WEBVTT 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:06.000 Hi everyone, I'm Gary Null. Nice to have you with us today talking about health 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:10.200 and nutrition issues. We're going to continue with our series on alternative 00:00:10.200 --> 00:00:15.120 healing. We're going to look at your thyroid gland to begin with. Now you're 00:00:15.120 --> 00:00:19.720 going to learn more about that thyroid gland and the process of the thyroid 00:00:19.720 --> 00:00:25.240 when it's not functioning properly and how that may be contributing to a whole 00:00:25.240 --> 00:00:31.160 series of illnesses. Illnesses that the normal process of medical examination 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:36.240 would miss altogether. We're also going to show you the thyroid gland and aging. 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:43.440 So that coming up right after the opening new segments. Recently people 00:00:43.440 --> 00:00:48.640 have been looking, more people than ever have been looking actually, for how to 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:52.440 regain a sense of health and using alternative therapies. Well one of the 00:00:52.440 --> 00:00:59.680 therapies is the whole area of phytochemicals or using plants. Now in 00:00:59.680 --> 00:01:03.520 the plant family there are a lot of conditions that are very specific for 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:08.200 different conditions. For example, plants for irritable bowel syndrome. Now 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:13.720 irritable bowel is, well it's not a very pleasant condition to have and people 00:01:13.720 --> 00:01:18.080 end up with abdominal cramps and they can end up with constipation or diarrhea. 00:01:18.080 --> 00:01:23.760 And so you look around and say what works that's non-toxic? Well one of the 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.400 things that they've been using in Europe for a long time is peppermint oil from 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:37.600 Mintha Pipertea and it's used on a regular basis to aid in digestion and as 00:01:37.600 --> 00:01:42.680 a carminative. And we don't know all about its beneficial effects but we do 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:49.240 know that it's shown to act as an antispasmodic to intestinal muscle. Also 00:01:49.240 --> 00:01:57.880 we found that it also has some strong anti-antimutagenic activity. Also when 00:01:57.880 --> 00:02:02.120 looking at some of the things that make a difference, intermittent claudication. 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:07.760 Now intermittent claudication is painful calves and sometimes it's so painful 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:12.000 that just sitting is uncomfortable, walking for any distance is 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.320 uncomfortable. So what do you do? Well with intermittent claudication some 00:02:16.320 --> 00:02:20.960 people have tried chelation therapy and they have claimed that chelation therapy 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:26.240 has really made a difference. It's helped them. However in a recent study that was 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:36.520 published in a prestigious journal and reported and I believe it was the, what 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:43.960 was it? I saw it originally in Clinical Pearls and it was circulation, September 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:51.000 1994 and it was by Dr. André Van Riech and associate. And what they showed is 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.920 they took two groups of people. Both groups had pretty similar intermittent 00:02:55.920 --> 00:03:01.000 claudication and they were over the age of 45. And they were able to determine 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.040 the intermittent claudication by peripheral atherosclerotic vascular 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:11.720 disease arteriography. Meaning they measured it and what they gave them was 00:03:11.720 --> 00:03:21.160 500 ml infusion of 3,000 milligrams of EDTA plus some magnesium chloride. And 00:03:21.160 --> 00:03:26.800 the other group got 500 milligrams infusion of saline and inert solution. 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:32.400 And then they watched them and then after a period of time, about three 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:37.360 months, they remeasured and they found that the chelation group had a 60% 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:42.840 improvement in walking distance. But the control group, the placebo group, had a 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:48.800 59% improvement. Therefore they said that there was no difference between 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:54.520 chelation group and the placebo group. Well there's a problem. I got the actual 00:03:54.520 --> 00:04:02.800 study and here's what it says. That the usual response is 30%. Well to go from 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:07.960 the usual 30% response with drugs and other therapies to 60% is a 100% 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:12.280 improvement. So right off the bat there's a big improvement. But I could see 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.440 having a 60% improvement in the chelation group. But how could you also 00:04:15.440 --> 00:04:20.920 have a 60% improvement in the placebo group? That makes no sense. 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:27.080 But then ah, they tell us. They tell us right in the heart of the article that 00:04:27.080 --> 00:04:33.720 both groups received oral supplements daily. Now the oral supplements they 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:39.940 received on a daily basis and a fairly good amount actually have oral vitamin 00:04:39.940 --> 00:04:47.040 chelating properties. Now what this tells me is that it was not so much the EDTA 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:53.120 that made the improvement but rather the oral chelators like vitamin C and zinc 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:58.440 and selenium. These are oral chelators. So if you want to know why you've had 00:04:58.440 --> 00:05:03.880 clearer arteries and better circulation and less intermittent claudication, it's 00:05:03.880 --> 00:05:08.000 because of the proper supplementation. Now of course they didn't mention this 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:12.720 in the article. They didn't mention that the average response is 30% and hence 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:17.840 the placebo and the control group or the active group got 100% improvement. And 00:05:17.840 --> 00:05:21.720 they didn't tell people in the conclusions that gee whiz it was 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:26.600 probably the vitamin supplements that made a difference in the placebo group. A 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:33.680 faulty study, misinterpreted, and one that slants a bias against chelation 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:39.520 therapy. Unfortunately we still haven't seen the really ideal study to validate 00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:44.360 chelation in the Orthodox mind. I'm Gary Naul and I'd like to welcome you to our 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:49.080 program. As you may know if you listen with any frequency we talk about health 00:05:49.080 --> 00:05:52.840 issues. In this segment we're going to talk about something that affects 00:05:52.840 --> 00:05:58.480 everyone from children to senior citizens, then to the overweight and that 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:03.400 is the thyroid gland. To share insights on the thyroid gland I've invited Dr. Ray 00:06:03.400 --> 00:06:09.560 Peat. Dr. Peat has a background in biology from the University of Oregon 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:15.440 and he is specialized in hormone related oxidative changes. He's taught 00:06:15.440 --> 00:06:20.560 biochemistry, endocrinology, and nutrition at several universities. And he's 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:24.400 authored several very good books including Nutrition for Women, 00:06:24.400 --> 00:06:30.960 Progesterone in Orthomolecular Medicine, and Generative Energy in Mind and Tissue. 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:34.960 So let's go to our conference call and welcome him on board. Nice to have you 00:06:34.960 --> 00:06:39.320 with us Dr. Peat. Thanks. Could I comment on intermittent 00:06:39.320 --> 00:06:45.640 claudication and how it relates to thyroid? Sure. It's very common for 00:06:45.640 --> 00:06:54.760 pre-puberty people to have leg pains that they call groin pains and those people 00:06:54.760 --> 00:07:01.760 are typically a little bit low thyroid and the textbooks used to show little 00:07:01.760 --> 00:07:08.020 kids with horribly swollen calf muscles. They looked like they were muscle 00:07:08.020 --> 00:07:15.120 bound but it was the accumulation of mucopolysaccharides swelling the muscle 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:23.480 up causing great pain cramping and so on. And in old people who are hypothyroid 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:29.320 something very similar happens but it includes degeneration of the blood 00:07:29.320 --> 00:07:36.160 vessels to some extent. And you mentioned the chelation plus magnesium. When you 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:44.280 take thyroid it energizes your cells to make ATP and it happens that ATP binds 00:07:44.280 --> 00:07:51.040 magnesium so you don't really take up magnesium into the cell very efficiently 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:57.640 unless you have adequate thyroid. And when you are low in 00:07:57.640 --> 00:08:04.800 thyroid you tend to lose magnesium during stress and chronically that leads 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:11.280 to a crampy inefficient condition where you waste oxygen producing your energy 00:08:11.280 --> 00:08:16.560 but you can't retain it because of the lack of magnesium. So in many situations 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:23.000 magnesium imitates thyroid function but the two together really are simply 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:30.240 energizing the tissue and you can go from crampy legs or many old people get 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.760 jumpy legs a funny sensation that makes their legs kick when they try to go to 00:08:34.760 --> 00:08:43.560 sleep. You can go from that hyper activity of the legs to many other 00:08:43.560 --> 00:08:50.920 conditions including heart rhythm problems, insomnia, muscle pains in 00:08:50.920 --> 00:08:57.440 general, many states that are considered degenerative diseases but they are 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:04.440 simply low thyroid low magnesium states that prevent efficient energy production. 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:12.880 Good. Dr. Peat why don't we begin by you telling us about how we have a 00:09:12.880 --> 00:09:17.000 correlation between an underactive or low thyroid function in the aging 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:21.440 process and then maybe include information in lay language about 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:27.240 insomnia and arthritis and cholesterol all these things that we don't 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:33.800 assume are associated with the thyroid gland but indeed are. Okay when a person 00:09:33.800 --> 00:09:41.040 is under stress the thyroid adaptively goes down it's like a hibernation 00:09:41.040 --> 00:09:49.600 process. That's one adaptation that works if an animal is starving for 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:55.720 example in the winter if its metabolism slows down its heart rate slows and its 00:09:55.720 --> 00:10:00.480 body temperature drops it can last through the winter without eating up its 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:08.680 fat too fast or if it's in a famine situation or a migration if the thyroid 00:10:08.680 --> 00:10:15.920 slows down during starvation or prolonged activity as in migrating you 00:10:15.920 --> 00:10:23.400 can go farther on a given amount of stored energy. When people go on extreme 00:10:23.400 --> 00:10:31.880 diets trying to lose weight they lose maybe a pound or so the first day but 00:10:31.880 --> 00:10:36.760 then they stop losing weight if they're eating much less than a thousand 00:10:36.760 --> 00:10:43.920 calories or on a total fast they will lose nothing but muscle after the first 00:10:43.920 --> 00:10:50.960 day and that's because after about 12 to 24 hours your liver has depleted its 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:57.520 sugar stores and at that point it starts turning your muscles and other tissues 00:10:57.520 --> 00:11:05.160 to sugar and that would destroy your body very quickly so the thyroid adapts 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:11.960 down under stress and so the worse the stress is or the more prolonged the 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:19.160 lower your thyroid gets and that means that with aging you tend to have 00:11:19.160 --> 00:11:26.000 accumulated so many stresses that your thyroid gets chronically depressed and 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:31.160 unless you give it the right signals to bring it back it just stays there and 00:11:31.160 --> 00:11:40.600 gets lower and lower. When your thyroid is low you don't store sugar efficiently 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:47.800 and so you are very efficient about burning up your body slowly but you 00:11:47.800 --> 00:11:55.400 aren't efficient at repairing it and all you're doing is decaying at a slower 00:11:55.400 --> 00:12:02.200 rate when your thyroid is down so what you want to do is stop the decay process 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:11.840 and begin the repair process. People have looked at patients in hospitals and they 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:18.560 have found that the ones with the same diseases but with a low body temperature 00:12:18.560 --> 00:12:24.920 are the ones who are less likely to survive and go home and it's because the 00:12:24.920 --> 00:12:31.040 low thyroid which is an adaptation to many stresses and sicknesses at a 00:12:31.040 --> 00:12:36.360 certain point the low thyroid stops being protective and starts interfering 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:42.520 with the healing process and when you have been in that low thyroid state too 00:12:42.520 --> 00:12:50.240 long you are living on adrenaline and cortisone which are destroying all of 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:57.440 your essential tissues. I've seen many low thyroid people who in a day produced 00:12:57.440 --> 00:13:05.160 30 or 40 times more adrenaline than normal and adrenaline tends to lead 00:13:05.160 --> 00:13:09.200 immediately to cortisone production depending on how efficient your adrenals 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:16.760 are and this high adrenaline state creates a terrible amount of confusion 00:13:16.760 --> 00:13:24.080 among doctors and patients both because as an adaptation it makes people feel 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:30.680 like they're on speed sometimes to have this adaptive extreme overproduction of 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:37.600 adrenaline and at night it's normal for adrenaline and cortisone to rise even in 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:44.560 young people because it's a sort of a fasting state and they're not eating and 00:13:44.560 --> 00:13:52.720 so they maintain these sugar producing hormones during the night but in old age 00:13:52.720 --> 00:14:02.120 these are higher in general because of the low thyroid so that if your thyroid 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:08.920 is low or you're old and have low thyroid as a more or less natural thing 00:14:08.920 --> 00:14:14.400 nighttime with the rising adrenaline and cortisone becomes more and more 00:14:14.400 --> 00:14:23.440 stressful and insomnia becomes more and more common it's very usual for people 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:28.760 in their 70s and 80s to wake up after five or six hours of sleep and just get 00:14:28.760 --> 00:14:33.120 up early because they know they aren't going to be able to get back to sleep 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:40.840 but this also happens in very young people who have low thyroid and when it 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:47.000 gets to an extreme it can lead to a hyperactive state with loss of attention 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:53.920 or extreme irritability and depression and a lot of strange symptoms that if 00:14:53.920 --> 00:14:59.720 you can get your cortisone and adrenaline under control by normalizing 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:08.120 your thyroid and blood sugar these strange symptoms of high tension just 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:14.480 disappear one of the common stereotypes about low thyroid people is that they 00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:20.600 are just lethargic and sluggish but a very large group of low thyroid people 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:26.680 become hyperactive because of this very high adrenaline compensating for the low 00:15:26.680 --> 00:15:35.080 blood sugar Broda Barnes who was one of the best thyroid researchers in the 30s 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:41.560 and 40s wrote a book called hypoglycemia it's your liver not your mind because he 00:15:41.560 --> 00:15:50.080 found that almost all hypoglycemics were low thyroid and that the liver simply 00:15:50.080 --> 00:16:01.680 wasn't able to store enough glycogen to keep their blood sugar steady the high 00:16:01.680 --> 00:16:10.160 cholesterol that develops in most people as they age is another thing that in the 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:17.160 30s and 40s many researchers recognized that high thyroid high cholesterol was 00:16:17.160 --> 00:16:23.400 nothing but an indicator of low thyroid the same way low blood sugar was mostly 00:16:23.400 --> 00:16:31.560 an indicator of low thyroid there were published studies in the middle 1930s 00:16:31.560 --> 00:16:36.840 which showed that when you took out someone's thyroid gland immediately the 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:42.480 cholesterol went up and when you gave them a thyroid supplement immediately 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:50.000 the cholesterol goes down that's because thyroid is needed to produce products 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:56.880 that the cholesterol turns into such as bile acids progesterone and pregnenolone 00:16:56.880 --> 00:17:06.480 which are youth associated hormones vitamin A and cholesterol are used up by 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:16.560 thyroid in producing these essential hormones and bile materials I've seen 00:17:16.560 --> 00:17:21.880 people just like the published studies 60 years ago I've seen people 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:28.880 consistently in one case the cholesterol went down almost a hundred points a day 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:35.960 with very frequent big doses of quick-acting thyroid but usually you can 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:44.880 see it go down 50 points a week with very careful thyroid supplementation the 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:51.520 things that are happening to the national diet are mostly created creating 00:17:51.520 --> 00:17:58.120 worse problems for cholesterol metabolism and thyroid function a couple 00:17:58.120 --> 00:18:05.560 weeks ago in the news there was a story about hypothyroidism in China at least a 00:18:05.560 --> 00:18:15.600 hundred million Chinese are hypothyroid and 25 million are retarded and actually 00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:23.160 have cretinism from congenital low thyroid it's been known most of this 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:29.840 century that in areas where they eat beans as a staple of the diet such as in 00:18:29.840 --> 00:18:37.080 China many types of beans including soybeans but in the Andes region just 00:18:37.080 --> 00:18:45.360 ordinary beans are the major cause of hypothyroidism because of various 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:54.160 antithyroid factors in beans lentils and certain nuts peanuts for example in 00:18:54.160 --> 00:19:05.240 Eastern Europe the cabbage and turnip staple diets were major causes of 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:15.400 cretinism and chronic goiter and myxedema myxedema is the name for one 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:23.280 type of hypothyroidism that develops in adults in which mucusy material forms in 00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:33.120 the tissues makes the tongue thicken the skin gets coarse and inelastic but 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:39.760 variations of myxedema can cause a lot of strange diseases that are put down to 00:19:39.760 --> 00:19:45.000 genetic causes more often than hypothyroidism but you can cure them in 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:51.040 sometimes a week or two with the right dose of thyroid for example certain 00:19:51.040 --> 00:19:59.160 types of mitral valve prolapses are just from a an accumulation of a mucus like 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:06.720 material in the valve making it thick and inefficient glaucoma in low thyroid 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:14.000 involves a swelling and overproduction and increased thickness of the fluids in 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:21.200 the eyeball some types of Graves disease which most doctors think of as 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:28.760 hyperthyroidism but hypothyroidism which causes the pituitary to become 00:20:28.760 --> 00:20:36.840 overactive hypothyroidism very predictably tends to cause bulging eyes 00:20:36.840 --> 00:20:45.920 because the thyroid stimulating hormone from the pituitary causes a mucusy 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:53.040 material to form in the area behind the eyeball causing a protrusion of the 00:20:53.040 --> 00:21:04.680 eyeball the mucusy materials that are overproduced also can cause blood vessel 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:11.400 inefficiency and rigidity and contributes to things like varicose 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:20.880 veins and when this material gets in the joints it causes cartilage deformities 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:29.120 the old textbooks used to show teenagers with deformed joints that caused the 00:21:29.120 --> 00:21:35.480 same deviation of the bones at the elbow joint especially and the knee joint 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:41.560 especially with knock knees for example but in old people you see the fingers 00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:49.360 deviating to one side because the cartilage is getting deformed the right 00:21:49.360 --> 00:21:55.400 balance of thyroid and the youth associated hormones progesterone and 00:21:55.400 --> 00:22:02.080 pregnenolone and to some extent DHEA will rebalance the production of these 00:22:02.080 --> 00:22:08.520 mucus like molecules the glycoproteins and mucopolysaccharides they're called 00:22:08.520 --> 00:22:16.280 and in just a week or two you can often correct the deformity in a permanent way 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:26.640 so that the joint functions without pain or distortion all of the chronic 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:33.040 diseases to the extent that they involve this false adaptation in which the 00:22:33.040 --> 00:22:39.740 thyroid tries to put you into a sort of hibernation state all of the chronic 00:22:39.740 --> 00:22:46.600 diseases tend to benefit from the right supplement of these youth associated 00:22:46.600 --> 00:22:59.080 hormones and the history of medical thyroid treatment is necessary before a 00:22:59.080 --> 00:23:07.960 person can understand what the doctor is doing with the tests typically a doctor 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:17.120 will diagnose normal thyroid function on the basis of a test of the thyroxine in 00:23:17.120 --> 00:23:23.440 the blood and sometimes backs that up with the normal range TSH or thyroid 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:37.200 stimulating hormone the TSH usually is somewhere in the range between 0.5 and 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:44.840 6 units and a person will be called normal when it's anywhere in that range 00:23:44.840 --> 00:23:51.400 but when it's above one unit in other words when it's just anywhere above the 00:23:51.400 --> 00:24:00.480 lowest normal range the TSH is already causing excess production of the 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:10.480 mucopolysaccharides that tend to load up the various tissues but still a person 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:20.040 will be considered normal in terms of the blood thyroid tests because the 00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:28.720 thyroxine is defined as the thyroid hormone itself on the basis of some 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:35.200 studies that were done 50 years ago the thyroxine is said to be normal in a 00:24:35.200 --> 00:24:43.080 range of for example from 4 to 12 units if you took any other biological 00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:49.280 indicator and and gave it such a wide range 4 to 12 in the case of thyroxine 00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:59.320 or 0.5 to 6.0 in the case of TSH you would have for example blood sugar 00:24:59.320 --> 00:25:06.560 ranging from the level at which it causes convulsions and death up into the 00:25:06.560 --> 00:25:12.240 low diabetic range and you would call all of those normal or cholesterol 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:19.320 ranging from the range of the low cholesterol that is associated with 00:25:19.320 --> 00:25:28.600 cancer and strokes up into the very high like three or four hundred milligrams of 00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:36.320 cholesterol so it's a very strange thing that thyroid is given such a definition 00:25:36.320 --> 00:25:44.560 that makes almost everything get called normal what happened was in the 1940s 00:25:44.560 --> 00:25:50.600 forty percent of the American population was known to benefit from thyroid 00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:59.920 supplement and they had a low oxygen consumption but a drug company came out 00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:07.000 with a blood test that was called the protein bound iodine test and it seemed 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:12.080 like a rational scientific thing to say that if a person had plenty of protein 00:26:12.080 --> 00:26:17.640 bound iodine in their blood their thyroid would be okay because people 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:26.720 knew that an iodine deficiency caused hypothyroidism at that time so the blood 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:34.120 test found that 95% of Americans had plenty of protein bound iodine and when 00:26:34.120 --> 00:26:41.560 I was in school all of my fat friends with the traditional symptoms of low 00:26:41.560 --> 00:26:48.200 thyroid had been taught to say no I don't have a glandular problem I'm just 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:55.960 lazy and gluttonous that was passed through the whole culture in the late 00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:03.280 1940s and early 50s then in the 60s it turned out that the protein bound iodine 00:27:03.280 --> 00:27:10.240 test had essentially no relationship to thyroid function and now it's a standard 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:17.960 textbook point that high doses of iodine can be used to suppress a highly active 00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:26.680 thyroid when it turned out that the protein bound iodine test was proven 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:32.240 invalid it goes up when your estrogen is high for example knocking out your 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:38.960 thyroid function new tests were brought to the market actually measuring 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:46.920 thyroxine and what happened was they kept the standard idea that only 5% of 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:52.760 the population was hypothyroid even though the test used to establish that 00:27:52.760 --> 00:27:59.960 concept was proven completely meaningless so what we have kept is this 00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:05.160 doctrine that 95% of the population don't need thyroid and no matter what 00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:11.840 kind of test we use we have to stretch the test to fit the doctrine that only 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:18.120 5% can get thyroid. Dr. Peat we're coming up to our halfway mark in this segment 00:28:18.120 --> 00:28:23.320 of our program we're going to take a 60 second station identification break and 00:28:23.320 --> 00:28:28.560 when we return let's get into some of the other conditions that a low thyroid 00:28:28.560 --> 00:28:34.000 can affect our cholesterol level arthritis like symptoms has melatonin 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:40.960 being found to inhibit progesterone and stimulate estradiol secretion and how do 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:46.080 we help the thyroid I'm Gary Noll back in 60 seconds. I'm Gary Noll and I'd like 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:51.720 to welcome you to our program. In this segment of our program we're going to be 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:57.520 continuing with a discussion in part about our thyroid and I've invited a 00:28:57.520 --> 00:29:02.960 very articulate he's soft-spoken but he is you can see the professor in him and 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:08.100 the educator because he's being very methodical he's giving us the larger 00:29:08.100 --> 00:29:14.120 context he's giving us the cause and effect and so we're learning an enormous 00:29:14.120 --> 00:29:17.880 amount about conditions that we didn't know were related to the thyroid gland 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:24.840 in all ages and all body types. So let's continue with Dr. Ray Peat P-E-A-T and 00:29:24.840 --> 00:29:30.120 Dr. Peat let's continue with our discussion. Okay you mentioned the 00:29:30.120 --> 00:29:41.160 hormones estrogen and how it relates to melatonin with increasing age people 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:49.200 have made the big thing of the fact that melatonin which peaks about 3 a.m. in 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:58.040 everyone that this peak is a little bit smaller in old age but it happens that 00:29:58.040 --> 00:30:08.280 thyroid is being increased with aging as the thyroid decreases the melatonin 00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:17.080 decreases because when thyroid is active your melatonin comes up as an 00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:22.180 antioxidant defense against the high metabolic rate that thyroid can 00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:27.440 stimulate so when your thyroid is low your melatonin is low when your thyroid 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:34.800 is high the melatonin is high in an illogical adaptation because it is an 00:30:34.800 --> 00:30:43.640 antioxidant but the function of melatonin all by itself when it isn't 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:52.760 surrounded by the appropriate other conditions melatonin in studies done in 00:30:52.760 --> 00:31:01.760 pig tissue by a man named siratkin pigs are relatively close to humans in having 00:31:01.760 --> 00:31:07.120 daytime habits nighttime sleep and so on which is very important for melatonin 00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:15.920 because it's a nighttime dominant hormone in pigs he found that melatonin 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:27.000 suppresses progesterone and raises estrogen and this happens to be the same 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:33.360 thing that low thyroid does so if the melatonin rises in proportion to your 00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:40.080 thyroid it doesn't matter that it is having these pro-estrogen anti 00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:45.920 progesterone effects because the thyroid is doing exactly the opposite to those 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:52.280 hormones and is taking care of the situation because thyroid gets rid of 00:31:52.280 --> 00:31:58.360 the excess estrogen while producing being totally responsible for producing 00:31:58.360 --> 00:32:05.680 progesterone but if you take melatonin out of context as he did in the pig 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:13.680 study you're going to get exactly an anti thyroid effect deranging those 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:22.720 hormones in the direction of stress and aging some of the current publicity that 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.600 is used to promote the fact that melatonin makes you go to sleep it 00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:37.560 happens to be also and a thing that goes up during hibernation and its function 00:32:37.560 --> 00:32:43.800 is to lower the body temperature and remember the hospitalized patients who 00:32:43.800 --> 00:32:49.800 the ones who had the lowest temperatures were the least likely to survive because 00:32:49.800 --> 00:32:58.480 as the the thyroid goes down and your body temperature falls you lose a 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:04.080 lot of your immune functions and tissue repair capacity so lowering your body 00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:11.400 temperature does make you hibernate and it does make you sleep but you don't 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:19.040 want to use something out of context to force that the studies that have been 00:33:19.040 --> 00:33:27.720 used to advocate melatonin possibly anti-aging effect were done on mice and 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:36.080 rats and that it turns out that they are very opposite to human beings and pigs 00:33:36.080 --> 00:33:42.400 because they work at night in general and sleep in the daytime and so 00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:48.120 melatonin for them has exactly the opposite meaning that it does for people 00:33:48.120 --> 00:33:59.440 and pigs and for example in in humans and rats melatonin raises prolactin but 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:05.200 in humans prolactin knocks out progesterone production and causes 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:12.560 infertility and stress and osteoporosis for example but in rats it happens and 00:34:12.560 --> 00:34:21.080 mice it happens that melatonin raising prolactin for them prolactin raises 00:34:21.080 --> 00:34:27.400 their progesterone and progesterone has the pro-life anti-aging effect so 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:35.640 melatonin has been confused by a lot of this rodent based research which is 00:34:35.640 --> 00:34:46.080 opposite in many ways to what it does in people and pigs the effect of thyroid on 00:34:46.080 --> 00:34:54.600 the liver is to not only make it store energy to keep up the blood sugar and 00:34:54.600 --> 00:35:00.760 prevent the stress cortisol and adrenaline reactions but it is to 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.880 activate the liver so that it can destroy a hundred percent of the 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:13.160 estrogen arriving at the liver the liver when it has adequate protein and thyroid 00:35:13.160 --> 00:35:21.000 is just absolutely efficient at getting rid of the estrogen so when you lower 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:27.920 the thyroid function you raise the estrogen that is allowed to circulate in 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:37.680 the organism that happens not only from low thyroid or high melatonin but from 00:35:37.680 --> 00:35:45.280 malnutrition especially protein deficiency doesn't let the liver have 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:54.000 this detoxifying function so low protein amounts to low thyroid in many ways and 00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:01.080 leads to excess estrogen abnormal risk of blood clotting stroke and heart 00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:09.200 disease and so on if you look at the ovaries when in a dog or a cow for 00:36:09.200 --> 00:36:17.040 example they have removed the animal's thyroid the ovaries develop a polycystic 00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:26.320 condition instead of just one dominant egg follicle preparing for ovulation the 00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:34.200 ovaries fill up with a lot of these fluid filled chambers and ovulation is 00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:42.240 abnormal and they develop the tendency to produce an excess of estrogen so at 00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:49.720 many levels low thyroid leads to an excess influence persistence and 00:36:49.720 --> 00:36:57.640 overproduction of estrogen and it's interesting that the accumulation of 00:36:57.640 --> 00:37:04.840 fluid it's one of these mucopolysaccharides again that swells up 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:12.600 fills up these many cystic follicles in the ovaries it's the same sort of 00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:19.640 material that fills up the eyeball in glaucoma which is also promoted by low 00:37:19.640 --> 00:37:29.680 thyroid and high pituitary hormones the there are these integrating factors that 00:37:29.680 --> 00:37:36.320 in some ways the it's like an all-or-nothing function for the body the 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:41.080 direction of estrogen dominance or the direction of thyroid and progesterone 00:37:41.080 --> 00:37:50.080 dominance and low protein used to be just sort of a laboratory experiment but 00:37:50.080 --> 00:37:56.960 in the last three or four years books have come out advocating almost a 00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:04.400 protein-free diet and so I've had the chance to see many people who have 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:11.840 absolutely low thyroid symptoms with high estrogen simply because they're not 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:17.280 eating adequate protein it it probably should be something like at least 50 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:24.000 grams of the highest quality protein available and one thing that happens in 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:34.160 the vegetable diet heavily based on cabbage family or beans lentils and nuts 00:38:34.160 --> 00:38:43.200 these proteins in quality rank about 15 times lower than the highest quality 00:38:43.200 --> 00:38:48.960 proteins and so even though a person might think they're eating nothing but 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:56.800 protein-rich foods beans and nuts the quality is so low that their their liver 00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:04.440 simply can't respond to the thyroid besides that the beans and nuts have 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:14.040 many anti thyroid factors the some of these are being promoted in for 00:39:14.040 --> 00:39:22.240 different effects that they achieve the bio flavonoids the essential so-called 00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:30.080 essential fatty acids or the unsaturated fats these are among other things 00:39:30.080 --> 00:39:39.680 pro-estrogen and anti thyroid so it's a combination of low protein and a whole 00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:46.680 lot of thyroid inhibiting chemicals that the population is being exposed to that 00:39:46.680 --> 00:39:58.360 is increasing the incidence of a lot of these degenerative diseases the 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:06.320 unsaturated fats show up first in animals after weaning in in some 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:14.560 experiments when the pregnant animal is given a certain amount of these bean 00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:23.520 oils soybean oil for example or corn oil the mother's body protects the fetus 00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:29.560 from absorbing these and the little bit that gets into the fetus tends to be 00:40:29.560 --> 00:40:36.480 expelled into the fetuses intestine showing that the developing embryo and 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:46.000 fetus act as if they don't want to absorb unsaturated fats the nursing baby 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:55.200 also is highly protected so that if you look at the respiratory enzymes in their 00:40:55.200 --> 00:41:02.120 mitochondria in all of their organs especially the brain during embryonic 00:41:02.120 --> 00:41:09.680 and fetal development and even during nursing these are extremely deficient in 00:41:09.680 --> 00:41:16.800 unsaturated fatty acids that are called essential fatty acids and in some 00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:23.160 experiments they found that the brain didn't develop properly if the baby if 00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:29.520 the developing fetus didn't have saturated fats in sufficient quantity 00:41:29.520 --> 00:41:40.120 and if an extreme amount of unsaturated fats were fed to the pregnant animals 00:41:40.120 --> 00:41:48.480 the baby's brain was inhibited and this is being reviewed in the last few months 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:56.560 people are pointing out again that an excess or even a high normal amount of 00:41:56.560 --> 00:42:04.320 the unsaturated fats causes retarded brain growth in late fetal development 00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:15.200 or during the nursing stage even though the the fetus in the mother's body or 00:42:15.200 --> 00:42:21.200 receiving only maternal milk even though it is protected against the unsaturated 00:42:21.200 --> 00:42:30.280 fats at some point the young animal begins eating food from the environment 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:38.400 and when you analyze the mitochondrial oxygen using enzymes you see that at 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.680 this point they start absorbing the unsaturated so-called essential fatty 00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:52.440 acids and as they absorb the unsaturated fats such as linoleic acid their 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:58.280 activity declines the respiratory enzymes themselves begin to act more 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:07.120 slowly and when you look at the whole chain involved in oxygen consumption 00:43:07.120 --> 00:43:14.080 which is essential for the high metabolic activity of young animals the 00:43:14.080 --> 00:43:20.000 whole chain from the respiratory oxygen using enzyme all the way back to the 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:26.240 production of thyroid hormone and the transport of the thyroid hormone at 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:34.160 every stage conceivable the unsaturated fatty acids linoleic and linoleic and 00:43:34.160 --> 00:43:40.160 it's worse in proportion to the number of double bonds so that linoleic is 00:43:40.160 --> 00:43:47.560 about half again as inhibiting as linoleic acid to the thyroid and to the 00:43:47.560 --> 00:43:56.280 respiratory enzymes so the newborn or newly weaned animal has an extremely 00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:03.680 high respiratory rate and its brain is growing at a very fast rate but as it 00:44:03.680 --> 00:44:10.960 absorbs these environmental vegetable synthesized fats its metabolic rate 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:19.000 slows down its thyroid function slows down and you get a curve of slowing 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:27.520 activity from weaning bending sharply at puberty and leveling off in the 20s and 00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:36.600 then going downhill this curve is very closely similar to the curve of loading 00:44:36.600 --> 00:44:44.080 up of the tissues with the unsaturated fatty acids and you can restore the 00:44:44.080 --> 00:44:50.960 activity of the respiratory enzymes simply by changing the dietary fats but 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:58.520 a complete change since since the fat layers the adipose tissue since it 00:44:58.520 --> 00:45:05.480 stores what the animal has been eating it takes typically four years for a 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.960 complete exchange of fat even after you've made a complete change in your 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:18.960 diet but momentarily if you for example take half an ounce of coconut oil you 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:27.280 get a burst of thyroid like activity and your cells respire more intensely for 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:34.520 about an hour until that fat is burned up but after about two years of a 00:45:34.520 --> 00:45:40.520 changed diet you've burned up roughly half of your stored inhibiting 00:45:40.520 --> 00:45:48.480 unsaturated fats and your metabolism stabilizes at a much higher level so it 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:57.200 to to correct the age-associated decline of thyroid function and of respiratory 00:45:57.200 --> 00:46:05.920 energy production you could take a thyroid supplement or you could simply 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:12.000 change your diet away from the inhibitors the fatty acids are one type 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:20.240 of metabolic inhibitor there are a few others for example the age pigment is 00:46:20.240 --> 00:46:27.680 something that is constructed inside our cells every time we're under stress and 00:46:27.680 --> 00:46:36.480 don't get enough oxygen in effect iron is released from storage put into an 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:43.200 activated state in which it can attack the unsaturated fats that happen to be 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:48.080 in the cell at the time and the combination of the unsaturated fat and 00:46:48.080 --> 00:46:55.000 the iron and the stress turns these unsaturated fats into age pigment or 00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:01.800 lipofuscin which accumulates in all of the tissues it's found as the main 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:10.080 material in cataracts in the lens of the eye in the atheroma in the wall of blood 00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:16.960 vessels that are deteriorating from age and stress in the heart that is aging 00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:22.440 and susceptible to all kinds of malfunction in the Alzheimer's brain and 00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:31.680 so on the age pigment accumulates and it in itself gets an enzyme function which 00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:41.680 bypasses the good energy producing system so after a certain point even 00:47:41.680 --> 00:47:51.680 changing your diet away from the the toxic inhibiting fats won't do the job 00:47:51.680 --> 00:47:58.320 of restoring your thyroid function if you have accumulated so much of this age 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:07.800 pigment because it is going to waste any oxygen that your cells can receive the 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:17.000 at this point a whole system of degenerative conditions sets in in which 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:24.560 the mucoproteins increase because of the stress conditions which are basically 00:48:24.560 --> 00:48:29.320 the same as the low thyroid conditions all of these lead to accumulating 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:36.240 mucoid materials accumulating the blood vessels are lined with this material the 00:48:36.240 --> 00:48:41.560 white the red blood cells can't pick up oxygen as efficiently because of this 00:48:41.560 --> 00:48:49.360 mucopolysaccharide layer the lung sacs get expanded and thickened so that the 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:55.240 air doesn't diffuse through them efficiently and that increases the 00:48:55.240 --> 00:49:04.000 susceptibility of the aging animal to stress a smaller stress makes them more 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:11.960 acutely oxygen deficient and that produces the age pigment at an even 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:24.280 higher rate the several people are working on ways to remove the age 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:31.480 pigment you can take brain cells in culture which have age pigment in them 00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:39.120 and one experimenter added vitamin e to the cultured brain cells and found that 00:49:39.120 --> 00:49:45.960 in just two weeks the age pigment had been consumed or eliminated from the 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:52.640 cells but in that experiment they administered the vitamin e dissolved in 00:49:52.640 --> 00:49:58.920 ethyl alcohol and they had to do a control experiment giving just that 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:05.320 amount of ethyl alcohol it turned out to be almost as effective as the vitamin e 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:15.120 so it's been known to be in a free radical quencher it breaks the chain of 00:50:15.120 --> 00:50:22.920 lipid peroxide production and so that suggests that there are probably many 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:30.160 antioxidants that would help to eliminate age pigment but the first 00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:37.360 problem is simply to slow or stop the production of it by avoiding overloading 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:44.560 on the things which are known to produce it such as soy oil corn oil excess iron 00:50:44.560 --> 00:50:53.600 and so on even chronic heavy meat eating tends to make American men overload their 00:50:53.600 --> 00:51:03.240 tissues with iron and it happens that the immune system works better in people 00:51:03.240 --> 00:51:09.320 who by national standards are deficient in iron in other words our standards 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:19.920 seem to be too high on what they recommend for adequate iron it would be 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:28.280 a little bit better to eat less iron so Dr. Peat we only have about six minutes 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.760 to go in our program yeah I think it'd be good if you took that six minutes to 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:35.240 explain how to build up a healthy thyroid gland to help overcome these 00:51:35.240 --> 00:51:41.680 conditions okay the first thing is to make sure you're eating adequate 00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:50.920 protein such as milk cheese eggs I'm naming them in order of declining iron 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:59.440 content milk is designed to allow the newborn baby to escape or grow into the 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:06.960 overcharge of iron it's it's born with so milk is a way of helping to unload 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:13.920 the body from iron milk milk and cheese are actually deficient in iron and then 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:22.280 eggs and shellfish ocean grown fish and particularly shellfish are beneficial 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:29.440 because shellfish use copper as their blood instead of iron or ordinary fish 00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:38.480 use iron and so you can avoid iron by occasionally substituting oysters 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:51.160 lobster shrimp or crab for fish chicken or meat vegetables are in general 00:52:51.160 --> 00:52:57.920 moderate to high sources of iron but bread and pasta products have iron 00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:06.080 supplemented in this country and that in itself I think is reason to totally give 00:53:06.080 --> 00:53:15.520 up bread and pasta because you are actually seeing a serious increase in 00:53:15.520 --> 00:53:24.440 iron overload diseases in this country after assuring that you have a good high 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:32.520 protein intake then getting your calories in a safe and non-toxic way is 00:53:32.520 --> 00:53:40.760 the next thing and since the unsaturated fats are produced according to the 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:48.680 coldness at which the organism grows because our bodies live at 98 or 99 00:53:48.680 --> 00:53:56.040 degrees Fahrenheit their fats any organism that lives at that temperature 00:53:56.040 --> 00:54:01.000 such as palm trees in the tropics these fats have to be stable at high 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:08.360 temperatures but at refrigerator temperature they harden and so organisms 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:14.720 like fish that live in cold water or soybeans or or grains that live in cold 00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:20.920 climates have to have unsaturated oils in proportion to the coldness of the 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:29.000 environment otherwise the cells couldn't metabolize the oils would harden and in 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:36.280 those cold temperatures the unsaturated oils don't get rancid very quickly as 00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:45.240 soon as you eat an oil from a cold living organism it starts turning to 00:54:45.240 --> 00:54:51.160 peroxide varnish structure. Okay now remember don't get don't get too 00:54:51.160 --> 00:54:57.040 technical we only have two minutes to go and you got to summarize. Okay the ideal 00:54:57.040 --> 00:55:03.880 calorie source I think is tropical fruits and tropical oils especially 00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:13.320 coconut oil and any tropical fruit that lives at a high temperature papayas the 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:23.920 custard apple family pineapples anything that that is full of carbohydrates is 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:32.960 likely to be reasonably low in iron and high in all of the other vitamins and 00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:39.960 reasonable for minerals and they are important as a source of magnesium meat 00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:46.160 and shellfish and fish and so on give you quite a bit of magnesium but the 00:55:46.160 --> 00:55:53.680 fruits are a major source of magnesium without overloading us on iron and the 00:55:53.680 --> 00:56:01.460 toxic substances because fruits in general from the tropics have small 00:56:01.460 --> 00:56:10.200 amounts of the thyroid inhibiting substances. Seeds in general have the 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:17.760 thyroid inhibiting substances for a variety of reasons namely the worst of 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:24.320 them is that plants evolve poisons to prevent their seeds being eaten because 00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:30.320 they wouldn't have a next generation if animals found the seeds palatable and 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:36.280 safe to eat so the worst poisons plants have are put in the seeds and they turn 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:42.360 out to be metabolic inhibitors enzyme inhibitors but the fruit generally is 00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:47.960 evolved to serve to distribute the seeds so it's evolved to be safe to the 00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:58.160 animals. Potatoes are the only vegetable protein which is of quality equal to egg 00:56:58.160 --> 00:57:05.200 yolk it's actually a little higher in quality because it contains precursors 00:57:05.200 --> 00:57:11.600 to the essential amino acids it has more protein in effect than it actually has 00:57:11.600 --> 00:57:19.640 in substance and people misjudge potatoes because they're given as two to 00:57:19.640 --> 00:57:25.320 four percent because wet potatoes are measured where beans are measured in the 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:31.600 dry state and have 40% protein but that you have to divide the bean protein by 00:57:31.600 --> 00:57:37.000 10 to make it equivalent to potatoes. So you're saying potatoes are 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:41.320 good. Dr. Peat we're out of time I want to thank you very much for being with us 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:46.760 a very informed guest very educational. Dr. Ray Peat author of good books 00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:51.200 including Nutrition for Women, Progesterone and Orthomolecular Medicine 00:57:51.200 --> 00:57:56.440 and Generative Energy. I'm Gary and all of you want a copy of today's show call 00:57:56.440 --> 00:58:04.400 212-799-1246 and ask for the program on thyroid. See you tomorrow.