:13:19.480 --> 01:13:20.320 isn't there, really? 01:13:20.320 --> 01:13:21.160 - Oh yeah, yep. 01:13:21.160 --> 01:13:23.560 - Phew, man, that they don't have banditos. 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.240 You just gotta be careful where you go these days. 01:13:26.240 --> 01:13:27.120 - Yeah. 01:13:27.120 --> 01:13:29.200 - Well, Dr. Ray Peat, thanks so much for being here. 01:13:29.200 --> 01:13:31.240 Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, 01:13:31.240 --> 01:13:34.280 and we will see you in January, 01:13:34.280 --> 01:13:36.080 and we'll have all the information 01:13:36.080 --> 01:13:38.880 on your website on our show page for you. 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:39.960 - 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