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Okay, all right, I guess first things first, 00:01:02.860 --> 00:01:04.660 I just wanna make sure that Dr. Peat 00:01:04.660 --> 00:01:06.980 is gonna be contacted, good, okay. 00:01:06.980 --> 00:01:08.460 All right, well, sorry about that, folks. 00:01:08.460 --> 00:01:10.900 I normally have the intro/outro music playing, 00:01:10.900 --> 00:01:13.460 but for some reason, the disc's unreadable. 00:01:13.460 --> 00:01:16.540 Okay, anyway, thanks so much for joining us. 00:01:16.540 --> 00:01:21.540 This is Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD Galbaville 91.1 FM. 00:01:21.540 --> 00:01:23.600 My name's Andrew Murray. 00:01:23.600 --> 00:01:25.580 For those of you who perhaps have never listened 00:01:25.580 --> 00:01:28.900 to the shows, which run every third Friday of the month 00:01:28.900 --> 00:01:31.620 from seven till eight p.m., my wife and I 00:01:31.620 --> 00:01:33.860 were both licensed medical herbalists. 00:01:33.860 --> 00:01:36.260 We trained in England, graduated there 00:01:36.260 --> 00:01:38.580 with a master's degree in herbal medicine, 00:01:38.580 --> 00:01:40.020 and we run a clinic in Galbaville 00:01:40.020 --> 00:01:42.900 where we consult with clients about a wide range 00:01:42.900 --> 00:01:45.360 of conditions and recommend herbal medicines 00:01:45.360 --> 00:01:49.300 as well as dietary advice and other nutrition advice. 00:01:49.300 --> 00:01:51.220 So you're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor 00:01:51.220 --> 00:01:54.300 on KMUD Galbaville 91.1 FM. 00:01:54.300 --> 00:01:57.420 And from 7.30 until the end of the show tonight 00:01:57.420 --> 00:01:59.540 at eight o'clock, you're invited to call in 00:01:59.540 --> 00:02:01.900 with any questions either related or unrelated 00:02:01.900 --> 00:02:06.900 to this month's subject of memory, cognition, and nutrition. 00:02:06.900 --> 00:02:11.540 So if you live in the area, the number's 923-3911, 00:02:11.540 --> 00:02:13.900 or as is often the case, so many listeners 00:02:13.900 --> 00:02:17.140 across different states are calling in on the 800 number. 00:02:17.140 --> 00:02:22.140 So that 800 number, folks, is 1-800-568-3723, 00:02:23.220 --> 00:02:28.220 which translates as 1-800-KMUD-RAD, R-A-D. 00:02:28.220 --> 00:02:31.580 Okay, so we have Dr. Peat with us. 00:02:31.580 --> 00:02:34.360 - 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Okay, hi, Dr. Peat, you are with us? 00:03:15.020 --> 00:03:18.540 Okay, I guess I just want to begin tonight's show, 00:03:18.540 --> 00:03:21.460 as always, just by asking you to give us 00:03:21.460 --> 00:03:24.540 a synopsis of your academic professional background 00:03:24.540 --> 00:03:26.380 so that when people hear you, 00:03:26.380 --> 00:03:28.380 not only will they hear that you know what you're saying, 00:03:28.380 --> 00:03:30.320 but they'll also know that you've had a long time 00:03:30.320 --> 00:03:31.500 doing what you do. 00:03:31.500 --> 00:03:34.100 So go ahead and just let us know what it is 00:03:34.100 --> 00:03:37.660 that you've done with the last 40 years of your life. 00:03:37.660 --> 00:03:40.340 - Well, in the last 40 years, 00:03:40.340 --> 00:03:45.340 I've just been studying independently by myself, 00:03:45.340 --> 00:03:50.100 but before that, 1968 to '72, 00:03:50.100 --> 00:03:52.940 I was a graduate student in biology 00:03:52.940 --> 00:03:57.940 at the University of Oregon for a PhD in biology, 00:03:57.940 --> 00:04:01.140 specializing in physiology. 00:04:01.140 --> 00:04:06.140 Before that, in the '50s, '56 to the end of the decade, 00:04:06.140 --> 00:04:12.220 I was working on a master's degree 00:04:12.220 --> 00:04:14.040 at the University of Oregon, 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:16.980 and during that time, I took courses 00:04:16.980 --> 00:04:21.140 in philosophy and psychology, among other things. 00:04:21.140 --> 00:04:26.140 And also '59 to '60, I took some philosophy courses 00:04:26.140 --> 00:04:29.980 at Ohio State University. 00:04:29.980 --> 00:04:33.540 The phone is clicking. 00:04:33.540 --> 00:04:35.220 Is the line still there? 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:36.060 - I'm not sure. 00:04:36.060 --> 00:04:37.180 Yeah, you're on the, I can hear you, so. 00:04:37.180 --> 00:04:38.740 - Okay. 00:04:38.740 --> 00:04:40.740 - Okay, so you basically started 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:42.540 with philosophy, psychology, 00:04:42.540 --> 00:04:44.540 and I know that your main interests, 00:04:44.540 --> 00:04:46.220 although you have many, 00:04:46.220 --> 00:04:50.020 your main interests are hormone, physiology, 00:04:50.020 --> 00:04:55.020 reproductive biology, aging, and that kind of subjects. 00:04:55.020 --> 00:04:59.300 - Yeah, the reason I decided to study biology 00:04:59.300 --> 00:05:03.940 was that I didn't think people were working 00:05:03.940 --> 00:05:06.860 on consciousness in the right way. 00:05:06.860 --> 00:05:09.740 I thought I could get at it biologically. 00:05:09.740 --> 00:05:12.380 - Okay, excellent. 00:05:12.380 --> 00:05:14.660 Well, I know this evening's topic 00:05:14.660 --> 00:05:18.220 is gonna be hopefully not too heady 00:05:18.220 --> 00:05:22.060 and too unreachable. 00:05:22.060 --> 00:05:23.520 I think, hopefully, what I'm hoping 00:05:23.520 --> 00:05:25.300 is that it will stir the imagination 00:05:25.300 --> 00:05:28.100 of people listening to see that, 00:05:28.100 --> 00:05:31.500 as I've always tried to explain, 00:05:31.500 --> 00:05:35.500 the world is a lot more than we see with our eyes. 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:40.300 So the subject tonight of cognition, memory, 00:05:40.300 --> 00:05:45.300 and nutrition that supports successful memory forming 00:05:45.300 --> 00:05:48.900 and recapitulation and memory retention 00:05:48.900 --> 00:05:51.300 is gonna be tonight's subject. 00:05:51.300 --> 00:05:55.340 Just want to mention that it seems strange, 00:05:55.340 --> 00:05:57.740 but when I was looking at the people, 00:05:57.740 --> 00:06:00.940 the pioneers of this subject in the last 100 years, 00:06:00.940 --> 00:06:03.220 there's a lot of Russians involved in it. 00:06:03.220 --> 00:06:07.780 And Dr. Peat, you mentioned a chap called Dostoyevsky 00:06:08.620 --> 00:06:11.340 and Fyodor Dostoyevsky, 00:06:11.340 --> 00:06:15.720 and gave an anecdote about a piece of the history 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:20.720 that you related to his change in his perception, 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.660 his cognition, as a result of imprisonment. 00:06:23.660 --> 00:06:28.020 So perhaps if we can start just by you recounting that, 00:06:28.020 --> 00:06:29.940 that might be enough to stir. 00:06:29.940 --> 00:06:33.980 - In the biography written by Jim Rice, 00:06:33.980 --> 00:06:36.740 a professor at the University of Oregon, 00:06:36.740 --> 00:06:41.740 he tells the story about his nervous problems, 00:06:41.740 --> 00:06:47.660 whatever they were that Dostoyevsky had improved 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:52.500 while he was in prison in Siberia. 00:06:52.500 --> 00:06:57.500 And one of the odd things was that he began eating 00:06:57.500 --> 00:07:01.140 chopped meat because that was available in the prison. 00:07:01.140 --> 00:07:04.940 I guess in the winter they didn't have vegetables available 00:07:04.940 --> 00:07:06.380 and so they had to hunt them. 00:07:07.140 --> 00:07:10.820 Had meat available and his consciousness improved. 00:07:10.820 --> 00:07:14.780 So the professor thought there might have been 00:07:14.780 --> 00:07:19.500 a nutritional aspect to his change of consciousness 00:07:19.500 --> 00:07:21.480 at different times in his life. 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.980 - Okay, so are you, we'll get into the subject 00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:28.380 in more detail, but are you supporting 00:07:28.380 --> 00:07:32.700 the necessary protein requirement in a diet? 00:07:32.700 --> 00:07:34.700 I know that's something I don't want to offend 00:07:34.700 --> 00:07:36.900 the vegetarians. - Yeah, that was, yeah. 00:07:36.900 --> 00:07:41.900 If you're really seriously deficient in protein, 00:07:41.900 --> 00:07:45.920 it absolutely affects your consciousness. 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:50.900 A professor friend of mine in Mexico said that 00:07:50.900 --> 00:07:55.460 when some of his students at the university 00:07:55.460 --> 00:07:59.740 couldn't memorize things, he encouraged them 00:07:59.740 --> 00:08:04.740 to eat some protein and would invite them to dinner, 00:08:04.740 --> 00:08:07.300 feed them some protein. 00:08:07.300 --> 00:08:12.300 And when I was teaching language classes in Mexico City, 00:08:12.300 --> 00:08:16.140 some of my students absolutely couldn't remember 00:08:16.140 --> 00:08:18.020 anything that we went over. 00:08:18.020 --> 00:08:20.820 And so I would start my classes with, 00:08:20.820 --> 00:08:25.820 I made funny little cookies out of eggs, 00:08:27.620 --> 00:08:31.380 sugar, and wheat germ, and I would serve those 00:08:31.380 --> 00:08:33.780 with a cup of coffee at the start of the class. 00:08:33.780 --> 00:08:38.860 Everyone was able to learn their lessons 00:08:38.860 --> 00:08:43.460 just with that little extra boost of protein, 00:08:43.460 --> 00:08:45.780 carbohydrate, and coffee. 00:08:45.780 --> 00:08:47.260 - Okay, 'cause I know we're gonna mention 00:08:47.260 --> 00:08:50.860 some of those dietary supplements, stroke nutrients, 00:08:50.860 --> 00:08:53.300 of which caffeine is one of them. 00:08:53.300 --> 00:08:58.300 Let's go on to explore the, gosh, 00:08:58.300 --> 00:09:03.460 the philosophy behind the current thinking 00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:07.140 based on some of these pioneering characters 00:09:07.140 --> 00:09:11.060 like Dostoyevsky and Chomsky, and there's several others 00:09:11.060 --> 00:09:13.500 that we'll hopefully get into a little bit later. 00:09:13.500 --> 00:09:19.140 In terms of the development of the understanding 00:09:19.140 --> 00:09:23.340 in which people remember things, 00:09:23.340 --> 00:09:28.340 and the conscious versus the unconscious in everyday life, 00:09:28.340 --> 00:09:32.140 as well as the subject of gestalt 00:09:32.140 --> 00:09:35.780 or the deja vu experience, 00:09:35.780 --> 00:09:39.980 how do you and how have you seen this development occur 00:09:39.980 --> 00:09:42.740 from a linguistic background? 00:09:42.740 --> 00:09:48.860 - In the 19th century, what Dostoyevsky was reacting to, 00:09:48.860 --> 00:09:51.780 for example, in his story, 00:09:51.780 --> 00:09:55.300 the dream of a strange fellow 00:09:55.300 --> 00:10:00.060 in which the hero of the story is suicidal 00:10:00.060 --> 00:10:05.060 because he sees the world as full of robots, 00:10:05.060 --> 00:10:10.580 people operating according to cause and effect, 00:10:10.580 --> 00:10:16.500 doing nothing other than what they're determined to do, 00:10:16.660 --> 00:10:19.860 and he's driven to suicide by that, 00:10:19.860 --> 00:10:24.860 but then has a dream that interrupts his suicide plan 00:10:24.860 --> 00:10:29.860 and he comes back and becomes an advocate 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:34.580 of the position of free will. 00:10:34.580 --> 00:10:36.220 At the time he was writing that, 00:10:36.220 --> 00:10:39.180 Europe, including Russia, 00:10:39.180 --> 00:10:44.180 was being swept by the mechanistic idea 00:10:45.180 --> 00:10:50.180 of Huxley, a friend of Charles Darwin, 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:55.380 advocated the idea that molecules in the brain 00:10:55.380 --> 00:11:01.180 selected by evolution are absolutely in control 00:11:01.180 --> 00:11:05.660 of our thoughts and our mind is simply a shadow 00:11:05.660 --> 00:11:11.940 of this determined mechanism. 00:11:11.940 --> 00:11:16.940 And Darwin said that he appreciated 00:11:16.940 --> 00:11:21.740 having such a nice robot friend. 00:11:21.740 --> 00:11:27.380 Darwin didn't approve of that mechanistic idea 00:11:27.380 --> 00:11:31.620 of consciousness, but he sort of joked 00:11:31.620 --> 00:11:36.060 about Huxley's mechanical belief. 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:40.780 But that idea has persisted 00:11:40.780 --> 00:11:45.780 and in my generation and subsequently, 00:11:45.780 --> 00:11:51.460 the outstanding figures have been Noam Chomsky 00:11:51.460 --> 00:11:56.460 with his idea that genes determine what he called rules, 00:11:56.460 --> 00:12:04.100 transformational rules that limit or determine 00:12:04.100 --> 00:12:10.340 what language, the form that language takes 00:12:10.340 --> 00:12:14.700 and the reason we can speak is because our genes 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:16.460 specify these rules. 00:12:16.460 --> 00:12:20.140 But 30 years later, he said, 00:12:20.140 --> 00:12:22.500 well, rules can't explain anything, 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:26.180 but lots of people didn't notice 00:12:26.180 --> 00:12:31.180 that he said it was all a mistake 00:12:31.180 --> 00:12:34.900 because in fact, he still is sort of committed 00:12:34.900 --> 00:12:39.900 to all of that academic work 00:12:40.500 --> 00:12:44.420 publication on genetic determinism. 00:12:44.420 --> 00:12:50.020 And the so-called cognitive science 00:12:50.020 --> 00:12:54.780 and artificial intelligence are closely related 00:12:54.780 --> 00:12:59.780 to the Chomsky position using the digital computer 00:12:59.780 --> 00:13:06.620 as a model for understanding human intelligence. 00:13:06.620 --> 00:13:11.620 And since computers, since the late 1940s 00:13:11.620 --> 00:13:19.460 have been digital computers rather than analog computers, 00:13:19.460 --> 00:13:24.820 that has led to a digitalization 00:13:24.820 --> 00:13:28.140 of their consciousness theories. 00:13:28.140 --> 00:13:32.540 But it's definitely not something 00:13:32.540 --> 00:13:37.540 that grew out of biological understanding necessarily, 00:13:37.540 --> 00:13:42.580 except through that robot philosophy 00:13:42.580 --> 00:13:44.580 of Huxley and others. 00:13:44.580 --> 00:13:46.420 - Now, I just want to interrupt a little bit. 00:13:46.420 --> 00:13:49.220 When you say Huxley, I think of Aldous Huxley, but-- 00:13:49.220 --> 00:13:50.060 - No. 00:13:50.060 --> 00:13:53.500 I can't think of his first name. 00:13:53.500 --> 00:13:54.420 - No problem. 00:13:54.420 --> 00:13:56.060 - The grandfather of Aldous. 00:13:56.060 --> 00:13:56.900 - Oh, okay. 00:13:56.900 --> 00:13:57.740 I was related then. 00:14:01.020 --> 00:14:02.300 'Cause he was a gentleman that wrote 00:14:02.300 --> 00:14:04.580 "The Doors of Perception." 00:14:04.580 --> 00:14:06.020 - That was Aldous, the grandson. 00:14:06.020 --> 00:14:06.940 - Yeah, yeah, okay. 00:14:06.940 --> 00:14:07.940 All right, carry on. 00:14:07.940 --> 00:14:12.860 Okay, so you're saying that Chomsky 00:14:12.860 --> 00:14:16.420 did have a position that was, 00:14:16.420 --> 00:14:18.220 I think you're trying to say that he didn't have 00:14:18.220 --> 00:14:20.860 the position that was allied to the digital 00:14:20.860 --> 00:14:21.980 or the digitized-- 00:14:21.980 --> 00:14:25.940 - Yeah, the rules were determined by genes 00:14:25.940 --> 00:14:30.340 so that they were developed simultaneously 00:14:30.340 --> 00:14:33.860 with the modeling of the brain 00:14:33.860 --> 00:14:37.620 in terms of the digital analog computer. 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:41.580 And the idea that the brain cells communicate 00:14:41.580 --> 00:14:47.460 according to an on/off, all or nothing signaling 00:14:47.460 --> 00:14:53.660 was derived from that same kind of quantizing philosophy 00:14:56.020 --> 00:15:00.220 that the switch of a digital computer, 00:15:00.220 --> 00:15:04.340 each bit of information is just on or off. 00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:07.940 And that was taken up by biology 00:15:07.940 --> 00:15:12.940 with the idea that when a nerve fires and is active 00:15:12.940 --> 00:15:16.580 and then becomes quiet, 00:15:16.580 --> 00:15:18.740 that's all the information that was sent, 00:15:18.740 --> 00:15:21.900 one impulse, one bit of information. 00:15:21.900 --> 00:15:26.900 But P.K. Anokhin in Russia, 00:15:26.900 --> 00:15:32.260 who grew up with thinking such as Fyodor Dostoevsky's, 00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:38.500 was critical of that idea. 00:15:38.500 --> 00:15:41.860 And many other people have noticed 00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:44.820 that you can't explain hearing 00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:49.740 and the full range of volume, of frequency, 00:15:49.740 --> 00:15:54.060 and tonal quality and such transmitted on nerves 00:15:54.060 --> 00:15:56.660 which are only on/off switches. 00:15:56.660 --> 00:16:00.980 And so P.K. Anokhin followed through 00:16:00.980 --> 00:16:03.940 many types of experiment and showed 00:16:03.940 --> 00:16:08.940 that it's probably impossible to explain brain function 00:16:08.940 --> 00:16:14.620 on the analogy of a computer using binary digit 00:16:14.620 --> 00:16:18.940 types of information. 00:16:19.140 --> 00:16:21.420 - Right, right, being either on or off. 00:16:21.420 --> 00:16:26.420 I mean, I think we'd probably all want to imagine, 00:16:26.420 --> 00:16:29.340 certainly with the greatest of hope, 00:16:29.340 --> 00:16:34.340 that the digital on/off is definitely not what we are 00:16:34.340 --> 00:16:36.540 as people and that there's so much more 00:16:36.540 --> 00:16:38.340 to biological living systems 00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:41.540 than what science would readily explain by the on/off. 00:16:41.540 --> 00:16:43.380 And that's how these kind of breakthroughs 00:16:43.380 --> 00:16:47.060 in quantum physics are occurring 00:16:47.060 --> 00:16:51.540 and how Einstein's theories are being challenged 00:16:51.540 --> 00:16:56.060 in terms of the latest thoughts on physics 00:16:56.060 --> 00:16:59.980 and how matter is interacting and space and time 00:16:59.980 --> 00:17:02.900 all interact to produce this other dimension 00:17:02.900 --> 00:17:06.100 that I think we all like to imagine 00:17:06.100 --> 00:17:09.580 that we are living in, in a biological way, 00:17:09.580 --> 00:17:14.580 that we are influenced far more acutely by our environment 00:17:15.220 --> 00:17:18.700 and that there's so much more to us than is going on 00:17:18.700 --> 00:17:21.020 that could otherwise be explained by nerve firing, 00:17:21.020 --> 00:17:24.420 as you say, the example of electrical impulses 00:17:24.420 --> 00:17:28.220 being generated, traveling down a nerve axon, 00:17:28.220 --> 00:17:31.180 crossing the synaptic cleft, reaching the receptor, 00:17:31.180 --> 00:17:35.100 having an effect, and then triggering a chemical impulse 00:17:35.100 --> 00:17:39.060 in the brain, say, or a secretion of a hormone 00:17:39.060 --> 00:17:40.740 or a neurotransmitter. 00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:44.820 There certainly is much more to thinking 00:17:44.820 --> 00:17:47.100 and cognition than just straight on/off. 00:17:47.100 --> 00:17:47.940 So- 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:49.420 - Yeah, in Anokin's view, 00:17:49.420 --> 00:17:53.220 it would be more like a picture traveling down each nerve, 00:17:53.220 --> 00:18:00.620 but not necessarily traveling at the time of the impulse, 00:18:00.620 --> 00:18:05.140 but that each nerve would be transmitting 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:08.820 complex information, not just a bit. 00:18:08.820 --> 00:18:13.820 And these quantum-related ideas, 00:18:13.860 --> 00:18:18.860 the essential ideas there are resonance and coherence, 00:18:18.860 --> 00:18:26.900 the interrelatedness of things separated in space and time. 00:18:26.900 --> 00:18:35.220 And those were part of biology back when quantum, 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:40.500 when Gestalt psychology was current in the '30s, 00:18:43.820 --> 00:18:45.900 '40s, and even into the '50s, 00:18:45.900 --> 00:18:50.900 people were still arguing in favor of the Gestalt 00:18:50.900 --> 00:18:56.340 as being an image having a space-filling function 00:18:56.340 --> 00:19:03.300 in the brain in some way reflecting the spatial 00:19:03.300 --> 00:19:07.500 and temporal arrangement in the real world. 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:13.340 And that was developed at the same time 00:19:13.340 --> 00:19:16.540 that the field concept in embryology 00:19:16.540 --> 00:19:20.820 was the main line of thinking. 00:19:20.820 --> 00:19:25.820 And all of those ideas were replaced by a digitalization 00:19:25.820 --> 00:19:32.140 and a mechanization of biological causality 00:19:32.140 --> 00:19:35.460 around between 1945 and 1950. 00:19:35.460 --> 00:19:41.740 And in that pre-computer time, 00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:47.220 quite a few people were talking about the resonance 00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:51.740 from sensory interactions, for example, 00:19:51.740 --> 00:19:55.220 in the nose would be a molecule vibrating, 00:19:55.220 --> 00:20:01.140 stimulating some kind of an analogous vibration 00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:06.220 so that in effect, the actual aroma of a molecule 00:20:06.220 --> 00:20:11.660 would be reproduced along the nerve and in the brain. 00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:17.660 So that the brain itself would contain the smell in effect. 00:20:17.660 --> 00:20:22.700 Or when an image, when light is absorbed 00:20:22.700 --> 00:20:27.340 by vitamin A molecule in the retina, 00:20:27.340 --> 00:20:33.220 it would excite a resonance of a similar luminous quality 00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:37.660 that would travel down the nerve 00:20:37.660 --> 00:20:40.060 and be reproduced in the brain 00:20:40.060 --> 00:20:44.900 so that in the gestalt view, 00:20:44.900 --> 00:20:48.900 you would actually have something like a luminous event 00:20:48.900 --> 00:20:53.460 in the brain when you saw light in the world. 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:58.580 - What makes me think at this point in time, 00:20:58.580 --> 00:21:01.700 I'm thinking of those, not for the sake 00:21:01.700 --> 00:21:03.500 that it was found to be a little bogus in the end, 00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:06.980 but the Uri Geller type effect where he was shown, 00:21:06.980 --> 00:21:10.460 or if someone was shown a picture, an image of a star, 00:21:10.460 --> 00:21:14.780 and they were gonna transmit this to Uri by thought, 00:21:14.780 --> 00:21:19.340 that kind of thing, I'm sure does exist. 00:21:19.340 --> 00:21:22.940 And that is something that can be either learned 00:21:22.940 --> 00:21:27.940 or can be exercised in terms of thoughts 00:21:27.940 --> 00:21:31.100 traveling across space from one place to another, 00:21:31.100 --> 00:21:33.500 and how that can be incorporated 00:21:33.500 --> 00:21:36.780 into the kind of growing brain, if you like, 00:21:36.780 --> 00:21:39.860 through exercise or through, yeah, 00:21:39.860 --> 00:21:42.900 through exercise of that kind of behavior. 00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:45.420 Is that resonance or that coherence, 00:21:45.420 --> 00:21:48.580 anything similar to that kind of model 00:21:48.580 --> 00:21:51.980 where it's an extra sensory perception 00:21:51.980 --> 00:21:54.540 is transmitted across space from one person to another 00:21:54.540 --> 00:21:58.140 without actually the other person seeing the object? 00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:03.140 - Yeah, there are several experiments currently going on. 00:22:04.300 --> 00:22:07.460 The Noetic Institute, I think, has one 00:22:07.460 --> 00:22:09.500 with random number generators, 00:22:09.500 --> 00:22:13.820 but on the internet, you can see several 00:22:13.820 --> 00:22:15.940 very interesting experiments. 00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:20.260 Michael Persinger, a neurologist, 00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:24.540 has some interesting publications and videos 00:22:24.540 --> 00:22:29.300 in which he is arguing for a resonance 00:22:29.300 --> 00:22:32.260 between everyone's brain 00:22:32.260 --> 00:22:37.180 and the electromagnetic resonance frequencies 00:22:37.180 --> 00:22:41.380 of the Earth environment and the Earth resonating 00:22:41.380 --> 00:22:47.260 as a unit which can be sort of a medium 00:22:47.260 --> 00:22:51.860 through which individuals can resonate. 00:22:51.860 --> 00:22:55.540 - Okay, let me hold it, 00:22:55.540 --> 00:22:57.660 just get you to hold it there for a moment. 00:22:57.660 --> 00:22:59.060 You're listening to Ask Your Ob Doctor, 00:22:59.060 --> 00:23:01.340 on KMU DeGalbaville, 91.1 FM, 00:23:01.340 --> 00:23:04.140 and from 7.30 until the end of the show at eight o'clock, 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:06.380 you're invited to call in with any questions 00:23:06.380 --> 00:23:08.740 either related or unrelated to this month's subject 00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:12.460 of cognition, memory, and nutrition. 00:23:12.460 --> 00:23:15.340 Once again, we have guest speaker, Dr. Raymond Peat, 00:23:15.340 --> 00:23:19.940 bringing his 40 plus years of study 00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:23.780 on top of his academic background to bear on the subject. 00:23:23.780 --> 00:23:26.860 We are gonna get into the subject of brain nutrition 00:23:26.860 --> 00:23:29.060 in a while, but just to let people know 00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:32.140 that from 7.30 on, calls are welcome. 00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:34.980 Dr. Peat, that reminds me, anxiety. 00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:39.060 And you mentioned the Noetic Institute. 00:23:39.060 --> 00:23:44.060 So I was gonna bring up the subject of the noosphere, 00:23:44.060 --> 00:23:48.980 and that was proposed by a Russian, Vladimir Vernadsky. 00:23:48.980 --> 00:23:51.620 But is this Noetic Institute, it's the same thing, 00:23:51.620 --> 00:23:54.940 it's an institute for the study of the noosphere, 00:23:54.940 --> 00:23:55.780 perhaps, is it? 00:23:56.060 --> 00:23:57.820 (laughing) 00:23:57.820 --> 00:23:59.060 - Of consciousness? 00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:01.140 - Yeah, didn't you mention Michael Persinger 00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:03.260 and the Noetic Institute? 00:24:03.260 --> 00:24:07.580 - Oh, yeah, I don't know who's in charge 00:24:07.580 --> 00:24:11.500 of the Noetic Institute right now, but it's-- 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:13.220 - But there is an institute that's studying 00:24:13.220 --> 00:24:15.740 that the world of the mind, as it were, 00:24:15.740 --> 00:24:18.780 the world of conscious thought. 00:24:18.780 --> 00:24:21.580 - Yeah, yeah, that's included. 00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:27.100 - The priest, Teilhard de Chardin, 00:24:27.100 --> 00:24:33.020 followed Vernadsky's idea of the world 00:24:33.020 --> 00:24:37.940 becoming more and more conscious 00:24:37.940 --> 00:24:42.940 with supporting the growth of more and more 00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:47.700 conscious organisms, specifically people. 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:50.460 - Yeah, okay, and you know what, we actually have a caller. 00:24:50.460 --> 00:24:51.780 So let's take this first caller 00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:54.540 and see what direction we're going in. 00:24:54.540 --> 00:24:57.100 Okay, caller, you're on the air, and where are you from? 00:24:57.100 --> 00:24:59.500 - Hi, I'm calling from Mendocino. 00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:01.140 This is Jeff Wright on Mendocino Coast, 00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:04.260 and it's a beautiful day in paradise, as we say here. 00:25:04.260 --> 00:25:06.100 Yeah, I got a question for you, Dr. Peat, 00:25:06.100 --> 00:25:08.540 and I always appreciate your brilliant enlightenment 00:25:08.540 --> 00:25:11.140 to us all here, and you're taking the time to do this. 00:25:11.140 --> 00:25:16.140 I have heard of several cases where music is used 00:25:16.140 --> 00:25:19.580 for therapy for people who end up comatose 00:25:19.580 --> 00:25:22.380 and with spinal injuries, and it has led me 00:25:22.380 --> 00:25:27.380 to make the statement about magical, mystical, medicinal, 00:25:27.380 --> 00:25:31.100 musical moments, and those cumulatively 00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:32.980 can help people come back. 00:25:32.980 --> 00:25:36.260 It helps us on a daily basis by releasing endorphins, 00:25:36.260 --> 00:25:38.860 which insurance companies haven't figured out a way 00:25:38.860 --> 00:25:40.820 to get from us yet. 00:25:40.820 --> 00:25:43.060 No suggestions allowed on that one. 00:25:43.060 --> 00:25:46.980 But good music always brings those spinal chills 00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:49.460 and good feelings to the body, 00:25:49.460 --> 00:25:52.780 and in going with the resonance of the universe, 00:25:52.780 --> 00:25:55.660 since everything is vibrating, including string theory, 00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:58.460 strings vibrate on musical instruments, 00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:00.140 I'd just like to kind of put that out, 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:04.940 and I'll leave the line to see how you respond to that, 00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:06.620 and thanks again for all you do, man. 00:26:06.620 --> 00:26:07.940 - Okay, thanks for your call. 00:26:07.940 --> 00:26:12.460 So, Dr. Peat, how about music therapy? 00:26:12.460 --> 00:26:15.980 - Yeah, I think it's something much more subtle, 00:26:15.980 --> 00:26:19.300 but more powerful than endorphins. 00:26:19.300 --> 00:26:22.980 I think the very structure of nerves 00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:27.700 is a kind of resonance, 00:26:27.700 --> 00:26:32.700 and carries possibly as a semiconducting system, 00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:38.460 but it carries a function that's analogous 00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:44.660 to the objective music outside the body. 00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:49.660 And so when you give the organism a chance 00:26:49.660 --> 00:26:55.460 to relax and begin to respond to the music, 00:26:55.460 --> 00:27:01.100 you're reinforcing or enabling a process 00:27:01.100 --> 00:27:06.540 that is very basic to the life of the brain cells 00:27:06.540 --> 00:27:10.340 and all of the living organism. 00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:17.220 If you believed in the mechanistic cognitive science, 00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:22.380 artificial intelligence interpretation of consciousness, 00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:27.060 you would see the present moment 00:27:27.060 --> 00:27:31.340 as an infinitesimally thin division 00:27:31.340 --> 00:27:35.100 between past and future that's moving along 00:27:35.100 --> 00:27:37.940 like a line on the graph, 00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:43.940 analogous to a certain measurement of depth, 00:27:43.940 --> 00:27:49.220 width, and height, except moving along the timeline. 00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:53.380 But the unreality of that, 00:27:53.380 --> 00:27:57.700 the complete nonsensicalness of it, in fact, 00:27:57.700 --> 00:28:00.580 you can see when you whistle a tune, 00:28:00.580 --> 00:28:03.860 or listen to music, 00:28:03.860 --> 00:28:08.860 or see a performer who is doing a performance 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:13.940 in an intricately whole and organized way 00:28:13.940 --> 00:28:19.620 of song or other performance, 00:28:19.620 --> 00:28:24.620 a director who can organize everything in the orchestra 00:28:24.620 --> 00:28:32.260 to produce the desired effect 00:28:32.260 --> 00:28:37.260 is having to see where the particular moment is going 00:28:38.340 --> 00:28:39.620 and where it has been. 00:28:39.620 --> 00:28:44.660 The pace of the music and all of the qualities 00:28:44.660 --> 00:28:49.420 that are developing in each moment 00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:54.140 depend on what you're perceiving to come 00:28:54.140 --> 00:28:56.980 and as recently past. 00:28:56.980 --> 00:29:01.980 So the brain is like a musical composition. 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:06.060 It doesn't exist only in the present. 00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:11.140 The moment of consciousness spans time 00:29:11.140 --> 00:29:17.140 so that you're simultaneously present 00:29:17.140 --> 00:29:23.900 in an infinity of these infinitesimally thin presences. 00:29:23.900 --> 00:29:28.940 - Interesting, okay. 00:29:28.940 --> 00:29:32.100 I just, another thought process has gone off in my mind 00:29:32.100 --> 00:29:37.100 of the Buddhistic kind of teachings of stilling the mind 00:29:37.100 --> 00:29:39.620 as being a way to enlightenment. 00:29:39.620 --> 00:29:41.580 And I wanted to bring up the other subject of, 00:29:41.580 --> 00:29:44.700 you mentioned that there was some test that was done 00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:47.060 and it took groups of people, 00:29:47.060 --> 00:29:50.340 some of who were lying down to perform the test 00:29:50.340 --> 00:29:52.540 and some of which were standing up to perform a test 00:29:52.540 --> 00:29:53.900 and how measurably better they did 00:29:53.900 --> 00:29:54.780 when they were lying down. 00:29:54.780 --> 00:29:58.580 So how do you see that stilling the mind 00:29:58.580 --> 00:30:03.220 and releasing yourself from anxiety as a mechanism 00:30:03.220 --> 00:30:06.740 to which your brain would be more active, 00:30:06.740 --> 00:30:09.340 more effective? 00:30:09.340 --> 00:30:13.700 - I think it's a matter of the breadth of time 00:30:13.700 --> 00:30:16.780 that your consciousness, when you're standing up, 00:30:16.780 --> 00:30:19.740 you're ready to react quickly, 00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:24.500 but to a short-term influence. 00:30:24.500 --> 00:30:29.500 When you're lying down, you refer your reference of meaning 00:30:29.500 --> 00:30:33.820 goes out farther in all directions 00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:36.580 what you're going to do and what you've been doing 00:30:36.580 --> 00:30:39.820 come into the picture. 00:30:39.820 --> 00:30:44.820 And that allows you to achieve a better product 00:30:44.820 --> 00:30:50.020 in whatever you're thinking about 00:30:50.020 --> 00:30:53.620 than if you're under the pressure 00:30:53.620 --> 00:30:58.620 of meeting an immediate result. 00:30:58.620 --> 00:31:01.020 And when you're standing up, 00:31:01.020 --> 00:31:05.260 you're ready to move quickly when you're lying down, 00:31:05.260 --> 00:31:10.260 you're relaxed and your mind can go out in time and space. 00:31:10.260 --> 00:31:14.540 - That's probably some of the reason 00:31:14.540 --> 00:31:17.940 why the psychologists want you lying on the couch 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:22.220 whilst they conduct their inquiry. 00:31:22.220 --> 00:31:25.460 - Yeah, and when you're under stress, 00:31:27.060 --> 00:31:32.060 glucose is the immediate source of energy. 00:31:32.060 --> 00:31:38.860 Well, electrons probably are the immediate source 00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:42.580 of the carbon dioxide produced from the glucose 00:31:42.580 --> 00:31:47.580 acts to modify the electronic properties of your cell 00:31:47.580 --> 00:31:53.380 so that it can perform these resonant, 00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:55.740 coherent interactions. 00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:59.580 But glucose is the material 00:31:59.580 --> 00:32:03.500 that keeps that conscious process possible. 00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:06.020 And if you're under stress 00:32:06.020 --> 00:32:08.740 and they're using your glucose too fast 00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:10.900 or don't have enough of it available, 00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:16.780 then your nervous processes go into an emergency state 00:32:16.780 --> 00:32:21.700 where only the here and now, 00:32:23.100 --> 00:32:28.100 the immediate present and location are relevant. 00:32:28.100 --> 00:32:33.820 And so anxiety associated with hypoglycemia or stress 00:32:33.820 --> 00:32:40.500 will flatten the way your consciousness works. 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:43.940 And it might give you quick reactions, 00:32:43.940 --> 00:32:46.220 but they aren't necessarily going to be 00:32:46.220 --> 00:32:48.700 the most interesting reactions. 00:32:48.700 --> 00:32:50.300 - Again, so once again, we've, 00:32:50.300 --> 00:32:57.540 touting glucose as positive, helpful, creative, energetic 00:32:57.540 --> 00:33:02.740 when constantly, I can't believe the amount of times 00:33:02.740 --> 00:33:05.580 I see adverts for low sugar this, low sugar that, 00:33:05.580 --> 00:33:08.220 and hear people talking about how bad sugar is 00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:10.980 and it does this and it does that and it causes cancer. 00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:12.380 It's completely the opposite. 00:33:12.380 --> 00:33:15.020 I don't know how people can be so brainwashed. 00:33:16.940 --> 00:33:21.940 - If a person has been under stress 00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:27.020 and not eating very well, besides protein, 00:33:27.020 --> 00:33:29.620 vitamin B1 is sometimes the thing 00:33:29.620 --> 00:33:32.780 that can make the biggest difference most quickly. 00:33:32.780 --> 00:33:37.620 When it's absorbed, if you've been deficient in it, 00:33:37.620 --> 00:33:40.700 well, a great deficiency can cause psychosis 00:33:40.700 --> 00:33:42.220 and hallucinations and so on, 00:33:42.260 --> 00:33:47.060 but a mild deficiency can just make you feel sluggish 00:33:47.060 --> 00:33:52.060 and depressed and not have a very good short-term memory, 00:33:52.060 --> 00:33:57.220 not able to remember what you want 00:33:57.220 --> 00:34:02.220 or function as acutely as you should. 00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:07.100 When you take that in a deficient condition, 00:34:07.100 --> 00:34:12.100 suddenly your whole mood and world seems to change. 00:34:13.060 --> 00:34:14.260 - What kind of dose would you say, 00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:16.460 physiologically, is sufficient? 00:34:16.460 --> 00:34:21.460 - Oh, I've experienced it with as little as 10 milligrams, 00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:26.260 but if it's just for an emergency, 00:34:26.260 --> 00:34:28.620 100 milligrams is okay. 00:34:28.620 --> 00:34:30.380 - All right, we actually have another caller on the air, 00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:34.180 so before we lose the thread of that B1 deficiency, 00:34:34.180 --> 00:34:35.260 let's take this next caller. 00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:37.660 You're on the air, and where are you from? 00:34:37.660 --> 00:34:39.100 - Hello, is that me? 00:34:39.100 --> 00:34:39.940 - Yeah, you're on the air. 00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:40.780 Where are you calling from? 00:34:40.780 --> 00:34:42.060 - Hi, I'm from New Jersey. 00:34:42.060 --> 00:34:43.140 - New Jersey, hi. 00:34:43.140 --> 00:34:44.060 - I've been on before, 00:34:44.060 --> 00:34:45.780 and I thank you so much for what you do. 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:48.420 This is just a fascinating show. 00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.780 Dr. Peat, I was reading, and I'm so sorry, 00:34:52.780 --> 00:34:55.460 this shows you where my sort of brain fog is. 00:34:55.460 --> 00:34:57.620 I deleted this beautiful quote 00:34:57.620 --> 00:35:02.020 about how neurogenesis can take place in the hippocampus, 00:35:02.020 --> 00:35:05.460 but also in the olfactory bulb. 00:35:05.460 --> 00:35:08.580 And he went on to describe how, 00:35:08.580 --> 00:35:12.820 if I'm remembering, the hippocampus 00:35:12.820 --> 00:35:15.980 could be stimulated by exercise, 00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:20.740 but I think we are hearing that from so many quarters 00:35:20.740 --> 00:35:22.820 that maybe we don't need to explore that. 00:35:22.820 --> 00:35:26.220 I would like to explore the olfactory aspect. 00:35:26.220 --> 00:35:28.860 Can one go around smelling things 00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:33.620 and start firing neurons or creating new neurons? 00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:39.020 - Yeah, Luca Turin, a perfume specialist, 00:35:39.020 --> 00:35:43.300 has some very good videos on the internet, 00:35:43.300 --> 00:35:46.180 one on pharmacology, 00:35:46.180 --> 00:35:51.180 but he's talking about antidepressant drugs in that case, 00:35:51.180 --> 00:35:56.500 but really his main interest is in olfaction. 00:35:56.500 --> 00:36:01.020 And I think that along with Heraclitus, 00:36:01.020 --> 00:36:06.020 who talked about the nose essences 00:36:06.020 --> 00:36:12.060 as being at the center of consciousness, 00:36:12.060 --> 00:36:20.060 really the olfactory system is very closely connected 00:36:20.060 --> 00:36:25.460 with our highest and best conceptual work. 00:36:25.460 --> 00:36:28.140 - Wow. 00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:33.700 Pardon me, you said Luca Turin, 00:36:33.700 --> 00:36:36.140 and the second name was who? 00:36:36.140 --> 00:36:38.260 - First name is L-U-C-A, Luca, 00:36:38.260 --> 00:36:42.540 and Turin, T-U-R-I-N, last name. 00:36:42.540 --> 00:36:45.140 - Okay, and then you mentioned another individual. 00:36:45.140 --> 00:36:45.980 Am I right? 00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:48.940 - Another? 00:36:48.940 --> 00:36:51.780 - Another name? - A different person. 00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:57.620 - I don't recall. 00:36:57.620 --> 00:36:58.540 - Okay, all right. 00:36:58.540 --> 00:37:01.020 Well, I'll listen to the archived version. 00:37:01.020 --> 00:37:06.460 And would we have to, I mean, I guess what you're saying 00:37:06.460 --> 00:37:08.580 is that, you know, I'm gonna explore this, 00:37:08.580 --> 00:37:09.780 I'm gonna look into this, 00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:12.340 but in your understanding, is there, 00:37:12.340 --> 00:37:15.260 would we perhaps have to surround ourselves 00:37:15.260 --> 00:37:17.580 with a particular kind of smell? 00:37:17.580 --> 00:37:20.660 I mean, if you know, I mean, would it have to be acrid 00:37:20.660 --> 00:37:24.540 or as opposed to sweet or, do you understand me? 00:37:24.540 --> 00:37:28.940 - Oh, no, just the becoming conscious 00:37:28.940 --> 00:37:31.140 of the smells around you. 00:37:31.140 --> 00:37:37.340 And each type of smell has its inclination 00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:44.660 to reinforce certain types of function. 00:37:44.660 --> 00:37:49.540 But the whole process of becoming conscious 00:37:49.540 --> 00:37:53.020 of odors in your environment, 00:37:54.140 --> 00:37:56.900 that's very closely connected 00:37:56.900 --> 00:37:59.780 with the higher parts of the brain. 00:37:59.780 --> 00:38:05.820 And conceptually, you can use odors to stimulate memory. 00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:18.780 The way they connect to the rest of the brain, 00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:23.060 you can sometimes, with a thought, 00:38:23.060 --> 00:38:25.900 you can associate the memory of a smell, 00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:28.740 and sometimes the smell can bring back 00:38:28.740 --> 00:38:30.100 certain types of thought. 00:38:30.100 --> 00:38:35.740 And the stimulation of the hippocampus, 00:38:35.740 --> 00:38:41.940 any type of experience helps to stimulate that. 00:38:41.940 --> 00:38:47.220 For example, taxi drivers in a big city 00:38:47.220 --> 00:38:52.220 who have learned all the streets have a bigger hippocampus. 00:38:53.100 --> 00:38:58.100 But stimulation works everywhere in the brain. 00:38:58.100 --> 00:39:02.540 Nerve cells are maintaining each other 00:39:02.540 --> 00:39:06.460 so that anything you do consciously 00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:09.620 is tending to enliven the rest of your brain. 00:39:09.620 --> 00:39:14.340 It just happens that vision and smell 00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:18.660 are among the very powerful things. 00:39:19.580 --> 00:39:24.580 Music has the function of extending us through the moment, 00:39:24.580 --> 00:39:29.900 expanding our moment that we feel present. 00:39:29.900 --> 00:39:35.740 But the mechanists proposed an idea of memory 00:39:35.740 --> 00:39:41.620 that was sort of like a computer 00:39:41.620 --> 00:39:47.180 in which you could, in one type of computer, 00:39:47.180 --> 00:39:51.700 you could say that memory was punching a hole 00:39:51.700 --> 00:39:56.500 in a piece of paper or putting a signal on a tape, 00:39:56.500 --> 00:40:00.100 some definite thing that you could find later, 00:40:00.100 --> 00:40:05.100 go back to that card or that tape and repeat that signal. 00:40:05.100 --> 00:40:10.220 And so they said, well, there's some kind 00:40:10.220 --> 00:40:12.580 of a signaling process in the brain 00:40:12.580 --> 00:40:16.300 in which we might make a specific protein 00:40:16.300 --> 00:40:19.340 or RNA molecule and sort of drop it 00:40:19.340 --> 00:40:24.700 in a certain location for later use. 00:40:24.700 --> 00:40:29.340 But if you think about the type of process 00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:31.100 that you would have to go through 00:40:31.100 --> 00:40:34.740 to find the right memory molecule when you needed it, 00:40:34.740 --> 00:40:40.620 the process and apparatus with which you would find 00:40:40.620 --> 00:40:44.460 that molecule already explains 00:40:44.460 --> 00:40:49.180 that you know where it is that you have the memory. 00:40:49.180 --> 00:40:52.820 So you already have the memory in effect 00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:55.340 if you can go to find the molecule. 00:40:55.340 --> 00:41:00.340 Otherwise, molecules would just be jumping at you randomly 00:41:00.340 --> 00:41:05.060 and your memory would be like a computer 00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:08.300 that spews out things at random. 00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:11.340 - And I think you indicated, 00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:13.180 I know sometimes I've smelled something 00:41:13.180 --> 00:41:15.500 and it has evoked memories 00:41:15.500 --> 00:41:17.820 that I thought were forgotten. 00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:23.820 - Yeah, that's, oh, Heraclitus was the person I mentioned, 00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:25.100 the Greek philosopher. 00:41:25.100 --> 00:41:31.260 Simply, so many people have noticed that, 00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:36.260 that an odor can recall a whole situation 00:41:36.260 --> 00:41:41.580 that you thought you had forgotten. 00:41:43.100 --> 00:41:45.100 Many things, much fun. 00:41:45.100 --> 00:41:47.260 I'm gonna say bye-bye for now. 00:41:47.260 --> 00:41:48.100 Bye. - Okay. 00:41:48.100 --> 00:41:49.580 Thank you for your call, Carla. 00:41:49.580 --> 00:41:52.340 Okay, so we've got Dr. Ray P on the show with us tonight. 00:41:52.340 --> 00:41:54.460 We're exploring cognition, memory, 00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:55.940 and nutritional factors 00:41:55.940 --> 00:41:58.940 that will support cognition and memory. 00:41:58.940 --> 00:42:02.740 Number here, if you live in the areas, 923-3911, 00:42:02.740 --> 00:42:05.340 or if you're outside the area, 00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:10.340 there's a toll-free number, which is 1-800-KMUD-RAD. 00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:12.620 Okay, so until eight o'clock, 00:42:12.620 --> 00:42:14.060 people are invited to call in. 00:42:14.060 --> 00:42:16.260 Dr. Peat, getting back to nutrition, 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:18.060 you talked about B1 deficiency 00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:21.740 as a cause of a poor cognition 00:42:21.740 --> 00:42:25.180 and using as little as 10 milligrams. 00:42:25.180 --> 00:42:26.420 And I know that those foods 00:42:26.420 --> 00:42:31.060 that typically people might associate the B1 00:42:31.060 --> 00:42:34.460 will be things like sunflower seeds and bread, 00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:35.820 but there are other things. 00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:39.500 I heard that macadamia nuts have some B1 in them. 00:42:39.500 --> 00:42:41.060 Are there any other sources of B1 00:42:41.060 --> 00:42:45.740 that you say would be a good quality source of B1? 00:42:45.740 --> 00:42:50.380 - Oh, all of the animal foods. 00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:52.060 Eggs, milk, cheese. 00:42:52.060 --> 00:42:54.820 - Yeah, okay, all right. 00:42:54.820 --> 00:42:56.340 Okay, and I wanted to question you 00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.540 a little more about vitamin A. 00:42:58.540 --> 00:43:01.460 I know you said, and link this with anxiety. 00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:04.820 When you're very keen to stress that anxiety 00:43:04.820 --> 00:43:07.100 puts us in a very bad position 00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:09.380 to be able to remember things, to learn things, 00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:11.300 to have our brain working properly, 00:43:11.300 --> 00:43:16.300 and the whole anti-anxiety supplements 00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:18.180 that would reduce anxiety. 00:43:18.180 --> 00:43:25.620 - Yeah, vitamin A, besides being a matter of sensitivity 00:43:25.620 --> 00:43:31.900 to electronic excitation, such as in the eye 00:43:31.900 --> 00:43:35.780 and acting sort of as an antenna 00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:39.340 for interacting with electromagnetic energy, 00:43:39.340 --> 00:43:45.220 the other region of vitamin A activity 00:43:45.220 --> 00:43:50.900 is in activating the enzymes that make steroids, 00:43:50.900 --> 00:43:54.820 and especially brain steroids, 00:43:54.820 --> 00:43:58.100 so that if your vitamin A is deficient, 00:43:58.100 --> 00:44:03.100 you not only have poor vision and skin problems and so on, 00:44:03.100 --> 00:44:08.100 but your ability to make pregnenolone, progesterone, DHEA, 00:44:08.100 --> 00:44:12.500 and their derivatives is limited, 00:44:12.500 --> 00:44:17.500 and the brain is the major steroid-forming organ. 00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:24.020 The skin, the gonads, adrenals, and the brain. 00:44:24.020 --> 00:44:27.300 The brain is probably the most powerful 00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:30.860 steroid-forming organ when it's working right, 00:44:30.860 --> 00:44:33.380 and vitamin A is essential for making those. 00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:39.900 - Okay, I got a thought about the misplaced belief 00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:42.300 that fish oils are good for you, 00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:46.560 although there is a lot of vitamin A in halibut liver oil, 00:44:46.560 --> 00:44:49.700 and I think in the past, 00:44:49.700 --> 00:44:54.140 when we've discussed vitamin A and its sources, 00:44:54.140 --> 00:44:58.060 that halibut oil has such a concentrated form of vitamin A 00:44:58.060 --> 00:45:02.260 and so little PUFA, which is the whole point 00:45:02.260 --> 00:45:07.260 of avoiding the fish oils, that it's relatively safe. 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:10.100 I know little will contain it too, 00:45:10.100 --> 00:45:12.300 but what else would you say about 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:15.840 the amount of vitamin A in liver, for example, 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.540 as a good nutritional food source 00:45:17.540 --> 00:45:20.580 versus halibut liver oil? 00:45:20.580 --> 00:45:25.300 - Well, the halibut liver oil gives you a lot of vitamin A 00:45:25.300 --> 00:45:30.300 and some vitamin D and probably traces of vitamin E as well, 00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:37.020 and not too much of the PUFA, so it's a good source. 00:45:37.020 --> 00:45:37.860 - Okay. 00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:42.300 - The liver itself, fish liver or chicken liver, 00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:46.540 beef liver, any kind of liver is a great source of vitamin A. 00:45:46.540 --> 00:45:49.780 - Yeah, and then eggs, I guess, are another. 00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:50.700 - Yeah. - Yeah. 00:45:50.700 --> 00:45:52.980 - And milk and cheese. - Of course, dairy, okay. 00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:57.980 - And vitamin B12 happens to be crucial 00:45:57.980 --> 00:46:02.060 for turning carotene into vitamin A. 00:46:02.060 --> 00:46:06.420 - Okay, okay, all right. 00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:09.140 So there's three things there then 00:46:09.140 --> 00:46:13.300 that can be definitely, yeah, 00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:15.900 relegated to the brain food section. 00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:19.540 So vitamin A, B1, and then B12, 00:46:19.540 --> 00:46:22.660 because of its help converting carotene, 00:46:22.660 --> 00:46:24.540 beta-carotene to vitamin A. 00:46:24.540 --> 00:46:27.620 What kind of things would use up someone's, 00:46:27.620 --> 00:46:30.140 apart from somebody not consuming enough vitamin A 00:46:30.140 --> 00:46:31.780 in their diet, there are definitely things 00:46:31.780 --> 00:46:36.020 that will consume vitamin A, so that even if you do eat some 00:46:36.020 --> 00:46:37.580 of those vitamin A-containing foods, 00:46:37.580 --> 00:46:39.340 you may actually be deficient. 00:46:39.340 --> 00:46:46.660 - Ultraviolet exposure destroys it very easily in your skin, 00:46:46.660 --> 00:46:51.740 and that's one of the things involved in sunburn. 00:46:52.620 --> 00:46:56.020 Vitamin A reacts with the ultraviolet 00:46:56.020 --> 00:47:01.020 and then spreads the damage to any unsaturated fats 00:47:01.020 --> 00:47:02.660 that are in your skin. 00:47:02.660 --> 00:47:04.260 - Huh, interesting. 00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:07.500 So in this sense, then sunlight exposure 00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:09.060 is not particularly good for you, 00:47:09.060 --> 00:47:12.340 although you have to weigh up the pros and cons 00:47:12.340 --> 00:47:14.500 of adequate vitamin D from sunlight, 00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:17.940 and/or the other beneficial effects of red light 00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:19.860 and electron quenching. 00:47:19.860 --> 00:47:24.100 - And vitamin E protects against that breakdown 00:47:24.100 --> 00:47:25.820 and destruction of vitamin A. 00:47:25.820 --> 00:47:26.660 - Is that right? 00:47:26.660 --> 00:47:28.740 Okay, so if you were to supplement with vitamin E, 00:47:28.740 --> 00:47:31.540 and again, a vitamin E supplementation would be coming 00:47:31.540 --> 00:47:36.540 from something like wheat germ oil, but any other-- 00:47:36.540 --> 00:47:42.340 - Yeah, liver and milk and butter all have some vitamin E. 00:47:42.340 --> 00:47:47.060 - Okay, so there are other factors, then, 00:47:47.060 --> 00:47:51.340 that would increase someone's ability to retain information 00:47:51.340 --> 00:47:55.860 and/or develop, for want of a better word, new connections. 00:47:55.860 --> 00:48:00.180 And energetically, that's an important consideration. 00:48:00.180 --> 00:48:03.340 If you don't have sufficient energy in the system 00:48:03.340 --> 00:48:04.700 to drive those things, 00:48:04.700 --> 00:48:07.460 then it's not gonna be possible to work efficiently. 00:48:07.460 --> 00:48:11.620 And I know that you would suggest thyroid 00:48:11.620 --> 00:48:15.740 and other, maybe pregnenolone or progesterone 00:48:15.740 --> 00:48:18.900 as anti-estrogen substances that would also work 00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:19.740 towards that. 00:48:19.740 --> 00:48:26.060 - Yeah, and serotonin is, when you're under stress 00:48:26.060 --> 00:48:32.020 or are eating irritating foods, 00:48:32.020 --> 00:48:37.260 your intestine gets inflamed and releases extra serotonin, 00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:43.180 which some of it can get to the brain 00:48:43.180 --> 00:48:47.580 and signal the stress system. 00:48:47.580 --> 00:48:51.380 And then signaling the stress system 00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:55.780 can activate other serotonin-producing systems 00:48:55.780 --> 00:48:58.980 that can create a vicious circle. 00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:03.900 - Would this be part of an endotoxin-type scenario? 00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:08.900 - Yeah, endotoxin triggers nitric oxide and serotonin 00:49:10.300 --> 00:49:14.380 and various types of stress and depression 00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:20.340 tend to slow nerve function in many ways. 00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:26.020 And people experience it as a feeling of need to withdraw, 00:49:26.020 --> 00:49:30.660 being depressed or anxious, 00:49:30.660 --> 00:49:33.260 sometimes defensive and aggressive. 00:49:33.260 --> 00:49:39.820 If you feed rats beans, for example, 00:49:40.580 --> 00:49:45.580 containing the soluble fibers that can feed bacteria 00:49:45.580 --> 00:49:50.980 that create irritation and increase the serotonin, 00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:55.260 the rats become both anxious and aggressive, 00:49:55.260 --> 00:50:00.820 fearful but defensive and quick to attack. 00:50:00.820 --> 00:50:04.420 - Okay, 'cause what I'm getting from this 00:50:04.420 --> 00:50:08.620 is that anxiety is probably one of the main 00:50:09.620 --> 00:50:14.620 things to avoid in terms of having a competent memory 00:50:14.620 --> 00:50:20.020 and a competent cognition. 00:50:20.020 --> 00:50:24.500 The whole physiological effect of stress and anxiety 00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:28.900 are all working against having that kind of stillness 00:50:28.900 --> 00:50:31.940 that would enable one to recapitulate events 00:50:31.940 --> 00:50:35.820 or to remember even simple facts. 00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:38.700 - And hyperventilation, for example, 00:50:38.700 --> 00:50:40.300 when you're feeling anxious, 00:50:40.300 --> 00:50:46.380 it's common to breathe harder and deeper 00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:49.340 and lose carbon dioxide. 00:50:49.340 --> 00:50:52.320 Carbon dioxide seems to be a nerve stabilizer, 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:56.660 protects nerves against many types of stress 00:50:56.660 --> 00:50:59.420 and inflammation. 00:50:59.420 --> 00:51:03.060 And as the carbon dioxide goes down, 00:51:03.060 --> 00:51:06.820 your platelets release more serotonin 00:51:06.820 --> 00:51:09.840 and probably other inflammatory things. 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.380 And so just hyperventilating is enough to trigger 00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:17.140 a process that tends to slow you down, 00:51:17.140 --> 00:51:21.200 make you retreat and not think very clearly. 00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:27.060 So interestingly, anything that will increase 00:51:27.060 --> 00:51:30.660 your ability to retain carbon dioxide 00:51:30.660 --> 00:51:35.660 tends to help you think calmly and clearly. 00:51:35.660 --> 00:51:39.180 - And you say that thyroid does that. 00:51:39.180 --> 00:51:42.420 It helps you retain CO2? 00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:45.620 - Yeah, thyroid and progesterone and pregnenolone, 00:51:45.620 --> 00:51:47.300 all of the anti-stress things. 00:51:47.300 --> 00:51:54.220 - That reminds me about magnesium carbonate. 00:51:54.220 --> 00:51:58.020 I was thinking about that earlier as a, 00:51:59.380 --> 00:52:02.020 not a laxative, but definitely as a product 00:52:02.020 --> 00:52:07.020 which will produce a relatively smooth bowel movement. 00:52:07.020 --> 00:52:11.500 And not to joke too much about it, 00:52:11.500 --> 00:52:14.980 but in itself, magnesium carbonate would liberate 00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:17.700 some CO2 in that sense, wouldn't it? 00:52:17.700 --> 00:52:22.700 - Yeah, and thyroid lets your cells retain the magnesium. 00:52:22.700 --> 00:52:26.420 So magnesium carbonate is in a way 00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:31.420 a short-term thyroid supporter. 00:52:31.420 --> 00:52:37.420 Keeping your brain warm is another thing 00:52:37.420 --> 00:52:40.820 that just running at a higher temperature, 00:52:40.820 --> 00:52:44.020 your brain produces more CO2 00:52:44.020 --> 00:52:49.020 and generally will retain the magnesium more efficiently 00:52:49.020 --> 00:52:53.300 as if it's under the influence of thyroid. 00:52:53.300 --> 00:52:55.580 - Right, so the thyroid hormone itself, 00:52:55.580 --> 00:52:58.540 in a healthy individual with adequate thyroid function, 00:52:58.540 --> 00:53:01.740 that would happen anyway. 00:53:01.740 --> 00:53:04.460 So you'd be running at an adequately warm enough temperature 00:53:04.460 --> 00:53:06.780 for your brain to be doing that. 00:53:06.780 --> 00:53:10.300 - Yeah, I've known many people who complained 00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:15.300 about memory problems and a foggy consciousness, 00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:19.420 sense of being in a fog. 00:53:19.420 --> 00:53:23.340 And they often had a temperature, 00:53:23.340 --> 00:53:27.500 oral temperature of 96 or under 97 degrees 00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:30.980 and getting their brain temperature up 00:53:30.980 --> 00:53:35.580 towards 98 or 99 degrees Fahrenheit, 00:53:35.580 --> 00:53:38.620 their memory improves tremendously. 00:53:38.620 --> 00:53:44.540 I've noticed when I was in school, 00:53:44.540 --> 00:53:47.420 if I had neglected the study for a test, 00:53:47.420 --> 00:53:53.260 if I would take some vitamin B1 the night before, 00:53:53.580 --> 00:53:55.140 and then read the book, 00:53:55.140 --> 00:53:57.340 and then take some just before the test, 00:53:57.340 --> 00:54:01.900 I mentioned that to a couple of other people 00:54:01.900 --> 00:54:06.660 and it has worked for everyone I know who has tried it. 00:54:06.660 --> 00:54:10.460 They always got perfect A's on their tests. 00:54:10.460 --> 00:54:12.180 - Wow, you've let your secret out. 00:54:12.180 --> 00:54:18.220 Okay, so let me just think. 00:54:18.220 --> 00:54:21.780 Okay, yeah, I was just kind of go back 00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:26.380 to sodium, I know you've mentioned that sodium itself. 00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:28.460 And again, this is another controversial subject, 00:54:28.460 --> 00:54:30.220 but that's what this show is all about, I think. 00:54:30.220 --> 00:54:33.220 It's not so much controversy, but it's actually the truth. 00:54:33.220 --> 00:54:35.660 And it sounds so shocking that it seems to be controversial, 00:54:35.660 --> 00:54:39.660 but sodium in the form of regular table salt. 00:54:39.660 --> 00:54:41.700 And I know we've done lots of different shows 00:54:41.700 --> 00:54:44.900 or interjected shows with mentioning how good 00:54:44.900 --> 00:54:47.860 and positive and healthful and beneficial salt is for you, 00:54:47.860 --> 00:54:50.820 even though that most of the advertising media 00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:52.940 wants to tell you how bad it is, just like sugar. 00:54:52.940 --> 00:54:54.820 That salt itself is very important 00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:57.820 in terms of retaining the magnesium that you're saying. 00:54:57.820 --> 00:55:03.460 - Stress and aging tend to make it harder 00:55:03.460 --> 00:55:05.620 to retain the sodium. 00:55:05.620 --> 00:55:11.940 Hyponatremia is a big problem for sick old people, 00:55:11.940 --> 00:55:15.620 but occasionally it happens in hypothyroid younger people 00:55:15.620 --> 00:55:19.420 because the thyroid making carbon dioxide 00:55:19.420 --> 00:55:24.420 is an important factor in retaining sodium 00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:28.100 so it doesn't get lost in the urine. 00:55:28.100 --> 00:55:33.100 And when your body is sensing too much loss of sodium, 00:55:33.100 --> 00:55:38.820 the adrenals produce aldosterone to save the sodium 00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:43.540 and aldosterone tells the kidneys to lose magnesium. 00:55:43.540 --> 00:55:47.980 And so if you take enough sodium 00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:52.660 to keep your adrenals from making aldosterone, 00:55:52.660 --> 00:55:56.180 your kidneys are gonna save magnesium. 00:55:56.180 --> 00:56:01.180 So in that situation, eating extra salt 00:56:01.180 --> 00:56:05.540 is going to be equivalent to having more magnesium 00:56:05.540 --> 00:56:08.260 in your diet because you'll lose it less quickly. 00:56:08.260 --> 00:56:11.980 - I mean, you're an advocate of salting your food 00:56:11.980 --> 00:56:16.980 and using salt in recipes and yeah. 00:56:17.100 --> 00:56:21.220 - Salt, protein, progesterone and thyroid 00:56:21.220 --> 00:56:24.660 are the main things for keeping your brain temperature up 00:56:24.660 --> 00:56:27.340 and functioning well. 00:56:27.340 --> 00:56:30.100 - Okay, well, unfortunately it's coming up 00:56:30.100 --> 00:56:31.540 for three minutes to eight o'clock. 00:56:31.540 --> 00:56:33.980 So in order to let people know more about you, 00:56:33.980 --> 00:56:35.460 I'll have to cut the show short there, 00:56:35.460 --> 00:56:37.740 but thank you so much for joining us again 00:56:37.740 --> 00:56:39.780 and sharing your wisdom with us. 00:56:39.780 --> 00:56:40.700 - Okay, thank you. 00:56:40.700 --> 00:56:41.940 - Thank you. 00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:45.500 Okay, so for those people who've been listening, 00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:48.420 if you wanna find out more about Dr. Raymond Peat, 00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:50.580 you can visit his website. 00:56:50.580 --> 00:56:55.500 That website address is www.raypeat.com, 00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:58.060 R-A-Y-P-E-A-T.com. 00:56:58.060 --> 00:57:00.020 There's lots of articles there. 00:57:00.020 --> 00:57:01.980 He's not selling anything. 00:57:01.980 --> 00:57:05.460 He's just so into what he's doing 00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:06.940 that he's passionate enough about it 00:57:06.940 --> 00:57:09.700 to put it all on his website and it's fully referenced. 00:57:09.700 --> 00:57:13.460 So if you want to learn more about some of those things 00:57:13.460 --> 00:57:15.660 that you think of controversial that we've mentioned, 00:57:15.660 --> 00:57:18.860 like salt is good for you or sugar is good for you, 00:57:18.860 --> 00:57:20.380 please take a look at his website 00:57:20.380 --> 00:57:21.820 and you'll find out for those people 00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:25.820 that have any need to know the science behind it, 00:57:25.820 --> 00:57:27.020 it's the best place to go. 00:57:27.020 --> 00:57:28.820 For those people who are perhaps not so interested 00:57:28.820 --> 00:57:29.660 about the science, 00:57:29.660 --> 00:57:31.740 but just want to understand it a little more, 00:57:31.740 --> 00:57:33.620 it may seem a little heady, 00:57:33.620 --> 00:57:38.180 but it's all fully referenced and his work is pioneering. 00:57:38.180 --> 00:57:39.900 I can't say anything less than that. 00:57:39.900 --> 00:57:42.740 A lot of what he's said and espoused 00:57:42.740 --> 00:57:45.060 has certainly been taken up by even the mainstream. 00:57:45.060 --> 00:57:49.260 And I know recently in this last 12 months at least, 00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:54.060 polyunsaturated fats are now being looked at as the bad, 00:57:54.060 --> 00:57:56.500 the bad guys, which is what he's always said, 00:57:56.500 --> 00:57:59.140 polyunsaturates, the liquid oils, the fish oil, 00:57:59.140 --> 00:58:00.140 it's all the bad stuff. 00:58:00.140 --> 00:58:02.660 And that salt and sugar is actually very beneficial for you. 00:58:02.660 --> 00:58:05.660 There's many different reasons why. 00:58:05.660 --> 00:58:08.740 Okay, so rayPeat.com. 00:58:08.740 --> 00:58:11.500 And for those people who want to contact us 00:58:11.500 --> 00:58:12.660 Monday through Friday, 00:58:12.660 --> 00:58:16.660 we can be reached at 1-888-WBM-HERB. 00:58:16.660 --> 00:58:18.420 So every third Friday of the month, 00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:19.860 it's the show, "Ask Your Herb Doctor." 00:58:19.860 --> 00:58:24.020 So until June of next June, 00:58:24.020 --> 00:58:25.500 here we go in the middle of summer already, 00:58:25.500 --> 00:58:27.980 gosh, it's only a few weeks away from the solstice. 00:58:27.980 --> 00:58:31.180 Until June, we wish you all good night. 00:58:31.180 --> 00:58:32.020 Good night. 00:58:32.020 --> 00:58:41.420 - All right, I want to thank the Herb Doctor and Dr. Peat. 00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:43.660 For another great program. 00:58:43.660 --> 00:58:45.700 And I want to let you know about an important event 00:58:45.700 --> 00:58:47.020 coming up tomorrow. 00:58:47.020 --> 00:58:52.020 And it doubles as underwriting here on the mud. 00:58:52.020 --> 00:58:54.220 And that's really a good thing. 00:58:54.220 --> 00:58:55.580 Support for KMUD comes from 00:58:55.580 --> 00:58:57.180 Humboldt Waste Management Authority, 00:58:57.180 --> 00:59:00.620 hosting a household hazardous waste collection day 00:59:00.620 --> 00:59:03.020 at the Caltrans Yard in Garberville, 00:59:03.020 --> 00:59:06.900 tomorrow, Saturday, May 17th, from 9 a.m. until 2 p.m. 00:59:06.900 --> 00:59:09.540 So you can get rid of your household hazardous waste 00:59:09.540 --> 00:59:12.220 and still get to the block party. 00:59:12.220 --> 00:59:14.780 Households can bring up to 15 gallon containers 00:59:14.780 --> 00:59:16.620 or 125 pounds. 00:59:16.620 --> 00:59:18.820 Materials accepted include liquid paint, 00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:21.180 auto and garden products, cleaners, aerosols, 00:59:21.180 --> 00:59:24.740 pharmaceuticals, medical sharps, and a red biohazard box. 00:59:24.740 --> 00:59:27.460 And up to 10 fluorescent and three HIDs. 00:59:27.460 --> 00:59:30.700 No ammunition, electronics, or appliances at this event. 00:59:30.700 --> 00:59:35.700 More info is at 707-441-2005 or hwma.net. 00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:41.060 It is 6.59 and 38 seconds. 00:59:41.060 --> 00:59:43.900 And I'm kind of waiting for someone to come in here 00:59:43.900 --> 00:59:45.900 for Funked Up with Cousin Mark. 00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:48.620 If no one shows up, I've got a couple things queued up 00:59:48.620 --> 00:59:50.300 and we'll take it from there. 00:59:50.300 --> 00:59:53.380 And we'll keep it funky right up to the 10 o'clock hour 00:59:53.380 --> 00:59:55.180 when Madman Mike gets here. 00:59:55.180 --> 00:59:57.580 Came with thanks Jessica Baker of J Dragon Acupuncture 00:59:57.580 --> 01:00:00.340 for her support of Redwood Community Radio, practicing.