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My name's Andrew Murray. 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.000 My name's Sarah Johannison Murray. 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.500 For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, 00:01:15.500 --> 00:01:19.000 which run every third Friday of the month from 7 till 8 p.m., 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:22.000 we are both licensed medical herbalists who train in England 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:24.500 and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:01:24.500 --> 00:01:28.500 We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions, 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:32.000 and we manufacture all our own certified organic herbal extracts, 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.000 which are either grown on our CCF certified herb farm 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.000 or which are sourced from other USA certified organic suppliers. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.500 So you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD-Garboville, 91.1 FM, 00:01:42.500 --> 00:01:45.500 and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, 00:01:45.500 --> 00:01:49.500 you're invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated 00:01:49.500 --> 00:01:53.000 to this month's mixed topic of hormone replacement therapy, 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.000 estrogen, along with the inflammatory effects of estrogen, 00:01:56.000 --> 00:02:02.500 as well as some other popularly accepted hormones like serotonin, melatonin, and 5-HTP, 00:02:02.500 --> 00:02:07.000 so we can discuss the roles of those particular materials in our bodies 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.500 and why they're not actually that good for us. 00:02:09.500 --> 00:02:13.000 So once again, we're very pleased to be joined by Dr. Ray Peat, 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:16.500 who will be sharing his research and knowledge surrounding these topics. 00:02:16.500 --> 00:02:20.000 The number here if you live in the area is 923 3911, 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.500 or if you live outside the area, the toll-free number is 1800 KMUD RAD. 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:27.500 That's 1-800-568-3723. 00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:31.500 We can also be reached toll-free on 1-888-WBM-ERB 00:02:31.500 --> 00:02:35.000 for further questions during normal business hours Monday through Friday. 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:39.000 So science, whilst responsible for many excellent breakthroughs, 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:43.500 is unfortunately subject to the same scandals that beset many excellent thoughts. 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:46.500 Whilst studying physiology myself, I, like many others, 00:02:46.500 --> 00:02:50.500 was subject to what I now understand as an indoctrination, if you will, 00:02:50.500 --> 00:02:53.500 into an erroneous state of pseudo-fact, 00:02:53.500 --> 00:02:58.500 and that one of those things was the receptor model used in physiology, 00:02:58.500 --> 00:03:00.500 with one particular hormone, namely estrogen, 00:03:00.500 --> 00:03:05.000 which will be the subject partly, at least of tonight's discussion with Dr. Peat, 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:09.500 this being a perpetrator of much deceit on the behalf of a big pharma. 00:03:09.500 --> 00:03:14.500 Why was HRT so promoted and how did the truth behind estrogen effects get so covered up? 00:03:14.500 --> 00:03:19.500 Well, this question and many other answers will be opened up in tonight's Ask Your Herb Doctor, 00:03:19.500 --> 00:03:24.000 including the facts surrounding the melatonin, serotonin, 5-HT craze. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.000 So thank you once again, Dr. Peat, for joining us on the show. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.000 OK. 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.500 Again, as always, we always get comments from people after the show. 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:37.000 I know a lot of people that listen to the show have either emailed us or contacted us 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.000 regarding information that you've been sharing 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:45.000 and how they can get hold of more information so they can be a little bit better informed. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:50.500 Now, as usual, some people will have tuned into the show and maybe have never heard of you. 00:03:50.500 --> 00:03:54.000 Would you just open up with your background, your scientific background? 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.500 OK. As a kid, I was interested in science. 00:03:57.500 --> 00:04:01.500 I would read old medical books and encyclopedias and such, 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:08.000 and I very early got the impression that education was largely indoctrination. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:15.000 I found that literature as an undergraduate was a field where I could see the actual evidence, 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:20.000 the material that we were studying without interpretation of the professors. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:26.000 So it was years and years later that I finally decided to go to graduate school in science 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:31.500 and I realized that I could get through it without having to fight with the professors. 00:04:31.500 --> 00:04:35.000 I could just be quiet and do what I wanted to do. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.500 So I enrolled at the University of Oregon in the biology department, 00:04:39.500 --> 00:04:43.500 starting as specializing in nerve biology. 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:50.000 I was interested in how the brain could do things like handling language and images and such, 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:58.500 and I saw that the whole direction of the brain biology was towards a very reductionist computer analogy. 00:04:58.500 --> 00:05:03.000 And looking around the department, I saw that the other end of the organism, 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:07.500 the reproductive physiology, was much more scientific, 00:05:07.500 --> 00:05:11.000 and so I shifted over to that specialization. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.500 My professor, if I would get unusual results, would say, 00:05:15.500 --> 00:05:18.000 "Well, if it's repeatable, just go ahead." 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:24.000 And the nerve biology section, if the results or the interpretation were a little off, 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.000 you had to throw away the evidence. 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:27.500 Okay. 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:31.000 Okay, well, that word "indoctrination" I think is a very good point to, 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.500 a very good place rather to start tonight's expose. 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:40.500 I know the, gosh, the scandal surrounding HRT that was kind of revealed, as it were, 00:05:40.500 --> 00:05:43.000 mainstream not too long ago. 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.500 It is a very good place to begin tonight's talk. 00:05:46.500 --> 00:05:52.500 In terms of indoctrination and the models that were so popular then, and probably still are now, 00:05:52.500 --> 00:05:58.000 when I was studying the whole receptor-ligand interaction was dogmatic, 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:04.000 and a particular compound elicited a particular effect when it was bound to an enzyme or to a cell. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.000 Surrounding estrogen, the estrogen receptor, 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:13.000 you actually have a very good understanding of the background enzymatically, 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.000 how it was before it was taken over by, 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.000 and unfortunately, I know it sounds, it's another conspiracy, as it were, 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:25.000 but it's the truth in terms of pre-1940s with the enzyme, 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:30.000 the people studying enzyme interactions were then effectively taken over by Big Pharma 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.000 and corporate manufacture for want of increase from their products. 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.000 And the whole estrogen receptor is a bit of a non-entity, I understand. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:45.000 Yeah, it was 1970 when I was working on my dissertation, 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:50.000 and I was studying the metabolism of the uterus in aging animals 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.000 and trying to understand why in middle age infertility came about. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.000 And the particular metabolic studies that I was doing 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:04.000 corresponded to increased estrogenic stimulation with aging. 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:11.000 And that led me, since all of the current textbooks in the 1960s were saying that 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:17.000 menopause is when the ovaries wear out and stop producing estrogen. 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:23.000 So I read way back to about 1900 and to the 1940s and '50s, 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:29.000 and I saw there was a sudden change in 1942 all through the 1930s 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.000 when my thesis advisor was a student into the 1940s. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.000 His thesis advisor was Richard Blandau, 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:42.000 who was later at the University of Washington Medical School. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:48.000 And Soderwald and Blandau were among the people who were studying 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.000 the effects of excess estrogen on the uterus, 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:56.000 and they showed that if you gave a greater dose, 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:00.000 increasing amounts of estrogen caused miscarriage at earlier, 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:05.000 and the smallest dose would cause miscarriage at a very early stage. 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:10.000 And if you waited until very late in the pregnancy, it would take a bigger dose, 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:15.000 but it was a very continuous-graded effect in which the estrogen flight excess 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:19.000 would be sufficient to kill the developing embryo. 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:24.000 And this was going on all through the late 1930s into the 1940s, 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:29.000 and the hormones of the ovary were identified in the mid-1930s 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:35.000 as the very major substance produced in the ovary was progesterone, 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.000 and estrogen was a minor substance. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:43.000 But it turned out that other people doing research on how estrogen worked at this time 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:50.000 saw that soot, just put a spoon in a candle flame and then extract it in a solvent, 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:56.000 you could get hundreds of different estrogenic substances out of just soot. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.000 And this was wonderful for the drug industries because everyone could find an estrogen patent, 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.000 but there was only one natural progesterone, 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:09.000 and so that was not a viable drug because no one had a patent on it. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:17.000 So by 1942, the 13 major estrogen companies had their synthetic estrogens, 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:23.000 and the situation scientifically was that estrogen caused infertility. 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.000 It was associated with aging. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:29.000 But since they had product, they said, "Here we have the female hormone, 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:33.000 and being female means being able to have babies, 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.000 and so estrogen must be what causes women to have babies." 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:44.000 And they wanted to sell it for some popular use so they could sell it to millions of women, 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:48.000 and they came up with the idea that it would prevent miscarriage, 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.000 even though the science said the opposite. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.000 And they got a team, man and wife at Harvard, 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.000 who promoted the idea of the diethylstilbestrol, D-E-S. 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.000 D-E-S, which is awful. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.000 Yeah, that it would prevent miscarriages, 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:08.000 and so they were prescribing it for years to women to prevent miscarriage 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:11.000 and to make a healthier baby and so on. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:16.000 And it turned out, well, probably they never would have had to stop selling it, 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:20.000 even though it was causing cancer and deformity. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:25.000 About the same time it was getting recognized that D-E-S causes cancer 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:29.000 and doesn't prevent miscarriage but actually increases the risk, 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:34.000 they were getting interested in a new product to sell to even more women, 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:35.000 the birth control pill. 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:41.000 When they decided that the time was right in the 1940s, 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.000 they didn't want their drug company known as the abortion producer. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:50.000 By 1959 or '60, abortion was becoming-- 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:56.000 contraception was becoming acceptable, but still abortion was a taboo. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:00.000 So they invented a story saying that if you take estrogen, 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:06.000 it will suppress your body's estrogen and prevent miscarriage by lowering your estrogen. 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:12.000 And so they came out with the contraceptive so-called abortion pill 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:17.000 just as it was recognized that D-E-S was causing miscarriages and cancer. 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:23.000 So they lost one product but immediately came out with another falsified story 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.000 to sell the birth control pill. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:30.000 In terms of the dogma behind receptor physiology, 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:37.000 what is the truth behind whether or not estrogen binds to a specific receptor 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:41.000 and the lies surrounding the so-called science that was produced 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.000 in order to support the estrogen industry? 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:49.000 These people who were doing the real science were trying to explain 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.000 why estrogen had these toxic effects 00:11:52.000 --> 00:12:00.000 and they found that natural estrogen was imitated by these polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in soot, 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.000 which were famous and recognized as carcinogens, 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.000 and estrogen was known to be carcinogenic. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.000 And so they were studying the properties of soot and estrogens 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:14.000 and finding that given estrogenic properties, 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:19.000 the substance was also tended to produce inflammation and cancer, 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:24.000 a very close association electronically in the nature of the molecule. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:29.000 And these were activating enzyme systems in particular ways 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:34.000 according to the exact nature of that inflammatory carcinogenic, 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.000 estrogenic electronic configuration. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.000 And this was reaching a peak in the 1950s 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:47.000 and the government moved some of their investments from chemical warfare 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:49.000 to endocrine research. 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:56.000 The opinion of many people is that the intention was to use it for population control. 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:01.000 The Nazis had been using estrogen on people in slave camps and such, 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:06.000 but the U.S. government got very interested in estrogen after the Second World War 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:11.000 and they gave a big grant to a group who-- 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:17.000 it's an ongoing tradition of a group associated with the University of Chicago, 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:23.000 Michigan, and Lawrence Livermore Radiation Lab and UC Berkeley. 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:29.000 The project that was funded, or Elwood Jensen was the leader of it, 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.000 he had been working in chemical warfare 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:36.000 and wanted to create a new idea for how estrogen worked 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.000 that would not involve all of this interesting chemistry 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:47.000 which explained why estrogen was a very intense toxin, carcinogen. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:52.000 He wanted to say that all it does is activate the female genes 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:57.000 that women are characterized by having a uterus and breast, 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:02.000 and the function of these is governed by their genes, their female genes, 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:08.000 and these genes are activated in their particular organs by estrogen 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:13.000 and somehow turning a switch that would only activate those female genes 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.000 and not involve all of this nasty chemistry of cancer and inflammation. 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.000 But they knew that soot caused cancer in the late 1800s from the chimney sweep. 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.000 But that was exactly what Jensen wanted people to forget 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.000 by saying just forget all of this enzymology and chemistry 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.000 that people have been working on, 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:38.000 and in such elegant ways showed the similarities of the carcinogens and estrogens. 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:42.000 But he wanted to say that it's like a lock and key. 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.000 The female organs have a very specific lock, 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.000 and the estrogen is a key that sticks only into that lock. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:53.000 Estrogen receptors are now known to be found all throughout the body, right? 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.000 And in men. 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.000 And in men. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.000 Yeah, there you go. 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:03.000 But no one was--at that time, the real science was thinking of the whole cell 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:08.000 and the whole organism as the responsive unit to things like estrogen. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:15.000 But Elwood Jensen would--he was arguing that there was just one little switch molecule in the cell 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:20.000 which would neatly turn on only the female genes, 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:24.000 and so it wouldn't have the possibility of any of these other actions. 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:30.000 The Defense Department funded--well, Atomic Energy Commission gave him permission 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.000 to use a radioactive isotope and supplied the isotopes. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:40.000 And other labs, his competition didn't have either the grants or the isotope. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.000 They were very tightly controlled by the Atomic Energy Commission, 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:50.000 and he labeled estrogen and found that it concentrated in organs like the uterus. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:58.000 And since the enzymologists were saying that it affects the whole energy system of the organism and the cell, 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:05.000 changing the oxidation reduction processes and participating in the chemistry of the cell, 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.000 he labeled two different kinds of estrogen, what labels in two different places, 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:16.000 and added them to the uterine tissue and said that there was no interchange between the two. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.000 There were no oxidative reactions in which estrogen participated, 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:27.000 and he published that, I think it was 1962, and the enzymologists had been-- 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.000 the whole thing was based on estrogen participating as a chemical reactant, 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.000 and he had the only means by which to demonstrate what he claimed, 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:42.000 so his opponents didn't have the grants or the isotopes to challenge that. 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.000 To disprove it, because the research up until that point had been showing that estrogen causes cancer, 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:52.000 but the drug companies after 1942 wanted to sell the oral contraceptive pill, 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:57.000 they wanted to sell DES, which is known to have caused cancer for generations later 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:01.000 in the babies of the mothers who took it, and now HRT. 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:05.000 So we're talking about three different majorly used drugs. 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.000 They knew caused cancer, and doctors are still prescribing them today. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:14.000 And some of the particular enzymes involved in cancer and estrogen function 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.000 were well known to the enzymologists, but Elwood Jensen's group said, 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:25.000 "No, they don't use the fancy isotope demonstration to say, no, they don't participate. 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.000 They're not oxidized and reduced." 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:35.000 Ten or 15 years later, after the receptor dogma had been imposed on the world of biology, 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:42.000 other people started using isotopes and showing that, yes, the older enzymologists were exactly right. 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:46.000 Estrogen does participate as a catalyst in enzyme reactions, 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:54.000 especially transhydrogenation reactions that connect energy production to gene turnover and cell growth and so on. 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:56.000 So that's how it initiates cancer cells? 00:17:56.000 --> 00:18:03.000 Yeah. It allows the energy to be short-circuited over into the growth rather than the function mechanism. 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.000 So the cell stops functioning and doing its normal cellular functioning, 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:11.000 and just the estrogen turns on the cell growth processes. 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.000 Yeah. It drains the energy right out of function into growth. 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:16.000 Very scary. 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:21.000 Okay, one sec. You're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMED Galbraithville 91.1 FM. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:25.000 From 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you're invited to call in with any questions, 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:32.000 either related or unrelated to this month's topic or mixed topics of estrogen, DHT, serotonin, 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:38.000 and those hormones that are particularly bandied around by doctors and the mainstream as being helpful and beneficial, 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:42.000 when in fact the science is there quite clearly to state the opposite. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:48.000 And we are very privileged to be joined by Dr. Raymond Peat, who has many years of research under his belt, 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.000 to just tell us all about it. 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:56.000 So, Dr. Peat, again, I'm interested about the... because I know that I've mentioned this in the past, 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.000 and I think you brought it up on one of the previous shows, about water. 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:03.000 Water, H2O as we know it, is not just straightforward water. 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:10.000 And I read some alchemical treaties about the way they would capture lightning water, 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:17.000 or water that was subjected to fallout during storms, and how this water was energetically more active. 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:21.000 And actually, modern science has shown that H2O exists in many different states, 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:28.000 and there is a very different mechanism by which water can act cellulally or intracellularly. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.000 And I'm interested, from a point of view of what we're talking about now, 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:40.000 with estrogen involved in redox reactions, how that actually comes out in terms of its cancer-promoting. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:48.000 Well, the fastest change that you can see in a cell within a minute or two of exposing it to estrogen 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.000 is that it just instantly starts taking up water. 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:56.000 And as it takes up water, the water gets out of the cell's control. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:00.000 And that's part of this short-circuiting the energy process. 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:08.000 The microtubules that are an organizing force in the cell that lets it do the work it's supposed to, 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:13.000 these are depolymerized in the presence of estrogen and disorganized. 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:19.000 And that's part of the cancer problem, that the cell can't communicate from one part to the other 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.000 because the microtubules are messed up. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:28.000 And the division process even can reach the point where it can't separate the chromosomes evenly, 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:34.000 and then you get imbalance of chromosomes, making the cancer degenerate. 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:43.000 The water is normally under control of adjoining surfaces, so that it's very unlike bulk water, 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:47.000 but in the presence of estrogen, it becomes bulk-like. 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:53.000 So that one of my experiments at the university was to put an old uterus, a young uterus, 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:57.000 and an estrogen-treated uterus in an MRI machine. 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:06.000 And we could show that the old uterus and the estrogen-treated uterus had loose water, disorganized water, 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.000 could be distinguished from the young, healthy uterus. 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:15.000 Interesting. Okay. It's coming up close to 7.30, so I just want to let people know that from any time on, 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.000 people are welcome to call in with questions related or unrelated to this month's show. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:25.000 So far as other hormones are concerned, the whole hormone replacement therapy, 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:35.000 just give me your opinion of the HRT's effects and why it was eventually taken out. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:36.000 Well, when the-- 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:38.000 Well, it's still not taken out. People still-- 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.000 In England, there's a lot of-- 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.000 It's not as popular. 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:43.000 Yeah, in England, there's a big backlash against it. 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:50.000 The industry succeeded so greatly in turning science completely upside down in the case of estrogen. 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.000 That took a lot of other hormones with it. 00:21:53.000 --> 00:22:00.000 Progesterone was suppressed and ignored because it would cure the things that estrogen was claimed to cure, 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.000 and actually caused. 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:03.000 And it couldn't be patented, as you said. 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:10.000 Yeah. And prolactin had many toxic effects that were well-recognized. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:16.000 But since estrogen increases prolactin, there was a great pressure not to think very much about what it means 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:21.000 that prolactin causes bone loss and contributes to osteoporosis. 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:26.000 It wasn't popular to think of the fact that estrogen increases prolactin. 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:34.000 And serotonin is another thing that has been strongly influenced by this inverted interpretation of estrogen 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:38.000 because estrogen increases exposure to serotonin. 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:43.000 Serotonin is one of the means by which estrogen increases prolactin. 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:49.000 And serotonin does many of the harmful things that estrogen and prolactin do, 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.000 including a direct cause of bone loss. 00:22:52.000 --> 00:23:01.000 People who take the fluoxetine type of antidepressants are seen to have a lot of premature bone loss 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:06.000 because of the excess exposure to serotonin and the associated prolactin. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:12.000 And serotonin is, in a way, kind of a cofactor for estrogen. 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:21.000 Estrogen increases serotonin systemically, and serotonin, in turn, increases the production of estrogen. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:25.000 So when one gets out of control, they both tend to become dominant. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:30.000 And serotonin is involved in the inflammations produced by estrogen. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.000 Well, we're all told that serotonin is the feel-good hormone and-- 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.000 They give you SSRIs, I mean-- 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:41.000 Yeah, they give you antidepressant-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors so you can feel better. 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.000 So it's more present in the circulation. 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:48.000 And so it's just the same brainwashing they're trying to do to us like they did with the estrogen, 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:52.000 saying estrogen prevents bone loss when actually it causes bone loss. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:57.000 So serotonin helps your depression and, in fact, has all these negative side effects of increased bone loss, 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:02.000 increased estrogen levels, increased risk of cancer. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:11.000 Yeah, one of the currently bad effects of serotonin excess that is getting some recognition, 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:20.000 even though in the 1950s all of the bad features of serotonin were recognized in a disease involving tumors in the intestine 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.000 that produced too much serotonin. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:32.000 But in just the last two or three years, the hypertension of the pulmonary artery is being seen to be caused by serotonin. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.000 And the drugs that increase serotonin increase this pulmonary hypertension 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:41.000 and degeneration of the valves in the right side of the heart. 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:49.000 This was known in the 1950s as the main deadly complication of having that serotonin-producing tumor. 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:59.000 But finally, 60 years later, it's being recognized as a way to treat pulmonary hypertension by using antiserotonin drugs. 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:01.000 Okay, we do actually have a caller on the line, Dr. Peat. 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.000 Yes, I sometimes have a tendency toward depression, 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:12.000 and I like to do more natural things when I can and stay away from the hard drugs when I can. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:15.000 So I resisted trying to go after Prozac or any of that. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:21.000 But I was told by some nature doctors to try 5-HTP. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.000 As a matter of fact, I was told by another couple of people that I inquired that had depression, 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:30.000 and they said that this 5-HTP was something natural that would help you use your own serotonin better 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.000 and be more like kind of a natural Prozac. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:38.000 Now, are you telling me that that is not good for you, that that's going to make you either make more-- 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:42.000 does it help you make more serotonin or utilize what you have better? 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:50.000 The Prozac-type drugs keep the platelets and nerve cells from binding and keeping serotonin out of the way, 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.000 and so they lead to overexposure to the serotonin. 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:56.000 Are you familiar with 5-HTP? 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.000 That's what you get at the health food store. 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.000 That's supposed to be like an amino acid or-- 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:09.000 Yes, plain tryptophan is bad enough, but the 5-hydroxy tryptophan is one step closer to being serotonin. 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.000 So you think that it's not good for me to take it? 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:20.000 Everything that I know suggests that, for example, there's increased risk of breast cancer and obesity and many bad effects. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.000 How can it increase obesity? 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.000 By slowing metabolism and suppressing thyroid motion. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.000 5-HTP does that? 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.000 The antidepressants? 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:35.000 Well, no, I don't mean like Prozac. I'm just talking about 5-HTP, the amino acid, the tryptophan. 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:41.000 It hasn't been studied as much as the antidepressants, but it works to raise your serotonin. 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.000 It's basically providing you the precursor in your body makes more serotonin out of it. 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:52.000 So the effects of serotonin in excess are going to be increasing estrogen, which slows your liver's metabolism. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.000 That can slow your thyroid down. That can lead to obesity. 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.000 By increasing estrogen, it can promote cancer. 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:01.000 I guess it says it elevates your mood. 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:07.000 Well, you have to weigh it up. It might elevate your mood, but you also risk these other things. 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.000 I mean, they used to give x-rays to help with psoriasis and rheumatoid arthritis. 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.000 Oh, whoops-a-daisy. Sorry you got cancer. 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:19.000 My aunt had a lot of x-ray treatment for her acne on her back, and she had a terrible form of breast cancer, 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.000 which turned into bone cancer, and she died at the age of 50. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:28.000 Well, I certainly don't want to slow my metabolism or my thyroid down or any of that. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:36.000 I've done with the menopause thing, so I figure my estrogen has balanced itself out, and I've never taken the replacement. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:42.000 It seems like he's not talking about how it became so outrageously popular for women with menopause. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:47.000 The little pink pills, the HRT, the hormone replacement therapy that everybody was taking 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:55.000 because they didn't like having hot flashes and other things that would move the swings and menopause symptoms. 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:01.000 My approach was that it was a natural occurrence, and so it didn't really need to be medically changed. 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:06.000 I just didn't feel I had a symptom that was bad enough that I needed medical intervention. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:10.000 Maybe I was just lucky and I had mild symptoms, although I did have a lot of hot flashes. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:18.000 But it was only in the last maybe four or five years that it's been suggested that I take this 5-HTP as if it was like Congress. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:27.000 I don't need to increase my serotonin if it's going to slow down my thyroid and up my estrogen and be bad for my heart valve. 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:28.000 That's right. 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:33.000 So that's all the things that she said it did, right? 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:40.000 Yeah, and it's not, again, because Dr. Peat has spent his life researching things and doing research on even the articles, 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.000 "Is this faulty science? Is this promoted by a drug company who did this research?" 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.000 When he says that, it's not him saying that as though it's his own opinion. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:53.000 He's adopted that opinion from researching the evidence of what causes it. 00:28:53.000 --> 00:29:01.000 I just want to say again that I'm not talking about the Prozac or the Zoloft or the PaxMillips, the pharmaceutical serotonin drugs. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:09.000 I'm specifically talking about 5-HTP, which you get at the health food store, where it seems like it's this benign thing that can't hurt you. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.000 No, it's not benign. 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:17.000 It's all part of the same system. Yes, Prozac might increase your serotonin to a much higher degree than taking 5-HTP, 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.000 but it's all working on that same system. 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:25.000 If a little bit is that the body naturally produces in the bowel because your bowel will naturally produce the serotonin, 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:34.000 if a little bit is stimulating inflammation and degeneration, then you wouldn't want to increase that even through natural means. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:40.000 Yes, so I should probably do without it and see if my food is okay anyway and just have a stiff upper lip, right? 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:42.000 Yes, it sounds like a good idea. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.000 All right, thank you. 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.000 Thank you. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:57.000 I think unfortunately what comes out time and time again is that the short term is certainly not worth the price of the long term sequelae of disease processes. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:04.000 And I think most people, I think us all included, we only really see the short term unless we delve into the facts. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.000 It's just like with fish oils in people's inflammation. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:14.000 It can relieve inflammation to some degree, but you also run the risk of suppressing your immune system and damaging your liver in the meantime. 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.000 So it's a risk to ratio. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:21.000 I think what gets brought out more and more is that the long term risks are certainly very evident, very prevalent, 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:27.000 and that people, what we're doing here with this show and other previous shows is just highlighting the long term risks. 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:36.000 And so unfortunately, most people don't understand the long term risks and only the short term gain is, I think, what fuels most people's desires to be on certain drugs. 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.000 But there is a lot of long term risk associated with it. 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:45.000 And I think Dr. Peat's doing an excellent job of bringing these facts out because it's already there in terms of science articles. 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.000 Okay, there's two more callers on the line. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:48.000 Hello. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:49.000 Hi, you're on the air. 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:50.000 Hi, Dr. Peat. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.000 This is wonderful. 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:58.000 I've talked to you before and I've gotten completely off of my serotonin reuptake inhibitors. 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:03.000 And I wanted to say that I read a bunch of articles on your site. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:17.000 And I have to tell you that one effect of stopping taking these Prozac and these serotonin things is that I've now been able to stop taking, using steroids in an inhaler. 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.000 My asthma has gone away completely. 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:20.000 All right, well done. 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:29.000 And I just wanted to make sure that I read your website right because I think you said there that it does relate, serotonin does relate to asthma. 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.000 And nobody ever told me that, but I'm completely off my inhaler. 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.000 And it's only been a month. 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.000 So I just wanted to tell you that and ask a question about that. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.000 Yeah, it does several things related to asthma. 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.000 Estrogen is related to asthma too. 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:58.000 And the effect of the serotonin is to cause localized contraction of the tubes in your lungs as well as causing them to take up water and promote some inflammation. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:02.000 But the contraction is the thing that's best studied in connection with asthma. 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:03.000 Well, thank you so much. 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:09.000 That's really interesting because it went away within like four weeks. 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:12.000 I was off of the -- I wasn't having the breathing problems. 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:17.000 I just -- the first few -- the first week or so, I coughed up a lot of liquid. 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.000 But then after that, it just quit. 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.000 So anyway, thank you very much, and I'm going to keep reading your website for articles. 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:24.000 Thank you. 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.000 Great. 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.000 You coughed out the asthma. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.000 I don't know what I coughed out, but I just -- I coughed up a lot of fluid for like a week. 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:36.000 But after that, it just cleared up, and I stopped using the inhaler, and I'm not using it anymore. 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.000 And I'm just really grateful. 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:38.000 Yeah, fantastic news. 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:46.000 Getting off the serotonin was painful, but after I'm -- you know, I'm off of it now for almost two months. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.000 So I have to be -- I'm very grateful. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.000 So thank you for the information. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.000 Thank you for your call. 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.000 Good. 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:53.000 Well, there we go. 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.000 That's another glaring example of what we hear frequently. 00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:00.000 So, yeah, if you want to listen to Dr. Peat, truth is out there if you open your ears. 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.000 Okay, there's another caller. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.000 Hey, hello. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:10.000 I came in a little bit late to the discussion, but I haven't really heard mention of the three different types of estrogen in our bodies. 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.000 They have a hugely disparate impact on our bodies, and I think that that's really germane to this conversation. 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.000 So please inform us of that. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.000 Sure. 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:28.000 There are probably a dozen important types of estrogen, but almost all of them, the three main types, estriol, estrone, and estradiol, 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:31.000 those are the best known and have been used as drugs. 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:42.000 Those all have pretty much the same effects but just at different potencies so that if you can turn your most potent estradiol into the others, 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:47.000 you're protected against some of the most toxic effects of estrogen. 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:54.000 During pregnancy, enzymes are detoxifying estrogen by many different routes. 00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:03.000 The index of a healthy pregnancy is when the estriol is high because that means you're destroying your estradiol very quickly. 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:11.000 So the estradiol is the most dangerous form, and that's usually what I recommend women have tested to make sure their most dangerous form is not too high. 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:18.000 And these different forms are exactly the issue that Elwood Jensen denied happened. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:30.000 He said estradiol can't turn into estrone and estriol, but in fact, that's a major way of either activating or inactivating estrogen according to the cells energy system. 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:36.000 So the only reason you'd want high estriol is because that would tell us that the estradiol is being detoxified, 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.000 not that high estriol in itself is protective in any way, shape, or form. 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.000 Yeah, it's about 10 times weaker than estrogen. 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:51.000 So every little bit of estradiol that you turn to estriol, it's a down stepping of your estrogen effect. 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.000 So I'm not sure that's the answer that lady was looking for. 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:56.000 Okay, well there's two more callers on the line. 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:57.000 So, you're on the air. 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.000 Hi, thank you so much for having me on the show. 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.000 It's really interesting. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:09.000 I had a question about modern birth control methods and your opinion of them in terms of how safe they are, 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:15.000 things such as pill or the Nubar ring, and just in terms of I know that those still have levels of estrogen, 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:21.000 and do you recommend those as safe contraceptives, or do you think that those are still dangerous to your health? 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.000 And I can take my question off the air. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:24.000 Thank you. 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:32.000 They tremendously decrease the amount of estrogen in the contraceptives, but if it's strong enough to kill the embryo, 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.000 it's strong enough to do some damage to the woman. 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:45.000 And about 30 years ago, there was quite a bit of agitation among women's groups for FDA approval of the traditional 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:55.000 cervical cap, which the ideal thing was made by a metal worker or a dentist with a metal casting outfit. 00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:01.000 They would use a dental mold making material to get an exact impression of the cervix, 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.000 and then they would cast silver or gold or some inactive metal in the shape of the cervix, 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:14.000 and it would form a vacuum seal, and it could be used -- could be left in place weeks at a time. 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:23.000 And under the pressure from the women's groups, the FDA gave its approval to a rubber so-called cervical cap, 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:31.000 which was actually shaped more like a baby bottle's nipple with a huge projection chamber on the end, 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:34.000 which was supposed to be filled with spermicidal goo, 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:42.000 and that immense structural projection caused it to almost instantly be displaced, 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.000 and so they were terribly unsuccessful. 00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.000 It was just like a way of inserting a spermicidal cream or jelly. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:56.000 But the FDA approved that but wouldn't approve the one that actually worked because -- 00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:01.000 I think it was because they were simply working for the contraceptive pill industry. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:09.000 And then as far as the IUD, they now have IUDs that have hormones that secrete a small amount of hormone inside the uterine cavity, 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:11.000 so that would be the similar situation. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:22.000 Yes, the signal from inside the uterus travels through nerves and other conduction up the fallopian tube to prevent the ovary 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.000 from producing the amount of progesterone that it should. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:32.000 So any kind of IUD, with or without hormones, will create a hormonal imbalance, 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:36.000 which is what is the main thing accounting for the prevention of pregnancy. 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:40.000 And then thereby increasing your estrogen and increasing risk of cancer. 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.000 Yes. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:47.000 So the one possible safe method of contraception would be the silver or the gold. 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:48.000 But they don't make those. 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.000 They don't make them. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.000 Is there anything else other than natural birth control? 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:54.000 Rhythm or method? 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:55.000 Yes. 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.000 Fertility awareness method? 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.000 Not too much else. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:02.000 Yes, I think the rhythm cycle method is the best. 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:03.000 Yes, good. 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:04.000 Okay, another caller. 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.000 I think there's two more. 00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.000 Hello, you're on the air. 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.000 Caller, are you there? 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.000 I think you have something playing in the background. 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.000 Well, I guess we don't have another caller here. 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:12.000 So the lines are open. 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:16.000 So give us a call at 923-3911 and we'll continue on with Dr. Peat. 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.000 Okay, that last call I guess is not there. 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.000 So Dr. Peat, going on to the other hormones that are... 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.000 We want to talk about melatonin. 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.000 We want to ask you... 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.000 Melatonin. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.000 What do you think of melatonin? 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.000 Well, it has its own endocrine problems. 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:34.000 It can disturb your progesterone and thyroid production if you take a lot of it. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:39.000 Its function seems to be as a way of detoxifying serotonin, 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:46.000 the trigger that turns the conversion in the pineal gland of serotonin into melatonin. 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.000 It's the adrenergic stress-related nerve. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.000 During the night, your stress increases from the lack of light, 00:38:53.000 --> 00:39:00.000 and the adrenergic system causes the pineal to convert serotonin to melatonin. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:07.000 In general, in various places, melatonin is functioning as an antidote to serotonin. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:14.000 So biologically, it's evidence that you're responding to stress with a detoxifying process. 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:19.000 And the similar enzymes exist in the pineal that are activated by the stress 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:24.000 can also be found in inflamed joint tissue and in breast cancer, for example. 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:30.000 And serotonin is involved in the pathology of both of those situations. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.000 And so if our enzymes could turn it more quickly into melatonin, 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.000 then there would be less of a serotonin problem. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000 But when people actually take melatonin-- 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:44.000 Sometimes it's probably protecting against the circulating serotonin, 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:49.000 but in itself, in an otherwise healthy person, for example, in the animal studies, 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:56.000 was capable of lowering both progesterone and thyroid while increasing estrogen. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:01.000 So in a short-term emergency situation, it could be okay, 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.000 but again, long-term, it's going to have negative side effects. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:10.000 Yeah, that depends probably on the person, but it's much safer than serotonin. 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.000 Okay. All right, well, we do have two more callers, 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.000 so we'll try to get through them if we can and see how we go. 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000 - You're on the air? - Yes. 00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.000 - Hi, you're on the air. - Hi. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.000 Yeah, I take a-- it's called Vagifem suppository, 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:27.000 and it's for dryness, but I just looked on the package, 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.000 and it says it's estradiol. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.000 So should I really worry about that? 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.000 Because I did have a problem with pretty dry-- 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.000 Okay. Dr. Peat, what would you-- 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.000 People have been studying who were using vaginal creams, for example, 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:49.000 and their blood level of estrogen was even higher than some of the oral pills were causing. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:53.000 So it's definitely a systemic hormonal influence, wherever you put it. 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:57.000 So obviously, if there's any familial-- even if there isn't a familial history, 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:02.000 but especially if there is a familial history of any estrogen cancers. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:07.000 So, Dr. Peat, what would you recommend to this lady to use in place of her suppository? 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:12.000 I've known several women who had pharmacists make them up suppositories 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:18.000 with a fairly high dose of vitamin A and a little vitamin E in cocoa butter 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.000 or other way of introducing it. 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:26.000 And the vitamin A helps to strengthen the membranes and normalize mucus production. 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.000 - Okay. - Okay, good. 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000 Well, that's a pretty-- 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.000 And in the meantime, if you can't find a pharmacist to make it-- 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.000 Yeah, you can do that yourself. 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.000 --vitamin A, palmitate, and vitamin E, you can buy those capsules and try that. 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.000 Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:40.000 Yeah, you're welcome. 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.000 It certainly sounds a lot safer than-- 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.000 - Yeah. - Yeah, what you were using. 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.000 Okay, good. There's another caller on the line. 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.000 - Hello? - Hi, you're near. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.000 Hi. What do you think of the bioidentical hormones in low dose? 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.000 - Very suspicious, Dr. Peat. - That come from wild yams and-- 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.000 Well, it depends which ones. Are they estrogen or are they progesterone? 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:03.000 Well, there are the three estrogens, but the estradiol is the lowest. 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.000 You know, they're compounded by Women's International Pharmacy, 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:11.000 but they're from soy and yam, wild yam. 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:12.000 And there's no progesterone in there? 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:18.000 And progesterone also from vegetable sources, 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:26.000 as opposed to the synthetic or the animal estrogens that pharmaceutical companies use. 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.000 So, Dr. Peat, what would you recommend to this lady? 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:32.000 Well, whether it's his opinion of the bioidentical hormones. 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.000 Well, all of the hormones that are bioidentical can have-- 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.000 they have to fit into the system in a balanced way. 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:48.000 And it's okay to have a physiological amount of any of these serotonin, estrogen, melatonin, and so on. 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.000 But when you supplement estrogen or serotonin, 00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:56.000 you're most likely increasing something that's already excessive. 00:42:56.000 --> 00:43:08.000 The doctrine of replacement with the natural hormones is building on the history of the estrogen replacement with synthetic hormones. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:16.000 And what they neglect is that as a woman ages from age 19 to 39, for example, 00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:21.000 there's a steady average increase in the amount of estrogen in her bloodstream, 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:26.000 as well as a fairly continuous amount of progesterone, which every cycle, 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:34.000 the estrogen is forced out of the cells all through the body by the rising large amount of progesterone. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:43.000 And in the 40s, progesterone production is no longer able to fully keep up with this steadily increasing estrogen production with aging. 00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:50.000 And as soon as estrogen-- as soon as progesterone decreases and can no longer force estrogen out of the cells, 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:56.000 the blood estrogen level will drop, but the estrogen inside the cells will increase. 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:02.000 Publications by some-- I think they're Norwegians, Batra and others, 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.000 and by Richard Blandau in University of Washington, 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:13.000 showed that the tissues of old organisms retain estrogen than the tissues of young animals. 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:22.000 And the fact that you don't find it in the blood is simply because estrogen sticks inside the cells in proportion to the deficiency of progesterone. 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.000 So that was probably the reason why they recommended it is because of low blood levels, 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.000 and so Dr. Peat's advice would be to not use it. 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:35.000 Okay. 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