WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.580 (upbeat music) 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:11.840 - What's good everyone, 00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:13.840 welcome back to the Strong Sisters YouTube channel. 00:00:13.840 --> 00:00:16.120 In today's video, we have the pleasure and the honor 00:00:16.120 --> 00:00:17.880 of having Dr. Raymond Peat on our channel 00:00:17.880 --> 00:00:20.320 to discuss his views of nutrition and wellness. 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:22.640 So Dr. Ray Peat got his PhD in biology 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:24.080 from the University of Oregon. 00:00:24.080 --> 00:00:26.080 He specialized in physiology 00:00:26.080 --> 00:00:28.520 and he's interested in topics such as aging, 00:00:28.520 --> 00:00:30.000 nutrition and hormones. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.920 So Dr. Ray Peat is just a little ball of information. 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:37.720 He has dedicated so many hours to independent research 00:00:37.720 --> 00:00:40.000 and he puts all of this information online for free 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:41.000 for our benefit. 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:42.100 He's not backed by anything 00:00:42.100 --> 00:00:44.200 and he's not trying to sell you anything. 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:45.560 - That's one of the main reasons why we appreciate 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:47.560 Dr. Ray Peat, he's not backed by any funding agency, 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:49.760 he's not trying to sell you any supplements or programs. 00:00:49.760 --> 00:00:51.840 Instead he's just really interested in this 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.240 and his views are likely going to challenge 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.640 many of your views and I think that that's a good practice, 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.200 a good activity that we should all do every once in a while 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:01.600 to really challenge our beliefs 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:03.360 'cause that way we can grow and evolve. 00:01:03.360 --> 00:01:05.880 So we are not saying that his claims are 100% right, 00:01:05.880 --> 00:01:07.860 you're not going to agree with every individual 00:01:07.860 --> 00:01:08.700 on certain things. 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:12.200 But Dr. Ray Peat discusses some nutritional strategies 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:14.920 or like principles and many people have kind of taken 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:16.680 these principles and formulated what's called 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:17.960 like a Ray Peat diet. 00:01:17.960 --> 00:01:20.040 And so this diet can kind of be summarized by, 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:21.760 he believes that we should be carb fueled 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:23.440 with easy to digest carbs 00:01:23.440 --> 00:01:25.780 and that you will get your nutrients in 00:01:25.780 --> 00:01:28.520 from animal products. 00:01:28.520 --> 00:01:30.840 So we have definitely incorporated some of these principles 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.280 into our diet a few months ago 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.000 when we started to add carbs back in 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:36.880 and it has worked well for us. 00:01:36.880 --> 00:01:38.140 However, just a reminder, 00:01:38.140 --> 00:01:40.440 there are no absolutes in the nutrition world, 00:01:40.440 --> 00:01:43.200 we are all very different and so you have to experiment 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.300 to find what works best for you. 00:01:45.300 --> 00:01:47.920 So this conversation is just presenting 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.960 another unique perspective on nutrition 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:53.160 and we hope you enjoy. 00:01:53.160 --> 00:01:55.640 So with all that said, Dr. Ray Peat, 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:57.000 didn't zoom us. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.180 So we called his landline and therefore this video 00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:03.520 is an hour and a half of our video. 00:02:03.520 --> 00:02:06.000 So like us, you get to see us reacting and typing 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:07.760 and then just like a cute voice. 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.360 And so we-- - We enjoy that. 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.680 - Can only call his landline, he is 84 years old 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.000 but can just bring up studies off the top of his head, 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.520 which speaks of his intelligence. 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.320 And we polled many people on Instagram 00:02:20.320 --> 00:02:23.700 and so these questions are just from the Instagram questions 00:02:23.700 --> 00:02:25.400 we did not get to all of them, 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:28.320 but hopefully we can have him on our channel again. 00:02:28.320 --> 00:02:29.920 So if you guys have any more additional questions, 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:32.120 make sure you hit him in the comments below 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:35.200 and hopefully we can get him on if he doesn't hate us too much 00:02:35.200 --> 00:02:36.720 I don't know, we'll see. 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:39.320 - He's great you guys, he's seriously so nice. 00:02:39.320 --> 00:02:40.160 - So fun. 00:02:40.160 --> 00:02:42.680 All right, well hope you guys enjoy this video. 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.400 We have polled our audience for some questions 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:47.160 and then we also have some questions ourselves 00:02:47.160 --> 00:02:49.840 that are kind of divided into some different topics 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:50.920 to just keep it organized. 00:02:50.920 --> 00:02:53.120 We're gonna talk about like nutrition stuff, 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.040 weight loss, hormones, fertility, supplements 00:02:56.040 --> 00:02:59.320 and we'll just kind of see where the conversation goes 00:02:59.320 --> 00:03:01.280 if that's okay with you. 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:02.120 - That's fine. 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:02.960 - Okay, cool. 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:05.040 A lot of people are confused about 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:06.480 what they should be eating these days. 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:10.140 So we have all like keto, carnivore, different diets. 00:03:10.140 --> 00:03:12.560 If it were up to you, what are about five to 10 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:14.720 essential food items that you would recommend 00:03:14.720 --> 00:03:17.480 somebody includes in their diet? 00:03:17.480 --> 00:03:21.200 - Special food items? 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:22.040 - Just like-- 00:03:22.040 --> 00:03:22.860 - Essential. 00:03:22.860 --> 00:03:25.160 - So kind of the most, the food that people 00:03:25.160 --> 00:03:27.460 should prioritize they eat regularly. 00:03:27.460 --> 00:03:34.520 - It really depends a lot on your situation. 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:40.400 But very, very safe and highly nutritious foods 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:47.200 are convenient as well as safe in the long run. 00:03:50.480 --> 00:03:55.480 Those include milk, cheese without additives, 00:03:55.480 --> 00:04:02.140 eggs, low starch fruits, generally meat and fish 00:04:02.140 --> 00:04:12.500 that are not high in polyunsaturated fats. 00:04:12.500 --> 00:04:19.020 And depending on your ability to digest food 00:04:19.880 --> 00:04:24.880 well cooked vegetables are very good for most people. 00:04:24.880 --> 00:04:34.200 What I've left out are mostly grains, legumes 00:04:34.200 --> 00:04:41.560 and other seed related parts such as nuts. 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.620 - Yeah, would you say that the nuts and the seeds 00:04:49.620 --> 00:04:52.380 and the legumes you're not incorporating 00:04:52.380 --> 00:04:54.460 because of the PFAS? 00:04:54.460 --> 00:05:01.140 - Not just that but plants put, they create a storage form 00:05:01.140 --> 00:05:08.740 of nutrients to support the embryos development 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:15.140 and those nutrients have to be in insoluble form 00:05:16.140 --> 00:05:21.140 so they don't wash away while the seed is waiting 00:05:21.140 --> 00:05:22.260 to germinate. 00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:28.800 They have to be mobilized in an organized way. 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:34.880 And those preparations for the nutrients 00:05:34.880 --> 00:05:41.480 for the seed embryo go with specific defenses 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:47.480 against those same nutrients being used by predators 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:55.480 such as mammals that would eat their seeds 00:05:55.480 --> 00:06:02.080 or worms, insects, fungus and so on. 00:06:02.080 --> 00:06:07.660 So they have essentially pesticides or insecticides 00:06:07.660 --> 00:06:11.240 incorporated into the seed chemistry. 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:16.240 They put their most special blockers of digestion 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:21.760 and basically neurotoxins and digestive toxins 00:06:21.760 --> 00:06:26.760 into the seed as self defense because the seed 00:06:26.760 --> 00:06:31.080 is the essential most important part of the plant. 00:06:31.080 --> 00:06:36.480 The plant can grow new leaves if a predator eats them 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:41.480 but the seed is the long term existence of the plant. 00:06:41.480 --> 00:06:47.200 So the worst toxins as far as animals are concerned 00:06:47.200 --> 00:06:49.040 are in the seeds. 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:50.760 - They gotta protect their babies. 00:06:50.760 --> 00:06:52.560 - Yeah. 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.800 - So can you expand a little bit on PFAS? 00:06:55.800 --> 00:07:00.800 So beyond nuts and seeds, just how you view PFAS 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:06.040 influence cells and how they can cause insulin resistance? 00:07:06.960 --> 00:07:11.960 - Yeah, cold organisms have to, besides surviving the winter 00:07:11.960 --> 00:07:24.000 which cold storage is very good for a seed to survive 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:30.840 and insects and fish and other cold blood organisms, 00:07:33.880 --> 00:07:38.880 frogs for example, can stand to be even frozen 00:07:38.880 --> 00:07:46.000 but they can live daily life at a very low temperature 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:51.320 close to freezing. 00:07:51.320 --> 00:07:56.120 And so those organisms are seed when it is ready 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:59.240 to germinate in the spring for example 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.960 when it's still very cold in the northern climate. 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:07.200 They have to mobilize their enzymes. 00:08:07.200 --> 00:08:12.200 There has to be mobility in the seed cells 00:08:12.200 --> 00:08:18.320 and a fish or an insect naturally has to move 00:08:18.320 --> 00:08:21.320 even when it's very cold. 00:08:21.320 --> 00:08:27.160 And saturated fats harden at a very moderate temperature. 00:08:29.400 --> 00:08:34.400 If you put butter in the icebox it becomes very hard. 00:08:34.400 --> 00:08:40.280 Even olive oil solidifies in the refrigerator. 00:08:40.280 --> 00:08:47.520 And so an animal or a plant living in the north 00:08:47.520 --> 00:08:52.720 at a low temperature simply can't survive 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:58.880 if it has saturated fats for its energy storage. 00:08:58.880 --> 00:09:03.880 And so in proportion to the coldness of the climate 00:09:03.880 --> 00:09:08.000 they remove hydrogens from the fats 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.160 making them liquid at cold temperature. 00:09:12.160 --> 00:09:18.480 But the degree of unsaturation or removal of hydrogens 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:25.280 to make them liquid oils in the cold 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:29.880 makes them highly oxidizable. 00:09:29.880 --> 00:09:36.640 And if you increase the temperature of a fish for example 00:09:36.640 --> 00:09:44.480 at human temperature 98 degrees a fish very quickly stinks. 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:52.640 And if you put highly unsaturated seed oil or fish oil 00:09:53.640 --> 00:09:58.640 if you raise it to even room temperature 00:09:58.640 --> 00:10:08.080 or body temperature in the 90 degrees Fahrenheit range 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:13.840 they will quickly start to harden. 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:18.840 The oxidation spreads and hardens them into solid masses. 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:24.480 So if an organism is going to live outside 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:31.200 of that cold environment they have to get rid 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.680 of the polyunsaturated fats. 00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:39.680 And the warmer the environment is the more saturated 00:10:39.680 --> 00:10:44.840 their fat has to be to survive 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:49.840 because the highly unsaturated fats simply turn 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:56.840 to glue plastic like material 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:03.840 that is totally incompatible with life. 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:07.840 - So what does that do for metabolism? 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.240 Like what part of the cellular metabolism 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.040 does do PUFAs interfere with? 00:11:13.040 --> 00:11:15.520 Like for example along the electron transport chain? 00:11:15.520 --> 00:11:20.520 - As soon, when a person eats a seed oil for example 00:11:20.520 --> 00:11:27.520 the first thing a highly unsaturated seed oil does 00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:32.520 if an animal chews up a flax seed for example 00:11:32.520 --> 00:11:39.640 the polyunsaturated fat blocks the digestion 00:11:39.640 --> 00:11:44.640 of proteolytic enzymes. 00:11:44.640 --> 00:11:47.960 And so it impairs protein digestion 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:52.840 as the very first step in your stomach and intestine. 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.120 And then when it gets into the blood 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:59.040 if it reaches your thyroid gland 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:03.080 it inhibits the proteolytic enzyme 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.800 which is needed to form thyroid hormone. 00:12:07.160 --> 00:12:10.240 And then circulating in the blood 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.520 if you ate enough that there's a measurable amount 00:12:14.520 --> 00:12:18.840 circulating it keeps the thyroid hormones 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:23.240 from being transported on the blood proteins. 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:25.880 And when it gets into the cells 00:12:25.880 --> 00:12:30.880 it blocks the action of thyroid to stimulate respiration. 00:12:32.160 --> 00:12:37.160 And so the polyunsaturated fat inhibits respiration 00:12:37.160 --> 00:12:40.560 blocks the energy production 00:12:40.560 --> 00:12:45.560 and at the same time is starting to degrade 00:12:45.560 --> 00:12:50.600 and produce the reactive oxidative fragments 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.400 that are toxic to cells. 00:12:53.400 --> 00:13:00.400 The circulating polyunsaturated fatty acids in the blood 00:13:01.400 --> 00:13:06.400 happen to intensify estrogen actions. 00:13:06.400 --> 00:13:12.400 It releases estrogen from binding proteins 00:13:12.400 --> 00:13:18.960 making it more active and activates the estrogen receptors 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:24.120 and it imitates the actions of estrogen. 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:29.120 So they are systematically impairing estrogen 00:13:29.160 --> 00:13:33.680 impairing the metabolism and shifting the direction 00:13:33.680 --> 00:13:35.960 of animal metabolism. 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:42.960 Part of that is the plant's defensive reaction. 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:49.080 The rest of it is just in the nature of energy production 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:55.920 and the fact that these random oxidative reactions 00:13:58.400 --> 00:14:02.120 are the opposite of what we need to produce energy. 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:07.080 - From my understanding PUFAs cause our fat cells 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:12.080 to become insulin sensitive and that's not what we want. 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:15.320 We want our fat cells to become insulin resistant. 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:23.120 - Yeah, that's just one of the... 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:26.360 - Yeah, you listed off the many consequences. 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.240 Some people have questioned where is the role 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:31.240 of monounsaturated fats in the diet then? 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.520 So something like olive oil or avocado. 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:36.360 How does that compare to the PUFAs versus 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.240 the saturated fats that you often recommend 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.740 such as coconut oil or animal fats? 00:14:40.740 --> 00:14:47.400 - When we eat carbohydrates in excess 00:14:47.400 --> 00:14:50.160 we make our own saturated fats. 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:57.120 If we are free of the polyunsaturated fats 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:02.400 we can modify a certain percentage of our saturated fats 00:15:02.400 --> 00:15:07.400 which we have made from carbohydrates 00:15:07.400 --> 00:15:12.400 or saturated fat from chocolate or beef for example. 00:15:12.400 --> 00:15:18.600 We can unsaturate midway down the fatty acid molecule 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.960 at carbon number nine. 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:28.840 We can start a desaturation process there. 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.320 It's nine carbons away from the end 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:38.320 and it's closer to the acidic head end of the fat molecule. 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:44.200 So the acid end makes it safer from oxidation. 00:15:46.520 --> 00:15:50.680 So the ones we produce from saturated fats 00:15:50.680 --> 00:15:53.160 or carbohydrates are called 00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:58.160 the omega minus nine series fatty acids 00:15:58.160 --> 00:16:03.040 and those happen to be anti-inflammatory 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:08.040 and are protective against the plant derived 00:16:08.040 --> 00:16:15.440 omega minus three or omega minus six fatty acids. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:19.400 - So are you saying that the omega nines, 00:16:19.400 --> 00:16:21.160 that's oleic acid, is that right? 00:16:21.160 --> 00:16:27.080 - Yeah, that's the major fat I think in avocados. 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.080 It's a major fat and in olive oil for example. 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.040 - So did you say that the omega nines 00:16:36.040 --> 00:16:40.320 that we get from avocado or olive oil, 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.400 those are protective against omega sixes and omega threes 00:16:43.400 --> 00:16:46.720 or only the omega nines that we produce in our bodies? 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:53.520 - The ones we produce in our bodies independently 00:16:53.520 --> 00:16:59.120 are purely protective and anti-inflammatory. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:03.520 The trouble with those, olive oil even, 00:17:03.520 --> 00:17:09.920 usually contains about 10% of the PUFA 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.160 and if you eat more than maybe one or two teaspoons 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:20.920 of olive oil per day, you're at risk of accumulating 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:26.800 that 10% of the highly unsaturated, 00:17:26.800 --> 00:17:30.840 which will build up gradually over time 00:17:30.840 --> 00:17:35.520 and offset the protective effect of the omega nine. 00:17:35.520 --> 00:17:39.120 But if your calorie intake is fairly low 00:17:40.120 --> 00:17:43.760 and you don't overeat on olive oil, 00:17:43.760 --> 00:17:48.400 then those will be disposed of safely 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.400 and the omega nines can then be protective. 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:55.320 - I think that that's a really important point 00:17:55.320 --> 00:17:56.600 that not many people talk about 00:17:56.600 --> 00:17:59.520 is there are different situations 00:17:59.520 --> 00:18:03.040 depending on whether you are eating in a caloric deficit 00:18:03.040 --> 00:18:04.640 or eating in a caloric surplus. 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:06.280 It's almost like caloric surpluses 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:09.280 can amplify some of these negative consequences. 00:18:10.280 --> 00:18:13.000 - What can amplify them? 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:14.840 - Eating in a caloric surplus, 00:18:14.840 --> 00:18:17.400 so eating more calories than what you are burning. 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:22.280 - Yeah, eating excess calories. 00:18:22.280 --> 00:18:27.280 These go into storage and build up over time, 00:18:27.280 --> 00:18:32.800 remarkably medical literature, not so much the scientific, 00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:38.360 but a baby, 00:18:39.360 --> 00:18:44.360 now people are saying almost all newborn babies 00:18:44.360 --> 00:18:49.480 are deficient in the so-called essential fatty acids. 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:55.680 In fact, the newborn babies oxidative metabolism 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.840 and ability to produce energy quickly 00:19:00.840 --> 00:19:04.360 and to build tissue, 00:19:04.360 --> 00:19:08.160 it's at an extremely high rate, 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:13.160 much higher than ever again in life, 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:17.800 the first few months of a baby's life. 00:19:17.800 --> 00:19:22.800 It's consuming oxygen at an extremely high rate 00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:25.320 per unit of tissue 00:19:25.320 --> 00:19:29.560 and that's exactly because of the absence 00:19:29.560 --> 00:19:32.280 of the polyunsaturated fats 00:19:32.280 --> 00:19:36.920 and if it eats a so-called formula 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:41.920 containing the so-called essential fatty acids, 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.640 it very quickly starts to suppress 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:51.640 its cellular metabolism using oxygen. 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:57.880 The accumulation of polyunsaturated fats 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:01.400 goes on steadily from, 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:05.480 as soon as it's exposed to them, 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.480 especially with a synthetic formula containing PUFA, 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.680 that goes on steadily 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:18.680 and slows the metabolic rate progressively. 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:25.000 If you look at a chart 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:29.080 graphing the consumption of oxygen per tissue, 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:34.400 it's at a very high point at the beginning 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.440 and an extremely low point 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.440 at reaching zero at old age and death. 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:46.360 So it's a progressive aging process 00:20:46.360 --> 00:20:51.200 and energy losing process of the tissue 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.400 exactly in proportion to the accumulation 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:59.400 of polyunsaturated fats with time. 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.760 - Thinking of the way that we grew up 00:21:01.760 --> 00:21:03.240 and the way that we ate growing up, 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:06.640 I can't even imagine how many PUFAs we've accumulated 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:08.480 throughout the years. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:09.960 One of the essential foods 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:11.960 or the foods that you would recommend 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:14.680 for somebody to consume, you mentioned fish. 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:17.560 So were you talking about like white fish 00:21:17.560 --> 00:21:20.080 or do you have any role in your diet 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:23.800 for fish that are high in the essential fatty acids 00:21:23.800 --> 00:21:26.160 such as something like salmon or salmon roe? 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.560 So maybe cold water versus warm water fish as well. 00:21:29.560 --> 00:21:32.040 - Salmon is terrible 00:21:32.040 --> 00:21:37.040 because of its high content of polyunsaturated fats. 00:21:37.040 --> 00:21:42.240 The desirable ones, if you can't eat tropical fish, 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:47.080 like in the Amazon River where the water is very warm, 00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:52.160 fish fat is just about as saturated as butter fat. 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.480 So it's much safer, 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.480 but in the cold water fish, 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:06.400 you can select those with a very low body fat content. 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:13.000 And so cod and sole, for example, 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.120 are much better than salmon. 00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:20.360 - So I know a lot of people question then 00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:24.360 like how did the Inuits get by 00:22:24.360 --> 00:22:26.000 with very little health problems 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:29.240 when they were eating a diet high in cold water fish? 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.800 Do you have any insight on this point? 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:37.680 - It's a very harmful diet. 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.960 If you have a high metabolic rate 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:45.960 and are able to oxidize the fats as fast as you eat them, 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:53.720 they won't accumulate at a dangerous rate. 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:57.160 But if you're fairly sedentary 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:02.160 and are intending to add a little fat every day, 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:09.520 you're going to run into all of the accumulated 00:23:09.520 --> 00:23:15.040 pro-inflammatory oxidative conditions 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:22.280 with time and the accumulation of these in your tissues. 00:23:25.120 --> 00:23:29.360 There are many people claiming that since the brain contains 00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:35.560 a high level of the omega minus three polyunsaturated fats, 00:23:35.560 --> 00:23:43.080 that they are necessary for the brain. 00:23:43.080 --> 00:23:47.560 Somehow the baby at birth doesn't contain them. 00:23:47.560 --> 00:23:53.960 And supposedly, if they're necessary for the brain, 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:59.240 the baby would develop a fully normal, 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:04.240 extremely functional brain without them. 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:10.640 And in fact, if you look at the brain in dementia, 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:16.720 these polyunsaturated fats are accumulating 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:21.280 in a form bound to cholesterol. 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.680 So that in proportion to dementia, 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:31.800 the brain contains the omega minus three fatty acids. 00:24:31.800 --> 00:24:40.680 The whole story to promote their sale of fish oil 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.160 is basically cricket. 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.840 It's advertising without science 00:24:47.840 --> 00:24:51.320 or with the reverse upside down science. 00:24:51.320 --> 00:24:53.320 They are immunosuppressive. 00:24:53.320 --> 00:24:57.840 They knock out your white blood cell function. 00:24:57.840 --> 00:25:04.400 And the oxidative breakdown products 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.720 are what is causing the damage. 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.760 And that suppression of the immune system, 00:25:12.760 --> 00:25:16.440 if you're killing your white blood cells 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:21.280 during several months period, 00:25:21.280 --> 00:25:26.280 they can have an anti-inflammatory function. 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:29.360 But eventually you're going to want to have 00:25:29.360 --> 00:25:32.320 some living white blood cells, 00:25:32.320 --> 00:25:36.960 even at the expense of having inflammation. 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:40.240 And the long range effect 00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.480 is that you've weakened your immune system. 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:48.480 And it happens that the oxidative breakdown products 00:25:51.080 --> 00:25:56.080 are supportive to the formation of antibodies, 00:25:56.080 --> 00:26:01.840 but not to the function of thymus cells 00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:06.840 and the other necessary components of the immune system. 00:26:06.840 --> 00:26:10.920 And it happens that estrogen excess 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.480 biases the immune system in the same way, 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:21.040 leading towards emphasis on antibodies, 00:26:21.040 --> 00:26:25.520 but not on the basic white blood cell 00:26:25.520 --> 00:26:27.560 based part of the immune system. 00:26:27.560 --> 00:26:29.560 - Interesting. 00:26:29.560 --> 00:26:31.600 So to be honest, like a few years ago, 00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:34.600 we certainly thought that these were essential fatty acids. 00:26:34.600 --> 00:26:36.840 Do you have any resources that you would suggest 00:26:36.840 --> 00:26:39.920 someone to read through to kind of maybe get them thinking 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.160 that maybe these aren't essential fatty acids? 00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.160 There's been so much propaganda for the benefits of these 00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:47.960 and that we need to consume them in a diet. 00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.280 What resources would you point people to 00:26:50.280 --> 00:26:53.440 to show that, hey, there's actually potential downsides 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:55.360 to consuming these? 00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:00.360 - Someone recently sent me their draft 00:27:00.360 --> 00:27:05.480 of an extremely good, very readable book 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:10.320 on the polyunsaturated fats. 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:16.240 And it has, I think, a thousand references, 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:19.240 so it can function as a textbook, 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.440 but it's also just entertaining and readable. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:28.360 And it's going to be published imminently, 00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:31.600 but it isn't available right now. 00:27:31.600 --> 00:27:36.600 And I can tell you later where to find it. 00:27:36.600 --> 00:27:40.920 I don't have the information right now. 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:42.280 - Okay, you'll have to send it, 00:27:42.280 --> 00:27:43.120 or we'll come back and talk about that. 00:27:43.120 --> 00:27:44.080 - Yeah, so stay tuned. 00:27:44.080 --> 00:27:45.600 That book will be coming soon. 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.920 - Okay, so moving on to a slightly controversial topic 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.480 in the keto and carnivore community. 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.360 Can you make the case for sugar? 00:27:57.360 --> 00:28:00.520 So not saying that sugar is going to provide you 00:28:00.520 --> 00:28:02.160 with a ton of nutrients, 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.960 but what role do you see sugar playing in someone's diet? 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:14.720 - If you have a highly digestible starch, 00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:20.280 it quickly breaks down into glucose, 00:28:20.280 --> 00:28:25.280 and then it can provide very safe energy 00:28:25.280 --> 00:28:31.160 and can make saturated fats as needed. 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:37.320 But many starches are hard to digest, 00:28:37.320 --> 00:28:42.320 and for someone with sluggish digestion, 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:47.880 starches tend to support bacterial overgrowth 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.880 in the intestine. 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.800 So a person has to take into account 00:28:52.800 --> 00:28:57.760 the quality of their digestion 00:28:57.760 --> 00:29:01.040 when they're considering what to eat. 00:29:01.040 --> 00:29:03.800 So vegetables are fine 00:29:03.800 --> 00:29:07.320 when your digestive system is working well. 00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:12.520 But if you have digestive limitations 00:29:12.520 --> 00:29:15.520 and a tendency to bacterial overgrowth 00:29:15.520 --> 00:29:20.520 or slow peristalsis or nocturnal reflux, 00:29:20.520 --> 00:29:27.640 lots of the common symptoms are made worse by starches. 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.800 And in that case, a low-starch fruit, 00:29:31.800 --> 00:29:33.960 such as the citrus fruit, 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:40.240 can be a perfect source of carbohydrates. 00:29:40.800 --> 00:29:44.840 And you need some kind of carbohydrate 00:29:44.840 --> 00:29:49.840 to safely metabolize fats and proteins. 00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:59.920 And any cooked vegetable will work for most people, 00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:05.080 but some people have to be very selective 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:12.920 and pick out certain vegetables 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:18.240 that they're sure are going to produce inflammation 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.280 and bacterial overgrowth. 00:30:21.280 --> 00:30:22.640 - So to summarize, basically, 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.640 you're kind of saying that sugar is just easy, fast energy, 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.880 and so it doesn't cause negative effects of, 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:34.600 for example, digestion problems 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:36.640 that maybe it would cause 00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:37.880 if someone had to break down, 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.720 like what's an example, like sweet potato. 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.880 Some people may have a problem breaking that sweet potato 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.400 or other vegetables to get their energy. 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:46.160 And so sugar can play a role 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.200 in just providing fast energy 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:49.680 that can access the cells quickly. 00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.640 Is that right? 00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.480 - Yeah, and it doesn't require digestion, 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:59.360 so it can start absorbing right in your stomach 00:30:59.360 --> 00:31:02.320 and immediately in your upper intestine. 00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:08.320 And even if you have a perfectly digestible starch, 00:31:08.320 --> 00:31:14.040 the starch has the same quick reaction 00:31:14.040 --> 00:31:18.000 that pure glucose does, 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.680 and so it's a powerful stimulant to insulin. 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.080 And so if you eat a little too much glucose or starch, 00:31:27.080 --> 00:31:30.320 it activates insulin secretion 00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:35.320 and will turn the excess sugar into fat. 00:31:35.320 --> 00:31:39.000 And the insulin can then, 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:45.120 if you have other nutritional limitations, 00:31:45.120 --> 00:31:51.320 the sudden surge of insulin from glucose or starch, 00:31:51.320 --> 00:31:54.480 after turning on fat production, 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.320 it lowers your blood sugar, 00:31:56.320 --> 00:32:00.280 and that can cause stress reactions. 00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:03.880 And the difference between sucrose, 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.600 the common sugar in fruits, 00:32:06.600 --> 00:32:10.280 is that it's only 50% glucose, 00:32:10.280 --> 00:32:14.080 so it doesn't have the isomeric reaction 00:32:14.080 --> 00:32:17.040 that a digestible starch has. 00:32:17.040 --> 00:32:22.040 It's only half as able to stimulate insulin 00:32:22.040 --> 00:32:25.320 because it's only half glucose. 00:32:25.320 --> 00:32:29.480 And then the fructose component of the molecule 00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:34.480 actually has a mild insulin inhibiting effect. 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:40.120 So it provides the sugar energy 00:32:40.120 --> 00:32:44.440 much more gradually than starch does. 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:50.760 And it tends to avoid the glucose, 00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:59.080 insulin, hypoglycemia stress reaction 00:32:59.080 --> 00:33:04.080 that a highly digestible starch doesn't cause. 00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:08.680 - So a lot of the anti-fructose arguments 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.840 bring up the point that fructose consumption 00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:13.640 doesn't spike insulin, 00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:16.560 and so therefore you should stay below a certain threshold 00:33:16.560 --> 00:33:20.520 or else it will automatically lead to fat gain, for example. 00:33:20.520 --> 00:33:25.000 So where are a lot of these anti-fructose arguments 00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:25.840 coming from? 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:28.280 Is it some relation to PUFAs? 00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:29.400 Where is that argument 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.600 of it automatically leads to fat storage? 00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:37.240 - Naturally, if you overeat on fat, 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:42.240 or protein, or starch, or sucrose, 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.120 you're gonna get fat. 00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:46.360 (laughing) 00:33:46.360 --> 00:33:52.280 The anti-sugar argument really started back in the '50s. 00:33:57.760 --> 00:34:02.760 And they were having the idea 00:34:02.760 --> 00:34:12.760 of overeating sugar would stimulate 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:18.720 first hypoglycemia and then adrenaline. 00:34:18.720 --> 00:34:25.160 All of the typical hypoglycemia arguments 00:34:26.160 --> 00:34:31.160 which simply are making extreme conclusions 00:34:31.160 --> 00:34:37.280 from a few experiments. 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:41.760 But when you have sucrose with a mixed diet, 00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.160 it's actually a stabilizing effect 00:34:45.160 --> 00:34:47.880 rather than a destabilizing effect, 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.000 which the early arguments were making. 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:56.000 But then an English doctor, John Yitken, 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:57.720 wrote a book and said, 00:34:57.720 --> 00:35:02.720 "Wait, sugar, if you eat an excess of sugar, 00:35:02.720 --> 00:35:07.280 "it turns to saturated fat." 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.280 And the anti-cholesterol, anti-fat argument 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:17.880 that was promoted to sell vegetable oil 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:23.440 had sold the idea of saturated fat 00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.200 as the cause of heart disease. 00:35:26.200 --> 00:35:28.840 And John Yitken said, 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.520 "Wait, sugar causes saturated fat to rise, 00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:35.680 "and so sugar is the cause of heart disease." 00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:40.960 So he had a doubly wrong argument. 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:45.960 But that book was very popular starting in the 1970s, 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.800 and persisted, and then I think it was largely, 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:56.440 I think his name is Robert Lustig, 00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:01.440 a professor of pediatrics in San Francisco, 00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:09.120 made some even stranger arguments, 00:36:09.120 --> 00:36:13.240 saying that fructose is like, 00:36:13.240 --> 00:36:16.160 it's as toxic as alcohol. 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:22.000 And that he, in his famous video, 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:27.720 showed a lot of references 00:36:27.720 --> 00:36:30.120 on the blue screen in the background. 00:36:30.120 --> 00:36:33.440 And I looked up some of his references, 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.320 and once I looked up, 00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.320 it didn't support his argument at all. 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:43.880 In fact, fructose is a very powerful, 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.880 specific antidote to ethanol poisoning. 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.120 Absolutely to reverse what he says. 00:36:52.120 --> 00:36:55.600 And the reason is, 00:36:55.600 --> 00:37:00.680 ethanol, like a high-fat diet, 00:37:00.680 --> 00:37:05.760 shifts the electronic balance 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.720 of the cell metabolism 00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:13.720 in the direction of too many electrons, 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.360 a reducing state. 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:21.360 It's an antidote to fat metabolism poisoning, 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:25.640 and starvation. 00:37:25.640 --> 00:37:33.760 The extreme of the ketogenic principle, 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.760 when you form ketone bodies, 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:43.200 by starving yourself for sugar, 00:37:44.200 --> 00:37:49.200 you're mobilizing fat metabolism, 00:37:49.200 --> 00:37:54.640 and putting yourself in a high-reducing state. 00:37:54.640 --> 00:37:59.000 The opposite of what fructose does to the cell. 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:03.520 - That is a very interesting argument 00:38:03.520 --> 00:38:05.760 that our audience will not like, 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.280 but we like to challenge our views 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:09.360 and challenge everyone's views. 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.440 So, appreciate you sharing. 00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.520 Now we have a follow-up on the sugar. 00:38:14.520 --> 00:38:19.000 - Yeah, so considering we came from a keto 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.600 and then carnivore, zero-carb diet, 00:38:22.600 --> 00:38:25.000 what is the best way for somebody 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.160 to start incorporating sugar 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:30.080 after they have starved for their bodies from it 00:38:30.080 --> 00:38:31.600 for quite some time? 00:38:31.600 --> 00:38:32.720 - Or carbs, yeah. 00:38:38.240 --> 00:38:42.400 I don't think it's a matter of having 00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:44.400 to work gradually into it. 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:50.600 A dose of sugar, as long as it isn't grossly excessive, 00:38:50.600 --> 00:38:59.360 will be the first best antidote to the poisoning 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.640 that you have been experiencing. 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:10.360 In an extreme state of the reducing diet 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:15.360 or the starvation condition, 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:22.080 the ketones derived from outside your body 00:39:22.080 --> 00:39:27.080 are actually a good, safe energy source. 00:39:27.080 --> 00:39:34.040 So if you get ketones from fruits and vegetables, 00:39:35.160 --> 00:39:39.320 those are just like sugar, 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.960 they're protective and start the repair process 00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:48.200 of lowering the stress hormones, 00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:53.200 getting you out of the reducing stress condition, 00:39:53.200 --> 00:39:57.920 starting up the cellular oxidation again. 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:04.120 And either the ketones from the outside, 00:40:04.520 --> 00:40:09.520 found in vegetables and fruits or sugars, 00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:11.040 are the essential thing 00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:15.600 for getting your oxidative metabolism going again. 00:40:15.600 --> 00:40:19.960 - So what do you say to someone who says, 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.960 well, in the past, like our ancestors, 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.120 they didn't have access to carbohydrates, 00:40:25.120 --> 00:40:27.160 and so they were certainly fat-fueled, 00:40:27.160 --> 00:40:30.840 like they relied on animal meat and animal fats. 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:37.040 - Well, if you look at primates, 00:40:37.040 --> 00:40:43.600 fruits, it happens that the longest-lived 00:40:43.600 --> 00:40:50.400 in proportion to body size primate is the squirrel monkey. 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:58.960 They have a pure fruit diet, 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.760 and they're the size of a squirrel, 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:10.480 but they live an average of 30 years, 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.840 which for their body sizes is a very long time. 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:20.840 And brain development is in proportion 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:26.040 to the amount of sugar that can be provided 00:41:26.040 --> 00:41:29.200 to the developing nerve tissue. 00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:35.200 It requires sugar energy. 00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:42.560 It's a very high oxidizing tissue, 00:41:42.560 --> 00:41:45.320 and that oxidation has to be based 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.280 on sugar, on glucose specifically. 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.360 And to develop a brain, 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.840 the primates have to have a relatively high 00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.000 carbohydrate diet. 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.000 Chimpanzees don't get as much carbohydrate 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.400 as the fruit-eating monkeys, 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.840 and for their body size, 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:18.840 they aren't especially either long-lived or intelligent. 00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:24.080 The squirrel monkey has a huge brain 00:42:24.080 --> 00:42:26.160 in proportion to its body size. 00:42:26.160 --> 00:42:31.960 Chimpanzees and gorillas have relatively small brains. 00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.720 - So someone would then make the argument 00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:40.760 that homo sapiens are quite different than chimpanzees. 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:44.680 So for example, vitamin B12 in the gut digestive tract, 00:42:44.680 --> 00:42:46.440 so just example of some of the differences. 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.480 So someone could argue that we are 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.000 drastically different from them. 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:56.080 And so is there any evidence from our early lineage 00:42:56.080 --> 00:43:01.080 that carbohydrates were beneficial as opposed to ketosis? 00:43:01.080 --> 00:43:11.240 - There is fossil evidence 00:43:11.240 --> 00:43:15.000 that the isotopes can be interpreted 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.800 to show the importance of carbohydrate 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.400 in brain development. 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.680 For example, one of the African 00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:30.400 precursors of homo sapiens 00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:36.720 lived on a type of giant grass, 00:43:36.720 --> 00:43:38.400 sort of like sugar cane. 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.040 They had specially developed molars 00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:47.240 for mashing the sugary juice 00:43:47.240 --> 00:43:52.240 out of this reed along the Nile River. 00:43:52.240 --> 00:43:55.240 And they had very well-developed brains. 00:43:55.240 --> 00:44:02.880 So many of the arguments are extremely ideological. 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:14.120 They have an idea of what they think 00:44:14.120 --> 00:44:15.840 human beings should be. 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:20.040 And so they have shaped their evidence 00:44:20.040 --> 00:44:22.520 basically to fit the argument. 00:44:22.520 --> 00:44:24.720 - And I've heard you say many times 00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:28.920 that our environment right now is very different 00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.040 than environment of early homo sapiens, 00:44:32.040 --> 00:44:34.520 where we face a lot more stress from, for example, 00:44:34.520 --> 00:44:38.800 like 5G and other sorts of life stresses 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.520 like pollution, et cetera. 00:44:40.520 --> 00:44:42.880 So I think that that's something to think about 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:43.840 for the audience as well, 00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.680 is like potentially our needs as human species now 00:44:47.680 --> 00:44:50.200 is different than it was X years ago. 00:44:50.200 --> 00:44:53.720 Is that true of what you kind of believe? 00:44:53.720 --> 00:44:59.240 - Yeah, in just the last 50 years 00:44:59.240 --> 00:45:02.000 in the United States in particular, 00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.680 but all around the Northern Hemisphere, 00:45:06.680 --> 00:45:10.760 conditions have radically changed. 00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.080 For example, in 1963, 00:45:14.080 --> 00:45:20.120 there was a competitive hydrogen bomb testing spree 00:45:20.120 --> 00:45:27.720 in both Soviet Union and the United States 00:45:27.720 --> 00:45:32.720 that loaded the whole atmosphere of the Northern Hemisphere 00:45:32.720 --> 00:45:37.960 with immense amounts of radioactive isotopes. 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.280 So starting in 1963, 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:48.400 babies were exposed 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:53.400 to brain damaging amounts of radiation 00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.160 concentrated in the uterus 00:45:57.160 --> 00:46:00.440 and affecting brain development. 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:06.360 And roughly in the same generation, 00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:12.040 the vaccination mania was instituted, 00:46:12.040 --> 00:46:15.880 especially in the United States, 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.520 rising to a horrible peak 00:46:19.520 --> 00:46:24.520 of something like 60 vaccinations per child 00:46:24.520 --> 00:46:30.000 in recent decades. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.560 So these terrible environmental influences 00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:40.440 have become universal 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.880 and have to be taken into account. 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:47.400 And radiation damage, for example, 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.240 is amplified by polyunsaturated fats 00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:55.480 and by estrogens. 00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:01.360 In fact, estrogen and polyunsaturated fats 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:05.160 synergize in tissue damage 00:47:05.160 --> 00:47:07.960 with ionizing radiation. 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.240 Their effects are essentially similar 00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:18.000 and overlapping and synergistic. 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:21.240 - So there's just some things 00:47:21.240 --> 00:47:24.120 we cannot control in our environment, 00:47:24.120 --> 00:47:25.800 but we can control our diet. 00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.880 So I just have one more follow-up question 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.680 on the sugar and the carbs. 00:47:30.680 --> 00:47:32.320 What would you say to somebody 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.800 who has type 1 or type 2 diabetes? 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.040 'Cause I know that you definitely do prefer 00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:40.360 our main fuel source, tuby carbs, 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.160 but so many people seem to be going 00:47:42.160 --> 00:47:45.520 to a low-carb diet to manage these conditions. 00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:52.000 - The first thing to consider is 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.520 what do they mean that they have type 1 00:47:54.520 --> 00:47:56.640 or type 2 diabetes? 00:47:56.640 --> 00:47:59.080 For 50 years or more, 00:47:59.080 --> 00:48:04.080 I've been talking to people who've had that diagnosis 00:48:04.080 --> 00:48:07.920 and I asked them how it was diagnosed. 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.280 You, in principle, can't diagnose type 1 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.560 without actually doing a blood test for insulin. 00:48:17.560 --> 00:48:23.920 But out of hundreds of people I've talked to, 00:48:26.600 --> 00:48:30.640 only half a dozen or so actually had their insulin measured, 00:48:30.640 --> 00:48:35.640 but they were immediately treated for diabetes 00:48:35.640 --> 00:48:40.320 without a rational diagnosis. 00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:44.720 For cancer or diabetes or anything, 00:48:44.720 --> 00:48:51.400 first step is to understand what was meant. 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:58.960 Was the blood glucose the basis for the diagnosis? 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:05.120 In kids, that's often all that's measured. 00:49:05.120 --> 00:49:11.520 The most common cause for high glucose 00:49:11.520 --> 00:49:16.520 is stress causing unopposed cortisol secretion. 00:49:16.520 --> 00:49:23.200 So if you don't measure for either insulin or cortisol, 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.320 you might be doing exactly the wrong treatment 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.240 to lower cortisol. 00:49:31.240 --> 00:49:35.160 Sugar is the most powerful treatment. 00:49:35.160 --> 00:49:41.960 And two doctors in France and England 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.560 in the late 19th century 00:49:44.560 --> 00:49:50.600 were curing terminal diabetic patients 00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:57.080 that they would eat a normal meal, 00:49:57.080 --> 00:50:00.240 lots of protein, for example, 00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:03.480 but their muscles were wasting away 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.520 even when they didn't eat sugar. 00:50:06.520 --> 00:50:10.800 They would eat steak, for example. 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.800 It would show up in their urine as very high glucose 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:22.200 and their body was disappearing week by week 00:50:23.080 --> 00:50:27.920 but when they fed them 12 ounces a day 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:30.920 of ordinary white sugar 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.920 as well as a standard meat and potatoes diet, 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.160 they recovered. 00:50:37.160 --> 00:50:38.280 - Wow. 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.720 I heard Matt Blackburn talking about these studies 00:50:40.720 --> 00:50:45.040 and how they were removed from scientific literature, 00:50:45.040 --> 00:50:46.480 like access to them, 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:50.240 but he said he just bought a book on Amazon 00:50:50.240 --> 00:50:52.440 from the British literature of medicine, 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.520 I don't know, some year, 1860 something, 00:50:55.520 --> 00:50:57.960 and he now has access to those studies. 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:00.640 So it'll be interesting for him to post those. 00:51:00.640 --> 00:51:02.520 So you have seen those studies? 00:51:02.520 --> 00:51:08.000 - So I haven't seen that book. 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:08.840 - Okay. 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:10.640 But it's interesting 00:51:10.640 --> 00:51:13.280 'cause that's just not talked about anymore. 00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:14.720 So I think it's an interesting perspective 00:51:14.720 --> 00:51:17.200 that maybe someone should consider. 00:51:17.200 --> 00:51:21.280 But moving on to the final nutrition question that we have, 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.200 and this was a very popular question from our audience. 00:51:24.200 --> 00:51:27.280 So Dr. Peat, let's say that you were about 50 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.240 or 60 pounds overweight, 00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:32.680 what would you do to lose weight? 00:51:32.680 --> 00:51:37.240 - First, stop eating for a while 00:51:37.240 --> 00:51:43.640 and then go on a low-fat milk and cheese diet 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:48.360 with a little bit of orange juice 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.520 and an occasional egg and oyster. 00:51:52.520 --> 00:51:58.440 Calcium and vitamin D 00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:04.240 are supportive of the thyroid hormone. 00:52:04.240 --> 00:52:10.280 It's good to check your thyroid hormone and vitamin D 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.320 if you're at all overweight 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:18.320 because a deficiency of those is extremely common 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:22.680 and slows the metabolism. 00:52:22.680 --> 00:52:28.880 A high PUFA intake will suppress your vitamin D metabolism 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.720 as well as your thyroid metabolism. 00:52:32.720 --> 00:52:35.520 So making sure those are good. 00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:40.520 And you want to lower the phosphate in your diet 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.360 relative to calcium. 00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:48.320 And so milk and cheese as a staple of your diet 00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:53.320 will tremendously increase your heat production 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:58.080 and energy metabolism, oxygen consumption, 00:52:58.080 --> 00:53:03.040 and make it much easier to lose weight. 00:53:03.040 --> 00:53:08.040 And then the foods, moderate amounts of egg, 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:11.800 shellfish such as oysters, 00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:16.800 and some orange juice will provide essential nutrients 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.960 and anti-inflammatory things 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.800 that support your background metabolism. 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.400 - I think that's great. 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.280 That's like the first time I've heard somebody 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.560 describe a weight loss diet 00:53:33.560 --> 00:53:37.000 that isn't purely focused on calories, 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:39.800 but instead focused on still getting 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.680 the necessary nutrients that your organs need 00:53:42.680 --> 00:53:44.280 to function optimally. 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.760 But would you still say that calories still do matter? 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.280 He said, yeah, like so eat less. 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:54.520 - Yeah, but the difference is that 00:53:54.520 --> 00:53:57.240 a person who has been dieting 00:53:57.240 --> 00:54:00.920 very often will be burning calories 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.920 at a rate of seven or 800 calories per day. 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:10.960 And so they get fat on just a few snacks. 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.440 But when you shift over, 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.760 making sure your vitamin D and thyroid are okay, 00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.240 but shift over to a high calcium to phosphate ratio 00:54:22.240 --> 00:54:27.240 in your diet, not much meat, not much ordinary fish, 00:54:27.240 --> 00:54:35.320 but enough shellfish for the trace minerals. 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.120 The high calcium phosphate ratio 00:54:38.120 --> 00:54:43.960 and high protein relative to fat 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:50.280 with the rest of it carbohydrate enough 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:52.840 so that you handle the protein 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.240 and fat metabolism without stress. 00:54:55.240 --> 00:55:01.160 That will very quickly increase your calorie consumption 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.280 from seven or 800 a day up to the normal 2000 per day, 00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:14.520 making it tremendously easier to lose weight. 00:55:14.520 --> 00:55:19.480 And as you stay out of the stress condition, 00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.760 your muscles are going to recover. 00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.720 You'll put on weight in the form of muscle 00:55:25.720 --> 00:55:32.040 as part of your ability to burn 1000 or 1500 calories 00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:35.080 per day. 00:55:35.080 --> 00:55:39.160 So your muscles are then going to take over 00:55:39.160 --> 00:55:43.040 to continuing weight regulation. 00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:48.720 - So in terms of increasing the metabolic rate, 00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:50.680 can we cover potentially some supplements 00:55:50.680 --> 00:55:52.760 that would be able to help that? 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.240 What supplements do you think are beneficial 00:55:56.240 --> 00:55:58.840 that we still can get in foods, 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.360 but we may benefit from having more, supplementing more? 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:08.480 - You get all of your trace minerals from the seafoods, 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:11.240 especially shellfish. 00:56:11.240 --> 00:56:17.160 And if eggs and milk aren't producing enough vitamins, 00:56:17.160 --> 00:56:25.800 you can occasionally add a little bit of liver 00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:30.400 into your diet, which will have both trace minerals 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.760 and vitamins in abundance. 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.000 So liver and oysters, 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:41.160 you can think of them as your supplements. 00:56:41.160 --> 00:56:44.920 Have one serving of those per week. 00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:49.920 And it's much better than a hundred hours a month 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:55.040 spent on supplements and much safer 00:56:55.040 --> 00:56:58.640 because there is no supplement on the market 00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:03.120 that isn't contaminated with manufacturing debris, 00:57:03.120 --> 00:57:08.360 basically stuff that can't be kept out 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:10.840 of the chemical processes. 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:16.680 - So you emphasized vitamin D earlier in this conversation. 00:57:16.680 --> 00:57:20.040 So what about somebody who maybe in their winter months 00:57:20.040 --> 00:57:21.520 can't get as much sun? 00:57:21.520 --> 00:57:24.560 Would you still advise against supplementing with vitamin D? 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:30.400 - Yeah, but only in a proper safe vehicle. 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:38.680 It's available in pure olive oil, 00:57:38.680 --> 00:57:42.120 sulfate capsules and drops both. 00:57:42.120 --> 00:57:44.960 - One other question about supplements. 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.480 I know you recommend aspirin a lot, 00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:49.480 and I know there's a lot of information out there 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.320 on how you feel about aspirin. 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.160 Could you just clarify who you think 00:57:54.160 --> 00:57:55.800 should be taking aspirin, 00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:58.960 if it's for everybody or a certain condition? 00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:04.680 - Everyone, even on a good diet, 00:58:04.680 --> 00:58:07.040 milk for example, 00:58:07.040 --> 00:58:13.240 1% milk has still a small amount of PUFA. 00:58:13.240 --> 00:58:18.760 3% of the fat roughly is highly unsaturated. 00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:23.120 And we're all tending at different rates 00:58:23.120 --> 00:58:27.200 to accumulate polyunsaturated fats in our tissues. 00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:33.200 And so with aging, aspirin becomes a defensive material. 00:58:33.200 --> 00:58:43.160 Since we have the PUFA in our tissues, 00:58:43.160 --> 00:58:48.160 any little stress is going to lead it to break down 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.040 into these inflammatory things such as prostaglandins. 00:58:52.040 --> 00:58:58.360 And so in proportion to your tissue load, 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.240 which varies with your diet and age, 00:59:01.240 --> 00:59:04.920 aspirin can be very protective. 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.920 Vitamin E has similar anti-inflammatory aspirin-like actions. 00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:14.640 - Okay, yeah, we just added in some vitamin E 00:59:14.640 --> 00:59:16.120 to protect against some of these things. 00:59:16.120 --> 00:59:18.280 - I haven't done the aspirin yet. 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:19.480 - Yeah. 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.080 - So when you do the aspirin, 00:59:21.080 --> 00:59:22.680 you just take like one pill a day, 00:59:22.680 --> 00:59:26.520 or is it a certain dose per week that you would recommend? 00:59:26.520 --> 00:59:33.440 - I think once a person is over 50 or 60, 00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:39.560 a standard pill per day is fine 00:59:39.560 --> 00:59:44.560 as long as they are sure to keep their vitamin K level up. 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:49.400 If your vitamin K level is low, 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:54.400 you'll bleed very easily and aspirin will intensify that. 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.280 But if you have a good vitamin K intake 00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:03.280 from liver and aged cheese, for example, 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:09.040 then the aspirin is not going to increase 01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:11.920 your bleeding risk. 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:13.440 - Okay, that's an important note. 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.280 So we kind of wanted to dive in a little bit more 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.080 about some underlying questions we still have 01:00:18.080 --> 01:00:20.040 about female hormones in fertility, 01:00:20.040 --> 01:00:23.200 because I know you put so much work into this topic, 01:00:23.200 --> 01:00:25.560 which I think is just incredible. 01:00:25.560 --> 01:00:27.920 So first question, 01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.800 it kind of goes along the lines of our journey. 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:33.280 What is your opinion on a low carb diet 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.760 or fasting for female hormones? 01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.240 - For what? 01:00:39.240 --> 01:00:40.440 - For female hormones, 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.360 like the implications that following a prolonged low carb diet 01:00:44.360 --> 01:00:46.960 or doing prolonged fasts could have 01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:48.920 on female hormones in fertility. 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:53.560 - Very harmful. 01:00:53.560 --> 01:01:00.040 Fasting increases your free fatty acids going too long 01:01:00.040 --> 01:01:06.800 without food. 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.360 And if you're in very good health, 01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:14.280 you can stand at least eight hours without stress. 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:18.880 But the lower your reserves are, 01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:26.560 more often you should replenish your carbohydrates. 01:01:26.560 --> 01:01:32.000 Going for a long time without carbohydrates 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.400 or total fasting, 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:39.400 your free fatty acids will increase in your blood. 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:44.160 And the presence of free fatty acids, 01:01:44.160 --> 01:01:50.120 as the glucose decreases, 01:01:50.120 --> 01:01:54.440 the balance of free fatty acid 01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:59.200 turns off the ability to oxidize glucose, 01:01:59.200 --> 01:02:05.280 blocks the ability to process pyruvic acid. 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:10.280 to process pyruvic acid 01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.920 to carbon dioxide production. 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:18.000 And instead of turning the carbon dioxide, 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:22.000 the pyruvic acid turns into lactic acid. 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:27.840 And the lactic acid is responsible 01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.520 for shifting the electron balance of the whole system. 01:02:33.240 --> 01:02:37.480 So once your blood balance 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.880 between free fatty acids and glucose 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.760 reaches a dominance of fat, 01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:50.080 your lactic acid level automatically goes up 01:02:50.080 --> 01:02:53.640 and that shifts your whole body 01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:58.640 into the stress, reducing stress condition. 01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:03.800 And that means that you have an instantly diabetic 01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:08.680 or cancer-like metabolism. 01:03:08.680 --> 01:03:15.480 Diabetes metabolism is just a way 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:19.520 of describing the long range effect 01:03:19.520 --> 01:03:24.360 of not enough sugar being metabolized 01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:29.360 because we mobilize fat in proportion 01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.000 to a loss of glucose. 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:38.080 Mobilizing fat blocks the use of pyruvic acid, 01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:43.680 therefore increases lactic acid. 01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:47.960 Lactic acid turns on that whole system 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.400 known as the cancer metabolism 01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:55.000 or the diabetes metabolism or the inflammatory metabolism. 01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:02.920 All of those conditions are really instantaneous expressions 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:06.280 of the absence of glucose. 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:09.320 And when they become a disease, 01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:13.680 it's because that process has been continued too long. 01:04:13.680 --> 01:04:19.800 - So it's hard to deny some of the success stories 01:04:20.120 --> 01:04:23.840 that you have heard from some people coming from, 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:25.480 I don't know if it was more of a carb-based 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:27.360 or just more standard American diet 01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.120 that was higher in PUFA. 01:04:29.120 --> 01:04:30.440 A lot of people have, 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.520 some women have regained their period 01:04:33.520 --> 01:04:36.480 and have lost weight and have felt better 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:41.120 by going to a lower carb or zero carb diet. 01:04:41.120 --> 01:04:43.880 Can you explain potentially what would happen? 01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:45.840 - What that usually means, 01:04:48.160 --> 01:04:53.160 they'll sometimes cure insomnia or epilepsy 01:04:53.160 --> 01:04:55.480 or lots of things. 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.040 Now what it usually means 01:04:57.040 --> 01:05:01.480 is they've been eating the standard Western diet, 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:07.600 bread, legumes, processed foods, 01:05:07.600 --> 01:05:14.240 of various starchy and oily composition. 01:05:14.240 --> 01:05:19.200 And very often they'll increase their consumption 01:05:19.200 --> 01:05:24.200 of meat and fish and eggs and cheese, for example. 01:05:24.200 --> 01:05:31.560 They see it as a decrease of carbohydrate, 01:05:31.560 --> 01:05:36.560 but what it usually amounts to in the United States 01:05:36.560 --> 01:05:41.640 is a reduction of toxic foods. 01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:45.040 - A reduction of PUFAs 01:05:45.040 --> 01:05:47.600 and then they're increasing the amount of nutrients 01:05:47.600 --> 01:05:50.560 they're getting from things like meat and eggs and dairy. 01:05:50.560 --> 01:05:57.400 - Yeah, meat and cheese and eggs, for example, 01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:02.760 don't contain inflammatory materials, 01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:07.760 such as the average pasta and bread-containing diet. 01:06:09.640 --> 01:06:14.640 - A large reason some people do lose their periods is PCOS. 01:06:14.640 --> 01:06:18.160 What do you recommend for somebody with PCOS? 01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:22.760 - Vitamin D and calcium would be the first thing, 01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:26.120 and then checking thyroid function. 01:06:26.120 --> 01:06:28.480 - Okay, so similar to the losing of the weight. 01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:32.720 - Yeah, and vitamin D deficiency 01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:37.240 is now a very commonly recognized cause. 01:06:37.240 --> 01:06:40.000 But experimentally, 50 years ago, 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.200 they could produce it in animals 01:06:42.200 --> 01:06:46.000 by making them hypothyroid 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:50.640 and giving them a glenadal stimulation 01:06:50.640 --> 01:06:52.320 to increase their estrogen. 01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:59.200 So the estrogen, if they're low thyroid, 01:06:59.200 --> 01:07:04.520 they can turn cholesterol into progesterone. 01:07:05.080 --> 01:07:10.080 And if they're at the same time stimulated with estrogen, 01:07:10.080 --> 01:07:17.560 the adrenal glands become overactive 01:07:17.560 --> 01:07:20.920 and start producing the androgens 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:26.880 and the whole system shifts, 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:31.320 but increasing the metabolic rate, 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:35.480 the ability to use oxygen by increasing vitamin D 01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:37.280 and calcium along with thyroid 01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.760 can break you out of that cycle. 01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:45.680 - Cool, so why do you recommend females and also males 01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:49.840 to monitor their temperature and pulse? 01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:52.120 So what is your goal tracking those? 01:07:52.120 --> 01:07:53.400 What do those markers say 01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:55.800 and what should we look for for those values? 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.680 - If you take your temperature and pulse rate 01:08:01.680 --> 01:08:03.320 when you first wake up 01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:06.600 and then sometime later in the day, 01:08:06.600 --> 01:08:11.040 you'll learn many, many things. 01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:17.000 A very hypothyroid or nutrient deficient person 01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:22.800 will have extreme stress hormones during the night, 01:08:24.120 --> 01:08:28.480 but not enough thyroid hormone and calcium and vitamin D 01:08:28.480 --> 01:08:32.480 to maintain their metabolic rate. 01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:35.760 And so what happens is high cortisol 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:41.720 will turn your protein, good tissues 01:08:41.720 --> 01:08:45.680 into the essential glucose that you need. 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:49.440 It's like starvation or a ketogenic diet. 01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:52.760 The high cortisol takes over 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:57.760 to provide the essential amount of glucose. 01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:02.800 And so high cortisol becomes extreme around dawn 01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:09.200 and your waking temperature will be abnormally high 01:09:09.200 --> 01:09:14.280 even though your metabolic rate oxidatively is low. 01:09:16.160 --> 01:09:18.320 And then if you eat breakfast, 01:09:18.320 --> 01:09:20.480 have some orange juice for example, 01:09:20.480 --> 01:09:26.520 and your pulse slows and your temperature falls, 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.160 that shows that it was cortisol 01:09:30.160 --> 01:09:34.200 causing the high market temperature. 01:09:34.200 --> 01:09:40.200 So a falling pulse with food is an anti-stress sign. 01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:46.720 And when you get your night stress hormones down 01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:54.280 by eating a more balanced diet with adequate carbohydrate, 01:09:54.280 --> 01:10:01.320 then if you have a very low morning temperature 01:10:01.320 --> 01:10:06.720 and you're slow to rise to 98.6 or 37 Celsius, 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:14.920 if you don't quickly get up to the functional temperature, 01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:21.760 that's a typical low thyroid sign. 01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:26.040 In the absence of extreme night stress, 01:10:26.040 --> 01:10:31.040 your waking temperature might be 95 or 96 degrees Fahrenheit 01:10:31.040 --> 01:10:38.400 or it should be not far below 98 degrees at waking. 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:40.720 - So it's a good way to measure 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:42.320 the functioning of your thyroid. 01:10:42.320 --> 01:10:47.920 - Yeah, and also very often of your cortisol. 01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:51.240 - Okay, what about somebody who is waking up 01:10:51.240 --> 01:10:53.880 very frequently throughout the night to go pee? 01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:56.040 Is that a sign of high cortisol? 01:10:56.040 --> 01:11:02.880 - Yeah, sometimes just increased calcium and vitamin D 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:04.720 will take care of that. 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:10.560 Other times thyroid is responsible. 01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:11.800 - Okay, great. 01:11:11.800 --> 01:11:15.440 So if someone has a lot of thyroid problems, 01:11:15.440 --> 01:11:19.920 do you ever recommend specific thyroid tests 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:22.280 or potentially thyroid supplementation? 01:11:22.280 --> 01:11:28.720 - Yeah, the morning temperature and pulse rate check 01:11:28.720 --> 01:11:32.440 is extremely effective, 01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:36.520 but it's good to have a backup blood test. 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:41.920 Healthy people, I've never seen anyone 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:46.800 without some of the hypothyroid signs and symptoms. 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:51.480 If their TSH was very much above 1.0, 01:11:51.480 --> 01:11:58.040 where the normal range goes all the way up to 4 or 5.0. 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:05.560 And they say it's abnormal to be below 0.4 01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:14.200 at the low end of the range on the TSH. 01:12:14.200 --> 01:12:19.200 But when people have looked at a big population 01:12:19.200 --> 01:12:25.480 and the frequency of thyroid problems, 01:12:25.480 --> 01:12:29.400 such as especially thyroid cancer, 01:12:30.400 --> 01:12:35.400 they found that areas where people 01:12:35.400 --> 01:12:38.880 have no higher than 0.4, 01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:45.600 where everyone was below normal on their TSH, 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:49.720 meaning by the medical definition 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:52.240 that they would be hyperthyroid. 01:12:52.240 --> 01:12:55.320 Those people were free of thyroid cancer. 01:12:56.480 --> 01:13:01.480 And what that means is that the chronic cumulative exposure 01:13:01.480 --> 01:13:09.360 of the thyroid gland to the TSH pituitary hormone, 01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:14.960 that is carcinogenic, leads to decomposition, 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:20.040 formation of nodules in the gland, 01:13:20.040 --> 01:13:23.800 and ultimately a risk of thyroid cancer. 01:13:25.160 --> 01:13:30.160 So it's very good to know what your TSH is, 01:13:30.160 --> 01:13:32.720 even though the doctor's going to tell you 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:37.720 it's perfectly normal to have 2 or 3 or 4.0 on the test. 01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:44.640 If you also had your cholesterol measured, 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:52.400 in a large population, the cholesterol rises 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:56.920 exactly as TSH rises. 01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:01.920 And so as you improve your diet or supplement thyroid 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:08.600 to reduce other symptoms, such as ovarian reproductive 01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:15.080 problems, as your TSH goes down, 01:14:15.080 --> 01:14:18.800 your cholesterol approaches normal, 01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:23.280 decreases along with the TSH. 01:14:23.280 --> 01:14:24.600 - Okay. 01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:27.640 So considering this is all about the thyroid, 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:29.880 what would be the number one thing you'd recommend 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.240 for somebody to start improving the function 01:14:32.240 --> 01:14:34.320 of their thyroid if that TSH-- 01:14:34.320 --> 01:14:37.760 - Cutting out all the unfeterated fats. 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:38.600 - Right on. 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.280 Okay, that seems to be the general theme 01:14:42.280 --> 01:14:43.480 with your nutrition. 01:14:43.480 --> 01:14:47.560 Okay, let's see here. 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:49.640 One final question about the hormones. 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:54.240 Should women approach nutrition differently 01:14:54.240 --> 01:14:58.240 from their fertile years to post-menopausal years? 01:14:58.240 --> 01:15:07.560 - Recognizing that the menopause is reflecting 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:13.600 primarily a failure in your ability to make progesterone, 01:15:14.240 --> 01:15:19.240 and that that leaves all of the cells of your body 01:15:19.240 --> 01:15:23.000 under increased stress, 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:29.000 tending to cause them to begin producing estrogen. 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:34.200 So menopause is a condition of increased estrogen exposure 01:15:34.200 --> 01:15:38.600 and symptoms. 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:43.600 And for example, post-menopausal women are the ones 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:48.640 who are susceptible to sickness from the coronavirus. 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:54.680 Menstruating women are much, much less likely 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:58.400 to have any symptoms from the virus. 01:15:58.400 --> 01:16:00.800 - And would you say that's because of progesterone? 01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:06.160 - Progesterone can be supplemented, 01:16:06.160 --> 01:16:12.080 but the important thing is to watch your thyroid function 01:16:13.080 --> 01:16:18.080 and your nutrition, and use your cholesterol levels, 01:16:18.080 --> 01:16:24.280 for example, as one of the indicators 01:16:24.280 --> 01:16:29.280 of what's going on with your progesterone and estrogen. 01:16:29.280 --> 01:16:32.920 - So if we connect all these dots, 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.280 the best thing you could do for all of this, 01:16:35.280 --> 01:16:36.880 including coronavirus, 01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:40.480 is to significantly reduce your intake of PUFAS. 01:16:41.480 --> 01:16:42.400 - Oh, yeah. 01:16:42.400 --> 01:16:46.760 - The cholesterol connection is very interesting 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.240 because I have had high cholesterol 01:16:49.240 --> 01:16:52.040 for quite a long time now, and I also have amenorrhea, 01:16:52.040 --> 01:16:54.200 and I kind of never made that connection 01:16:54.200 --> 01:16:57.320 that I have a lot of extra cholesterol in my body 01:16:57.320 --> 01:17:01.080 because my body is not properly converting it into hormones. 01:17:01.080 --> 01:17:03.520 You kind of forget that cholesterol, 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:04.920 I sometimes forget that cholesterol 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:06.520 is used to produce these hormones. 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.320 And so it's interesting that cholesterol will drop 01:17:10.320 --> 01:17:14.040 as your hormone-producing capabilities improve. 01:17:14.040 --> 01:17:17.600 And so I'm curious when I test my cholesterol again, 01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:19.960 once I get my period back, 01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:22.840 I'm curious what the level will be then. 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:28.880 - In an experiment, someone isolated an ovary 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:33.560 and measured in the vein coming out 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:36.040 the amount of progesterone, 01:17:36.040 --> 01:17:39.840 and then they varied the amount of cholesterol 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:43.280 in the artery going into the ovary. 01:17:43.280 --> 01:17:46.280 And as they increased the amount of cholesterol 01:17:46.280 --> 01:17:49.080 in the blood, the amount of progesterone 01:17:49.080 --> 01:17:52.000 coming out of the ovary directly increased. 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:54.360 - Very interesting. 01:17:54.360 --> 01:18:00.680 - An increase of cholesterol in hypothyroidism 01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:04.840 is exactly because your body needs it 01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:09.200 to make up for the fact that progesterone, 01:18:09.200 --> 01:18:13.200 thyroid is the essential factor 01:18:13.200 --> 01:18:16.760 for making the conversion of cholesterol to progesterone. 01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:21.480 - Okay, and typically will carb diets 01:18:21.480 --> 01:18:22.680 increase your cholesterol? 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.520 - Yeah, I certainly, my cholesterol was a lot higher 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:29.000 when I was on zero carb, got up to like 490. 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.680 And I don't know, a lot of people 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:32.760 in the keto carnivore space, 01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:37.600 I even said this, ketone production 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.440 and cholesterol production, LDL cholesterol production 01:18:40.440 --> 01:18:41.960 are on the same pathway. 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:44.080 And so if you increase your ketone production, 01:18:44.080 --> 01:18:45.680 you will automatically increase 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.120 your LDL production as well. 01:18:48.120 --> 01:18:51.520 So it's just interesting that you see higher cholesterol 01:18:51.520 --> 01:18:55.440 in some of these individuals who are low carb, zero carb. 01:18:55.440 --> 01:18:57.920 I was certainly one of those, what was it called? 01:18:57.920 --> 01:18:59.520 - Hyper- 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:01.400 - Lean mass hyper-responder. 01:19:01.400 --> 01:19:06.680 - If your liver is under extreme stress, 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:11.160 its ability to make cholesterol can begin to fail. 01:19:11.160 --> 01:19:16.160 And so it's much worse to be deficient 01:19:16.160 --> 01:19:21.560 in blood cholesterol than to be excessive in it. 01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:26.720 The increase in cholesterol shows that you're adapting, 01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.440 your liver is able to help your ovaries 01:19:30.440 --> 01:19:33.800 and adrenals make the steroids. 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.320 - That's really interesting. 01:19:36.320 --> 01:19:39.120 - If your liver is in trouble, 01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:41.720 then you can't make enough cholesterol. 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:42.560 - That's really interesting 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:44.840 'cause it seems like there's a group of individuals 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:46.680 who have normal cholesterol levels 01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:47.720 and then a group of individuals 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:49.800 who have higher cholesterol levels. 01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:50.880 And like I said, this was called 01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:53.000 like the lean mass hyper-responder group. 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.520 And so potentially the difference between those two groups 01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.640 is potentially the liver functionality. 01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.480 - If someone is deficient, 01:20:00.480 --> 01:20:05.320 for sure it's the liver that's the main problem. 01:20:06.320 --> 01:20:11.320 - Over the age of 50, 01:20:11.320 --> 01:20:16.680 a big study in aging people 01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:22.040 found that if you didn't have 01:20:22.040 --> 01:20:28.440 well over 200 level of cholesterol 01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:31.880 in your older years, 01:20:31.880 --> 01:20:36.880 your likelihood of being dependent was greatly increased 01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:42.240 because the anti-stress progesterone and so on 01:20:42.240 --> 01:20:47.880 is essential for protecting the brain. 01:20:47.880 --> 01:20:52.880 And if you're under 200 cholesterol and in your 50s, 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:55.800 then you're in serious trouble. 01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:59.480 - Yeah, there seems to be some sort of like, 01:20:59.480 --> 01:21:01.600 the argument is there's a like a protective effect 01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.600 for LDL cholesterol, it's wrongly demonized. 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:08.080 - Right, right. 01:21:08.080 --> 01:21:14.000 And estrogen and many toxic substances 01:21:14.000 --> 01:21:19.600 are known to lower the good LDL cholesterol 01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:24.080 and increase the HDL. 01:21:24.080 --> 01:21:29.080 So poisoning can cause what the doctors consider 01:21:29.840 --> 01:21:31.320 a healthy shift. 01:21:31.320 --> 01:21:34.920 - So we're at an hour and a half now. 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:37.360 And so we don't wanna take up more of your time. 01:21:37.360 --> 01:21:39.080 We'll have to get you back on another time. 01:21:39.080 --> 01:21:41.560 We've really enjoyed discussing with you 01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:45.440 and kind of digging into some of these topics. 01:21:45.440 --> 01:21:49.160 What are the best resources people can go to 01:21:49.160 --> 01:21:52.560 to learn the basics of your approach, 01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:54.680 such as like a website or a newsletter? 01:21:57.080 --> 01:22:02.080 - Yeah, my website is raypeat.com. 01:22:02.080 --> 01:22:08.560 - And can people subscribe to your newsletter 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:09.640 on your website? 01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:16.520 - No, but you can get the information about subscribing 01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:22.080 at raypeatsnewsletter@gmail.com. 01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:25.400 - Okay. 01:22:26.160 --> 01:22:27.000 - So if you made it this far, 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:28.080 thank you for hanging out with us 01:22:28.080 --> 01:22:31.200 and watching this video of us. 01:22:31.200 --> 01:22:33.440 I hope that you had some takeaways 01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:36.080 and challenged some of your beliefs. 01:22:36.080 --> 01:22:38.480 Many of you all likely disagreed with some of his things 01:22:38.480 --> 01:22:39.640 and that is okay. 01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:42.160 We all agree to disagree. 01:22:42.160 --> 01:22:44.360 So like we said, if you have any more questions 01:22:44.360 --> 01:22:47.680 for Dr. Ray P, make sure you hit him in the comments below 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:49.160 and we hope to be able to have him on again 01:22:49.160 --> 01:22:50.480 for another great discussion 01:22:50.480 --> 01:22:53.040 where you can just stare at us while he talks. 01:22:53.040 --> 01:22:53.880 It's great. 01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:55.120 But until next time, you guys, 01:22:55.120 --> 01:22:57.960 make sure you are behaving like an angel. 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.480 Make sure you are behaving like an angel