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00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.000 Yes, hi. 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.000 Hi, thanks for joining us so much. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:38.000 Okay, so would you as usual just give the listeners who perhaps have never heard you before 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:43.000 or heard of you a rundown of your academic and professional background? 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:48.000 I studied biology at the University of Oregon 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:58.000 and have since about 1970 just continued on my own figuring things out 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:04.000 and talking to a lot of people and listening to their problems 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:11.000 and almost every time I talk to someone I learn something about physiology. 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:16.000 It's a very complex continuing thing. 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:21.000 You did a PhD in physiology, didn't you? 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.000 Based on hormones? 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.000 Yes, reproductive physiology and the aging was the subject of my dissertation. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:33.000 Okay, because I know we've interviewed you quite a bit on the show now. 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 I know we really enjoy having you here to share your experience 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.000 because you're so factual in terms of your scientific reference 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.000 for what most people will just spout out as being the truth. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:47.000 So that's something I very much appreciate with being able to have this opportunity 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.000 to talk to you and consult with you even. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:54.000 So it's always refreshing to have the science behind the reasons why. 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.000 It just makes it a little bit more relevant. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:03:01.000 I think people are only too easily suckered into believing that something is the way it is 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:02.000 just because they've been told. 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.000 So I really appreciate everything that you do to bring a scientific relevance to the subject. 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:13.000 So this month, I know we've mentioned impartial cancer 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:20.000 and I know that your specialism with metabolism and thyroid hormone 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:29.000 and the other physiological hormones that are pro-life and not inflammatory 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:35.000 brings me to this topic of alkalinity and acidity. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:38.000 So generally summed up as pH. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.000 There's lots of information on the Internet 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.000 and I know that most people that are listening to the show now 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:49.000 that might be interested in the subject will appreciate the kind of clarity 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:56.000 with which you'll bring to the reason that you understand the importance of maintaining healthy pH. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:03.000 I think the main reference for cancer is that cancer seems to predominate in acidic environments 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:09.000 and that our diets for want of a better reason through the poor proteins 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:16.000 or other protein-based foods that we would eat, beans and seeds and some meats, 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.000 produce about acidic byproducts. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.000 So how do you look at some? 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:31.000 These sort of traditional ideas about the acid-base balance of food, 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.000 they usually lead to a pretty good diet. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:43.000 For example, the Indian diet, fruit, vegetables, and milk and cheese, 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:51.000 that's a good example of the alkaline residue diet. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:58.000 And so I don't have any disagreements with the dietary recommendations 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:02.000 to eat lots of milk and cheese and fruit and vegetables, 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:15.000 but it's the small details that people use to argue for certain refinements of that diet. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.000 For example, the fear of milk. 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:31.000 They talk about the loss of calcium in the urine as indicating that maybe it's too much acid, 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:40.000 but actually the residue of milk is on the alkaline side because of the very large amount of potassium 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:49.000 and calcium in the milk, very similar to the vegetables that the cows eat to make the milk. 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:52.000 They accumulate a huge amount of alkaline. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:57.000 Let's just talk about that subject a little bit more, the residue, you've said. 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:04.000 That's the, if you like, what's left behind once the food source has been metabolized. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:09.000 That's what actually dictates whether a food is what we call alkaline or acidic. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:22.000 Yeah, and grains, nuts, beans, and meats do have a very acidic residue or ash after they're metabolized. 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:31.000 And the biggest part of that in meat and nuts and grains is phosphate. 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:38.000 Proteins have a lot of sulfur, turns into sulfuric acid when it's metabolized. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:47.000 And those, it is possible to do biological harm by eating too much of those 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:52.000 and not enough of the potassium, sodium, magnesium, and calcium side. 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.000 Okay. 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.000 Which are predominantly found in fruits and vegetables. 00:06:56.000 --> 00:07:01.000 Yeah, fruits, vegetables, milk, and cheese. 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:15.000 Okay, so would you be prepared to run through some of the more commonly experienced acidic production processes in the body, 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:21.000 whether they're respiratory or in producing urine or other wastes, 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:27.000 and how the body will deal with maintaining the pH balance in the body? 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:33.000 I think it helps to look at the picture in the very biggest context, 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:45.000 which is that mostly we're a huge lump of protein, and protein is on average acidic. 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:55.000 And if you just leave acid sitting around in the environment, it will accumulate the base that neutralizes it. 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:02.000 And so if we think of ourselves as a big piece of acidic protein, 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:14.000 this just spontaneously will associate alkaline material with it, potassium, magnesium, for example, 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:18.000 will neutralize the acidity of the protein. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:27.000 But as we energize our system by burning carbohydrates and fat mostly, 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:34.000 the carbohydrate in particular turns into carbon dioxide, 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:42.000 and the carbon dioxide has to constantly be leaving the organism. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:50.000 What comes in is oxygen. The oxygen combines with the fuel, carbon, and becomes carbon dioxide. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:59.000 So you have a neutral oxygen coming in, and it's called oxygen, meaning the acid former. 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:05.000 The acid that it forms in this case is carbonic acid, 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:14.000 and we're constantly metabolically producing this acid, which is streaming out of our cells 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:19.000 and leaving through our lungs primarily, the kidneys. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:26.000 We hardly lose any carbon dioxide or bicarbonate. It almost all leaves through the lungs. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:37.000 And as the carbon dioxide is produced, combining with water, it turns into carbonic acid, which ionizes. 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:47.000 And so you have the acidic carbonic acid leaving the cell as a charged particle. 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:56.000 It takes the oppositely charged sodium with it, primarily sodium and calcium, 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:05.000 are constantly being drawn out of the cell by the stream of carbonic acid being produced inside the cell. 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:18.000 So the alkaline minerals reach the bloodstream in balance with the carbonic acid, 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:29.000 and then the carbonic acid leaves the lungs as carbon dioxide, leaving an alkaline trace in the blood. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:35.000 The cell basically was neutral until it produced the acid. 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:47.000 Then that neutralized protein gave up some of its mineral alkaline material, 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.000 which then shows up in the blood. 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:56.000 So the pH of the blood is above neutral, about pH 7.4. 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.000 Because of the carbonic acid? 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:05.000 And in this healthy metabolite, well, the carbonic acid which left in your lungs, 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:10.000 the mineral gets pulled out of the neutral cell, originally neutral. 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:22.000 But as it's pulled out with the acid being constantly formed, the cell shows its basic protein acidity. 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.000 And so the respiring cell is normally slightly on the acidic side. 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:37.000 A good healthy cell with plenty of oxygen will be around pH 6.8. 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:48.000 And if you stress a cell so it isn't getting enough carbon dioxide, or stress it in any way, radiation, 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:56.000 not enough oxygen, not enough of any of the things that it needs, 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:06.000 the cell becomes activated and shifts to the alkaline because it can't make carbon dioxide to acidify itself, 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:12.000 and it begins producing lactic acid very inefficiently. 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:21.000 And the thing about lactic acid is that the sugar, instead of being oxidized all the way to carbon dioxide, 00:12:21.000 --> 00:12:26.000 comes to the point of pyruvic acid. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:36.000 And instead of that being oxidized, the cell reduces the pyruvic acid to lactic acid 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:45.000 by taking some of the energy substance that was produced in this metabolism, 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:56.000 wasting it to get rid of the electrons so that this NADH, NAD can go back and become reduced again 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:02.000 and produce more of the conversion of pyruvic to lactic acid. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:11.000 And in that process, the lactic acid is taking protons out of the cell 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:23.000 and is raising the pH of the cell as the conversion of pyruvic acid to lactic acid increases the pH of the cell, 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.000 just the opposite of what the production of carbon dioxide was doing. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:32.000 So the stressed cell becomes alkaline. 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:40.000 So when the popular theory is stated that cancer cells like an acidic environment, 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:44.000 it sounds like if a cell is stressed, it likes an alkaline environment, 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.000 then that sounds almost exactly opposite. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:52.000 Well, it shifts internally to become alkaline when it's stressed, 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:59.000 but the produced lactic acid accumulates in its environment, 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:05.000 and that's where the acid is in the surroundings, and then it shows up in the blood. 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000 Right. So that's like if you've stressed your muscle out too much, 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:12.000 then you're producing lactic acid, and that makes your muscle sore. 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:13.000 Yeah. 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.000 So that's a stressed cell. And does lactic acid play a big part in cancer as well? 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:25.000 Yeah. It not only acidifies the environment, which in itself could be actually protective 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.000 if it was acidified by carbon dioxide, 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:39.000 but it happens that the lactic acid acts as a signal to do all of the things associated with cancer, 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:49.000 such as stimulating the growth of new blood vessels so that the inflammation continues. 00:14:49.000 --> 00:15:00.000 It signals a lot of inflammatory changes, vasodilation, and the formation of new blood vessels 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:13.000 and the release of carbon monoxide, nitric oxide, lots of things producing free radicals and injury. 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:19.000 So the lactic acid is functioning as a local poison or inflammatory agent. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:26.000 And the acidity that it produces is a sign that something is wrong, 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:34.000 but it isn't the acidity in the tumor that's harmful because the tumor itself is internally alkaline. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:42.000 Right. So as a side point, what do you think of foods that are high in lactic acid? 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:58.000 Well, even when we make it ourselves, it has these pro-inflammatory, swelling-producing, tumor-promoting functions. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:03.000 And when it's made by bacteria, it's somewhat more toxic. 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:14.000 And when the body receives it, either from a stressed muscle or a tumor or from too much yogurt 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:23.000 or some food that has been fermented, it goes to the liver to get detoxified. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:31.000 So every time you eat something with lactic acid, it's the same as if you had been stressed physically. 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:42.000 Your liver has to work extra to detoxify it, and it has to have a source of energy to detoxify the lactic acid, 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:47.000 turning it back into glucose. And the glucose is right back where you started. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.000 So you've lost ground every time your liver has to process lactic acid. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:17:01.000 So would you consider any amount of lactic acid-containing food to be a stress to the liver, 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:06.000 or do you think there's some margin of benefit? 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:15.000 A healthy liver doesn't notice an occasional dish of yogurt or sauerkraut or something. 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:28.000 But how I got interested in it was a long time ago, I discovered kefir on some store. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:29.000 Kefir? 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:37.000 It tasted good, and so I drank a little more than a cup of it, I think, each day for lunch. 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:46.000 But every time I did that, I would get a migraine-like headache every afternoon, and that started me looking up 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:56.000 what happens to your blood sugar and inflammatory mediators when you get more lactic acid than your liver likes. 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:57.000 Interesting. 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:06.000 How do you think about people's lifestyles promoting an acidic situation from stress, 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:11.000 and how that would negatively impact someone's health in a scientific way? 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:15.000 That's the reason why. How does stress... 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:28.000 The nervous system is in control of metabolism to a great extent, so you don't have to run five miles 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:42.000 to shift over into that stress metabolism if your nervous system and emotional systems are very stressed. 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:50.000 Just the thought of what you're doing, I mentioned it before, that if you hang an animal by its tail 00:18:50.000 --> 00:19:02.000 or put it in a tube where it can't move, it will very quickly get an ulcer with lactic acid going to all of its systems, 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:09.000 releasing histamine and other serotonin mediators of inflammation. 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:21.000 But if you give something for the animal to bite, even though it's in the same restrained stressful situation, 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:28.000 as long as it can defend itself by biting back, it doesn't get the ulcer. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.000 Do you think this could possibly explain why, as people have said in the past, 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:37.000 people that are angry, as long as they let it out, they generally don't get cancer. 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:42.000 The people that are angry that hold it in and don't do anything about it, they get cancer. 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:46.000 The rat experiment really suggests that. 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Okay. So do you think that if we can coin the term in the acidic lifestyle, 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:58.000 the stressed businessman who's always trying to meet deadlines, that he's hard pushed to make, 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:05.000 just missing the plane or just missing his appointments and being very stressed out, 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:13.000 that's a potential for a situation where cancer could arise because of the acidity from stress? 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:19.000 Well, it's actually the things like lactic acid and serotonin. 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:28.000 And the stress really is doing its damage by creating an intracellular alkaline condition. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.000 It's the alkalinity. 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:39.000 So when someone is under surgery, they often get ulcers just from being operated on somewhere else. 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:49.000 And if they are respirating them, that stress will very often give them lung inflammation 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:51.000 and brain inflammation and so on. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:21:01.000 And they've found gradually, 60 or 70 years after the people originally discovered it, 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:06.000 they've found that if they don't ventilate them very thoroughly 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:15.000 and let them accumulate quite a bit of carbon dioxide, their lungs and brain are protected and don't swell. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:22.000 So the acidity from carbon dioxide is extremely anti-stress and protective. 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:28.000 It's the alkalinity that goes with producing lactic acid which does the harm. 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:35.000 Right. I think just to explain that, you're saying that the acidity is produced by the production of hydrogen ions, 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:40.000 say, that are in the extracellular medium from the cell. 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:41.000 So the cell is alkaline. 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:45.000 Yeah, it just shifts the protons out of the cell. 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:52.000 So that's why people get stomach ulcers if they're stressed because instead of their cells in their stomach holding onto the acid, 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:57.000 it's like releasing it into the environment and then it damages the stomach lining. 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.000 Can you look at it like that? 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:11.000 Yeah, it's really the serotonin and other inflammatory things in the stomach rather than just the acid. 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:16.000 The stomach is very good at holding extreme acidity safely. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:29.000 But when stress gives the wrong kind of signals and you don't have continuing respiration, then you get the damage. 00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:37.000 So it's the presence of that acid in a stress cell that's then triggering the inflammatory mediators. 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:42.000 You can't actually just measure it because everyone's stomach is acidic. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:45.000 It's the most acidic environment ever. 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:50.000 I mean, they say when you have stomach ulcers, you shouldn't have this acidic food, 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:53.000 but it's not really down to the acid that you're saying. 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.000 It's more down just to the other inflammatory mediators. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.000 Oh, yeah. 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:06.000 You're listening to Ask Your Ob-Doctor on KMU DeGarboville 91.1 FM from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:13.000 You're invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month's subject of alkalinity versus acidity 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.000 in reference to certain disease processes. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:19.000 Dr. Raymond Peat is joining us in the studio. 00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:25.000 And until 8 o'clock, if people would like to call in with any questions related or unrelated, please go ahead. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:30.000 OK, so Dr. Peat, how realistic is it? 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:36.000 I mean, because there's a thing that they call the potential renal acid load of a food, right, the P-R-A-L, 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:44.000 that I guess is the measure of how much ammonia or protons are within the food when it's metabolized, 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:49.000 and that's the kind of ash value, as it were, of the food. 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:54.000 How realistic do you think it is to consume alkalizing materials 00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:02.000 and how that would affect the overall acid-base balance when the stomach is so acidic? 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:10.000 Well, I think it's very safe to consume a great excess of the alkaline material, 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.000 which the fruit and vegetable and milk people do. 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:24.000 And the body can produce -- can change protein, for example, into ammonium. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:35.000 And if it doesn't have enough mineral, it will waste protein, turning it into the equivalent of the alkaline material 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:50.000 and using the ammonia as the cation equivalent of the sodium, so it can save the sodium and calcium and so on. 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:59.000 Okay, because I always looked at ammonia as the NH4+ as being able to dissociate into hydrogen protons, 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:02.000 but I probably missed the point of somewhere along the line. 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:09.000 I always look at ammonia as -- I know ammonia is a base, it's not an acid, but I think I got it messed up in chemistry. 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:19.000 When it becomes the ammonium, that is the equivalent of sodium. 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.000 Right, that's the NH4+, right? 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.000 Yeah. 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.000 Okay. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.000 All right, so how realistic do you think it is to consume? 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:33.000 Do you think that consuming things that have an excess of potassium and magnesium and calcium 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:42.000 can actively work to raise the pH of someone's environment? 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:59.000 Well, I think they have -- the main function is sparing protein that you would use for the kidneys to help to regulate the minerals. 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:12.000 And, for example, when a person is fasting for several days, they will generally lose more protein than fat 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:22.000 because the stress hormones rise and they live on a pure meat diet when they're fasting as their tissues break down. 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.000 Right. Okay. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:39.000 So if you drink that fast, if you just drink the minerals, salt water, baking soda, potassium, magnesium and calcium, 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:49.000 any of the alkaline minerals will radically spare the amount of protein that you would be consuming and wasting. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:57.000 So a fast is much less stressful and harmful if you're getting the alkaline minerals. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:06.000 Okay. I know that you've mentioned sodium bicarbonate as being -- there's a caller. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.000 Yeah, okay, we have a caller on the air, but I think we better take this caller first. 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.000 Hello, you're on the air? 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:18.000 Yes. This is fascinating, and thank you very much, yourselves and Dr. Peat. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:30.000 Is the carbon dioxide circulation or exchange that the doctor just spoke of, 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:40.000 is that why it's so calming to re-breathe carbon dioxide when you're in stress? 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:54.000 Because stress, that's really a primary thing that stress does, shifting to the alkaline and making lactic acid. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:28:03.000 The cells are in danger of getting into a chronically activated state. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:15.000 The panic attack is a typical thing where the body too easily shifts over into making lactic acid instead of carbon dioxide. 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:21.000 And so the person feels that they're suffocating, but in the long run, 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:30.000 that same thing can lead to degenerative diseases or cancer in which the cells are stuck in a panic attack condition. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:44.000 And if you think of the original state of the cell as being the protein acid which attracts the minerals to neutralize the acid, 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:51.000 you can restore that condition with carbon dioxide, just re-breathing it, 00:28:51.000 --> 00:29:01.000 getting your percentage of the acidic carbon dioxide dissolved in the blood up where it should be. 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:09.000 You can stop the production of lactic acid, reverse these stress processes, 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:14.000 and restore the cell to its relaxed, unpanicked condition. 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.000 And that's through like bad breathing? 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:28.000 Yeah, and for example, you can generally lower your blood pressure just breathing a minute or two in a paper bag a few times a day. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:34.000 I've seen people take their blood pressure down 30 points in just a day or two that way. 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.000 Thank you so much. 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.000 Thank you for your call. 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:50.000 So it really is a de-stressor not only for the mental state, but for all the other cellular states that are panicking. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.000 Yeah. 00:29:52.000 --> 00:30:04.000 Every cell or tissue that you look at, it's protected if you restore the proper amount of carbon dioxide. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:16.000 And the carbon dioxide in the gaseous form, it's easier if you think about the pH, acid-base balance of the organism, 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:31.000 if you think of it as being pushed by a few factors, one of which is the amount of dissolved or gaseous carbon dioxide. 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:39.000 So that breathing in a bag is one of the most powerful ways to restore the proper balance. 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:47.000 If you need more bicarbonate, the gaseous carbon dioxide will allow you to make more bicarbonate. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:56.000 And that will help you regulate your minerals and even help you retain more of your alkaline minerals. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:03.000 So it will help correct your balance either in the acid or base direction. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:15.000 Taking a sodium bicarbonate, for example, will actually acidify cells that are in need of more carbon dioxide 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:25.000 because when the bicarbonate has been deficient, when a cell is exposed to the bicarbonate, 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:39.000 it will convert it into the acidic carbon dioxide and be able to lower its pH, even though you've taken the alkaline baking soda. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:46.000 So is that why you recommend baking soda for athletes, to help lower their... does that help balance out that high lactic acid? 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:57.000 Yeah. There have been experiments, for example, in the marathon or bicycle races in Death Valley where the altitude is very low. 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:10.000 They found that I think it was a tablespoon of baking soda at the start of the race made them tolerate the stress much better. 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.000 All right. Good. There's another caller on the line, so let's take the next caller. 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.000 Hi, you're on the air. 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:31.000 Hi. My question involves a study I heard just recently on, I think, NPR about the cultures, the Western civilizations, 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:38.000 that the mortality rate for Japan, and they're the highest smoking population of all Western cultures, 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.000 is actually much higher than here in America. 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:50.000 I'm wondering, does smoking increase that carbon dioxide that you're talking about in the body to release, to relax it? 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:55.000 I'll take my answer off the air. Thanks. 00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:00.000 Could you rephrase the question? What was higher in the other cultures? 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:08.000 He said smoking, and I think he was trying to get at, was smoking an efficient way of raising your CO2, but it's monoxide, I think. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:21.000 The carbon monoxide is something that we produce under stress, and it lowers our ability to use oxygen and to produce carbon dioxide. 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:29.000 Carbon monoxide is what you inhale as part of the cigarette smoking, right? It increases your carbon monoxide, no? 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.000 Yeah. 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:35.000 Okay, so the caller that called in the carbon monoxide from smoking is pretty damaging, 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:40.000 and it's not something that would improve your CO2 content. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.000 I think Michael has a question. 00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:48.000 Do you have any thoughts as to why the Japanese culture has such longevity compared to, or lower mortality, 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.000 especially since they do consume a lot of tobacco? 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:59.000 Much of that is propaganda. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:11.000 When you look at the actual details of the population, it isn't as great as some of the articles have been saying. 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:23.000 For example, one of the articles, if you look at the mortality figures, it suggests that the average lifespan is 300 years. 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:35.000 If you don't look at the whole structure of the population, it's hard to get an idea of what the real age-specific death rate is. 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:44.000 You have to look at how likely a person is to die when they're 60 or 70 or 80 or 90 years old, 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:50.000 rather than looking at the mortality per population. 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:57.000 That's the trouble with the United States since the turn of the century. 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:05.000 They stopped publishing the actual raw figures, the given age-adjusted mortality rate. 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:16.000 I don't think anyone outside of the Bureau of Statistics really is sure what the longevity of Americans is doing right now. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:23.000 Back to what that call-out question was, you don't think that smoking raises carbon dioxide in any way? 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:32.000 It does, but it raises the carbon monoxide so seriously that that's the main effect and it's harmful. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:34.000 Right. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:39.000 Okay, so you're listening to Ask Your Ob-Doctor on KMUD 91.1 FM. 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:44.000 Until 8 o'clock, rather, from now until 8 o'clock, people are invited to call in. 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.000 Dr. Raymond Peat is here joining us in the studio. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:56.000 If you live outside the area, it's 1-800-KMUD-RAD, or if you're lucky enough to live in this area, code is 923-3911. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:01.000 Okay, so Dr. Peat, you mentioned the sodium bicarbonate for the athletes in Death Valley 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.000 would actually give them a greater interval between getting stressed. 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:13.000 The potassium bicarbonate, is that something that could be used similarly as sodium bicarbonate? 00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:20.000 Yeah, the average person is very good at getting rid of the sodium, 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:32.000 and so the sodium bicarbonate is something that most people can use without experiencing edema or disturbance of blood pressure. 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:44.000 But the potassium bicarbonate, it has a relaxing effect on your blood vessels, 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.000 and so it can help to lower your blood pressure even more than the sodium bicarbonate, 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:57.000 but you have to be cautious because too much of it can relax your heart. 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:03.000 And just for our listeners, in case people don't know what sodium bicarbonate is, it's baking soda. 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.000 I'm just making sure we've mentioned that. I'm not sure if we have. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:11.000 If we have, I'm sorry to repeat that, but sodium bicarbonate is baking soda. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.000 Okay, so what would your suggestions be, Dr. Peat, for the people that are out there 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:21.000 that have been thinking about acid and alkalinity and cancer problems with maybe an acidic situation? 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:27.000 What would be an ideal lifestyle that you would suggest? 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:38.000 Well, the only foods I would suggest eliminating would be the grains and beans and most of the nuts, 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:55.000 and probably reducing most meats. Gelatin happens to be the part of the meat that doesn't have so many 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:00.000 of the disturbing acidic pro-inflammatory effects. 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:08.000 And in the news currently is the pink slime issue, which is made from connective tissues, 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:14.000 but it seems to me that that might be the best part of the meat. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.000 Okay, we do have another caller on the air, so let's take this next caller. You're on the air. 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.000 Hi, thanks for taking my call. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:31.000 Whenever I do rather short walks, like half an hour, I get muscle soreness for a couple of days afterwards. 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:36.000 So I'm assuming I'm making too much lactic acid somehow. 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:45.000 So I started taking baking soda baths, and I wondered if taking these baths with about two pounds 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.000 of baking soda per day is safe. 00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:52.000 Dr. Peat, did you hear that? 00:38:52.000 --> 00:39:04.000 Yeah, I think it's good. Salt, magnesium sulfate, epsom salts, and baking soda are all good. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:10.000 The baking soda helps you absorb magnesium if you have epsom salts mixed with it. 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:15.000 So that's a good combo, like maybe one pound baking soda and one pound epsom salts? 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:29.000 Yeah, and some experimenters in naturally carbonated mineral springs found that people were absorbing carbon dioxide 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:39.000 through their skin. Even though their body contains a lot of carbon dioxide, the body has such an affinity for it 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:49.000 that it will soak it up from the mineral water against the gradient. It's as if we had pumps in our skin. 00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:56.000 Because it's going from a high concentration, I mean a low concentration, to a high concentration. 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:06.000 Yeah, it's a matter of solubility. The enzymes turn from the bicarbonate into the gaseous carbon dioxide 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:11.000 form which dissolves in our fats and cells. 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:21.000 I can't actually remember the person that was talking about this, but it was in relation to a cancer treatment. 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:30.000 They were purporting the use of ascorbate at the rate of up to 130 grams a day. 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:38.000 It was 9 parts ascorbate and 1 part ascorbic acid. It was supposedly keeping certain types of cancer from growing 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:42.000 and actually causing some to regress. Do you know much about that? 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:48.000 Because it's vitamin C, but I understand the processing for these things is less than desirable. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:55.000 Yeah, they keep changing the technology. I don't know exactly what they're doing now, 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:07.000 but as recently as about 10 years ago, a free radical chemist dissolved a gram of pure powdered ascorbic acid 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:15.000 in a liter of distilled water and found that there were enough heavy metals in that purified vitamin C 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:23.000 to produce as many free radicals as a killing dose of x-rays would have produced. 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:29.000 Oh my goodness. So it's citrus season. That's a great source of vitamin C. 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:38.000 Yeah, all of our foods except grains and beans basically are very good sources of vitamin C. 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:49.000 The analytic methods have generally ignored it in meat and some of the solid foods like that, 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:56.000 but it's present in meats at a very high concentration in the oxidized state. 00:41:56.000 --> 00:42:07.000 All you have to do is metabolize and you turn the oxidized ascorbic acid into the common ascorbic acid. 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:16.000 So is that the theory why a concentrated orange juice still has absorbable vitamin C? 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.000 It's just a slightly changed form when you boil? 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:28.000 Yeah, and most of the tests don't really look at the molecule. 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:37.000 They just look at the reducing power, and in some vegetables and meats, for example, 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:46.000 the tissue has oxidized it partly into dehydroascorbic acid, but as soon as you eat it, 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.000 it turns back into ordinary ascorbic acid. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:56.000 Well, they say in Britain it was the fish and chips that prevented the British people from developing scurvy 00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.000 because potatoes have quite a lot of vitamin C in them as well, don't they? 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.000 Yeah, and fish. 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.000 And fish, right, and the fish. 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:12.000 All right, so how about, would you be to clarify a little what the people out there with, 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:17.000 unfortunately dealing with cancers who are reading things like, you know, 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:26.000 the problems with acidic states in the body and kind of getting confused about how exactly to do anything about it, 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:36.000 what would be the best way of maintaining enough energy in the body to deal with it, really, 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:40.000 I think in terms of not only making things acid, but not making... 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:48.000 The so-called alkaline ash diet, lots of fruits and vegetables, milk and cheese, 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:59.000 all of those are things that will help to let the stressed cancer cell repair itself as far as it can. 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:07.000 And things like breathing in a paper bag to increase the carbon dioxide are probably helpful. 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:16.000 As long ago as 1910, the insurance companies knew that people who lived at very high altitudes 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.000 had a very low cancer mortality. 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:28.000 And that has been tested experimentally 50 years ago, taking implanting tumors in rats 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:37.000 and leaving them near sea level, all of them quickly died, taking them up to 17,000 feet altitude, 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:44.000 half of them threw off the cancers and had no symptoms left. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:51.000 Just from the carbon dioxide retention when the oxygen retention was lowered. 00:44:51.000 --> 00:45:01.000 The carbon dioxide, one of its basic functions is to assure the delivery of oxygen to the tissues. 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:10.000 So, heavy breathing, hyperventilating is a way to lower the oxygen in your tissues 00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:17.000 because you blow out the carbon dioxide and you need a lot of carbon dioxide in your tissue 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:26.000 to deliver the oxygen, open up the blood vessels and let the oxygen circulate and be used. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:35.000 Okay. A little digression perhaps, but it's on a kind of anti-cancer path. 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:45.000 What do you think about Gerson therapy and what he was putting forward as a diet for anti-cancer? 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:54.000 I happened to get a copy of his book just a few years after he died in the mid or early 1960s. 00:45:54.000 --> 00:46:03.000 And I read it and was very impressed by his detailed studies. 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:09.000 I seem to have read just about everything about cancer in the first half of the 20th century. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:21.000 And so I tried to figure out how it was working and the minerals are a very important part of it. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:30.000 And restoring the oxidative metabolism, he regularly gave his people armor thyroid. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.000 I think two grains was a very common dose for his patients. 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.000 Okay. I have a question about thyroid. 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:46.000 If you say you took thyroxine and you took armor thyroid and you were suddenly without the ability to get armor thyroid, 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:52.000 how much of a mammal's thyroid would you need to eat in order to get the dose you needed? 00:46:52.000 --> 00:47:02.000 The armor product was standardized to imitate the fresh glandular weight. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:15.000 And so they would powder, defat the gland and powder it and then dilute it with glucose or lactic acid 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:26.000 or something to increase the weight and volume until it was similar to the fresh piece of gland before dehydration. 00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:32.000 And so they called that the normal dilution. 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:38.000 And the powder itself was called the 3X concentrate, 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:45.000 meaning that the gland is three times more concentrated than the old armor thyroid pills. 00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:58.000 And that means that one gram of the gland is equal to 15 grains of armor thyroid. 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:03.000 So one gram of the fresh gland is equal to 15 grains of the armor thyroid. 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.000 Yeah. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:08.000 Okay. We have another call on the line. 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.000 Go ahead. You're on the air. 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.000 Hi. I always enjoy the program. 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.000 This is Jeff Frider on the Mendocino Coast. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:19.000 And my question may sound flip, but Dr. Peat, I always listen to what you say 00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:26.000 and try to put together what you're saying in a question that I really am intrigued by. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.000 So I'll put it in these terms. 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:35.000 What would a double latte espresso, pink slime milkshake with baking soda, a tablespoon on the side, 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.000 do for an athlete's performance in the Death Valley race? 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:46.000 Would it enhance their performance or would it give deeper meaning to Death Valley? 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.000 It would need a lot of ice, I think. 00:48:50.000 --> 00:49:02.000 The caffeine tends to enhance performance in mysterious ways that no one has really figured out how it works. 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:08.000 But the gelatin has an antistress effect. 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:16.000 That mixture seems like it would be pretty good, the baking soda, gelatin content. 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:22.000 And you would need quite a bit of sugar with it, preferably fructose. 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.000 That actually brings up another question I have for you, Dr. Peat. 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:30.000 I know we've had several programs again, but I think the people that may have just tuned in and listened 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:38.000 have read that the cancers feed on sugar and you've got to starve a cancer from sugar. 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:51.000 Actually, they feed on amino acids and turn the amino acids into sugar and then turn some of the sugar back into fat 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.000 and then they metabolize the fat. 00:49:53.000 --> 00:50:03.000 And with all that silly chemistry, they produce a lot of heat with no light or no function to speak of. 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:10.000 That's why you can identify a cancer, because it's so hot, because it's burning protein, 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:15.000 turning it into amino acids and then into sugar and then into fat. 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:21.000 So is that why thermography is quite an accurate way at looking for cancers in the body? 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.000 Yeah. 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:30.000 So if you can feed it as much sugar as it wants, then it won't eat your protein, at least not so fast. 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.000 Okay. 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.000 So it could prevent the wasting disease associated with cancer then. 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:44.000 Yeah, and saturated fats aren't probably as good as sugar for quieting stress tissues, 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:48.000 but they do have specific anti-stress functions. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:57.000 So I would recommend avoiding all of the polyunsaturated fats, because those turn on the stress reactions, 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:06.000 increase your adrenal corticoids, adrenaline, pituitary hormones, and so on, 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:10.000 and while the saturated fats inhibit those same stress systems. 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:16.000 So just for our listeners, in case you're not aware of what the PUFA or the polyunsaturated fat is, 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.000 it's the liquid vegetable oils not including olive oil. 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:26.000 So everything but olive oil and coconut oil is the saturated fat that's very, very useful, 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:35.000 as well as beef and lamb fat if it was from an organic animal, and butter, of course, butter and cream. 00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:36.000 Okay. 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:37.000 I have another quick question for you. 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:43.000 I think there's going to be another caller here who's being attended to, but going back to the Gerson diet, 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.000 you mentioned one of the things that I've looked at and it kind of caught my attention, 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:54.000 because I know you've always been a great advocate of consuming liver from a vitamin point of view. 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.000 What was with the injected liver extracts? 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:05.000 Oh, that was a way to get all of the essential nutrients. 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:06.000 Right, okay. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:14.000 And around the time I read his book, I had been -- I met Leonel Strong, 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:22.000 who developed the cancer-prone strains of mice, who developed spontaneous breast cancer, 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:28.000 and he had been curing cancer just with an extract of liver. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:36.000 And that was my first research project was using to try to find out what it was in the liver that, 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.000 in these liver extracts, could cure cancer. 00:52:40.000 --> 00:52:45.000 But he also wanted to eliminate salt from a diet, too, 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.000 and that's a little bit of a strange one for me to get my head around, 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.000 because I know you're, again, an advocate of salt as actually a very good product, 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:58.000 rather than what modern dietary trends would have us think otherwise. 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:08.000 Another person who studied cancer at the very basic level was Frederick Coke, William Frederick Coke. 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:19.000 He, in working on the parathyroid hormone before he did his famous cancer preparations, 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:29.000 he found that the alkaline minerals, to a tremendous extent, would substitute for each other. 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:36.000 So you could, for example, cure -- you can take out the parathyroid glands, 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:46.000 which cause a calcium problem, but you could cure that with sodium or potassium or magnesium. 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:51.000 So the salt could replace the calcium or the potassium or the magnesium. 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:52.000 Yeah. 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:58.000 To a great extent, any of those alkaline minerals can replace the others. 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:08.000 You don't have to worry about the balance so much, because having an excess, your body can sort them out. 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:10.000 Well, that's a good fail-safe mechanism of the body. 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.000 I think we have another caller on the line. 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.000 And first I have a brief question for someone, because it's simple. 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:20.000 Can you simulate being at high altitude by eating a lot of baking soda? 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:26.000 Yeah, that's what the racers, bicycle racers, were doing. 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:27.000 In Death Valley? 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.000 Yeah. 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:37.000 When someone who lives at a high altitude goes to sea level, they very often get sick. 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.000 And vice versa. 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:44.000 Oxygen poisoning is really worse than deprivation. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.000 You recover quicker. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.000 We do have one more caller for you, Dr. Peat, so let's get this caller in. 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.000 Because we only have five minutes left before the end of the show. 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.000 You're on the air. 00:54:53.000 --> 00:55:00.000 Hi. I'm wondering, is this diet stuff you're talking about specifically for people with cancer, 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.000 or can regular people adjust their diet? 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:07.000 I'm vegan, and I'm looking for different sources of protein. 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:11.000 Well, potatoes are the best vegetable protein known. 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:15.000 They're better than eggs in terms of quality. 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.000 What's the best protein? 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.000 Potatoes. 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.000 Potatoes. 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.000 Potatoes are actually -- they have -- 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:27.000 more than 6% of the protein quality ranked next to egg yolk. 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:28.000 Right. 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:32.000 So eight ounces -- I think eight ounces of potato has eight grams of protein. 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:33.000 Oh, wow. 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.000 I had no idea. 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.000 I thought it was a carb. 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:45.000 When you're eating the starch, too, a liter of potato is like a liter of milk on average. 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:50.000 Yeah, if you make potato juice and don't drink the starch that settles out. 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:56.000 If you make potato juice, then it's more like eating pure egg yolk. 00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:03.000 And you can even make a scrambled egg-like preparation from potato juice, and it's quite tasty. 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:04.000 Wow. 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:09.000 And this would be healthy for the general public or for only people with cancer? 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:17.000 Well, I've seen that for people with mysterious ailments who seem to be dying, 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:21.000 and they have one or two meals and they just popped out of it. 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:28.000 No one really knew what was wrong with them, but I've seen it happen. 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.000 Okay, so what about the raw potato juice? 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.000 You'd recommend cooking it, right, Dr. -- 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:36.000 Yeah, I think there's someone who is now testing the raw stuff, 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.000 and he's going to tell me whether it made him sick. 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:45.000 My experience is with cooking it, like scrambling an egg. 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.000 Let the starch settle out before you cook it. 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.000 We are wrapping up. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:52.000 We have three minutes left before the end of the show. 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.000 Thank you very much. 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.000 You're very welcome. 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:55.000 Thank you for tuning in. 00:56:55.000 --> 00:57:00.000 Okay, let's leave it there, and let's let people know where and how to contact Dr. Peat. 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.000 So for those people that have heard this evening's show, maybe for the first time 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.000 or have heard Dr. Peat on the radio before, just a reminder, 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:16.000 his website is www.rayPeat.com, R-A-Y-P-E-A-T.com. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.000 Lots of scholarly articles there written by Dr. Peat, fully referenced. 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:25.000 And as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, he is open to being e-mailed. 00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:26.000 Is that right? 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.000 Yeah, good. 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.000 Okay, so there's the word from the doctor himself. 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:37.000 Okay, so for all of those people who have contributed by asking questions 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.000 and being part of the show, thank you so much. 00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:49.000 We can be reached for further questions on 707-986-9506 or toll free. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.000 On 1-888-WBM-ERB. 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.000 Yeah, so take a look at Dr. Peat's website. 00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.000 It's very useful information. 00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.000 It's not what you're going to find in mainstream, 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.000 and if you do find some of it in mainstream, 00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.000 you'll probably find it confused with some other erroneous information. 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:11.000 So go to Dr. Peat's website, and you can be guaranteed that he's done all the research for you. 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:16.000 Thank you for joining us, Dr. Peat, and thank you for all those callers. 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.000 Have a good night and see you in April. 00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:28.000 [Music] 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.000 And support for KMUD comes in part from Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup, 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:37.000 an anti-inflammatory, antifungal, antiviral medicine, no, antibacterial, 00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:40.000 and antioxidant as well, made without heat or ice. 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.000 Golden Dragon Medicinal Syrup is organic, edible, topical, cosmetic, and water-soluble. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:48.000 Information is available at goldendragonmedicinalsyrup@gmail.com 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.000 and by phone at 707-223-1569. 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:57.000 I'm just going to hang up on the callers here because I can't concentrate. 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.000 Okay, call back during Mark's show. 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.000 And KMUD programming is made possible by more than 150 volunteers 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.000 who provide programming, administrative support, fundraising, and governance. 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:14.000 If you would like to volunteer at KMUD, please call the business office at 923-2513. 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:23.000 It's 759. 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