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My name's Andrew Murray. 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.000 My name's Sarah Johannison Murray. 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:06.000 For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, which run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8pm, 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:12.000 we're both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:17.000 We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:24.000 and we manufacture all our own certified organic herb extracts, which are either grown on our CCUF certified herb farm 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:29.000 or which are sourced from other USA Organics certified organic suppliers. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:34.000 So you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor, KMU DeGarboville, 91.1 FM, 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:41.000 and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you're all invited to call in with any questions, 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:49.000 either related or unrelated to this month's topic, a mixed topic of endotoxin, stress and depression, 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:52.000 and how the body is affected physiologically. 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:57.000 And we're very pleased to have Dr. Raymond Peat join us on the show this evening. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:05.000 And like I said, from 7.30, or in fact, if people want to call a little earlier than that, if they have pressing questions, 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:13.000 yeah, please do phone up and Dr. Peat's available with his collective wisdom to answer questions on many different subjects, 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:18.000 maybe not just pertinent to this evening's discussion on endotoxin and stress. 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:21.000 So Dr. Peat, thank you for joining us again this evening. 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Yeah, hi. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:30.000 As always, there's people I'm sure who've just tuned in now who maybe never heard the show and never heard you. 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.000 Would you be able to let people know your specific interests and your professional academic background? 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.000 Yeah, I studied biology at the University of Oregon, 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:52.000 and my dissertation was on aging of the oxidative processes in relation to reproduction 00:03:52.000 --> 00:04:03.000 and how the hormones change with aging and affect the efficiency of oxidative metabolism. 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:18.000 And the main hormones that I've studied over the years have related directly to estrogen, progesterone and thyroid, 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:25.000 and the nutritional and environmental factors that influence those 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:38.000 and how all of the minor hormones and signaling substances in the body are interrelated between the environment 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:44.000 and those hormones and the respiratory energy production. 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.000 Okay, thank you for that. 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:55.000 So if people want to call in, the number here is KMUD 923-3911, the area code 707. 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:59.000 And so from 7.30 to the end of the show at 8 o'clock, people are welcome to call in. 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:06.000 Now, Dr. Peat, I know that you have a rather unique view of physiology and biology, 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:13.000 which is different somewhat to the scientific -- we'll call it the regular scientific, 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.000 because I know your methodology is very scientific. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:22.000 But the regular biological community and the way that they've done their research 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.000 or their research has been funded by various organizations 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:36.000 has led them to be a little bit inaccurate in their perceptions of how cellular or biological systems are operating. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:43.000 In terms of the body, I think probably what we want to try and go through this evening 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:51.000 are just to reiterate some of the problems associated with the modern diet, modern nutrition, 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.000 how we've been misled into believing that certain things are good for us. 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.000 And I know we're going to talk about serotonin this evening. 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:06.000 But in terms of what you've been researching, what you found out, what you've applied, 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.000 will you tell us a little bit about serotonin's effects? 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:15.000 Because I think most people would associate serotonin with something positive, and I know that it's not. 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:21.000 Yeah, since about the Second World War, 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:28.000 biology has been heavily influenced by several factors. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:37.000 The agricultural industry is interested in promoting certain ideas towards food. 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:48.000 The pharmaceutical industry is promoting a very mechanical reductionist interpretation of health in general 00:06:48.000 --> 00:07:00.000 based on the idea of receptors and genetic interaction with specific hormones and receptors and drugs. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:15.000 And then there's the government and military orientation that has its commitment to certain kinds of psychology and science, 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:27.000 promoting, again, the reductionist, anti-holistic, anti-pattern-oriented kind of science. 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:38.000 So that's why our agricultural USDA recommended daily intake of refined carbohydrates or, you know, 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:42.000 breads and pastas and those types of foods. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.000 And that was six to seven servings per day, and that was the bottom of the triangle. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:52.000 And you can see that they are actually having their effect. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:08:02.000 In the last 35 years, the consumption of flour and cereals, pasta and so on, has increased by 3 percent, 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:06.000 just as the agriculture department put in their triangle. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:10.000 It should be a fat bottom on the triangle. 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:17.000 So they've influenced -- the agriculture area has influenced the government's recommended daily intake, 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:26.000 where if you look at diets from 80 to 100 years ago, the grains were not such a major part of the diet. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:33.000 Yeah, and in these last 35 years, well, cereals and fats have increased. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.000 Cereals are up 3 percent. Fats are up 7 percent. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:43.000 During that time, meat, eggs, and dairy have decreased 3 percent, 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:49.000 and added sugar has even decreased 1 percent in these 35 years. 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:58.000 And where many people think that nutrition research should be exploratory, 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:08.000 looking for new ways that foods interact with the newly discovered biological possibilities, 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:15.000 the financing is heavily towards industrial food products as nutrients, 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:24.000 rather than exploring, for example, the thousands of fruits and vegetables that grow in the tropics. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:31.000 Right. Well, our country doesn't grow those, so therefore we shouldn't eat them and shouldn't -- 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.000 Shouldn't eat them. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:38.000 Yeah, that happens with the coconut oil industry, which was used widely in products, 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:46.000 Oreo cookies and fried foods and so on from about the 1850s on. 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:55.000 When the soy oil got tired of competition, they put out tremendous propaganda starting 20 years ago 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.000 saying that the tropical oils were poisonous. 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:05.000 And what they did was increase the consumption of their unsaturated fats. 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.000 And now heart disease and high cholesterol and -- 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:14.000 Yeah, and obesity related to high blood pressure, cancer, and dementia. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.000 And diabetes have all been on the increase. 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:23.000 Yeah, and these are known to be increased by unsaturated fats and cereals and starches, 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:28.000 exactly the things the government has promoted. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:33.000 Well, hopefully a lot of our listeners don't listen to what the government promotes around here anyways. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.000 I think they don't. 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.000 Okay, getting back to serotonin, Dr. Peat, like I said, 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.000 I think most people think mistakenly that serotonin is good for you, 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:49.000 and they said people have constantly in the past asked us about serotonin 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:53.000 and that it would be good for sleep and good for this and good for that. 00:10:53.000 --> 00:11:00.000 What's the truth behind serotonin so people can realize what they've been doing or what they need to stop? 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:10.000 Well, an example of how confused the promotion has been is that one of the major antidepressants 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:18.000 that's called a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor that supposedly acts by increasing serotonin, 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:24.000 they knew that it was a good effective treatment for vicious dogs, 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:29.000 and they said that that's because it increases their serotonin. 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:37.000 But people studying the dogs after a month of treatment with this SSRI found that, in fact, 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:44.000 they were less vicious and their serotonin had gone down significantly. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:48.000 So it didn't increase their serotonin, it actually decreased their serotonin. 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:57.000 Yeah, I think the antidepressants that work are actually in the long run shifting the balance away from serotonin. 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:01.000 But it doesn't matter now because the perception is out that serotonin is the good guy 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:06.000 and you take these antidepressants and it increases the good guy and you feel better. 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:17.000 Yeah, over the last 40 years, there have been many papers published showing that, 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:26.000 starting back with the LSD research, they saw that LSD counteracted the effects of serotonin on smooth muscle, 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:35.000 and then finally they showed an antagonistic effect where it inhibits the serotonin nerves in the brain. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:44.000 So every place that they checked its function as an actual antidote to serotonin, 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:52.000 it was opposing serotonin and was improving functions such as learning ability, 00:12:52.000 --> 00:13:02.000 many physical symptoms, anti-tumor and anti-inflammatory, many good health functions. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:11.000 But because of the government campaign against LSD type drugs, 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:21.000 the drug companies came out with some modified forms of lysergic acid such as bromocriptine and lisuride 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:26.000 and some anti-serotonin drugs that were known to lower serotonin, 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:37.000 but they advertised them as pro-dopamine drugs rather than anti-serotonin or even anti-histamine, 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:43.000 in the case of one which was really primarily an anti-serotonin drug. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:54.000 But they took advantage of the government campaign against the anti-serotonin drugs 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:00.000 to say that the psychedelic drugs made people insane, 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:10.000 and so they started promoting the idea that their drugs would make people sane and happy by increasing serotonin. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.000 So that's how it began. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.000 I know you've mentioned, and if you could just explain a little bit again to our listeners, 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:24.000 I know you've mentioned the fact that serotonin primarily is produced in the bowel. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.000 Yes, it's a defensive chemical everywhere. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:34.000 It's one of the primitive protective reactions, for example, in the bowel. 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:40.000 It causes spasms that clean out the bowel when you eat something poisonous, 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:44.000 and so it causes diarrhea and that's protective. 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:52.000 But in the process, if it keeps up too long, it increases the serotonin, 00:14:52.000 --> 00:15:02.000 95% of it being produced in the bowel and only 3%, 4%, or 5% in other organs such as the brain. 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:17.000 If the irritation of the bowel keeps up very long, the circulation in the bloodstream becomes a problem systemically, 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:24.000 and it will cause vascular spasms, vascular leakiness, inflammation. 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:35.000 For example, when you have prolonged irritation of the intestine, tumors begin to promote serotonin release, 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:38.000 starting mainly in the appendix. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:44.000 The lower part of the bowel is where it's most likely to be overproduced, 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:51.000 and that systemic effect hits the right side of the heart primarily, 00:15:51.000 --> 00:16:04.000 and then the reason it is worse for the right side of the heart is that the lungs have the enzymes that destroy serotonin. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:12.000 So the platelets pick it up from the intestine in the bloodstream and carry it to the lungs, 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:23.000 where if they're working, they can pretty much destroy all of the serotonin arriving in the lungs. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:25.000 But the right side not? 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:33.000 Yeah, if the lungs fail to detoxify it, then the whole body can be affected, 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:41.000 but the right side is where it goes first and is pumped from the right side into the lungs. 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:48.000 So the right side gets it in its crude form, and then the rest of the body, if your lungs are efficient, 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.000 the rest of the body has a much lower level. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:57.000 So what symptoms would somebody experience if they do have elevated serotonin leaking from their intestines 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:04.000 and then going and acting on the right side of the heart before the lungs inactivated it? 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:16.000 Fibrous deterioration of the valves on the right side of the lungs and ultimately pulmonary artery hypertension. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:29.000 And surprisingly, the lung has some processes that see the opposite of what we usually think of for antioxidants. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:39.000 Peroxide formed in the lungs by basically what seems to be a toxic oxygen reaction. 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:43.000 Peroxide helps to destroy the serotonin in the lungs. 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:50.000 So it has a very specific use of free radicals. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:18:02.000 That seems to be how negatively ionized air helps to relieve asthma and many physiological problems 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:11.000 and improves mood because it helps to destroy serotonin in the lungs. 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:18.000 Okay, so pulmonary artery hypertension, that's one of the side effects of increased serotonin. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:25.000 Yeah, that's where it got its name is from toning up the circulatory system. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000 Yeah. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.000 Okay. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:34.000 Well, we want to talk about different foods and things you can do to try to decrease the bowels production of serotonin. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:39.000 Okay, well, you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMED Gallipol 91.1 FM. 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:44.000 And from any time really from now until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, people are encouraged to call in. 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.000 And we've got a couple of questions they may have. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.000 Dr. Raymond Peat's with us today. 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:58.000 And he's talking about serotonin, dietary changes, endotoxin production and stress 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:05.000 and how the medical establishment perhaps have had research done that's skewed, if you like, 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:11.000 to mention the word skewed in the direction of the funding party. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:18.000 So, 9233911 or if you live outside the number here, it's 1800KMUDRAD. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:27.000 Okay, so Dr. Peat, you were mentioning the effects of serotonin and specifically you mentioned the pulmonary artery hypertension. 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:37.000 So, if a patient had asthma or a client had asthma and constipation, say, or... 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:38.000 Or diarrhea. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.000 Or diarrhea, rather. 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:46.000 And the irritable bowel syndrome is a typical high estrogen, high serotonin problem. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:55.000 Have there been any conditions associated with the pulmonary side that would normally not be present in a healthy, 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.000 well, say, healthy person, but somebody who had a good oxidative metabolism 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.000 and their lungs were deactivating serotonin. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.000 Are there any pulmonary changes that might happen in patients? 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:12.000 The best established are the asthma symptoms and the pulmonary artery hypertension, 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:27.000 but I think probably the emphysema category where you get thickening of the diffusion pathway between the membrane cells on the surface, 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.000 between the lung sacs and the capillaries. 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.000 Lactic acid and serotonin are closely connected. 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:52.000 One increases the other, and it's known that high lactic acid from too much exercise causes many athletes to chronically have an increased pathway 00:20:52.000 --> 00:21:05.000 for diffusion so that their blood leaves the lungs less perfectly oxygenated than a person with lower serotonin and lactate. 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:11.000 So, and also with asthmatics, it's very common that if they can remove the food that they're allergic to 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:15.000 or that's irritating their intestine, then their asthma goes away. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:27.000 Yeah, that's the direct effect of the serotonin on the contraction of the smooth muscles in the bronchial tubes. 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:37.000 That seems to be where the negatively ionized air can immediately help by destroying the serotonin faster. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:46.000 I read in an article here that in the old days, and perhaps we can bring the question up a little bit about purgatives, 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:50.000 because that's always been something in herbal medicine from Culpeper on, 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:55.000 prior to Culpeper from the very beginning of herbal medicine in Greece, 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:00.000 the administration of purgatives was very important. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:09.000 And so, to basically unstop people with constipation was looked at as a prime importance in treating inflammatory disorders. 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:17.000 And I know that you've quoted that inflammation of the bowel used to be a pretty well recorded 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:23.000 and quite frequently as a cause of death in older people, but it's seldom referred to now, if at all. 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:33.000 So, in terms of serotonin, that would have a bearing with that inflammatory bowel situation on autopsy? 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:40.000 Oh, yeah. When I worked in the hamster lab, we saw that the old animals practically always, 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.000 when they seemed to be dying of old age, were having a bowel inflammation. 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:56.000 And I looked up a lot of 19th century cases, and it was a very popular diagnosis of death at that time. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 Right. Well, and it's also interesting in our herbal pharmacopoeias, 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:06.000 I'd say definitely over 50% of the herbs that have been traditionally used and passed down 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:13.000 and information on what conditions to use them for are either laxatives or purgatives 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:20.000 or collagogues that work on the liver or just herbs that help to restore normal bowel function. 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:26.000 A lot of the herbs that are in the pharmacopoeias are purgatives, are directed at the bowel and treating that. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.000 And that was, you know, traditionally a very, very important place 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.000 because that's where we interact with our environment. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.000 So, how important do you see bowel health to general systemic health? 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:44.000 Probably it's the central thing that everyone should think about more 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:53.000 because the connection can be traced pretty directly to Alzheimer's disease and other dementias 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.000 and liver disease, heart disease, arthritis. 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:06.000 They've known for many years that various types of arthritis are alleviated by prolonged fasting 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:16.000 because of relief of the inflammation in the intestine when a person just stops eating for a while. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:23.000 But the laxatives and purgatives are really the more practical, 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:29.000 ongoing way to prevent that chronic inflammation. 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:40.000 Starches and indigestible fibers have been tested on various animals from horses to rats. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:51.000 And practically all of the fibers that are used as food additives, carrageenan and guar gum, 00:24:51.000 --> 00:25:04.000 various other gums, oat bran, and even some of the semi-synthetic things, metamucil, agar, and psyllium, 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:12.000 all have been identified as carcinogens for the intestine and possibly other organs. 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:20.000 And getting those out quickly before they support bacterial growth. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:21.000 And ferment. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:29.000 Yeah, the fermenting bacteria are known to increase the serotonin and lactic acid production. 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.000 And the endotoxin that we've mentioned. 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:40.000 Yeah, and there's a back and forth increase of endotoxin by the serotonin and vice versa. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:45.000 And just for our listeners, endotoxin is something that bacteria produce 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:50.000 in response to digesting these indigestible fermentable starches. 00:25:50.000 --> 00:26:02.000 Yeah, and all of these, both serotonin and endotoxin, increase other factors such as carbon monoxide, surprisingly. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:12.000 That's another of our short-term primitive defensive systems is the oxidation of the heme molecule. 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:21.000 And that releases carbon monoxide that is protective in some ways in the short term. 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:31.000 But in the long range, it's known to be closely associated with Alzheimer's disease, cancer, brain injury, 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:43.000 many kinds of tissue injury, and it activates the conversion of polyunsaturated fats to the inflammatory prostaglandins. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:47.000 And all of these tend to release more of the pre-fatty acids, 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:57.000 so it becomes a vicious circle of starch, serotonin, endotoxin, and so on. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:03.000 What would you have to say about the, oh gosh, people talk about dietary fiber. 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:08.000 What's your take on dietary fiber and what is important? 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:20.000 The two that I have run across in the literature and experimentation are raw carrots and cooked bamboo shoots. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:27.000 And these don't support bad bacteria? It's all about bad bacteria. 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:31.000 Yeah, they are antiseptic or antibiotic in themselves. 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:42.000 You can store them for a surprisingly long time, or other vegetables tend to rot if you store them in a wet condition. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:51.000 But carrots are used to living in moist soil, and so they can kill the fungus and bacteria. 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.000 And just as a side note, with hand towels, you know, in the kitchen that you dry your hands on, 00:27:55.000 --> 00:28:01.000 they make these bamboo fiber towels, and everybody knows, like, you have a cotton towel, 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:07.000 after one day of it getting used, pretty much all day long, it doesn't smell too nice by the next day. 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:12.000 I guess it's because it's supporting bacterial growth, but the bamboo towels, it's amazing. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.000 They don't tend to smell as bad the next day. 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:21.000 Yeah, I don't think all of the chemicals have been identified. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:31.000 It's partly that their cellulose is very resistant to bacterial breakdown in itself, 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:40.000 and it doesn't have things like pectin, which pectin does support some of the bad bacterial growth and fermentation, 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:50.000 and the so-called soluble fibers in beans and other legumes support bacterial and toxin production. 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:57.000 Why do you think it is that the whole industry, both the medical industry and the agricultural industry, 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:02.000 has been so keen to push dietary fiber down the necks of people? 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.000 In terms of all those dietary fibers that we talk about, that we're telling people that really they should be avoiding? 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:12.000 Well, traditionally, we ate a very low fiber diet from--I mean, a low fiber diet from grains. 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:16.000 I mean, we would have eaten our fruits and vegetables, but-- 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:28.000 The fibers like the acacia and guar gum, these things are very convenient for food processing. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:33.000 Carrageenan is now very widely used. 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:43.000 They can increase the weight of meat by as much as 30 percent by infecting this water-retaining gum, 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:51.000 and it's used instead of cream for making ice cream, so it has a very long shelf life, 00:29:51.000 --> 00:30:02.000 where if you used good cream or coconut oil, you could get a very fine texture that would last a long time. 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:09.000 But it's just a matter of the cheapness of carrageenan and these other gums. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:14.000 So just to cover some of the other starches, traditionally, we would have eaten potatoes, 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:20.000 and South America ate a lot of masa, which has been partially digested. 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:23.000 So what can we do, Dr. Peat, with the grains, 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:30.000 or if thinking about how tradition has eaten starches and coped with it? 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:36.000 Dennis Burkett, who sort of started the fiber fad about 30 years ago, 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:45.000 when he discovered that Africans didn't have a very high incidence of bowel and liver cancer 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:54.000 and that they tended to have three bowel movements per day, where Americans are more likely to have one or fewer. 00:30:54.000 --> 00:31:04.000 He said that he thought fiber prevented the retention of the carcinogenic toxins, 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:08.000 but he was talking primarily about potatoes, 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:16.000 and when he came to the U.S. and saw that people were interpreting it as oat fiber, 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:25.000 oat bran and various other grain fibers, a few people outside the U.S. did research, 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:32.000 showing that, in fact, those increase cancer incidence. 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:38.000 So if someone were to eat root vegetables and boil them very, very well, 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:43.000 this helps to break down the starch so it doesn't provide very much food for the bacteria, 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:50.000 and saturated fats such as coconut oil and butter put on the starches helps inhibit the growth of the bacteria. 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:56.000 So mashed potatoes with lots of coconut oil and some butter for flavor, or if you need to gain weight, lots of butter. 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:03.000 Yeah, and it happens that phosphate, which you get in the grains, 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:08.000 this might really be a part of why the fiber is carcinogenic from grains, 00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:14.000 because seeds and grains and nuts are so rich in phosphorus, 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:25.000 and phosphate stimulates the breakdown of these soluble or indigestible fibers by bacteria, 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:32.000 and calcium blocks that phospholysis of the fibers by bacteria. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:46.000 And so a high calcium, low phosphate diet goes with saturated fats in suppressing the toxic effects of the starches. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:51.000 And what about fermenting grains, you know, like traditional sour bread, sourdough bread? 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:57.000 Yeah, that digests it. The longer it digests, the more it turns into a sprout, 00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:08.000 and the sprout is basically a little sugar and mostly proteins and water, 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:16.000 where the starch is mostly indigestible proteins and starches with a high phosphate content. 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:21.000 While we're talking about phosphorus and calcium, I was looking on the web today, 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:28.000 doing a little bit of preparation for today, and I couldn't believe an article written by a research, 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:33.000 no, not a research professor, they were a medical doctor, but they were specializing in a certain area, 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.000 and they seem to have an air of credibility about them, 00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:44.000 but they were really putting down the need for calcium and also reducing the need or the international units for vitamin D. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:50.000 I think they were only quoting about 400 IU or 4 to 600 IU for vitamin D, 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:56.000 when I know we've heard and you've mentioned 2 to 4, 6,000 IUs of vitamin D. 00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:01.000 And the calcium intake, they were trying to say that actually more is not better, 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:07.000 when I think most people's intake of calcium is fairly low, given the traditional sources. 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:16.000 And I know that you would defend the increase in dietary calcium as being very pro or anti-inflammatory, 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.000 being very quelling. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:29.000 Yeah, I was thinking about the diet traditionally of the Maasai and related tribes in the high altitudes of Africa, 00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:41.000 they at least for half the year when the cows are producing milk, often drink 5 to 10 liters of milk a day. 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.000 It isn't exceptional. 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:51.000 And so they're getting 5,000 milligrams of calcium and more very often. 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:59.000 And they don't suffer from usual degenerative diseases. 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:04.000 I think this doctor was talking about all the problems of calcification, 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:11.000 you know, it's higher when you have a high calcium diet and then the chances of getting calcified, you know, arteries, etc. 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:17.000 Well, that's something way back in 1940s and 50s. 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:24.000 Adele Davis reviewed it in her books that doctors consistently get it wrong. 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:32.000 They think mechanically that if you eat more calcium, you're going to calcify your kidneys and arteries. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:45.000 And it's been known very consistently for 60 years roughly that when you're low in calcium and/or vitamin D or vitamin K, 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:56.000 your parathyroid hormone increases and it helps to increase it from any food calcium that's in your intestine. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:03.000 But when that isn't adequate, the parathyroid hormone, it's increased by high phosphate, 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:12.000 but it takes calcium out of the bones to balance the phosphate and puts it into the arteries and kidneys. 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:25.000 And so the surest way to guarantee calcification of your brain and heart and arteries and kidneys is to have a high phosphate, 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.000 low calcium, low vitamin K and vitamin D diet. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:37.000 Perhaps that study was funded by the producers of Fosamax or those other drugs because they know that if people aren't getting their calcium 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:41.000 and vitamin D at adequate levels, that they will have more bone disease and heart disease. 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:48.000 And some of the biggest, we have a call on the line, but very quickly, some of the biggest source of dietary phosphorus is legumes, isn't it? 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:50.000 Beans and peas. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.000 Yeah. 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.000 Yeah. Okay, so we have a call on the line. So you're on the air. 00:36:54.000 --> 00:37:04.000 Hi, yes. And for just that reason, I've always just chosen the intake in moderation because what kills you one week is the fountain of youth the next week, 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.000 it seems, from these studies. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:14.000 So it seems that having a little bit of everything and not too much of anything is probably the best answer. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.000 And of course, food pyramids, I've never eaten one. 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:24.000 The closest thing to that maybe is a tortilla chip with that shape, but I always chewed it up first because that shape's hard to swallow. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.000 My questions are about serotonin. 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:33.000 I always learn a lot from you, Dr. Peat, and I was always under the impression that serotonin was mainly a brain chemical. 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:46.000 But since you mentioned its effect on the digestive system, I'm wondering what the counteraction or interaction of melatonin would be in comparison to serotonin. 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:55.000 And also, is alcohol considered an endotoxin and what foods may actually cause alcohol to be created within the gut? 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:03.000 I've heard that people can actually get somewhat intoxicated from alcohol by eating certain foods which ferment within the gut, 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:07.000 especially good to know since there's a DUI checkpoint in Humboldt County somewhere this weekend. 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.000 And I'll take your response off the air. Thanks for the program. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.000 Thank you for your call. 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:19.000 Okay, so what part of the questions do you want to go for? 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:33.000 If a person has very sluggish digestion, it only happens occasionally, but yeast can grow so freely if the intestine is sluggish 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:48.000 and the membrane cells are weak that the overgrowth of yeast can turn sugars into alcohol. 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:56.000 Some people stay drunk all the time when they have yeast that are able to live in the upper part of the intestine or even in the stomach. 00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:02.000 So then, would those people, if they drank alcohol, would they feel even more drunk more quickly? 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.000 Yeah. 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.000 Because they already have a baseline level. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:12.000 Yeah, and that tends to increase the carbon monoxide. That's the toxic part of it. 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:19.000 The alcohol itself in those small amounts, chronically, they might be mildly drunk, 00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:27.000 but that isn't probably as harmful as the fact that carbon monoxide is increased by the alcohol. 00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:33.000 That's one of the problems with drinking any sort of alcohol chronically. 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.000 It tends to push up carbon monoxide production. 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:43.000 One of the problems with carbon monoxide besides blocking oxidative metabolism, 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:49.000 just like when you're poisoned by external carbon monoxide, 00:39:49.000 --> 00:40:03.000 the enzyme that makes the carbon monoxide releases iron and iron deposits in the brain and liver and other places with a toxic effect. 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.000 And arteries. 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.000 Yeah. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.000 So how about the connection between serotonin and melatonin? 00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.000 I know you asked that as his first question. 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:21.000 It's clear for a long time that the pineal gland is converting serotonin to melatonin, 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:26.000 and it's activated by adrenaline during stress. 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:40.000 And so it's generally seen to have this reaction to adrenaline and it has opposite effects from serotonin. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:48.000 So I think of it even in the brain as a detoxifying system against serotonin. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:55.000 And people studying rheumatoid arthritis and heart disease see the same. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:05.000 And I think breast cancer was another area where you see the enzyme that is able to convert serotonin into melatonin. 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:15.000 So it's probably defensive against these inflammatory carcinogenic and degenerative effects of serotonin. 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:23.000 Would you consider that it would be useful to supplement with melatonin? 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:32.000 I think it has its anti-inflammatory effects, but I think it's much better to work at the other end. 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:33.000 Especially -- 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.000 Making it unnecessary by reducing your tryptophan intake, for example. 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000 Good. 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:42.000 And reducing the starches and inflammation-producing things. 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.000 Okay, good. 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.000 And anything that irritates the intestine is going to cause the intestine to produce more serotonin as well. 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.000 Yeah, including unsaturated fatty acids. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000 Which are all the vegetable oils. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.000 I know we have another two callers on the line. 00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.000 Actually, one of them was me. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:02.000 I was going to ask, when you get your stomach all in knots from either love or fear or stress or whatever, 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.000 is there serotonin being released? 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.000 Or what's the biochemical basis of that, if you knew? 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:08.000 In what? 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:16.000 Our programmer here said that when you're in love or you're really stressed and your stomach gets tied in knots, 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:21.000 is serotonin involved in tying your stomach in knots? 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:22.000 Or is it adrenaline? 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.000 Under some conditions, yeah. 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.000 It's the thing that causes stress ulcers. 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:36.000 The main thing, I think, that causes stress ulcers, like the immobilized rats, 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:42.000 experimentally will quickly get intestinal bleeding and stomach ulcers. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:48.000 And if they're allowed to defend themselves in some way, even though they're still restrained, 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:53.000 they can block that stress reaction and lower the serotonin. 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.000 And the way they were able to defend themselves was biting on a stick. 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:58.000 Yeah. 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:06.000 Quite an interesting experiment, because it's a very good illustration of that ability to defend yourself. 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:12.000 I think of that as analogous to the two types of muscle exercise, 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:22.000 the concentric so-called exercise where you're basically walking uphill and shortening the muscles under force, 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.000 and eccentric where your muscles are stretching against the attempt to contract them, 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.000 like walking downhill, it makes your muscles sore. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:42.000 I think of the ability to bite the stick as the same as doing concentric exercise. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:50.000 They've shown that old people with very damaged mitochondria in their muscles, 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:59.000 two or three weeks of doing concentric exercises, only shortening the muscles under resistance, 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:05.000 they can repair or create new functional mitochondria in their muscles. 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:13.000 And I think that same sort of thing happens in the nervous system when you can do something protective or constructive. 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:24.000 Now, I wonder, just on a side note, would the anabolic exercise of perhaps curling dumbbells, I mean, that would be concentric. 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.000 Yeah, mostly. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:32.000 So, other weightlifting exercises when you're stationary. 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:40.000 Yeah, they have machines that will let you put force while shortening your muscles 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:46.000 and then let you relax as the arm or leg goes back into position. 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.000 Yeah, because these don't destroy the muscle fibers so much as the eccentric. 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:53.000 Okay, I think there's two more callers on the line, so let's take the next caller. 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.000 Hello, is that me? 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:56.000 Yes, you're on the air. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:45:11.000 Okay, I was driving so I couldn't call when you were talking about wheat and people having so much refined grains and so on. 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:19.000 I'm an old guy and I was on the farm in the '30s and '40s and the wheat that were grown then, 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:29.000 well, the wheat that's grown now by big agribusiness since World War II, particularly in the '70s, '80s and '90s, 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:36.000 has almost 90% more gluten, which is a lectin. 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.000 Lectin, lectin, I don't know how to say it. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:49.000 That's one of the problems because you go to the restaurants and stores and they've got gluten-free this and gluten-free that, 00:45:49.000 --> 00:46:01.000 like bread and all, but the reason is back in Grandpa's day we didn't have so much problem with gluten because the grains, 00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.000 they've been breeding to have more gluten in the grains. 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:12.000 At one point I worked for General Mills in Minneapolis and I learned a lot about it from that point of view. 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:17.000 It makes the breads and the pizza and dough and all that stick together better, 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:25.000 but I think the doctor knows what I mean when I'm talking about those lectins or lectins, 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.000 which are a plant protein which protect the seed of the plant. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.000 They're a sticky protein and make up part of the plant's natural immune system, 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:42.000 but when you have a high amount of these lectins, and they're in a lot of the foods, 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:47.000 not just wheat but all sorts of stuff, beans, dairy, eggs, 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:54.000 and when you eat these lectin-containing foods your body can't digest or eliminate those proteins, 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:01.000 but you see in the plant world these lectins protect the plant from harm. 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.000 For instance, the pumpkin seed is surrounded by this sticky protein, these lectins, 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.000 and they fight off enemy invaders, mold, parasites, and so on, 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.000 but when they get in your body they don't know they're in your body, 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:19.000 and they travel through your digestive tract, get into your bloodstream, and they're looking for a fight, 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:23.000 because by nature they're designed to attach themselves to sugar molecules. 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.000 They were former plant protectors, and now they're in your body, 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:30.000 and they're raising a lot of problems, 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:35.000 because you've got sugar molecules that are healthy in your cells and your digestive tract and everything, 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:42.000 and they're attacking that, and that's why there's so much problem with people having digestive problems, 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:52.000 and they're allergic to the modern agribusiness wheat. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.000 So, the problems with plants are forced by agricultural chemicals? 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:05.000 Well, there's that too, and stuff, unless you can get some organic grains. 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:11.000 But anyway, there is a way. 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:18.000 I'm taking something which contains sacrificial sugars, 00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.000 which are decoys that attach to the lectins, 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:26.000 and so your cellular sugars are protected. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:27.000 That's working out for me. 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.000 I just came onto that this last year, 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:38.000 and I'm not having the inflammation and problems in my digestive system that I used to have. 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:45.000 I wondered if the doc could address that a little more articulately than I can. 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:51.000 There are a lot of defensive chemicals, many different kinds. 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.000 For example, bananas are extremely allergenic, 00:48:54.000 --> 00:49:05.000 probably because of their intensive production in poor soils that they're overproducing, 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.000 according to the plant's own preference, 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.000 and so the plant produces more defensive chemicals. 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:24.000 Even the polyunsaturated fats in seeds are known to have a specific effect against digestive enzymes 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:35.000 and add to the absorption of the lectins and more specific immune-disrupting chemicals. 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:44.000 Ordinary sugars, sucrose, for example, has a tremendously protective effect 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:51.000 in resisting all of these inflammation-producing factors, 00:49:51.000 --> 00:50:01.000 from polyunsaturated fats to the allergens and gluten-type chemicals. 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:07.000 Fructose catalyzes the ability to use glucose efficiently, 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:16.000 and so sucrose is better than even well-cooked starch at protecting the immune system 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:22.000 from these irritants and toxins. 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.000 So are you still there, Collar? 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.000 Okay. 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:28.000 So I hope that answered his question. 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:37.000 I think he's taking a supplement of some type of sugar that is helping to block the lectins, 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.000 so I guess that explains that. 00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:46.000 And we did have a caller who called in to say that swing sets for adults were their health tip for the evening. 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:55.000 Yes, well, stress, going back to the stress, a way to block stress and how that affects your health so positively. 00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.000 Was that the end of the callers? 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.000 Dr. Peat, stress, that's probably a good point to pick up on. 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.000 In terms of what stress does to people physiologically, 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.000 would you let people know how it's affecting them badly? 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.000 People always talk about stress being bad for you, but there's a very good reason. 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:20.000 Yes, the only mistake that I think Hans Stelje made in all of his work on stress, 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:28.000 he in some places talked about a limited ability to adapt to stress 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:37.000 because we are born with a certain amount of adaptive energy or stress-resistant energy, 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:41.000 but I don't think there is such a thing as adaptive energy. 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:54.000 I think it's such things as sugar, sucrose and fructose, which let us deal with these menacing things such as serotonin, 00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:02.000 starches, indigestible fibers, various plant irritants. 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:16.000 The sugars are directly oxidized to energy and inhibit the interfering substances such as oxidizing unsaturated fats. 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:27.000 I think what the equivalent of a lack of adaptive energy that Stelje proposed, 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:33.000 I think what it is is that we have such a bad environment to adapt to, 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:40.000 that we get worse as we adapt to bad things such as polyunsaturated fats 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:48.000 and chronic excess of serotonin defending us against those chronic irritants. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:58.000 So I think these immediate adaptive substances that in the short range protect us 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:07.000 when we have to keep adapting with these short range measures that, for example, 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:19.000 serotonin increases collagen production, leads progressively to fibrosis of blood vessels, liver, kidneys, 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:26.000 even the brain develops collagen under excessive stress and serotonin. 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:32.000 And so too much adaptation to a bad environment, I think, 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:40.000 is what causes aging and degeneration rather than the lack of this hypothetical adaptive energy. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:48.000 So the immediate response of serotonin to give somebody when they're stressed either constipation or diarrhea, 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:55.000 well, that's one way of short term possibly helping if it's helping clean out the bowel with diarrhea. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:02.000 In the long range, constant exposure to the stress is what causes all these degenerative diseases you just mentioned. 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:10.000 Yeah, and a high calcium diet and plenty of sugar and reducing those things that support bacterial growth 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:16.000 will keep your thyroid working and keep your carbon dioxide up. 00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:22.000 Carbon dioxide keeps the serotonin bound and out of trouble. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:31.000 And so when you're stressed and make lactic acid, that displaces the carbon dioxide and activates the release of serotonin. 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:36.000 And when you're stressed, you hyperventilate more easily and then you blow off more CO2. 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.000 So you even have less protection. 00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:40.000 OK, I know. I know. I don't mean to cut you short, Dr. Peter. 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.000 I know there's one more caller who wants to get his question in. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:48.000 And I know we've got six, five and a half minutes here before we're off the air. 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:54.000 And I want to make sure that I get enough time to let people know where they can find out more information about you. 00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:02.000 So let's take the next caller and let's try to keep this down to about three and a half minutes or four minutes at the most. 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.000 You're on the air. 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:10.000 Hello. Yeah, you know, my first depression hit in 1964. 00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.000 And I didn't know anything about depression back then. 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:16.000 They put me on Elevil, which didn't do a thing. 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:20.000 And then we tried megavitamin therapy and that did nothing either. 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:27.000 And this happened six months after I took some very potent Sandos LSD. 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:33.000 And a lot of it was just the shock of realizing that everything in my life was false. 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:38.000 And subsequently I went through a divorce and terminated my employment. 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.000 I stood up with my family. A lot of trauma. 00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:48.000 And if people haven't experienced a major depression, they just can't understand. 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.000 I'm balanced now. I'm taking the vaccine. 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:58.000 And that presents problems because I have prostatitis and that irritates the prostate. 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:03.000 So I'm also taking -- oh, I think it's an alpha blocker. 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.000 It helps deal with that. 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:08.000 The biggest -- I'm going to try to make it fast. 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:12.000 The biggest problem in dealing with depression is the whole stigma of it. 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:18.000 I've noticed not very many people have called up and expressed what they're going through with depression. 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:22.000 And it's got to change because it is just rampant. 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.000 A lot of it is stress-induced. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:30.000 I know that mine used to be called chemical depression and now it's called reactive depression. 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:35.000 And all the chemicals you're talking about, I deal with those. 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:42.000 One thing I really wanted to throw out there was early childhood trauma. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:46.000 And one of the things I went through was I took these -- they're called gas treatments. 00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:48.000 You probably haven't heard of them. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.000 And they need to be brought back again. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:55.000 And what you do, you'll get the value of it. 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:01.000 But it starts off breathing some nitrous oxide enough to put you into a bit of a hypnotic state. 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:06.000 And I don't think the doctor realized the full implications of what was going on. 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:10.000 But then they'd switch it to a mixture of oxygen and carbon dioxide. 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.000 So that would kick off the medulla thinking you're suffocating and you would hyperventilate. 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:21.000 You would not only hyperventilate a lot of carbon dioxide but a lot of oxygen. 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.000 And I've got to tell you, it would take you out there. 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:28.000 I mean, it was a real trip, a trip to hell for me. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:32.000 You need to bring your question to a very close point because we need to -- 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.000 Okay. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:34.000 Okay. 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.000 Yeah, balance is everything. 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.000 And I think that a lot of that comes through sharing. 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.000 And I've been in therapy for years. 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.000 And I'm very happy with myself. 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.000 So I'm just going to hang up and listen to what -- I've had a heart attack. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.000 You have to put your ears right into it. 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:53.000 And -- 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:56.000 Okay, we're going to have to leave it there, I'm afraid, 00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:58.000 because we just don't have enough time. 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:00.000 It's 7.57. 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.000 We've got a couple of minutes to hear from Dr. Peat and also to give out his information. 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:10.000 So, Dr. Peat, thank you again very much for joining us this evening. 00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:15.000 I don't think we've even got time to ask you for your views on that last caller. 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.000 I'm afraid that was probably a little bit too broad a subject to wrap up in a couple of minutes. 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:25.000 But for those people that have been listening to Dr. Peat this evening, 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:31.000 he can be found at www.raypeat.com. 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:35.000 On his website, there's a lot of research information and articles. 00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:38.000 And that's spelled R-A-Y-P-E-A-T -- 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.000 Dot com. 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:41.000 Dot com. 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:51.000 Okay, and you can also contact us during business hours, Monday through Friday, at 1-888-WBM-ERB. 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