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Welcome to this month's "Ask Your Herb Doctor." My name's Andrew Murray. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.000 My name's Sarah Johannison Murray. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:01.000 For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, which run every Thu, Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m., 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:07.000 we're both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:12.000 We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions, 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.000 and we manufacture all our own certified organic herbal extracts, 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:22.000 which are either grown on our CCUF certified herb farm or which are sourced from other USA certified organic suppliers. 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:30.000 So you're listening to "Ask Your Herb Doctor" on KMUD Garboville, 91.1 FM, and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.000 you're invited to call in with any questions, either related or unrelated to this month's topic, 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:40.000 very pertinent topic here, the misunderstandings in the approach to cancer treatment. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:44.000 Once again, we're very fortunate to introduce Dr. Raymond Peat onto the show, 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:53.000 who has just done some recent work on a newsletter, amongst other things, following his interests, anyway, 00:03:53.000 --> 00:04:00.000 in the approach to health in general and specifically the misunderstandings in cancer treatment. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:10.000 So hopefully Dr. Ray Peat will be going over some of those mistakes and helping us to understand some of the misunderstandings 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.000 that we've been led to believe are the way to go ahead. 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:21.000 In the light of President Nixon's 1971 address to fight the war on cancer, 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:27.000 we've probably made no real advances in cancer therapy, unlike other diseases, 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:33.000 and cancer is almost the number one killer now, very close to cardiovascular diseases. 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:37.000 So Dr. Raymond Peat, thank you for joining us. 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:45.000 Once again, for those people who perhaps have never heard your name and what it is you've done and what you still do, 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:49.000 would you just give people an outline of your academic background? 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:58.000 Oh, I studied biology about 40 years ago at the University of Oregon, 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:16.000 and since then I've been doing my newsletter and writing books and occasionally doing seminars for medical people, mainly. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:31.000 And over the years I've been thinking about the medical culture and what makes it so wrong. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:43.000 When I was in graduate school in, I think it was 1968 or '69, we had a seminar on cancer biology, 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:53.000 and my part of it was the nature of carcinogenesis. 00:05:53.000 --> 00:06:07.000 Each person had a segment of a cancer issue, and my part was to explain what things are carcinogenic and how they work. 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:22.000 I listed 50 different types of things that are carcinogenic, including inert objects embedded in the tissues, 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:38.000 distilled water, and psychological stress. The professors were a little annoyed, well, greatly annoyed, 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:49.000 because their whole point in doing the seminar was to work out the ways that mutations are carcinogenic. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:59.000 They wanted me to talk about the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and causing mutations. 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:08.000 That was just one very small section of what I covered in the carcinogen section. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:20.000 Since then, those biologists were still fairly in harmony with the medical view of cancer, 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:29.000 but since then, with the cloning and stem cell research of the last 10 years, 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:35.000 biology has strongly turned away from that understanding of cancer. 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:41.000 Those professors have retired, and I don't know what they're teaching now, 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:53.000 but the active research in cancer is more in tune with the biology of stem cells rather than mutations. 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:59.000 Do you think that's a more accurate approach to understanding cancer? 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:11.000 Oh, yeah. It was when I did that seminar, but I was just gathering up stuff that was 30, 40 years old at that time, 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:17.000 but it was still outside the academic preferences. 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:35.000 But since then, because of the big changes in the gene industry, they've looked for natural events to parallel their genetic engineering. 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:45.000 They've had to be open to people like Barbara McClintock, who showed that stress mutates corn plants and so on. 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:53.000 So that opened up the whole issue of psychological factors in the development of cancer 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:58.000 and how stress affects immunity as well as cancer. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.000 Given that the current or the background of the 40 years up to the current point in time 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:08.000 have yielded very little in the way of promising approaches to cancer treatment 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:13.000 and/or survival rates post-surgery or treatment, 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:24.000 and given that there's a fairly large opinion that there is a conspiracy theory against people actually recovering and getting better 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:30.000 and that actually it's a huge multi-billion dollar industry that really wants to not actually find a cure so much 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.000 as just come up with new treatments that can be patented and money can be made, 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:42.000 would you explain perhaps what it is about the current or the approaches up until now that have yielded such poor results 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:52.000 and why that direction was chosen as a, you know, like excise the tumor and radiate the tissue when I know that you put such a lot of emphasis 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:59.000 on the damage that radiation can cause and how negative that can be also to lowering a patient's energy, 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:03.000 which is very important in their long-term survival? 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:13.000 Yeah, for decades people in the alternative health business have been asking that question, 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:26.000 how is it that doctors can forbid these experimental treatments to themselves or their family members? 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:37.000 If something really exists as an alternative, they would not let their relatives die or themselves, 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:43.000 but it's such a deep cultural thing that they really believe it. 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:52.000 They're trained in medical school in sort of a boot camp atmosphere 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.000 where they don't have time to get philosophical about what they're learning, 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:03.000 but they're drilled with these ideas of genetic determinism. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:14.000 And it was only less than 200 years ago that it was discovered that people are made out of cells. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:20.000 And a few years after someone discovered that people and animals are made of cells, 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.000 they discovered that cancer is made of cells. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:31.000 And then with Pasteur and so on, the germ theory of disease came up 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:36.000 and the atomic theory of chemistry and physics and so on. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:45.000 And everything fit into this being explained by the subunits that things are made of. 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.000 Right, it's kind of a reductionist approach. 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:56.000 And that happened to fit the idea that a cancer is made of bad cells, 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.000 some kind of difference in the cell. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:04.000 When genetics came up just 100 years ago, 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:10.000 genetics was used to explain what's different about the cancer cells. 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:19.000 They're a special kind of cell explained by a mutated gene which makes them completely alien to ourselves 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:23.000 because they're genetically different right from the start. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:25.000 They're different. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:30.000 So it's like a new being has come into existence with cancer. 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:40.000 And the old tradition all the way back to the Greeks was to cut a tumor off 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:46.000 or burn it off with a corrosive or with hot sticks or whatever. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:52.000 And so that line of medicine was being taught to people 00:12:52.000 --> 00:13:02.000 and then they fit the idea of the alien cell into that tradition of cutting something out. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:05.000 And it was perfectly reinforcing. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:12.000 It was something that is not part of us that has to be eliminated, otherwise it will kill us. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:22.000 And at the same time, other people were studying metabolism and physiology 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:29.000 and trying to understand how an embryo turns into an adult 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:40.000 and seeing that there are fields governing the relationship of one cell to another in the developing embryo. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:43.000 Like electromagnetic fields? 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:53.000 Well, including electrical gradients, but chemical fields, they didn't define the field. 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:58.000 They just saw that a thing had an influence on its environment. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:04.000 And you would cut a piece of an embryo or even an adult animal 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:11.000 and then you could see a wave of cell division spread out over the next hours 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.000 and a ring around the entry. 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:19.000 As a kind of messenger system or just a reaction? 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:26.000 Well, some kind of a communication that the injured cells would send out something 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:36.000 that would cause the first one row of cells and then the next one to divide to replace the injured cell. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:48.000 And this idea of embryological developing fields and injury fields, it was partly electrical. 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:56.000 The injured cells were found to produce a negative electrical charge 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:06.000 and that helps to organize molecules and it probably involves even light emission from cell to cell 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:10.000 as part of the field process. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:18.000 And the idea of a cancer field was being demonstrated in the 1930s and '40s 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:24.000 along with this field idea of developmental biology. 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:33.000 And they would show that if you found, say, a definite cancer in a piece of the intestine, 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:41.000 if you examined circumference rings around the cancer itself, 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:48.000 you would find progressing away from that degrees of abnormality, 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:58.000 grading off to normal through inflammation and different degrees of deterioration 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:04.000 until finally it would be outright cancer at the center. 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:15.000 So the idea of a field and gradients of trouble were all the way through biology. 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:25.000 But as soon as the molecular revolution came about with a great push from the government 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:33.000 and the DNA doctrine started being used to explain everything, 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:49.000 they said that information comes only from the gene to the expressed individual cell. 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:59.000 The body is only a mortal product of the immortal reproducing genetic material. 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:07.000 So that when virologists demonstrated that there were reverse transcriptases 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:13.000 that made it possible to have an RNA virus, my professors wouldn't believe it 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:21.000 because they said information only comes from the gene and the organism is a passive product. 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:29.000 They would say you're going to be a Lamarckian if you say that we can have RNA viruses. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:34.000 But since then this whole change in biology has happened, 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:44.000 and medicine is still stuck on the idea of the alien mutated clone of different cells. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:50.000 So it's like the argument between Louis Pasteur and Antoine Bechamp. 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:54.000 Louis Pasteur was saying that it's the bug that is the problem, 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:59.000 and Antoine was saying no, it's the toire of the system, 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:07.000 the environment of the cell or the body that determines whether or not an animal or a human gets an infection with a bad bug. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.000 Didn't they have that rival their entire life? 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:16.000 And then finally on Louis Pasteur's deathbed he admitted to Antoine that really he was right, 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.000 it was the toire of the body. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.000 Yeah, but medicine didn't -- 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.000 Agree. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:22.000 -- acknowledge it. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.000 Louis Pasteur had already done the damage. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:32.000 Yeah, and by the time the DNA molecule became stylish, 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:39.000 medicine had just totally locked itself into that way of seeing things. 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:44.000 And at that same time, interestingly, 1950, 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:52.000 I think it was Reader's Digest where I saw the article about a man who was injecting cancer 00:18:52.000 --> 00:19:03.000 into hundreds of prisoners in Ohio and hundreds of his patients at the cancer clinic in New York. 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:09.000 And he found that if he injected the cancer into a sick person, 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:14.000 it wouldn't be thrown off immediately the way it was in a healthy person. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:24.000 And if he injected it into a person who already had cancer, it would sometimes persist as long as they lived. 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:33.000 And so he said there's something in the body that either favors cancer or resists it and destroys it. 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:34.000 Right. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:35.000 But -- 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:39.000 The healthy subjects would basically get on top of it straight away pretty much. 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:49.000 Yeah, that happened to basically be suppressed by the molecular biology that at that time didn't want to accept 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:57.000 that the body made the decision whether to let cancer grow or not. 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:03.000 Well, were they wanting just cancer to just be something that we have -- that our bodies had no control over? 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.000 It was just because of our defective genes. 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:13.000 Yeah, once one cell becomes mutated, the doctrine says that it produces a clone. 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:21.000 All of the offspring are going to be essentially that cell, which is no longer you. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:26.000 And you have to destroy it or it will destroy you. 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:40.000 And when you actually look at cancers, they're very often polyclonal and full of even different numbers of chromosomes. 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:49.000 The inflammation field at its worst is cancerous. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:55.000 Within the cancer, there are zones of bad and worse. 00:20:55.000 --> 00:21:07.000 And as the cancer progresses, it gets more genetic deviations and chromosomes are falling apart and so on because it's under such stress. 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:23.000 But several people have analyzed the cancer more closely and have found that tissue can be perfectly normal and still functioning 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:29.000 and contain more than a thousand mutated genes. 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:39.000 And a typical cancer has hundreds, if not thousands, of mutated genes before it starts going bad. 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:51.000 And 40 years ago, people were demonstrating they had been storing bits of cancer tissue in deep freeze. 00:21:51.000 --> 00:22:02.000 And when they would bring them out and thaw them to grow in culture, sometimes they would use a solvent like the MSO or dimethylformamide 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:09.000 or even some more biological things, butyrates and so on. 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.000 And they found that what had been cancer when they put it in the deep freeze, 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:22.000 if they brought it out and thawed it in the presence of one of these somewhat structuring solvents, 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:27.000 it would revert to a normal tissue and not be cancer anymore. 00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:36.000 And around that time, someone took parts of tumors from two different colors of hamsters, 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:44.000 I think black and white or orange and black, so they could be distinguished. 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:59.000 But they were just tumors, and they isolated cells from each of the tumors and mixed them with cells from a normal embryo. 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:07.000 And the developing embryo would normalize what had been tumor cells, 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:13.000 and you would produce a perfectly normal hamster, black or red or whatever, 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:19.000 showing that it had some of its inheritance from a tumor, 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:25.000 which, given the right environment, was able to produce a perfectly normal hamster. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:32.000 So that's disproving the genetic abnormality theory that cancers are a defective gene, 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.000 because if you can inject a cancer cell into a growing embryo -- 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:37.000 Yeah. 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:38.000 You'd think it would be cancerous. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.000 Yeah. 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:48.000 And Harry Rubin and Anna Soto and Carlos Sonenshine, I think his name is, 00:23:48.000 --> 00:24:00.000 have been making that point that the organism really is, for most of the life of the cancer, 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:05.000 the organism is in control, and at some point, the organism loses control, 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:08.000 and that's when it becomes a functioning cancer. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:09.000 Okay. 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.000 Before we carry on, let's just let people know what's happening. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.000 You're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMED Galbraith 91.1 FM. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.000 We've got Dr. Raymond Peat on the show with us, 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:24.000 and he's talking about the empirical approach to cancer 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:28.000 and how things are changing in the field of biology, thank goodness. 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000 My name is Andrew Murray. 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.000 And my name is Sarah Johanneson Murray. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:40.000 Okay, so if you live in this area, the number to call in from 7.30 to 8 p.m. for phone-ins is 923-3911, 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.000 or if you live outside the area, the toll-free number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.000 So, Dr. Peat, carry on with what you were saying about the environment 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:56.000 and how this is changing the way that modern biologists are looking at cancers. 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:01.000 And also, sorry, Dr. Peat, before you get started there, I don't want to interrupt you later, 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:09.000 but also what can we do to help create an environment in our body that will be preventing cancers 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:14.000 so that if they aren't just defective genes and there's nothing, it's completely outside of our control, 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:24.000 that's a bogus theory, then what can we do to help prevent cancers from thriving in our bodies? 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:33.000 Well, getting away from that idea that it's a random mutation, 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:44.000 the alternative is to realize that everything you're doing is either anti-carcinogenic or carcinogenic. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:54.000 For example, if you avoid sunlight or put on sunscreens because you are afraid of getting skin cancer, 00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:59.000 the avoidance of sun is very carcinogenic. 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:05.000 They just said in England, a report came out just the other month, I think January, 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:10.000 that the appearance of rickets is becoming more and more prevalent 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:18.000 because people are using sun factor 50 on their children in an attempt to protect them from skin cancers 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.000 and actually they're getting rickets again now. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.000 So that was quite shocking news. 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:30.000 I know in England now the wave takes a little time to travel from the West Coast here in America over to England, 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.000 but they're all making sure that vitamin D and calcium are being consumed 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:40.000 and that people are encouraged to get healthy doses of sun. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000 Anyway, I didn't want to put that in too much. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:49.000 Just for our listeners to understand that, rickets is a disease where your kid becomes knock-kneed. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.000 A vitamin D deficiency. 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:55.000 Yes, sorry, a vitamin D deficiency where your knees are--basically it's a bone deformation 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:00.000 and your bones don't form properly and knock-kneed is kind of a common symptom of it. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.000 Am I right in saying that? 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:03.000 It's a knock-kneed deformity? 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.000 It can go bow-legged too. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.000 Right, both ways. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.000 Anyway, I thought that was quite interesting, so I'm sorry to interrupt you. 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:23.000 Boys are more likely to be bow-legged and girls knock-kneed because of the thyroid influence causing the joint to deform in different directions. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.000 That's interesting. 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:41.000 It isn't just the vitamin D. The penetrating light--for about 50 years now, people have been studying the effects of red light. 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:54.000 One of the--probably the basic effect of penetrating red light is to activate the respiratory enzyme. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:10.000 The mitochondrial oxidase enzyme is restored by red light and it's pretty well destroyed just by 12 to 15 hours of darkness in rabbit experiments. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:21.000 So the reason mortality goes up at the end of winter is because nights are longer in the winter. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:33.000 With using lasers or incandescent lights or sunlight, it doesn't matter what kind of light you get that penetrates you, 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:43.000 red light will go all the way through your body without a terribly great intensity, but sunlight is very good. 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:59.000 Even intermittent exposure over a period of 12 to 15 hours of good bright light will pretty well restore the energy-producing enzymes in the mitochondrion. 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:07.000 And this enzyme is the crucial thing that makes a difference in cancer. 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:27.000 Harburg, 1929, demonstrated that cancer differs metabolically from healthy cells in being able to turn glucose into lactic acid, 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:36.000 even in the presence of oxygen, because something has gone wrong with the mitochondrion in its use of oxygen. 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:45.000 All that you have to do to create the metabolism is to knock out the cytochrome oxidase enzyme. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:54.000 And that happens to be a very fragile enzyme that Harburg was studying. 00:29:54.000 --> 00:30:10.000 He didn't finish the explanation of how it works, but he was the one that showed that cancer is a metabolic disease, not a genetic disease. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:27.000 Everything that is carcinogenic happens to weaken the function of that crucial enzyme, so that the wrong kind of fat in the diet, 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:40.000 the wrong balance of estrogen to progesterone, a deficiency of thyroid hormone, or the wrong kind of radiation, ultraviolet or x-rays, 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:45.000 will destroy that as far as they can reach it. 00:30:45.000 --> 00:31:02.000 Ultraviolet only affects the skin, so the sunlight is still unbalanced because the red light restores the enzyme that ultraviolet is destroying. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:11.000 If you avoid sunburn, the sun is going to be a pure benefit. 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:16.000 So, especially this time of year when it's much easier to get more sun without burning, 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:24.000 are you talking about intermittent exposure, like you said, over a 12-hour period in a day? 00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:40.000 Yeah, ideally, from animal experiments, this enzyme tends to get damaged just by eight hours of darkness. 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:49.000 So, we shouldn't be in total darkness for longer than it takes to sleep. 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:57.000 Another question is these low-energy light bulbs, those vary from incandescent bulbs? 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:03.000 Those little fluorescent things are going to cause an epidemic of cancer. 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:11.000 Right, so basically the red light is coming from incandescent bulbs only and sunlight. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:17.000 Yeah, and the incandescent bulbs have to be several hundred watts to really be protective. 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:27.000 So, I know you've recommended for people that have office jobs to have 250 to 300 watts of light from an incandescent bulb shining over their workstation, 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:33.000 but how much of their skin would you recommend that they have exposed to that 300 watts? 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:40.000 As much as possible, but for people with brain disease and motor neuron disease and such, 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:48.000 just shining it on their neck and head and back if possible, that's the crucial thing. 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.000 But getting the whole body exposed is really the best thing, 00:32:53.000 --> 00:33:02.000 because even though your feet, parts covered up with clothes, aren't going to be exposed, 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:17.000 you're sending remedial signals through your nervous system that help to stabilize those enzymes and cells that aren't getting the direct light exposure. 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:22.000 But ideally, we should have light exposure all over. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:30.000 Right, so bald men with short hair are going to get more if they work in an office than a woman with long hair covering her neck, basically. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.000 So, the more skin exposure, the better. 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:42.000 Okay, so in terms of inflammation, we all hear and I think we all pretty much understand that inflammation is not a good thing. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.000 The body does everything it can to keep inflammation down. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:57.000 Given that inflammation, not necessarily be understood in terms of heat inflammation, but irritation that just causes an inflammation, 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:03.000 that inflammation is a very important part of cancer progression, isn't it? 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:09.000 Yeah, everything that is stressful promotes inflammation. 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.000 Right. 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.000 Even things like hives. 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.000 Okay. 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:23.000 Some people get hives just from getting cold or from exercising or from not eating soon enough. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:31.000 Just dropping your blood sugar works the same as cutting off the oxygen supply. 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:47.000 It keeps that crucial oxidative enzyme from getting the energy from the glucose and the carbon dioxide which should be produced from burning the carbohydrate. 00:34:47.000 --> 00:35:03.000 And in the absence of sugar, oxygen, or carbon dioxide, that enzyme is going to fail and that causes the cell to produce lactic acid defensively. 00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:18.000 The lactic acid then triggers chain reactions, causes fat to break down, and if you have eaten unsaturated fats, that's going to produce the prostaglandins 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:25.000 which cause chain reactions of more inflammation, more lactic acid production. 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:41.000 One thing leads to another, but basically it's keeping your energy up so that you can oxidize, respire to produce energy efficiently. 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:47.000 So frequent meals, small frequent meals will help to prevent that chain reaction of inflammation. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.000 We do have a caller on the line, so let's take this first caller. 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:56.000 Actually, I'm asking the question for them because it was simple and combined with another one, which is, 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:02.000 what about red LEDs, tanning beds, and far infrared saunas? 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:11.000 Red LEDs are demonstrated to reverse many of the changes of cancer. 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:25.000 They're being used to treat cancer experimentally, but lasers, incandescent light, and sunlight, as well as LEDs, activate that enzyme very efficiently. 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:44.000 Most of the work has been done with the 630, I think it is, helium neon laser frequency or the LEDs in that range, but between 600 and 700 nanometers wavelength, 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.000 the light is restorative to that. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.000 So how about a far infrared sauna? 00:36:53.000 --> 00:37:08.000 There is some benefit from some of the, mostly around 700 to 800 nanometer wavelength, but just the heat is beneficial, 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:22.000 but the really specific restoration of that crucial enzyme happens in the far red or from orange to red spectrum. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.000 So the far infrared is too far. 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:33.000 And then a tanning bed would be just pure ultraviolet with no beneficial and therefore harmful, correctly? 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:41.000 Well, yeah, basically you're getting your vitamin D, but without the protective red and orange light, 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:46.000 they're going to have a slight immune suppressive effect. 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:56.000 Because your white blood cells run through your skin, they're subject to a slight sunburn themselves. 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:12.000 So until you get so tanned that your white blood cells aren't exposed to ultraviolet, it's better to get your suntan in the real sunlight. 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:17.000 Okay, you're listening to Ask Your Hub Doctor, KMED Galbraithville, 91.1 FM. 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:25.000 And from now until 8 o'clock, you're invited to call in with any questions, either related or unrelated to this month's topic of the approach 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.000 and the misunderstandings in the approach to cancer. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.000 So Dr. Raymond Peat's joining us and we're live. 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:39.000 So Dr. Peat, getting back to excitation, cell excitation and cancer. 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:48.000 We normally look at an excited state of a cell to be a beneficial state, correct? 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:53.000 Well, I mean energetically, sorry. 00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:58.000 The energized cell is really relaxed. 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:15.000 If you imagine your muscles that are ready to work, they're soft and flexible and have energy reserves so that you can do a lot of work with them. 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:22.000 But if you work to fatigue, they swell up and start tending to cramp. 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:32.000 That's because the presence of adequate energy relaxes nerves and muscles and other cells. 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:43.000 And if you are deficient in the production of energy because your mitochondrial enzyme is impaired 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:49.000 or because your thyroid is low and not activating that enzyme system, 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:56.000 it doesn't take much stress to de-energize the cell. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:07.000 And just like your muscle that you overwork, the cell that has had more stimulation than it can meet with its energy production, 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.000 that cell is going to swell up just like a tired muscle. 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:20.000 And in that state, it's releasing lactic acid and histamine and prostaglandins. 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:28.000 And in the case of an overworked muscle, it's usually just that your muscle is sore for a couple of days. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:41.000 But if you're chronically low energy, not getting enough light, exposed to things that are impairing the respiratory enzymes, 00:40:41.000 --> 00:41:02.000 then you're going to be susceptible to, in various tissues, a breast or uterus or liver or kidney or brain that is experiencing hormonal or nervous or other stimulus. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:09.000 Mild chemical toxins, for example, will stimulate and excite cells. 00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:19.000 And if you're near that threshold where your cell is barely producing enough energy to return to its relaxed state, 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:27.000 it's going to shift over to glycolysis and produce lactic acid. 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:33.000 And the lactic acid then sets off chain reactions that make the swelling worse. 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:38.000 So is that basically how you would describe a seizure and someone having a seizure as well? 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.000 Yeah. 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.000 The cell's over excited, it's too excited? 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:47.000 Yeah, and it can't relax. A cramp is the same thing. 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:53.000 Right. So a truly energetic cell is a perfectly relaxed cell. 00:41:53.000 --> 00:42:01.000 Yeah. And a lot of people, if they tend to have seizures, they're more likely to have seizures at night 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:13.000 and more likely to get cramps at night because in the darkness, our respiratory enzymes are gradually being impaired. 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:23.000 And so we're closer to the threshold where excitation can't be turned off by producing energy. 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:32.000 Okay. Moving on to perhaps a controversial point, I think that most people don't understand correctly, 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:38.000 but looking at a cancer directly, if somebody gets a diagnosis of cancer 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:45.000 and they haven't actually had any surgical intervention, but they've been visualized as having a tumor somewhere, 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:55.000 what's your understanding of the rationale that cutting into or around that area or biopsying is actually pretty dangerous? 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.000 Well, just the evidence. 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.000 Yeah. 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:11.000 It's very seldom been looked at, but a professor at the University of California about 60 years ago 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:21.000 compared people who declined medical treatment and those who got the best available 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.000 and they lived longer if they declined the treatment. 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.000 And there have been a few other little studies like that. 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:40.000 There's a website, a man named Gershom Zajacek, Z-A-J-I-C-E-K, 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:52.000 who gives some of the evidence for how cutting out a tumor activates metastases that had been sitting harmlessly. 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.000 And there's quite a lot of evidence for that. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:09.000 Even some doctors, you can find people on the Internet, professors who are acknowledging that cutting out a tumor 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:15.000 very often causes metastatic growths to spring up. 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:28.000 And there have been published studies on that showing that people get recurrences much sooner if they have surgery than if they don't. 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:34.000 Okay. We do have another caller on the line, so let's take this next caller. You're on the air. 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.000 Hello. 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:46.000 I'll follow up on that last. How about the cutting out of polyps during routine colonoscopies? 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:53.000 Do you have comments that you care to make about that? And I'll take my answer off the air. 00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:55.000 Thank you so very much. 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.000 Thank you for your call. 00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.000 I think that's pretty harmless. 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:06.000 In fact, I think polyps, if you didn't look for them, I think they would fall off by themselves. 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:17.000 And so I think cutting them off the body doesn't really notice that much has happened because they aren't deeply entrenched. 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.000 They're ready to fall off all by themselves. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.000 And what about the cutting off of moles? 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:29.000 That's one of the things that's well established to cause others to pop up. 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:33.000 Zajacic talks about that on his website. 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:38.000 Would you just, I think most people that are listening now would probably want to be scribbling down this name again. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:44.000 So I know it's pretty ethnic European or whatever, but would you spell the name out again? 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:50.000 Yeah, the last name is Z-A-J-I-C-E-K. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.000 Okay. 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.000 The initial is G. 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:54.000 Okay, good. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.000 So people can go and check him out on the internet and Google search him. 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:09.000 Okay, so intervention in terms of what you're saying so far, that the body itself, when it is energy depleted, 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:18.000 either from poor diet or radiation exposure or environmental damage, toxins in pesticides 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:25.000 or just poor air quality or living in buildings that don't have access to fresh air and sunlight. 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:33.000 It's all a way of dragging the organism's energy down to a point where the body can lose the battle against things 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:38.000 that are slowly being incorrectly formed but normally get dealt with. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:45.000 And in the presence of enough metabolic energy, that kind of thing doesn't ever allow itself to become overwhelmed. 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:57.000 Yeah, and I think the idea of the bystander effect that they've been seeing in vitro studies with cancer cells, 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:11.000 for 50 years they believed that radiation caused cancer because it mutated the gene by radiation hitting DNA and breaking it. 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:21.000 But in the last 10 or 12 years, they've noticed that if you irradiate cells in a dish and then take those cells out 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.000 and put new cells in the dish, the new cells mutate. 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:36.000 Or if you mutate one cell with a beam of radiation, it sends out substances like serotonin and nitric oxide and carbon monoxide. 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.000 Just the same way the fish did the same thing. 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.000 Yeah, that will mutate other cells. 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:46.000 And in your body, that same thing happens. 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:52.000 You don't have to mutate a cell by a gene by hitting it with radiation. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:48:02.000 You just have to stress it with these substances that are emitted so that your whole body is experiencing bystander effects 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.000 going in all directions. 00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:19.000 A study in Seattle found that a set of dental x-rays would cause a pregnant woman to have an underdeveloped baby, 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:26.000 even if they shielded her abdomen with heavy lead aprons. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:36.000 It was the bystander effect from what was happening to her face and brain from the dental x-rays poisoning everything else in her body. 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.000 We do have another caller on the line, Dr. Peat. 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.000 So let's see this. Let's hear this next caller. 00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:44.000 Actually, he was shy. So I'm asking, what about Taxol? 00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:45.000 I don't know what. 00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.000 Talk about Taxol, please. 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:56.000 I think it has some anti-inflammatory effects, which I think probably account for the good it does. 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:01.000 But there are some less toxic things that I think do more good. 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.000 So Taxol is from the yew tree. 00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.000 Yeah. 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.000 It's a compound from the yew tree. 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:14.000 I think there are probably about a thousand herbal compounds, anti-inflammatory things. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.000 Could you comment on the Essiac formula? 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:24.000 I don't know it specifically, but I'm sure it has some of those same anti-inflammatory effects. 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:31.000 Yeah. It also has a lot of liver herbs in it, so that helps your liver clear excess hormones, 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:36.000 like you mentioned, if you have an imbalance between estrogen and progesterone. 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:45.000 I'm imagining that due to the improved liver function, you'd be clearing more waste from the system and excess hormones. 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:56.000 Let's not ignore the estrogen, which you've also implicated as a big cause of inflammation. 00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:01.000 And just coming back to inflammation, and it always comes back to inflammation, 00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:05.000 that that is the major cause of any mutation arising. 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:16.000 Yeah. I mentioned that the crucial respiratory enzyme is protected by progesterone and inactivated by estrogen. 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:24.000 But one of the oldest bystander effects known, at least 50 years ago, 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:36.000 they discovered that if you irradiate any part of an animal, it'll go into heat as if it had been given a shot of estrogen. 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:44.000 It can be its foot or its head or any part, but the bystander substances spread out, 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:52.000 and any inflammation activates the aromatase enzyme, which makes estrogen. 00:50:52.000 --> 00:51:01.000 So in studies of monkeys trying to measure the output of estrogen from its ovaries, 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:08.000 they found that its arms were producing at least as much estrogen as the ovaries. 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.000 Wow. Amazing. 00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:19.000 So a person isn't protected against estrogen just because they have menopause or have had ovaries removed. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:29.000 Every part of your body that's irritated or stressed or depleted of energy is going to become an estrogen factory. 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.000 And that's in men and women. But we do have another caller here. 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.000 Actually, another shy person. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:39.000 So assuming you were going through chemo and radiation and you were excreting those from your body, 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.000 what danger is that to people around you? 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:54.000 They're starting to recommend that people who are taking radioactive iodine as a thyroid treatment not fly or ride on buses 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.000 because they're irradiating people around them. 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:01.000 Goodness. Wow. 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:06.000 So what about like if someone's having radiation for lymphoma? 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:14.000 If you get it at the factory, it's not going to hurt anyone else. It's just going to hurt you. 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.000 It would just have to be like the radioactive iodine that people might take. 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:22.000 They actually have that in their system and they're radioactive. 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.000 Yeah. 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:24.000 Okay. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:33.000 Do you have any comments to make on metastases of cancer that haven't been surgically intervened with 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:38.000 and how that metastasis would occur? 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:49.000 Oh, well, they're great for business because now they're saying that maybe breast cancer starts in utero. 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:58.000 First they were saying if you cut off the breasts when a woman is 20, she can't get breast cancer. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:11.000 True. But now they're saying that maybe that's even too late for some cases that it might have really started in infancy or before. 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:12.000 Wow. 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:23.000 And so the idea of metastatic little aliens, it's a tremendous business because you can never prove they aren't there. 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:32.000 And if you injure a person enough, you're going to find some even if they weren't there. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:40.000 Wasn't there a study done that showed like over 90% of people that were over the age of 50, correct me if I'm wrong, Karen. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.000 100%. 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:50.000 100% of people over the age of 50 that died in accidents or had autopsies done, they all had some form of abdominal cancer? 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:57.000 Yeah, that was what Harry Rubin was told by a pathologist friend of his. 00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:06.000 But since then there have been a couple of similar studies that even looking at people over 35, they find a very high percentage of them. 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:17.000 If you look at just two or three organs, breast, uterus, prostate, very likely to find cancer in a high percentage. 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.000 But by the age of 50, everyone can have it diagnosed. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:29.000 So I think that means be careful about getting a diagnosis. 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:42.000 Dentists a couple of times when I was about 30 or so told me with a very grave expression that I had a precancerous leukoplakia 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:47.000 and I should have it biopsied. 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:58.000 But since I had already experienced that lumpy development inside my cheeks whenever I was deficient in vitamin A, 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:05.000 instead of going to a cancer specialist and having a biopsy, I took vitamin A. 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:12.000 Each time a dentist told me that, I cured it in a week. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:24.000 And then since I knew that leukoplakia of the cervix is biologically almost indistinguishable from leukoplakia inside the cheek, 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.000 I told women who had the -- 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.000 Abnormal pap snares. 00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:35.000 And biopsies showing so-called carcinoma in situ. 00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:42.000 I told them about that and they tried applying vitamin A topically and such. 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:48.000 And I kept track of three dozen women who had that experience. 00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:57.000 All of them told their doctors when they went back two or three months later with no evidence of abnormality. 00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.000 Doctor lost out. 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.000 Good hysterectomy. 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.000 But the doctors in every case didn't want to know what they had done. 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.000 Wow. 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:13.000 Okay, so you've mentioned vitamin A before, haven't you, for cervical -- 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:16.000 well, people when they get told they have cervical dysplasia. 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.000 The sources of vitamin A are eggs and liver. 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:24.000 I mean, there is beta carotene, but that then relies on a conversion. 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:29.000 And that conversion, Dr. Peat, you're saying is not very efficient between beta carotene and vitamin A? 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:37.000 Yeah, if you're deficient in either thyroid hormone or vitamin B12, you don't convert it. 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.000 From beta carotene into? 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.000 Into vitamin A. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:47.000 Okay, well, I know we've got three minutes left, so we're getting close to the top of the hour. 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.000 And we need to make sure that we're done by 8 o'clock. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:55.000 So let's spend the next couple of minutes just letting people know a little bit more about you, Dr. Peat, 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.000 and how you can be contacted. 00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:04.000 I know that you've in the past always been willing to let people know that your website exists and that they can visit that. 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.000 There's lots of articles that are fully referenced, 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:15.000 lots of kind of brain-stretching articles that help you think about things that we've been brainwashed into believing are happening one way, 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.000 and see them in a different way. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:21.000 It's always a very good exercise to see more than one side of any particular argument. 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:27.000 So Dr. Peat's website is raypeat.com, R-A-Y-P-E-A-T.com. 00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:33.000 And he's also just said that we can give out his e-mail address, folks. 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:36.000 So people would like to contact Ray Peat. 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.000 They have the option to the first time in, oh, two and a half or three years. 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.000 Well, you could contact him through his contact page on his website. 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.000 No, I took that off because I was getting too many book orders. 00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.000 Okay, good. 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:49.000 Okay, well, listen, folks. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.000 It's supposed to be good. 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:59.000 Dr. Raymond Peat's e-mail address, if you want to shoot him any questions, it's R-A-Y-P-E-A-T@gmail.com. 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.000 So raypeat@gmail.com. 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.000 Good luck, Dr. Peat. 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.000 Okay. 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.000 You're probably going to get lots of people contacting you. 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:11.000 If you live inside -- gosh, what are you pointing that for? 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:12.000 Okay. 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.000 Anyway, so we've got two minutes to go before the end of the show. 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.000 We're very nearly there. 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:25.000 So we can be reached toll-free on 1-888-WBM-ERB for any other questions during normal business hours, Monday through Friday. 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Peat, and sharing your wisdom. 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:33.000 People can go visit his site, raypeat.com. 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:36.000 And his e-mail address is raypeat@gmail.com. 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.000 So until next month. 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.000 Until March 16th. 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.000 Thank you for listening. 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:44.000 Good night. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:45.000 Good night. 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:59.000 [END] 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:03.000 And support for KMUT comes in part from Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup, 00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:08.000 an anti-inflammatory, anti-fungal, antibacterial, antioxidant medicine made without heat or ice. 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:13.000 Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup is organic, edible, topical, cosmetic, and water-soluble. 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:23.000 Information is available at goldendragonmedicinalsyrup@gmail.com and by phone at 707-223-1569. 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:26.000 It's 759 and 56 degrees outside. 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:34.000 You're listening to Redwood Community Radio, KMUD Garberville, 91.1 FM, KMUE Eureka Arcata, 88.3 FM, 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:46.000 KLAI Laytonville, 90.3 FM, and FM Translator K258BQ Shelter Cove, 99.5, live and archived on the web at kma.org. 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:51.000 Get ready to get funked up with Cousin Mark coming up right now. 00:59:51.000 --> 01:00:11.000 [MUSIC] 01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:16.000 Please remember that this program is supported by the listener members of Redwood Community Radio. 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:22.000 If you like what you hear, please consider becoming a member of KMUD or renewing if you've already joined. 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:27.000 A regular yearly membership is $50, but we accept any amount. 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.000 Help us keep free speech alive.