WEBVTT 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:05.080 This free program is paid for by the listeners of Redwood Community Radio. 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:08.160 If you're not already a member, please think of joining us. 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:15.160 Thank you. 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:23.320 Welcome to this month's Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name's Andrew Murray. 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.920 My name's Sarah Johanneson Murray. 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Once again 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:37.360 we're very welcome to have Dr. Raymond Peat to share his expertise on the 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:38.360 subject tonight. 00:01:38.360 --> 00:01:42.160 Again one of those subjects related to something that he 00:01:42.160 --> 00:01:45.880 has a lot of experience with through his research into 00:01:45.880 --> 00:01:49.400 thyroid and progesterone 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:52.440 other related compounds 00:01:52.440 --> 00:01:55.800 that are essential if you like for 00:01:55.800 --> 00:02:00.000 healthy metabolism and for anti-stress anti-aging effects. 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.040 So thanks so much for joining us 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.440 again this month Dr. Peat. 00:02:06.440 --> 00:02:10.920 So I think as usual we want to give the benefit to those listeners perhaps who 00:02:10.920 --> 00:02:12.160 haven't heard of you or 00:02:12.160 --> 00:02:16.000 haven't tuned into this show before the benefit of your 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:20.320 past experience so if you wouldn't mind just detailing your academic 00:02:20.320 --> 00:02:21.920 professional career to those people. 00:02:21.920 --> 00:02:25.880 After I had taught linguistics and 00:02:25.880 --> 00:02:30.840 English and such for a while I decided to go to graduate school in biology 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:34.120 at University of Oregon and 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:38.520 graduated there with my PhD in 1972 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:43.880 with specializing in physiology and biochemistry especially 00:02:43.880 --> 00:02:47.600 reproductive physiology and right after I 00:02:47.600 --> 00:02:51.720 left university I worked for a while with the 00:02:51.720 --> 00:02:55.520 diet company counseling people in weight loss. 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.600 So that was 41 years ago. 00:02:59.600 --> 00:03:03.880 Yeah. Okay well hopefully we're going to cover quite a lot of material here tonight 00:03:03.880 --> 00:03:08.040 I know the subject surrounding tonight's topic of 00:03:08.040 --> 00:03:12.200 weight gain or how to avoid it and what causes it etc etc will be pretty 00:03:12.200 --> 00:03:15.320 pertinent to a lot of people even if they're not overtly overweight. 00:03:15.320 --> 00:03:19.280 So I think one of the main things just to 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.320 let people know about apart from anything else is that 00:03:23.320 --> 00:03:28.720 you do actually have a pretty active Facebook fan page Dr. Peat whether you 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:30.080 know it or not I don't know but 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:33.520 it's an active repeat 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:37.240 Facebook fan page for those of you who are familiar with Facebook and 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:40.720 use it that's something perhaps you might want to look at this pretty 00:03:40.720 --> 00:03:43.760 lively debate and forum surrounding 00:03:43.760 --> 00:03:48.120 most of those topics that we've covered with Dr. Peat over the last few years. 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.600 So I think one of those things that has come out 00:03:51.600 --> 00:03:56.360 of the forum and I know it's something that we've noticed ourself 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:00.320 but that's not to say that it's unavoidable because it certainly is and 00:04:00.320 --> 00:04:02.320 that's going to be the discussion of tonight's show. 00:04:02.320 --> 00:04:05.800 I think one of those things that people 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.840 are asking each other on the Facebook page 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.240 is how people can adopt your diet 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.640 and not expect any weight gain. 00:04:15.640 --> 00:04:18.920 I know the thing that most people have talked about 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.640 is some extra weight around the abdomen 00:04:22.640 --> 00:04:26.600 in relation to your specifications for diet. 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.440 So Sarah what would you say? 00:04:30.440 --> 00:04:33.520 I just think that's quite a broad statement. 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:36.880 You can't say that people adopt Dr. Peat's diet because 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:41.280 you know if we say milk is good for you 00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:44.640 and you go and you start drinking a half a gallon of whole milk a day 00:04:44.640 --> 00:04:49.080 you're going to put on weight unless you basically cut out all other calories. 00:04:49.080 --> 00:04:53.760 This is where I think people get confused like how much milk should I drink 00:04:53.760 --> 00:04:59.160 and if I don't want to gain weight should I drink whole milk or low-fat or you know. 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.960 The same with cheese too. 00:05:02.960 --> 00:05:07.160 I advise eating cheese because of its high 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:12.600 calcium and protein content but you have to consider the calories because 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:16.080 some cheese has practically no fat 00:05:16.080 --> 00:05:20.000 others are basically like soft butter 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.720 for their fat content. 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.040 Dr. Peat I guess what I wanted to start off with first then 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.680 was asking you this. One of the main 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:34.640 components to weight management then is a functional energy reserve 00:05:34.640 --> 00:05:38.760 coupled with a healthy metabolism and this is your expertise so 00:05:38.760 --> 00:05:42.720 would you outline perhaps what constitutes a healthy metabolism in 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:43.440 terms of 00:05:43.440 --> 00:05:48.080 what we know is glucose oxidation versus the opposite the fatty acid 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:48.880 metabolism 00:05:48.880 --> 00:05:53.200 that occurs with stress so our listeners can tell the difference. 00:05:53.200 --> 00:05:59.000 Dr. Peat just to say that you've told us before that if somebody has an unhealthy 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:02.920 metabolism they'll have a hard time burning 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:07.240 1200-1000 calories a day. 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:10.960 About 30 or 40 years ago in which 00:06:10.960 --> 00:06:14.880 doctors used to follow the textbook standard that 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:18.160 everyone can lose weight 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.600 if they eat less than 1700 calories a day 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.880 because that was studied in the 20s or 30s 00:06:25.880 --> 00:06:29.200 on healthy people and so they 00:06:29.200 --> 00:06:34.080 put a group of women who claimed that they were gaining weight on 1000 00:06:34.080 --> 00:06:34.720 calories 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:39.080 put them in a closed ward and actually counted how much 00:06:39.080 --> 00:06:42.960 food they were eating and some of them could maintain their weight on 00:06:42.960 --> 00:06:46.920 700 calories a day especially women who had 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:51.440 dieted a lot because several adaptations 00:06:51.440 --> 00:06:55.680 happen to chronic poorly balanced 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:58.720 dieting. The thyroid slows down 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.160 and especially the muscle tissues 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.400 atrophy from the stress of dieting 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:08.680 and if you think of the stress metabolism 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:12.200 as being very similar to 00:07:12.200 --> 00:07:15.480 the diabetic metabolism 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.000 basically you shift over to burning 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:23.120 fat rather than sugar. 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.320 At rest your brain 00:07:26.320 --> 00:07:29.400 and red blood cells need sugar 00:07:29.400 --> 00:07:32.960 and they'll keep burning it 00:07:32.960 --> 00:07:37.960 regardless of where they have to get it. If you don't eat enough 00:07:37.960 --> 00:07:42.480 of the necessary nutrients 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.080 your body will convert your muscles to sugar 00:07:46.080 --> 00:07:50.280 to keep feeding your brain what it needs and 00:07:50.280 --> 00:07:53.360 if you are eating enough sugar 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.960 or things which can be turned into sugar 00:07:56.960 --> 00:08:01.120 then your body doesn't have to break down its own tissues 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.320 to make the necessary glucose for your 00:08:04.320 --> 00:08:08.440 blood cells and brain and in that condition 00:08:08.440 --> 00:08:12.440 your muscles at rest don't require 00:08:12.440 --> 00:08:15.760 practically any glucose. They can do fine 00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:20.600 on a pure fat diet but that's the resting muscle. 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:24.320 If your muscles are under stress 00:08:24.320 --> 00:08:27.760 after a very intense exercise the muscles 00:08:27.760 --> 00:08:30.800 will begin burning almost pure sugar. 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.200 So it's the 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:38.120 massive muscle at rest 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.680 which will burn fat calories 00:08:41.680 --> 00:08:45.080 and leave the protein 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:48.160 for your functioning tissues 00:08:48.160 --> 00:08:51.520 and sugar to sustain your essential 00:08:51.520 --> 00:08:56.120 brain and immune system. So this is why you're an advocate 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:00.720 of muscle building because then it helps convert your 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:04.720 fat into, well it helps your body to burn the fat for 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:07.920 fuel rather than just using the sugar. Yeah and 00:09:07.920 --> 00:09:11.640 when the muscle is stressed it begins 00:09:11.640 --> 00:09:15.360 actually producing estrogen. 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:19.040 When you're building muscle in a safe way 00:09:19.040 --> 00:09:23.000 the muscle begins producing testosterone 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:27.360 actually right in the muscle which helps the rest of the body. 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:30.840 The heart is one of the main targets 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:34.400 of testosterone. 00:09:34.400 --> 00:09:38.240 So well-developed skeletal muscles 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.440 are actually sustaining the heart muscle 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:45.880 as well as the brain and the lungs which need the stabilizing 00:09:45.880 --> 00:09:49.280 anti-inflammatory steroids. So is this why 00:09:49.280 --> 00:09:53.000 they find that when there's muscly people that they have 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.120 longer lifespans? One of the reasons you think? 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:59.200 Well yeah everything that 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.800 tends to kill you shrinks your muscles. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:06.360 Fragility is the basic thing that 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.440 associates with aging. Bones and muscles 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:12.760 go away at about the same rate with aging. 00:10:12.760 --> 00:10:16.160 Okay so getting back to 00:10:16.160 --> 00:10:19.560 what you've started to outline under 00:10:19.560 --> 00:10:23.000 what would be regular metabolism for the body to burn 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.480 glucose preferentially rather than 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.920 liberating free fatty acids to produce energy. 00:10:29.920 --> 00:10:35.440 The diet starvation type model would then force your body 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:40.120 into utilizing stored fats for energy. Is that correct? 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:43.960 Except when it does that it also 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:47.640 needs to make some sugar for your brain 00:10:47.640 --> 00:10:51.680 and so it breaks down the tissues. The first to go 00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:55.040 is your thymus which in just a few hours 00:10:55.040 --> 00:10:58.200 they used to think that adults 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:02.240 didn't have a significant amount of thymus tissue because 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:06.480 they looked at people who had died after being sick 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:12.200 and even if you die slowly after a traumatic accident 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.440 your thymus is gone. It just takes a few hours of intense 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.600 stress for the thymus to be dissolved and so a long fast 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.880 will just completely devastate your thymus 00:11:24.880 --> 00:11:28.120 tissues. It turns into sugar very quickly. 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:31.960 That's important for your immune system right? Yeah and 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:37.160 the skin is relatively dispensable too in the long run 00:11:37.160 --> 00:11:41.640 so your skin atrophies very quickly with a fast 00:11:41.640 --> 00:11:45.520 or even a low calorie diet and 00:11:45.520 --> 00:11:48.640 then the muscles go, you can live 00:11:48.640 --> 00:11:52.840 months on your muscles providing sugar for your brain 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:56.640 if necessary if you have big muscles. 00:11:56.640 --> 00:11:59.840 Lots of the women that I used to see 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.960 who were there for a weight loss diet 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:08.120 you couldn't find a bicep muscle 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.200 or a calf muscle. They couldn't 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:15.360 they would try to tighten their muscle and they couldn't feel or find 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.400 anything either in their upper arm or 00:12:18.400 --> 00:12:21.960 lower leg. The muscle was 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.960 maybe the size of a person's index finger. 00:12:25.960 --> 00:12:29.040 So when they would first start 00:12:29.040 --> 00:12:32.600 eating a good diet, the first thing that would happen 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:36.200 would be pounds of water loss. 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:40.440 Their tissue would suddenly come out of the stress 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:44.320 condition and get rid of some of the stored water. 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:48.240 Then the muscle would start growing. The first week they might lose 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.840 10 or 15 pounds of water. 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:55.120 For about a month they would start putting on weight 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:59.880 as their muscles began growing. 00:12:59.880 --> 00:13:03.240 Muscles are denser than fat, right? 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.400 A slender person with a well-defined muscular structure 00:13:06.400 --> 00:13:10.640 would weigh more than a larger person that seemed large through 00:13:10.640 --> 00:13:13.800 fat. Yeah, we would have people 00:13:13.800 --> 00:13:17.280 measure their waist and thighs and hips 00:13:17.280 --> 00:13:21.480 and each week they would get smaller as they gained weight. 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:25.800 Okay, as they started leaning and toning up 00:13:25.800 --> 00:13:29.640 they shrunk in volume or they increased in mass. 00:13:29.640 --> 00:13:33.960 So what about 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.400 athletes and you know like long-distance runners, people that are very 00:13:37.400 --> 00:13:42.720 thin and lean? How healthy would you say their metabolism is? 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.040 There was a study 00:13:46.040 --> 00:13:50.160 of using radioactive testosterone and 00:13:50.160 --> 00:13:53.240 they not only saw that 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:57.240 the runners' muscles were atrophied 00:13:57.240 --> 00:14:00.600 but comparing them to weightlifters who had developed 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:06.160 huge skeletal muscles, with these isotopes they could make a picture of 00:14:06.160 --> 00:14:06.560 their 00:14:06.560 --> 00:14:09.880 heart, lungs, and brain and so on. 00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:12.920 All of their tissues had atrophied 00:14:12.920 --> 00:14:17.760 so that the lean long-distance runners also had 00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:21.240 lean, flabby hearts, very thin hearts. 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.440 And here that's supposed to be 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.760 a heart-healthy form of exercise. It's a stereotypical picture of health, 00:14:28.760 --> 00:14:32.040 kind of Kenyan long-distance marathon runner. 00:14:32.040 --> 00:14:35.920 You know a lot of things happen. Fertility is often 00:14:35.920 --> 00:14:38.920 reduced because the testosterone goes down and the 00:14:38.920 --> 00:14:42.720 very immediate thing that you can see in 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.960 even fairly low-intensity exercise 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.560 is that the lungs lose 00:14:49.560 --> 00:14:54.800 some of their ability to diffuse oxygen in and carbon dioxide out. 00:14:54.800 --> 00:14:58.520 The actual substance of the lung 00:14:58.520 --> 00:15:02.400 air sac thickens with just a 00:15:02.400 --> 00:15:05.920 fairly moderate amount of continued exercise. 00:15:05.920 --> 00:15:09.520 Is that an inflammatory process that's causing that? 00:15:09.520 --> 00:15:14.200 Yeah, it's a kind of edema, mild inflammation. 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.360 And sports anemia 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:21.000 is a recognized thing. It's a combination of 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.280 all of those little stresses and 00:15:24.280 --> 00:15:27.520 shift away from the anabolic 00:15:27.520 --> 00:15:31.840 testosterone to the... females are always 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.040 relatively anemic because of the influence of 00:15:35.040 --> 00:15:38.360 the balance of estrogen relative to the 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.280 androgens. And sports anemia 00:15:42.280 --> 00:15:47.560 is somewhat like the feminizing effect of estrogen on the blood system. 00:15:47.560 --> 00:15:51.520 So the long-distance runner has a 00:15:51.520 --> 00:15:56.160 deformed heart and deformed lungs basically compared to the body builder. 00:15:56.160 --> 00:16:01.440 Yeah. Okay, well let's hold it there for a second. You're listening to Ask Europe, Doctor on 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:06.640 KMUD Galbraithville 91.1 FM and from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock 00:16:06.640 --> 00:16:10.440 you're invited to call in with any questions either related or 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.680 unrelated to this month's subject of weight loss. Our guest speaker here is Dr. Raymond Peat 00:16:15.680 --> 00:16:19.600 and from 7.30 until 8 we'll be open for questions. 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:22.920 But Dr. Peat, moving on a little bit then in 00:16:22.920 --> 00:16:26.080 a tangent direction, are some people 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:30.520 more predisposed to this kind of inefficient 00:16:30.520 --> 00:16:33.680 glucose oxidation from other courses like 00:16:33.680 --> 00:16:37.400 I know you've mentioned PUFA a lot or cortisol 00:16:37.400 --> 00:16:41.240 dominant type pictures? 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.960 Yeah, lots of things can interfere with 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.440 your higher rate of metabolism. Things that 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.800 suppress your thyroid are the basic 00:16:51.800 --> 00:16:54.920 most common thing but anything that can 00:16:54.920 --> 00:16:58.400 increase your cortisol 00:16:58.400 --> 00:17:02.040 or even your glucagon can 00:17:02.040 --> 00:17:06.160 interfere with your metabolism, slow down your metabolic rate. 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.680 Serotonin, 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:13.200 estrogen for example, both lower 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:17.160 your body temperature and many 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.640 stresses can increase those and 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:24.760 those tend to increase the glucagon, shift you away from 00:17:24.760 --> 00:17:28.200 being able to oxidize 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.720 the glucose and instead depend on 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:36.280 fatty acid oxidation. So sluggish digestion could increase 00:17:36.280 --> 00:17:41.240 estrogen and serotonin and radiation could increase 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:42.520 estrogen and serotonin? 00:17:42.520 --> 00:17:46.400 Yeah, the bowel is one of the ways 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:49.760 to get rid of unneeded estrogen 00:17:49.760 --> 00:17:54.480 by way of the liver excreting it and if your bowel is sluggish 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:58.240 you reabsorb it and if your bowel is 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.040 irritated and sluggish it secretes 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:05.040 much more serotonin than needed 00:18:05.040 --> 00:18:08.400 which affects your whole hormonal system bringing up the 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.840 stress hormones and contributing to lowered 00:18:11.840 --> 00:18:14.960 temperature. So eating carrots 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.000 with vinegar or lemon juice or just carrots 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.680 and taking liver herbs like cascara and dandelion root 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.040 milk thistle can help with sluggish bowels? 00:18:25.040 --> 00:18:29.080 Yeah, and just eating 00:18:29.080 --> 00:18:32.720 what you consider to be the most delicious food 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.680 can greatly help the intestine 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.720 secrete more juices so 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.040 things digest faster and move along more smoothly. 00:18:42.040 --> 00:18:46.720 So enjoy your food? Hopefully we can enjoy our food and 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:49.800 and hopefully it's not enjoying pufas which is fried 00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:53.920 whatever. As long as it's not fried in a coconut 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:57.160 oil then it's bad for you. 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.080 Okay, so let's get back to where we were at the beginning 00:19:02.080 --> 00:19:06.160 in terms of people mentioning that they can't help but 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:10.120 gain a bit of extra mid-weight and I think what we're 00:19:10.120 --> 00:19:13.600 coming around to is that exercise and muscle building 00:19:13.600 --> 00:19:18.320 however small or however gentle, however gradual is one of the most important 00:19:18.320 --> 00:19:18.920 things 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:24.720 when adopting a typical diet that would certainly replace all the nutrition 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.320 that a person needs. I know your diet does that. 00:19:27.320 --> 00:19:31.560 So in terms of gentle muscle building 00:19:31.560 --> 00:19:35.720 how do you advocate that to happen say in a 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:39.320 sedentary 60-year-old lady 00:19:39.320 --> 00:19:42.280 perhaps? Just doing an occasional 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:45.560 knee bend, squatting and standing up again 00:19:45.560 --> 00:19:48.600 and maybe getting some five 00:19:48.600 --> 00:19:51.720 pound dumbbells and 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.920 lifting those in different motions. Just a few lifts 00:19:55.920 --> 00:19:59.960 two or three times a day 00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:03.000 and when you're doing that maybe squat 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:07.880 once or twice. Right, because it really is about being actively involved 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.960 in generating muscle 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:16.200 however gently or however lightly the weight or the exercise would 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:21.560 involve. Okay, because you're saying essentially that muscle 00:20:21.560 --> 00:20:25.320 in its own right effectively burns 00:20:25.320 --> 00:20:29.240 glucose and the very presence of muscle with the increase 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:33.560 in testosterone will actually improve the metabolic rate. 00:20:33.560 --> 00:20:37.040 Now another 00:20:37.040 --> 00:20:41.080 direction then, you've mentioned 00:20:41.080 --> 00:20:45.080 earlier on that 00:20:45.080 --> 00:20:48.680 you said, and this is for the guys I think 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.560 preferentially because they probably have more of a chance to see this, but 00:20:52.560 --> 00:20:57.200 you mentioned foaming urine as being an indicator of 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:00.920 an excess excretion of steroid hormone 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:04.720 precursors and being a sign of stress. 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:08.080 Well, yeah, in the morning 00:21:08.080 --> 00:21:11.520 you have generally been exposed to 00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:15.320 several hours of darkness and 00:21:15.320 --> 00:21:18.440 darkness is very stressful. 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.280 Just staying indoors too much 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:25.360 gives you chronic stress from the absence of light 00:21:25.360 --> 00:21:28.800 but everyone in the morning is at their peak 00:21:28.800 --> 00:21:32.200 of being exposed to 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.560 stress hormones from the darkness and 00:21:35.560 --> 00:21:39.800 during stress like starvation 00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:42.840 the hormones first 00:21:42.840 --> 00:21:46.600 try to mobilize energy 00:21:46.600 --> 00:21:50.120 production and that during the night involves 00:21:50.120 --> 00:21:54.000 increased free fatty acids. It's sort of like 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:57.040 doing a little marathon during the night 00:21:57.040 --> 00:22:00.920 as far as the shift to fatty acids goes 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.360 and your liver if it's well 00:22:04.360 --> 00:22:07.960 nourished and supplied with thyroid hormones will 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:11.240 process steroids such as 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.480 estrogen and cortisol which 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.960 reach it, the liver will attach 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:21.440 either sulfate or 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:24.760 sugar, glucuronic acid to make it 00:22:24.760 --> 00:22:28.560 water-soluble so that then it can leave in the 00:22:28.560 --> 00:22:31.680 bloodstream to the kidneys and be excreted. 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.200 And in that attached to 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:38.840 either the sulfate or the sugar 00:22:38.840 --> 00:22:42.200 it's like a soap. 00:22:42.200 --> 00:22:45.600 It's oily at one end and water-soluble at the other 00:22:45.600 --> 00:22:49.280 and so it makes foam. And during the night the 00:22:49.280 --> 00:22:52.720 fatty acids can be processed in the same way 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:57.760 and the liver especially recognizes 00:22:57.760 --> 00:23:00.840 the unsaturated fatty acids but 00:23:00.840 --> 00:23:04.360 whatever arrives during the night 00:23:04.360 --> 00:23:07.360 is likely to contribute to that morning foam. 00:23:07.360 --> 00:23:11.720 Okay, so I know you mentioned the liver's ability in 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.040 storing glucose for the night time 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:18.080 diet, fast if you like, 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:22.000 for the eight hours that we don't eat. So given that a person's consuming 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.960 adequate sugars during the daytime to stock their liver 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:28.160 for the night time fast 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:32.880 or given that the person would, as we recommend, and I know that you've 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:36.040 been an advocate and suggestion of this, that they're 00:23:36.040 --> 00:23:39.800 eating a small amount of ice cream at night time before bed or they're taking a 00:23:39.800 --> 00:23:43.200 glass of orange juice to bed with them to sip on whenever they wake up to 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:47.800 get a little bit of sugar so that their adrenaline is kept down and their 00:23:47.800 --> 00:23:48.600 night time 00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:52.280 stress response doesn't occur. Do you think that is that still possible for 00:23:52.280 --> 00:23:53.280 somebody to have 00:23:53.280 --> 00:23:56.920 foaming more morning urine in the presence of 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.000 sugars during the night time? 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:05.360 The stress always occurs but if you're sleeping 00:24:05.360 --> 00:24:08.520 soundly and deeply there's less 00:24:08.520 --> 00:24:14.440 intense damage from the stress. So if you stayed awake in the dark 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.960 you would probably have 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:21.200 super foamy urine in the morning. 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:24.840 And this is something else, perhaps during the daytime if 00:24:24.840 --> 00:24:28.920 some of the guys notice what's happening with them during the day 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.520 this again would be another indicator of 00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:37.400 insufficient sugars to block adrenaline and other stress hormones and that their 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.560 system is reasonably stressed. Yeah I think so. 00:24:40.560 --> 00:24:44.200 And what about for females? Same thing. 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.680 This is not as obvious. I'm only saying it because of 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.040 how obvious it is. 00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:54.200 So going on to 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:58.040 the shift in 00:24:58.040 --> 00:25:02.480 fat content or fat makeup that you advocate from 00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:06.320 are the recommendations that our listeners have heard over the last few years 00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:11.400 in terms of increased saturated fats, switching to butter, coconut, 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.200 palm oil, excluding all the liquid oils 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:19.560 as sources of PUFA. 00:25:19.560 --> 00:25:23.080 I know you've mentioned in the past that the 00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:27.240 need to avoid PUFA is pretty paramount 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.160 if you really want to make a change in your physiology but 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.640 I think you've also said that it's very difficult to 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:39.000 avoid it totally because you're naturally going to produce some. 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.680 Well the natural foods 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:46.320 milk, beef, lamb, coconut, 00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:49.520 oil and so on, these all have 2 or 3 percent 00:25:49.520 --> 00:25:53.240 unsaturated polyunsaturated fats. 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.800 If you eat just a tiny bit more 00:25:56.800 --> 00:26:00.080 then you're going to burn 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:03.720 right away. Some of it gets stored 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.080 in your fat tissue and what is stored is 00:26:07.080 --> 00:26:11.800 preferentially polyunsaturated fats. Your body recognizes 00:26:11.800 --> 00:26:15.800 that the good stuff to burn right away is the saturated fat 00:26:15.800 --> 00:26:18.960 right after the sugars. 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.360 So it selectively doesn't burn 00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:25.680 the polyunsaturated fat quickly 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.920 and so it's the most likely to be stored but then your fat 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:33.280 is the same way. Fat cells prefer to burn 00:26:33.280 --> 00:26:36.600 saturated fat and so whatever you've 00:26:36.600 --> 00:26:40.680 stored in your fat by eating more than you needed 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.480 over time your fat cells 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:50.040 use up the percentage of the stored saturated fat 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:54.480 and increase the percentage of the stored polyunsaturated fat so that 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.520 as you get older and fatter or even if you don't get fatter 00:26:58.520 --> 00:27:02.600 as you get older your fat tissue becomes more polyunsaturated 00:27:02.600 --> 00:27:06.480 so that each time you get hungry or 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:09.680 stressed and draw on your fat stores 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:13.880 for energy it is more 00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:17.360 anti-thyroid and more pro-estrogenic 00:27:17.360 --> 00:27:21.520 because of its increasing polyunsaturation 00:27:21.520 --> 00:27:25.960 with time. So with a common recommendation of 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.440 this is a common recommendation I make is include three tablespoons of coconut 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:31.720 oil in your diet a day 00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:36.720 but of course if we're talking about someone who only burns 700 calories a day 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.960 would you still make that same recommendation to do three tablespoons 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.440 of coconut oil? No, more like a small teaspoon three times a day. 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:49.560 Right, so I think basically what our listeners and we have to keep in mind is that 00:27:49.560 --> 00:27:54.040 everybody's metabolism is at a different rate and if someone's eating a 1200 00:27:54.040 --> 00:27:57.400 calorie a day diet and it's like perfect and they say I can hardly 00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.720 anything well that's probably because they're only burning 700 and 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:04.040 they just keep gaining weight on 1200. 00:28:04.040 --> 00:28:07.920 Alright so 00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.680 is there any way then perhaps for those people who probably 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:16.560 we're talking about right now to be able to assess their metabolic rate given that 00:28:16.560 --> 00:28:18.400 that is what is driving 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.480 how well they do or don't lose weight? 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.840 One way is just to look everything up in a 00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:30.240 food analysis chart and measure the amount of 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:34.360 calories you're eating every day but another way is to 00:28:34.360 --> 00:28:38.400 calculate or take note of 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.680 the fluid that you drink, milk, juice, 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.480 coffee, total volume of 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.960 fluid intake in a day and measure the 00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:52.480 total volume of urine output in the same 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.320 period of time and the difference is what's evaporated 00:28:57.320 --> 00:29:00.560 and in an average 00:29:00.560 --> 00:29:04.560 level of activity and average relative humidity 00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:08.000 a person will generally evaporate a liter 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:12.640 per thousand calories burned. So if you have 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:17.840 only a missing liter of fluid in the day you know you're only burning a thousand 00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:18.440 calories. 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.320 So if someone gets a half a gallon of fluid a day 00:29:22.320 --> 00:29:25.720 and they only pee out say 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.720 a couple cups 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.360 then you know that they're very 00:29:32.360 --> 00:29:37.040 their system is very low thyroid. 00:29:37.040 --> 00:29:40.920 Well yeah. I mean sorry very high thyroid. 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:45.040 A pint out of two liters that's a 1500 calorie 00:29:45.040 --> 00:29:49.200 burning so that's not very much 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:54.280 either. Right but if somebody drinks a half a gallon and they practically pee 00:29:54.280 --> 00:29:57.720 you know. A quart and a half that's 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.880 very bad. Bad ratio. 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:05.400 And a half a gallon that would be about two liters? Yeah. 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.400 I just thought we might want to remind listeners that it is 730 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:12.680 and the phone lines are open if people want to call in and have any questions 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:13.720 about the subject tonight. 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:17.680 Or any other subject that they're interested in 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:21.200 relating to the. Thank you Jordan. 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.920 Okay so excuse me I know you also 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:29.240 are very keen that females and males 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.680 do everything they can to limit their exposure 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.440 to estrogen for all its negative effects. 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.560 Estrogen dominant females this is something else that you 00:30:40.560 --> 00:30:44.920 brought out that it's not you don't always take it for granted that 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.320 estrogen dominated dominant females would be 00:30:48.320 --> 00:30:52.720 overweight with those what we typically imagine is estrogen 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.240 tendencies but actually you could get a slender 00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.520 slender woman based on the same 00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:02.920 the same conditions with estrogen. In the animal studies 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:05.960 they've seen that estrogen 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.840 excites some of the 00:31:09.840 --> 00:31:12.920 metabolic processes while slowing 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.000 others down and it can make the animals 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.080 hyperactive 00:31:20.080 --> 00:31:23.720 but very slender and 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.800 in people it there are 00:31:26.800 --> 00:31:30.880 cases where it can do that same thing it can make 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.280 a woman tense very hyper 00:31:34.280 --> 00:31:38.920 active and over sensitive and very skinny 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.520 but it can do the other it can turn on 00:31:42.520 --> 00:31:45.680 the stress metabolism while it 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.960 slows the metabolism lowering the body temperature for example 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:54.240 and that can lead to 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.560 excess fat storage. And that's the same in men as well 00:31:58.560 --> 00:32:02.280 excess estrogen can make some men very thin and excess estrogen can make some men 00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:06.640 overweight. Is there any surefire way of 00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:11.560 differentiating one condition in the two separate 00:32:11.560 --> 00:32:15.920 physical pictures? No 00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.480 nothing that I'm... 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.080 Do you know what the 00:32:23.080 --> 00:32:26.920 the biological preference is for driving 00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.960 driving in one or the other direction? 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.000 No. Okay alright 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.640 I had to ask but I'm sure there's something more 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.040 you'll bring out in a bit. We've got two callers on the line Dr. Peat so let's 00:32:42.040 --> 00:32:46.120 take the first of the two callers. You're on the air? 00:32:46.120 --> 00:32:50.640 This is David, hello. Hi David. Where are you calling from tonight David? 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.200 Yeah I think that's the other thing I want to bring everyone's 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:59.600 attention. Let's find out where everyone's from. I am from Missouri 00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:02.920 Missouri. And I've 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.320 actually talked to Sarah a few times and emailed 00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:09.920 and emailed Dr. Peat. I really appreciate this show by the way 00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.440 I've listened to these podcasts. I've downloaded every podcast that you've done 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.440 You're very welcome. And that's what I listen to when I drive 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.080 and I just sometimes I've listened to several of these 00:33:22.080 --> 00:33:25.560 over several times. And there's a lot in there. It takes a while to unpack it. 00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:29.840 Oh yeah I know it's just amazing how it seems like each week that goes by I just understand this 00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:31.720 more and more at a deeper level and I just 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:35.960 I love it. Well iPods are useful then. 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.680 Absolutely. And we're very grateful for Dr. Peat. I've got two 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.640 different sets of questions that still pertain to everything you've talked about tonight 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:47.200 One is I have a fairly weak 00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.280 left knee and so I've been kind of experimenting with using 00:33:51.280 --> 00:33:56.200 a rebounder. I've got two different types. A more soft one and then one that's 00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:00.800 a little bit firmer. And I kind of go back and forth between the two. I do very light 00:34:00.800 --> 00:34:04.040 you know just bouncing and then 00:34:04.040 --> 00:34:08.280 also running in place or jogging. And I usually try to do that 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.280 you know like three to five minutes and I do that several times to the day if I'm at 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:13.280 home working 00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.520 I'm just curious what you think of that. 00:34:16.520 --> 00:34:19.800 Dr. Peat? 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.240 I don't know if there's much benefit to the 00:34:23.240 --> 00:34:26.800 bouncing. It does strengthen your bones I guess 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.200 the compression and concussion 00:34:30.200 --> 00:34:34.800 but something that builds more massive muscles 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:39.360 stress even though it isn't 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.880 fatiguing just 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:47.320 resistance training in little bursts I think 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.280 would help to raise your androgens and strengthen the connective tissues 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.680 That was one of the questions I was going to ask you Dr. Peat. So just using like different weights 00:34:56.680 --> 00:35:00.040 and not doing too much stress but 00:35:00.040 --> 00:35:04.880 trying to do a certain amount of repetitions where you're just strengthening 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:05.480 the muscles 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.800 that is a good thing to do. Yeah make the muscle 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.880 know that it's been active 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.920 warm it up a little but not enough to make you 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:20.560 get out of breath or anything. And then what do you feel about just doing basic yoga 00:35:20.560 --> 00:35:24.680 you know like doing different postures and holding those postures where you're 00:35:24.680 --> 00:35:26.280 actually holding the muscles in a 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.480 semi-stressed state but then relaxing it 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.120 Yeah that kind of stress is good for the muscles 00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:36.920 Okay and then the other thing I wanted to ask you about you know I've 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.280 I've been using the 250 watt 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.640 bulbs that you had recommended and I've got three of those and I use those in 00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:49.120 different places around the house because I'm a photographer I have light 00:35:49.120 --> 00:35:52.520 stands so it makes it kind of easy to move them around but 00:35:52.520 --> 00:35:56.160 I'm curious you know because you've talked about the 00:35:56.160 --> 00:36:01.160 stress of darkness before you you know after the sun goes down and as you go into 00:36:01.160 --> 00:36:02.520 the evening before you go to bed 00:36:02.520 --> 00:36:05.520 do you think it's useful to use those 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:10.600 right before going to bed like say for 15 minutes to a half hour and then maybe 00:36:10.600 --> 00:36:14.600 when you arrive in the morning maybe doing it for a half hour like while you're 00:36:14.600 --> 00:36:15.960 drinking your coffee or 00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.080 I think so and I'm basing that on some 00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:24.160 studies that were done on plant tissues about 00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:27.680 30 or 40 years ago they found that 00:36:27.680 --> 00:36:32.440 any kind of tissue put in sunlight or ultraviolet light 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.800 got some excited free 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:39.480 radicals or excited electrons and 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:42.920 shining red light on those 00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.360 would just immediately quench 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.720 those that had been excited but 00:36:49.720 --> 00:36:54.120 if you keep living tissue in the dark 00:36:54.120 --> 00:36:57.160 it starts building up 00:36:57.160 --> 00:37:01.400 more of those excited electrons over a period of 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:05.160 30 minutes or so you can 00:37:05.160 --> 00:37:08.320 see an increase in them. Wow that's great 00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.640 okay and then just one last question is 00:37:11.640 --> 00:37:16.000 dreaming a sign that you're having a certain degree of stress through the night 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.000 rather than being in a deep sleep where you're not remembering your dreams when 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:20.000 you wake up in the morning 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.960 and when you wake up in the middle of the night? Yeah the metabolism 00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.560 has these cycles the 00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:30.920 24-hour cycle is the basic thing but it is 00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.160 subdivided into roughly 90-minute cycles 00:37:34.160 --> 00:37:38.840 of ups and downs where the blood sugar and the adrenaline 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.240 everything is mobilized 00:37:42.240 --> 00:37:45.520 a little bit and 00:37:45.520 --> 00:37:49.560 if your liver is running short on 00:37:49.560 --> 00:37:53.520 fuel the cycles become 00:37:53.520 --> 00:37:56.760 more intense and the dream cycles 00:37:56.760 --> 00:38:00.520 go with drops in the blood sugar 00:38:00.520 --> 00:38:04.240 and surges of the nerve chemicals 00:38:04.240 --> 00:38:07.520 such as adrenaline. 00:38:07.520 --> 00:38:10.680 So if you were having a really great dream 00:38:10.680 --> 00:38:13.800 that was exhilarating and you felt really good about when you woke up 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.920 would that still be the case because it's actually 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:20.000 causing you to awaken? 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:23.040 Yeah except that's probably that 00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:26.960 your whole system recognizes that 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.760 it has been rested and it's time to get up and eat something 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.920 and that's often why you have dreams 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:38.760 in the early hours in the morning because that's when you run out of sugar at that point. 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.800 Yeah that makes sense. 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:46.680 What were you going to say Dr. Peat? If your body is well rested from 00:38:46.680 --> 00:38:50.040 six or eight hours of sleep then the dreams are likely 00:38:50.040 --> 00:38:53.080 to have a very pleasant quality 00:38:53.080 --> 00:38:57.640 getting ready to go out and do something. It's preparing you to wake up 00:38:57.640 --> 00:39:01.160 as opposed to the nightmares. 00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:04.800 Yeah as opposed to the 1am nightmares. 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.640 So that means that your body is really stressed out and it's 00:39:08.640 --> 00:39:11.720 not getting what it needs. Thank you so much for your call. 00:39:11.720 --> 00:39:16.080 Thank you. Okay we've got two more callers so let's take the next caller. 00:39:16.080 --> 00:39:20.400 Hi and where are you from? Yeah I'm calling from Piercy. 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.480 Okay just down the road. 00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:27.600 I turned the radio on just in the midst of 00:39:27.600 --> 00:39:32.080 the subject about urinating 00:39:32.080 --> 00:39:35.680 and taking in fluid. 00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:41.440 My question is if you take in a half gallon of fluid a day 00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.480 and you pee out most of that 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.560 is that healthy or is that unhealthy? 00:39:49.560 --> 00:39:52.600 It shows that you're not evaporating 00:39:52.600 --> 00:39:56.240 very much so in an extremely humid 00:39:56.240 --> 00:39:59.680 climate that wouldn't be so bad but 00:39:59.680 --> 00:40:04.720 if you're indoors and have a relative humidity of about 50 00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:08.120 then it means that your metabolism is 00:40:08.120 --> 00:40:12.880 slow and not producing much heat. 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:16.960 I see. So you want a certain amount of evaporation 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.240 when the 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:23.320 atmosphere is in fact dry. 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.400 Yeah very healthy like 00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.680 12 to 15 year old people 00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:32.840 burn fuel very wastefully 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:38.320 but that's when people are the least likely to die is when they're wasting 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:42.240 fuel like crazy. So basically 00:40:42.240 --> 00:40:46.040 when you say least likely to what? To die? To die yeah 00:40:46.040 --> 00:40:49.840 around 12 to 15 people are the healthiest and 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.080 most resistant to stress. 00:40:54.080 --> 00:40:58.040 So Dr. Peat. It's not based on wasting fuel though is it? 00:40:58.040 --> 00:41:01.520 Yeah it looks like a waste to eat 00:41:01.520 --> 00:41:04.920 thousands of calories a day when you're not doing anything but it's 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:10.920 good for you. I see. So a fast metabolism is that what you're saying? 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.000 Is it a healthier metabolism? 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.600 Yeah the wasteful energy metabolism. 00:41:16.600 --> 00:41:19.560 Gotcha. 00:41:19.560 --> 00:41:22.640 To answer another question caller 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:28.480 if you burn or evaporate half of what you drink so you pee out the other half 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.640 that's pretty much normal in our climate. 00:41:31.640 --> 00:41:34.960 Wouldn't you agree Dr. Peat? If you drink 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:40.280 maybe three quarts of liquid. And you pee out a quart and a half? 00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:43.200 Yeah. 00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:47.400 I see that would be about an average norm. 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.920 Right because we don't have that high humidity like they do in the South. 00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:54.280 Okay. 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.440 So you say that we don't have the high... oh okay gotcha gotcha 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.880 especially during the summertime obviously. Even drier. 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:06.000 Yes. Alright. Real good. Thank you. Thank you for your call. 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.720 Alright let's take the next call. Hi you're on the air? Hello Dr. Peat. 00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:16.880 I'm reading... oh this is a fascinating show. Thank you so much. 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.040 Where are you from caller? I'm Southern Humboldt. 00:42:20.040 --> 00:42:23.400 Okay. I'm reading that one 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.400 side effect of anti-anxiety and antidepressant 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:32.040 drugs is weight gain. Do you know how this works or do you know 00:42:32.040 --> 00:42:36.280 how these drugs work at all? 00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:40.120 If they increase your exposure to serotonin 00:42:40.120 --> 00:42:43.680 or decrease your adrenaline they'll 00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:47.600 slow your metabolic rate and 00:42:47.600 --> 00:42:52.440 make it harder to burn calories. 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.480 Yeah that's interesting. Okay. Thank you so much. 00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:59.000 And you know just how... 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.840 I'm reading also that they don't really... 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.040 there's no conclusive studies as to 00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:10.840 relating a low serotonin level with any 00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.560 mental state. 00:43:14.560 --> 00:43:18.440 So anyway... Yeah they're not even sure how those 00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.600 SSRIs work anyways. Now they're saying that it really doesn't have much to do 00:43:22.600 --> 00:43:23.520 with serotonin. 00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:26.960 Yeah and they don't have a very good 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:32.360 way of describing the topography of the receptors and all of that. 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.960 So if you can elucidate 00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:39.200 any on that I would appreciate it. 00:43:39.200 --> 00:43:43.120 I'll just hang up now and listen. Thank you for your call. 00:43:43.120 --> 00:43:47.320 So Dr. Peat I guess the last question was 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.880 how are these antidepressants making people feel better 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.520 if it's not... if they are... if it has nothing to do with serotonin 00:43:55.520 --> 00:43:59.600 increasing or decreasing or anything at all with serotonin? 00:43:59.600 --> 00:44:03.120 They all work in slightly different ways. 00:44:03.120 --> 00:44:07.040 So you have to think about each one 00:44:07.040 --> 00:44:11.320 individually. Maybe we should 00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.400 have a special time to go over 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.120 some of those specific chemicals. 00:44:18.120 --> 00:44:23.280 Okay that sounds great. Okay well thanks for the call as it has been. 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.080 Okay so the lines are open. 00:44:25.080 --> 00:44:29.360 From now until 8 o'clock if you live in the area numbers 1 800 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.520 KMUD Rad. If you live outside the area 00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:37.880 the numbers 923... I beg your pardon if you live outside the area the numbers 1 00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:41.800 800 KMUD Rad. If you're in the area it's 923 3911. 00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.800 Okay so Dr. Peat 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.920 just carrying on with the topic of 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.600 the ideal diet that I know you've suggested before 00:44:52.600 --> 00:44:57.240 which I know Sarah deals with quite a lot of people with this and you're 00:44:57.240 --> 00:45:01.520 mentioning the quart of OJ. Do you want to mention 00:45:01.520 --> 00:45:05.960 what you would normally be recommending? Well if you were... if Dr. Peat 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.360 would recommend something like a quart of orange juice, a quart of milk a day 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:15.240 and you wanted to lose weight, I mean you wouldn't have much room for anything else 00:45:15.240 --> 00:45:19.240 if you only burn 700 calories a day. Well 00:45:19.240 --> 00:45:22.320 if you use 1% butterfat milk 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.080 that's only 400 calories 00:45:26.080 --> 00:45:29.280 per quart where 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.360 whole milk would be almost twice that much. 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.600 And one of the tricks 00:45:36.600 --> 00:45:41.120 of orange juice is that there are some good chemicals 00:45:41.120 --> 00:45:45.320 in it which are anti-astrogenic 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:49.560 and some other fruits, tropical fruits 00:45:49.560 --> 00:45:52.680 are some of 00:45:52.680 --> 00:45:56.120 the anti-estrogens are very important 00:45:56.120 --> 00:46:01.040 for the metabolism as well as the 00:46:01.040 --> 00:46:04.680 minerals and type of sugar and such. 00:46:04.680 --> 00:46:07.800 So there's compounds you're saying in OJ even? 00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.840 Yeah. That are anti-estrogenic? 00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:15.600 Yeah and with milk it isn't just the protein but the calcium 00:46:15.600 --> 00:46:18.680 is very important as an 00:46:18.680 --> 00:46:21.840 anti-inflammatory, anti- 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:26.240 stress, anti-depressant 00:46:26.240 --> 00:46:30.720 and so on. People who eat the same 00:46:30.720 --> 00:46:34.080 number of calories without milk 00:46:34.080 --> 00:46:37.720 are much more likely to be fat than the people 00:46:37.720 --> 00:46:40.920 who are regular milk drinkers. 00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.880 Why don't you tell us about your experience when you were in 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:48.640 Finland I think it was, Finland and Russia? 00:46:48.640 --> 00:46:52.000 Well, in 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.200 Russia and Slavic countries in general 00:46:55.200 --> 00:46:58.640 I found that there was really no 00:46:58.640 --> 00:47:02.880 reliably good milk in the cities 00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.440 and the people all had bad teeth 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.480 and were fat. 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.840 And food was very cheap but milk 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:17.080 was scarce and probably proteins in general 00:47:17.080 --> 00:47:20.920 weren't as cheap as the average food. 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.240 But crossing over the border into Finland 00:47:24.240 --> 00:47:27.320 it was very impressive to see 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.600 how many stores had 00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:34.600 displays of cheese in the window. 00:47:34.600 --> 00:47:39.160 And the people were all healthy looking and slender 00:47:39.160 --> 00:47:43.840 compared to the other side of the border. Well we noticed the same thing in France. 00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:48.480 You go to France and everywhere they all eat cheese. 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:52.480 And for the most part they're all very slender. So I guess what you're saying is that 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.560 400 calories from orange juice is not 00:47:55.560 --> 00:48:01.720 comparative to 400 calories from baked potatoes and rice. 00:48:01.720 --> 00:48:05.600 Definitely not. It stimulates your metabolism and suppresses 00:48:05.600 --> 00:48:09.920 the stress hormones. Whereas 400 calories from baked potato and rice would 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.040 increase your stress hormones and suppress your metabolism. 00:48:14.040 --> 00:48:18.120 Yeah. Then there's the matter of the starch particles. 00:48:18.120 --> 00:48:22.280 If you don't have some saturated fat with them 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:25.920 the starch particles can set up a whole 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.840 pattern of stress and injury by entering your bloodstream. 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.040 Which people 00:48:34.040 --> 00:48:39.240 taking supplements should be very careful to avoid anything with particles 00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:41.800 such as titanium dioxide or silica. 00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:45.920 Those are very allergenic particles that are in 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:50.200 all supplements practically. And those things getting into the bloodstream 00:48:50.200 --> 00:48:53.520 trigger the stress hormones and obesity is 00:48:53.520 --> 00:48:59.360 the least of the things they contribute to. Okay we've got a few more callers on the line 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.160 Dr. Peat. So let's take this first caller. 00:49:01.160 --> 00:49:05.960 You're on the air and where are you from? Hello? 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.880 Hello you're on the air and where are you from? I've been trying to lose some weight 00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:14.040 and I've been weighing myself periodically 00:49:14.040 --> 00:49:18.680 at night time as well in the morning. And it seems to me that I'm 00:49:18.680 --> 00:49:23.080 I lose about five pounds of weight sleeping. 00:49:23.080 --> 00:49:27.680 Some nights I've noticed I've urinated. Sometimes 00:49:27.680 --> 00:49:31.920 I haven't urinated. It seems always about the same about five pounds. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.080 And I'm wondering where this five pounds goes 00:49:35.080 --> 00:49:39.080 if it's with heat and if there's a relationship 00:49:39.080 --> 00:49:43.000 between being cold at night 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.400 and warm at night. Whether you lose more weight in 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:50.840 cooler climates than you would in warmer. Even though warmer 00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.160 climate people seem to be thinner than cooler climate people. 00:49:55.160 --> 00:49:58.640 It depends on how you respond to the cold. 00:49:58.640 --> 00:50:02.880 Some people steam up 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.920 the windows of the bedroom so the window 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.960 runs water down and 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.960 collects at the bottom of the window sill 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:18.160 in the morning. Those are people who lose a lot of weight by evaporation during 00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:18.760 the night. 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.240 You can see the water collecting on the cool 00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:27.040 surfaces. And then people in warmer climates 00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:30.720 are warmer so their metabolism stay up during the night. 00:50:30.720 --> 00:50:33.840 And they probably are thinner because of that, right Dr. Peat? 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:38.280 Yeah. When your body temperature drops 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:43.240 in the night because you're slowing it down to resist the stress. 00:50:43.240 --> 00:50:46.360 But if you reach a certain temperature 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:50.760 you turn on the inflammatory stress-producing 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:56.480 hormones and so you get not only the darkness but the cold 00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:00.360 extremities causing stress. 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.400 It's better to be comfortable if you're actually 00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.000 trying to shed weight. It's better to be comfortable at night, correct? 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:12.040 Yeah. Okay. So that's reaching the low temperatures you mean, Dr. Peat? 00:51:12.040 --> 00:51:15.160 Yeah. If your feet 00:51:15.160 --> 00:51:19.960 reach 90 degrees Fahrenheit, they're producing 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.280 toxic stress-inducing substances. 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.200 So don't run around barefoot with cold feet. 00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:30.960 We're always telling our nieces that. Always make sure to get the socks on. 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.200 I know my grandma's always... That's incredible. 00:51:34.200 --> 00:51:38.640 Here it is. An advocate for keeping your feet warm when you get out of bed. 00:51:38.640 --> 00:51:41.760 Cold head. Yeah. Well, cold head and cold feet. 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:46.400 Some people taking a warm foot bath at bedtime and then putting on 00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.400 warm socks 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.600 and a wool cap sleep a lot better. 00:51:50.600 --> 00:51:55.120 Okay. We have two more callers. So thanks for your call, caller. 00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:59.120 It's a lot. Hi, next caller. You're on the air? 00:51:59.120 --> 00:52:02.400 I'm here. Hello? Hello, I'm here. 00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:07.400 Hi. Where are you calling from? 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.560 Is that me? Yes, it's you. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from 00:52:10.560 --> 00:52:15.080 Phillipsville. Phillipsville. Okay. That's 15 miles up the road. 00:52:15.080 --> 00:52:18.600 Okay. Go ahead. Well, there's a couple of questions I had. 00:52:18.600 --> 00:52:22.200 One, I'm curious. In the beginning, you said something about 00:52:22.200 --> 00:52:26.520 eating food that tastes delicious to you, was good for you, but you didn't say what 00:52:26.520 --> 00:52:27.720 foods those were. 00:52:27.720 --> 00:52:31.760 It varies with the person, but 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.040 you should try to avoid the 00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:40.920 things that affect your metabolism harmfully, like starches and polyunsaturated 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:41.520 fats. 00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:45.400 And some plant materials 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.000 are toxic. But otherwise, 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.200 just what appeals to you... Is it good to eat whole grains like brown rice and millet? 00:52:53.200 --> 00:52:56.720 No, there's almost nothing of value in those. 00:52:56.720 --> 00:53:00.840 Even if it's not processed? 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.680 I don't mean like white rice. Well, the white rice 00:53:04.680 --> 00:53:09.080 is relatively free of irritants and toxins, 00:53:09.080 --> 00:53:12.480 but it has very little of food value in it. 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:17.160 Well, I thought brown rice had a lot of vitamins and fiber and things that were good for you. 00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:21.160 Not compared to, say, orange juice. 00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:25.960 How about ice cream? You know, a good ice cream that doesn't have chemicals in it, like 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:27.080 Haagen-Dazs or something. 00:53:27.080 --> 00:53:30.360 Is that good for you or not? I mean, it's got high calories. 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:33.560 Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to lose weight, then I wouldn't recommend you eat ice cream. 00:53:33.560 --> 00:53:37.280 But if you're not trying to lose weight, you're happy with your weight, and you're 00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.360 having trouble sleeping, it can help a lot of people 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.720 go to sleep. Milk and sugar is a bad food combination. 00:53:42.720 --> 00:53:46.800 Uh-huh. I heard that... No, I wouldn't agree with that at all, Jordan. 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:52.280 If you have, like, some cheese or a small glass of milk or something, that there's something 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:53.880 in that that helps you sleep? 00:53:53.880 --> 00:54:00.000 Yeah, milk contains a good balance all in itself, because it has some 00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:05.960 fat, some protein, and some sugar. Well, I don't drink milk, but I do put half and half in my coffee in the morning. 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:06.760 Does that count? 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.360 I didn't hear that. 00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:15.960 I said I don't usually drink milk by itself, but I put half and half in my coffee in the morning. 00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.480 Does that count? 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.680 Well, no, that's mostly cream. 00:54:20.680 --> 00:54:25.040 Well, and that's not good? I mean, it's fats, cream, and milk. 00:54:25.040 --> 00:54:32.920 Well, it's okay if it goes with other food, such as protein and sugars. 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.800 Now, you mentioned orange juice a lot, but what other fruit juices? 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:45.080 I tend to really enjoy other fruit juices, like berry juice and peach juice and carrot juice and 00:54:45.080 --> 00:54:51.160 cherry juice and all kinds of different juices, you know, that don't have sugar in them. 00:54:51.160 --> 00:54:55.440 And I tend to drink them like half diluted with water, so they're not so strong. 00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:02.040 But I've had people tell me that it's not good for me because it has too much sugar in it and too many calories. 00:55:02.040 --> 00:55:07.360 So what do you think about juices other than orange juice? 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.560 Many juices are good. 00:55:10.560 --> 00:55:17.920 It's the minerals and antioxidants, as well as the sugar that are important. 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:27.040 But grapefruit juice, for example, has a chemical that causes your liver to increase estrogen in the body. 00:55:27.040 --> 00:55:35.760 Oh, no, I don't mean grapefruit juice. I'm thinking of, you know, like apricot juice, peach juice, berry juice, grape juice, those kinds. 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:44.320 Grape juice is very good as long as you consider the calories. It has more concentrated calories than orange juice. 00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:48.920 Some tropical fruits are very good. Guava, for example. 00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:50.560 Mango. 00:55:50.560 --> 00:55:59.440 Carrot juice is another one that should be avoided, except in small amounts because of the high carotene content. 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.360 It's very metabolically suppressive. 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:03.920 Oh, it is? 00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.000 It antagonizes both thyroid and progesterone. 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.080 What's good for thyroid? 00:56:10.080 --> 00:56:18.920 You know, what's good for like stimulating your metabolism so that you, you know, you burn calories quicker, but you know, you won't have an overactive thyroid. 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:24.240 Milk, cheese and some of the fruit juices are the best things. 00:56:24.240 --> 00:56:29.800 Right. So 400 calories from fruit juice isn't going to be the same as eating 400 calories of brown rice. 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:36.480 The 400 calories of brown rice is going to be much more metabolically suppressive than the 400 calories from fruit juice. 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:40.320 Yeah. Thank you for your call. But it is a couple of minutes to the top of the hour. 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.360 And I want to make sure that the listeners who are tuned in get to know Dr. 00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:49.200 Raymond Peat's contact details. So unfortunately, we've come to the end of this show, Dr. 00:56:49.200 --> 00:56:53.640 Peat. Thanks so much for your input and your your wisdom. 00:56:53.640 --> 00:56:55.160 And I'm sorry we couldn't get to you. 00:56:55.160 --> 00:56:56.160 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 00:56:56.160 --> 00:56:59.240 They had two more callers on the line, but I'm afraid we couldn't we couldn't get you. 00:56:59.240 --> 00:57:01.440 Join us next month, March 15th. 00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:04.720 So those people have listened to us and Dr. 00:57:04.720 --> 00:57:17.000 Raymond Peat most especially his contact details at WWW dot Ray Peat dot com full of us as what we would call scientific articles, folks. 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:23.360 So not just hearsay, not just things that he's come up with, but a lot of his articles are fully referenced. 00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:30.760 So there's plenty of science behind it. And that's R.A.Y.P.E.A.T. Dotcom. 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:37.600 OK, so lots of articles there for people to read. And even the subject we've mentioned this evening, there's plenty of information there. 00:57:37.600 --> 00:57:44.360 So thanks again for all the callers. And we can also be reached toll free Monday through Friday. 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:52.240 One eight eight eight WBM herb. So until the third Friday of next month, which is March 15th. 00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:57.560 Yeah, we we look forward to speaking with Dr. Peat again and with those people who've tuned in. 00:57:57.560 --> 00:58:09.120 Thanks so much for your time. Thanks for your callers. One month from today, we'll be back again with the herb doctor, the herb doctors. 00:58:09.120 --> 00:58:14.160 Thank them so much for a great informative program. 00:58:14.160 --> 00:58:21.160 Really glad to be here engineering tonight. 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