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My name's Andrew Murray. 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.000 My name's Sarah Johannison Murray. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:01.000 For those of you who perhaps have never listened to our shows, which run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m., 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.000 we're both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:14.000 We run a clinic in Garberville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and recommend herbal medicines and dietary advice. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:21.000 If you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Garberville, 91.1 FM, and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:32.000 you're invited to call in with any questions, either related or unrelated, to this month's subject of genetics versus environmental predisposition to disease. 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:42.000 So the number here, if you live in the area, is 923 3911, or if you live outside the area, the toll-free number is 1-800-KMUD-RAD. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.000 That's 1-800-568-3723. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:56.000 Once again, we're very pleased to have Dr. Ray Peat on the show tonight, and from 7.30 on, people are invited to call in with any questions related to this show. 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.000 So, Dr. Peat, are you with us? 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:59.000 Yes, I am. 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.000 Okay, thanks so much for joining the show again. 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:10.000 I know we get requests fairly frequently from people who've listened to the show and very much enjoy what your opinion is, 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:17.000 and your scientific research is on some fairly static ideas in science. 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:25.000 And several months ago, we were on air last month, but I think it was in March, the beginning of March, a listener sent us an email, 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:31.000 very much appreciated your take on things, and also had a few suggestions, without being bold, 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:35.000 he just gave a few suggestions for things that he'd really like to hear your opinions on. 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:40.000 And they pretty much conform with tonight's subject. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:50.000 So, first of all, for those people who perhaps have never heard you, Dr. Peat, would you just briefly outline your academic career? 00:03:50.000 --> 00:04:05.000 I got a PhD in biology at the University of Oregon in 1972, but I had been reading in biology since the late 1940s, 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:18.000 and avoided academic study because I saw that strange things were happening that didn't seem at all scientific to me, 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:32.000 even as a kid, it was very clear that political doctrines were influencing biological theories. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:40.000 Okay, I've just very briefly been told by the studio director, we'll call him, 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:47.000 that all views and opinions expressed on this show are those of the speaker, not necessarily those of the radio station. 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:53.000 I think that's how it goes, isn't it? Good. Okay. So, thanks so much, Dr. Peat, for letting people know what your academic background is. 00:04:53.000 --> 00:05:00.000 Later on, we'll let people know how they can contact you through your website and/or ask advice further later on the program. 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:11.000 So, on to the question of the fairly dogmatic, entrenched view that genes, our genes, control everything. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:21.000 They control us and we are at the mercy of our genes, and to one degree or another, if we are genetically predisposed to a disease, that's it. 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Our future siblings, etc., etc., will be doomed, for want of a better word. 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:41.000 I know the article that I wanted to discuss with you, and I want your opinion on the current model versus very alternative, 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:48.000 very scientifically founded alternative ways of looking at biology and cells in particular. 00:05:48.000 --> 00:06:00.000 How you see the role of genes versus the environment. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:09.000 The federal government is really involved in the issue. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:25.000 I was sort of horrified when I discovered that the National Library of Medicine maintains an online version of a book called Mendelian Inheritance in Man. 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:37.000 I bought a copy for 50 cents at a used book store just for the humor of it, because it's just totally absurd stuff, 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:44.000 basing genetic determinism of a disease on two cases, for example. 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:55.000 A single family is enough to prove to the author of that book that there was genetic determinism involved, 00:06:55.000 --> 00:07:08.000 neglecting the possibility that both people in the family were exposed to the same chemical toxin, for example, or the same diet or whatever. 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:29.000 Just about the time I was starting to read biology was when the government was starting to get involved in helping the dogmatists control biological teaching. 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:48.000 Someone that I got acquainted with when he was very old, Carl Lindegren, wrote a book called Cold War in Biology that explained how the change took place in the 1940s. 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:58.000 People who didn't conform to the dogma weren't allowed to teach, even in high schools. 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:12.000 It was a very totalitarian institution with the government's involvement as a funding agency. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:28.000 The science journals being influenced by the pharmaceutical industry, for example, were big factors in outlawing the teaching of alternative views of inheritance. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:54.000 In the first half of the 20th century, the embryological view of development and inheritance was developing the definition of how the single cell becomes an adult. 00:08:54.000 --> 00:09:03.000 It does this by proceeding through many stages of different organizations. 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:28.000 The guiding principle for the first 50 years of the century was that a field was involved, a gradient field of chemicals or electrical forces or even other physical forces were assumed to be involved. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:57.000 They could demonstrate that there was a field effect in the sense that if you removed a part, the surrounding conditions constituted a force that would create a replacement part, regeneration, according to the place in the field rather than to what it had done up to that moment. 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:11.000 The idea of genes reading out as if from a blueprint mechanically was clearly disproved by the embryologists. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:31.000 The morphogenetic developmental field disappeared about 1960. The last advocates retired between 1950 and 1960. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:11:00.000 You think that a lot of the change or stagnation was brought around by vested interests in medicine and guiding the dogma of genetics to produce a controllable scenario where drugs can be introduced, targeted at specific proteins. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:25.000 The idea that genes create a disease, if you can't find a drug that will neutralize that gene's product, then you have something to blame it on and explain why the doctors are powerless. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:35.000 It's incurable if it's genetic unless the drug companies can come up with something to alleviate the symptoms. 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:53.000 The actual evidence of how genes relate to health is really just a complete fantasy. 00:11:53.000 --> 00:12:15.000 The idea of a gene in the 1930s to 1960s was recognized as a metaphysical construct, even less based on evidence than the idea of a field, even though they didn't know exactly what the elements of the field were. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:36.000 The idea of a gene was simply an abstraction until they applied the abstraction to the idea that there were certain stretches of DNA that they began calling a gene. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:51.000 The definition of a gene has been changing even since the recognition of DNA as a component of inheritance. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:13:04.000 Did they want to tell us that if they can't help us because there's no drug to help that disease, then it's just a genetic disease? 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:11.000 It takes the power out of the person to help themselves. If they have a genetic disease, people think there's nothing they can do about it. 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:20.000 That's the common way of thinking about it. Was that part of the motivation or do you think that was a subconscious byproduct? 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:37.000 A very conscious ideology. Conrad Lorenz, who won the Nobel Prize, was a hero of practically all of the professors that I knew, even in the 70s. 00:13:37.000 --> 00:14:02.000 He was a Nazi who designed his idea that genes control behavior, specifically for Hitler's Institute of Racial Hygiene as an excuse for killing people who didn't have the behavioral traits that they thought were appropriate. 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:15.000 It justified political and religious killings where the American view of eugenics had been mostly to sterilize. 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:27.000 Sometimes they would euthanize babies, but mostly it was used to sterilize people they considered defective. 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:42.000 That political idea of genetics derives right from the end of the 19th century. 00:14:42.000 --> 00:15:04.000 Mendel and August Weissmann were consciously trying to destroy the Darwinian or Lamarckian ideas that the environment might be able to improve the intelligence of poor people. 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:23.000 They wanted to have an absolute determinism that people of lower intelligence were simply permanently, their children would inherit their traits and so on. 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:38.000 At the worst, they could be killed or sterilized, but it was used to justify everything in society, not just particular sickness. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:58.000 For example, it was applied to the idea of toxemia of pregnancy. The fetus was said to have a genetic defect which was poisoning the mother, but of course the fetus had inherited it from the parents. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:13.000 It was denying that a better diet could control or prevent pregnancy complications because all of that was genetically determined. 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:33.000 The Scopes trial in which William Jennings Bryant argued against evolution, he was basically against eugenics which was justified by the theory of mechanical evolution. 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:52.000 You are listening to Ask Your Web Doctor on KMED Galbraith 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock you are invited to call in with any questions either related or unrelated to this month's subject of genetics versus the environment, the predisposition to disease. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:17:06.000 We are very pleased to have Dr. Raymond Peat to share his expertise on this subject. Dr. Peat, I was going to ask you next, how much do genetics affect the organism? 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:18.000 If we are told by medical people and scientists per se that genetics are all pervasive as a cause, what is your take on how much genetics affect the organism? 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:30.000 There are several diseases or conditions that are distinctly controlled by particular genes. 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:52.000 The type of dwarfism in which the bones don't develop, there is a definite gene mutation involved but that doesn't say that the environment hasn't created that mutation in a particular controllable way. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:07.000 One way of looking at genetic uniqueness is that every organism requires a certain environment. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:25.000 A frog can't live in the same place an eagle can live. Every organism needs exactly the right kind of environment. Certain genes make you need more things from the environment. 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:40.000 Even the genes that limit you, they can create a stress reaction and the stress reaction can lead to changes in the genes. 00:18:40.000 --> 00:19:06.000 The evidence has been accumulating now in American universities, Australian, among very well-known researchers, they've demonstrated that stress can produce directional changes in microorganisms 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:23.000 using mechanisms similar to what Barbara McClintock recognized in corn, mobile genetic elements that move around under stress and accelerate the ability to adapt. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:35.000 So our environment is constantly having an effect upon our DNA and our DNA and our cells are constantly sensing a change in environment? 00:19:35.000 --> 00:20:04.000 Yeah, James Shapiro, who was one of the people that discovered that bacteria can adapt to resist penicillin or antibiotics and that they can pass on that acquired resistance to their descendants or to other bacteria that they interact with so it can be transmitted. 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:25.000 Both genetically and horizontally as an acquired trait. Shapiro calls this natural genetic engineering in which the organism is adjusting its own inheritance to improve its survival. 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:39.000 Okay, so I guess let's go on to some diseases perhaps that are considered genetic by today's scientific thinking which are probably more environmental. 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:49.000 I know that things like the prion diseases and Huntington's chorea... 00:20:49.000 --> 00:21:12.000 Yeah, those are considered degenerative diseases as well as genetic and the fact that, for example, Huntington's disease typically becomes apparent as a problem when the person is maybe 40 years old. 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:26.000 They were perfectly healthy or even some people have said that they were healthier than average up until the disease set in at the age of 35 or 40 or 45. 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:47.000 When you look at the specific gene that they're talking about, in the case of Huntington's chorea, it's a protein that gets an extra inserted stretch of glutamine residues. 00:21:47.000 --> 00:22:16.000 This can change generation after generation so that the victim's offspring can develop it years earlier than the parent and it can change quickly from generation to generation indicating that something is actively contributing to the mutation. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.000 But the folding doesn't become a problem. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:41.000 You can have the gene for 40 years with no health problem at all and what's known to activate the folding problem that creates the symptoms, these are environmental things that have been accumulating over the decades of ordinary living. 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:48.000 These features are now coming to be identified. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:23:05.000 For example, the unsaturated fatty acids cause misfolding of the prions in CJD and mad cow disease. 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:21.000 Radiation and the polyunsaturated fatty acids are known to accelerate the misfolding of the protein making it act like an infectious thing that spreads from one cell to the next. 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:39.000 Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's, similar folding of proteins cause the symptoms and the factors that cause that misfolding are now being identified as environmental dietary factors. 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:53.000 And weren't you saying that even in a test tube when they add omega 6 oils to these proteins it encourages or stimulates the misfolding and the misshapen to occur? 00:23:53.000 --> 00:24:22.000 That's been done with prions and all the prion related diseases and in Parkinson's disease the protein is called alpha synuclein and the DHA long chain highly unsaturated fatty acid is known to induce the misfolding and saturated fatty acids can block the misfolding. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:40.000 So the evidence is now looking like it's related to an aging process since with aging the brain accumulates more and more DHA especially under the influence of estrogen. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:25:01.000 Women accumulate more DHA, circulate more of it in the blood and very typically with the degenerative inflammatory diseases women are more susceptible than men to several of the diseases. 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:21.000 And DHA is one of the omega oils that they tout as being so anti-inflammatory and so good for women, DHA and EPA, but what you're saying is that it actually works in conjunction with estrogen to be very destructive? 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:42.000 Yeah, it does several things. It breaks down and forms for example acrolein which is a very reactive fragment that attaches to for example the tau protein that is involved in the filament formation in Alzheimer's disease. 00:25:42.000 --> 00:26:11.000 And DHA activates the excitotoxic process, it increases the glutamate excitatory system, increasing the free glutamic acid in the brain fluid and in all of these brain degenerative diseases you can see increased breakdown 00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:25.000 products of basically the fish oil type of polyunsaturated fats in the cerebrospinal fluid and in many cases in the other body fluids, serum and such. 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:40.000 So everything from the short acrolein up to the larger prostaglandin like breakdown products of the polyunsaturated that are called isoprostanes and neuroprostanes. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:46.000 These show up increasingly with age and with dementia. 00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:54.000 So as a newborn infant their brains have very little DHA and EPA? 00:26:54.000 --> 00:27:23.000 Yeah, because their fats have been synthesized by their own bodies made mostly from glucose absorbed from the mother and the animal body can produce saturated fats and monounsaturated like oleic acid and our own series that are called the omega-9 series of unsaturated fats. 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:29.000 And at birth these are the dominant fats in the baby's brain. 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:43.000 And animal studies going back 30 or 40 years showed that if you feed pregnant animals a large amount of polyunsaturated fats their babies are born with smaller brains and don't learn as well. 00:27:43.000 --> 00:28:10.000 And a group in France two or three years ago basing their thinking on the addition of these fish oil type fats to baby formulas, they were looking at that argument that the brain is made of these and so they should help brain development. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:32.000 So they fed some pregnant women a high polyunsaturated fat diet hoping that they could demonstrate increased learning of the fetus by presenting sounds to the developing fetus and watching the learning reaction. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:45.000 And they found that their learning was retarded in the presence of the omega-3 fatty diet to the mother just in line with what the animal studies had shown. 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:57.000 So did they think that these oils were useful for the baby's brain because they did autopsies on adults and found that the brains had a lot of these oils in them? 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:11.000 They said your brain is full of fish oil so it must be good for the brain but looking at a baby's brain it's very low in babies. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.000 Well maybe they were looking at Alzheimer's brains. 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:29.000 Yeah exactly, the more demanded not only Alzheimer's but the other brain degenerative diseases and old brains in general have more than young brains. 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:40.000 OK you're listening to Ask Your Ab Doctor on KNED Galbraithville 91.1 FM from 7.30 which is right around now until the close of the show at 8 o'clock. 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:49.000 Callers are invited to pose questions either related or unrelated to this month's subject of genetics versus environmental predisposition to disease. 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:54.000 Our guest speaker is Dr. Raymond Peat and the lines will be open until 8 o'clock. 00:29:54.000 --> 00:30:00.000 Sarah did you, oh I think there's a caller actually so let's take this next caller. 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.000 Hello. 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.000 Hi you're on the air. 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:10.000 Hello this is, first of all I just want to thank Andrew, Sarah and the people you showed. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.000 I try to tune in every month because I learn a lot and I appreciate it. 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:21.000 I'm actually the person who suggested this show and I really appreciate you doing this topic. 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:30.000 It's something that's always interested me because I mean I've seen several doctors and I've never had a doctor ask me like what do I eat, what my diet is. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:39.000 Yet I've always had a doctor give me like weird looks when I told them that both my grandfathers died from type 2 diabetes and somehow it seems like now I'm destined to that. 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:43.000 There's no way that I can go about it you know it's just a matter of time. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:53.000 It's kind of weird to kind of think of it in that way and I guess. 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.000 Hello, are you there? 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.000 Yeah, yeah sorry. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:08.000 I guess my question to Dr. Peat would be that I had an argument with one of my professors in the university a couple semesters back and he basically said that there was a lot of evidence for the genetics. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:18.000 And one of the things he said was there was a lot of studies I guess from twins that were separated at birth and I guess they reconciled 40, 50 years later and they did different measurements and stuff. 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:27.000 And I was wondering how much of that would actually be genetic and how much of that could it be the shared intrauterine environment during the nine months of gestation? 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:36.000 That's basically an argument I've been making for a long time. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:53.000 There was a genetically oriented argument for the idea that working class people would never rise to the middle class because of genetic influence on their intelligence. 00:31:53.000 --> 00:32:16.000 I pointed out the evidence of the intrauterine environment and nutrition and the article that I was criticizing I think was 11 pages and the conclusions didn't even relate to the evidence they had presented. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:38.000 But the editors instead of just rejecting my two sentence rebuzzle sent it to reviewers to get their support for rejecting it and the only evidence they cited happened to come from Hitler's Institute for Racial Hygiene. 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:54.000 The evidence from animal studies is really clear that the twins have a very similar environment. 00:32:54.000 --> 00:33:13.000 They get basically the same nutrition and so if the mother's health changes from pregnancy to pregnancy the intelligence of the baby is going to be influenced according to what she was eating at the time. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:24.000 Animal studies show that this effect can be passed on for four generations at least. 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:52.000 Studies of people who were starved during pregnancy in Holland and Russia, not only were their babies impaired mentally but even their grandchildren showed impairment as a result of the conditions affecting the brain, the hormones, the whole physiology. 00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:59.000 So it's inherited but it's purely a physiological environmental thing. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:09.000 If they had a super supportive environment that could have been corrected and wouldn't be passed on from generation to generation. 00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:28.000 I was just wondering, so the mother's nutrition during gestation, would that also explain that huge variance that you see among people in the way that they can tolerate a poor nutritional diet? 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:48.000 What part does genes play into that? 00:34:48.000 --> 00:35:00.000 Thirty or forty years ago doctors were talking about the thrifty gene that caused some families to get fat on very little food. 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:10.000 But that's undoubtedly another example of the same kind of inheritance by gestational influence. 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:20.000 If you're starving, the fetus adjusts to a very poor diet and becomes thrifty. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:34.000 They've never identified a thrifty gene or a gene for diabetes but people go on talking about a gene for obesity and for diabetes. 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:46.000 When the country of Israel was formed, lots of immigrants came in from other parts of Africa as well as from Europe. 00:35:46.000 --> 00:36:00.000 The Europeans had a very high typically European rate of diabetes but the immigrants from poor countries had almost no diabetes when they immigrated. 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:06.000 After the first generation, only the Europeans were diabetic. 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:23.000 But after a second generation of living on a relatively abundant European style of eating, the immigrants' children were developing diabetes at the same rate as the European immigrants, 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:30.000 totally destroying the idea of genetic diabetes. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:37.000 The natural dogma is that it's because of the mixing and interaction of the genes among the people. 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:43.000 No, they were interbreeding. The immigrants didn't mix with the Europeans. 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.000 Oh, okay. Interesting. 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.000 Okay, we have another call. If you have any more questions, go ahead. 00:36:49.000 --> 00:37:02.000 Thank you very much for everything you guys do. It's great that this is being shared because the dogma that's going on, it lets people think that it doesn't matter what they eat or what they do. 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.000 I appreciate it and I know a lot of people do so thank you very much. 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:11.000 Well, we appreciate your suggestion for a topic and thank you for your call. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.000 Thank you. Okay, there's another caller on the air. 00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:29.000 Thank you so much. I wanted to ask Dr. Peat, I've been told I have cystic fibrosis and have tested positive, I guess, on the chloride sweat test a couple of different occasions. 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:49.000 I've also been told that this is some sort of malfunction in the sodium transport mechanism and I'm wondering whether he can enlighten myself as to the veracity of any of this or anything that he might be able to shed light on in this situation. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:38:10.000 For a long time, I've been interested in the mechanism of sodium transport and I've suspected that hypothyroidism is sometimes misunderstood and a diagnosis of cystic fibrosis is made. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:24.000 When I worked in the woods the first summer, we had a cook who was a fanatic for believing that if you worked hard and sweated a lot, you needed a salt replacement. 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:38.000 So he would put, I think it was something like a tablespoon of salt in everyone's breakfast and if you didn't eat your porridge that was horribly salty, you didn't get the rest of your breakfast. 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:47.000 Within a few days, I was tending to faint if I didn't take salt pills halfway through the day. 00:38:47.000 --> 00:39:07.000 My skin was so salty that I got crystals of salt on my forehead, eyebrows, glasses. It was actually just crystallizing pure sodium chloride. 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:18.000 I for sure would have been considered to have cystic fibrosis from the chloride coming out of my skin. 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:30.000 But it was simply an adaptation to my particular kind of thyroid metabolism and an extremely high salt intake. 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:46.000 Dr. Peat, do you have any suggestions that would be relevant to somebody with cystic fibrosis in terms of the main things at which environmentally could be changed? 00:39:46.000 --> 00:40:05.000 I think they should examine their thyroid function very thoroughly including measurements of their carbon dioxide, bicarbonate in the blood and exhaled carbon dioxide in the end of their exhalation. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:17.000 Because carbon dioxide is what actually regulates the movement of sodium and other minerals. 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:25.000 So a comprehensive metabolic panel would show the carbon dioxide in the blood but are you saying there are other tests you could do? 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:44.000 Probably if you look with a suspicion of hypothyroidism and endocrine involvement, I think you will probably most likely find the answer in that. 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:48.000 Thank you. Thank you so very much Dr. Peat. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.000 Thank you for your call. 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:50.000 Thank you for your call. 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:55.000 Okay, we've got a couple more callers on the line so let's take the next caller. 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.000 Hey, are you talking to me? 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.000 Yes, you're on the air. 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.000 Okay. 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.000 Can you turn the background music down? 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.000 It's not background music. These are the loud people that are also in the house where I am right now. 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.000 Sorry. 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.000 I can't turn them down. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:11.000 But I was also disconnected for a minute so I don't know what you guys were just talking about. 00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:26.000 But I heard you talking about carbon dioxide and I think in this context it's interesting to take note of the fact that shamans in this country and in South America use tobacco to connect with plants and plants want carbon dioxide. 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.000 We want oxygen from them. 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:34.000 So when you're blowing that tobacco smoke on the plant, it's actually like a chemical exchange that's happening there. 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.000 It makes genetic sense too. 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:44.000 But beyond this, really what I was calling about is because really I just wanted to say that you made a mention of field theory before versus like the concept of a gene. 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:51.000 And I think integrating field theory back into our understanding about these things would do a whole world of change. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:58.000 Like realizing that like your genetic code is really more like a field frequency that you can willfully affect. 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:04.000 That's like integrating holistic medicine that works energetically with your diet and stuff. 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.000 Like operating on both levels. 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:12.000 Like working your own kundalini flow, working that along with matching it up with your diet and proper herb intake. 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.000 Knowing all of these things. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.000 But really like the field theory concept is what makes way more sense. 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.000 You can have an effect. 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:29.000 It's a shame that that was the theory for the first half of, you know, for the first 50 years of this century and it didn't seem to carry on. 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.000 But the fact of the matter is that it's not just matter. 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:35.000 Field theory is what makes more sense. 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:38.000 Like science has got a little confused. 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.000 That's my opinion. 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.000 It's reductionist thinking versus more of a holistic. 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.000 Precisely. 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:50.000 But really where I'm coming from is saying that like what needs to happen is an integration of the two. 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.000 Realizing both are operative. 00:42:52.000 --> 00:43:00.000 So it can be both like your genetic frequency, like your inherent field resonance having its effect. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.000 Like on you regardless of what's going on around you. 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:08.000 Or alternatively like the external environment, those fields affecting you. 00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.000 It can go both ways. 00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:14.000 But then the big factor here is that to realize that you can have a willful effect on it. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.000 But those things are also debilitated by something like your chemistry. 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:25.000 Like if you're not eating enough, then your ability to like emanate energy enough to not be taken over by the energies all around you. 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.000 Like would be debilitated, like I said. 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.000 Okay. 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.000 Yeah, no, that's totally right on. 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.000 So that's all my battling. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:33.000 No more noise for you all. 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:34.000 I appreciate your call. 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.000 Thank you. 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.000 Okay. 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.000 We've got three more callers on the line. 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.000 The next caller. 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000 Hello? 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.000 You're on the air. 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:42.000 Hi. 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:52.000 My question for Dr. Peat was about, you've mentioned before on the show about hypothyroidism and the downward spiral I guess. 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.000 That it can lead to high estrogen and then high stress hormones, low thyroid, low progesterone. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:03.000 And you mentioned supplemental desiccated thyroid to get out of that cycle. 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:09.000 And I guess I'm just wondering, is that something that can work in the short term, like a few months, 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.000 and you get yourself out of that cycle? 00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.000 Or is that something you would have to continue for the rest of your life? 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.000 It would replace your natural thyroid. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:27.000 I've seen a few people who needed it just for a few days and it broke a stress cycle. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.000 And there have been published cases like that. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:40.000 But if your body is loaded with polyunsaturated fats, every time you get hungry, 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.000 these come into your bloodstream and interfere with the thyroid function. 00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:55.000 So the average person who is hypothyroid, maybe at the age of 20 or 30, 00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:08.000 their body is so well saturated with the antithyroid agents that it takes a couple of years of fairly strict diet 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:11.000 before they can get along without thyroid. 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.000 Okay. 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.000 And would the same thing go for if the problem with that was low progesterone? 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:25.000 Would the same thing happen there with some people needing only a few doses, I guess, 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.000 and you could get them out of that cycle? 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:35.000 That's much more frequent than the quick response to thyroid. 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:45.000 I've seen, I suppose, two or three hundred women who just needed one or a few doses of progesterone 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:52.000 to get out of the cycle and get going on their own without needing a supplement. 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:58.000 So I've always resisted the idea of talking about hormone replacement. 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:09.000 But very often, for example, one woman who since puberty had been very white-skinned with purple lips. 00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:13.000 It was just apparently her nature. 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:21.000 She put some progesterone on her hand, and I was explaining how it's absorbed through the skin. 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:28.000 A little later, she telephoned and said as she was leaving the house, she felt something happening. 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:35.000 And when she got home, she looked in the mirror, and her cheeks were pink, and her lips were red instead of purple. 00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:45.000 Weeks after that, when she visited her parents, the first thing they said was, "What happened to your color change?" 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:54.000 It had existed for about 18 years at that point, and in just minutes, 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:00.000 progesterone apparently permanently changed her physiology just one dose. 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.000 Thanks for that. 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:06.000 Thank you for your call, Caller. 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.000 Okay, I think there's two more callers on the line, so let's take the next caller. 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:11.000 Hi, Dr. Peat. 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:12.000 Hi. 00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.000 A couple of questions. 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.000 The first one relates to the earlier part of your show. 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:23.000 I saw a report, I think it was on KPIX out of San Francisco within the last six months. 00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:28.000 One of the major affiliates, and it was about eugenics in the U.S. 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.000 where there was a hospital in Sonoma, a so-called hospital, 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:40.000 where they took people whose parents may have been considered misfits for being tardy to school 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:46.000 or may have been involved in what was interpreted as prostitution, and they sterilized the kids. 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:54.000 And in this report, they said that Hitler actually used that as a model, this hospital in Sonoma, 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.000 for what he did that was even more evil, of course, than that. 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:02.000 Bad enough what they did here in the state of California for these young people whose fault it was, 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.000 none of theirs, what their parents had done. 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:11.000 Or if it was on their own, they were late for school and considered misfits for society 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:14.000 and didn't want those traced in the run and sterilized them. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:20.000 But I wondered if you had heard anything in what you had discussed earlier that was related to that school 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.000 and/or hospital in Sonoma. 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.000 Not that particular hospital. 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:32.000 I've seen it mentioned, but there were several hospitals doing that in the U.S. in the 1920s, 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:40.000 and American geneticists were the model for Hitler's eugenics program. 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.000 That's fairly well known. 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:55.000 The American Journal was called Annals of Eugenics, and it kept that name until 1954. 00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:05.000 Another journal was the Quarterly of Eugenics, and they kept that name until 1969. 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:19.000 Public recognition of their role in Hitler's sterilization and murder campaigns finally caused them to change their name. 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:24.000 It makes one wonder if tendrils of that don't exist to this day with what Congress, 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.000 especially the Republican Party, seems to be doing. 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:31.000 I'm not trying to blame either party here because I think they're all at fault, 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:38.000 but we see some of the stuff going on, whether taking that young college student who was a law student 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:44.000 and then what Rash, Lame, Brain, or Crush, blah, blah, or whatever that Squawk Show host's name is, 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:48.000 that really got what he deserved for saying that. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.000 My other question is completely unrelated to that. 00:49:50.000 --> 00:50:00.000 As you know, we're having an eclipse which enters and makes landfall in Humboldt County a little after 5 on Sunday, May 20th, 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:07.000 and it peaks between 624 and about 632, 634. 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:13.000 My question relates to if somebody does injure their eyes, and of course they should use the number 14 welders, 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:21.000 glass, or other approved observing techniques which you can obtain at telescope stores. 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:31.000 But if somebody does injure their eyes, is it possible to regenerate any kind of seeing with things such as beta carotene, 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.000 vitamin K, and the like? 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:45.000 Immediately when the exposure has happened in the first hour, red light, like seeing light through your eyelids, 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:53.000 can have a detoxifying effect on the heat damage. 00:50:53.000 --> 00:51:05.000 It stimulates circulation and lowers inflammation just to have mild red light exposure. 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:15.000 Anti-inflammatory things, aspirin and vitamin E, help to stop inflammation from such injury. 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.000 I think even though people shouldn't do that, sometimes they do. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:25.000 It's good to know preventatively what they might want to have on hand in case somebody overdoes it. 00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.000 I hope everyone enjoys that eclipse. 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.000 It's a really wonderful, unique opportunity. 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:36.000 Since Humboldt County honors the matriarch so well, and this eclipse is going over the arc of Humboldt County, 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:41.000 I'm referring to it as the She Clips. 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.000 I think that's appropriate here. 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.000 Okay, thank you for your call, caller. 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.000 Thank you for the show. Bye-bye. 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.000 Thank you. We do have two more callers, so let's see if we can squeeze them in. 00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:51.000 Next caller, you're on the air. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.000 Oh, hello. 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:53.000 Hi. 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.000 I just had two questions. 00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:03.000 The first one is, could you explain how salt affects the thyroid? 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.000 How what affects it? 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:06.000 Salt. 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:22.000 Oh, well, it stimulates cells to use oxygen, and it works with thyroid to rev up the oxidation of sugar, producing carbon dioxide. 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.000 So it's like speeding the metabolism. 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:25.000 Yeah. 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.000 So salt is okay. 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.000 And calcium. 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:32.000 So then if you had an overactive thyroid, it would be best not to eat salt? 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:42.000 No, not necessarily, because your body should govern your salt appetite. 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:49.000 You'll not have a salt appetite if you aren't losing salt fast enough. 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:58.000 I see. And the other question is, when you're talking about polyunsaturated oils, are you saying it's not good to eat nuts like almonds and walnuts? 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:03.000 Right. I think they're major problems. 00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.000 Okay, thank you. 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.000 Okay, thank you for your call, caller. 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:08.000 Do we have any more? Yeah. 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:12.000 Okay, let's keep going with the next caller. 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.000 Hello? 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.000 You're on the air. 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:15.000 Okay, thank you. 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:31.000 What I'm wondering is, when I tuned in to the show, you were talking about how bacteria inherit resistance to antibiotics, I believe, 00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:41.000 both horizontally and vertically, which suggests inheriting acquired characteristics. 00:53:41.000 --> 00:54:03.000 And so I'm wondering if you could comment on how that might refer or impact on, say, the work that Lamarck did in his studies of inheriting acquired characteristics. 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:14.000 Well, Charles Darwin was actually not an antagonist of Lamarck, and Darwin's grandfather was a Lamarckian. 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:22.000 And Darwin got his basic ideas from his grandfather, who was really a Lamarckian. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:44.000 And in the introduction to one of the editions of "Descent of Man," he made several points that he was not saying that it's just a matter of the inheritance of randomly mutated genes. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:55.000 He pointed out several other mechanisms of inheritance, but the anti-Darwinians were actually anti-evolutionists, 00:54:55.000 --> 00:55:12.000 who didn't like the idea that organisms could have a purpose or could be intelligent and respond reasonably to the environment in a way that could be passed on to their offspring. 00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:22.000 So the anti-Lamarckism was really associated with anti-true Darwinism, 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:30.000 and was a creation of late 19th century anti-evolutionists, 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:52.000 who became the basis for the neo-Darwinist movement, which is what suppressed this idea of a purposeful developmental field as being what is in charge of both expressing and organizing the genes. 00:55:52.000 --> 00:56:03.000 Okay, so all of this denunciation of Lamarck, I'm really thinking about this from having read Arthur Kessler's book "The Case of the Mid-White Coat," 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:13.000 and so all this suppression of Lamarck's work and his ideas, you're saying, is really dogmatic rather than real. 00:56:13.000 --> 00:56:21.000 Dogmatic, and even to the point of being irrational and unscientific. 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:27.000 It just makes no sense in things like Mendelian inheritance in man. 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:36.000 It's just like a cultish doctrine that doesn't have any basis anywhere. 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:40.000 Okay, great. Well, that's really good to hear. 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:45.000 That's what I've been thinking, that the scientific community is not there. 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.000 So, thank you very much. 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.000 Thank you, Paula. 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.000 Okay, well, we better not take any more callers. 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.000 We've just got a few more minutes here until we reach the top of the hour. 00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:02.000 I just wanted very briefly to quickly ask you, Dr. Peat, maybe in a minute or two, so we can let people know more about you. 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:13.000 I read a paragraph in your latest newsletter on inflammation that Zajacek had done experiments revealing a cell streaming in tissues, 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:23.000 normally thought of as static, and you brought out the example where he'd shown evidence that a similar transformation of function occurs in the pancreas 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:30.000 with the acina cells that normally produce the digestive enzyme or proforms. 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:43.000 The pancreas, like other tissues, is constantly regenerating, and it's just our bad, dangerous fats in the diet that is constantly killing off the insulin-secreting cells. 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:50.000 So, it's possible to regain insulin-secreting cells. That was the... 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.000 That's basically what Zajacek's research was showing, right, Dr. Peat? 00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:02.000 Yeah, the organism is in very vigorous replacement everywhere. 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:13.000 All the parts are turning over and in a very organized, meaningful way, doing its best to renew everything, 00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:20.000 including the things that are associated with diseases such as lack of insulin. 00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:28.000 And just for our listeners, to wrap up here for these oils that Zajacek showed were harming the cells in the pancreas, 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:38.000 basically polyunsaturated oils, if I can lump it all together, include every vegetable oil apart from olive oil, coconut oil, 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:46.000 and animal fats such as butter, beef, lamb fat, and any fat from a ruminant animal. 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:56.000 Okay, for those people that have enjoyed tonight's show, and Dr. Peat as always bringing his intelligent, scientific approach to seeing it differently, 00:58:56.000 --> 00:59:09.000 seeing it how it really is, his website is www.raypeat.com, and there are lots of fully referenced articles on many uniquely different approaches to regaining your health. 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:17.000 And he can be contacted there also. 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