WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:10.720 Well, welcome to the Get Fit with Jodell show. 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:17.920 I am, as usual, Jodell, and I am so excited to have Dr. Ray Peat with me today. 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:21.800 He's someone you're about to come to love, just as I do. 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:26.280 He graciously is sharing his time with me today over the phone. 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.720 You will be amazed at the knowledge that he is about to drop. 00:00:29.720 --> 00:00:36.520 I'm sure the laundry list of credentials this man holds, as well as just his passion for 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:37.520 helping people. 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:40.640 Well, let's just say it's more than you or I could ever dream of holding. 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:47.400 So Dr. Peat has a PhD in biology from the University of Oregon, specializing in physiology. 00:00:47.400 --> 00:00:52.120 He has taught at the University of Oregon Urbana College, Montana State University, 00:00:52.120 --> 00:00:58.840 National College of Naturopathic Medicine, Universidad Veracruzana, and the Universidad 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:05.720 Autonoma del Estado de Mexico, and Blake College as well. 00:01:05.720 --> 00:01:11.920 Over the years, he has worked with many private clients with nutritional counseling. 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:17.480 He started his research in 1968, so long before any of us so-called nutrition nerds who make 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:23.760 videos on YouTube, myself included, were even born, mainly regarding progesterone and the 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:29.320 hormones closely related to it as protectors of the body's structure and energy against 00:01:29.320 --> 00:01:33.320 harmful effects of estrogen, radiation, stress, and lack of oxygen. 00:01:33.320 --> 00:01:34.840 I'm not done yet. 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:40.800 He also is an editor and writer of his famous newsletter he puts out, as well as the author 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:46.000 for some fantastic quick reads, "When You Have a Moment," one of which is my favorite 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:47.920 Nutrition for Wisdom. 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:52.200 He's also an artist, and some of his artwork, as well as his amazing blog post, can be seen 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:53.680 at raypeat.com. 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:58.000 Dr. Peat, I'm so excited to speak with you today. 00:01:58.000 --> 00:01:59.000 How are you doing? 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:00.000 Very good. 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.000 Thank you. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:02.000 Good. 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:08.120 Will you please tell my listeners briefly what got you into this passion you have for 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:13.800 all things related to stress, hormones, thyroid, and really helping people feel more optimal? 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:24.640 In the 1950s and '60s, I was interested in psychology and language. 00:02:24.640 --> 00:02:31.120 I started a school in Mexico, Blake College. 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:38.840 That was just a general liberal arts school for both United States students and local 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:39.840 Mexican students. 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:48.760 In the process, I noticed that lots of the local people in Mexico were eating a very 00:02:48.760 --> 00:02:49.760 bad diet. 00:02:49.760 --> 00:03:01.000 A couple of my friends had family members who were very sick. 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:08.960 Having read Adele Davis' books, I suggested some of her nutritional therapies. 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:15.720 For example, a friend's nephew had been in the hospital for two or three days with diarrhea 00:03:15.720 --> 00:03:16.720 that they couldn't control. 00:03:16.720 --> 00:03:17.720 The third day, I think, they said she wouldn't live the night. 00:03:17.720 --> 00:03:31.200 At that point, my friend decided there was no harm in trying the vitamin B6 supplement 00:03:31.200 --> 00:03:39.160 that was one of Adele Davis' recommendations for diarrhea. 00:03:39.160 --> 00:03:48.160 He gave the little kid this 10-milligram tablet of vitamin B6. 00:03:48.160 --> 00:03:51.160 Within the hour, her diarrhea had stopped. 00:03:51.160 --> 00:03:56.960 She was recovered in just a couple of days. 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:57.960 No more problems. 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:10.280 A single vitamin did what the whole hospital staff couldn't manage with intravenous treatments 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:11.280 and so on. 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:21.640 I realized that a lot of information wasn't getting into the medical system. 00:04:21.640 --> 00:04:33.200 I decided, after coming back to the U.S., to study biology instead of just the humanities, 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:37.840 language, psychology, and literature. 00:04:37.840 --> 00:04:50.280 In graduate school, I ran into the same dogmatism and ignoring the really important practical 00:04:50.280 --> 00:04:52.400 information. 00:04:52.400 --> 00:05:00.920 I had planned to study brain biology, but I saw that the professors were locked into 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:06.120 a dogmatic view of how a nerve works. 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:14.720 Looking through the whole University of Oregon, I found that the reproductive physiology department 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:27.280 was actually doing open research trying to discover what causes the infertility of aging 00:05:27.280 --> 00:05:34.720 and what the real factors in fertility and maintaining pregnancy are. 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:43.720 So I shifted from brain biology to reproductive physiology. 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:52.240 In examining what the factors are that make it possible for a fertilized ovum to develop 00:05:52.240 --> 00:06:03.440 the whole organism and a nervous system, I found that the brain is governed and formed 00:06:03.440 --> 00:06:14.640 by the same factors that govern the question of fertility or infertility. 00:06:14.640 --> 00:06:18.280 It's a very simple sort of a spectrum. 00:06:18.280 --> 00:06:25.600 The same things that cause infertility cause bad development of the brain. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:36.000 The brain is really the most sensitive part of the organism, and the same factors that 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:43.600 make it healthy make it possible for the ovum to implant in the uterus. 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:55.720 So I concentrated on the factors that are regulated by those hormones of fertility. 00:06:55.720 --> 00:07:07.800 I realized that the drug industry at that time, already for almost 30 years, had been 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:16.120 propagandizing the public with the idea that estrogen is the female hormone. 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:23.960 In our lab, we saw that estrogen was the contraceptive hormone, not the hormone of fertility and 00:07:23.960 --> 00:07:24.960 pregnancy. 00:07:24.960 --> 00:07:36.400 The pharmaceutical industry knew that estrogen made a good contraception pill. 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:42.160 It was actually causing abortions, but they didn't want to call it the abortion pill, 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.960 so they called it the anti-conception pill. 00:07:46.960 --> 00:07:56.800 The real hormone of fertility and brain development turns out to be progesterone, which works 00:07:56.800 --> 00:08:08.360 by providing energy to the developing embryo in the form of oxygen and glucose, primarily, 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:15.320 making energy most efficiently by oxidizing glucose. 00:08:15.320 --> 00:08:21.760 Estrogen is just one of the factors that interrupts that process. 00:08:21.760 --> 00:08:33.240 Estrogen creates a local inflammation in the uterus, a kind of wound that will allow the 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:41.560 ovum to be embedded in the tissue, but if the estrogen stays dominant, it kills the 00:08:41.560 --> 00:08:42.560 ovum. 00:08:42.560 --> 00:08:50.840 So the function of progesterone is to knock the estrogen out of the tissue and shift that 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:59.680 wound physiology, or local stress inflammatory physiology, into a supportive, oxidative, 00:08:59.680 --> 00:09:01.680 sugar-rich environment. 00:09:01.680 --> 00:09:07.600 Wow, that is not at all what we've been taught. 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:12.040 Even from a young age, I was always taught the importance of estrogen, but now we can 00:09:12.040 --> 00:09:16.840 clearly see, based on what you're saying, that it is like propaganda, what you mentioned. 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:23.440 So a lot of your work is done around these specific hormones like progesterone, but also 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:28.800 the reason I really got interested in your work is because you talk so much about stress 00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:32.080 and how it affects our system. 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:37.400 Would you say that stress is really the driving factor behind most disease and that it contributes 00:09:37.400 --> 00:09:40.400 to the rise in estrogen? 00:09:40.400 --> 00:09:49.400 The way I define stress, I would say that it is the factor in all disease. 00:09:49.400 --> 00:09:56.160 If you define it as a mismatch between organism and environment, then even the so-called genetic 00:09:56.160 --> 00:09:57.160 diseases are... 00:09:57.160 --> 00:10:10.960 For example, if you have sickle cell anemia in your genes, it happens that in Africa that's 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:23.560 a defensive gene, and if the people are eating a certain type of diet that maintains an oxidative 00:10:23.560 --> 00:10:28.600 condition in the cells, there is no sickle cell disease. 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.800 It's simply a defensive mutation in that environment. 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:37.800 But when you don't have that environment, then it shows up as a disease that when you're 00:10:37.800 --> 00:10:48.240 under stress, the cells change shape and cause pain and sickness and possibly death. 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:57.840 So the genetic diseases turn out to be a disease of stress when the environment isn't properly 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:58.840 supportive. 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:09.680 So you can see even genetic and infectious diseases as a matter of stress. 00:11:09.680 --> 00:11:18.440 If you have good nutrition, then the various bacteria in the environment won't cause dysentery, 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:25.920 for example, because your immune system takes care of them and stops the whole inflammatory 00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:26.920 process. 00:11:26.920 --> 00:11:40.960 And inflammation is the basic factor in why stress causes disease, and it's almost entirely 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:46.440 overlooked as a factor in stress. 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:57.280 Now it's coming to be recognized as a matter of all kinds of disease, heart disease and 00:11:57.280 --> 00:12:02.680 obesity for example, are seen to originate with a stress physiology. 00:12:02.680 --> 00:12:12.240 But what they're missing is that stress leads to inflammation and that leads to the various 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:13.240 specific diseases. 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:21.960 And when you say stress, you're not really just talking about day-to-day living stress. 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.960 You're talking about environmental stressors like radiation, you're talking about pollutants, 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:32.280 you're talking about the emotional stress, the mental stress and all of that environmental 00:12:32.280 --> 00:12:33.280 stress together, right? 00:12:33.280 --> 00:12:56.120 Yeah, it's when the environment is putting demands on you that you don't have the internal 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:57.120 resources to meet smoothly. 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:03.840 So if you're dealing with weather and climate and physical demand, work, exertion and so 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:12.080 on, without any stress at all, that same activity would kill someone who wasn't well nourished 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:16.400 or maybe who was 80 or 90 years old. 00:13:16.400 --> 00:13:26.520 So it's the matter of what kind of resources you have internally in proportion to the stress. 00:13:26.520 --> 00:13:31.240 Can you help us understand these stressors of our modernized society, like I mentioned 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:37.400 like radiation and even artificial light and things like that that can stress our system. 00:13:37.400 --> 00:13:44.120 What are all of the things in our modernized society that have led to this stress as the 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.040 main driving factor behind disease? 00:13:47.040 --> 00:14:02.720 The drug industry, all kinds of technological industries have tried to cover up the fact 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:11.480 that they are causing not only the disease of the people exposed to their products and 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:19.080 byproducts, but even the offspring, descendants of those people that they're exposing. 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:28.880 So there's a big propaganda movement over the last hundred years to try to convince 00:14:28.880 --> 00:14:33.760 the public that pollution is not harmful. 00:14:33.760 --> 00:14:42.760 Sixty years ago the government had a campaign to tell people that radiation was good for 00:14:42.760 --> 00:14:43.760 you. 00:14:43.760 --> 00:14:44.760 You've probably heard that. 00:14:44.760 --> 00:14:50.760 Hormesis is the idea of radiation hormesis or poison hormesis. 00:14:50.760 --> 00:14:57.880 That a little poison is good for you. 00:14:57.880 --> 00:15:04.040 That is a perversion of the idea of stress. 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:13.720 A teenager meeting a challenge, seeing for example a tennis game competition or swimming 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:22.280 a certain distance and so on, meeting a challenge that is interesting actually builds your body 00:15:22.280 --> 00:15:29.440 and abilities of having a goal to build something. 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:35.920 You develop your skills in doing it so you're becoming more in meeting that challenge. 00:15:35.920 --> 00:15:38.080 That is not a stress. 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:44.680 A stress is something that a demand that's put on you that you didn't ask for and that 00:15:44.680 --> 00:15:51.160 you don't have the ability to do easily and with pleasure. 00:15:51.160 --> 00:16:00.360 So when pleasure isn't involved in the action it's probably going to be harmful to you in 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:01.360 some way. 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:11.280 So just doing a boring and stupid job that many people spend their lives doing, that 00:16:11.280 --> 00:16:20.080 is poisoning your tissues constantly because you're not getting pleasure out of the activity. 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:26.960 I read that in Hans Selye's book Stress Without Distress. 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:30.760 That was one of the main sentences that I underlined when I was reading that book was 00:16:30.760 --> 00:16:35.840 how the stress that we're under has a lot to do with the fact that many people live 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:41.800 these lives trying to appease their parents or this job that they think they should do 00:16:41.800 --> 00:16:43.840 but they really don't like. 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.280 At the end of their life they're left frustrated and more stressed than ever and they usually 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:52.960 die of disease because of the chronic day in and day out life of something they didn't 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.640 choose and they didn't want to live and it was miserable existence and they didn't serve 00:16:56.640 --> 00:16:57.640 a purpose. 00:16:57.640 --> 00:17:02.480 So I don't think people think about how that is a stressor too, just doing a job that you 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:03.480 don't love. 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:14.480 Did you ever hear about the rat studies in which they enriched their environment, gave 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:23.160 them toys and things to play with and explore versus the rats that lived in ordinary little 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:27.520 rat cages and what happened to their brains? 00:17:27.520 --> 00:17:36.880 In the early 1960s at the University of California, Marion Diamond and several other people found 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:47.040 that the environment richness caused the brain to function better. 00:17:47.040 --> 00:17:54.800 The rats that had a playpen rather than a little box to live in solved problems better 00:17:54.800 --> 00:18:00.800 and they wondered why the brains were functioning better. 00:18:00.800 --> 00:18:10.200 They found that their enzymes had changed very distinctly and when they let those animals 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:17.360 reproduce their babies had bigger brains and were again more intelligent than the parents. 00:18:17.360 --> 00:18:28.080 So it's an inheritable brain improvement that happens just by having an enjoyable daily 00:18:28.080 --> 00:18:41.080 routine or lack of routine, daily little novel experiences, entertaining things to discover. 00:18:41.080 --> 00:18:48.360 The rats had playground equipment like swings and slides and balls and things. 00:18:48.360 --> 00:19:00.280 More recently it has been found that the enriched environment rats not only had bigger more 00:19:00.280 --> 00:19:09.440 intelligent brains but their whole bodies were producing more progesterone and more 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:16.080 recently still they were found to have lower levels of estrogen. 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:24.600 Back in the 70s Marion Diamond found that if you gave animals a supplement of progesterone 00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:32.560 their brains were bigger and when the mother was pregnant if you gave her estrogen their 00:19:32.560 --> 00:19:39.760 brains were shrunken because it stopped the growth by causing stress. 00:19:39.760 --> 00:19:46.200 So what you're saying is this enjoyment is what I call vitamin P, pleasure, passion, 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:50.200 purpose and I feel like there are a lot of people that are just doing a job and not living 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.440 a passion or a purpose. 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.760 But that's one thing that drew me to you is you can tell that what you're doing is a passion 00:19:56.760 --> 00:19:59.280 and it certainly serves a purpose. 00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:04.800 And I found you almost two years ago when I went through a really bad toxic mold exposure 00:20:04.800 --> 00:20:10.800 and my thyroid was hugely affected by that exposure so it was a huge stressor on my body 00:20:10.800 --> 00:20:16.320 even though I live a life that's pretty happy and I love my job and everything but my stress 00:20:16.320 --> 00:20:21.240 came from that environmental stress of like it completely tore apart my body, it completely 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:25.680 broke down my thyroid just from that toxic mold exposure that took about a year and a 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:30.480 half to bring my system back to full health from. 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:35.440 So how does the thyroid, I know you talk a lot about the thyroid and you're pretty passionate 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:40.360 about it, how does the thyroid get affected by chronic stress or even acute stressors 00:20:40.360 --> 00:20:41.360 like a toxic mold? 00:20:41.360 --> 00:20:51.960 I was talking about the polarity and fertility and brain development of estrogen and progesterone. 00:20:51.960 --> 00:21:04.280 In the background, the oxidative sugar metabolism that is controlled on the cell level by estrogen 00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:12.800 and progesterone, in the background it requires thyroid hormone to work. 00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:21.600 You don't have any oxygen metabolism without thyroid so that's the without which not the 00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:24.200 progesterone operates. 00:21:24.200 --> 00:21:34.520 And when someone cultured, took a slice of thyroid gland, put it in a culture dish and 00:21:34.520 --> 00:21:46.160 added hormones to it, they saw that if you added progesterone, the thyroid gland secreted 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:56.600 the active thyroid hormone, it activated enzymes causing the thyroglobulin or colloids that 00:21:56.600 --> 00:22:02.440 stored in the cell caused it to break down into the active thyroid hormones. 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:08.600 And when they added estrogen to the culture dish, it blocked those enzymes and stopped 00:22:08.600 --> 00:22:16.960 the secretion but it allowed the cells to go on synthesizing the thyroglobulin without 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:18.840 being able to produce the hormones. 00:22:18.840 --> 00:22:27.880 So that single experiment explained why girls in their teens and women around menopause 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:32.600 so often have a swollen thyroid gland. 00:22:32.600 --> 00:22:38.240 Those are the times when estrogen has the risk of becoming dominant. 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:45.360 If you're under stress, you can't produce enough progesterone and in that condition, 00:22:45.360 --> 00:22:53.240 the thyroid gland keeps producing the colloid or globulin but it can't convert it into the 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:59.480 active hormone and so your pituitary keeps driving the gland harder trying to make it 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:04.600 produce hormone and all it does is make the gland swell up. 00:23:04.600 --> 00:23:13.640 And so many women have had their thyroid gland destroyed either with surgery or radiation 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:21.120 when all they needed was something to either lower the estrogen or give them a progesterone 00:23:21.120 --> 00:23:22.120 supplement. 00:23:22.120 --> 00:23:31.320 Wow, I was just amazed at how my thyroid being damaged led to things like I had never had 00:23:31.320 --> 00:23:36.840 cellulite before and in three months time of an exposure to mold, the back of my legs 00:23:36.840 --> 00:23:40.920 went from completely smooth to completely cellulite ridden. 00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:43.280 What was the mechanism behind that? 00:23:43.280 --> 00:23:55.440 Well, when your thyroid isn't adequate, regardless of how much estrogen is in your tissue, your 00:23:55.440 --> 00:24:00.920 cells act as if they are under the influence of estrogen. 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:09.880 Something I found in my research at the university was that estrogen's effects can't be distinguished 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:18.480 biochemically, the metabolic effects can't be distinguished from the effects of radiation, 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:27.640 x-rays or suffocation, the elimination of oxygen or poisoning with cyanide or other 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:32.320 things that poison your oxidative system. 00:24:32.320 --> 00:24:40.680 And interestingly at that time people had already identified polyunsaturated fatty acids 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:50.400 as the source of age pigment and estrogen and radiation and oxygen deprivation all accelerate 00:24:50.400 --> 00:25:02.120 the formation of age pigment causing the polyunsaturated fatty acids to spontaneously oxidize and turn 00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:08.840 into a pigment which in itself consumes and wastes oxygen. 00:25:08.840 --> 00:25:17.240 So that got me interested in what the chronic exposure to polyunsaturated fats in the diet 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.560 is doing to people. 00:25:19.560 --> 00:25:29.880 And poisons such as your mold poisoning, all these poisonings of different sources chemically 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:36.400 or physically, they all end up acting like estrogen in that they poison your ability 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:37.400 to use oxygen. 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.400 Wow, I didn't even think about that. 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.680 I didn't even think about it really being like an estrogen in my body and that makes 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:51.600 complete sense because estrogen does put weight on your body and I changed nothing. 00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:57.400 In fact I exercised the same, I ate the exact same and yet I kept putting on weight and 00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.080 I was like, "This is not me. 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:00.080 I'm a nutritionist. 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:02.120 I know how to heal my body. 00:26:02.120 --> 00:26:04.080 I know how to feed my body." 00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:05.080 And yet nothing was working. 00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:07.000 It was like I was fighting a losing battle. 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.960 So that's so interesting that the mold actually acted like an estrogen. 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:14.560 Are there other things that also act like estrogens in our body too? 00:26:14.560 --> 00:26:19.880 I know there's xenoestrogens and obesogens and things like BPA plastics and stuff but 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:24.000 maybe there's other things that people don't think of that are acting like estrogens. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:37.880 In the 1930s soot was found to be highly estrogenic and that explains why smoke is such a carcinogen. 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:42.240 It simply is a very intense estrogen. 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:55.040 From a gob of black soot you can extract many different estrogens that work just like the 00:26:55.040 --> 00:26:59.600 manufactured synthetic estrogens. 00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:09.000 Some of the research companies were using soot derivatives to discover new estrogen 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.000 products. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:17.600 Soot is a type of demoxyphen, the anti-estrogen so-called, which itself has some estrogen 00:27:17.600 --> 00:27:18.600 effects. 00:27:18.600 --> 00:27:25.960 It grew out of that research of why soot is estrogenic. 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:36.480 And any uricin, anything that stimulates the cell so intensely that the oxidative system 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:42.080 can't keep up or anything that interrupts the use of oxygen. 00:27:42.080 --> 00:27:51.120 My recent newsletter on particulate, especially nanoparticles, much smaller like a tenth the 00:27:51.120 --> 00:27:53.160 size of a bacteria or smaller. 00:27:53.160 --> 00:28:01.760 These things are, some of them occur naturally in sandstorms and such. 00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:14.560 But industry smoke output, traffic, the friction of tires on pavement, the condensed materials 00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:21.880 from the smoke of vehicle traffic. 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:33.360 And not only these somewhat natural powdered materials put into the atmosphere, but the 00:28:33.360 --> 00:28:41.560 industry has discovered that nanoparticles are very convenient additives to, for example, 00:28:41.560 --> 00:28:47.320 thicken shampoo and toothpaste, even to thicken food. 00:28:47.320 --> 00:28:53.720 And it's permitted to use them as food additives. 00:28:53.720 --> 00:29:01.200 But when they're absorbed through the lungs or through the intestine or even through the 00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:10.480 skin, they enter cells and as an insoluble particle, if they have just the right shape, 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.240 they act as a constant stimulating irritant to the cell. 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:25.640 And that sort of disproportion between stimulation or irritation and the ability to supply energy, 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:31.280 that has an estrogenic and potentially carcinogenic action. 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:32.280 Wow. 00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:38.240 And some of these toxins in our environment you're talking about, would those also be 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:39.240 in supplements? 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:40.240 Oh, that's a horrifying thing. 00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:55.080 Some of the titanium dioxide and silicon dioxide, some of it is larger particles which are not 00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:58.520 so toxic, but still not safe. 00:29:58.520 --> 00:30:07.200 But these, even though they think they're putting in a larger granular material, these 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:12.080 very often contain the nanoparticles that are extremely toxic. 00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:21.840 And if you look at ingredients of vitamins, minerals, all kinds of supplements and drugs, 00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:27.720 you very often see one or the other or both titanium dioxide and silica. 00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.600 Yeah, something to watch out for, for sure. 00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:38.760 So that's why I really like Georgi's supplements, the Idea Labs, because he uses ingredients 00:30:38.760 --> 00:30:44.920 that are, none of those contain any sort of silica or anything that's really potentially 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:45.920 harmful. 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.440 So I appreciate his stuff and I know that you probably do as well. 00:30:49.440 --> 00:31:00.640 An example of what the particles are known to do, for just about a hundred years, vaccines 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:11.440 have been found to be more active in promoting immunity if they contain aluminum hydroxide, 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:20.600 which forms these very tiny particles which activate inflammation, generalized inflammation 00:31:20.600 --> 00:31:30.280 produced by those particles arouses your body to become immune to whatever germ and its 00:31:30.280 --> 00:31:34.040 infection happens to be present at the same time. 00:31:34.040 --> 00:31:44.080 So the medical industry has known for a hundred years that nanoparticles promote inflammation, 00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:52.680 but they're very reluctant to acknowledge that we should be taking them out of our food 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.960 rather than putting them in. 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.960 Yeah, so there's that stressor again, and then stress is again going to elevate the 00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:05.160 estrogen as well, and people wonder why we're getting fatter as a nation, so that's interesting 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:06.160 too. 00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.120 And talking about that, like, okay, so let's talk diets. 00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:12.960 Are there diets out there that are actually estrogenic too? 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:17.560 Are there certain diets that are kind of popular these days that could actually be hurting 00:32:17.560 --> 00:32:21.000 people as far as promoting estrogen versus helping them? 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:32.480 Yeah, the polyunsaturated fats are made more active by estrogen, but they in themselves 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.480 intensify estrogen activity. 00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:44.480 Even without estrogen, you'll get estrogen-like effects from any free radical entry, for example, 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.760 but you have this very strong interaction. 00:32:48.760 --> 00:33:00.080 The estrogen that you have is made more intense by the presence of especially the omega-3 00:33:00.080 --> 00:33:09.440 fatty acids, but both minus-6 and minus-3 polyunsaturated fats promote the effects of 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:10.440 estrogen. 00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:22.120 It's been known for about 40 years that their carcinogenicity involves interaction 00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:25.760 with the estrogen system. 00:33:25.760 --> 00:33:30.760 And so what are the most offending PUFAs or polyunsaturated fats? 00:33:30.760 --> 00:33:35.680 Which would you say are the most offending that people are regularly consuming? 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:48.080 Well, around 1950, the food industry had a lot of cottonseed oil that otherwise would 00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:54.240 have been wasted because it was no longer needed for the paint industry when petroleum 00:33:54.240 --> 00:34:00.040 chemistry started producing paint bases. 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:11.680 So these seed oils were turned into an American basic food material in the 1950s to dispose 00:34:11.680 --> 00:34:13.880 of industrial waste, really. 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:23.160 But it became a big industry, telling people that they were essential nutrients, and not 00:34:23.160 --> 00:34:31.240 only essential, but they were somehow to be therapeutic, preventing heart disease. 00:34:31.240 --> 00:34:39.920 So they called it the heart-protective diet, high in the omega-6 fatty acids. 00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:48.560 But a big study with veterans found that not only cancer, but heart disease itself was 00:34:48.560 --> 00:34:57.000 increased by eating the so-called heart-protective diet with the so-called essential fatty acids. 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:07.000 That was the turning point where people started turning against the N-6 fats as the essential 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:15.920 fatty acids and turning towards the N-3, characterized by fish oil, for example, but produced by 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.440 algae. 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:29.680 Since about 1970, there has been recognition that the soy oil, cottonseed oil, safflower 00:35:29.680 --> 00:35:39.840 seed oil, canola, all of the N-6 rich oils are carcinogenic and cause heart disease and 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.160 all other degenerative diseases. 00:35:43.160 --> 00:35:55.400 But the industry, for example, the fish industry had a lot of polluting waste. 00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:04.560 The Environmental Protection Agency criticized, said they had to do something to stop polluting 00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:09.520 the bays and surrounding landfills with the fish waste. 00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:21.120 That was about the time fish oil was discovered to be a health food. 00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:30.800 There is one advantage the N-3 oils have over the N-6 oils, is that they are extremely unstable 00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:40.360 and they block the effects of the N-6 as far as producing pro-inflammatory prostaglandins 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:41.360 goes. 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:52.920 So you do get an anti-inflammatory effect for the first few months from fish oil because 00:36:52.920 --> 00:37:01.640 it interferes, poisons the enzymes that make the prostaglandins that produce inflammation. 00:37:01.640 --> 00:37:15.400 But the extreme oxidative instability of the N-3 oils means that, for example, acrolein 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:30.160 is one of the toxic by-products of various food preparation processes, but it's the worst 00:37:30.160 --> 00:37:36.240 breakdown product of the fish oil category, N-3, the essence. 00:37:36.240 --> 00:37:45.920 There are several others that are the breakdown products that are reactive, aldehydes, hydroxynone, 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:57.680 enal, and several others come both from the N-6 and the N-3 fatty acids. 00:37:57.680 --> 00:38:07.840 Acrolein, for example, is known to poison sperm cells and oocytes. 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:20.320 The development of the ovum is impaired, tending to increase the risk of birth defects, both 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:27.320 in men and women, the acrolein and related breakdown products of the polyunsaturated 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:38.920 fats are poisoning the next generation as well as the person who is accumulating them. 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:53.960 In the growth process, the placenta is a thoroughly powerful filter against anything toxic getting 00:38:53.960 --> 00:39:00.400 into the developing embryo. 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:10.600 The energy that provides the growth of the embryo is primarily glucose, so a slightly 00:39:10.600 --> 00:39:20.840 diabetic mother is tending to accelerate the growth of the embryo because glucose is the 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:21.840 main growth energy. 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:30.920 But if you give the mother supplements of fish oil, some of this, enough of it gets 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:38.960 through the barrier of the placenta to slow the development, cause a reduced birth weight 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:41.960 and reduced brain function. 00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:49.960 Despite the evidence going back more than 40 years in animal studies showing this toxic 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:59.800 effect on the developing brain, they are still adding it to a baby formula and promoting 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:07.040 it as a brain growth factor rather than a brain poison. 00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:17.640 When a baby is born, a healthy baby shows signs of being deficient in the polyunsaturated 00:40:17.640 --> 00:40:30.400 fatty acids and that's taken as opportunity to sell fish oil for baby food. 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:41.800 But as the baby grows, it starts accumulating and building some of this polyunsaturated 00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:51.120 fat into its brain, but as it grows, its brain is enlarging and so from birth to age 20, 00:40:51.120 --> 00:40:58.080 there is only a slow accumulation of polyunsaturated fat in the brain. 00:40:58.080 --> 00:41:07.120 But when the growth process slows off around the age of 20, the food fats tend to accumulate 00:41:07.120 --> 00:41:15.560 in the fatty tissue and in the brain, which is most of the substance is fat rather than 00:41:15.560 --> 00:41:16.560 protein in the brain. 00:41:16.560 --> 00:41:30.840 So from the age of 20 to middle age, there is a steady increase of the N-3 fats in the 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:43.880 brain and in proportion to the amount of PUFA in the brain, especially N-3, the metabolic 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.120 rate, the oxidative metabolism slows down. 00:41:48.120 --> 00:41:57.600 So a baby's brain is oxidizing at a very high speed and the first few years of life, kids 00:41:57.600 --> 00:42:01.480 are extremely capable of learning. 00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.720 By the first grade, a kid knows about 6,000 words of their native language. 00:42:07.720 --> 00:42:19.360 But if you ask someone to learn that many words of a foreign language, it's going to 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:23.840 be a lot slower at an older age. 00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:35.120 At the age of 20, learning and oxidative metabolism both start declining at a faster rate and 00:42:35.120 --> 00:42:40.000 go on for the rest of the person's life. 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:51.360 With the decline of cognitive ability corresponding to the decline of oxidative metabolism and 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:58.360 the decline of being in proportion to the accumulated polyunsaturated fats in the brain, 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:02.360 they're stored in the form of esters with cholesterol. 00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:12.560 One of their functions that is harmful is that they interfere with the natural function 00:43:12.560 --> 00:43:19.680 of cholesterol in the brain, which is a normal stabilizing factor in the brain. 00:43:19.680 --> 00:43:25.240 And I think if people will realize that the first food for baby is actually breast milk, 00:43:25.240 --> 00:43:29.880 which is 50 to 60 percent saturated fat, they would see that if there was a creator that 00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:36.160 was willing to devise that our first food is saturated fat, they'd see that the polyunsaturated 00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:39.360 really don't have a place for us, correct? 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:51.440 Yes, and the amount of PUFA in a mother's blood corresponds pretty closely to the amount 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:52.440 of estrogen. 00:43:52.440 --> 00:44:01.720 So if she has too much estrogen, she won't produce enough milk. 00:44:01.720 --> 00:44:12.320 And it has been used pretty widely to stop lactation for women who don't want to breastfeed. 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:21.680 But in proportion to the estrogenicity the woman is experiencing, her blood will be enriched 00:44:21.680 --> 00:44:25.000 with polyunsaturated fats. 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.200 And so, okay, one other thing then. 00:44:27.200 --> 00:44:31.680 So we talked diet and certain foods, but what about people that are actually doing that 00:44:31.680 --> 00:44:36.400 diet of intermittent fasting to where they're fasting regularly and not eating? 00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.320 What kind of stressor is that on the system? 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.520 Is it something that's beneficial or not? 00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:54.240 If you're eating a very bad diet, not eating it is beneficial in the sense that you're 00:44:54.240 --> 00:44:57.680 not poisoning yourself during that time. 00:44:57.680 --> 00:45:12.840 But you have to consider the context, such as how good is the diet that you're not eating? 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:23.680 And the hours of darkness usually are the hours when people are careful not to eat if 00:45:23.680 --> 00:45:26.000 they're in that system. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:32.080 And blood sugar normally falls during the hours of darkness. 00:45:32.080 --> 00:45:39.640 And that is compensated by a rise in the free fatty acids in the bloodstream. 00:45:39.640 --> 00:45:47.040 And that's the same pattern that happens when you're under stress in the daytime. 00:45:47.040 --> 00:45:59.600 Anytime you are having more stimulation or irritation or burden of work demand, for example, 00:45:59.600 --> 00:46:04.880 then you have stored glycogen as energy to meet it. 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:13.560 When the glycogen is depleted, you are forced to mobilize free fatty acids from storage 00:46:13.560 --> 00:46:17.280 and to start oxidizing those for energy. 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:25.400 And that requires more oxygen per unit of energy produced. 00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:39.640 And so it tends to create a deficiency of glucose that leads to a waste of glucose because 00:46:39.640 --> 00:46:48.320 the fat metabolism is a strain on the ability to deliver oxygen to the system. 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:54.880 And when you aren't getting enough oxygen to the system, your body recognizes that the 00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.760 problem is that you aren't oxidizing glucose. 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:03.560 And so it starts turning protein to glucose. 00:47:03.560 --> 00:47:11.960 And it turns out that lactic acid rises even in the diabetic, for example, whose problem 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:18.000 is exactly that they can't oxidize glucose. 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:26.360 Lactic acid, which is a waste of glucose, it appears in the blood. 00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:33.480 When you're under stress, the rise of lactic acid is a good indicator of how much stress 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:34.480 you're under. 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:44.240 But every night as you mobilize free fatty acids, as your stored glycogen runs out, you 00:47:44.240 --> 00:47:49.320 start going into this stress state, producing lactate. 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:55.240 And that causes progressive damage of the mitochondria. 00:47:55.240 --> 00:48:07.800 In aging, if you look at the loss of bone matter in women, especially in the 30s and 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:16.320 40s, the bone that's being destroyed shows up in the urine as calcium. 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:25.640 Most of the day's bone destruction, which is just one sign of the aging degenerative 00:48:25.640 --> 00:48:33.120 process, most of the calcium shows up in the morning urine, showing that aging and degeneration 00:48:33.120 --> 00:48:35.320 happens during the night. 00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:44.480 And that stress physiology during the night is because we have run out of glycogen. 00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:56.000 And the longer you go without eating, the more you can rely on the inefficient fat oxidation 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:01.520 rather than glycogen and glucose. 00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:06.520 And a lot of people might be interested to hear that you are not really a fan of fat 00:49:06.520 --> 00:49:08.680 burning for energy. 00:49:08.680 --> 00:49:10.240 So talk to me about that. 00:49:10.240 --> 00:49:14.760 I love your philosophy behind it, but I want to hear it straight from you. 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:26.160 If you look at the difference between a woman's blood tests and a man's, most people would 00:49:26.160 --> 00:49:33.760 say since men have bigger muscles and bigger bones, you would assume that men have more 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.360 growth hormone in their blood than women do. 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:45.800 But someone recently saw that the methods used in testing growth hormone that showed 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:53.440 that women having maybe twice as much growth hormone as men, that was a mistaken technology. 00:49:53.440 --> 00:50:02.520 They found an 80 times greater growth hormone in women than in men. 00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:05.560 This is an effect of estrogen. 00:50:05.560 --> 00:50:13.520 Estrogen causes chronically high mobilization of pre-fatty acids in the blood. 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:20.040 And that is compensated by this extremely high production of growth hormone that is 00:50:20.040 --> 00:50:28.320 why women are to a great extent protected from that chronic exposure. 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:34.000 But that's an effect of estrogen dominance. 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:44.760 And so to the extent that you can minimize that, you can reduce that fat oxidizing chronic 00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.040 degenerative process. 00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:54.360 And so in that manner, you're more of a fan of the glucose system. 00:50:54.360 --> 00:51:00.520 So you actually advocate for people taking in things that will build their glycogen and 00:51:00.520 --> 00:51:05.360 consuming carbohydrates because carbohydrates make carbon dioxide in our body. 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.960 And can you tell us, you know, these are maybe some ways we can start mitigating some of 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:15.320 this stress and maybe how many people have been on these low carb diets that have kind 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:20.520 of become part of the problem and maybe what they could do to mitigate some of this stress 00:51:20.520 --> 00:51:23.840 and maybe it starts with having some forms of sugar. 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:24.840 Yes? 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:25.840 Yes. 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:33.240 I mean, at the end of the 19th century, first a doctor in Paris and then one in England 00:51:33.240 --> 00:51:42.480 cured several of their patients by feeding them as much sugar as they desired. 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:51.720 The traditional method they saw patients wasting away with diabetes and craving sugar, they 00:51:51.720 --> 00:52:00.040 called it the sugar disease and so they would lock away the sugar and feed them fat and 00:52:00.040 --> 00:52:06.120 meat and they wouldn't assimilate it properly and they would die. 00:52:06.120 --> 00:52:13.080 And these two doctors found that feeding them as much sugar as they craved, which would 00:52:13.080 --> 00:52:22.160 be about 12 ounces a day of highly refined pure sugar just added to a regular diet, cured 00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:23.160 their patients. 00:52:23.160 --> 00:52:33.920 And if you look at the function of the beta cells in the pancreas that make insulin, free 00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:41.160 fatty acids kill those cells and the free fatty acids are mobilized when you aren't 00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:48.280 having either sugar in the blood or the ability to oxidize the sugar. 00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:56.760 So the presence of free fatty acids is constantly killing the beta cells which are constantly 00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:02.360 regenerating as far as there is glucose available. 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:10.360 But glucose is a factor which supports the regeneration and differentiation of new insulin 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:11.360 producing cells. 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:26.280 And so what the French and English doctors 140 years ago discovered was that the function, 00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:33.800 all of their normal sugar regulating functions came back when they interrupted that destructive 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:44.120 process of what happens when you're craving sugar because you are using it inefficiently. 00:53:44.120 --> 00:53:49.080 I'm just so happy to hear you say that because it's so common sense if people will think 00:53:49.080 --> 00:53:54.520 about it since every cell of our body requires and especially the brain runs off of glucose, 00:53:54.520 --> 00:53:56.080 that's its preferred fuel. 00:53:56.080 --> 00:54:01.440 But the mainstream now you're hearing is keto and low carb and all of that and yet the people 00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:06.720 that are coming to me off of keto and low carb are saying, "I'm exhausted, I don't feel 00:54:06.720 --> 00:54:12.000 well, I can't handle stress, I can't work out anymore, I love eating low carb but I 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.440 don't know if it's working for me anymore." 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:15.440 What would you say to that? 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:27.840 The brain and muscles as well as the liver have to store glycogen to work and if you're 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:38.920 forced to make glucose to put back into those stores, you're doing it at the expense of 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.000 some part of your body. 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:50.120 Turning muscle tissue into glucose for example will keep you alive but it's degrading all 00:54:50.120 --> 00:54:55.200 of your functional tissues to use them to make glycogen. 00:54:55.200 --> 00:55:03.440 Without glycogen, your brain basically is what happens when a person is deprived of 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:04.440 sleep. 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:16.120 If they're kept awake, they start becoming confused, can't think properly and finally 00:55:16.120 --> 00:55:19.960 would die if they didn't get back to sleep. 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:28.120 Sleep is a process that allows the glycogen to be restored so that the brains can start 00:55:28.120 --> 00:55:34.560 functioning on a pure glucose regime. 00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:39.240 I'm living proof of that because any time I've ever done, even for a healing phase like 00:55:39.240 --> 00:55:45.800 of keto or carnivore, I did carnivory for a while just to try to heal because I was 00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:50.840 at a loss of how to heal from the toxic mold and my sleep always suffered but the minute 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.760 I added carbs back in, it was like all of a sudden my sleep would just dial itself back 00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:56.760 in. 00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:00.800 So isn't that so interesting that our body really is telling us in so many ways. 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:18.640 Mentioning the meat eating, that's a very important side of what's going on when you're 00:56:18.640 --> 00:56:19.640 interfering with the glucose metabolism. 00:56:19.640 --> 00:56:27.840 The parathyroid gland is activated to secrete its hormone by phosphate and meat has an extremely 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:33.120 high concentration of phosphorus relative to calcium. 00:56:33.120 --> 00:56:41.320 Beans and grains are similar, extreme phosphate excess. 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:47.440 Green vegetables and milk which is made from green vegetables ultimately. 00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:55.560 The cows harvest the magnesium and calcium rich leaves and put that into the milk. 00:56:55.560 --> 00:57:03.160 So milk has a very favorable high calcium to phosphate ratio and that suppresses calcium, 00:57:03.160 --> 00:57:09.640 suppresses the parathyroid hormone while phosphate activates it. 00:57:09.640 --> 00:57:18.880 Vitamin D is needed for calcium to do that and the parathyroid hormone when it's high, 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.240 it mobilizes calcium out of your bones. 00:57:22.240 --> 00:57:28.480 That happens primarily during the night and is accelerated with aging. 00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:37.040 The action of taking calcium out of your bones happens to put it into the soft tissues, into 00:57:37.040 --> 00:57:42.000 your muscles, blood vessels, heart, brain, everything. 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:51.680 All the soft tissues tend to calcify as your diet is not getting enough calcium and magnesium 00:57:51.680 --> 00:58:00.560 and vitamin D but getting too much phosphate relatively. 00:58:00.560 --> 00:58:07.960 This mismanagement of calcium goes into the mitochondria, does almost exactly the same 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.720 thing that the polyunsaturated fats do. 00:58:10.720 --> 00:58:26.200 In fact, the high parathyroid hormone activates the rancidity of PUFA, N-6 and N-3 fatty acids 00:58:26.200 --> 00:58:32.160 degenerate when your parathyroid hormone is high. 00:58:32.160 --> 00:58:41.720 And low thyroid function increases your thyroid stimulating hormone and the whole process 00:58:41.720 --> 00:58:53.440 of being hypothyroid and activating your pituitary, that synergizes with the parathyroid hormone. 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.560 So you really can't think of thyroid function and parathyroid function separately. 00:58:58.560 --> 00:59:06.080 Apparently that's why the glands are located in the same place because they're handling 00:59:06.080 --> 00:59:07.080 the same physiology. 00:59:07.080 --> 00:59:20.600 The TSH activates your parathyroid hormone and both of those are reflecting an imbalance 00:59:20.600 --> 00:59:21.600 in your diet. 00:59:21.600 --> 00:59:22.600 Too much PUFA, too much phosphate. 00:59:22.600 --> 00:59:29.600 And that's exactly what a lot of the fad diets are emphasizing. 00:59:29.600 --> 00:59:40.600 Meat and nuts and grains, for example, rather than green vegetables, fruits and milk. 00:59:40.600 --> 00:59:46.920 You know, it's almost like I had to listen to my body because when I did the carnivore 00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.920 approach I felt better but there came a point in time when my body was telling me, "You 00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:53.400 have to start eating differently. 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:57.680 You have to stop eating so much meat and you have to add in some seasonal variation of 00:59:57.680 --> 00:59:58.680 carbohydrates." 00:59:58.680 --> 01:00:02.760 So that's what I did and that's when the healing really began. 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:08.240 So I felt like the carnivore approach helped me initially but then I felt like I knew inherently 01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:09.840 what I needed to do. 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:18.280 And you mentioned avoiding the PUFAs and also increasing our sugar consumption. 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:24.720 But as far as lifestyle, dietary, environmental things, what can we do to start mitigating 01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:28.320 some of this stress and people can really begin to heal? 01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.840 What would your recommendations be? 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.280 Frequent snacks. 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:43.720 Not letting yourself go too long without eating is something that's helpful. 01:00:43.720 --> 01:00:55.480 Having some fruit and milk or cheese at hand so you don't get too hungry. 01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:00.720 But getting enough sunlight is helpful. 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:07.760 The long waves, the red and orange waves that penetrate right through your tissues, reduce 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:14.480 the free radicals that are produced by PUFA and too much phosphate and so on. 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:23.560 And the ultraviolet makes the vitamin D that helps you handle sugar and calcium. 01:01:23.560 --> 01:01:25.760 And what about lifestyle strategies? 01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:31.680 What do you recommend for people as far as mitigating the stress lifestyle-wise? 01:01:31.680 --> 01:01:41.680 The most important thing is to figure out what is important in your life and work towards 01:01:41.680 --> 01:01:52.240 doing what you really think is important and considering the necessities, the horrible 01:01:52.240 --> 01:01:55.600 work that you might have to do. 01:01:55.600 --> 01:02:04.880 Consider that as only a stepping stone to doing something more sane and productive. 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:05.880 I love that. 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:10.200 Yeah, find beauty appreciation in everything because even if it's a job that you can't 01:02:10.200 --> 01:02:14.440 get out of that you don't love, at least you can know that it's providing for your family 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:16.800 and you can look at it with a positive attitude. 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:26.600 If you can have some kind of a perspective in the long range that is meaningful for your 01:02:26.600 --> 01:02:36.880 life that can make the stress attached to the immediate things disappear as long as 01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:42.800 you're well fed and have the energy to maintain that long range vision. 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:44.280 Yeah, for sure. 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:50.200 And what about, since you talk about the importance of the thyroid and how important it is, what 01:02:50.200 --> 01:02:56.200 in order to kind of help our thyroids function more optimally, what would you recommend? 01:02:56.200 --> 01:03:03.880 The most important thing is to completely eliminate all of the liquid vegetable oils, 01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:16.320 canola, soy, cottonseed... all those, and to drastically reduce the seeds and nuts and natural foods that contain alot of them 01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:36.440 and to avoid the fatty fish, and the low-fat fish...cod, and sole, oysters, squid... are very low in the omega-3 fats and so they are safer. 01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:47.080 Very good. Well I've held you here quite enough time I guess, we've been a little over an hour, but, before I let you go, how can people learn more about you? 01:03:47.080 --> 01:03:57.720 I know there is even a website called the Ray Peat forum, where there's a lot of people kinda picking up what you're putting down but I don't know that you're actually there right? 01:03:57.720 --> 01:04:00.760 No, I never participated in that. 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:12.320 Ok, as far as, I know they can go to raypeat.com and they can find all of your blog posts there as well, can you tell them about your newsletter as well? 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:24.200 Yeah, it's published every other month, so a 12 issue subscription is for 2 years and that's $28 by email. 01:04:24.200 --> 01:04:30.200 Yeah, and I'll be sure to include the information for that in the show notes as well. 01:04:30.200 --> 01:04:37.200 Dr. Peat, you've been more than generous with your knowledge and your time and I just really appreciate everything you've done, 01:04:37.200 --> 01:06:43.200 and I wanted to say, if you would be willing to share with my listeners your age, because I really am so impressed with how many years you've been doing nutrition. 01:04:47.200 --> 01:04:48.200 How old are you? 01:04:48.200 --> 01:04:48.200 Eighty-two. Eighty-two. and you are... I just wish I had a penny-sized amount of the knowledge that's in your head, 01:04:48.200 --> 01:05:04.200 so hopefully you'll keep podcasting with me if we can do this again I'd love that, because I have more and more and more of what I want to talk to you about. 01:05:04.200 --> 01:05:18.200 Could we do that some time? Oh sure. Great! 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