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My name's Andrew Murray. 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.000 My name's Sarah Johanneson Murray. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:31.000 For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, which run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8pm, 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:37.000 we're both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:42.000 We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions, 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.000 and we manufacture all our own certified organic herb extracts, 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.000 which are either grown on our CCRF certified herb farm, 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:53.000 or which are sourced from other USA certified organic suppliers. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:59.000 So you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garboville 91.1 FM, 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.000 and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:08.000 you're invited to call in with any questions, either related or unrelated to this month's topic, 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:14.000 of the misinformation concerning energy production, diabetes and saturated fats. 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:18.000 The number here if you live in the area is 923 3911, 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:25.000 or if you live outside the area, the toll free number is 1800 568 3723. 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:29.000 That's 1800 KMUD RAD. 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:33.000 And we can also be reached toll free on 1 888 WBM HERB 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:38.000 for further questions during normal business hours Monday through Friday. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.000 So once again, we're very pleased to have Dr. Raymond Peat with us, 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.000 endocrinologist, researcher, 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.000 many, many years of experience under his belt to illuminate some of the misinformation 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:55.000 that's so prevalent in the medical literature. 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.000 So Dr. Peat, thank you for joining us again. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:04.000 As always, people may have tuned in who perhaps have never listened to the show, 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.000 so it's always a very good idea to just give an overview of your background, 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:12.000 your education and what you're bringing to the show this evening. 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:20.000 I've studied a lot of different things, but my biological study was at the University of Oregon. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:27.000 I spent four years there working on a Ph.D., 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:34.000 starting out thinking I was going to do nerve biology and brain biology. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:39.000 And the people in that section were so dogmatic, 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:45.000 I looked around and found that the reproductive physiology and aging people 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.000 were actually scientifically oriented. 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:57.000 So I shifted over and did my dissertation on the hormones and physiology 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:02.000 and energy metabolism of aging and reproductive system. 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:10.000 Okay. Now I know that you're very interested in maintaining good thyroid function. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:17.000 I think that's one of the main things that we both have found is a key cornerstone 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:21.000 to maintaining biological energy production. 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:27.000 And that's so important in fighting the negative effects of the environmental material 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:34.000 that we've come into contact with that would lower our metabolic energy. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:42.000 So I think probably the first reference to metabolic energy 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:51.000 and the prevalence in the food chain of the material that is counterproductive to good health 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:58.000 is the saturated fats versus the polyunsaturated. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:04.000 So in your understanding, is that one of the main stumbling blocks 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:11.000 for the misinformation of diabetes and triglycerides and general lipid health? 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.000 Yeah, I think so. 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:25.000 The people who created the idea of the essential fatty acids actually a few years later 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:34.000 did an experiment with one of their lab people that I think really showed 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:42.000 all of the important features of why people should not eat the essential so-called fatty acids. 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:51.000 In 1929, when the Burrs published their claim that the polyunsaturated fats, 00:06:51.000 --> 00:07:00.000 linoleic acid and linoleic acid, they said those are essential for life. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:08.000 Other biologists had shown that animals were healthier when they had no fat in their diet, 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:14.000 had almost no cancer, spontaneously developing. 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:20.000 But the Burrs simply ignored the evidence that the fats were harmful. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:26.000 And other biologists ignored them pretty much for about 20 years 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:33.000 because the evidence was so overwhelmingly against their claims. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:39.000 But in their faith that those fats were essential, 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:48.000 one of their lab people agreed to go on a fat-free diet for six months. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:56.000 And his health remarkably improved. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:00.000 His blood lipids changed somewhat. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:05.000 The cholesterol went down a little and the triglycerides went up a little, 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.000 but the total lipids quantity stayed about the same. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:13.000 But he didn't get tired after a day's work, as he always had, 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:19.000 and his lifelong weekly migraine headaches disappeared forever. 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:30.000 So nothing really was assuring the support of their position 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:39.000 until the seed oil industry wanted to market their liquid seed oils, 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:45.000 cotton seed oil, linseed oil, soybean oil, and so on. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:51.000 And they brought the Burrs out of obscurity 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:58.000 and said since they have proven that the fatty acids, linoleic acid and linoleic, 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.000 are essential for life, 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:08.000 we'll get the public to eat them in huge quantities 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:14.000 and treat them as drugs rather than as simply a trace nutrient. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:23.000 According to their somewhat unconvincing research as trace nutrients, 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:30.000 they were supposedly doing something to make the skin healthier. 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:40.000 But the counter evidence had included such things as many animal diseases, 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:49.000 degenerative brain disease, atrophy of the gonads, infertility and so on, 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:56.000 were connected with eating too much of the unsaturated fats. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:00.000 Vitamin E was found to protect against that. 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:10.000 So it was all a marketing campaign to sell the idea that not only are those fats essential, 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:16.000 but they're good for you and like a drug they'll prevent heart disease. 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:24.000 But very soon people started producing evidence showing that, in fact, 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:33.000 linoleic acid not only causes heart disease, but promotes cancer, immune problems, 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:40.000 all kinds of things similar to what they had seen in the animals. 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:46.000 Okay. Now, all of these poofers then are the fish oils, the hemp seed oil, canola, et cetera. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.000 So these are all the liquid oils that you're referring to that are so common in the food chain now. 00:10:52.000 --> 00:11:01.000 Yeah. And in the 1950s, they were feeding a lot of fish to mink in the mink farms. 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:07.000 And they were producing what was called the yellow fat disease, 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:13.000 which apparently was related to the age pigment lipofusco, 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:19.000 which is a brown pigment that develops from the breakdown of polyunsaturated fats. 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:27.000 So the fish oils were, right along with the seed oils, were seen to be toxic in the '50s and '60s. 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:39.000 But by the 1970s, linoleic acid was being recognized as a major cause of heart disease and cancer. 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:44.000 So they had sold the public on the idea of essential fatty acids. 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:54.000 So they just changed the story and said, well, fish oils or linseed oil are a different kind of fat. 00:11:54.000 --> 00:12:00.000 They aren't the omega minus six oils like the deadly linoleic acid. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:03.000 Okay. They're the omega minus three. 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:04.000 Right. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:13.000 But those had already themselves been incriminated with the yellow fat and lipofuscon disease. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:18.000 Okay. So they just switched tactics to the N3s and tried to sell those, huh? 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.000 Yeah. And that's where we are now with the fish oil craze. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.000 Yeah. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:29.000 Well, what I find is quite interesting is with our clients' blood work, when we say, oh, you know, 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:33.000 have you had some blood work done, why don't you bring it in and let's look at it? 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.000 So a lot of clients have elevated liver enzymes. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.000 And when they start eating coconut oil, those enzymes come down. 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.000 Yeah. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:57.000 A researcher on hepatitis and cirrhosis, A.A. Nandji, for years has been showing that the polyunsaturated fats injure the liver. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:06.000 I think it started with an Indian researcher noticing that in the butter regions of India, 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:12.000 alcoholics didn't develop hepatitis or cirrhosis in the liver. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:23.000 And so he tested his observation on rats and found that if he fed them unsaturated oils, 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:29.000 alcohol caused cirrhosis and hepatitis. If he fed them saturated fats, it didn't. 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:41.000 And so Nandji tried that on his patients and found that their liver condition improved if he gave them a lot of saturated fats 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.000 and got worse if he fed them fish oils or seed oils. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:50.000 So why do you think it is so prevalent in the literature that we're bombarded from every seeming angle, 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:57.000 from the newspapers, the television, to the radios, and all the media outlets that are purporting the liquid oils to be the beneficial things? 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:02.000 Because it doesn't matter where you look, you find cardiovascular research for this or for that, 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:07.000 associating the fish oils with lower incidence of cholesterol, improved heart health. 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:13.000 And actually the picture from research is actually showing a very different story. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.000 I wonder why it is. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:20.000 There aren't many palm trees producing coconut oil in the United States. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:26.000 Well, didn't you say, Dr. Peat, that when people take fish oils and they have high cholesterol, 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:32.000 that the cholesterol moves out of the blood and into the tissues as a stress response? 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:38.000 So if someone had a blood test to look at their cholesterol before and after using fish oils, 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:42.000 it looks better after using fish oils, but it's not actually gotten out of the body. 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.000 It's just gotten stored in the tissues? 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:55.000 Yeah, and cholesterol is one of our most important protective antioxidants, generally protective antitoxins. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:09.000 And for the unsaturated fats to lower that in the total production of it and the level in the blood is part of why there's something to avoid. 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:19.000 The liver knows to increase, retain any cholesterol it can because it's needed for cell division to go on, 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.000 for cell function to go on. 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:32.000 All of the internal cellular processes rely on both cholesterol and saturated fatty acids. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:46.000 And if you overdose on the polyunsaturated, all of these intracellular mechanisms are deranged by interfering with the cholesterol 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:48.000 and saturated fat functions. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:58.000 The chromosomes, the spindle that helps the cell divide, separates the chromosomes and so on, 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:07.000 all of these are stabilized and require cholesterol and saturated fats to function. 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:18.000 And so you get deranged expression of genes and deranged cell division if you have too much polyunsaturated fats. 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.000 And just to -- excuse me, I had to pop out for a moment. 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:29.000 So I'm not sure if you covered all the different types of oils that fall into the category of the unsaturated versus the saturated. 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:30.000 Yeah, go ahead again. 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:39.000 But humans have been eating saturated fats forever, for thousands and thousands of years. 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.000 And they didn't make seed oils. 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:43.000 They didn't make oil out of corn. 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:44.000 Apart from olive, maybe. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.000 I mean, well, but that's mostly -- that's very little polyunsaturated. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.000 It's mostly monounsaturated. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:52.000 Yeah. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:17:08.000 The safe oils are butter, chocolate fat, which is mostly stearic acid, coconut oil, palm kernel oil, beef fat, lamb fat, and olive oil. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:14.000 And also, too, I mean, people think of like pork fat and chicken fat as being like bad fats. 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.000 And they actually are bad fats because of what they feed the pigs and the chickens. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:28.000 So unlike beef fat or butter or cream and milk and lamb fat and any other ruminant animal that has multiple stomachs, 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:36.000 the chicken fat and the pork fat are just as bad as the corn oil because basically the pigs and the chickens are eating corn. 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:47.000 Yeah. And they're now farming fish and feeding them some of the same foods that they feed chickens and pigs. 00:17:47.000 --> 00:18:02.000 And interestingly, the things we think of as fish oil, the fish that live in the cold oceans get their fats from plankton. 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:10.000 They eat small fish. The small fish eat the plankton. And the plankton fat is made by algae. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:19.000 And the algae is where the N minus 3 fats come from. And the fish modify them a little. 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:23.000 But basically what we call fish fat is algae fat. 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:39.000 And in experiments, they have given either warm-blooded animals extra fish oil or they give the fish a diet containing less unsaturated fat, 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:51.000 like grains or cereal fat and so on, or chicken fat, I think, was one they used, or anchovy oil, 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:57.000 highly unsaturated oil of a small fish that a salmon would maybe eat. 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:05.000 And they tested their endurance. The rats getting the fish oil had less endurance. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:19.000 Even the salmon on a pure fish oil diet had less endurance than when they were getting chicken fat or some other less polyunsaturated fat. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:23.000 So fish oil isn't even so great for fish. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.000 That's hilarious. I've never heard that before. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:31.000 So what about like the farmed shrimp? Because there's so many shrimp. 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:35.000 Do you think farmed shrimp even have the minerals in them why it's good to eat shellfish? 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:46.000 No. The good thing about anything growing in the ocean is that it has access to selenium, iodine, and other trace minerals 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:53.000 where things grown inland depend on whatever is in the soil. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:56.000 So they're often deficient in selenium and copper. 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:04.000 So farmed salmon, any kind of farmed fish or farmed shellfish, apart from oysters, they have to farm those in the ocean, I think. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:10.000 But they'll all be deficient then and there's actually no point eating them. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Yeah, unless people know exactly what to feed them. 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:21.000 Then they're giving them vitamins and then you're eating vitamins, recycled vitamins. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:34.000 Now Dr. Peat, what you explain is the problems in the food chain with those things that either poison the cells directly or interfere with thyroid function 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:48.000 all hinge on the fact that as organisms we need an excess of metabolic energy to cope with the insults of the foods that we're exposed to, 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:52.000 the drugs that we might take, or environmental toxins, etc. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:59.000 Yeah, and diabetes is a good model of the energy deprived state. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:10.000 Several years ago someone suggested that Alzheimer's disease was diabetes of the brain. 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:19.000 People are seeing the effects of inflammation in all of the degenerative diseases. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:32.000 Inflammation involves a failure of energy and a shift to basically the diabetic metabolism in which all you can do with glucose is make lactic acid. 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:34.000 Which poisons you again, right? 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:44.000 Yeah, the lactic acid is pro-inflammatory and doesn't produce enough energy for normal function. 00:21:44.000 --> 00:22:02.000 The essence of diabetes was pointed out by Randle in 1963 or 64 when he observed that if you increase the free fatty acids in the blood, 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:07.000 you very quickly make the cells unable to use glucose. 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.000 Right, does it shift their metabolism from glucose directly? 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:23.000 Yeah, it's now been worked out that there are two very clear points where the free fatty acids inhibit the use of glucose. 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:45.000 The pyruvic dehydrogenase, that's the one you need to burn glucose, and then they stimulate glucagon which happens to turn on the synthesis of glucose at the expense of protein. 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.000 Okay, they stimulate glucagon. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:54.000 Yeah, and glucagon then in turn stimulates the release of more fatty acids. 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.000 Oh wow, okay. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:23:11.000 There are several points like that where the free fatty acids activate, for example, adrenaline, ACTH, cortisone, thyrotropic hormone, and glucagon. 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:19.000 All of which increase the release of free fatty acids from your fat cell storage. 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:32.000 And that seems very illogical of the body to create those vicious circles in which once you start having an energy failure, you turn on exactly what caused it. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:43.000 But it turns out that it's only the polyunsaturated fatty acids that have those terrible anti-energy effects. 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:49.000 If you look at a comparison of stearic acid and linoleic acid, for example. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:53.000 Which is like butter versus corn oil. 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:54.000 Yeah. 00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:04.000 The butter turns off adrenaline and ACTH and cortisone. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:05.000 Which are the bad guys. 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:10.000 Yeah, and the corn oil turns them on. 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:17.000 And the excitotoxic system in the brain that wears out and can kill brain cells. 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:27.000 Those are activated by the polyunsaturated fats pretty much in proportion to the number of double bonds they have. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:28.000 Right, so these can be the... 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000 More than linoleic. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.000 So these promote Alzheimer's then or other neurological or degenerative... 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:37.000 Yeah, and they're calmed by stearic acid. 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.000 Right, which is beef fat, isn't it? 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.000 Stearic from steers or stearate? 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.000 I mean, it's in butter. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.000 Basically, it's a Greek word meaning fat. 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:46.000 Okay. 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.000 But yeah, that's what we were taught. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.000 That it meant from steers because of stearic acid. 00:24:52.000 --> 00:25:03.000 Okay, so you're saying that these bad oils can cause diabetes, block your use of sugar so that the blood sugar remains high. 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.000 And also Alzheimer's. 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.000 Right, they block your energy production. 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:30.000 Yeah, and if you look up the saturation index, I googled it and saw that all except one of the studies found that people with cancer had much more polyunsaturated fat in the tumor and in their bodies than healthy people. 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:40.000 So, for example, twice as much in one study was polyunsaturated where healthy people had equal amounts. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:41.000 Okay. 00:25:41.000 --> 00:26:06.000 And putting rodents on a diet of high saturated fat delayed their development of breast cancer, fitting in with the saturation index being a matter of protection against cancer. 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:20.000 Similar for heart disease, there was a study in which having the polyunsaturated fats shortened the lives of the animals with a tendency to heart disease. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:26.000 The saturated fat, very high saturated fat diet greatly extended their lives. 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:40.000 Mr. Mazzola, didn't he die of a heart attack after he had been saying, "Oh, corn oil is great." Like he was trying to sell everybody on corn oil because everybody was used to eating a saturated lard or butter or coconut oil. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:50.000 And he wanted people to buy his corn oil, so he said, "You can drink this stuff. It's great for you. It's great for your heart." And then didn't he die at a young age of a heart attack? Isn't that true, Dr. Peat? 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.000 I don't know about him, but I know about it. 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:53.000 I've read that. 00:26:53.000 --> 00:27:04.000 People famous for selling unsaturated fats dying of cancers that are known to be associated with an excess of PUFA. 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:18.000 PUFA is our abbreviated version for polyunsaturated fatty acid, and that is every other fat apart from what we've listed like palm oil, coconut oil, butter, beef fat, olive oil. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:25.000 Have I missed any others? We mentioned coconut butter. Any other solid fat? 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:44.000 In recent years, people are seeing that the level of free fatty acids, which in our population means mostly unsaturated fats because those are the ones which are most easily liberated from the fat storage. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:28:03.000 There's an extremely close connection between free fatty acids in the blood and your likelihood of dying from just about anything. Shock, aging, cancer, heart disease, and infection. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.000 All associated with high levels of free fatty acids. 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:17.000 Isn't this something that is good for a diabetic to test because it could be showing that they're not using their sugar because their free fatty acids are so high? 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:18.000 Yeah. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.000 In a blood test? 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:35.000 It's recognized for years that niacin is effective for not only heart disease but diabetes simply because it lowers the free fatty acids. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:40.000 But that isn't catching on because it's so cheap. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:47.000 So food sources. I know coffee has a lot of niacinamide. What about chocolate? Doesn't chocolate have niacin? 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.000 I don't know about chocolate. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:56.000 But also beef, I guess, rumen, animal livers, beef liver. 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.000 Yeah. 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.000 What other food sources are high in niacinamide? 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.000 All of the animal foods have a reasonable amount. 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.000 Ok. 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:09.000 Liver, milk, eggs. 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:16.000 Ok. You're tuned in to KMUD Galberville 91.1 FM. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:31.000 And from any time now until the end of the show you're invited to call in with any questions related or unrelated to this month's show of energy production, diabetes, and saturated fats just to explore the myths that are surrounding us and pervading our culture and media. 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:38.000 And the number here if you live in the area is 923-3911 or if you live outside the number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD. 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.000 Look out, there's one caller or question. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:48.000 We have a caller but first I'll tell you it's 730 and 42 degrees outside and here's our caller. 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:54.000 Hi, yes, I'm calling from Port Bragg where it's supposed to get down to 32 later tonight. 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.000 So make sure you stay warm and get your animals in. Just a suggestion there. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:04.000 And Dr. Peat, last show, I'm a little older. I just had a birthday this weekend so again older. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:16.000 And I have a little bit of difficulty hearing you sometimes and during the last show you did something where I could hear you very well and I wanted to ask if whatever that was you could do that again because I really don't like to miss anything. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:21.000 I appreciate your wisdom and you have great information. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:26.000 And before I ask my question of you Dr. Peat, I wanted to ask is that Sarah tonight? 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.000 Yes, it is Sarah. I'm Sarah and Andrew are here. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:30.000 I'm Sarah. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:47.000 I'm Sarah, yeah. I just wanted to ask if I could borrow your brilliant play on words about how fish that are farmed are deficient when describing the difference between the nutrients in farmed fish being deficient compared to those that are out in the ocean. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.000 I thought that was really clever and my compliments to you on that. 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.000 Thank you. 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.000 And thank you for the wonderful concept. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:11.000 My question for Dr. Peat is based on a conversation I had with a friend who said that he has difficulty digesting fats because of hereditary gallbladder difficulties. 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:29.000 So I hope this is in line with the topic and the question that I have for you is are there any available enzymes, supplements, herbs that would help in the digestion of fats where somebody has apparently a difficulty in properly digesting those? 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:41.000 Something that would aid in that digestion and better metabolize the fats basically have difficulty in eating meat, red meat, pork, et cetera. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:47.000 Not so much with fish or poultry but still a bit of a difficulty in anything in that realm. 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:58.000 There is a great tendency of hypothyroid people to have gallbladder disease and trouble digesting fats. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:14.000 And the best thing to do for gallbladder disease is to improve your thyroid function and avoiding unsaturated fats in all forms is very important for the thyroid function. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:26.000 The myth tells us that the only difference between the unsaturated and saturated fatty acids is their shape. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:34.000 And they claim that that has to do with the mobility of the fat in membranes and so on. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:51.000 But really the absolute difference between saturated and unsaturated is the way they bind to proteins and since the basic framework of the cell is protein, 00:32:51.000 --> 00:33:05.000 the saturated fats bind properly to the proteins and the unsaturated fats don't bind the same and bind to other proteins that they shouldn't bind to. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:21.000 And the protein that transports the thyroid hormone happens to -- it has sites that associate with the double bonds in the thyroid hormone molecule. 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:31.000 And the unsaturated fats bind to those same sites on the transport protein so that the protein can't carry thyroid. 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.000 It carries unsaturated fats instead. 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.000 And so the -- 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.000 Well, that's interesting to know. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:48.000 And maybe what I could suggest to him is that he'd look into what might be a cascading difficulty that originates in the thyroid and maybe prevents the -- 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:58.000 am I understanding correctly that it prevents the gallbladder from maybe properly producing enzymes necessary in that metabolism of fat? 00:33:58.000 --> 00:33:59.000 Right. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.000 Okay, well, hey, and I can hear you a lot better. 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.000 So whatever you did, keep doing it, man. 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:09.000 And you all stay warm and appreciate all the information that you bring to the air, all of you. 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:15.000 And I wanted to say as well, until he can get that sorted out or while he's working on getting that sorted out, 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:21.000 there are lots of liver herbs that can help improve bile flow and help improve his digestion of fats. 00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:31.000 Ginseng, tinctures of ginseng, burdock root, dandelion root, those are very bitter herbs that can really help stimulate that flow of bile 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:35.000 and help in the meantime until he can get his system working on its own. 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.000 Cool. 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000 And ginseng, is that sometimes pronounced ginseng? 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.000 No, ginseng. 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:40.000 Ginseng. 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:41.000 Swedish bitters. 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.000 I don't know if you've ever heard of Swedish bitters. 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.000 It's a traditional European tonic. 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.000 That has all those types of bitter herbs in there. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.000 Okay, yeah. 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.000 And, you know, sometimes we who aren't experts, a little clarification on that. 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.000 Can you spell ginseng for me just for clarification also? 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:03.000 Yes, it's g-for-George-e-n-t-i-a-n. 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:04.000 Yeah, okay. 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.000 So it sounds completely or it's spelled completely different from ginseng. 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.000 Oh, yeah. 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.000 Okay. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.000 Yes. 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:12.000 Very good. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.000 Thanks for all your information and have a good holiday, Thanksgiving coming up, 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.000 and I'm sure he'll be happy to hear this for that big turkey dinner next week. 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.000 Well, turkeys are like chickens. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.000 They're full of the poofas. 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.000 Don't eat the skin. 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.000 And don't eat the stuffing that is inside the bird. 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.000 I'm sure it will help him enjoy his holiday better, so thanks again. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.000 Okay, thank you for your call. 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:30.000 Thank you for your call. 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:40.000 So, Dr. Peat, let's get back to the energy balance and the disruptive effects on energy 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:47.000 of the polyunsaturated versus the saturated fats as a way of staying healthy by keeping 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.000 and maintaining a high metabolic energy. 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.000 Dr. Peat, are you still there? 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.000 Yeah, it went quiet for a while. 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.000 Yeah, it did, too. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.000 Did you actually hear the question or not? 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.000 No, I didn't hear anything. 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.000 Oh, I'm sorry. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:03.000 Okay. 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:09.000 I just wanted to get back to the concept of the energy balance in the organism and the 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:15.000 negative effects that poofa, the polyunsaturated liquid oils, seed oils, fish oil, et cetera, 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:22.000 canola oil, how they impact the organism's ability to be metabolically active enough 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:28.000 to have extra energy currency, as it were, to pay off the debt of inflammation and other 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.000 things that the organism might come into contact with. 00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:40.000 The one enzyme that I mentioned, the pyruvic dehydrogenase, is the one that feeds glucose 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.000 into the oxidative system. 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:52.000 But then the mitochondrial oxidative system itself is basically destroyed in proportion 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.000 to the polyunsaturated fat exposure. 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:56.000 Right. 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.000 This is the system within every cell, the mitochondria, the little factories that work 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:00.000 in the cell. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:01.000 Yeah. 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:12.000 It produces something like 35 times more energy per molecule of sugar than the diabetic pathway 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.000 can produce. 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.000 Wow. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:20.000 Because the diabetics are forced, for want of a better word, into a fat burning mode 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.000 rather than glucose burning. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.000 Yeah. 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.000 If it was purely saturated fat, that would be okay. 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.000 Right. 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:34.000 But when we're at rest, our cells can burn saturated fat. 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:35.000 They prefer that. 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:36.000 Okay. 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:41.000 The fat cells have been found to burn at rest. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:50.000 I mean, they're always at rest where the heart or skeletal muscles, only in a relatively 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.000 quiet state, will burn saturated fat. 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.000 Right. 00:37:53.000 --> 00:38:01.000 But the fat cells, being always at rest, slowly energize themselves by burning saturated 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.000 fat. 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:03.000 Okay. 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:08.000 That's why with age, our tissues become more and more concentrated with polyunsaturated 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:14.000 fats because the fat cells themselves are using the good stuff. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.000 Right. 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:23.000 And so, with age, it's seen all the way from birth to old age, there's a progressive increase 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.000 of polyunsaturated fats in all our tissues. 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.000 Right, from our diets. 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.000 Yeah. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:36.000 And so then, when we're under stress and don't get enough sugar, then we have to burn the 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.600 bad stuff. 00:38:37.600 --> 00:38:43.880 And that does many things to the mitochondria, including sometimes sudden death. 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:44.960 Yeah. 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:53.200 The chronic effect is known to destroy the genes, the genetic material inside the mitochondria. 00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:54.200 Okay. 00:38:54.200 --> 00:38:57.240 Where saturated fat doesn't. 00:38:57.240 --> 00:39:00.880 Would this give rise to cancers then, as a result of damaged DNA? 00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:01.880 Yeah. 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:02.880 Yeah. 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.360 So you're saying that this doesn't really occur only in the presence of polyunsaturated 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:08.880 destructive changes? 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:09.880 Yeah. 00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.880 The saturated fats are just quietly oxidized. 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:13.880 Wow. 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.880 Because they're relatively stable? 00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:16.880 Yeah. 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:17.880 Yeah. 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:23.880 They don't break down into the... 00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:35.360 Isoprostanes and neuroprostanes are equivalent to the prostaglandins, but they're made randomly 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:36.880 under stress and oxidation. 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.880 Right, and they're very inflammatory. 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:39.880 Yeah. 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:48.480 And then there are several of the fragment molecules that are made from the N-6 or N-3 00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:52.720 molecule, hydroxynoninel and hydroxyhexinel. 00:39:52.720 --> 00:39:53.720 Okay. 00:39:53.720 --> 00:40:03.960 These attach to hemoglobin, genetic material, enzymes, signaling molecules. 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.880 So is this a glycation? 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:07.880 Yeah. 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:13.880 Most of the things that are called glycation are really fat breakdown products. 00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:14.880 Okay. 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:23.360 So basically, if you're a diabetic, then most likely you're going to be breaking down these 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.560 bad fats in your tissues, and you can get a blood test that shows that you have high 00:40:27.560 --> 00:40:33.760 lactic acid from this inefficient metabolism where you burn this fat that's really a bad 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:34.760 fat. 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:35.760 It's not a saturated fat? 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:36.760 Yeah. 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.200 What would happen if a diabetic only ate saturated fats? 00:40:40.200 --> 00:40:47.200 Well, it takes a long time to use up the -- depends on how old and how fat you are. 00:40:47.200 --> 00:40:52.800 A thin person can change very quickly. 00:40:52.800 --> 00:41:03.640 It isn't just the storage fats that become very highly polyunsaturated with age, but 00:41:03.640 --> 00:41:12.880 every tissue contains phospholipids and other very complex molecules containing the fatty 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:13.880 acids. 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:19.840 So what would be like the maximum time if someone who had cancer or diabetes or Alzheimer's, 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:26.000 how long would it take if they stopped eating all of these polyunsaturated fatty acids and 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.120 all these bad oils and just started eating butter and coconut? 00:41:29.120 --> 00:41:35.760 Well, they've looked at people moving from Holland to England, for example, or rats or 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:42.920 chickens that are put on a different diet, and the complete changeover takes years, about 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.480 four years. 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:56.080 But you can -- if you eat frequently and thoroughly avoid the stress-causing foods and don't let 00:41:56.080 --> 00:42:06.600 yourself get hungry enough that you call on the stress hormones to liberate fat, you can 00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:17.280 very quickly shift over to the efficient metabolism, frequent eating, but always with sugar and 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.520 always with absolutely no PUFA. 00:42:21.520 --> 00:42:34.760 Sugar allows the slow disposition of the unsaturated toxic fats, and our liver treats the PUFA 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.360 like it treats other toxins. 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:45.520 If it has the energy, it attaches them to a sugar and prepares them to be excreted in 00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:52.280 the urine, just like chloroform or dioxin or whatever. 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.920 Any other toxin. 00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:01.480 So that's also why when -- like women will go on these weight loss programs and they 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:06.480 lose, say, 60 to 70 pounds in a year, that their liver enzymes go up and their liver 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:10.160 shows signs of stress, and that's because they burn too many of these polyunsaturated 00:43:10.160 --> 00:43:11.160 fats at once. 00:43:11.160 --> 00:43:19.360 But if your liver stays energized with frequent feedings and good nutrition, it can slowly 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:23.800 eliminate those fats without running them through the mitochondria. 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:30.320 But when you're under stress, you not only damage all of your blood vessels and nerve 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:39.040 cells and so on, but you -- they very specifically knock out the exact enzymes which are needed 00:43:39.040 --> 00:43:42.080 to detoxify things. 00:43:42.080 --> 00:43:49.600 So lots of snacks of fruit and cheese or fruit and milk, things like that to keep your energy 00:43:49.600 --> 00:43:54.200 metabolism going well will help prevent these bad fats from coming into circulation too 00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:55.200 quickly at once. 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:56.200 Yeah. 00:43:56.200 --> 00:43:59.200 And I think we have a caller on the line. 00:43:59.200 --> 00:44:00.200 Hi. 00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:02.440 I'm really enjoying your show. 00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.800 In fact, you're reinforcing what my mom always told me. 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:07.600 What was that? 00:44:07.600 --> 00:44:13.360 Oh, you know, eat more veggies, eat more fruit, you know, that kind of stuff. 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.440 She also wanted me to eat milk and drink milk, but that's another story. 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:17.440 Right. 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:18.440 Well, I'd recommend the same thing, sir. 00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:19.440 Thank you for that. 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:20.440 Okay. 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:21.440 Thank you. 00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:22.840 Well, I'm allergic to milk, so I'm not sure about that one. 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.840 But I've got a question for you. 00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.840 I'm sure I could sort that out. 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.520 Given enough time, I could help you out with that too. 00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:32.520 But anyway, so what's your question? 00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:40.000 You know, there was this, I guess you'd call it a diet, a way to eat that was talked about 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.000 always, you know, how these diet things go. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.320 They're kind of a sad thing. 00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:50.040 They come into people's awareness and they're the going thing for a while. 00:44:50.040 --> 00:44:52.720 But it was called the "Eat Right for Your Blood Type." 00:44:52.720 --> 00:44:53.720 Oh, right. 00:44:53.720 --> 00:44:55.480 Yes, I've heard of that. 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:59.520 And what I, you know, I don't usually subscribe to most of those things, but I did notice 00:44:59.520 --> 00:45:03.480 with that, you know, I looked it up and said, "Well, what's it say?" 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:09.440 It said for my blood type, which is O positive, it said, you know, "Beef is really good and 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.200 pork's not so good," and this and that. 00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:16.520 And what I've noticed is that, you know, when I find myself in a stressful position or tired 00:45:16.520 --> 00:45:21.480 position, something like that, I get this yearning for, you know, to go have a hamburger 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:22.840 or go have some meat or something. 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:24.760 And after I eat it, I feel really satisfied. 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:31.000 And I wondered what you all think with your experience in studies about the relationship 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:39.120 between certain types of foods or maybe specifically meat products and, you know, blood types or 00:45:39.120 --> 00:45:40.640 any of that kind of information. 00:45:40.640 --> 00:45:41.640 Or even cravings. 00:45:41.640 --> 00:45:45.600 That would be an interesting question for you, Dr. Peat, as far as a person's craving 00:45:45.600 --> 00:45:49.720 for like when they really want that steak or they really want, like I've been having 00:45:49.720 --> 00:45:50.720 cravings for watermelon. 00:45:50.720 --> 00:45:52.440 I really want some watermelon. 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.240 So what is the brain trying to tell us that? 00:45:55.240 --> 00:46:07.040 There have been animal studies and some studies in kids showing that we have very specific 00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:15.920 nerve systems that tell us what we're deficient in, except for the quality of protein. 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:23.000 There are only a few of the amino acids that our systems detect as deficiencies. 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:26.720 And I forget which those are. 00:46:26.720 --> 00:46:33.960 We do crave protein when we're deficient in protein if the food is a balanced type of 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.280 protein. 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:41.240 And we crave sugar and salt very specifically if we need those. 00:46:41.240 --> 00:46:47.560 Hypothyroid people generally crave sugar and salty food. 00:46:47.560 --> 00:46:58.280 And vitamin C is something that causes a craving for sour, tangy foods, fruits, for example. 00:46:58.280 --> 00:46:59.280 Okay. 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:04.200 So I guess, Collar, are you still on the air? 00:47:04.200 --> 00:47:05.200 Yes. 00:47:05.200 --> 00:47:07.160 So did that answer your question? 00:47:07.160 --> 00:47:10.360 Well, I mean, it does to a degree. 00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.680 I wonder, you know, the factors that I've noticed again, and I mentioned it, there's 00:47:14.680 --> 00:47:19.800 a certain level of stress that I've noticed that brings out some of that. 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.760 Well, I can notice when I'm tired I get more cravings for sugar things. 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:30.000 But also stress will bring on, you know, if I get really stressed and let's say I'm working, 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.400 I really want that donut, which I don't. 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.440 Donuts are one thing that I just try to avoid. 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:40.200 You know, but I find that there is some fat or, you know, as I said, the meat thing. 00:47:40.200 --> 00:47:48.640 So I'm wondering because I do find I eat a fair amount of beef and I try to buy the lowest 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:52.000 fat content beef I can. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.360 And again, you know, I'm hearing all your cautionary information regarding eating animal 00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:58.360 fats. 00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:05.400 And I'm just trying to find a balance there between what my body seems to be craving and 00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.280 what I'm hearing from you and from your educated point of view. 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:10.280 Right. 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.280 Well, as far as the beef fat is concerned, that is not a dangerous fat. 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:21.880 Of course, now with industrial beef raising, cow raising, cattle raising, sorry, what they're 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:28.640 feeding the cows, if they're giving the animals hormones, those will get stored in the fat. 00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:30.280 All the toxins do get stored in the fat. 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:36.200 But if it's a grass fed organic animal, then the fat should be fairly clean. 00:48:36.200 --> 00:48:42.120 And that if you're craving, you didn't say you were craving fat, but basically I don't 00:48:42.120 --> 00:48:44.000 think beef fat is a super dangerous fat. 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.600 It's the chicken fat and the pork fat and the turkey fat and the fish fat. 00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:52.960 Those fats are the ones that have been shown in these studies that we've been talking about 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:59.320 tonight to be dangerous and blocking your use of sugar and slowing down cells metabolism 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:03.520 and altering the genetics and all of that sort of thing. 00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:11.120 And your references earlier that I heard were at least with the swine and chickens were 00:49:11.120 --> 00:49:15.440 along the lines of that it's really the feed that's causing that. 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.200 Would that be the same with fish? 00:49:18.200 --> 00:49:22.120 Are you referencing only farmed fish or are you saying all fish? 00:49:22.120 --> 00:49:29.040 Well, they've seen the change of diet affecting even farmed salmon. 00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:38.040 And the fish really have just as almost an absolute reflection of their diet in their 00:49:38.040 --> 00:49:39.040 fat. 00:49:39.040 --> 00:49:47.760 Fish in the Amazon contain fat that's as saturated as butter because of the temperature of the 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:48.760 water. 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:49.760 Interesting. 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:57.800 So the old story of the Eskimo and why the Eskimos don't get heart disease because they 00:49:57.800 --> 00:49:58.800 eat a lot of fish. 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.320 That's because they eat whale blubber which is very saturated. 00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.920 They live off of whale blubber. 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.240 I don't know if I'll go that far in my diet. 00:50:10.240 --> 00:50:11.600 No, I know. 00:50:11.600 --> 00:50:12.600 We have butter. 00:50:12.600 --> 00:50:14.880 We have grass fed butter. 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:15.880 And grass fed beef. 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:23.760 Grass fed beef and milk that's from grass fed cows. 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:29.960 One thing I did want to point out is that when cows eat the bad food just like the chickens 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:35.440 and the pigs, all the corn and all the soy that's in it, the cows because they have four 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:41.720 stomachs they can transfer that bad fat from the corn into a saturated fat. 00:50:41.720 --> 00:50:45.640 So it's not dangerous like if you ate the fat of the chicken or the pig or the turkey. 00:50:45.640 --> 00:50:47.080 Yeah, that's really interesting. 00:50:47.080 --> 00:50:48.440 I hadn't known that before. 00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:58.400 So the cows bacteria use vitamin E to saturate the fat basically detoxifying the unsaturated 00:50:58.400 --> 00:50:59.400 fats. 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.400 Okay, we've lost you Dr. Peat. 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.400 Yeah, there was a noise. 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.880 Yeah, just say that again. 00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:09.520 You were talking about the... 00:51:09.520 --> 00:51:10.520 Vitamin E. 00:51:10.520 --> 00:51:11.520 Right. 00:51:11.520 --> 00:51:22.080 So vitamin E even in humans will cause some of that in the intestine if there are bacteria 00:51:22.080 --> 00:51:24.400 present with the fat. 00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:29.680 Vitamin E lets bacteria saturate and detoxify some of the PUFA. 00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:36.160 So one of the small effects of vitamin E is to destroy the polyunsaturated fat rather 00:51:36.160 --> 00:51:41.000 than just protecting against it's after effects. 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.960 So if someone were to eat french fries, God forbid, then they could take up some vitamin 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.800 E with it to help prevent some of the damage? 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.120 Yeah, or make the french fries in coconut oil. 00:51:54.120 --> 00:52:00.920 Okay, now that last caller who mentioned when they get stressed they want to gravitate towards 00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:05.180 I think he was gravitating towards meat but he did mention that donuts would be something 00:52:05.180 --> 00:52:07.880 else that he would consume perhaps under stress. 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.320 Do you understand that stress perhaps as being the need for blood sugar? 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:22.800 Yeah, there are the specific needs of protein deficient person or animal will gravitate 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.920 towards a higher protein in the food. 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:35.240 But the most intense connection between need and appetite is between sugar and salt. 00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:40.360 Okay, so sugar and salt are the good guys as we've heard before many times. 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.480 It's kind of another misinformation folks. 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.440 So people that have tuned in this evening have probably heard things that they may not 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:50.040 have heard before and some people that have tuned in have heard it and they want to keep 00:52:50.040 --> 00:52:51.920 hearing more which is all good. 00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:56.880 So we'll just reiterate the fact that the misinformation that's out there in the media 00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:04.520 is portraying the liquid oils as good, as soy as good, sugar as bad and salt as bad 00:53:04.520 --> 00:53:10.600 when actually salt and sugar are both very important for you, anti-stress compounds for 00:53:10.600 --> 00:53:16.160 lowering adrenaline and the saturated fats are actually very good in supporting a healthy 00:53:16.160 --> 00:53:17.880 metabolism. 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.000 What do you think about the free fatty acids in related... 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:26.240 Sorry, I just want to say but you want foods in balance. 00:53:26.240 --> 00:53:27.680 You can't just eat salt on its own. 00:53:27.680 --> 00:53:29.160 You can't just eat sugar just on its own. 00:53:29.160 --> 00:53:33.360 You want to balance it with a good protein and a good fat. 00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:35.840 You want to balance the sugar and the salt with a good protein and a good fat so you 00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.640 keep it all in balance. 00:53:39.640 --> 00:53:46.800 Maybe we have time for you just to explain what the Randle hypothesis proposed 30 years 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:52.880 ago or thereabouts that science wants to ignore now or I see some people actually digging 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:57.880 up that old research and starting to re-examine it. 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:02.080 Some people call it the Randle cycle but there's no cycle involved. 00:54:02.080 --> 00:54:03.840 It's just a competition. 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:14.840 When you raise your free fatty acids, you inhibit the ability to oxidize glucose and 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:23.120 stress increases the free fatty acids and oxidizing glucose is what you need to overcome 00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:26.520 the stress. 00:54:26.520 --> 00:54:33.960 It's sort of a counterproductive reaction but the reason it's counterproductive is 00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:39.480 that our systems are designed not to eat PUFA. 00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:47.520 It's a PUFA which very systematically is just an amazing black and white almost difference. 00:54:47.520 --> 00:54:56.440 The way the PUFA turn on the very stress hormones that interfere with the energy making it the 00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:04.480 body need more stress hormones and blocking the energy so that we need more turning on 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:08.280 the very things that cause the problem. 00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.720 Why does the body want to do that? 00:55:10.720 --> 00:55:19.640 The body is designed apparently from how completely systematic it is to respond to saturated fat 00:55:19.640 --> 00:55:29.200 because saturated fats block the stress reaction so the properly functioning body would be 00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:30.760 logical. 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:40.760 The stress reaction would provide energy in the absence of food, would provide the saturated 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:48.680 fats from the storage and at the same time, it would inhibit the stress hormones and allow 00:55:48.680 --> 00:55:51.800 the cycle to be broken. 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:59.160 We happen to be living in a time since the 1920s when they make poisonous fats and our 00:55:59.160 --> 00:56:05.040 body is used to eating saturated fat for thousands and thousands of years and it's not responding 00:56:05.040 --> 00:56:08.280 to the unsaturated fats like it does to the saturated. 00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:09.760 So we're just getting poisoned basically. 00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.080 It's not the body's fault. 00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:19.160 If science had simply been looking to understand the situation since 1930, things would have 00:56:19.160 --> 00:56:23.080 been very clear in 1950. 00:56:23.080 --> 00:56:30.360 But the very systematic differences between saturated and unsaturated fats would have 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:37.920 become perfectly apparent in just a few years of open discussion. 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:44.800 And advertising just totally swamped the whole cultural situation so even the scientists 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:55.180 and doctors dealing with the situation, they don't see the picture of how clearly polarized 00:56:55.180 --> 00:57:00.000 the types of fat are in their effects on the physiology. 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:03.080 It's just become a big snowball effect. 00:57:03.080 --> 00:57:09.760 Okay, well, we've only got four minutes to go so I'm sure there's no more time for callers 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:15.280 and I think for the people that are listening, thank you for those who've tuned in this evening. 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:21.320 Dr. Raymond Peat has a wealth of information that I think you should all visit at least 00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:22.320 once. 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.480 If you haven't done it yet, please do go to his website. 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:35.160 It's www.raypeat.com and there's plenty of scholarly referenced articles that will highlight 00:57:35.160 --> 00:57:38.680 everything that we've talked about tonight and plenty more. 00:57:38.680 --> 00:57:45.400 So do take a look at the website and we can always be contacted Monday through Friday, 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:50.560 normal business hours if people want to communicate any questions with us. 00:57:50.560 --> 00:57:54.080 And do you have anything else you want to add, Sarah? 00:57:54.080 --> 00:57:56.080 No, I'm done for the evening. 00:57:56.080 --> 00:57:59.440 Dr. Peat, I wanted to make sure that there wasn't anything else you wanted to say or 00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:01.880 is there any parting words you have for our listeners? 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:02.880 Nope. 00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:03.880 Nope, okay. 00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:06.960 Eat good fats and keep your energy working. 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:08.520 Lots of snacks. 00:58:08.520 --> 00:58:10.480 Thank you so much for sharing your time with us again. 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:12.320 We do really appreciate it. 00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:13.320 Thank you. 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:14.320 Thank you. 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:18.000 Okay, so all those people that have listened out there, there's always an alternative so 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:22.920 don't ever think you're stuck and don't especially think that you're stuck having to do something 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:28.280 that the medical establishment tell you is the only way to go about treating a certain 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:29.280 situation. 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.320 So whilst the misinformation that's out there concerning everything we've talked about is 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:38.560 so prevalent, don't believe that there's not another alternative because there is. 00:58:38.560 --> 00:58:41.880 It's just you just have to open your eyes and open your ears. 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:46.060 And for those of you who have ears, let them hear. 00:58:46.060 --> 00:58:47.060 Thank you and good night. 00:58:47.060 --> 00:58:48.060 We'll see you in December. 00:58:48.060 --> 00:58:49.060 Talk to you in December. 00:58:49.060 --> 00:58:50.060 Sorry, we will talk to you. 00:58:50.060 --> 00:58:51.060 That's right. 00:58:51.060 --> 00:58:52.060 We don't see you. 00:58:52.060 --> 00:58:53.060 We don't see you. 00:58:53.060 --> 00:58:54.060 Unfortunately. 00:58:54.060 --> 00:59:06.560 Okay, have a happy Thanksgiving everybody. 00:59:06.560 --> 00:59:10.560 KMUD thanks all of our business underwriters for their support for our community radio 00:59:10.560 --> 00:59:11.560 station. 00:59:11.560 --> 00:59:14.960 To find out how your business can help KMUD and get your message out at the same time, 00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:19.600 call the business office at 923-2513. 00:59:19.600 --> 00:59:24.640 And support for KMUD comes in part from Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup, an anti-inflammatory, 00:59:24.640 --> 00:59:28.480 anti-fungal, antibacterial, antioxidant medicine made without heat or ice. 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:33.840 Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup is organic, edible, topical, cosmetic, and water-soluble. 00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:40.560 Information available at goldendragonmedicinalsyrup@gmail.com and by phone at 707-223-1569. 00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:44.040 It's 759. 00:59:44.040 --> 00:59:51.560 This is Redwood Community Radio, KMUD Garberville, KMUE Eureka, KLA Laytonville, FM Translator 00:59:51.560 --> 00:59:55.760 K258BQ and on the web, kmud.org. 00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:11.240 Get ready to get funked up because Cousin Mark is coming right up. 01:00:11.240 --> 01:00:15.440 Please remember that this program is supported by the listener members of Redwood Community 01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:16.440 Radio. 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:21.280 If you like what you hear, please consider becoming a member of KMUD or renewing if you've 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:22.720 already joined. 01:00:22.720 --> 01:00:27.520 A regular yearly membership is $50, but we accept any amount. 01:00:27.520 --> 01:00:29.560 Help us keep free speech alive.