WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.000 >> Hi, Ray. 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:02.000 How are you? 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:03.000 >> Hi. 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:04.000 Very well. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:05.000 >> Great. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.000 Well, I appreciate you doing this today. 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.000 I think it will be fun to share a conversation. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:13.000 I was hoping to approach the topic of the COVID "vaccine," talk about the question of is this 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:26.000 COVID pandemic stuff ever going to go away, questioning the legitimacy of this mRNA injection 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:32.000 for anyone, including otherwise energetic, healthy young people or pregnant mothers, 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:38.000 and in general, what we can do to continue to mimic a youthful state and really grow away from this 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:43.000 technocratic sway, which seems to be happening. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:47.000 But before we do that, I kind of just -- I was curious. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:53.000 I wanted to ask you a question that was basically unrelated to any of that, and it was this. 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:58.000 Ray, do you ever watch movies or do you have any favorite films or directors? 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:06.000 >> Yeah, occasionally I watch movies on the Internet. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:11.000 I haven't been to a movie house for many years. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:19.000 >> Do you remember -- do you have any fond memories of going to see a movie that really made an impression on you? 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:27.000 >> Maybe a few times in my life, but nothing terribly important. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.000 >> Awesome. 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:33.000 So nothing that you said really changed the course of your life in any dramatic way? 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:34.000 >> No. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.000 >> Great. 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.000 Well, let's get going with the topic, Ray. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.000 I appreciate you, again, like I said, and taking the time to do this. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:49.000 So the CDC director, Rochelle Walensky, according to a public announcement said, and this was in the last couple weeks, 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:57.000 that, quote, "Adolescence between the ages of 12 to 15 can get the vaccine, and they should roll up their sleeves and do so." 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:07.000 She went on to say that the FDA and the CDC have done rigorous, she said, review of the data, and that it's definitely safe for 12 to 15-year-olds. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:13.000 She goes on to say, "It's important that kids get vaccinated because not only can they get sick themselves, 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:21.000 but they can bring it home so that other people get vaccinated, or so that other people who are more vulnerable can get sick from them. 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:26.000 And you should get vaccinated to protect yourself, you should get vaccinated to protect your family, 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:32.000 and you should get vaccinated to protect your friends and also your entire community." 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.000 End quote. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.000 What are your thoughts about this? 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:40.000 Several of the statements are contrary to the facts. 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:53.000 They generally have admitted that the people who are vaccinated can still transmit the infection. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:03:10.000 It doesn't stop the transmission, and in that age group, since almost no one suffers from the actual viral infection, 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:23.000 and there are definitely vaccine-related complications such as inflammation of the heart, 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:31.000 which is extremely rare in young people, has been associated with the vaccine. 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:44.000 So there are lots of reasons for thinking that it's absolutely wrong to advocate a teenager vaccination. 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:56.000 I work around young humans, and I'm hearing all kinds of reports of these young guys and girls going and getting vaccinated. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:00.000 And they're between the ages of 14 and 17, I would say. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:06.000 I heard a high-school-aged person the other day say, "Oh, I'm getting vaccinated later today, and I'm nervous about it." 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:13.000 And I kind of overheard him, and I said, "Oh, are you getting it because you want to or because someone said you have to?" 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:21.000 And he responded that his dad said it's time, and he was just going to do it because his dad said, "You've got to do it." 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:27.000 What does he say about situations like this? 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:45.000 There are increasing numbers of situations where teenagers and even younger are recognized to have some control over their own lives. 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:51.000 And parents don't have absolute legal control when it involves their health. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:05:14.000 And for an experimental vaccine to be imposed by a parent, I think that there is increasing legal support for the right of a teenager to oppose a parent's direction on that. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:33.000 For a parent to insist on subjecting their child to an experimental treatment, it's essentially no different from a war criminal experimenting on his prisoners. 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:49.000 When do you think it's a good time on a general level or kind of like for any decision for a young human to start advocating for him or herself and be really in charge of his or her own life? 00:05:49.000 --> 00:06:00.000 The personality generally matures earlier in girls than in boys by a couple of years. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:24.000 And so around the ages of 12 to 14, there's pretty much development of judgment and adult responsibility developing, even though our culture tries to suppress it. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:32.000 Historically, it's been very natural for 12 to 14-year-olds to take on adult responsibilities. 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 And we shouldn't limit that, right? 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:41.000 I mean, that's not something we should shy away from giving our young people a chance to do, right? 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.000 I think that's true. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:07:09.000 Do you think that a young person should -- I mean, do you think we should be doing everything we can to allow the space for even younger than 12 years old for our 4-year-olds and our 5-year-olds and our 6-year-olds to be really learning to make their own decisions, to do their own research, and to explore on their own? 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:14.000 I think that's the proper direction to move in. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:25.000 When I was first working in Mexico, I knew people who had kids of different ages. 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:50.000 And it was very interesting that a 3- or 4-year-old was often developing really interesting individualized personality traits were very self-controlled compared to American kids of the same age. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:08:03.000 I think just because of the expectation of their parents for them to be a member of the family at an early age. 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:30.000 I think our culture has increasingly, in the last 150 years, tied to infantilize everyone, not just the kids, but extending to farther and farther into adulthood, taking away individual initiative and responsibility. 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Yeah, and I know you talked once or you spoke to your memories of being in a mixed-aged kind of learning environment with humans of all different ages and different grades. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:49.000 Can you speak a little bit more to the value of that as being appropriate for any young human? 00:08:49.000 --> 00:09:01.000 Yeah, I went to a country school where we had eight grades in one room, only two or three kids in each grade level. 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:18.000 And so everyone could hear what everyone else was doing, and the graded quality of knowledge sort of disappears. 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:33.000 You, a first grader, might not be able to do mental math very well because they haven't learned their multiplication tables, for example. 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:49.000 But essentially, everyone sees how knowledge works and how people work with it, and that's the way knowledge is in reality. 00:09:49.000 --> 00:10:17.000 Years ago in graduate school, when there was some unrest and students were demanding more respect from university, one of the sort of authoritarian graduate students said they can't expect respect from the professors. 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:21.000 You have to start from the bottom up. 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:30.000 If you're learning a language, you have to learn the alphabet before you can learn grammar. 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:53.000 That just sort of capitalized the idiocy of that whole idea that you have to have packages of learning put together to pile up to equal the whole knowledge of an adult. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:11:13.000 When you learn a language, obviously you don't learn the alphabet. You learn to speak first, and a kid learns to speak fluently like a native in just a few years, learning thousands of words. 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:33.000 Then they can become literate and learn the alphabet, but the real nature of learning is, in effect, to start at the top and then work down to the details. 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:35.000 That's really cool. 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:53.000 On kind of a similar note to one of the things you touched on, I've been hearing a lot of teachers just in the last couple of years who say things like, the kids aren't doing what I tell them to do, and they're acting unruly, they're defying. 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:58.000 In my head a lot of times, I think, well, they're probably just bored. 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:15.000 Do you think with the kind of authoritative type of approach, like students just get, one, they don't appreciate that, and two, they're just bored out of their minds because they're not able to explore on their own kind of interest level. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.000 Is that probably true? 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:27.000 Yeah, there is a sense of what's going on at the whole enterprise of schooling. 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:46.000 The essence of it becomes a submission and a prolonged, boring, stressful submission, and that's the taste of the whole thing. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:13:12.000 For example, in the case of learning a language, I never took a language class, and when I got to Mexico when I was 18, I just listened to people, and the spoken sound and meaning gradually build up the way a kid learns a language. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:37.000 And I knew at the time there were Spanish teachers coming to Mexico to improve their conversational ability, and within two or three months of just walking around Mexico City talking to people as an infant, in fact, 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:52.000 I was able to understand and interact with local people better than these high school teachers, many of whom couldn't understand a word of spoken Spanish. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:57.000 Wow, do you think that's kind of taking that generally? 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:20.000 That's why someone becomes a great baseball player, a great musician, or a great artist, because they're simply – they absorb themselves in the highest level of those things, and they watch people who are at the highest level, and they're around people who are at the highest level, and they really start at that end of it. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:41.000 They really do start at the top by getting what it is that's great about a great musician, and starting at that point, then they recognize the parts as they come to them. 00:14:41.000 --> 00:15:10.000 The parts make sense. Only a few grasp the whole point of it all, and if you don't see education in terms of the sense of everything and what you're doing in the world and feeling that you're a part of what's going on in the world, then learning the parts will never add up to the meaningful, valuable whole. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:16.000 So the context really is, it really does matter. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:39.000 Yeah. For example, a person who learns to play the violin has no trouble adapting to a viola or a cello, even though the fingers absolutely don't go in any of those stages. 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:59.000 Any of the little detailed motions that you would do on a violin, but it's a picture of the whole, as you can go straight from a violin to a cello with just minor adjustments like building up your hand strength and such. 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:10.000 That's really interesting. Just as you're saying some of these things, I think of people who I know who are, for example, great landscape artists or gardeners or athletes. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:24.000 It's often the case that they grew up in an environment where their mom or their dad was – they were just with their mom or dad all day in that craft and just were immersed in that field of behavior. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:49.000 Yeah, I think that's what was making the little Mexican kids seem so whole and properly developed, was that they saw how the adults did things, that they were closer to the productive daily activities. 00:16:49.000 --> 00:17:02.000 That's cool. So in Mexico, they don't separate the kids from the adult activities, like, for example, in the kitchen or in the yard, like the kids are doing everything the parents are doing? 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:16.000 It's getting more advanced economic style, but 50 years ago, it was definitely more like that. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:23.000 That's great. I don't mean to be kind of a downer, but I want to get back to some of the COVID stuff a little bit. 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:30.000 I heard a story in the last couple of weeks that I thought was – I'll just kind of share it and see what you think. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:39.000 But an eight-month-old from Baldwinville, New York – I don't know if you heard about this, but apparently received the second of two doses of the Pfizer COVID shot. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:48.000 And his parents – he gets his name with Enzo. Enzo's parents, it says Mike and Marissa, they're both doctors, apparently. 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:55.000 They said, "We both feel it's important to end this pandemic in the quickest and safest way to vaccinate our way out of it." 00:17:55.000 --> 00:18:02.000 And I guess he's the youngest recorded in the world right now to receive the COVID injection. 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.000 What are your thoughts on something like that? 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:12.000 The parents basically are idiots in a comprehensive way. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:23.000 They obviously can't understand that all of the immune system works and what this so-called vaccine is. 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:44.000 A vaccine always had a bad understanding of what immunity is, but the traditional oldest vaccines were kind of based empirically. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:19:08.000 Like they would take pus from first smallpox case later from a cowpox case, but they would rub the actual pus, create some abrasion on the skin, or even scratch the skin to get the pus into the skin. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:30.000 And that was creating – it was activating many different things, but the antibodies were responding to many, many different antigens in the material that was infectious or potentially infectious. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:49.000 And that broad range of antigen antibody reactions, even though it was mainly on the level of antibodies, still was a broad spectrum type of antibody. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:20:18.000 Several of these nucleic acid, either RNA or DNA vaccines, are ignoring the antigens on the capsule of the vaccine, the various structural things that make the virus act like a virus 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:27.000 that we could have antibodies to that would stop the virus at many levels with different kinds of antibodies. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:52.000 But with this RNA approach, they intend to create within your own body the worst component of the virus, ignoring all of the typical virus components that would stop the infection of a real virus. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:21:07.000 But they induce the ability to produce the essentially toxic component of the COVID virus, the spike protein. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:31.000 And that is – the vaccine is teaching you potentially to become – to produce antibodies to knock out the spike protein, which is defensive. 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:43.000 But meantime, you're producing and developing the ability potentially to keep endlessly producing more of the spike protein. 00:21:43.000 --> 00:22:09.000 And even if you keep producing antibodies against that, there's a constant – not only a distortion of your antibody-producing system, but a constant action of the spike protein, which is to knock out our defensive angiotensin enzyme. 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:15.000 The H2 enzyme is knocked out by both the virus and the vaccine. 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:43.000 And if you have the RNA or even worse, the DNA to produce the RNA that produces the spike protein, that's going to be potentially a pro-inflammatory drag on your system for the rest of your life if it gets integrated into either replicating cells or long-lived cells, 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:47.000 such as nerves or even gonadal cells. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:23:06.000 Once it becomes a part of your genetic makeup, then what it's going to do is rather than produce the cytokine storm that can kill a person if their immune system is weak, 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:32.000 rather than that acute sudden onset of the deadly processes, it will activate those gradually, progressively, steadily, creating mild and increasing chronic inflammation, joint disease, autoimmune diseases. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:56.000 In general, the conditions that develop with the inflammation of aging, and ultimately, the endotensin is carcinogenic, so that if you keep producing the spike proteins, it knocks out your ability to destroy endotensin 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:08.000 and you're creating increased tendency as to rapid aging and cancer and heart disease. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:37.000 So that is the whole idea. Anyone who either understood virology or the immune system, as recently as a couple of years ago, had to have bad intentions, I think, to go right to human use. 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:45.000 This is the most potentially deadly type of gene treatment. 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:56.000 So if they knew what was going on, then it's totally fraudulent, and otherwise, is it possible that there's just been such a brainwashing that they've been taught something different? 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:20.000 Yeah. When you hear Fauci talk, it's hard to tell whether he has resisted learning anything since he was indoctrinated 55 years ago in medical school, or whether he's deliberately falsifying information. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:47.000 If he isn't deliberately just making up a cover story, then he has to simply have a dead intellect to be acting like a robot following something he was indoctrinated with in school. 00:25:47.000 --> 00:26:09.000 But Michael Yeadon, in one of his later interviews, has said he can't, as an insider in the vaccine industry for years, being a vice president, advisor. 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:20.000 His latest conclusion is that it's impossible that these people were either that stupid or that ignorant. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:25.000 The only thing he can say is that they have bad intentions. 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:34.000 And if part of that, just the money, just this crazy amount of money that they get through this? 00:26:34.000 --> 00:27:00.000 Yeah. At the same time that they're getting approximately a trillion dollars, they're following the plan of the people who want to rearrange the whole world economy with a smaller population and a more subservient surviving mass, 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:10.000 organized in a more business-like and exploitable manner. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:27.000 So with regard to the depopulation possibility and just like this, what you're talking about with the mRNA injections and the possibility that just help in general will decline so greatly, 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:32.000 and is our fertility levels possibly going to drop to never before seen levels? 00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:41.000 I've heard accounts of that, or I've seen studies, or I've seen people post things that suggest that. Is that part of that? 00:27:41.000 --> 00:28:05.000 The discussion was brought up primarily by someone who noticed that the protein that makes the development of the placenta possible has antigens that overlap with things in the vaccine. 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:32.000 They said that if we develop antibodies to these vaccine antigens, then it's probable that we will also have antibodies that are interfering with this particular protein that makes the syncytial placenta possible. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:48.000 But apart from that specific, very directed antibody placenta attack, there's a general thing that angiotensin creates inflammation, 00:28:48.000 --> 00:29:00.000 and part of that basic pro-inflammatory effect of angiotensin is to turn on estrogen production and interfere with progesterone production, 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:17.000 and an overdrive of the aromatase-making estrogen is essentially where the idea of the birth control pill came from. 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:35.000 My dissertation advisor, Arnold Soderwald, was one of the early people working on how very slight estrogen excess early in pregnancy is all it takes to end the pregnancy. 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:46.000 The farther the pregnancy goes, the bigger it goes if estrogen needed to kill the placenta to kill the embryo or fetus. 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:56.000 But at the very beginning, just moderate excess of estrogen is enough to stop the pregnancy. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:17.000 And since we know that the vaccine damages our defense against angiotensin, and we know that angiotensin activates estrogen and many other pro-inflammatory agents that will interfere with pregnancy, 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:30.000 then it's a certainty that the inflammation caused by the vaccine or the infection is going to affect your fertility. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:39.000 And combined with -- I've heard from someone who spends a great deal of their time in the birth world working with families, 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:45.000 working with women who are either pregnant or wanting to be pregnant or close pregnancy, 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:50.000 and apparently they're pushing for more pregnant women to get the mRNA injection now, 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:59.000 and they're telling them apparently that they're more prone to getting COVID because the immune system is compromised or something like that. 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:12.000 One of the first things they noticed in New York hospitals at the height of the death episodes last winter and spring, 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:24.000 they noticed that women who were in the hospital to have babies were remarkably safe. 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:34.000 People in the hospital with other conditions were developing at a high risk of getting serious COVID infection, 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:52.000 the pregnant women in late-stage pregnancy were almost perfectly immune, and that -- and the fact that women have a much lower mortality, 00:31:52.000 --> 00:32:01.000 50 or 60 percent lower than men overall mortality until old age. 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:16.000 But young women, cycling women who are still making progesterone and have their opposition hormone keeping estrogen under control, 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:28.000 these women, like the pregnant women, are very strongly protected against the COVID virus itself. 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:49.000 And that led one group to experiment giving -- I think the first study was giving just men a subcutaneous injection of progesterone at the first signs of a COVID infection. 00:32:49.000 --> 00:33:05.000 And I haven't heard how that experiment turned out, but it was a very reasonable supposition that progesterone was the main factor since when a woman stopped cycling, 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:13.000 they stopped making progesterone long before they stopped making estrogen. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:31.000 And in fact, in the absence of progesterone after menopause, the progesterone has been at about 10 different enzyme systems progesterone has been protecting against estrogen. 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:51.000 In the absence of that, all of these enzymes tend to work the other way in proportion to how much stress you're under so that if the menopause symptoms are related to stress, 00:33:51.000 --> 00:34:05.000 the aromatase begins appearing not just in fat cells, but in skin cells, heart cells, liver cells, uterine cells, breast cells, 00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:24.000 and that intracellular production all through your body, muscle cells are a major source of aromatase produce estrogen after menopause when the progesterone is no longer suppressing it. 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:49.000 All of these tissues are internally producing estrogen and the enzyme systems that normally should be inactivating that locally produced estrogen for preparing it for excretion in the urine or bile. 00:34:49.000 --> 00:35:09.000 So those enzymes' activity is changed in the absence of progesterone so that now those systems intensify instead of part of the estrogen being inactive estrogen, 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:29.000 the balance shifts towards the powerful estradiol, and instead of being sulfated or glucuronidated to inactivate it for excretion, any that your liver has already inactivated, 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:39.000 is reactivated by cutting off the sulfate at the glucuronic acid and restoring the full active estrogen. 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:47.000 All of this because of the loss of progesterone and the increase of stress after menopause. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:58.000 So the fact that women are -- the difference between menstruating women and menopausal women is great. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:08.000 Women after menopause become similar to men in their susceptibility to the dangerous COVID infections. 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:19.000 And in old age, I think women are even slightly more at risk than a very old man of the same category. 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.000 Interesting. 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:31.000 So in light of some of the things you just said, the advice for pregnant women in the beginning of the COVID vaccine just being fought out wrong. 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:56.000 So apart from the fact that it has all of these unique properties and is only experimental, the established history of vaccinating women for anything during pregnancy, 00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:01.000 it influences vaccination during pregnancy. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:14.000 The CDC had the statement posted that although they recognized that the inflammation produced by the adjuvant in a vaccine such as influenza vaccine, 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:28.000 although this inflammation damages the developing embryo and fetus, they still advocate vaccination during pregnancy. 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:42.000 But the literature is very clear that inflammation during pregnancy, including the inflammation from a vaccination, damages the fetus's brain, 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:53.000 and autism is one of the outcomes of an inflammatory disrupted pregnancy. 00:37:53.000 --> 00:38:09.000 So the whole system denying that vaccination has anything to do with autism, if you're just limited to looking at women who were vaccinated during pregnancy, 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:23.000 has very little to do with whether there's mercury in it, the aluminum adjuvant or a lipid adjuvant, no matter what the inflammation promoter is. 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:37.000 It's the inflammation itself which is essential to a vaccine that is disruptive to the development of the embryo, especially its brain and immune system. 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:42.000 Okay, that's great because I was going to ask you about the young human developing inside the lung. 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:50.000 And so with the mRNA injection, these have a lipid, right, adjuvant? 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:55.000 Yeah, I looked up the name of the lipid. 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.000 It takes about a line of print to describe it. 00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:17.000 And I looked at that particular lipid that they -- in the ingredients they describe it as a carrier lipid needed to get the RNA in the cells, which in itself is live. 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:25.000 DNA and RNA enter cells freely in the naked condition. 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.000 They don't need a lipid carrier. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:34.000 So that's a misleading concept in itself. 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:41.000 But the ingredient is described as a carrier, not as an adjuvant. 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:54.000 But when you look up on Google, that specific lipid, it has been on the market as an adjuvant for vaccines. 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:06.000 So if you take the actual historical proper name and function of that lipid, it would be called an adjuvant. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:20.000 But nominally, according to the government and vaccine companies, these vaccines contain a lipid carrier, but no adjuvant. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:29.000 That's a falsification that I haven't heard anyone talking about. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.000 That's very interesting. 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:41.000 So, Ray, like several minutes ago, you mentioned that for this virus or any virus that -- some other virus that might be dangerous. 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:53.000 It seemed like you were saying, and I interpreted you as saying, that there could be a vaccine or a vaccine process that's totally legitimate and safe. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.000 But that's certainly not what's happening. 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.000 Can you talk a little bit more about that? 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.000 What would be that thing? 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000 Yeah. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:13.000 Way back in the 18th century, there were people vaccinating successfully with smallpox. 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:34.000 The interdermal introduction of a weakened or stressed agent that the scans would pass would be put aside and stored for a while before putting it into the skin. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:42:00.000 So, it was -- even though they didn't have the concept of a virus agent, they knew they were stressing or weakening the sickness-producing agent and then introducing it right into the skin where the pox would show its reaction in the person with the disease. 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:29.000 And that was intuitively using our basic, complete immune system, activating it through a normal route such as by skin contact, and it turns out that our immune system has similar normal routes of reaction and control in our respiratory system. 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:58.000 And in our intestine, there are surface receptors for strange materials, white blood cells that sample what is coming down the digestive tract and activating the immune system similar to what you inhale or what gets scratched into your skin. 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:09.000 And those activate many, many different levels of resistance, not just antibodies. 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:30.000 And the more deteriorated or aged or stressed a person is, the weaker those basic resistance factors are, and they are compensated by exaggerated production of antibodies. 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:58.000 And that exaggerated production of specific antibodies is behind the so-called autoimmune diseases, or B cells get overstimulated while the rest of the so-called immune system deteriorates under the effects of stress, estrogen, 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:04.000 and other age-like factors. 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:15.000 So why is it, Ray, do you think that we're not doing something more like, you know, in current times, like the process you described with natural immunity? 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:31.000 Well, it took many years before the government health agencies could get coordinated to use the vaccine for smallpox in an organized way. 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:42.000 The use of it was to vaccinate people who were imminently exposed to the disease. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:45:03.000 So when they got organized, when there would be a disease outbreak, they would send vaccinators to the area to form a ring around the infected area and vaccinate the people who were very likely to come in contact with the infection. 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:19.000 And in a very short time, they had pounced on each of these outbreaks and brought it to an end and eliminated the vaccine, the smallpox virus from the world. 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:34.000 So it was extremely economical, and it knocked out sales of the smallpox vaccine naturally, and it saved the world a huge amount of money. 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:59.000 But obviously, no big company was motivated to stop selling vaccines, and the polio vaccine, I think, is a really informative history. 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:12.000 In history, paralytic polio really appeared after the middle of the 19th century. 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:22.000 We began to have paralytic polio outbreaks and epidemics every few years. 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:37.000 And it happens that doctors never had access to hypodermic needles for injections until the early 19th century. 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:56.000 And while any old grandmother or witch doctor or whatever could prescribe oral medicines and so on, only a doctor had access to the injection needles. 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:06.000 And so scientific medicine really loved the idea of injecting drugs. 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:18.000 Only an intravenous or subcutaneous injection of a drug would really be scientifically appropriate medicine rather than just eating it. 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:26.000 They claimed that it was inactivated by your digestive system and so on. 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:40.000 In the case of progesterone, probably everyone has heard the story that progesterone is destroyed by the stomach acid, and so it has to be infected. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:52.000 That was the story for 50 or 60 years until people actually had tried to eat any some and found that it worked better than injecting it. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:48:10.000 But in the case of polio epidemics, people very early, more than 100 years ago, started noticing that the paralytic cases corresponded to mass injections, 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:22.000 not only vaccinations, but injections of various drugs or hormones. 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:38.000 And that oscillated in the medical literature for about 45 years when I was a kid was still in the news. 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:46.000 Ordinary people heard about the connection of paralytic polio with injections. 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.000 You can find lots of articles on it. 00:48:49.000 --> 00:49:03.000 And in the 1950s, it was reaching a peak, and it finally led to studies in animals for decades. 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:17.000 People were noticing that not only was the epidemic itself associated with prior injections of anything, 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:35.000 but that the particular limb that was most affected by the polio paralysis was usually the limb in which the injection had been made. 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:49.000 And animal experiments demonstrated that if you inject a polio or other particle intramuscularly, 00:49:49.000 --> 00:50:14.000 the assons, reverse axonal transport of particles is always going on, and they found that the antigen or the adjuvant was carried from the injection site in a muscle up the nerve to the brain 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:34.000 and affected the brain's reaction to the virus created in these animal experiments exactly the same association with the front or back, left or right leg, 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:40.000 where the injection was, would be where the paralysis occurred most often. 00:50:40.000 --> 00:51:04.000 Currently, the last five or 10 years in Africa, people have been reporting exactly the same phenomenon, that the arm or leg within polio vaccine was injected as the part that's most likely to be paralyzed. 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:13.000 Ray, why do you think we persist in making such grave mistakes in the name of "science"? 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:39.000 In the case of the polio vaccine, it was essentially to sell the product. If you look at the cases of paralysis through the 1940s and '50s and '60s and '70s, 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:50.000 officially polio was basically wiped out very shortly after the introduction of the polio vaccine. 00:51:50.000 --> 00:52:14.000 But when you look at the actual global picture of health and paralysis, what you see happening is that other types of paralysis appeared and exactly offset the disappearance of so-called polio-dependent paralysis. 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:28.000 So what they were doing was renaming a paralytic condition, Guillain-Barre, or some specific name for a type of paralysis. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:42.000 They were simply renaming a paralysis that had been classified as polio, and so polio was officially cured by the vaccine. 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:50.000 We're seeing the same thing in relation to COVID. 00:52:50.000 --> 00:53:11.000 To get the, I think it was the first or second week of April of 2020, the sudden tremendous increase in death rates from COVID infection in the second week of April. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:28.000 That exact week, the mortality from influenza caused pneumonia dropped off just as spectacularly as the COVID death rates increased. 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:47.000 And studies of the fate of the influenza caused pneumonia since the arrival of COVID have seen essentially a disappearance of influenza from the world. 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.000 So it just sounds like a reclassification. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:54:12.000 A re-reaining of death and the falsification around influenza, mortality, and pneumonia that had been gradually exposed for several years preceding this. 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.000 Go ahead, Rick. 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:26.000 Do you think it related to the depopulation possibility and just kind of positing this, kind of just thinking out loud about this? 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:38.000 Like, it seems to me that if the powers wanted to depopulate in a drastic way and turn everyone into submissive robots who were controllable and you could tell them what to do, like, that doesn't sound fun at all. 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.000 It doesn't sound like a great way to live at all. 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.000 Why would anyone want to do that? 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.000 My sound went dead for a while. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:52.000 I missed a whole series of comments. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.000 Oh, okay. 00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:54.000 No problem. 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:00.000 No, I was kind of bringing it back to the idea that there could be a depopulation facility going on. 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.000 And my question was, I was just kind of reflecting on that. 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:13.000 Like, if you're someone who wants to depopulate the world and turn everyone into robots, like, it just sounds like a really not fun way to be with anybody in the world. 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:18.000 Why would anyone want other people to be programmable and where you could tell them what to do? 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.000 That doesn't sound fun at all to live like that. 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.000 What's causing that? 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.000 Like, what kind of a human wants to do that? 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:53.000 The ruling class, basically, people like Flob, Flob, I guess his name is, founder and head of the World Economic Forum, has been verbalizing all of this that people really don't want to own anything or have responsibility for anything. 00:55:53.000 --> 00:56:04.000 They just want to rent things and have a salary and be happy. 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:26.000 And he is just amplifying some of the very crazy projections that the population, conscious people have been talking about for more than 20 years. 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:36.000 The Rockefeller Foundation, over 10 years ago, put out various scenarios of the future. 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:59.000 And they also said that if we didn't turn everything over to artificial intelligence, which would be owned and controlled by the giant monopoly corporations, if we didn't one way or another reach that electronic control of our everyday life, 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:11.000 that it would end up in the worst sort of degenerated death scene. 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:34.000 So they've, for decades, been projecting this artificial intelligence controlled by the very few in the ruling class corporations as the only viable outcome of the history of the world. 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:46.000 Is there a ruling class physiology that gets spread through the generations of the ruling class that's kind of openly responsible for this? 00:57:46.000 --> 00:58:14.000 Yeah, they basically have been culturally deprived for generations, and like the Bush family, the grandfather Bush was a part of the scheme that supported Hitlerism. 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:43.000 The father Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, was a more degenerated version of the same thing, absolutely authoritarian, and such things as CIA assassinations were routine. 00:58:43.000 --> 00:59:11.000 For him and his father, and as a third generation, someone like George Bush or his brothers, there's a product of a horrible kind of family upbringing and education at places like Yale that simply prepare them for power, 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:19.000 exercising power, not for reason or criticism or understanding. 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:39.000 So do you really see this push to inject as many people as possible if the mRNA is closely tied with kind of the depopulation aim eventually at the end of the technocratic turn everything into kind of a cyborg culture as kind of all being connected? 00:59:39.000 --> 01:00:05.000 Yeah, I don't see any very plausible alternatives to explain the outrageous behavior of governments that have been – about half of the governments of the world have been integrated into this huge conspiracy. 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:20.000 And the only way to properly understand such an organized insane behavior is that there is a purpose behind it. 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:34.000 Got it. And it does seem like that there's more and more people saying, like, no, I won't do that, and they've even reported lately that the number of people that are getting this "vaccine" are kind of leveling off or plateauing. 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:45.000 But it also seems to me that the propaganda and the money being thrown at trying to convince people to get the injection is also increasing at the same level. 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:57.000 I mean, do you think that there's almost a worry that there's more and more people who are saying no, and they're just going to throw all their resources at continuing to try to make it happen? 01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:22.000 Yeah, you can see them recruiting famous people to try to make it more popular and inventing stories that will have propaganda influence such as saying, look, we're making progress. 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:27.000 The epidemic is coming to a close. 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:43.000 We can show that because now fewer people are testing positive for the infection following the vaccinations, but they have openly instructed people. 01:01:43.000 --> 01:02:09.000 Previously, the CDC ordered the testers to run more than 30 cycles of the PCR reaction, which, according to the very people who intended and designed the PCR process, they said false positives is meaningless if you run it. 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:16.000 The more cycles you run, the more cases you detect, but the less meaning there is. 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:43.000 So now that the vaccine is in place, they are actually ordering people to do 25 cycles testing with the – it will be a more factual, valid test, but it will find many fewer cases because it won't be treating the false positives. 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:46.000 So they're right at the scientific level. 01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:58.000 They're building in statistics to support their argument, see if the vaccine is working will save you, just come and get your vaccine. 01:02:58.000 --> 01:02:59.000 Interesting. 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:06.000 But if they had been running the test that way from the very beginning, then there would have been evidence that there was never anything going on. 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:11.000 There never would have been a pandemic because it was a pandemic of tests. 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.000 Wow. 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.000 Great, Ray. 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:15.000 This was great. 01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.000 I really appreciate being able to share time with you. 01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:40.000 One thing I wanted to ask you about is it seems possible to me that the lockdowns and the fear and the isolation that many people have felt with degrading environment from any lack of nutrients from good foods and so on and so forth, that there's like a post-traumatic stress disorder among people maybe that could be acting as like a contagion, as in like a collective trauma. 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:49.000 And Georgi Dinkov, he posted a study I heard about recently that revealed this is something that has been shown to happen. 01:03:49.000 --> 01:04:00.000 And so what are your thoughts about this possibility that there's like this kind of contagion of traumatic stress that's being kind of spread throughout among people? 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:12.000 Yes, the government and schools have been doing their best to instill that attitude of helplessness in the population. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:31.000 And they know that fear, hatred, anxiety, all of the intense emotions can be used to make people behave like lemmings. 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:43.000 He mentioned, Georgi, that he mentioned a study showing pregnant alone as a potent agent to help limit this kind of infectiousness of traumatic experience and controllability. 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:49.000 So pregnant alone seems like a pretty ass along with progesterone. 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:58.000 Yeah, both progesterone and pregnant alone stop the exaggerated stress reaction. 01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:18.000 They block overproduction of ACTH and so lower all of the related pituitary and other stress hormones and so improve your clear thinking ability. 01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:26.000 Would one want to like synergize pregnant alone with like certain foods or anything like that? 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:44.000 Basically, complete good nutrition, low in inflammatory foods, keeping polyunsaturated fats and hard to digest starches and oils, 01:05:44.000 --> 01:06:02.000 keeping those lower completely out of the diet and keeping a generous amount of the anti-inflammatory nutrients, calcium, vitamin D, 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:19.000 and sugar or digestible carbohydrates are some of our most powerful anti-inflammatory and stability-promoting foods. 01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.000 Okay, so solid nutrition to go along with these things. 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:31.000 Would progesterone and/or pregnant alone ever be either safe or applicable for like a young human? 01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:36.000 Would you say before the age of 10 or in the adolescent years? 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:56.000 Yeah, the only thing is a boy doesn't want to take large amounts of progesterone for a long time because it blocks the action of testosterone if you take a large amount for a long time. 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.000 Okay, got it. That makes sense. 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:05.000 Ray, you've been super active, it seems like, lately with tons of great interviews, and you're just doing so much work, 01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:13.000 and I know that everyone who is fortunate enough to listen to you just loves it and are real appreciative. 01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:20.000 I had a question to that point because we hear so much of what you're giving us, and I love it. 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:27.000 Are we -- is there anything we're not talking about that you think we ought to be talking about, 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:32.000 or have you not been asked something that you think would be really good thought material? 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.000 I'm curious about that. 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:44.000 No, pretty much I think you're hitting the real crucial issues. 01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:47.000 Okay, yeah, cool. 01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:56.000 So there's nothing that you think about at night that you secretly wish that could be expressed to more people that it's not? 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:13.000 Well, I would urge more people to stand up against the corporations, the educational system, the government itself. 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:23.000 Several people have told me that when they were told that they would lose their job in a hospital or a university 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:32.000 or a public school if they didn't get vaccinated, they just said, "What is your legal basis for doing that, 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:41.000 and why isn't it a crime against humanity to enforce the use of an experimental treatment?" 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:53.000 And all of these people have said that their employer acknowledged that there was no legal basis and they didn't need the vaccine. 01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.000 And that's true, right? 01:08:55.000 --> 01:09:03.000 I mean, I was reading recently, I think the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, the AAPF put out some stuff, 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:13.000 and the Children's Health Defense all put out, similar to what you just said, that really there's no -- 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:22.000 you can't legally be required to take an experimental vaccine or do anything related to this experimental stuff. 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:36.000 Yeah, and so it's good that more and more lawyers are getting involved in going after the criminal behavior of the state and federal health departments. 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.000 Yeah, I think so, too. 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:51.000 In regards to young humans again, Ray, what do you think some of the best things we can do to model or guide young humans to play away from the harmful programming? 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:57.000 The programming does seem to be just so pervasive and strong. 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:04.000 How do you think the best ways to model this for young humans so that we can not keep them away, 01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:11.000 because I think exposure might be part of it, but what are your thoughts on that? 01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:24.000 Oh, I think spontaneously created group situations, whatever you call them, schools. 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:40.000 The word has been tainted, but learning, experiencing cooperative organizations, I think kids should be given the opportunity 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:54.000 to form and come in contact with alternative groups that are working on alternative futures. 01:10:54.000 --> 01:11:02.000 With regard to this need for humans to connect, because I think that it sounds like you're speaking in part to that. 01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:09.000 We need to be around other people and discuss things, have conversations, be critical, explore different possibilities. 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:23.000 Do you think some of the masking and -- do you think that's really going to have a negative impact as far as so many kids growing up these last few years 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:28.000 around others who are social distancing and masks and all that stuff? 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.000 What kind of effect do you think that has? 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:48.000 I think it's also having the effect of opening, especially kids, opening their awareness to the absolute craziness of the way the system is being operated. 01:11:48.000 --> 01:12:10.000 You see people unable to justify their doing it, destroying the economy, putting people out of work, going around wearing masks, even running outside in isolated areas wearing a mask. 01:12:10.000 --> 01:12:35.000 It's impossible to see so many people behaving so insanely without starting to really reorganize your thinking and realize that we have to think of better futures for individuals and groups and ecosystems 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:41.000 for the outcome of the whole world. 01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:52.000 Yeah, I've seen too many pictures even of newborns who are on their mother's chest. 01:12:52.000 --> 01:13:00.000 Thankfully, some of the pictures are still on their mother's chest after birth, and the mother is forced to be wearing a mask. 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:08.000 The newborn can't even be in that experience with a mom smiling face in her face, though. 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:12.000 So many hospitals are requiring the mask and stuff. 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:14.000 It just seems so crazy to me. 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:34.000 Yeah, I think this is also an opportunity for de-medicalizing our culture, realizing that hospitals and medicine in general is a major cause of death and disability. 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:54.000 Just starting to look at the figures, things that Ivan Village was talking about 50 or 60 or 70 years ago, we need to be de-schooling, de-medicalizing, de-corporatizing the culture. 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:58.000 You don't have to reduce the population. 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:08.000 You need to reduce the imposed organization, which is what's making so many people so miserable. 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:09.000 I like that. 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:14.000 You're speaking to people's ability for us to find happiness still. 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:23.000 Would Ivan Village's writing be some of your, like, encouraged reading for a young human? 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:28.000 Well, for everyone has to read them. 01:14:28.000 --> 01:14:29.000 Awesome. 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:35.000 I think didn't Hippocrates once say you're a fool if you're not your own doctor or something to that effect? 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.000 Yeah. 01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:38.000 Awesome. 01:14:38.000 --> 01:14:39.000 Well, Greg, thank you. 01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:41.000 I kind of want to round it out. 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:42.000 I really appreciate your time. 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:49.000 I just want to end with a few things that I think would kind of generally encapsulate some of our conversation. 01:14:49.000 --> 01:15:01.000 And I want to kind of speak to this fundamental humanness, like we're going in a direction that seems like we're going away from what it means to be fundamentally human. 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:10.000 So what in your eyes if you could put some bullet points together, like what does that mean to be fundamentally human to you? 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:23.000 Very similar to being fundamentally a mammal or a worm-blooded animal or an animal. 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:27.000 Similar things apply. 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:45.000 I've watched ants, among other animals, and the dominant story about ants are that they lack individuality. 01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:53.000 But if you really watch an ant, they are at least as individualized as people. 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:57.000 They have a full range of emotions. 01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:03.000 You can see them having insights, inventing things. 01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:09.000 All animals have what we call the human properties. 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:29.000 So all we have to do is stop being less of an insane machine and become more spontaneously like our nature, more human, more animal, less obedient, more infecting. 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:37.000 And see perhaps that we're all just unique manifestations of life itself, right? 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:48.000 You know, finding out what life is about, life is about finding out what it's about. 01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.000 That's cool. 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.000 Ray, what's for dinner tonight for you? 01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:57.000 I don't know yet. 01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.000 Okay, well, I hope you have a good evening. 01:16:59.000 --> 01:17:02.000 And again, Ray, this has been a pleasure. 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:10.000 I know a lot of people will really appreciate this, and I appreciate your energy and your time and your research and your experience and everything. 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.000 So thank you so much. 01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:13.000 Okay, thank you. 01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:14.000 Okay. 01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:15.000 Bye. 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.000 Bye. 01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:24.680 [BLANK_AUDIO]