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00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.000 Because I know Dr. Peat has a lot of people from throughout the nation who are listening in right now. 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:39.000 I would never give his phone number out. 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:41.000 No, no, no, not his phone number. 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:42.000 This number? 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:45.000 Yeah, because there are people from throughout the nation who do tune in. 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.000 We get more calls from more areas. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.000 So we'd like to let those people know. 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:50.000 I always give a number out. 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:51.000 Always give a number out. 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:55.000 OK, so welcome to this month's Ask Your Herb Doctor. 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.000 My name is Andrew Murray. 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:02.000 And for those of you who perhaps have never listened to the show, which runs every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m., 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:08.000 my wife and I both licensed medical herbalists who trained in England and graduated there with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:16.000 And we run a clinic in Garboville where we consult with clients about a wide range of conditions and recommend herbal medicines and dietary advice. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:20.000 So thank you for listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor, KMUG Garboville, 91.1 FM. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:31.000 And from 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you're invited to call in any questions, either related or unrelated to this month's subject of Hashimoto's thyroiditis. 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:39.000 And if we get time, there's a recent newsletter that Dr. Peat has just finished on cataracts, water, aging and light. 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:50.000 And covering the theme, the ongoing theme of anti-inflammation from some things or compounds that will cause stress. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.000 So thanks so much for joining us, Dr. Peat. 00:04:54.000 --> 00:05:06.000 As usual, if you wouldn't mind just giving people a resume of your academic professional background, perhaps for those new listeners who might have tuned in to this show. 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:13.000 I studied biology, University of Oregon, graduate school 1968 to '72. 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:27.000 Did my dissertation on reproductive aging and oxidative processes, concentrating on the effects of estrogen and progesterone largely. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:40.000 And trying to explain why an excess of estrogen resembled the physiology of aging, stress or x-ray poisoning. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:56.000 And that was sort of a follow-up of my interests from the 1950s on the effects of low-level radiation on public health. 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.000 And that's been one of my continuing interests. 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:16.000 Okay, so this month I got a little bit of a kind of spate of people contacting us about Hashimoto's thyroiditis. 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:21.000 And as your specialty was hormones, reproductive and thyroid. 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:28.000 I know this is a subject that's very dear to your heart and something that you spent many, many years studying and researching. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:36.000 In terms of the condition Hashimoto's thyroiditis, I know you have a very different and kind of alternative view of it. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.000 And it's certainly scientifically based. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:46.000 But what constitutes Hashimoto's disease in your mind? 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:51.000 And its characteristic lab findings and the symptoms and the treatment of it? 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.000 And what do the temperature and pulses show? 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.000 And we'll get into temperature and pulses in a bit more detail a bit later on. 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.000 But what do you view Hashimoto's as? 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:11.000 A hundred years ago Hashimoto described it as an enlargement of the thyroid gland caused by infiltration of white blood cells. 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:24.000 And some people actually stick a needle into the gland and diagnose on the basis of how he described it that long ago. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:35.000 But the general principle is that it's an enlarged gland that doesn't produce enough hormone. 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:44.000 And so you can make a guess as to its cause by looking at the blood. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:55.000 If you see that there seems to be a deficiency of the hormone in the blood and maybe some evidence of inflammation, 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:07.000 such as proteins and antibodies to the proteins from the thyroid gland, then they don't bother doing the needle biopsy. 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:16.000 So those two particular tests are the only real thing that medical doctors will be wanting to see as a confirmation? 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:35.000 Yeah. Simultaneously, a little before Hashimoto's study, people were seeing various reasons for the enlargement of the thyroid gland, 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:42.000 various poisonings or iodine deficiency was recognized as the main cause of enlargement. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:57.000 And being in Japan, I suppose, was why Hashimoto saw the peculiar inflammation of the thyroid rather than a blatant iodine deficiency, 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:09.000 because many people in Japan eat so much iodine that they get thyroiditis from blocking the functions of the gland. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:19.000 And that classically results in increasing the TSH to overcome the blockage by excess iodine. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:26.000 But exactly the same TSH excess is produced by a deficiency of iodine. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:43.000 So what you see typically is a rising TSH driving the gland to work harder as the organism shows signs of decreasing thyroid function. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:55.000 OK. So in terms of the antibodies, how does the traditional medical diagnosis then differ in terms of the way that you would, 00:09:55.000 --> 00:10:04.000 because I understand that both the antibodies are looked at the antithyroglobulin antibody and the antithyroid peroxidase antibodies, 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:14.000 which are generally measured to give a diagnosis, that these are actually present in people that don't have Hashimoto's thyroiditis. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:19.000 So people can actually have raised levels of these antibodies and not be showing any symptoms at all. 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:32.000 And conversely, the identity of an antibody isn't really as clear as a lot of people assume. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:41.000 They've found that there's a great cross reaction between thyroid antibodies and joint antibodies. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:51.000 And that explains why people with thyroiditis and hypothyroidism so often have arthritis and joint problems. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:11:03.000 And the whole issue of explaining disease as blaming it on the immune system attacking the body. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:21.000 If you wrench your knee and sort of damage the cartilage, they've done experiments in rabbits taking a piece of foreign cartilage like from a cow, 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:31.000 and it will produce very few antibodies in the rabbit. But if you twist it a little bit, structurally damage it, 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.000 then it produces a terrific immune reaction. 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:43.000 And any organ that gets strained or overworked tends to leak some of its proteins. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:50.000 And the immune system's function largely is to clean up any mess. 00:11:50.000 --> 00:12:01.000 In fact, there is an alternative interpretation of what the immune system is doing rather than looking for foreign invading pathogens. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:09.000 This theory says it's primarily cleaning up messes caused by anything which is pathogenic. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:26.000 So in one of the so-called autoimmune brain conditions, people have demonstrated that the presence of the antibody to the brain tissue accelerates the recovery. 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:37.000 So cleaning up the mess is really constructive rather than always being the cause of deterioration. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:46.000 I've heard you, it's a little bit off base at the moment to mention this, but I just thought I'd need to bring it up because it has a relevance to what you're saying about antibodies not being a bad thing. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:55.000 Now, you've mentioned before that the, for example, a condition hepatitis C, number one, it's questionable. 00:12:55.000 --> 00:13:00.000 I know you've questioned even the existence of it as a virus in its own right. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:19.000 But you say that the antibodies that are generally measured to show a degree of severity, the way the medical industry looks at it, is actually a bad way of looking at it because actually the antibodies to it are very important in mopping up the damage, if you like. 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:35.000 Yeah, that's Duisburg's basic objection to the whole AIDS/HIV theory, but it applies to the hepatitis C at least as much as to HIV. 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:45.000 Right, and that initial insult perhaps to the liver, whether it be through PUFA or radiation or any other external stresses in its own right, may well... 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:59.000 Decades ago, the Egyptian government had a campaign to give a very toxic drug to the whole population because of a parasite that they were eliminating. 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:15.000 And that poison causes liver damage and now a tremendous proportion, roughly half of the Egyptian population, I think it was, showed evidence of hepatitis C. 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:20.000 I think it's just the after effect of that poisoning. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.000 Right, I remember you saying that, exactly what you're talking about in terms of that. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:29.000 OK, well you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Galbavool 91.1 FM. 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:37.000 From 7.30 to the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you're invited to call in with any questions, either related or unrelated, this month's subject of Hashimoto's thyroiditis. 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:45.000 I also got to say that generally we open the lines at 7.30, but it is the pledge and at 7.30 the pledge is going to be pitching the drive at 7.30. 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:55.000 So, what I wanted to say was, in case people are anxious that they're not going to get enough time, we can pretty much open the lines any time from now on and take people. 00:14:55.000 --> 00:15:02.000 Because we will be coming in and out, making sure that people are aware that the pledge is running and that we're raising money for the studio to continue. 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.000 So, hopefully people will call in and start pledging. 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:10.000 I'd just like to jump in because I forgot to read our underwriters who basically pledge every day. 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:16.000 KMUD thanks Jessica Baker of Jade Dragon Acupuncture for her support of Redwood Community Radio. 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:21.000 Practicing traditional Chinese medicine, Jessica treats conditions ranging from psoriasis to post-traumatic stress. 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:31.000 Located at 607 F Street in Arcata, Jade Dragon Acupuncture can be reached at 822-4300 or online at jadedragonacupuncture.com. 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:40.000 And support for KMUD comes from the Emerald Cup, presenting the 10th Annual Outdoor Medical Marijuana Competition and Exposition. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.000 It's on December 14th and 15th at the Sonoma County Fairgrounds. 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:50.000 Music, speakers, panels, vendor exhibits, comedy, organic food, awards ceremony and the KMUD booth are included. 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:55.000 Musical performances are by Revolution, J. 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00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:57.000 My newsletter on osteoporosis a couple of years ago went over the arguments that they're using to say that it prevents osteoporosis. 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:09.000 But I think the references that I give in there show that basically it's just increasing the load of inflammation. 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:22.000 Okay, so in terms of the standard medical treatment for Hashimoto's, I think it's probably true enough to say that thyroxine is the main compound that they will give to a person to treat it. 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:35.000 Yes, if they give enough, there have been some studies in which the antibodies tend to disappear after about six months of keeping the TSH under control. 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:47.000 Okay, so in your opinion, because I know we've seen quite a few people that have been previously treated with thyroxine that were not getting a lot of symptom relief. 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:55.000 I mean, in terms of the compound, what do you think of its efficacy or its ability to do its job? 00:18:55.000 --> 00:19:05.000 It in itself, in almost every situation, will suppress the TSH, even though T3 can do it. 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:15.000 And sometimes maybe two or three percent of the people need T3 to work on the pituitary to suppress the TSH. 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:23.000 But women in particular have five or ten times as much thyroid disease as men. 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:34.000 And the reason is that estrogen interferes with the liver's ability to convert thyroxine to the active T3 hormone. 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:49.000 And if your liver isn't producing some T3, your gland, which produces a ratio of about three parts of thyroxine to one part of the active hormone, 00:19:49.000 --> 00:20:03.000 if you give that person big doses of thyroxine, you're going to turn off that little bit of active hormone coming out of their thyroid gland when you suppress the TSH. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:10.000 And they'll go into an increasingly hypothyroid state. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:20.000 And that has caused a lot of doctors to think of people being simultaneously hypothyroid and hyperthyroid, 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:32.000 which doesn't make sense unless you see that they're interfering with the liver's ability to activate the hormone. 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:49.000 And some people have argued that one of the needs for TSH is to induce the local enzymes in the various tissues, such as the liver, which do the conversion. 00:20:49.000 --> 00:21:03.000 But there have been several studies showing that you absolutely don't need the TSH to do that activation of the deiodinase enzymes in the various tissues, 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:13.000 that other signals from other glands will maintain the activating enzymes. 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:24.000 Okay, so in terms of someone presenting with Hashimoto's, you're saying that it is reasonable to assume that thyroxine in its own right would be the treatment of choice? 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:39.000 Well, yeah, especially in men, but since women are the main people who have Hashimoto's, it's very likely to bring on symptoms. 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:52.000 So it's very reasonable to try it, but as soon as they start getting symptoms of worse hypothyroidism, then it's time to give them the complete thyroid hormone. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:21:55.000 Okay, and that's like you said, it's because of the estrogen. 00:21:55.000 --> 00:22:10.000 I know your most recent newsletter, the Cataract Newsletter, has a lot to deal with estrogen being a pro-inflammatory stress-mediating chemical that attenuates the effects of other things in the body. 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:23.000 Yeah, the industry is periodically creating new myths about estrogen, and one of the things they're currently pushing. 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:31.000 Several years ago, they went through a wave of claiming that estrogen was an antioxidant, 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:48.000 and even though it's primarily an oxygen-wasting pro-oxidative mediator, now they're pushing the idea that estrogen is anti-inflammatory. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:58.000 We do actually have a caller on the air, Dr. Peat, so perhaps we should take this. I'm sorry to cut in there, but there's a caller, so let's see if we can get this next one on air. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.000 Hi, you're on air. Where are you calling from? 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.000 Hi, I'm calling from New Jersey. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:04.000 Okay, you're on the air, so go ahead. 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:14.000 Hi there. I just read the Brota Barnes book, and Hypothyroidism, the Unsuspected Illness. 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:25.000 My entire medical history is in that book, so I'm very grateful that you provided that information. 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.000 I am having a little bit of trouble. I know how to follow instructions. 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:36.000 He suggests that we put the thermometer under our arm for 10 minutes before we get out of bed in the morning. 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:48.000 In other words, it's a resting temperature, and I did that. I averaged over an 18-day period 96.4, but that's not my goal in telling you this. 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:53.000 I started to get creative after I did that, and maybe that's my mistake. I don't know. 00:23:53.000 --> 00:24:02.000 I started to put the thermometer under my arm again for subsequent 10-minute increments, and I found that my temperature was continuing. 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:07.000 The mercury was continuing to rise. 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:17.000 97, for example, is still low, but it's higher than 96.4, or sometimes it's 95.8 or something. 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:25.000 I guess what I'm wondering is I really want to find a way of accurately gauging my temperature, 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:33.000 and hopefully thereby my metabolic rate, so that when I start to treat myself, I don't flip over into Graves' disease. 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:38.000 Have I just wasted time? 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:50.000 Should I just revert to Dr. Barnes' temperature test and go back to the 10 minutes, or should I experiment with this a little bit, if you were me? 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.000 Dr. Peat? 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:58.000 No, It would be good if you could do it for half an hour or whatever it takes to stabilize, 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:04.000 but the trouble is that hypothyroid people have low tissue metabolism, 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:14.000 and that often goes with high adrenaline, which cuts off circulation to your skin, fingers, toes, 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:21.000 and keeps the circulation going primarily to your brain, heart, and lungs. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:39.000 So especially if you are overweight, the skin and subcutaneous fat can take a couple of hours to reach core temperature if you're thoroughly insulated. 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:48.000 So it's good to check your eardrum temperature, mouth temperature, as well as your armpit temperature 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:57.000 while noticing the temperature of your fingers and toes and tip of your nose. 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:03.000 Is there a significant difference in a basal temperature thermometer? 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:08.000 I mean, they have these separate thermometers called basal thermometers. 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.000 What is that? 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:14.000 They're just marked off so you can read them more easily and tense, 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:22.000 but I don't think the small differences are that important for the thyroid guesswork. 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:33.000 If you notice that your oral temperature is at all low and your fingers and toes are colder than other people's, 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.000 that's a good sign that your metabolic rate is low. 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:44.000 And if you consider the amount of calories you need per day compared to other people, 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:49.000 that's a good indication of your thyroid metabolic rate. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:55.000 And the amount of water that you evaporate is a very good indicator. 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:05.000 A person should take in two quarts more fluid than they lose per day in urine. 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:12.000 That two quarts would be an average evaporation if your thyroid is good. 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.000 But many people evaporate less than a quart a day, meaning that -- 00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:20.000 We're waterlogged. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:30.000 Yeah, and instead of being evaporated, the low thyroid person tends to retain water. 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:36.000 And there are so many indications other than temperature. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:48.000 I first started playing with Barnes's technique one hot, humid summer in Eugene when it was about 95 degrees, 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:57.000 and even people who could hardly move, they were so hypothyroid, were very close to normal temperature. 00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:08.000 And I realized that a squash sitting on the counter would show a normal metabolic rate if you went just by temperature. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:16.000 And so checking your pulse rate and the temperature of your fingers and toes in a cool room, 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:20.000 those are more sensitive indicators. 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:27.000 So if I'm -- I remember you writing that if people use an electric blanket at night, 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:32.000 you place less value on the basal temperature. 00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.000 Am I remembering correctly? 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:38.000 Yeah, same thing as in a hot, humid climate. 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:45.000 If you keep the temperature up artificially, even a dead person will be warm. 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.000 Oh, well, this is actually bad news for me because I'm in a heated room when I'm doing this. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.000 My temperature may be even lower. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.000 I don't want to take up too much of your time, but I think what you're saying is it's more -- 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:00.000 perhaps more of an art than a science in some respect, 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:08.000 just because getting an absolute gauge on this is going to be very difficult because there are so many variables. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.000 Am I approximating what you're saying? 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.000 Exactly. 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.000 It's the whole function. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:26.000 The best single test would be how much oxygen you breathe in and how much carbon dioxide you exhale. 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.000 That's actually showing what's going on chemically. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:42.000 And you can't produce a normal amount of carbon dioxide by being overstressed or high in estrogen. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:47.000 Other things will happen other than producing carbon dioxide as you burn your fuel. 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:58.000 So the old-fashioned 1930s basal metabolic rate by breathing oxygen and blowing out carbon dioxide, 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:09.000 that was the real thyroid test, and the temperature is just the very rough approximation of how much fuel you're burning. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:13.000 Where can I go to read more about what you just said? 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.000 Is there something I can do at home? 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:20.000 Yeah, my website has several articles about it. 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:26.000 Something else you have to do is notice the changes during the day 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:34.000 because low thyroid people typically compensate with stress hormones increasing, 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.000 sometimes mainly adrenaline, sometimes mostly cortisol, 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:47.000 others including serotonin will increase especially at night. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:50.000 Histamine often increases at night. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:57.000 And all of the stress hormones make your tissue metabolize, 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:03.000 but not in an energy-producing way but in an energy-wasting way. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:14.000 And if you take an overdose of cortisol and adrenaline, the adrenaline will make your skin get cold. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:23.000 The cortisol will make you break down your muscle tissue and glandular tissue to turn to sugar, 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.000 and that will heat your body up. 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:31.000 And some people wake up with a 98 or 99-degree temperature, 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:36.000 and when they eat breakfast by 10 or 11 in the morning, 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:41.000 their temperature might have fallen to 94 or 95 degrees. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.000 This explains a great deal for me personally, so I thank you very, very much. 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.000 I don't want to take up any more of your time, but that's been very helpful. 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.000 All right, well, thank you so much for your call. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.000 You be well. 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.000 We are actually going to get into the whole subject of temperature and pulse measurements 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.000 and what the differences mean, but it is 7.31, 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:03.000 and now the engineer is sitting there, and is he going to pitch or was he going to-- 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:07.000 I thought that the producer was going to pitch, but I'll do a little pitch. 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:11.000 I'll actually say that thank you, Dr. Peat, because you really do have a nationwide audience. 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.000 I hear people calling in from all over, 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:18.000 and I would like to put a word out to those people from all over that this is an unusual community radio station, 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:24.000 and even if you live in Jersey or Missouri or wherever, you may well want to join KMUD, 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.000 and you might want to check out some of our other talk shows 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:29.000 because they are all a little different from the mainstream. 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.000 That's why we have them. 00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.000 We have a pitcher here in the studio, folks, so let's go ahead. 00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:38.000 Yeah, is this-- live? Can you hear me? 00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.000 There we go. Now you can. Wow. 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.000 Yeah, this is Mark, sounds in the sewer. 00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:51.000 Just want to let everybody out there know that we have some premiums available for new members, 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.000 a glass KMUD coffee mug. 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.000 We've got, for renewing members, a 25-year anniversary T-shirt, 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:03.000 and we've got a couple of nice radios, the Sea Crane Radio. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:07.000 I was going to actually-- the Sea Crane Radio used to be called the Zombie Apocalypse Radio, 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.000 but maybe all the zombies actually have deficient thyroid function. 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.000 That could be. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:15.000 It's the Deficient Thyroid Function Apocalypse Radio from now on in my book. 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.000 And it's a great radio. 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So just on a recap of what you said a little while ago about cold peripheries, 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.000 so fingers, toes, nose, ears, 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:33.000 this kind of person that you just mentioned would have cold extremities 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:38.000 because adrenaline would be driving that as a vasoconstrictor, 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.000 but yet their core temperature would be high because of cortisol and the stress hormones? 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:48.000 In general, you have to check your pulse rate at the same time 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:55.000 because if your cortisol is extremely high and destroying things at a terrific rate, 00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:01.000 then you're making enough heat to keep your hands and feet warm even. 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:09.000 But in that situation, your adrenaline is going to be lower to let out the heat through your skin. 00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:16.000 And so if you have a very high temperature and the normal pulse rate 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:25.000 and then the temperature falls after you eat, your pulse rate is probably going to get slower still. 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.000 Okay. So for a low starting temperature in the morning, so someone's in bed, 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:34.000 they're taking their temperature and their pulses before they wake and start moving around and generating heat. 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:39.000 If they have a low starting temperature and that falls after breakfast? 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:46.000 Oh, that's still stress plus hypothyroidism. 00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.000 Okay. All right. And then how about if they have a low starting temperature 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.000 and it doesn't change after breakfast, it stays the same? 00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.000 They probably didn't eat the right things. 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:12.000 If you get enough sugar in and protein and the essential catalytic nutrients, B vitamins and such, 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:18.000 then if you have any function of your thyroid gland at all, 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:26.000 you're going to feed your liver enough that it should just by feeding it sugar, 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:33.000 it should start producing a little bit of T3, which would warm you. 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.000 Okay. So how about the pulses then? 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:41.000 If someone's taking their pulse in bed in the morning along with the temperature 00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:47.000 and they have a low pulse and then that pulse rises after breakfast? 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:56.000 That probably means that their T3 is going up from eating some carbohydrate 00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:05.000 and increasing their general energy so their blood is circulating more. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:15.000 And that's something that I've seen most often in women when they're premenstrual 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.000 and having high estrogen blocking their thyroid. 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:26.000 They'll get very cold when they get hungry and everything will slow down. 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.000 And then when they eat, they'll warm up and the pulse will increase. 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.000 Okay. Now how about if somebody, again, this is breakfast time and the person's in bed 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:41.000 before they move around, if they have a high pulse and then this rises after breakfast? 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:50.000 Sometimes that happens when they eat eggs without enough carbohydrate. 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:59.000 If you're already tending to have hypoglycemia, eating eggs will stimulate insulin secretion, 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.000 drop your blood sugar more and cause a surge of adrenaline. 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.000 And it depends on how you feel. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:14.000 If you're really increasing your thyroid and warming your metabolism up, 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.000 you'll feel good when the pulse goes up. 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:22.000 But if you feel like you're about to faint or go into shock, 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:27.000 that happens from eating too much protein without carbohydrate. 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000 And that adrenaline makes you shaky then? 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:36.000 Yeah. And some people wake up cyclically during the night 00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:47.000 and when I was counseling dieters, there were some very fat people who would wake up. 00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:51.000 One of them woke up every hour during the night 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:56.000 and the other one I think was sleeping an hour and a half or so. 00:41:56.000 --> 00:42:01.000 And I got them to set an alarm clock to wake themselves up 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.000 about five or ten minutes before their expected waking 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:14.000 and to eat anything with carbohydrate, milk or juice or even a cracker or something. 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.000 And to do that every hour and within a week, 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:23.000 they were sleeping through the night and then they were able to start losing weight. 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:30.000 The stress hormones that raise your temperature and pulse rate around dawn, 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:37.000 they are also increasing the blood sugar. 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.000 So in diabetics, they call it the dawn phenomenon. 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:46.000 But it's the result of the stress hormones that rise during the night. 00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:53.000 The darkness itself is causing stress, activating hormones. 00:42:53.000 --> 00:43:03.000 And so in the winter, people are more likely to have disturbed sleep because of long nights. 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:14.000 And getting extra carbohydrate late in the day can help you sleep longer without those episodes. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.000 Usually it's nightmares waking people up with a pounding heart. 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.000 That's the adrenaline, right? 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.000 Yes. 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.000 Okay. 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.000 One other quick question and then there is a corner. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:31.000 So the last example would be perhaps a high pulse that falls after breakfast. 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:32.000 That's good. 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:39.000 That's the carbohydrate lowering the adrenaline. 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:47.000 And when the temperature goes up and your pulse goes down, that's what breakfast should do. 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.000 Okay. 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.000 Let's take this next caller. 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.000 You're on the air. 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.000 Hi, what a great show. 00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.000 And before I ask my question, I'd just like to say to the audience, if you love KMUD, 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:07.000 call 707-923-3911 or 1-800-KMUD-RAD. 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:14.000 And to decode KMUD-RAD, look at your dial and the decoder ring is right there. 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:18.000 I always appreciate what you do and this show is one of my favorites. 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:24.000 My question, Dr. Peat, and if it's a little too far, maybe it's in another program, 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.000 is about the approaching secretion of radiation plume. 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:35.000 I heard Dr. Helen Caldicott discussing recently on Coast to Coast AM, 00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:44.000 the coming plumes to Alaska around March and possibly the Pacific Northwest around July, 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:48.000 June, July, and then further down the coast, subsequent to that, 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.000 so maybe late summer, early fall of next year. 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:58.000 I'm sorry, of this COVID-19 that would actually be next year at this point. 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.000 So it could be as much as up to a year from now, but maybe less. 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:05.000 And my question goes to what are the effects of radiation, 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.000 since you mentioned that as a special question at the beginning of the program, 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:16.000 along the lines of the disease you mentioned earlier, or what kind of manifest? 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:23.000 Does it mimic that disease that starts with an H or does it come in other ways? 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:30.000 And seaweed, what should we do to prevent it as far as iodine-ization of the thyroid? 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.000 I want you to go and listen to the response on air. 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:34.000 And again, thank you so much. 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:40.000 1-800-CANADRAB or 9233-911 in the 707 area. 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.000 So please donate to this station. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.000 Keep this great show going. 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:45.000 Okay, thank you for that. 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.000 I do want to say that me personally hearing it, there's quite a bit of a sound of garble, 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:56.000 but I did hear the very first part of it was the concern with the radiation, 00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:02.000 oceanic radiation coming this way to the coast between the middle to the end of next year. 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.000 Dr. Peat, did you hear what that caller was saying? 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:12.000 Part of it was blurred, but basically, you're wondering what to do for radiation exposure. 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.000 Right, I think so, yeah, basically. 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:27.000 Yeah, my first newsletter 30-some years ago was on radiation defense, 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:36.000 and I read everything that was available at that time regarding protecting against radiation 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.000 and repairing the damage. 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:47.000 And the research since then has pretty much confirmed what was available then, 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:58.000 that keeping your metabolic rate up accelerates the repair process faster than the injury. 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.000 And progesterone decreases the injury. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:06.000 Thyroid increases the rate of repair. 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:20.000 And all kinds of stress create signals from the injured cells that travel through the rest of your body. 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:27.000 And so no matter if your face is x-rayed by a dentist, your whole body, 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:35.000 the gonads are going to be affected by these substances emitted by the injured cells. 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:49.000 So in the 1950s, Russian researchers had noticed that total body radiation had an estrogenic effect, 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.000 would cause animals to go into estrus. 00:47:52.000 --> 00:48:02.000 And that was blamed generally on causing the pituitary hormones to be activated, 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.000 because people could do it just by irradiating the head. 00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:17.000 But the Russian researchers irradiated the animal's foot and produced the same whole body estrogenic effect, 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:28.000 showing that estrogen and radiation are producing these toxins that communicate to all the cells of the body. 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:37.000 And that's why thyroid and progesterone have a basic protective effect against radiation. 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:49.000 But the whole nutritional support system, magnesium is the element that's most closely involved in repairing 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:55.000 radiation damage after your thyroid is activated. 00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:03.000 The cells take up magnesium and enzymes are activated that do the repair process 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:08.000 when you have adequate magnesium with your thyroid. 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.000 And that would be from the green leafy broths that you recommend. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:13.000 Yeah. 00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:20.000 So whether it's chard or kale, dark green leafy broths are pretty rich in magnesium. 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:26.000 Okay, so Dr. Peat, I guess we can just put it out there again quickly if any other callers are in the air. 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:36.000 It's KMUDRAD is the toll-free number, 1-800-568-3723, or the number if you live in the area is 923-3911. 00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:43.000 So my other questions that I wanted to put to you about the temperature and the pulses, 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.000 with reference to temperature and pulses, 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:54.000 are morning changes reflective of a similar metabolism seen in the lunchtime temperature and pulses? 00:49:54.000 --> 00:50:05.000 Yeah, if your temperature hasn't stabilized by 10 or 11 in the morning, a low thyroid person will often, 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:10.000 especially a woman with high estrogen and low progesterone, 00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:16.000 their temperature and pulse rate might both fall before lunch, 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:25.000 or they might have an adrenaline attack and have a shock sensation with a fast, weak pulse. 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:35.000 And so the effect of feeding, you can interpret it the same for lunch or breakfast. 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:44.000 So, and how about if the temperature doesn't reach 98.6 or the pulse never gets over 70 in the mid-afternoon? 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.000 How would you view that? 00:50:47.000 --> 00:51:01.000 Well, people have their chronic adaptation and some people can stay very well at those average numbers, 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:10.000 but on average, people have the greatest ability to resist stress and recuperate from injury 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:17.000 if their temperature is a little above average and their pulse rate is a little above average. 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:23.000 So your health can be very good for most of your life, 00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:29.000 but you will have more resilience if your metabolic rate is higher. 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.000 Okay, well, that was my last question. 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:37.000 If the temperature is higher than 98.6 in the afternoon and the pulse is over 100. 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.000 The brain and the immune system, for example, 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:46.000 the optimum temperature seems to be around 101, maybe even a little higher. 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:53.000 And I've also mentioned you, I've also remember you mentioning that the immune system is less than, 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:58.000 if you want to say the immune system as an organism functioning at 100% being optimal, 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:05.000 if your temperature doesn't reach 98.6, you are not running at 100% of your immune ability. 00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.000 Probably. 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:12.000 And usually you can see some evidence in your blood tests, 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:18.000 such as unnecessarily high TSH or other pituitary hormones, 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:27.000 indicating that you're driving your endocrine system and immune system unnecessarily hard. 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:32.000 When things are running very smoothly on the cellular level, 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.000 your endocrine system and immune system don't have to do very much. 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:41.000 The tissue cells take care of things all by themselves. 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.000 Okay, well, we do have another caller, so I want to make sure this caller gets an opportunity to... 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.000 You're on the air? 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:47.000 Hello. 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:48.000 Hi, you're on the air. 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:55.000 Hi, love the show, which is interesting to me because I have a completely unrelated question, 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.000 but my mother has thyroid issues and I have temperature issues, 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:02.000 so I've been intently paying attention to your discussion. 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.000 Can I just ask you where you're calling from? 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:06.000 It's my first time listening to the show. 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.000 Can I just ask you where you're calling from, incidentally? I'm sorry to butt in. 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.000 I'm sorry? 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.000 Can I just quickly ask you where you're calling from? 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.000 Yeah, I'm calling from Redway. 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.000 Oh, okay, just down the road. 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.000 Carry on. 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:23.000 So I just recently... I've always been a really light sleeper, 00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:32.000 and I recently became hip to the idea that taking valerian tincture can improve one's ability to relax, 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.000 fall asleep, and stay asleep through the night. 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:40.000 And I've grabbed myself a little bottle down at Chautauqua, and I've been taking it, 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.000 and I've found that it's really, really helpful. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:48.000 My brother, who also has had problems falling asleep and staying asleep, 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:55.000 has been taking it with me, and we're really-- it's definitely improving our sleeping patterns. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:02.000 And I was just wondering if you know of any possibility of developing a dependence on valerian 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.000 or if it's counterindicated for any other medications 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:12.000 or if you know anything about that being a problem in practice. 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.000 No. Well, I'll put it this way. 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:17.000 I know valerian works on GABA channels, 00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.000 and I'm sure Dr. Peat will know exactly what I'm saying when I mention GABA channels. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.000 But here's the thing. 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.000 Some people-- and it's rare-- but some people get very stimulated by valerian. 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.000 The majority of people do find a good benefit from it, 00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:36.000 and it does shut off that internal dialogue that keeps people awake when they sit and talk to themselves, 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.000 and especially if people wake in the early hours. 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:45.000 But I know Dr. Peat's interpretation of any kind of insomnia would generally be down to high adrenaline 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:50.000 or higher than normal adrenaline, keeping people from entering a deep, restful sleep. 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:56.000 So, Dr. Peat, what do you think about valerian working on GABA channels 00:54:56.000 --> 00:55:01.000 and the mechanism behind insomnia? 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:04.000 Well, that mechanism is very good. 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:13.000 It's a very safe drug, but I think that using a drug of that sort, it's protective, 00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:19.000 but it is potentially habit-forming. 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:27.000 Besides my own experience when I took thyroid, being able to relax and sleep soundly, 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:33.000 on one of my trips talking to doctors and such, 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:40.000 I ran into a doctor who looked horrible, said he hadn't slept for three nights. 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:46.000 I mentioned my experience with thyroid and gave him 10 micrograms of Cytomel, 00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:52.000 and the next night at my talk, he pulled me aside before introducing me 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.000 and said, "That stuff's better than morphine." 00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:59.000 Dr. Peat, I don't want to cut you short, 00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:04.000 but I just want to say that it is very nearly four minutes to the top of the hour. 00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.000 So, unfortunately, I'd want to cut you short here 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:09.000 and just thank you very much for being on the radio show, 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:14.000 and that will give me plenty of time to tell people how to find you and more about you. 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:17.000 So, thanks so much for joining us tonight. 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:18.000 Okay, thank you. 00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:23.000 Okay, so Dr. Raymond Peat has a pretty extensive website 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:28.000 with an exhaustive list of researched, scientific-based articles, 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.000 fully referenced on many different conditions, disorders, 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.000 and a lot of what he is espousing is very alternative, 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.000 but it's very scientifically backed. 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.000 So, it's not completely made up at all. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:45.000 It's science that's been buried, if you like, 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.000 and it's not really being listened to too much. 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.000 But a lot of what he has said has been vindicated very recently. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.000 I just want to quickly mention the whole thing about vitamin D in England 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:59.000 and the British Medical Journal stating that the saturated fats were now no longer the bad guys 00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:03.000 and that the polyunsaturates, which is what Dr. Peat has always said, 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.000 are actually the cause of inflammation and disease, 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.000 and they're having a complete rethink on the whole saturated fat thing. 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:14.000 Again, with the vitamin D, it's a very good, helpful, protective molecule. 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:23.000 So, yeah, Raymond Peat's website is www.raypeat.com. 00:57:23.000 --> 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