WEBVTT 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:04.080 Hi, welcome to this month's Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name is Andrew Murray. 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:05.760 My name is Sarah Johanneson Murray. 00:00:05.760 --> 00:00:09.680 For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows which run every third Friday of the 00:00:09.680 --> 00:00:14.560 month from 7 till 8 p.m., we are both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:19.040 graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult 00:00:19.040 --> 00:00:24.720 with patients about a wide range of conditions and this month we're again very pleased to welcome 00:00:24.720 --> 00:00:31.760 Dr. Ray Peat to the show and we'll be finishing up last month's discussion on food additives and 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:37.760 the detrimental effects, detrimental health effects of food additives and ingredients that 00:00:37.760 --> 00:00:47.440 may not even be listed. But after that we want to cover the topic of cancer in general and 00:00:47.440 --> 00:00:57.600 immunosurveillance and immunology of cancer and perhaps a lot of beliefs about cancer which are 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:06.480 probably more propagated than true. So I know Dr. Raymond Peat has quite an extensive 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:14.160 experience with this and certainly from his background things have changed a lot since 00:01:14.160 --> 00:01:19.760 he was studying and I think what he will bring out is that some of the doctrines that have been 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:27.440 made very common are pretty erroneous and that some of the old research as well as some of new 00:01:27.440 --> 00:01:36.080 research needs to be taken carefully in the light of what it is showing. Okay so Dr. Raymond Peat 00:01:36.080 --> 00:01:44.080 thank you for joining us again on the show. Okay so just to finish up last month's topics of the 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:51.920 food additives and the kind of things that they will be harmful, they will be harmful in consuming 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:57.840 them. Most people when they buy foods off the shelf, I know in England definitely people will 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:04.560 look very carefully at the labels, the ingredient panel and everything as far as I know it has to 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:10.720 be disclosed in England. They have got fairly strict food laws whereas in America there is a 00:02:10.720 --> 00:02:17.600 certain percentage of food ingredients that legally don't have to be detailed. So I know some 00:02:17.600 --> 00:02:24.160 of those things that we mentioned last month we talked about and I know there was a couple of 00:02:24.160 --> 00:02:32.800 things, things like dough conditioners and rennets that I'd like to just discuss with you. The dough 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.760 conditioner, most people probably don't even know it exists in bread or if they do they haven't 00:02:37.760 --> 00:02:44.480 really thought too much about it. But would you say a little bit about the iodine bromate which is 00:02:44.480 --> 00:02:51.840 a fairly common additive to bread and what likely negative health effects it's going to have? 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:59.680 Well besides any changes that it makes to the proteins and starches which will make them more 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:09.600 likely to be allergenic, any that gets into the system is going to be an anti-thyroid agent at 00:03:09.600 --> 00:03:17.200 least. Right, okay, yeah. So it's going to be thyroid suppressive in some respects. Okay, 00:03:17.200 --> 00:03:24.720 and then things like the, I know cheeses, I know we've spent quite a bit of time researching 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:30.960 cheeses, I know our family consumes lots of different cheeses and have leaned more towards 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.800 the European cheeses because of their consistency and the type of manufacturing they go through is 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:46.240 certainly less, I want to say harmful, but it's more of a traditional type of manufacturing for 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:52.240 a food. I know in the states and it's not so much just the states but I know probably for the last 00:03:52.240 --> 00:04:02.240 15 years or so the genetically modified yeasts etc that have been used to culture cheese have 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:06.240 been certainly very widespread and it's quite difficult these days to get a cheese that's not 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:12.720 actually made using a genetically engineered yeast. What do you know about the genetically 00:04:12.720 --> 00:04:19.040 engineered yeasts and the trouble with them rather than using traditional rennet from... 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:26.080 Well, I think the worst problem is that they are using things to carry the 00:04:26.080 --> 00:04:35.680 microbial enzymes. There is always some debris from the aspergillus or whatever the microbe is 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:45.360 they're using as a source of the enzymes and the genetic modification is going to make them 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.920 somewhat different but they're already toxic and allergenic in themselves and so even if they're 00:04:51.920 --> 00:05:01.520 perfectly normal naturally evolved organisms any debris from them that goes along with the enzyme 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:10.080 is going to be very risky. But even worse than simply having microbial enzymes where there used 00:05:10.080 --> 00:05:22.800 to be animal enzymes to distribute and emulsify or mix the enzymes efficiently to make them store 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:32.080 and package so they can be canned and then just dumped into the bat. They're using seaweed 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:42.720 materials either carrageenan or other things that for example one of the 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:52.240 compounds that's being used to make microspheres to enclose the microbial enzymes one of these 00:05:52.240 --> 00:06:02.720 has been used to make dental mold for taking impressions of the mouth and making restorations. 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:12.480 One person died shortly after having some of that stuff put in his mouth and the students of 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:19.280 dentistry a very high proportion of them had serious allergic reactions when they were practicing with 00:06:19.280 --> 00:06:28.080 them but these things are routinely being added to foods to carry other products and as a packaging 00:06:28.080 --> 00:06:35.600 or carrying material they don't show up on the labels at all. So I mean even on the labels for 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:40.240 cheese if you go into the grocery store and look at the label for the cheese sometimes it just says 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.480 rennet and that could mean animal rennet or it could mean vegetable rennet and the vegetable 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:50.320 rennet never really comes from a vegetable source it's always either genetically modified or grown 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:56.880 on a mold and that would be the microbial enzymes or it says non-animal rennet they have all these 00:06:56.880 --> 00:07:01.360 different types of course there's there are natural rennet available like fig juice and 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.920 cardoon thistle but of course no companies use those anymore to manufacture so you're saying 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:13.360 not only are these enzymes problematic but also the carriers that they that carry the enzymes so 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:23.600 that it's easy and convenient for the cheese maker to make cheese. And they're being used as carriers 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:32.560 for other foods I don't know how far it has gone but they're for the last 10 years it's 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:38.720 increasingly common to use the seaweed materials which are potentially deadly. 00:07:40.640 --> 00:07:49.040 One of the other most deadly allergens was sulfite that killed a few people eating 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:57.040 restaurant salads or seafood that had been deodorized with it but it was even after 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:05.600 that was recognized that it could be deadly when it was used on a salad it was still used in drugs 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:16.400 sold for treating asthma patients for years and years. The product allupin a girl who had almost 00:08:16.400 --> 00:08:23.760 died in the hospital being treated with that once was about to be treated with it again the doctor 00:08:23.760 --> 00:08:34.160 wouldn't acknowledge that she had any validity and she grabbed the bottle and ran with her oxygen 00:08:34.160 --> 00:08:43.760 bottle and right on the bottle it said contains metabisulfite and I wrote to the FDA and the 00:08:43.760 --> 00:08:50.320 drug companies that made it and the Journal of the American Medical Association. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:57.200 They all said yes it's a problem it can kill people but they went on selling it for years 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:04.400 and didn't even publish warnings or extra labels that this might kill you. 00:09:04.400 --> 00:09:10.480 Were they trying to cite the small numbers of people that might be killed as a reasonable 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:21.440 cost? Yeah it killed mostly people who already had asthma. Right and who were already allergic 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:25.440 to the sulfites right? Yeah. Now it's interesting you mentioned sulfites so thank you for mentioning 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:32.480 that the wine and beer industry that's pretty much what keeps most wines stable or so they say 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.680 stable I know that winemakers don't have to use sulfites I'm certainly not defending them but 00:09:37.680 --> 00:09:45.920 sulfites are prevalent as sodium metabisulfite as both as a cleaning agent and also as an agent to 00:09:45.920 --> 00:09:50.560 halt fermentation. I know in beer making I used to make quite a lot of beer when I was younger 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:56.800 and I know that sodium metabisulfite tablets were a pretty common place in beer making. 00:09:56.800 --> 00:10:07.840 And even organic fruits can be processed with the sulfur dioxide. Yeah yeah and that's another very 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:16.160 interesting point the sulfur dioxide they use in dried fruit especially that's a fairly common 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:21.760 ingredient isn't it? Yeah so what do you what do you what do you state as the kind of toxic side 00:10:21.760 --> 00:10:28.560 effects of sulfites apart from what you've already mentioned for the asthma patient? Oh I think that's 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:37.120 the allergic reaction is really the only serious toxic effect. Okay. A person never knows when 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:43.680 they're going to have an allergic reaction if if they just happen to have not eaten for 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:53.440 an extra long time or if their thyroid happens to have fallen there can be a sudden increase in 00:10:53.440 --> 00:11:01.520 allergic sensitivity because the blood sugar very very powerfully controls the release of histamine 00:11:01.520 --> 00:11:10.400 and other agents. In the absence in low blood sugar situations is that the case? Yeah and in 00:11:10.400 --> 00:11:18.640 experiments they found that the mildest allergen would kill animals with shock if their blood sugar 00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:26.240 was lowered to 50 percent of normal. Wow so this would be another good reason to defend the 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.360 consumption of sugar it's always been such a maligned substance you know sugar free. If they 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:41.200 doubled the blood sugar of the animals even the deadly allergen would only cause a slight 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:47.600 reddening of their nose and sniffles. So that's the motto eat frequently throughout the day right? 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:57.200 Yeah eating frequently avoids several stress reactions including fluctuations in blood sugar. 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:02.720 Now I know there are people listening who are going to be still stuck on the mantra or the 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.960 doctrine if you like and that's the thing that I want to open up in a few short moments about 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:12.000 cancer but that we're all led to believe that sugar is bad for you you'll get diabetes if you 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:21.200 eat too much sugar. How do you defend that Dr. Peat and support sugar's role in the healthy organism? 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:31.120 A lot of people cite Otto Warburg's work in the 1920s in which he showed that cancer cells 00:12:31.760 --> 00:12:40.800 can't use oxygen efficiently and so they use sugar at an extremely high rate. Right. And so 00:12:40.800 --> 00:12:48.880 people are now saying if cancer cells can only live on sugar then you shouldn't eat sugar but 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:58.400 that just isn't an argument because the body when you have even a small tumor the body senses 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:09.600 danger and increases its production of cortisol. One of the very early events in cancer is a 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:17.200 chronic elevation of cortisol and the cortisol turns your tissues to sugar and so if you don't 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:23.280 eat sugar your body wastes away faster. Right that's the cachexia associated with that. 00:13:23.280 --> 00:13:30.880 And that the wasting away of your immune system and other tissues is really what 00:13:30.880 --> 00:13:37.760 kills most people from the cancer. Okay. And so there have been experiments in which 00:13:37.760 --> 00:13:47.760 very high concentrations of glucose were put in for example if there was a tumor in an extremity 00:13:47.760 --> 00:13:56.880 where they could isolate that circulation and put a high concentration like a glucose syrup 00:13:56.880 --> 00:14:03.920 into the artery feeding the leg the sugar itself would cause the cancer to die. 00:14:03.920 --> 00:14:14.400 And so it not only spares your immune system and brain and other tissues but if it can be 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:21.120 delivered long enough at a high enough concentration it allows something to happen 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:28.640 in the cancer that can kill the cancer. Wow okay so let's just go straight into the 00:14:28.640 --> 00:14:38.960 topic of the science and the kind of dogma surrounding current cancer theory and the 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:46.320 fairly new or even in the in cases of older papers the kind of rediscovered papers written 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:52.160 some time ago that are kind of largely ignored and not part of mainstream 00:14:52.160 --> 00:15:00.720 understanding and some of those theories about cancer in the new stem cell research that's being 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:08.800 done. How do you see the cancer cells arising because we've always been traditionally 00:15:08.800 --> 00:15:16.880 told or taught at least that cancer cells are outside of the body's general control 00:15:16.880 --> 00:15:23.200 and we all led to believe that this apoptosis or cell program death exists and it's part of a 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:31.040 genetic code in each cell only has so many so many times that it can reproduce and then it's 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:40.080 automatically turned off and but cancer cells don't acknowledge that they don't. Yeah everything 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:50.400 is wrong with that belief going back to the middle of the 19th century people were seeing that cancer 00:15:50.400 --> 00:16:02.640 arises in a field they called it the cancer field of visibly abnormal cells and after this basically 00:16:02.640 --> 00:16:11.840 inflamed area had persisted for a long time mutant cells might appear somewhere in it but 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:20.880 that is something that is it has been developed progressively over 150 years that there is such 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:30.000 a thing as a cancer field and anything irritating or destructive that the body can't overcome 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:40.560 will cause a progressive stressing or inflammation of the tissue and you can develop a cancer 00:16:40.560 --> 00:16:49.280 before there is any mutation identifiable. Harry Rubin at Berkeley is really the only 00:16:49.280 --> 00:17:00.320 official academic biologist who has worked on that topic and he has shown that there definitely is 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:10.240 a pre-mutational definitive cancer condition and in the cancer then in the tissue as a whole is so 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:19.840 unhealthy that mutations among other changes occur in the DNA but the DNA event really is 00:17:19.840 --> 00:17:25.520 down the road from what is causing the cancer. Okay so you're suggesting that there's there's 00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:31.040 such an injury or a chronic inflammation to a certain tissue and eventually that's what causes 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:41.360 a cancer? Yeah and when you look at the actual functioning of a tumor which it produces cells 00:17:41.360 --> 00:17:50.080 that look funny have three-cornered cell divisions and a very bizarre behavior and 00:17:50.080 --> 00:17:59.280 genetic changes in the DNA. These cells are very very sick cells that don't have a long lifespan 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:09.120 there when you see them in a biopsy cross-section what you're seeing as cancer cells are very 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:16.960 mortal cells that probably will die in the next couple of divisions and the the doctrine that 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:24.800 that cancer cells are immortal and body cells are mortal it's completely backwards. 00:18:25.760 --> 00:18:33.040 The Hayflick doctrine was really invented that cells can only divide 50 times. 00:18:33.040 --> 00:18:43.360 It was really invented to reinforce this DNA-centric view of biology and in fact 00:18:43.360 --> 00:18:52.640 the stem cell work has definitively shown that all cells seem to be 00:18:53.760 --> 00:19:05.440 basically stem cells and immortal given the right circumstances and when the the cancer 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:13.760 industry is now forced to think about the idea of stem cells but when they talk about a cancer 00:19:13.760 --> 00:19:21.520 stem cell basically they are just going back to the old concept of a mutant cell and the clone of 00:19:21.520 --> 00:19:33.120 a mutant cell they totally miss the point of of the stem cell research which is that the stem cells 00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:45.680 are normal cells which are able to regenerate any tissue that needs help and the function of the 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:54.000 tumor is some kind of a process of healing and regeneration that can't come to completion 00:19:54.000 --> 00:20:03.040 something is missing that would allow a tumor to let the the sick cells die while the 00:20:03.040 --> 00:20:14.880 the healthy cells return to normal functioning. Studies of x-ray treated tumors found that 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:23.280 in fact the x-ray had accelerated the death of all of the original tumor cells but it 00:20:23.280 --> 00:20:31.680 actually accelerated the ability of the tumor to call for help and recruit stem cells from the 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:39.600 bloodstream or from adjacent tissues and so the same signals that are sent out causing 00:20:40.800 --> 00:20:50.320 a region of inflammation to progressively become more active metabolically these signals are 00:20:50.320 --> 00:21:01.040 calling for assistance and replacement cells so when a tumor is irradiated it increases its ability 00:21:01.040 --> 00:21:09.680 to call for help and so the reason the tumor keeps growing even after everything is killed with 00:21:09.680 --> 00:21:18.960 radiation is that you have increased the injury and made it able to recruit more stem cells 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:25.120 and then grow into more cancer yeah because something is still missing in the organism 00:21:25.120 --> 00:21:32.320 which could allow a proper completion of the healing process. How do you see metastases 00:21:32.320 --> 00:21:38.560 in the light of the cancer being a recruitment of stem cells to that local site? Way back in the 00:21:39.120 --> 00:21:50.960 30s 40s and 50s tests were made on prison inmates and foreigners implanting pieces of cancer in them 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:59.280 either with or without their permission and it was over and over found that people who had the cancer 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:08.240 would accept a transplant and people who were healthy didn't suffer any consequences from 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:16.480 having a bit of a cancer injected into them and the bulk of the research with 00:22:16.480 --> 00:22:27.760 putting human cancers into animals are done in the nude mouse which happens to be a mutant that 00:22:27.760 --> 00:22:38.560 not only lacks hair but it lacks the sinus glands. Okay and this is a b-cell so the transplantation 00:22:38.560 --> 00:22:47.600 or the metastasis which is simply a self-induced transplantation this involves 00:22:47.600 --> 00:22:54.400 a defect in the whole organism that makes it susceptible to receiving a transplant. 00:22:55.520 --> 00:22:58.480 Right because it shouldn't be receiving the transplant in the first place. 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:06.480 I didn't hear that. Basically the body should be rejecting the yeah yeah normally the cancer 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:15.040 transplant. It's constantly rejecting uh cells that go astray and if if the cell isn't appropriate 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:21.920 for that organ or tissue it can't live in that environment and so dies. But the animals that 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:27.680 could accept the cancer transplants were obviously so unhealthy that their bodies didn't reject 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:31.920 the tissue is that what you're trying to say? Yeah they can't even grow hair. 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:38.160 So they're already a deformed organism. I want to go back to what you said about radiation Dr. Peat 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:44.880 is that why radiation is used in the cancer industry is because it does kill some tumor 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:52.640 cells? Oh yeah it'll it'll stop the um the cells that are irradiated um it stops them right in 00:23:52.640 --> 00:24:02.320 their tracks uh healthy or sick especially uh the uh the sick cells were going to die anyway but 00:24:02.320 --> 00:24:10.640 it'll stop the growth of healthy tissue and cause it to produce uh first it releases histamine 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:20.960 and serotonin and uh tryptase enzymes that cause inflammation and and degeneration locally. That's 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:28.080 within 30 minutes of getting irradiated there's a burst of these allergens uh reactive substances 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:40.160 and then that leads to a chronic overproduction of collagen and the growth of uh repair cells 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:48.320 fibroblasts. So first it's inflammation then fibrosis. Now the body's trying to heal the 00:24:48.320 --> 00:24:57.760 inflammation or take care of it. And if the body can't uh heal this scarred atrophied tissue then 00:24:57.760 --> 00:25:07.840 the cells can uh if they recruit cells that try to repair it and so it'll keep 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:16.640 becoming a a risk of future cancers just as part of the attempt to repair a sick tissue. 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:22.400 So that's why while some people might have radiation for their cancer it's very uh often 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:28.080 that the cancer returns is because it didn't take care of the underlying problem in the first place. 00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:36.400 Yeah. Okay you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMED Galbafil 91.1 FM and from 7 30 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.840 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock you're invited to call in with any questions either 00:25:39.840 --> 00:25:45.360 related or unrelated to this month's topic of current cancer research and old theory. 00:25:45.360 --> 00:25:49.040 My name is Andrew Murray. My name is Sarah Johannison Murray. And we're joined by guest 00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:54.000 speaker Dr. Raymond Peat endocrinologist biochemist and physiologist. The number here if you live in 00:25:54.000 --> 00:26:02.960 the area is 923 3911 or if you live outside the area the toll-free number is 1-800-568-3723. 00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:10.880 How about the uh is the current theory in place that cancer cells have slightly different surface 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:18.160 markers on their cell membranes? The MHCs that are normally associated with body cells 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:24.880 being different in cancer cells is that immunology still current or? Oh um yeah they're 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:34.480 they're degenerating and so they can go off in many directions and so they can be killed very 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:44.400 easily because they're recognized as abnormal material. Okay. And the normal function of what's 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:55.600 called the immune system is to maintain the proper development and form of the body and 00:26:55.600 --> 00:27:07.760 the phagocytosis of sick or injured tissue is really at the center of the immune system and 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:17.600 germs don't necessarily trigger the immune system unless they damage something. As soon as they 00:27:17.600 --> 00:27:25.440 damage something then the immune system tries to take care of it cleaning up what damage has been 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:35.520 done and in the process they'll clear out the bacteria or viruses. But really in the development 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:46.560 of the organism the immune system is really part of our developmental nutritional control systems. 00:27:46.560 --> 00:27:55.360 Okay um I know we mentioned at the beginning of this discussion about constant irritation and I 00:27:55.360 --> 00:28:01.840 know um when I was studying the this constant irritation and specifically something that most 00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:09.120 people can understand is constant irritation uh smoking and how smoking ultimately in a lot of 00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:14.640 people would lead to lung cancer and so that constant irritation of the tobacco smoke those 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:20.960 particles in the lung tissue uh caused this change in the cell and that was the that was the beginning 00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:30.720 of lung cancer. How the higher a cell's energy capacity is the more it takes to irritate it. 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:38.640 Okay. And so keeping your cellular energy at a maximum means that you're pretty immune to 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:47.280 irritation but if if something impairs your energy production then almost anything becomes irritating. 00:28:47.280 --> 00:28:53.440 So that's what you see commonly in low thyroid diseases the energy production of the cell is 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:58.640 very decreased very much decreased and then you can have allergic reactions or cancer come 00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:08.960 start up. And in cigarette smoke there are not only uh the uh irritants and um the 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:17.280 polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are the famous carcinogens but they are also estrogens and 00:29:17.280 --> 00:29:28.960 irritants are causing pain and inflammation and estrogen-like changes and uh behind those irritants 00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:36.800 there's the carbon monoxide which blocks oxygen use and so makes the cell spontaneously 00:29:36.800 --> 00:29:42.640 more susceptible to over stimulation or irritation. 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:54.160 And when you add up uh different types of stimulation and uh impairment of energy production 00:29:55.040 --> 00:30:02.640 then you have a greater risk of chronic inflammation and cancer. And besides those 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:10.400 hydrocarbons that you say are estrogenic those suppress the thyroid as well. Yeah um the um 00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:20.480 alternative for really it used to be the main line cancer research was really at the point of 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:27.360 understanding uh how cancer development works uh the work of the Pullman's 00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:35.600 in the 1940s and 50s was uh showing that it's the electronic behavior of these 00:30:35.600 --> 00:30:44.160 aromatic hydrocarbons that uh act as signals to the cells in the same way that estrogen 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:56.400 substances signal the cells. And uh the um various uh drug interests and government interests uh 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:05.200 diverted that line of research by not financing it anymore and instead they finance the um molecular 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:14.400 biology approach which is uh explaining away those hormonal actions of the aromatic hydrocarbons 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:23.440 as nothing but a type of mutation. They they happen to fit into the DNA very compactly 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:33.440 and uh do mutate it but really their main uh mechanism for mutating the DNA is by acting 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:38.640 as hormones that uh deplete the energy of the cell while over exciting it. 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.920 Okay so I think most people listening to the show this evening could understand the truth 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:54.720 behind the statement that a energetic active organism is more able to defend itself against 00:31:54.720 --> 00:32:03.760 external uh threats and external uh breakdown but the weak de-energized organism is more easily 00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:12.240 overcome. How does how does a human being energize itself in terms of uh improving its ATP production 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:21.040 and being more uh yeah more energetic? First you need all of the essential vitamins and minerals 00:32:21.040 --> 00:32:30.800 and adequate amino acids and proteins of the right sorts but sugar is very essential for uh 00:32:30.800 --> 00:32:37.680 keeping your thyroid functioning up without resorting to a cortisone overproduction. Right. 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:49.680 And uh the essential nutrients if you're getting enough sugar uh will allow your your thyroid to 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:57.360 function unless the thyroid is specifically signaled to turn off by such things as polyunsaturated 00:32:57.360 --> 00:33:06.880 fatty acids and estrogens which are very systematically involved in turning down your 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:18.560 metabolism. Once that weakening process starts from such things as smoke and 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:29.280 hormone imitating toxins then the bacteria in your intestines will produce toxins that you absorb 00:33:29.280 --> 00:33:37.280 when your intestine is de-energized it becomes permeable and anything in the intestine then can 00:33:37.280 --> 00:33:45.840 leak right into the bloodstream. So if you're exhausted you might get flu-like symptoms. 00:33:47.040 --> 00:33:55.200 If your thyroid is being poisoned flu-like symptoms will often make you ache all over and 00:33:55.200 --> 00:34:06.400 feel exhausted and so on. So the intestine is always available as a sort of a third level 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:15.600 of toxicity and and energy poisoning. Okay so you would avoid things like polyunsaturates you would 00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:22.400 improve your thyroid function. Um polyunsaturated let's just uh specify the polyunsaturated fatty 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:32.000 acids are vegetable oils corn soy canola cotton seed sesame seed oil all those vegetable oils 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:39.600 that are in common use in restaurants. In the 1980s the French did a great series of experiments 00:34:39.600 --> 00:34:48.320 showing that every stage of the thyroid hormone production and response and transport every stage 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:55.840 was blocked in proportion to the number of double bonds in the unsaturated fat. So 00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:04.080 the monounsaturated were slightly inhibiting compared to the saturated fats or sugars. The 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:14.240 two bonded uh two double bonds like linoleic acid were much more inhibiting and the triply 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:23.760 or quadruply unsaturated fat such as the popular fish oils and omega minus three 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:31.520 fats these are the most inhibiting to the the whole energy system. So the bottom line there is 00:35:31.520 --> 00:35:40.560 eat coconut oil and butter and avoid all other oils olive oil in moderation. Yeah and sugar is 00:35:40.560 --> 00:35:48.720 really the basic protection against the toxicity of the oils. So keep your blood sugar up with 00:35:48.720 --> 00:35:55.040 frequent meals and lots of fresh fruit. Lots of fruits yeah. Lots of fruit is the best sugar. 00:35:55.040 --> 00:36:00.720 Perfect I think we've got a caller on the line so let's take the call. Caller you're on the air. 00:36:00.720 --> 00:36:02.640 [Phone rings] 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:09.120 Hello caller. Oh we had a caller anyway all right well until the caller comes back or we get another 00:36:09.120 --> 00:36:13.200 another caller. I think the phones I can see the lights flashing and the phones are going so until 00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:20.720 we get the oh you're on the air again. Hello. Well that's not done either. Well I know they're coming 00:36:20.720 --> 00:36:24.400 in because the lights are flashing but for some reason they're not uh they're not coming through. 00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:34.000 Anyway so I think to get back to the the cancer issue and what's what's not being done in terms 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:39.200 of what's being done wrong in terms of most people's treatment for cancer and the pretty poor 00:36:39.200 --> 00:36:47.760 success rate. Almost universally doctors want to kill cancer cells but the cancer cells 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:58.320 just want to die. They're very weak cells and you damage the organism when you concentrate on 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:07.920 killing the cancer cells. Right. And since the total death rate from cancer has simply steadily 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:14.720 increased. Right. The only way they can claim they're making progress is by diagnosing cancer 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:24.800 more often. If you look in enough tissues and organs by the time a person is 50 you can find 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:34.560 at least one cancer and so if you diagnose really hard you can have about a an 80 or 90 percent cure 00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:40.720 rate without actually curing anyone. I think the caller that we had Dr. Peat has come back on so 00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:45.840 we'll carry on this conversation once we've had the caller. You're on the air? Hello. Hello you're 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:51.920 on the air. Yeah hello. Yes. Is that me? It is. Okay um I wanted to ask some questions about sugar 00:37:51.920 --> 00:38:00.320 to clarify. You sound like uh the impression I'm getting is like oh sugar's okay go for it 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:11.840 you need sugar. Now um as far as I know sugar especially refined white sugar is addicting. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:18.240 It's it's more of a drug than a food. Most people's obesity can be traced to their addiction to sugar 00:38:18.240 --> 00:38:27.440 and most diabetes can be traced to an overuse of sugar which overuses the insulin to where the 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:33.040 insulin production the pancreas wears out and can't produce enough insulin to keep up with the 00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:43.600 sugar and then a person has to go on artificial insulin just to live. Now I assume fruit sugar 00:38:43.600 --> 00:38:48.960 and if you're just eating fruit that that's okay but can you clarify the difference between eating 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:56.960 fruit sugar and an apple or an orange or eating you know candy and cookies with white sugar and 00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.120 refined white flour? I mean that can't be good for your body. Could you address that please? 00:39:01.120 --> 00:39:10.400 Um starches and proteins really are very powerful stimulants to insulin and the combination of 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:17.280 starch and polyunsaturated fats will cause the greatest disturbance of blood sugar much more 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:28.400 than eating white sugar candy and such. The polyunsaturated fat block the ability to use sugar 00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:39.280 and so the cells experience a sugar deficiency and turn on stress reactions and the starches 00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:46.960 are pure glucose rather than 50/50 fructose and glucose and so starches are much more powerful 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:55.600 stimulants to insulin and the stress reactions. So um just to kind of clarify that a little bit 00:39:55.600 --> 00:40:02.000 here for our listeners Dr. Peat you're saying that starches well I know they have a glycemic index of 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:10.000 around 140 or 138 and that includes bread, pasta, chips, cookies, cakes, all those foods that are 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:15.360 starchy carbohydrates rather than actually the sugar in them well that adds to it but the starches 00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:20.400 themselves have a much higher glycemic index so they will cause your pancreas to have to 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:27.200 secrete a lot more insulin. Now white sugar has a glycemic index of around 99 and whilst organic 00:40:27.200 --> 00:40:36.080 raw honey is one of the best sweeteners there is, fruit sugars, honey has a lot more fructose 00:40:36.080 --> 00:40:41.200 than sucrose so honey even has a lower glycemic index than white sugar and fruits have a glycemic 00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:50.480 index of around 75. The potassium content of fruit is really what keeps the insulin much much lower. 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:59.280 If you eat a piece of bread you are getting very little potassium but if you eat a piece of fruit 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:07.040 with the same amount of sugar the potassium will pretty much take care of the insulin issue it acts 00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:15.360 like insulin and so when you eat a piece of fruit you're having very little stimulation to your 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:23.840 fat production. And the other thing too that I've found out is that white sugar actually because 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:30.240 it's been filtered is much less allergenic to the organism than the raw brown sugar the 00:41:30.240 --> 00:41:38.480 rapadura sugar. Dr. Peat can you comment on that point? Yeah the manufacture of brown sugar 00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:49.600 when you centrifuge it the first wash is blackstrap molasses and I've noticed that 00:41:49.600 --> 00:41:58.320 there's usually a very smoky taste in the blackstrap and it has been a common practice 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:06.640 to burn the cane fields to make it easier to harvest and so some of the brown stuff is 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:17.440 smoke and the rest of it if you just boil sugar even white pure sugar if you boil it at a very 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:24.880 high temperature driving off the water so the temperature rises above 100 degrees Celsius 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:35.680 any impurities in it will start causing polymerization reactions and create allergens 00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:45.040 from the sugar itself and so the brown material containing a lot of biological materials other 00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:51.760 than sugar heating that with the sugar can make some pretty intense allergens. 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:57.360 So to summarize all that the best source of sugar in your opinion than Dr. Peat is fruit 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:08.240 soft ripe fresh fruit and milk sugar and then so that's number one number two would be raw honey 00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:14.480 and then if you had to eat sugar then it would be white sugar rather than brown correct? Yeah. 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:19.760 And then the starches are the least preferable form to get your sugar in because they 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:25.760 have very little minerals to balance the high spike of glucose that's released and the high 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:34.640 glycemic index they have even in whole grains. Yeah and that stimulation of insulin always leads 00:43:34.640 --> 00:43:43.840 to a surge of cortisol which tends to destroy the protein in your tissues to keep your sugar 00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:52.160 up against the effect of insulin and so eating even too much protein at a time without fruit 00:43:53.200 --> 00:44:02.560 will waste a lot of protein. I've seen people who are eating more than two pounds of meat a day 00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:11.600 who were having signs of protein deficiency with super amounts of cortisol being produced 00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:19.360 and tremendous amounts of amino acids in their urine. Wow waste. So not only do these starches 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:24.560 so it's you know it's yes it's a well-known fact that cakes and cookies cause problems and 00:44:24.560 --> 00:44:29.680 diabetes but it's not as well as the oils that are put in the cakes and the cookies the vegetable 00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:36.480 oils but it also can be too much protein not balanced by enough sugars can lead to the same 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:45.520 situation. Okay I think there's another caller so caller you're on the air hello. Hello yeah you're 00:44:45.520 --> 00:44:52.080 on the air. Okay I just had a quick one question and one thing I wanted to thank Dr. Peat because 00:44:52.080 --> 00:44:57.920 I heard him on another radio station and I cut out everything but butter and it gave me a lot 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:06.240 more energy. I stopped using vegetable oils entirely so thank you for that and what I wanted 00:45:06.240 --> 00:45:14.160 to ask you was I was told that if I follow acid that would help depression and not sure why could 00:45:14.160 --> 00:45:24.880 you explain that or is that wrong? What kind of acid? Folic acid. Oh well fruits are very good 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:33.680 sources of folic acid. I don't know of any special function it has in digestion but it 00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:39.440 it the right amount of it is very protective. Oh not digestion depression. 00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:46.240 Did you say depression? Yeah. Yeah okay so that thing the lady was talking about. Oh depression 00:45:46.240 --> 00:45:56.400 yeah oh yeah it's needed to make the transmitter substances nerve transmitter and. Oh okay 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:01.440 all right so eat your fruit for any depressant activity. 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:08.080 Okay thank you. Thank you for your call. I think we're getting a little bit of disturbance on the 00:46:08.080 --> 00:46:12.480 air on the phones. It's a bit unfortunate I'm likely hearing some very strange alien type sounds 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:16.320 but that's probably some of the reason for. Hopefully it's only us that's hearing it. Yeah 00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:22.800 well I'm not sure if it goes out on the air or not. Okay so yeah it's 7 48 and we are very pleased 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:30.000 to have Dr. Raymond Peat on the show and we were talking about cancer in terms of the most current 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:37.760 theories and old theories and the best ways of treating the organism so far that we've got out 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:45.520 of this is that the organism's energy the amount of spare energy the organism has the greater the 00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:52.400 amount the better able to defend the organism against insults etc and and disease in general 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:58.160 so what what's being done currently that you're excited about in terms of cancer treatment Dr. 00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:06.640 Peat? Oh more and more people are recognizing the importance of aspirin and stopping inflammation 00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:18.000 and that is not always interpreted appropriately but as we age we accumulate more and more of the 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:24.960 polyunfaturated fats in our tissues and under stress we have those circulating in the blood 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:36.560 and that means that they are available more and more chronically to produce the inflammatory 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:47.120 prostaglandins and so aspirin is in a way an anti-aging defense against a lifetime of 00:47:47.120 --> 00:47:56.720 of accumulating polyunsaturated fat and it's now known that it prevents essentially all kinds of 00:47:56.720 --> 00:48:04.480 cancer to some degree of use it chronically but it's now being used therapeutically 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:13.760 backing up other more conventional or toxic treatments but it's a very safe treatment and 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:23.520 its use is increasing. Aspirin's been around for a long time but you know originally they 00:48:23.520 --> 00:48:29.600 derived the cetosalicylic acid from or precursors to that compound from white willow bark and meadow 00:48:29.600 --> 00:48:37.600 sweet and other herbs so it's a very very ancient remedy. How many aspirins or how much aspirin would 00:48:37.600 --> 00:48:42.560 you suggest Dr. Peat because I know some people out there and undoubtedly will be talking about 00:48:42.560 --> 00:48:49.280 gastric ulcers and bleeding and you know how bad aspirin is for you. So yes the aspirin should be 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:59.520 backed up with always with plenty of vitamin k and not the synthetic k but natural k1 and k2 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:11.680 and vitamin k happens to be structurally extremely similar to a tropical botanical 00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:22.240 drug called lopacho or lopachoin and that has been used for generations with lots of success 00:49:22.240 --> 00:49:31.120 for treating cancer and it's analogous to several other drugs that have a good history of treating 00:49:31.120 --> 00:49:40.320 cancer. Imodin from aloe and cascara is structurally analogous to vitamin k and 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:53.440 and tetracycline the microbial antibiotic is it has considerable anti-cancer action but it 00:49:53.440 --> 00:50:02.000 doesn't kill the cancer cells necessarily it protects the organism the same way cascara 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:09.120 does to protect the mitochondria from being poisoned. Okay I think we've actually got one 00:50:09.120 --> 00:50:14.960 or two more callers on the line so let's let's take the next caller. Hi I almost hate to call 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.920 in and interrupt but I have so much gratitude for these programs thank you. You're very welcome. 00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:26.720 Thank you for your call. Oh it's immensely informative I'm in really great health luckily 00:50:26.720 --> 00:50:35.120 I just follow the herbs and good food and what do you have any feelings about quercetin 00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:42.160 and staying healthy or? Okay Dr. Peat would you do you have much to say about quercetin? 00:50:42.160 --> 00:50:50.960 What was the word? The quercetin. Quercetin. Yeah. Oh well you get similar things in fruits in the 00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:59.360 safest way I think. Okay. Oranges have some substances that are even safer and better than 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:07.280 quercetin. Norenginon for example that's my favorite thing in that category. And also nettle 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:11.680 leaf not only is it high in vitamin k I always like to go on about nettles it's very high in 00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:19.120 vitamin k but it also has quercetin as well as lots of minerals and anahistamine function well 00:51:19.120 --> 00:51:25.040 the quercetin is part of anahistamine function. Okay I think there's another caller caller 00:51:26.080 --> 00:51:30.240 and we'll take this next call of Dr. Peat and I think this might be hello hello you're on the air. 00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:36.640 Yes now I have I had two things and now when you mentioned the nettles that I thought of another 00:51:36.640 --> 00:51:44.560 but I guess there's very little time so with you're using white willow bark in mediherb what 00:51:44.560 --> 00:51:52.080 would be maybe an average amount for what Dr. Peat is recommending like one tablet? Well yeah the 00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:56.400 mediherb tablets I think you'd probably need to be using I mean if you're talking about just an 00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:01.360 anti-inflammatory effect daily probably about one tablet daily maybe split up into a couple doses 00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:06.640 but if you're talking about an anti-cancer dose it'd probably be more like nine tablets a day. 00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:10.560 Okay well I think people might like to know that there's something besides like a Bayer 00:52:10.560 --> 00:52:16.400 aspirin which companies don't want to use that company or corporate company that there isn't 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:24.320 some alternative. Yes and there is white willow bark this see white willow bark itself is so 00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:30.560 you have to take so much of it so if you make a tea you have to drink a lot of tea that's why 00:52:30.560 --> 00:52:35.680 when it's standardized and concentrated it's more effective and it is a problem with the aspirins 00:52:35.680 --> 00:52:41.840 they have starches and other odd weird ingredients in them that the one brand that doesn't have as 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:46.320 many terrible ingredients is the western family brand if you were looking for aspirin otherwise 00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:51.440 for white willow bark we have a standardized white willow bark powder that is standardized 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:55.600 it contains certain amount of salicylic acid and the therapeutic dose is much easier a couple 00:52:55.600 --> 00:53:00.880 capsules a day rather than gallons of white willow bark tea but did you have another question? Yes I 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:07.120 wanted to ask the audience that there's somebody who has an abundance of deer ewe that I would 00:53:07.120 --> 00:53:17.600 like to trade for a plant and my number is 923-5142 this is Corinne and the alien sounds are coming 00:53:17.600 --> 00:53:22.400 from the radio. Yeah I thought I heard those too your number again? I'll repeat Corinne's number 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:31.040 is 907-926-5142 and she's looking for some fever food plants if anyone has some fever extra fever 00:53:31.040 --> 00:53:36.720 food plant she wants to trade. Good okay. Thank you for your call Corinne. Yeah I don't know what's 00:53:36.720 --> 00:53:41.600 up with all the echo tonight I'm not sure it's all coming from the the calls from the phones but I 00:53:41.600 --> 00:53:45.680 don't know why. Well we won't say it's anything to do with any kind of government control or 00:53:45.680 --> 00:53:50.880 anything like that it's just the way it is. Okay because I know there's a plenty of controversy 00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:56.800 surrounding some of the topics that we cover I know people certainly like to hear it. I want 00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:04.560 to ask Dr. Peat one more question tonight and that is what do you think of the American Cancer 00:54:04.560 --> 00:54:13.440 Society and the whole cancer treatment in this day and age? Oh I haven't been following it recently 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:21.920 but I've checked in on them over the last several decades and I see a lot of fraud. 00:54:25.040 --> 00:54:35.360 One lecture tour sponsored by them was to show that they had cured lung cancer and leukemia 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:43.840 and this famous biologist from University of California was using phony statistics to make 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:49.760 it look like the American Cancer Society was responsible for the disappearance of both 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:59.280 leukemia and lung cancer and the figures simply didn't show it for lung cancer if you use the 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:08.880 right kind of statistics and the ending of atomic bomb testing accounted for the drop in childhood 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:18.720 leukemia. But they do propagandistic things pretty habitually I think. So why there seems to be I 00:55:18.720 --> 00:55:24.480 mean a lot of the research you send me is a lot of scientists around this country and around the 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:32.320 world doing research on anti-cancer substances but yet it seems it never reaches the hospitals 00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:36.960 and where people are actually getting treated for cancer so why is that Dr. Peat? Well the drug 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:45.760 companies really went a good drug for them is something that you pay all your money for and 00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:52.880 keep taking as long as you're alive and they don't want people getting cured with something like 00:55:52.880 --> 00:56:04.560 aspirin and fruit juice. Or powderco and cascara. Okay all right well I know it's getting pretty 00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:12.080 twitchy there in the control room and it's 7.58 so we've got two more minutes but hey we need to 00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:17.040 think about wrapping up for this evening. Well thank you very much again for joining us Dr. Peat. 00:56:17.040 --> 00:56:22.400 Thank you. Okay so for those people who've listened to our show thank you very much for 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:29.360 all the feedback and your comments much appreciated. Dr. Ray Peat can be contacted via his website on 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:39.680 www.raypeat.com and that's spelled r-a-y-p-e-a-t dot com r-a-y-p-e-a-t and we can be reached toll 00:56:39.680 --> 00:56:48.880 free on 1-888-WBM-ERB which is 1-888-926-4372 for consultations or further information. Thank you 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:53.600 very much for listening and thank you very much for joining our show Dr. Peat. Okay and I think 00:56:53.600 --> 00:56:58.240 we'll just break the end of the show by saying the truth is out there for those people who want to 00:56:58.240 --> 00:57:05.360 hear the truth stand up look around open your ears and the truth is out there so whilst a lie 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:10.240 and this is one of Dr. Raymond Peat's quotes on his newsletters whilst and I think I can get this 00:57:10.240 --> 00:57:16.000 kind of right whilst a lie spreads around the world truth is just putting her boots on so 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:19.920 think about that folks this truth is not going to be easy to find but it's out there.