WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.840 and GILL or to get a free copy call 702-233-8883. 00:00:06.840 --> 00:00:11.040 The proceeding has been paid for by Preach and Sing Records. 00:00:11.040 --> 00:00:12.920 Hello and welcome to Hope for Health. 00:00:12.920 --> 00:00:14.400 I'm Dr. Dan Royal. 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:17.680 Hope for Health is brought to you by New Hope Medical Center. 00:00:17.680 --> 00:00:21.880 We invite you now to enjoy this informative program on health alternatives. 00:00:21.880 --> 00:00:24.040 Thank you for being with us today. 00:00:24.040 --> 00:00:28.560 This is a call-in radio talk show so those of you who are out there listening, if you 00:00:28.560 --> 00:00:34.560 would like some free health advice, feel free to call us in 650-KKVV is the call-in number 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:37.360 or which is 650-5588. 00:00:37.360 --> 00:00:43.120 If you're listening live on the internet or long distance, you can reach us at 800-366-8883. 00:00:43.120 --> 00:00:46.280 That's 800-366-8883. 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:50.200 Today's guest is a researcher and expert in the area of female hormones and he received 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:54.040 his doctorate in philosophy and endocrine physiology and biochemistry from the University 00:00:54.040 --> 00:00:56.080 of Oregon in 1972. 00:00:56.080 --> 00:01:00.840 He has taught courses in endocrinology, physiology, the brain, and aging at such schools as the 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:04.120 National College of Naturopathic Medicine and the University of Oregon. 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:08.080 He is the author of several books, all of which I have read myself, which include progesterone 00:01:08.080 --> 00:01:11.560 and orthomolecular medicine and nutrition for women, mind and tissue. 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:15.560 He also has a monthly newsletter which he's been writing since 1980 and to which I also 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:16.560 subscribe. 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.280 His name is Dr. Ray Peat and we'd like to welcome him to the program. 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:20.840 Dr. Peat, welcome. 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:21.840 Nice to have you with us. 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:23.800 You're there in Eugene, Oregon, isn't that correct? 00:01:23.800 --> 00:01:26.560 We're here in Las Vegas where the weather is sunny and still a little warm for this 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.440 time of year and you're there where it's overcast. 00:01:28.440 --> 00:01:31.360 I used to live there for 15 years so I know exactly what it's like. 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:32.360 It's raining. 00:01:32.360 --> 00:01:35.920 Raining or drizzling because everybody walks around there without an umbrella. 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.840 They're so used to it, you know, the light drizzle. 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:42.640 And when it's overcast so much of the time, do you see or are you familiar with much seasonal 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.680 affective disorder where people become depressed because they're not getting enough sunlight? 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:47.680 Oh yeah. 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:53.520 About 25 years ago when I moved to Eugene from Southern Oregon where there's a lot more 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:59.720 sun, I wondered why I was feeling lethargic and depressed and I realized we hadn't had 00:01:59.720 --> 00:02:05.280 a day of sunlight for about two months straight and that was when I really started getting 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.840 interested in the hormonal effects of sunlight. 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:14.320 And when I moved back after being in Mexico for several years, I moved back to Eugene 00:02:14.320 --> 00:02:21.240 and started seeing graduate student young women who had moved to Eugene and immediately 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:26.160 started having hormonal problems, EMS and worse symptoms. 00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:28.960 What did you do for yourself to correct that problem? 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:33.760 Trying to get as much sunlight as possible but when there's no sunlight then I keep a 00:02:33.760 --> 00:02:41.000 couple of, they call them infrared bulbs but they're farmers use them for brooder lamps 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.000 to keep baby chicks warm and so on. 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:49.640 They have a clear front and a reflector built in but they have a warmer temperature, lower 00:02:49.640 --> 00:02:56.080 temperature than the usual incandescent bulb and that means that the light penetrates more 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:57.080 deeply. 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:03.560 It's rich in red and orange frequencies and I keep about 500 watts shining down on me 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.800 all the time when I'm indoors. 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:09.740 Yeah, that sounds like a very interesting approach similar to the infrared sauna which 00:03:09.740 --> 00:03:13.120 can penetrate deeper without having to overheat the patient. 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:14.760 What about using ultraviolet light? 00:03:14.760 --> 00:03:16.600 Isn't that also a treatment? 00:03:16.600 --> 00:03:23.480 Yeah, I have about an 80-year-old mercury vapor lamp that I use for getting extra vitamin 00:03:23.480 --> 00:03:30.040 D once in a while but I also take vitamin D. I like to take it through my skin because 00:03:30.040 --> 00:03:36.760 I never have much confidence in how pure the excipients are in supplements. 00:03:36.760 --> 00:03:40.480 Taking it through my skin, it works fine for keeping my vitamin D up. 00:03:40.480 --> 00:03:45.320 Yeah, we have the same concern in our clinic about using the best quality supplements because 00:03:45.320 --> 00:03:49.000 a lot of products out there, especially the ones made by the pharmaceutical company which 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.920 are very cheap but very ineffective and so patients read about the great results that 00:03:53.920 --> 00:03:59.160 you can get from taking certain B vitamins or vitamin E or amino acid and then they go 00:03:59.160 --> 00:04:01.920 buy it on the cheap and wonder why they're not getting results. 00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:07.240 30 years ago, I was doing a lot of counseling with allergic people. 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:13.680 In the summer, Eugene is near a big grass growing area and at the end of the summer, 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:20.520 they burn the fields and release a lot of chemicals into the air so the asthma sickness 00:04:20.520 --> 00:04:22.000 rate is very high. 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:27.600 All summer, there are lots of allergic people in Eugene and I found at first that giving 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:33.960 them supplements and a good diet, especially rich in vitamin A and pandenthalic acid took 00:04:33.960 --> 00:04:40.760 care of a big part of the population with allergies but there were many that didn't 00:04:40.760 --> 00:04:47.840 improve and I found that if I got them to use natural foods and avoid all of their supplements, 00:04:47.840 --> 00:04:54.600 all of them improved and it turned out that many, many people taking a lot of vitamin 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:59.600 mineral supplements every day were actually allergic to the excipients in the products. 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:01.440 Yeah, that's a good point. 00:05:01.440 --> 00:05:05.880 What happens in the patient, our experience is that patients have a threshold and when 00:05:05.880 --> 00:05:11.200 they are exposing themselves to allergens, whether in their food or in the air or even 00:05:11.200 --> 00:05:14.520 from their supplements in this case, they all add up. 00:05:14.520 --> 00:05:18.480 They have a cumulative effect and then you reach that threshold at which they're reactive 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:26.880 and sometimes lowering their reactivity to one of those agents may help lower their response, 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:30.820 their allergens but the allergy is still there until they're neutralized and you're able 00:05:30.820 --> 00:05:33.200 to identify what they are and eliminate them completely. 00:05:33.200 --> 00:05:34.200 All they've done is... 00:05:34.200 --> 00:05:40.840 The total burden and the amount of energy you have to deal with the burden is what produces 00:05:40.840 --> 00:05:42.160 symptoms. 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:47.320 If your blood sugar is low, almost anything becomes a serious allergen. 00:05:47.320 --> 00:05:52.720 With animal experiments, they found that the weakest allergen, if they lowered the blood 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:58.840 sugar with insulin, the animals would die in shock from a very weak allergen but if 00:05:58.840 --> 00:06:03.920 they gave them extra sugar, even the allergic animals could... 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.240 They would get nothing but mild sniffles from a deadly super strong allergen. 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:13.240 Now, what about hypoglycemia or reactive hypoglycemia? 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:16.680 Patients are eating something that's raising their blood sugar and then it drops over a 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:17.960 short period of time. 00:06:17.960 --> 00:06:18.960 Are those patients then... 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:23.440 Are these are patients that are more susceptible to allergies or that are reacting in an allergic 00:06:23.440 --> 00:06:24.440 way? 00:06:24.440 --> 00:06:32.080 It can become a vicious circle because normally when you are exposed to a stress or an allergen, 00:06:32.080 --> 00:06:38.560 you put out a little extra cortisol to improve your immunity and lower your inflammation. 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:45.120 That can start suppressing your thyroid function and lowering your liver's detoxifying ability 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:51.600 and your intestine always has allergens in it and especially if you're exposed to some 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:58.120 special allergens, the chronic exposure to cortisol, suppressing your liver function 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:03.760 and thyroid function allows those toxins and allergens from your intestine to get into 00:07:03.760 --> 00:07:12.220 the bloodstream and endotoxin is a basic substance produced by bacteria in the intestine and 00:07:12.220 --> 00:07:20.200 that poisons our energy-producing systems, almost turns off mitochondrial function and 00:07:20.200 --> 00:07:27.320 that wastes the blood sugar so that you can create hypoglycemia by exposing yourself to 00:07:27.320 --> 00:07:29.920 too many of these stresses. 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:36.420 The quickest way to break out of the cycle is to eat a well-balanced natural diet but 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:39.240 emphasizing a lot of fruits. 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:44.760 Orange juice for example because of the high potassium content which lets you handle and 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:48.480 absorb blood sugar without disturbing your insulin. 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:54.560 The potassium itself handles the sugar without triggering the insulin and when your liver 00:07:54.560 --> 00:08:00.800 is receiving enough sugar from the combination of potassium and sugar in the fruit, it is 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:07.000 able to activate the thyroid hormone restoring the poisoned function of your mitochondria 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:12.360 and letting you use oxygen efficiently so it can bring you out of a chronic allergic 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:18.440 hypoglycemic state and get you back to a steady blood sugar sometimes just in a day or two 00:08:18.440 --> 00:08:21.200 I think you mentioned a couple of things that most people are not aware of. 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:24.680 Number one is that orange juice has potassium in it. 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.160 Everybody thinks about eating bananas but if you're low in potassium you can drink orange 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.040 juice and get it increased much quicker. 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:35.740 You also mentioned something about the liver which is an area where the thyroid is converted 00:08:35.740 --> 00:08:39.640 from inactive to active form. 00:08:39.640 --> 00:08:40.640 Most people don't understand. 00:08:40.640 --> 00:08:45.160 Yeah, Bruno Barnes many years ago wrote a very good book called "Hypoglycemia, It's 00:08:45.160 --> 00:08:50.840 Your Liver Not Your Mind" and he was one of the first people to emphasize that most of 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:57.080 the active thyroid, about 70% of it is produced in your liver rather than in the thyroid gland. 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:02.240 The gland itself in your neck produces about 30% of the active hormone. 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:08.200 Anytime your blood sugar falls, if you go without eating for eight hours for example, 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:14.520 your blood sugar is likely to fall and that your liver doesn't want to convert your tissues 00:09:14.520 --> 00:09:20.840 to food and so your liver stops making thyroid so your metabolism decreases. 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:26.240 Your temperature goes down at some point when you have stopped eating so that you don't 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.240 burn up your body too fast as you would if your metabolic rate stayed high without eating. 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.720 Yeah, now we mentioned that the thyroid is produced by the thyroid, it's also produced 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:36.400 by the liver and we're converted there. 00:09:36.400 --> 00:09:40.120 Doesn't that conversion also take place at the cellular level as well? 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:44.720 Well, the tissues produce quite a bit of it. 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:50.120 The pituitary gland can detect T4 because of the inactive form of the thyroid, thyroxine 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:56.640 and since it can convert it, it doesn't distinguish very strongly between whether you're taking 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:58.680 T4 or T3. 00:09:58.680 --> 00:10:05.520 It turns off its activity whenever it sees T4 or T3 and so since it produces just a tiny 00:10:05.520 --> 00:10:11.920 amount for its own detecting purposes, if you accumulate too much thyroxine in your 00:10:11.920 --> 00:10:18.640 tissues, pituitary thinks you have enough thyroid but your liver not be producing any 00:10:18.640 --> 00:10:21.520 active thyroid hormone from it at all. 00:10:21.520 --> 00:10:27.880 In one of the early experiments studying where the hormone is active and what it's doing, 00:10:27.880 --> 00:10:32.100 they took slices of the different organs and added thyroxine. 00:10:32.100 --> 00:10:38.040 They found that liver became fully activated with a modest amount of thyroxine added. 00:10:38.040 --> 00:10:43.560 The kidneys converted a little of it and were slightly activated by thyroxine. 00:10:43.560 --> 00:10:49.480 The muscles were not activated at all but the brain when thyroxine was added was actually 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:56.960 suppressed because brain normally has an extremely high concentration of the active T3 part of 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:05.240 the hormone in relation to T4 and so locally, the too much T4 affects your brain in an anti-thyroid 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:11.240 direction but very few doctors are aware of the risks of prescribing plain thyroxine. 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.800 That's a good point, a very good point. 00:11:13.800 --> 00:11:16.240 We're going to talk about that more when we come back from the break. 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:17.240 I'm Dr. Dan Royal. 00:11:17.240 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00:12:25.120 guest, you can call us here at 650-KKBB. 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:29.640 That's 650-5588 or long distance 800-366-8883. 00:12:29.640 --> 00:12:35.720 Dr. Peeb, you mentioned that thyroxin has a suppressive effect on the brain. 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.040 I think it's important that we discuss that in a little more detail because the audience 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:43.760 may not understand that thyroxin is T4 which is the same thing as synthroid which means 00:12:43.760 --> 00:12:48.400 the most common thyroid medicine being prescribed through conventional medicine has no active 00:12:48.400 --> 00:12:49.400 thyroid in it. 00:12:49.400 --> 00:12:50.400 That's true. 00:12:50.400 --> 00:12:54.860 But because of I think it's the result of pressure from the pharmaceutical industry 00:12:54.860 --> 00:13:02.140 making their synthetics, the FDA has begun forcing the producers of the natural thyroid 00:13:02.140 --> 00:13:09.980 products such as Armour Thyroid USP to put on their label the ingredients in terms of 00:13:09.980 --> 00:13:14.920 T4 and T3 but natural thyroid contains neither of those. 00:13:14.920 --> 00:13:21.600 It's a protein with only the tiniest trace as a contaminant sometimes of thyroxin or 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:29.440 the active T3 but now people look at the label and they see T4 and T3 even listed on natural 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:32.920 thyroid products and it just isn't there. 00:13:32.920 --> 00:13:40.560 When you digest the protein, your digestive system releases those hormones and the gland 00:13:40.560 --> 00:13:46.640 when you digest it or when it digests itself in normal functioning, that protein breaking 00:13:46.640 --> 00:13:54.040 down releases about three or four parts of thyroxin for each part of the active T3 and 00:13:54.040 --> 00:14:01.840 that's why your liver has to convert the thyroxin which is about 70% of the output of your thyroid 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:02.840 gland. 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:08.520 And similarly, when you take a supplement of Armour Thyroid, when you digest it, it's 00:14:08.520 --> 00:14:14.200 in that same ratio so your liver still has to activate three quarters of it and that 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:19.720 means that you can't go very far wrong when you're taking the natural substance because 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:25.720 the ratio entering your blood is within the range produced by your normal gland so your 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:29.240 liver can make the decision as to whether to activate it or not. 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:30.720 Yeah, it's a good point. 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.640 Typically the natural type thyroid and there's a number of different types have a ratio of 00:14:34.640 --> 00:14:40.040 about four to one, T4 to T3 and then what we will typically do in our practice is increase 00:14:40.040 --> 00:14:44.640 that ratio of three to one by adding a little bit of Cytomel which is just pure active T3 00:14:44.640 --> 00:14:49.040 but when we do that, usually it's because the patient has developed antibodies to their 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:53.480 thyroid which you can see in Graves' disease or I've seen it in cases where the patients 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:58.240 are taking thyroxin, the synthetic, Synthroid for example and now because they've introduced 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:03.520 this foreign substance into their body, it's attacked and so the body now requires more 00:15:03.520 --> 00:15:05.160 thyroid to overcome that. 00:15:05.160 --> 00:15:09.240 In fact, that one patient I saw recently who said, "Gee, they put me on thyroid and I started 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:13.080 gaining weight and then every time they changed the dose, I gained more weight and they wouldn't 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:14.080 believe me." 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:18.440 So we checked her thyroid antibodies and sure enough, they were very high but every time 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:22.280 they gave her the Synthroid, she developed the antibodies and then they upped the dose 00:15:22.280 --> 00:15:24.200 and the situation just got worse. 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.640 I wouldn't say it happens in every patient but I've seen it enough that I'm very skeptical 00:15:27.640 --> 00:15:29.280 and never used the thyroxin. 00:15:29.280 --> 00:15:34.240 When I was teaching at the Naturopathic College in Portland, someone from the University of 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:40.320 Oregon Medical School Hospital told about a woman who had been prescribed, I think it 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:46.680 was the equivalent of one grain of thyroxin, about 100 micrograms I think it was and she 00:15:46.680 --> 00:15:52.000 got a little worse and more hypothyroid and they kept increasing the dose and when they 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:58.280 reached 400 micrograms of thyroxin, she went into a myxedema coma and they took her to 00:15:58.280 --> 00:16:03.640 the hospital unconscious and kept her alive until someone figured out that she wasn't 00:16:03.640 --> 00:16:09.440 converting T4 to T3 and it had simply turned her brain metabolism off to the point that 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:14.880 she was no longer conscious and when they gave her T3, she recovered immediately to 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:15.880 full functioning. 00:16:15.880 --> 00:16:20.000 Yes, so it's important to have a healthy liver if that's where three-quarters of the conversion 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:25.560 is happening and isn't it true that if you're taking let's say the thyroxin, the inactive 00:16:25.560 --> 00:16:30.240 thyroid and it's having a suppressive effect on your brain and can't it, isn't it true 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.720 that it can build up in your brain and cause other symptoms if it's not being converted? 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:40.640 Yes, many people have told me that when they were given supposedly the right dose of thyroxin, 00:16:40.640 --> 00:16:47.920 they began getting symptoms like ringing sounds in their ears and prickly sensations, fairly 00:16:47.920 --> 00:16:53.440 common symptoms of hypothyroidism but they would start when they would go on thyroxin 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:58.320 and when they added T3, the symptoms would go away and be okay. 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:01.720 What's very interesting is I have many patients come into my office and they've seen other 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:05.040 doctors and they tell me that, "Oh, my doctor checked everything." 00:17:05.040 --> 00:17:07.680 But when it comes to thyroid, I've never seen that happen. 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.800 The doctors will look at just the T4 or just the TSH, they never check the antibodies. 00:17:11.800 --> 00:17:15.520 So the patient never really gets a complete thyroid evaluation even though they're told 00:17:15.520 --> 00:17:17.240 by the doctor everything is fine. 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.440 So when you're checking the thyroid, in your opinion, what's the best test to be looking 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:21.440 at? 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:26.200 The way they did it in the 1930s before the drug companies came on the scene, basically 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:32.080 took control of the journals and the medical schools and made everyone over the next 30 00:17:32.080 --> 00:17:34.800 or 40 years forget how to treat thyroid patients. 00:17:34.800 --> 00:17:40.800 The way they originally did it was to look at symptoms and when they saw definitely too 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:46.800 many symptoms, they would give them a basal metabolic rate test, how much oxygen they 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:53.800 consume at rest and that's really the absolute way to determine what's happening. 00:17:53.800 --> 00:17:58.200 It doesn't matter how much is in your blood, if it's being blocked, for example, if you 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:04.560 have eaten too many polyunsaturated fats or too much cabbage or other antithyroid factors, 00:18:04.560 --> 00:18:10.040 you can have an excess of thyroid hormones in your bloodstream and still not be consuming 00:18:10.040 --> 00:18:11.520 very much oxygen. 00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:18.560 Some people are 20, 30, 40% below normal in oxygen consumption and the ideal way would 00:18:18.560 --> 00:18:25.320 be to give the dose of thyroid until the oxygen consumption is at least normal except Americans 00:18:25.320 --> 00:18:32.160 on comparison with other countries where they don't eat so much the artificial food, Americans 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:36.840 on average are about 25% hypometabolic or hypothyroid. 00:18:36.840 --> 00:18:42.960 And so the practical thing really is to go by symptoms and checking as many of the physiological 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:50.280 indicators, for example, reflex reaction time, the speed of your reflex, you can flash a 00:18:50.280 --> 00:18:56.000 light in a person's eye and the pupil is slow to respond if they're hypothyroid. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:02.600 The body temperature tends to be usually but not invariably tends to be much below normal 00:19:02.600 --> 00:19:04.240 when you're hypothyroid. 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:10.400 An excess of stress, strength, and cortisol can artificially raise your temperature. 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:13.440 So those can go up in hypothyroidism. 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:19.240 So temperature is just one of the indicators and there's a reflex, the Achilles tendon 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.400 relaxation rate. 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:26.080 If you have a person nail and thump their Achilles tendon so that it makes their toe 00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:31.840 twitch away from their body, that a person with almost any thyroid function will have 00:19:31.840 --> 00:19:38.520 the reflex but what you watch is how quickly your foot relaxes back to its resting position. 00:19:38.520 --> 00:19:43.320 And a hypothyroid person's foot looks like it has a pneumatic door closer on it. 00:19:43.320 --> 00:19:48.880 It carefully or in jerks returns slowly to where it was at rest. 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:54.160 But a person with good thyroid function, the jerking foot looks like a piece of rubber. 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.160 It relaxes and bounces. 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.400 It comes back so fast. 00:19:57.400 --> 00:19:59.960 Yeah, and I checked that in almost all of my patients. 00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:01.120 I'm glad you mentioned that. 00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:05.480 My guest today is Dr. Ray Peat and we're talking about the thyroid and other hormones. 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.880 If you have a question for us, you can reach us here at 650-KKVB. 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:10.960 That's 650-5588. 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.960 You can also find Dr. Peat on the internet at www.raypeat.com. 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:18.560 We're going to take a short break and when we come back, we'll continue our discussion 00:20:18.560 --> 00:20:20.600 about the thyroid and other hormones. 00:20:20.600 --> 00:20:21.600 We'll be right back. 00:20:21.600 --> 00:20:25.000 Hi, I'm Dr. Dan Royal, Medical Director for New Hope Medical Center. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:29.000 Every 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Call 476-0000 now and make your appointment for Vax-D treatment 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:17.320 today. 00:21:17.320 --> 00:21:18.320 We're back. 00:21:18.320 --> 00:21:19.320 I'm Dr. Dan Royal. 00:21:19.320 --> 00:21:20.320 Thanks for staying with us. 00:21:20.320 --> 00:21:23.280 My guest today is Dr. Ray Peat, and we're talking about the thyroid and other hormones. 00:21:23.280 --> 00:21:27.000 I wanted to bring something to your attention, Dr. Peat, and that is something I see frequently 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.440 in my practice and throughout America. 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.160 It's the high blood fat issue and the whole cholesterol industry that's been built up 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:34.160 around that. 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:39.160 I would think that one of the signs of high cholesterol would be a low thyroid because 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:43.080 normally if you have a healthy metabolism, you should be able to process those fats fairly 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:46.560 effectively since the liver is the place where that's happening, where those fats are being 00:21:46.560 --> 00:21:47.680 made, being broken down. 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:49.880 It's also the place where the thyroid is being converted. 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:50.880 What do you think about that? 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:58.360 The liver is a big source of disposal of the cholesterol, but the ovaries, the gonads, 00:21:58.360 --> 00:22:04.840 and the brain itself and the adrenal glands all use considerable amounts of cholesterol. 00:22:04.840 --> 00:22:11.600 For example, in one experiment, blood containing a known amount of cholesterol was pumped into 00:22:11.600 --> 00:22:17.600 an ovary, and the amount of progesterone coming out corresponded exactly to the amount of 00:22:17.600 --> 00:22:19.160 cholesterol going in. 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:24.480 If you lowered the cholesterol, you lowered the amount of progesterone being produced. 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:30.080 That same conversion happens in the brain and adrenal glands and various other tissues 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:31.800 to some extent. 00:22:31.800 --> 00:22:37.480 If you're forcing your cholesterol down with a drug, you're likely, for example, many studies 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:44.760 have shown increased rate of accidents, cancer, and even suicide and death by homicide. 00:22:44.760 --> 00:22:49.440 I think it was one of the major events in the people who were drugged to lower their 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:50.440 cholesterol. 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:57.840 The Framingham study following people over many years found that people whose cholesterol 00:22:57.840 --> 00:23:04.440 was below 200 when they were over the age of 50 were much more likely to become demanded 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:09.720 because cholesterol makes those protective hormones, makes progesterone, for example, 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:15.480 in the brain, which is extremely protective against all kinds of injury and toxins. 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:16.920 I'm glad you mentioned that. 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.000 I love it when the side effect of medication is death. 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.000 That's all we need. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:22.000 We've got a caller on the line. 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:23.320 Do you have a question for our guest, Geraldine? 00:23:23.320 --> 00:23:24.320 I do. 00:23:24.320 --> 00:23:25.880 I'm really enjoying the program. 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:31.800 When I was 16, in Santa Monica, they thought I had a broken jaw. 00:23:31.800 --> 00:23:36.200 They used the x-ray machine and took many plates of my jaw. 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:40.160 Then right after that, my thyroid really went out. 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.440 Of course, I've had a terrible problem all my life. 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:51.560 I'm wondering what do you recommend having a problem trying to get medication. 00:23:51.560 --> 00:23:56.120 I have trouble sleeping and gaining weight and just the whole thing I've got. 00:23:56.120 --> 00:23:58.880 What do you suggest for a medication? 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.800 What would you give for a good medication? 00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:04.240 I used to take... 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:09.800 The usual thing is to check the diet, make sure the person is getting enough good protein 00:24:09.800 --> 00:24:15.840 because a protein deficiency makes the liver unable to activate the thyroid hormone the 00:24:15.840 --> 00:24:18.360 same way a lack of sugar does. 00:24:18.360 --> 00:24:21.920 You need at least 80 grams of high quality protein. 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:28.200 For example, milk or cheese or eggs will give you good protein to make the liver able to 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:30.320 process the thyroid. 00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:37.000 A low thyroid function, the symptoms you mentioned are very classical hypothyroid symptoms because 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:41.920 the brain needs energy to go to sleep properly. 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:48.560 Hypothyroid people have been given EEGs which show that they never can get into deep restful 00:24:48.560 --> 00:24:49.760 slow wave sleep. 00:24:49.760 --> 00:24:55.280 They stay in superficial sleep which isn't restful and even worse than that, they often 00:24:55.280 --> 00:25:01.280 have insomnia and have trouble going to sleep because when your nerves or your muscles are 00:25:01.280 --> 00:25:07.040 not producing enough energy, fatigue accumulates and they're unable to relax. 00:25:07.040 --> 00:25:09.880 It's the same thing as the Achilles reflex test. 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:15.800 You're slow to relax any cell, any muscle or nerve and when you get fatigued, your brain 00:25:15.800 --> 00:25:17.640 needs thyroid to relax. 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:25.200 A doctor that I visited, I think it was in either Reno or Las Vegas, had insomnia for 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.560 two or three days and I suggested Cytomel. 00:25:28.560 --> 00:25:31.400 The next day he said that stuff is better than opium. 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:37.080 He said he was sound asleep 15 minutes after taking a little bit of the active thyroid 00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:38.080 hormone. 00:25:38.080 --> 00:25:39.080 Oh, that's wonderful. 00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:40.080 I haven't heard of that. 00:25:40.080 --> 00:25:42.760 Yeah, there's nothing better than sleep when you really need it. 00:25:42.760 --> 00:25:45.800 Most people, it's interesting, my patients have the misconception that if I give them 00:25:45.800 --> 00:25:48.840 thyroid somehow it's some kind of amphetamine that's going to keep them up at night. 00:25:48.840 --> 00:25:53.360 What they don't understand is just what Dr. Peat said, thyroid helps you to relax and 00:25:53.360 --> 00:25:55.080 helps your reflexes to recover. 00:25:55.080 --> 00:25:59.160 He mentioned the pupillary reflex of the eye as well as your Achilles tendon reflex as 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.640 well as now the body being able to relax and go to sleep at night. 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.200 Does that help with your question, Geraldine? 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:05.560 Oh, I'm very grateful. 00:26:05.560 --> 00:26:06.880 I want to thank you very much. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:07.880 All right, thanks for calling. 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:08.880 Thank you. 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.360 Dr. Peat, one of the things I think we should also mention is that if the thyroid is having 00:26:12.360 --> 00:26:16.000 a problem, the adrenals do tend to take over and as you mentioned, cortisol levels can 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:20.200 be elevated and this can also interrupt the sleep-wake cycle because cortisol should actually 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:22.960 be low at night and high in the morning. 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:27.120 When the sun goes down, various things happen. 00:26:27.120 --> 00:26:33.720 For example, the red light or sunlight that penetrates deeply into your cells activates 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:40.600 processes that protect you against lipid peroxidation and free radicals and it just takes about 00:26:40.600 --> 00:26:46.840 an hour of darkness and your mitochondria start losing efficiency because the free radicals 00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:49.400 start interfering with them. 00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:56.520 When darkness has lasted for several hours, your blood sugar becomes a problem and that's 00:26:56.520 --> 00:27:01.040 why your cortisol rises after you've been asleep for a couple of hours. 00:27:01.040 --> 00:27:06.760 It keeps getting higher and higher until dawn and that allows you to stay asleep because 00:27:06.760 --> 00:27:12.960 the cortisol is breaking down your protein, turning it to sugar, letting the thyroid function, 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.320 letting your nerve cells repair by getting enough sugar. 00:27:16.320 --> 00:27:22.400 But the combination of reactions to the low blood sugar, if your liver didn't store enough 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:28.120 glycogen, very quickly, early in the night, you'll have an adrenaline reaction trying 00:27:28.120 --> 00:27:33.400 to get more glycogen out of your liver to compensate for the low thyroid function. 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.960 Low thyroid people very often have 30 or 40 times more adrenaline being produced than 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:44.360 a healthy person and that keeps you awake or makes you wake up with a start after you've 00:27:44.360 --> 00:27:49.000 been asleep for a while and the adrenaline makes your heart beat faster and wakes you 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:55.960 up but it triggers increasing cortisol and the cortisol will start damaging your tissues, 00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:01.600 making your muscles gradually be converted to sugar to keep your brain working during 00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:02.600 the night. 00:28:02.600 --> 00:28:08.240 And these low thyroid people who compensate with very high amounts of adrenaline and cortisol 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:14.920 will sometimes wake up with a temperature of 98.6 or 99 degrees which is definitely 00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:20.320 not in what most people think of as the hypothyroid range, 95 or 96 degrees. 00:28:20.320 --> 00:28:25.440 But if you take their temperature out an hour after they've had some orange juice and other 00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:30.680 food in the morning, you'll find that their temperature is down in the extremely hypothyroid 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:31.680 range. 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:37.400 It's only the stress hormones before breakfast that keep them up to a normal temperature. 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.640 It's fascinating how this relates to each other. 00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:40.840 We're going to take another call. 00:28:40.840 --> 00:28:42.680 Yolanda, do you have a question for our guest? 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:43.680 Yes. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:44.680 Thank you, Dr. Peat. 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:49.560 I happened upon you guys' radio show today by accident but I think it was to my good 00:28:49.560 --> 00:28:50.560 fortune. 00:28:50.560 --> 00:28:54.360 I've got a 12-year-old, if you can believe it, with a diagnosis of hypothyroid and really 00:28:54.360 --> 00:29:01.600 how we found out or how I received the diagnosis is I took her in to a pediatrician to explore 00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:06.720 whether or not there could be some explanation for what I considered a weight gain that did 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.480 not seem to correlate with her consumption. 00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.920 In other words, it didn't seem like she was eating enough to be gaining the weight at 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:12.920 the rate that she was. 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:17.520 They did a number of blood tests and I guess her T3 came back really high. 00:29:17.520 --> 00:29:21.600 Then I was referred to a pediatric endocrinologist and there are not very many here in Southern 00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:23.640 Nevada so I had to wait several months. 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.960 Let me just make a comment about that, Yolanda. 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:30.560 One of the problems that I see in the thyroid testing is what they're checking is T3 uptake 00:29:30.560 --> 00:29:32.680 which is a mathematical guesstimation. 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:38.360 They're not usually checking T3-RIA which is a more accurate assessment of the active 00:29:38.360 --> 00:29:39.360 thyroid. 00:29:39.360 --> 00:29:43.320 If your child has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism and the T3 is elevated, that doesn't make 00:29:43.320 --> 00:29:44.320 sense. 00:29:44.320 --> 00:29:45.320 That's a total contradiction in terms. 00:29:45.320 --> 00:29:46.320 Right. 00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:49.480 What happened was when I went to the pediatric endocrinologist, he wanted to run his own 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:50.480 series of tests. 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:51.480 I'll be honest with you. 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.800 This has been a couple of years ago and I can't remember exactly but he was the one 00:29:56.800 --> 00:29:59.080 who gave me the diagnosis based on his set of tests. 00:29:59.080 --> 00:30:02.760 I can't remember what was too high for the T4 and TSH. 00:30:02.760 --> 00:30:07.280 He takes TSH, T4 and we do it every six months. 00:30:07.280 --> 00:30:11.600 He did the antibodies you were speaking of early as well. 00:30:11.600 --> 00:30:13.800 She was not positive for the antibodies. 00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:14.800 What is the medication she's taking? 00:30:14.800 --> 00:30:18.080 She's taking and that's why I wanted to talk to you because I was like, "It sounds like 00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:20.160 you all aren't recommending the Synthroid." 00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:24.200 She's on 0.88 of the Synthroid and has been for two years. 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:25.200 Absolutely not. 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.080 That would not be our approach based on what you've heard in this program. 00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:31.720 It's like Gorder, you know what I mean by that? 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:37.720 There are three times when women are more likely to become hypothyroid and you can very 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.580 often see the signs even if they aren't experiencing any symptoms. 00:30:42.580 --> 00:30:49.160 You can see the thyroid gland enlarging around puberty and again at pregnancy and again around 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:50.160 menopause. 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:56.080 What happens is they've studied it with slices of the tissue in a culture dish. 00:30:56.080 --> 00:31:03.160 As estrogen rises, the brain senses that you need more thyroid hormone, puts out more TSH 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:09.280 but the estrogen blocks the enzymes that digest that protein in the thyroid gland so it stops 00:31:09.280 --> 00:31:16.200 secreting the active hormone and progesterone happens to activate those enzymes and allow 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.200 the gland to secrete. 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:24.360 You can pretty much depend on the slowing down of the thyroid whenever there's a situation 00:31:24.360 --> 00:31:28.840 that raises estrogen and puberty is the most common one. 00:31:28.840 --> 00:31:34.120 Typically girls in their teens will have an enlarged thyroid compared to boys because 00:31:34.120 --> 00:31:38.320 that's the standard effect of estrogen even when you're healthy. 00:31:38.320 --> 00:31:41.800 So what we would typically recommend at New Hope Medical, I'll just kind of give you some 00:31:41.800 --> 00:31:45.920 free advice here, we would typically put the patient on a grain of the natural thyroid 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:47.200 and have them take it twice a day. 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:51.040 The reason for that is because natural thyroid has a half-life of about 8 to 12 hours. 00:31:51.040 --> 00:31:55.360 The body's actually utilizing it, digesting it, processing it as opposed to hanging around 00:31:55.360 --> 00:31:59.360 for 24 hours waiting for the body to convert it to active thyroid if that's actually happening 00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:00.360 with the synthroid. 00:32:00.360 --> 00:32:01.680 We're going to go ahead and take a short break. 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.600 We thank you for calling and when we come back we'll take another caller. 00:32:04.600 --> 00:32:06.600 So I'm Dr. Dan Royer, you're listening to Hope for Health. 00:32:06.600 --> 00:32:09.640 My guest today is Ray Peat and we will be right back. 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.080 Would you like to know if you are at risk for cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, Alzheimer's 00:32:14.080 --> 00:32:15.480 disease and more? 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00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.480 About the thyroid and Dr. Wilson who's a DO, what was that side e-mail? 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.320 Is that a prescription item or was that an over-the-counter supplement? 00:33:25.320 --> 00:33:27.120 No, that is a prescription item. 00:33:27.120 --> 00:33:28.120 Okay. 00:33:28.120 --> 00:33:33.200 Dr. Wilson who's a DO, he's done years of research on the thyroid where it's kind of 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:38.240 a little bit subclinical where the doctor tells you it's normal for people who are running 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:45.280 temperatures of like 97, 97.1 and they have like cold hands sometimes, cold feet and they're 00:33:45.280 --> 00:33:48.040 very, very sluggish in the morning hours. 00:33:48.040 --> 00:33:53.720 Was Dr. Wilson on target with the temperature situation of subclinical thyroid? 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.000 I'm going to let Dr. Peat answer this with you after. 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.000 Is that okay? 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:59.000 Okay. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.680 And can I also ask him, he recommends that as Dr. Wilson after 20 years of research that 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:10.040 the armor thyroid T3 will really properly fix this issue and kind of resetting the thyroid, 00:34:10.040 --> 00:34:15.080 unclogging it so that you get a proper amount of T3 in the blood and the doctors just look 00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:17.200 at T4 when we get these blood tests. 00:34:17.200 --> 00:34:18.200 Correct. 00:34:18.200 --> 00:34:22.000 I'm giving you a lot but you want me to hang up and listen? 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:23.000 Yeah. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.000 Is that okay? 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.000 Okay. 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.640 I hope you can remember all of it because it's a lot in there. 00:34:26.640 --> 00:34:27.640 We will. 00:34:27.640 --> 00:34:28.640 Okay. 00:34:28.640 --> 00:34:29.640 Thanks a lot. 00:34:29.640 --> 00:34:30.640 You're welcome. 00:34:30.640 --> 00:34:31.640 Okay. 00:34:31.640 --> 00:34:33.640 So first I think we should clarify that Wilson syndrome is primarily referring to that reverse 00:34:33.640 --> 00:34:37.240 T3 that's another element of thyroid testing that can be assessed. 00:34:37.240 --> 00:34:42.200 And so I think that the question you had Dr. Peat was how accurate number one is the basal 00:34:42.200 --> 00:34:43.200 body temperature? 00:34:43.200 --> 00:34:48.160 And number two, can the problem of Wilson syndrome can be corrected with T3? 00:34:48.160 --> 00:34:49.160 Yeah. 00:34:49.160 --> 00:34:55.280 The thing that I mentioned about the stress hormones causing a falsely elevated normal 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.900 appearing temperature, that's something that you should watch out for. 00:34:58.900 --> 00:35:05.280 If someone has had an unusual diet without enough protein or if they're in the menopause 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:12.960 years, it's very common for women to experience excess cortisol around menopause. 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:19.800 And that's one of the major things that causes the deposit of fat around the trunk at menopause 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.800 and the weakening of the bones. 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.760 Cortisol accelerates dissolving of the bones and deposition of fat. 00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:32.440 And people with those symptoms, even if they're younger, they should be checked for excess 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.120 adrenaline and cortisol. 00:35:34.120 --> 00:35:39.200 And a protein deficiency is a common cause of that whole pattern. 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:46.600 The reverse T3 rises when you're under stress and exposed to too much cortisol and a very 00:35:46.600 --> 00:35:51.600 bad diet can be enough to put you into that chronic stress state. 00:35:51.600 --> 00:35:58.120 And the quickest way out of it is with a supplement, a reliably formulated supplement of T3. 00:35:58.120 --> 00:36:04.920 But the armor thyroid and a traditional product made by the same company called ThyroLarve, 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:11.600 which was a synthetic made to be equivalent to the natural thyroid, those will provide 00:36:11.600 --> 00:36:13.880 enough T3 for most people. 00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:20.840 But there's people who almost always prefer to have a little more T3 than that if they 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.880 want to quickly get over their symptoms. 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.760 Yeah, that's a good point. 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.360 And what I found in my testing of patients is that reverse T3, in terms of being able 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.220 to document, is actually quite difficult and rarely seen. 00:36:32.220 --> 00:36:36.400 But there are so many other factors by which you can diagnose hypothyroidism, some which 00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:41.080 we've talked about in this program, such as the low T4, low T3, the high TSH, the thyroid 00:36:41.080 --> 00:36:45.560 antibodies, not to mention the clinical conditions that need to be looked at. 00:36:45.560 --> 00:36:48.960 So for example, you could have a patient that has normal thyroid function, but yet they 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:52.360 have clinical symptomatology, signs and symptoms of hypothyroidism. 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:53.360 What are you going to do? 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.320 Most doctors would not treat because, well, the lab says they're fine. 00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:00.520 Well, you don't need a doctor to diagnose a patient who's fine in the lab work. 00:37:00.520 --> 00:37:04.200 You need a doctor who can assess whether the patient needs thyroid, even though the lab 00:37:04.200 --> 00:37:06.040 is abnormal, and be able to explain why. 00:37:06.040 --> 00:37:10.800 The traditional doctors did fine just going by signs. 00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:17.560 And as many of the measures as they knew were reliable, such as oxygen consumption and the 00:37:17.560 --> 00:37:21.240 cholesterol level, and they would look at the palms of a person's hands. 00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:27.840 A low thyroid person can't convert carotene to vitamin A, and so they will typically accumulate 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:32.920 orange in the calluses of their hands and feet, and their skin, their hands and feet 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.460 are almost always cold because their metabolic rate is low. 00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:42.040 Even though their core temperature might be kept up by adrenaline and cortisol, their 00:37:42.040 --> 00:37:48.320 fingers and toes are likely to be cooler than other people's at the same environmental temperature. 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:54.920 And cold feet, interestingly, can cause serious inflammatory problems elsewhere in the body. 00:37:54.920 --> 00:38:01.320 So a first aid for some of the symptoms of hypothyroidism is just to get some wooly underwear 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:02.320 and thick stockings. 00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:08.880 And you can also keep your extremities warm because you can actually cure anemia even 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:15.240 without correcting your whole metabolic situation just by keeping your long bones warmer, reducing 00:38:15.240 --> 00:38:18.520 the inflammatory substances produced in cold feet. 00:38:18.520 --> 00:38:19.520 Yeah, that's very interesting. 00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:23.200 And you can also correct that by supplementing the adrenals so they don't have to put out 00:38:23.200 --> 00:38:28.340 so much adrenaline by using the natural DHA and pregnenolone hormones. 00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:32.480 But some of the clinical signs of hypothyroidism, which are very obvious and, of course, taken 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.840 together, should raise your index of suspicion, and they include fatigue, overweight or obesity, 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.560 and edema, among other things. 00:38:39.560 --> 00:38:43.640 Anyway, we have a caller on the line, and I think she has a question for our guest. 00:38:43.640 --> 00:38:46.040 Earlene, did you have a question you'd like to ask? 00:38:46.040 --> 00:38:48.320 I'm 36, 70, and I have had all... 00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:49.320 I'm diabetic. 00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.400 I don't take any insulin, and I don't take any diabetic medicine. 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.280 I've been trying to control it with diet. 00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:59.240 But what I'm worried about is my arthritis seemed to get worse after I had the hysterectomy, 00:38:59.240 --> 00:39:01.760 and I have osteoarthritis, not the other kind. 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.200 I was wondering if this had anything to do with hormones. 00:39:04.200 --> 00:39:05.800 Absolutely, hormones are related. 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:10.200 And one of the things that should be checked, in my opinion, is the female hormones along 00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:15.600 with the thyroid and other more comprehensive testing to give us a bigger picture of what's 00:39:15.600 --> 00:39:16.600 going on. 00:39:16.600 --> 00:39:20.080 But as Dr. Peat, when I mentioned earlier, as a woman goes through menopause, this is one 00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:25.160 of those transitions in life where the hypothyroidism issue can manifest. 00:39:25.160 --> 00:39:29.000 And some people also have the theory that when you're in pain or inflammation all the 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:33.120 time that your cortisol level may actually not be quite high enough, and so that's keeping 00:39:33.120 --> 00:39:34.120 you in pain all the time. 00:39:34.120 --> 00:39:36.560 So these are some issues that should be considered. 00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:37.640 What do you think, Dr. Peat? 00:39:37.640 --> 00:39:43.800 I had a friend who was in his 70s and had an accident and immediately started developing 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:50.040 arthritis and was crippled pretty suddenly by arthritis in his hands and feet and knees. 00:39:50.040 --> 00:39:57.480 And he luckily had a doctor who had been educated in the 1930s who immediately tested his thyroid 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.880 because stress and injury can lower your thyroid. 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.440 And my friend was grumpy and said, "I didn't go to have you fix my thyroid. 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.400 I wanted you to fix the arthritis." 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.240 But within two weeks, his arthritis cleared up and he lived 15 years more, never any more 00:40:12.240 --> 00:40:13.240 arthritis. 00:40:13.240 --> 00:40:19.080 In the 30s, it was standard knowledge that arthritis was usually a sign of hypothyroidism. 00:40:19.080 --> 00:40:20.840 Yeah, that's a good point. 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:26.160 Any trauma in your life like having a baby or having a surgery, these things can trigger 00:40:26.160 --> 00:40:30.080 hypothyroidism because it's such a stress from which you may not recover. 00:40:30.080 --> 00:40:33.940 And as Dr. Peat said, you need a doctor with a little more intuition who uses his right 00:40:33.940 --> 00:40:37.680 brain and can diagnose these problems without being wholly reliant upon the lab. 00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:39.320 Anyway, we thank you for calling, Earline. 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.920 We're going to take a short break, and when we come back, we'll continue our discussion 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:43.920 with Dr. Ray Peat. 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.640 I'm Dr. Dan Royal, and you're listening to Hope for Health. 00:40:46.640 --> 00:40:47.640 We'll be right back. 00:40:47.640 --> 00:40:49.000 Hi, I'm Dr. Dan Royal. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.880 I'm the director for New Hope Medical Center. 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.360 Every day, I see patients who suffer from the effects of modern living such as stress, 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:56.480 pollution, allergies, and even prescription drugs. 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:59.880 I believe we all deserve to feel as good as we can to be optimally well. 00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:03.160 That's why at New Hope, we emphasize health optimization, not disease management. 00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:07.200 For more information, call New Hope Medical at 476-0000. 00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:10.400 Learn the secrets to living a great life by consulting with a doctor who really cares 00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:11.560 about you and your health. 00:41:11.560 --> 00:41:13.840 Call 476-0000 now. 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:14.840 Does your back ache? 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Call 476-0000 now and make your appointment for Vax-D treatment 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:43.280 today. 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:44.280 I'm back. 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:45.280 I'm Dr. Dan Royal. 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:46.280 You're listening to Hope for Health. 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:47.280 My guest today has been Dr. Ray Peat. 00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.760 He's been sitting down our show here, but we're going to go ahead and take one more 00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:50.760 call. 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:51.760 Bill, you're on the line. 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.760 Do you have a question for our guest? 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.480 It's not mostly a question. 00:41:54.480 --> 00:42:00.400 I was born with Wilson's disease and have lived with it through diet and nutrition. 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.680 I have kept it under control. 00:42:04.680 --> 00:42:10.240 I was on KKVV for about three and a half years with stepping to the other side of health. 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:16.360 I have a vague idea to Wilson's disease from the inside, so to speak, having had it and 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.320 had it all my life. 00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:23.240 One of the things that people will tell you is that you can't live without fat. 00:42:23.240 --> 00:42:24.240 I'm living proof. 00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:29.800 I'm past 75, and I'm living proof you can live without eating fat. 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:34.520 If sometime in the future you ever want to get around to discussing Wilson's again, I'll 00:42:34.520 --> 00:42:36.320 be more than happy to call in again. 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:37.320 All right. 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.320 Appreciate your call. 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:39.320 Thanks, Bill. 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:40.320 You have a great day. 00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:41.320 Thank you. 00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:42.320 You too. 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:47.360 I think that eating saturated fats, they can have some therapeutic effects. 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.160 I'm also an advocate of fruit-centered diet. 00:42:52.160 --> 00:42:57.320 There are animals that live on fruit, for example, the squirrel monkey, which lives 00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:05.000 about three times as long as other animals of its size and has an extremely high metabolic 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.080 rate. 00:43:06.080 --> 00:43:10.000 In the wild, it lives exclusively on fruit. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.720 That's sort of a way to think about the effect of fruit on your physiology because the fruit 00:43:15.720 --> 00:43:21.560 contains the things needed to stimulate your thyroid function and protect against stress. 00:43:21.560 --> 00:43:27.480 It is possible to live entirely without fat in your diet because your body can make the 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.800 saturated fats that it needs. 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.560 That's a good point. 00:43:31.560 --> 00:43:35.000 Saturated fat is what the thyroid needs, and you can get that from coconut oil, which I 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.320 use in my own cooking. 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.600 On the other hand, you have a lot of patients who are taking these unsaturated fatty acids, 00:43:41.600 --> 00:43:43.560 which are actually inhibiting the thyroid. 00:43:43.560 --> 00:43:48.520 The more unsaturated the fat is, the more thoroughly it inhibits the thyroid. 00:43:48.520 --> 00:43:53.400 It inhibits secretion, transport, and reaction to the thyroid. 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.400 In the early part of the last century, several researchers showed that animals on a fat-free 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:05.320 diet were completely free of spontaneous cancer and lived longer than normal. 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:09.240 That's very interesting, but at the very least, a patient, if they're taking unsaturated fat, 00:44:09.240 --> 00:44:13.040 should be combining it with saturated fat so they have some kind of balance. 00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:15.520 Anyway, we're coming to the conclusion of our show. 00:44:15.520 --> 00:44:16.520 Thank you. 00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:18.520 My man in the sound room over there is roaring like a lion. 00:44:18.520 --> 00:44:21.200 Dr. Peat, any concluding remarks for our listeners today? 00:44:21.200 --> 00:44:26.800 Well, there's a book that you might be able to find in a big library or a used bookstore 00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:32.160 that is really a great introduction to the amazing things that thyroid can do. 00:44:32.160 --> 00:44:35.080 It's "The Thyroid" by Thomas McGaffick. 00:44:35.080 --> 00:44:37.080 Okay, "Thyroid" by Thomas McGaffick. 00:44:37.080 --> 00:44:39.080 I appreciate being with us, Dr. Peat. 00:44:39.080 --> 00:44:42.640 This has been very interesting, and I hope it's been interesting for you, our audience. 00:44:42.640 --> 00:44:43.920 I'm Dr. Dan Royal. 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.440 You've been listening to Hope for Health, which is brought to you by New Hope Medical 00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:52.160 Center located here in town, where you can find us at 215 N Pecos. 00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:55.400 We invite you to tune in again this same time again next week for another important program 00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.680 on health alternatives with Hope for Health. 00:44:57.680 --> 00:44:59.760 Until then, you have a great life. 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:00.760 By my own fame. 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:01.760 Isn't it great?