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00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.040 Good evening. My name is Sarah Johanneson-Murray, 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.040 and I'm delighted to be on the show talking about ways to help prevent breast cancer. 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:31.040 Okay, so we run a clinic in Garboville where we see patients with a wide range of conditions, 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.040 treat them with herbal medicine and dietary advice, 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.040 as well as consult with people nationwide. 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:39.040 Okay, so Dr. Peat, are you on the other line? 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:40.040 Yes, here I am. 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.040 Great. Well, thanks so much for joining us on the show. 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:47.040 As always, I want to make sure people get an introduction from you 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:51.040 about your academic and professional background before we get into tonight's subject. 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.040 Okay. I'm a biologist, a Ph.D. from the University of Oregon, 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:00.040 specializing in physiology, 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:06.040 especially related to aging and reproductive hormone issues. 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:07.040 Okay, excellent. 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:13.040 So for tonight, if not as always, it's a special specialty that you have, 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:21.040 given that reproductive hormones are surrounding the picture of tonight's topic on breast cancer. 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:26.040 So looking at some articles that I was reading earlier on today, 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:31.040 I think most people will recognize breast cancer awareness 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:35.040 and the numbers of people that die from breast cancer as being fairly staggering. 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:43.040 And I saw an article that was saying it was the leading cause of cancer death among women worldwide. 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:48.040 What's your opinion of the causes of breast cancer in the first place, 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.040 and how does this differ from the medical interpretation? 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:59.040 The animal studies have been pretty clear for almost 100 years 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:06.040 that it is a matter of an estrogen-like irritation, 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:12.040 if not exactly estrogen in the narrowest sense. 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:19.040 But the main carcinogenic substances, such as in smoke and tar, 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:25.040 are estrogen-like in their structure and effect. 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:35.040 So the breast is very sensitive to an imbalance of estrogen-like stimulation. 00:08:35.040 --> 00:08:41.040 So it's susceptible to anything that has an estrogen-like effect, 00:08:41.040 --> 00:08:46.040 including smoke and pollutants of various sorts. 00:08:46.040 --> 00:08:52.040 Is this down to the fact that the estrogen receptors are most concentrated in the breast tissue 00:08:52.040 --> 00:08:55.040 or some other reason? 00:08:55.040 --> 00:09:00.040 Well, every cell has estrogen receptors, 00:09:00.040 --> 00:09:06.040 but the way they interact with other functions, I think, 00:09:06.040 --> 00:09:09.040 is more important than the number of receptors, 00:09:09.040 --> 00:09:17.040 because once you're exposed to estrogen, a cell will produce more and more receptors. 00:09:17.040 --> 00:09:26.040 And progesterone has a very central function of destroying estrogen receptors. 00:09:26.040 --> 00:09:33.040 So a breast that's well-balanced and exposed to enough progesterone 00:09:33.040 --> 00:09:39.040 won't have very many estrogen receptors, the progesterone dominance. 00:09:39.040 --> 00:09:42.040 Interesting. So you said that the actual exposure to estrogen 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:47.040 will cause an upregulation in the expression of estrogen receptors? 00:09:47.040 --> 00:09:54.040 Yeah, pretty much in any cell. And irritation in general will do that. 00:09:54.040 --> 00:10:03.040 A failure of energy combined with stimulation will make estrogen receptors start to appear. 00:10:03.040 --> 00:10:15.040 So that old people, as the energy production decreases, any irritation tends to induce 00:10:15.040 --> 00:10:23.040 estrogen production as well as sensitivity by the receptors. 00:10:23.040 --> 00:10:30.040 So interestingly, you're talking about the causal link, if you like, 00:10:30.040 --> 00:10:35.040 or the link between estrogen and irritation and stresses. 00:10:35.040 --> 00:10:39.040 And I think later on, I just want to bring up some more questions 00:10:39.040 --> 00:10:44.040 surrounding HRT and that kind of thing and estrogen replacement therapy. 00:10:44.040 --> 00:10:47.040 And I know when we've talked about many different subjects, 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:53.040 you do bring up estrogen as being a causative factor in a lot of inflammation and irritation 00:10:53.040 --> 00:11:01.040 and saying at this point in time that estrogen can be directly responsible for cancers. 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:14.040 Yeah, the animal studies in the '30s and '40s were very clear that it isn't just the normally responsive tissues 00:11:14.040 --> 00:11:21.040 like the uterus and the breast that will cancerize under the influence of estrogen and similar things, 00:11:21.040 --> 00:11:25.040 but those are just the most sensitive. 00:11:25.040 --> 00:11:35.040 And with increased uninterrupted exposure to estrogen, 00:11:35.040 --> 00:11:43.040 the sequence tends to go first cancer of the uterus, then cancer of the breast, 00:11:43.040 --> 00:11:50.040 then of the lungs, kidneys, intestine and liver and brain. 00:11:50.040 --> 00:11:53.040 Are you talking about primaries now or metastases? 00:11:53.040 --> 00:11:54.040 No, primaries. 00:11:54.040 --> 00:11:57.040 Right, okay. 00:11:57.040 --> 00:12:06.040 Any tissue that is de-energized and irritated will develop not only the ability to respond to estrogen, 00:12:06.040 --> 00:12:10.040 but actual ability to make estrogen. 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:17.040 So your fat or your skin or your liver can become a source of estrogen 00:12:17.040 --> 00:12:22.040 in proportion to how much stress you're under, even if you don't have ovaries. 00:12:22.040 --> 00:12:25.040 I was going to cover the subject. 00:12:25.040 --> 00:12:26.040 I'll try and remember the subject. 00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:30.040 I wanted to ask a question about fat and conversion to estrogen. 00:12:30.040 --> 00:12:35.040 So it's not just our monthly cycling that's exposing women to estrogen. 00:12:35.040 --> 00:12:39.040 Estrogen is so prominent in foods and in our environment, 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:46.040 increasingly so with our degradation of the environment. 00:12:46.040 --> 00:12:56.040 Yeah, the irritation, the fat is particularly sensitive to it. 00:12:56.040 --> 00:13:03.040 It isn't very well supplied with defensive and energetic systems. 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:13.040 So it seems to be a major age-related source of estrogen, especially if you're overweight. 00:13:13.040 --> 00:13:14.040 Interesting. 00:13:14.040 --> 00:13:18.040 Okay, so I think that's a subject that should be brought out a little more. 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:24.040 So fats in their own right, and at this point in time, are we talking polyunsaturated fats or fats in general? 00:13:24.040 --> 00:13:29.040 That was just your normal, ordinary fat cells, 00:13:29.040 --> 00:13:38.040 but since the polyunsaturated fats increase the deposition and storage of fat, 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:46.040 and since they break down to form the inflammation-promoting prostaglandins, 00:13:46.040 --> 00:13:55.040 they make the fat cells more likely to produce excess estrogen. 00:13:55.040 --> 00:14:04.040 Do you think there's any strategy to be benefited by the -- 00:14:04.040 --> 00:14:11.040 because I know you mentioned too about increasing the dominance in the body of saturated to unsaturated fat 00:14:11.040 --> 00:14:19.040 by avoiding polyunsaturates, and ultimately over three or four years, 00:14:19.040 --> 00:14:24.040 you say that essentially the body fat composition could be turned back to a more saturated type of fat 00:14:24.040 --> 00:14:28.040 if you avoid the polys and -- 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:37.040 Yeah, there's a thing called the saturation index, which is just the ratio between a saturated fat like stearic acid 00:14:37.040 --> 00:14:41.040 and a polyunsaturated such as linoleic acid, 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:51.040 and people with cancer have a higher polyunsaturation, lower saturation index. 00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:56.040 But you're saying a saturated fat cell is still capable of producing estrogen? 00:14:56.040 --> 00:15:04.040 Yeah, the cell which is more saturated is stabler and less likely to produce estrogen, 00:15:04.040 --> 00:15:14.040 but the more highly polyunsaturated fats are very closely connected with estrogen 00:15:14.040 --> 00:15:23.040 so that the amount in the tissue and in circulation of, say, a five or six unsaturated fats, 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:30.040 such as you find in fish oil, you produce with aging. 00:15:30.040 --> 00:15:37.040 These are closely associated with the level of estrogen stimulation. 00:15:37.040 --> 00:15:41.040 So eating nuts and seeds that are high in those polyunsaturated fats 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:46.040 and fried foods that are fried in those corn and canola oil 00:15:46.040 --> 00:15:52.040 is going to be more promoting an estrogenic fat and -- 00:15:52.040 --> 00:15:56.040 Yeah, for 80 or 90 years, about every 10 or 15 years, 00:15:56.040 --> 00:16:03.040 someone has done a study showing that the more polyunsaturated fat in the diet, 00:16:03.040 --> 00:16:07.040 the higher the cancer incidence, 00:16:07.040 --> 00:16:18.040 all the way down to extremely rare cancer incidence when there's no polyunsaturated fat in the diet. 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:23.040 Well, good. I was really just hoping that this show would just highlight again the importance 00:16:23.040 --> 00:16:29.040 of what you've been mentioning for many years now about improving your saturated fat intake 00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:34.040 and being very aware of the sources of polyunsaturated both in pre-made foods 00:16:34.040 --> 00:16:39.040 as well as foods that you may choose to be cooking with 00:16:39.040 --> 00:16:47.040 and that the ramifications have a pretty wide cause and effect associated with them 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:56.040 and cancer obviously is one of those effects of decreasing energy to promote suitable responses 00:16:56.040 --> 00:16:59.040 and that because it's thyroid suppressing effects, 00:16:59.040 --> 00:17:04.040 that is a direct relationship between low energy and the ability for systems 00:17:04.040 --> 00:17:12.040 to lose their correct structure and organization in terms of doing the right thing. 00:17:12.040 --> 00:17:23.040 One of the diet factors that shows up repeatedly in association with a low rate of cancer is a high fruit intake 00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:32.040 and fruit eaters getting the carbohydrate and the sugar produce saturated fats of their own 00:17:32.040 --> 00:17:37.040 so they keep a relatively high saturation index in their tissues. 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:39.040 Excellent. Okay, good. 00:17:39.040 --> 00:17:43.040 Well, you're listening to Ask Your Herb, Dr. Kami Deegal with All 91.1 FM. 00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:46.040 This evening's topic is breast cancer. 00:17:46.040 --> 00:17:49.040 If we do get any callers here between 7, 13, 8, 00:17:49.040 --> 00:17:54.040 it would be good if we can try and stay on the topic that we're discussing. 00:17:54.040 --> 00:18:02.040 Dr. Peat, HRT has always mystified me how HRT has carried on for such a long time. 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:06.040 I know they're just talking about it recently that it's maybe not the best thing for women. 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:13.040 Now they're finally saying that like they are admitting that saturated fats are actually better for you than their polys. 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:16.040 But HRT is a concept. 00:18:16.040 --> 00:18:23.040 How do you think it came to a position where estrogen was such a promoted, 00:18:23.040 --> 00:18:32.040 supposedly beneficial for your bones to help with things like age-related dementia, memory loss? 00:18:32.040 --> 00:18:37.040 And it's actually the opposite. You have plenty of evidence to show that it's completely opposite to that. 00:18:37.040 --> 00:18:41.040 It's actually not good for your bones and it actually increases the chances of dementia. 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:45.040 There is a very good essay on the internet. 00:18:45.040 --> 00:18:50.040 I think it's still available, a Harvard Law School paper by Carla Rothenberg 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:54.040 on the history of hormone replacement therapy. 00:18:54.040 --> 00:18:56.040 Carla Rothenberg? 00:18:56.040 --> 00:18:59.040 Rothen, R-O-T-H-E-N-B-E-R-G. 00:18:59.040 --> 00:19:02.040 B-L-G, okay. Carla Rothenberg, okay. 00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:13.040 And it gives the political economic history of how the 12 big estrogen companies in 1942 got together 00:19:13.040 --> 00:19:23.040 to basically take over the FDA, medical journals, and universities to indoctrinate the idea that 00:19:23.040 --> 00:19:32.040 estrogen was the female hormone that would promote fertility and all the good female virtues, 00:19:32.040 --> 00:19:38.040 even though it went absolutely against the research of the 1930s, 00:19:38.040 --> 00:19:48.040 which showed that progesterone was the essential female hormone that promoted fertility and good pregnancy success. 00:19:48.040 --> 00:19:54.040 I mean, they knew back in the 1800s that the chimney sweeps would die of testicular cancer 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:57.040 from the estrogenic effects of the soot. 00:19:57.040 --> 00:20:02.040 Yeah, but this was all turned around by these 12 giant companies getting together 00:20:02.040 --> 00:20:08.040 to promote the idea of the estrogen as the beneficial female hormone. 00:20:08.040 --> 00:20:17.040 And so they came on the market with the idea that, I think it was a Harvard husband and wife, 00:20:17.040 --> 00:20:25.040 a pair of doctors that promoted the idea that you should give pregnant women estrogen to prevent miscarriage, 00:20:25.040 --> 00:20:32.040 and that produced the generation of DES babies, two generations actually. 00:20:32.040 --> 00:20:36.040 Their daughters also were susceptible to cancer. 00:20:36.040 --> 00:20:46.040 And after the news got out by the late '50s that estrogen was not good for preventing miscarriage, 00:20:46.040 --> 00:20:51.040 they came out with the contraception idea. 00:20:51.040 --> 00:20:57.040 They knew in the '30s that estrogen causes miscarriages and abortion, 00:20:57.040 --> 00:21:03.040 and so they sold it for the opposite as long as they could get away with it, 00:21:03.040 --> 00:21:12.040 then came on the market to sell it to prevent or interrupt pregnancies. 00:21:12.040 --> 00:21:18.040 So a lot of contraceptive pills allow pregnancy or fertilization to occur, 00:21:18.040 --> 00:21:21.040 but it inhibits implantation; is that correct? 00:21:21.040 --> 00:21:29.040 Yeah. My thesis advisor, Arnold Soderwall, did some very clear research on that, 00:21:29.040 --> 00:21:40.040 showing that a small amount at the time of or just before implantation would prevent implantation, 00:21:40.040 --> 00:21:47.040 but a slightly larger amount after implantation had occurred would cause it to be ejected. 00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:54.040 And he made a graph showing that at each stage of pregnancy, 00:21:54.040 --> 00:21:59.040 just slightly increasing the dose of estrogen would cause miscarriage, 00:21:59.040 --> 00:22:05.040 all the way from preventing implantation to aborting it at any stage. 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:12.040 It would cause the embryo to die and simply be resorbed. 00:22:12.040 --> 00:22:21.040 That's incredible. It's like another worldwide, I don't know, brainwashing, I don't know what it is. 00:22:21.040 --> 00:22:24.040 I think it's so commonly repeated. 00:22:24.040 --> 00:22:29.040 These different topics are so commonly repeated by broad stream media, 00:22:29.040 --> 00:22:36.040 and those in, for want of a better word, power, the doctors, for example, 00:22:36.040 --> 00:22:40.040 who are looked up to and respected by most people that go to see them 00:22:40.040 --> 00:22:44.040 for their education and their prowess, if you like, I don't know. 00:22:44.040 --> 00:22:50.040 I just find it so incredible that there's evidence out there to show the opposite. 00:22:50.040 --> 00:22:54.040 In very many cases, it takes such a long time to make an impression, 00:22:54.040 --> 00:22:59.040 for it to get enough groundswell for the tide to get turned on this kind of thing. 00:22:59.040 --> 00:23:02.040 I mean, estrogen has been, ever since I can remember, 00:23:02.040 --> 00:23:07.040 has been the beneficial female hormone and HRT, and my mom was on HRT, 00:23:07.040 --> 00:23:15.040 and I know all these other women on HRT, and it's probably one of the worst things you can do. 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:21.040 Several years ago, someone did a survey of the publications 00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:26.040 just in the Journal of the American Medical Association. 00:23:26.040 --> 00:23:31.040 In the first years after the industry got this conspiracy together, 00:23:31.040 --> 00:23:39.040 they found that 200 different health conditions had been published in that one journal 00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:43.040 as treatable or curable or preventable by estrogen. 00:23:43.040 --> 00:23:47.040 All of those 200 turned out to be false. 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:55.040 The quantity and quality of the fraud is just hard to understand. 00:23:55.040 --> 00:24:00.040 - Staggering. Now, didn't-- - Well, it's all marketing, marketing, marketing. 00:24:00.040 --> 00:24:06.040 Yeah. Well, what I wanted to ask you is, I think I remember hearing something like, 00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:11.040 the only thing-- well, and I've not heard you say this a moment ago, 00:24:11.040 --> 00:24:13.040 unless I've got it round the wrong way. 00:24:13.040 --> 00:24:19.040 The only beneficial thing that estrogen was used for was really for getting pregnant, 00:24:19.040 --> 00:24:25.040 but you're saying that actually estrogen at this time of just preconception or post-conception 00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:27.040 would actually abort the fetus? 00:24:27.040 --> 00:24:36.040 Yeah. SodaVol was probably the most concise in this experiment 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:41.040 in showing that it was exactly a dose relationship. 00:24:41.040 --> 00:24:50.040 And you could shift that dose relationship by increasing either the amount of progesterone 00:24:50.040 --> 00:24:54.040 or vitamin E as antagonists to that. 00:24:54.040 --> 00:25:06.040 And my dissertation showed that that interaction worked through the availability largely of oxygen. 00:25:06.040 --> 00:25:12.040 Estrogen cuts off the availability of oxygen to the embryo, 00:25:12.040 --> 00:25:21.040 making the uterus short-circuit, burn up and affect the oxygen before the embryo gets it. 00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:29.040 And progesterone and vitamin E both improve the delivery or preservation of oxygen for the-- 00:25:29.040 --> 00:25:31.040 Could you just repeat the name of the author again? 00:25:31.040 --> 00:25:34.040 I wouldn't mind taking a look at it if I can find out this information myself. 00:25:34.040 --> 00:25:36.040 What was the name of the author of that? 00:25:36.040 --> 00:25:38.040 Arnold Soderwald. 00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:42.040 Soderwald. How do you-- S-O-D-E-R? 00:25:42.040 --> 00:25:46.040 S-O-D-E-R-W-A-L-L. 00:25:46.040 --> 00:25:49.040 And didn't you say A-L-L? 00:25:49.040 --> 00:25:50.040 Okay. Well, go ahead. 00:25:50.040 --> 00:25:57.040 Didn't you say, Dr. Peat, that they didn't promote progesterone for all these 200 different diseases 00:25:57.040 --> 00:26:01.040 because it's so expensive to manufacture and estrogen is so cheap to manufacture 00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:04.040 and they wanted to make more money off the estrogen? 00:26:04.040 --> 00:26:15.040 More than that, it was that they knew in the '30s someone simply put a glass plate in the smoke of a candle 00:26:15.040 --> 00:26:25.040 and then extracted the soot and found that they had a whole variety of chemical substances, 00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:31.040 soot essences, which were estrogenic as well as carcinogenic. 00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:41.040 And so they understood that there was an infinite opportunity for having a patentable specific estrogen 00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:44.040 that you could market as your own product. 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:53.040 But any time you change the molecule of progesterone, you decrease or destroy its effect. 00:26:53.040 --> 00:26:58.040 And so all those synthetic progestins actually have an estrogenic effect. 00:26:58.040 --> 00:27:05.040 Yeah, because progesterone, part of its effect is what it turns into, 00:27:05.040 --> 00:27:14.040 and the additives attached to the progesterone molecule specifically block its conversion 00:27:14.040 --> 00:27:18.040 into that natural range of other steroids. 00:27:18.040 --> 00:27:26.040 And since the brain is a major source and user of progesterone, 00:27:26.040 --> 00:27:35.040 probably the worst effect of the synthetic progestins is that they interfere with brain function. 00:27:35.040 --> 00:27:43.040 So here's a hormone that helps breast cancer patients, helps pregnancies, 00:27:43.040 --> 00:27:48.040 and has all these pro-life wonderful effects. 00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:52.040 And they can't patent it because it's a natural hormone, 00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:58.040 so it's not promoted and it's not sold readily available. 00:27:58.040 --> 00:28:03.040 Marian Diamond, a professor at the University of California, 00:28:03.040 --> 00:28:12.040 did studies on animals showing that estrogen in pregnancy stops the growth of the brain, 00:28:12.040 --> 00:28:16.040 especially the cortex, makes it thinner and smaller. 00:28:16.040 --> 00:28:20.040 Progesterone increases the growth, especially of the cortex of the brain, 00:28:20.040 --> 00:28:28.040 making it bigger, more intelligent, and less psychopathic. 00:28:28.040 --> 00:28:34.040 And Katherine Adalton, working in England with her human patients, 00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:38.040 found accidentally the same thing turning out, 00:28:38.040 --> 00:28:45.040 that the women who were having pregnancy difficulties before treatment, 00:28:45.040 --> 00:28:51.040 their older kids averaged below 100 IQ. 00:28:51.040 --> 00:28:57.040 Once she treated them and prevented their toxemia of pregnancy, 00:28:57.040 --> 00:29:01.040 the kids averaged over 130 IQ. 00:29:01.040 --> 00:29:04.040 Wow. 00:29:04.040 --> 00:29:11.040 And isn't it quite expensive for companies to manufacture pure bioidentical progesterone? 00:29:11.040 --> 00:29:16.040 Well, not compared to what drugs generally cost. 00:29:16.040 --> 00:29:22.040 Well, I mean, the raw material, if you compared raw material for estrogen, if it's just soot. 00:29:22.040 --> 00:29:26.040 Yeah, you can get a thousand doses of estrogen for a dollar 00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:31.040 and only a few doses of progesterone for a dollar. 00:29:31.040 --> 00:29:34.040 So it just all comes down to the dollar, the money. 00:29:34.040 --> 00:29:36.040 I wanted to very quickly bring, I think we have a call on the line, 00:29:36.040 --> 00:29:38.040 but we'll take that in a moment here. 00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:45.040 I just wanted to bring out this thing before we would move on to strategies to help women, 00:29:45.040 --> 00:29:48.040 especially because men do get breast cancer, but the numbers are fairly low, 00:29:48.040 --> 00:29:54.040 but women especially, to improve their odds of not getting cancer 00:29:54.040 --> 00:29:59.040 by avoiding all those things, Dr. Peat, that you're going to bring out from stress 00:29:59.040 --> 00:30:02.040 and its related effects with estrogen and everything else, 00:30:02.040 --> 00:30:06.040 that tamoxifen was a drug that was used to treat breast cancer, 00:30:06.040 --> 00:30:15.040 actually promoted endometrial cancer and thromboembolic events in so many people that it was given to. 00:30:15.040 --> 00:30:18.040 And liver tumors and eye damage. 00:30:18.040 --> 00:30:19.040 Okay. 00:30:19.040 --> 00:30:23.040 And you mentioned that it's actually an estrogenic drug itself, very powerful estrogenic drug. 00:30:23.040 --> 00:30:25.040 Just talk about that a little. 00:30:25.040 --> 00:30:33.040 It's less powerful than estradiol, so it can protect against the overproduction of estradiol, 00:30:33.040 --> 00:30:36.040 but in itself it's estrogenic. 00:30:36.040 --> 00:30:38.040 Incredible. 00:30:38.040 --> 00:30:42.040 Okay, well let's take this call and see where we're going with this. 00:30:42.040 --> 00:30:44.040 Hello, caller, you're on the air. 00:30:44.040 --> 00:30:46.040 And where are you from? 00:30:46.040 --> 00:30:47.040 Hi, from Kansas City. 00:30:47.040 --> 00:30:49.040 Hey, you're on the air. 00:30:49.040 --> 00:30:51.040 Go ahead. 00:30:51.040 --> 00:30:56.040 In last month's interview on urea, Dr. Peat mentioned up to 120 grams per day, 00:30:56.040 --> 00:31:00.040 15 grams at a time for getting rid of excess water. 00:31:00.040 --> 00:31:06.040 When you said excess water, what were you referring to exactly? 00:31:06.040 --> 00:31:16.040 That's interesting in relation to estrogen because within about five minutes of an exposure to estrogen, 00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:26.040 cells begin to take up a lot of water, and that excess water stimulates cell division and growth, 00:31:26.040 --> 00:31:36.040 and that's part of the process of promoting cancer growth is to keep them in an excited inflammatory state 00:31:36.040 --> 00:31:42.040 of too much water, which keeps them from differentiating and functioning, 00:31:42.040 --> 00:31:46.040 and that makes them able to keep dividing. 00:31:46.040 --> 00:32:00.040 And so one of the principles of cancer treatment should be looking at the body's water economy. 00:32:00.040 --> 00:32:10.040 One other question on that was, so how long or how often for the 120 grams of urea per day to actually have that benefit? 00:32:10.040 --> 00:32:24.040 A Greek doctor, Deanopoulos, was using urea in various forms, injecting it right into tumors, for example, 00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:36.040 also giving it intravenously, and it can be applied in crystal or solid form to an open superficial tumor. 00:32:36.040 --> 00:32:48.040 It's a very strange material because it doesn't destroy tissue even in a pure crystalline concentrated form, 00:32:48.040 --> 00:32:59.040 and the injecting of 50% solution or a concentrated solution is possible if it goes in slowly, 00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:08.040 but people are used to thinking of an osmotic effect from a concentrated crystalline material, 00:33:08.040 --> 00:33:16.040 but urea isn't an osmolite. It has a very strange interaction with water. 00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:21.040 It can go into cells freely just like the water, 00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:29.040 so what it's doing to remove excess water from cells isn't osmotically drawing out the water. 00:33:29.040 --> 00:33:41.040 It's doing something, adjusting the structure of the cells so that it doesn't have that excited need to retain water. 00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:56.040 The typical intravenous dose would use a 30% solution, giving maybe 20 grams at a time, 00:33:56.040 --> 00:34:06.040 but up to a total of 120 grams per day, which could be either for using it as a diuretic for heart failure 00:34:06.040 --> 00:34:18.040 or for inflammation of the brain when the brain is holding too much water because of a disturbance of the anti-diuretic hormone or vasopressin, 00:34:18.040 --> 00:34:21.040 or in treating cancer. 00:34:21.040 --> 00:34:31.040 So 20 or 30 grams at a time can also be given orally and is well absorbed and circulates systemically, 00:34:31.040 --> 00:34:36.040 so it doesn't have to be intravenous. 00:34:36.040 --> 00:34:47.040 If it is used intravenously, it has to be added to a physiological solution of sodium chloride or glucose. 00:34:47.040 --> 00:35:06.040 A 5% or 10% solution of glucose can have 30% -- not necessarily that amount, but it can have a full load of urea added to it. 00:35:06.040 --> 00:35:13.040 So you're saying that you could do 20 to 30 grams a day, which is probably about a couple teaspoons? 00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:17.040 Yeah, that much, up to 120 grams. 00:35:17.040 --> 00:35:20.040 And then you'd want to dissolve it in a little salt water? 00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:21.040 Or fruit juice. 00:35:21.040 --> 00:35:29.040 The people recommending it for treating heart failure, they've had patients staying on it for years 00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:35.040 where the other diuretics were disturbing their mineral metabolism. 00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:49.040 They were very stable on using urea, and they recommended using about 20 grams at a time in a glass of fruit juice 00:35:49.040 --> 00:35:52.040 and doing that several times a day. 00:35:52.040 --> 00:35:55.040 So that's probably like two-thirds of an ounce. 00:35:55.040 --> 00:35:58.040 And urea is a commonly available compound. 00:35:58.040 --> 00:35:59.040 Very cheap. 00:35:59.040 --> 00:36:00.040 Very inexpensive. 00:36:00.040 --> 00:36:04.040 And there's been lots of studies showing its benefit. 00:36:04.040 --> 00:36:07.040 Okay, well, thanks for your call, Carla. 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:15.040 Dr. Peat, what I wanted to -- if I could just briefly ask your opinion of the cause of breast cancer, 00:36:15.040 --> 00:36:22.040 then we can look at some of the strategies that people can employ to negate that or prevent it. 00:36:22.040 --> 00:36:35.040 The standard opinion is that it's a genetic thing, either inherited or occurring randomly. 00:36:35.040 --> 00:36:51.040 And the evidence is just overwhelming against that, that the genetic problems almost always develop after the cancer is in progress. 00:36:51.040 --> 00:37:03.040 The over-stimulation and under-supply of energy to the cell keeps the DNA from being repaired. 00:37:03.040 --> 00:37:12.040 So the stress causes the mutation rather than the mutation causing the cancer. 00:37:12.040 --> 00:37:20.040 But the inherited genes such as what's it called, BRCA? 00:37:20.040 --> 00:37:21.040 Right. 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:23.040 BRCA1 and 2. 00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:24.040 Yeah. 00:37:24.040 --> 00:37:36.040 That is simply an indication that the person is more sensitive to stress and to estrogen toxic effects. 00:37:36.040 --> 00:37:45.040 So the anti-estrogen programs are more important, more effective for protecting them. 00:37:45.040 --> 00:37:46.040 Okay. 00:37:46.040 --> 00:37:51.040 All right, we are listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor, KMED, Galbraithville, 91.1 FM. 00:37:51.040 --> 00:37:55.040 From now until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, we're inviting callers to ask questions 00:37:55.040 --> 00:38:01.040 or contribute with whatever they are experiencing with, if they have questions for Dr. Peat, 00:38:01.040 --> 00:38:04.040 around tonight's subject of breast cancer. 00:38:04.040 --> 00:38:11.040 Numbers 923 3911 if you're in the area or there's an 800 number which is 1-800-KMUD-RAD, 00:38:11.040 --> 00:38:15.040 1-800-568-3723. 00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:21.040 So Dr. Peat, let's quickly look at a strategy, a strategy, a lifelong strategy, if you like. 00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:23.040 It's never too late to change. 00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:27.040 Some people leave it to the last minute, some people get on board fairly quickly. 00:38:27.040 --> 00:38:33.040 But in terms of the strategy to prevent that likelihood of occurring, given that you're 00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:40.040 saying it's very much stress-related and the effects of stress probably bringing in things 00:38:40.040 --> 00:38:48.040 like nitric oxide and estrogen directly increased in stress, how would you look at best avoiding 00:38:48.040 --> 00:38:49.040 that? 00:38:49.040 --> 00:39:00.040 When you look at stress, the falling blood sugar and rising lactic acid are universal 00:39:00.040 --> 00:39:02.040 features of stress. 00:39:02.040 --> 00:39:11.040 And it happens that lactic acid is the main signal for producing the endorphins, the endogenous 00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:13.040 opiates. 00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:23.040 And if you look at the effects of stress, they're very closely all down the line associated 00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:33.040 with an excess and prolonged production of the endogenous opiates. 00:39:33.040 --> 00:39:43.040 And everything that is uncomfortable will increase your tendency to overproduce lactic 00:39:43.040 --> 00:39:47.040 acid, hyperventilating, for example, from anxiety. 00:39:47.040 --> 00:39:54.040 When your carbon dioxide goes down, your lactic acid goes up. 00:39:54.040 --> 00:40:06.040 And strangely, the endorphins didn't get any of the bad connotations of morphine. 00:40:06.040 --> 00:40:07.040 I know. 00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:10.040 I mean, you hear the word endorphin and you think, gosh, it's good. 00:40:10.040 --> 00:40:11.040 Yeah. 00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:19.040 A study at University of California in San Diego in the, I think it was dermatology department, 00:40:19.040 --> 00:40:27.040 they were experimentally giving people massages and measuring their various stress hormones. 00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:40.040 They saw that massaging lowered the beta endorphin and everything, pain or overexertion, anything 00:40:40.040 --> 00:40:46.040 that interferes with the energy supply will increase the opiates or endorphins. 00:40:46.040 --> 00:40:51.040 So, you would think that having a massage would increase your endorphins when in reality, 00:40:51.040 --> 00:40:53.040 of course, it's the opposite of what you're told. 00:40:53.040 --> 00:40:55.040 Because the endorphins are not good. 00:40:55.040 --> 00:40:56.040 Okay. 00:40:56.040 --> 00:40:57.040 All right. 00:40:57.040 --> 00:41:02.040 Can I move on to the aromatase inhibitors that are, I think have become... 00:41:02.040 --> 00:41:07.040 Well, I think what Dr. Peat was trying to get to there is that the low dose naltrexone 00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:12.040 is being used therapeutically by a lot of doctors and it's very useful because it lowers 00:41:12.040 --> 00:41:17.040 those endorphins that are so harmful, all those endogenous opiates, opiates your body 00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:21.040 produces naturally that can be harmful in times of stress. 00:41:21.040 --> 00:41:22.040 Yeah. 00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:33.040 And everything you do that's good, pleasure such as the massage will have that same effect 00:41:33.040 --> 00:41:38.040 of protecting you against the endorphins and nitric oxide. 00:41:38.040 --> 00:41:51.040 So, the naloxone or naltrexone low dose treatment has a wide range of anti-stress effects, including 00:41:51.040 --> 00:41:55.040 protection against promotion of cancer. 00:41:55.040 --> 00:42:00.040 And the happy factor too, right? 00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:09.040 Well, serotonin and endorphins are often called the happy hormones, but actually they are 00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:14.040 the most important mediators of stress. 00:42:14.040 --> 00:42:24.040 And downstream, even though estrogen turns on lactic acid and endorphins and nitric oxide, 00:42:24.040 --> 00:42:39.040 the endorphins in turn activate estrogen receptors, aromatase, prolactin, which acts as an amplifier 00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:42.040 of estrogen's effect. 00:42:42.040 --> 00:42:50.040 You get this back and forth action, increasing inflammation, estrogenicity and lowering 00:42:50.040 --> 00:42:51.040 energy production. 00:42:51.040 --> 00:42:57.040 Wow, so what can we do Dr. Peat to lower this estrogen with our diet? 00:42:57.040 --> 00:43:08.040 The foods that naturally contain anti-aromatases I think are very important. 00:43:08.040 --> 00:43:15.040 I always mention orange juice and guavas, but there are lots of fruits and vegetables 00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:20.040 that contain similar chemicals. 00:43:20.040 --> 00:43:29.040 So, the naringenin is found in orange juice, but also in higher levels in the skins. 00:43:29.040 --> 00:43:31.040 Is that what you were saying Dr. Peat? 00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:32.040 Oh, yeah. 00:43:32.040 --> 00:43:33.040 The orange is the skin? 00:43:33.040 --> 00:43:34.040 Orange skin? 00:43:34.040 --> 00:43:40.040 Both the juice and the peeling contain the protective things. 00:43:40.040 --> 00:43:46.040 So, marmalade is another source of protective substances. 00:43:46.040 --> 00:43:51.040 Anti-estrogen, breast cancer preventative compound. 00:43:51.040 --> 00:43:52.040 And then what about apigenin? 00:43:52.040 --> 00:43:56.040 That's another aromatase inhibitor that you were mentioning. 00:43:56.040 --> 00:44:04.040 Yeah, I think guavas and celery and parsley are highest sources of that. 00:44:04.040 --> 00:44:11.040 Okay, and COX-2 inhibitors were another rationale for blocking aromatase. 00:44:11.040 --> 00:44:22.040 Yeah, aspirin for about 20 years I've been mentioning aspirin as probably the safest 00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:29.040 first thing that anyone who worries about breast cancer should start. 00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:40.040 It is a very effective way to turn off estrogen production and response to estrogen. 00:44:40.040 --> 00:44:44.040 And how much a day would you recommend? 00:44:44.040 --> 00:44:53.040 People with aggressive cancer probably should take 4 to 6 grams. 00:44:53.040 --> 00:45:02.040 And in that case, they also need to take vitamin K to prevent a bleeding problem. 00:45:02.040 --> 00:45:08.040 Yeah, up until I had a patient who was taking 6 grams of aspirin a day, 00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:10.040 and they just started to get the ear ringing. 00:45:10.040 --> 00:45:12.040 So, up until that point where you get the ear ringing, 00:45:12.040 --> 00:45:15.040 then you know you're at the maximum and you want to back off just slightly 00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:17.040 until you don't get that ear ringing. 00:45:17.040 --> 00:45:20.040 But you have to use a milligram, not a microgram, 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:24.040 but a milligram of vitamin K for every normal standard aspirin tablet, 00:45:24.040 --> 00:45:26.040 which is 325 milligrams. 00:45:26.040 --> 00:45:31.040 I just wanted to bring out a couple of plant-based aromatase inhibitors 00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:35.040 that I know we were taught about when we were studying. 00:45:35.040 --> 00:45:41.040 Misulto, misulto has been shown to be an aromatase inhibitor, 00:45:41.040 --> 00:45:45.040 and I know work was done with cancer probably for that same reason, 00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:49.040 or maybe inadvertently they figured that it was helpful 00:45:49.040 --> 00:45:52.040 probably through an estrogen blocking activity. 00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:54.040 Do you know much about misulto? 00:45:54.040 --> 00:46:01.040 Physiologically, how you would rationalize it? 00:46:01.040 --> 00:46:07.040 About 50 years ago, I ran into some anthroposophy people 00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:09.040 who got me interested in it, 00:46:09.040 --> 00:46:16.040 and so I've followed the research on it, 00:46:16.040 --> 00:46:21.040 but I don't think anything very new has turned up. 00:46:21.040 --> 00:46:24.040 Okay, because the other things they mentioned were, 00:46:24.040 --> 00:46:27.040 and you did mention this last month, white button mushrooms. 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:31.040 I think the brown button mushrooms are just the same kind of compounds, 00:46:31.040 --> 00:46:34.040 but there are aromatase inhibitors in white button mushrooms, 00:46:34.040 --> 00:46:38.040 and I know you mentioned a dose last month 00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:43.040 that would be a realistic dose as an aromatase inhibitor. 00:46:43.040 --> 00:46:49.040 Yeah, the Chinese study found that women who had at least 10 grams a day on average 00:46:49.040 --> 00:46:55.040 had extremely low cancer mortality, 00:46:55.040 --> 00:47:01.040 and especially if they had green tea too, like 88% lower. 00:47:01.040 --> 00:47:05.040 Okay, and then I think the last two things were coffee and-- 00:47:05.040 --> 00:47:06.040 And tea. 00:47:06.040 --> 00:47:07.040 Coffee and green tea, yeah. 00:47:07.040 --> 00:47:09.040 And normal black tea too. 00:47:09.040 --> 00:47:13.040 I mean, they would all have the same compound. 00:47:13.040 --> 00:47:14.040 Okay. 00:47:14.040 --> 00:47:16.040 And there was a caller who called in about black cohosh, 00:47:16.040 --> 00:47:18.040 and that is an estrogenic herb, 00:47:18.040 --> 00:47:24.040 and I would not recommend that for treatment or use with patients with breast cancer, 00:47:24.040 --> 00:47:28.040 or I would not recommend it to prevent breast cancer. 00:47:28.040 --> 00:47:33.040 Okay, so people that are going through breast cancer treatment, 00:47:33.040 --> 00:47:38.040 and I don't mean to ask you about this because I know you're definitely not in favor of it, 00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:44.040 but the chemotherapy, radiotherapy approach to cancer is just not doing it, is it? 00:47:44.040 --> 00:47:47.040 Yeah, there's a website that-- 00:47:47.040 --> 00:47:51.040 I'm not sure what is available on it, 00:47:51.040 --> 00:47:57.040 but he has written some very good articles on the issue of when 00:47:57.040 --> 00:48:00.040 and whether to treat certain types of cancer. 00:48:00.040 --> 00:48:07.040 His name is Gershom Zajicek, Z-A-J-I-C-E-K. 00:48:07.040 --> 00:48:13.040 And his accent, now that he has YouTube videos, it's hard to understand, 00:48:13.040 --> 00:48:19.040 so if you can find his written articles, they're quicker to get through. 00:48:19.040 --> 00:48:26.040 But from the time of Hippocrates, I think Hippocrates said that for internal cancer, 00:48:26.040 --> 00:48:34.040 patients who are not treated will last a long time, but those who are treated die quickly. 00:48:34.040 --> 00:48:37.040 Gershom Zajicek makes a similar point. 00:48:37.040 --> 00:48:43.040 And 50 years ago, a Berkeley professor, Hardin Jones, did a study 00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:51.040 and clearly showed that the longer a person waits before treating a cancer, 00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:53.040 the longer they live. 00:48:53.040 --> 00:48:59.040 Well, and also there was a study that showed 95% of people over the age of 50 00:48:59.040 --> 00:49:01.040 had some form of abdominal cancer. 00:49:01.040 --> 00:49:03.040 Yeah, an autopsy if they died before. 00:49:03.040 --> 00:49:09.040 Yeah, if they died, like in a car crash or for some other unrelated to cancer reason. 00:49:09.040 --> 00:49:13.040 And 95% of people do not die of cancer. 00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:18.040 Another person said that looking at all of the organs, 00:49:18.040 --> 00:49:23.040 100% of people by the age of 50 have diagnosable cancer somewhere. 00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:27.040 We do have a caller on the air, so let's take this next caller. 00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:29.040 Caller, you're on the air, and where are you from? 00:49:29.040 --> 00:49:31.040 Garboville, downtown Garboville. 00:49:31.040 --> 00:49:33.040 Okay, go ahead. 00:49:33.040 --> 00:49:37.040 Thank you, gentlemen and lady, for your wisdom and your knowledge. 00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:43.040 I have a question about a while back I thought I understood that 00:49:43.040 --> 00:49:51.040 in all the skunky vegetables, cabbage, Brussels sprouts, that kind of stuff, 00:49:51.040 --> 00:49:54.040 that there's a lot of estrogen in those vegetables naturally. 00:49:54.040 --> 00:49:56.040 Is that true? 00:49:56.040 --> 00:49:59.040 They certainly contain lots of sulfur compounds. 00:49:59.040 --> 00:50:02.040 Dr. Peat, I think there is a-- 00:50:02.040 --> 00:50:08.040 Well, they're so thyroid suppressive that they allow estrogen to build up naturally in men and women 00:50:08.040 --> 00:50:13.040 because men actually usually have a lot higher levels of estrogen than women. 00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:16.040 But are they directly estrogenic, Dr. Peat? 00:50:16.040 --> 00:50:27.040 There are some studies in animals showing a direct estrogenic effect of DIM and its metabolite. 00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:28.040 IP3? 00:50:28.040 --> 00:50:29.040 Yeah. 00:50:29.040 --> 00:50:36.040 Those are commonly touted as breast cancer preventative, endometrial cancer preventative compounds, 00:50:36.040 --> 00:50:43.040 and Dr. Peat just said that there's lots of studies showing that they can have estrogenic effects of themselves. 00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:49.040 So I would say that sometimes they probably do have good effects, 00:50:49.040 --> 00:50:53.040 but I would wait for more research on them. 00:50:53.040 --> 00:50:58.040 Okay, well, I'm not going to worry about how many Brussels sprouts or cabbage I eat. 00:50:58.040 --> 00:51:04.040 And I want to thank you kindly for your wealth of information, Dr. Peat, over the years here. 00:51:04.040 --> 00:51:05.040 Thank you. Good night. 00:51:05.040 --> 00:51:10.040 If you're still listening, Collar, you can cook your kale, 00:51:10.040 --> 00:51:13.040 which is the most nutritious out of all of them, very, very well, 00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:19.040 and cook it with lots of coconut oil, and you will reduce some of the thyroid suppressive effects. 00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:20.040 Excellent. Thank you. 00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:23.040 Okay. All right. 00:51:23.040 --> 00:51:25.040 So were you going to say anything, Dr. Peat? 00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:40.040 Yeah, on the topic of stress and cancer, about 15 or 20 years ago, Carl Simonton was in the news recommending emotional therapy 00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:56.040 for changing your attitude, visualizing, trying to have anything to reduce stress as a way to improve survival. 00:51:56.040 --> 00:52:03.040 He noticed that he was a radiation treater of cancer, 00:52:03.040 --> 00:52:10.040 and he noticed that with the same treatment, his patients who were cheerier lived longer. 00:52:10.040 --> 00:52:23.040 And later, a group at Stanford and UC Berkeley did a study in which one group of women with advanced breast cancer 00:52:23.040 --> 00:52:34.040 were given some kind of emotional counseling, and a similar number was just treated in a standard way. 00:52:34.040 --> 00:52:38.040 The ones with the counseling lived twice as long. 00:52:38.040 --> 00:52:43.040 Yeah. The mind-body connection is underestimated. 00:52:43.040 --> 00:52:45.040 So it shows the mind controls all. 00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:48.040 We do have another caller on the air, so let's take this caller. 00:52:48.040 --> 00:52:52.040 Caller, you're on the air, and where are you from? 00:52:52.040 --> 00:52:54.040 Hello, caller, you're on the air, where are you from? 00:52:54.040 --> 00:52:55.040 Yes, hello? 00:52:55.040 --> 00:52:56.040 Hi. 00:52:56.040 --> 00:52:59.040 Yeah, I'm from Garreville. 00:52:59.040 --> 00:53:04.040 I'd like to, you mentioned the cabbage and the... 00:53:04.040 --> 00:53:07.040 And you should turn the radio down, caller, because your radio's on. 00:53:07.040 --> 00:53:09.040 Or the something's on. 00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:13.040 Oh. Okay, well, I want to, is it okay now? 00:53:13.040 --> 00:53:15.040 Yeah, it's just the same. 00:53:15.040 --> 00:53:17.040 Oh, okay, hold on, I'll put it down. 00:53:18.040 --> 00:53:31.040 [Silence] 00:53:31.040 --> 00:53:32.040 Well, while we're waiting for-- 00:53:32.040 --> 00:53:33.040 Hello, is that better? 00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:34.040 Yeah, that's better, thank you. 00:53:34.040 --> 00:53:38.040 Okay, yeah, I always heard that, I think they call it cruciferous vegetables. 00:53:38.040 --> 00:53:40.040 Right, yeah, it's the brassicas. 00:53:40.040 --> 00:53:46.040 Broccoli and cauliflower and cabbage were very anti-cancer and were good for you, 00:53:46.040 --> 00:53:48.040 and especially the colon. 00:53:48.040 --> 00:53:51.040 Now, I tend to like to eat a lot of raw cabbage in salad. 00:53:51.040 --> 00:53:57.040 Is it any better if you don't cook it or you do cook it? 00:53:57.040 --> 00:53:59.040 You say that it suppresses thyroid? 00:53:59.040 --> 00:54:02.040 Yeah, it suppresses your basic energy currency of your body, 00:54:02.040 --> 00:54:04.040 your body's ability to use oxygen. 00:54:04.040 --> 00:54:08.040 And if it's raw, it's very potent. 00:54:08.040 --> 00:54:12.040 Actual thyroid drugs used to treat hyperactive thyroid 00:54:12.040 --> 00:54:15.040 have the same exact compound that's in cabbage juice. 00:54:15.040 --> 00:54:20.040 So raw cabbage is particularly harmful to your energy metabolism of your body. 00:54:20.040 --> 00:54:28.040 But leaves in general can stimulate the intestine so it has a speedier transit, 00:54:28.040 --> 00:54:33.040 and that reduces the recycling of estrogen. 00:54:33.040 --> 00:54:37.040 The liver excretes estrogen in the bile, 00:54:37.040 --> 00:54:41.040 and if you have slow transit, tend to be constipated, 00:54:41.040 --> 00:54:47.040 and then much of that estrogen is reabsorbed and circulates again in the body. 00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:50.040 So in other words, if you do eat something like cabbage, 00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:53.040 it can make everything move through your intestines more quickly. 00:54:53.040 --> 00:54:57.040 Right, but there's safer things you can eat to get your intestines moving, 00:54:57.040 --> 00:55:00.040 like raw grated carrot, and you could eat spinach or chard 00:55:00.040 --> 00:55:02.040 that you cook with a little bit of baking soda, 00:55:02.040 --> 00:55:04.040 and that will get your intestines moving. 00:55:04.040 --> 00:55:06.040 What about raw foods? 00:55:06.040 --> 00:55:09.040 I heard that they have good enzymes in them, 00:55:09.040 --> 00:55:14.040 they help digest the cooked food, like if you have salad with raw-- 00:55:14.040 --> 00:55:19.040 okay, carrots and cabbage and lettuce and that sort of thing, 00:55:19.040 --> 00:55:22.040 that that's good for you. 00:55:22.040 --> 00:55:23.040 Dr. Peat? 00:55:23.040 --> 00:55:29.040 There's always the risk that since humans can't digest cellulose at all, 00:55:29.040 --> 00:55:31.040 but bacteria can, 00:55:31.040 --> 00:55:38.040 the uncooked food is great for bacterial replication 00:55:38.040 --> 00:55:42.040 but very poor for human nutrition. 00:55:42.040 --> 00:55:46.040 And so it's a risk and can cause-- 00:55:46.040 --> 00:55:48.040 Well, what about fresh fruit? 00:55:48.040 --> 00:55:51.040 Well, fresh fruit doesn't have such high cellulose content. 00:55:51.040 --> 00:55:55.040 Yeah, the low-fiber fruits are very good. 00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:59.040 So, but you don't think raw vegetables are good? 00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:04.040 Only raw carrot because the bacteria can't digest the raw carrot fiber like they can-- 00:56:04.040 --> 00:56:08.040 But if everything-- if it helps move through your intestines quickly-- 00:56:08.040 --> 00:56:10.040 Well, then that's why you choose the things that are safer 00:56:10.040 --> 00:56:12.040 to help your intestines move more quickly. 00:56:12.040 --> 00:56:16.040 Well, then why do we keep hearing that one of the best things to eat 00:56:16.040 --> 00:56:20.040 to prevent cancer is the cruciferous vegetables? 00:56:20.040 --> 00:56:23.040 Unfortunate misinformation. 00:56:23.040 --> 00:56:27.040 Why do we keep hearing that HRT is supposed to be protective for your bones? 00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:29.040 Why do we keep hearing that estrogen is good for you? 00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:31.040 Why do we keep hearing that sugar is bad for you? 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:32.040 It's unfortunate. 00:56:32.040 --> 00:56:34.040 I'm going to have to call that the evening, 00:56:34.040 --> 00:56:36.040 but thank you so much for the callers who called in, 00:56:36.040 --> 00:56:38.040 and thank you, Dr. Peat, for your time. 00:56:38.040 --> 00:56:41.040 I'll just let people know how to get a hold of you. 00:56:41.040 --> 00:56:45.040 Yeah, I think I just want to sum the show up by saying that 00:56:45.040 --> 00:56:49.040 what you've heard this evening, have a rethink about it 00:56:49.040 --> 00:56:53.040 because you probably never really heard it before, 00:56:53.040 --> 00:56:57.040 and what you have heard is not the truth, 00:56:57.040 --> 00:57:03.040 and it's so easy to get brainwashed by media 00:57:03.040 --> 00:57:07.040 and by companies producing product 00:57:07.040 --> 00:57:10.040 that it's very important that you do your own research 00:57:10.040 --> 00:57:12.040 because you will find the truth out there, 00:57:12.040 --> 00:57:16.040 and people like Dr. Peat have spent most of his life researching 00:57:16.040 --> 00:57:20.040 either directly or looking at peer-reviewed papers 00:57:20.040 --> 00:57:23.040 and looking at the scientific evidence. 00:57:23.040 --> 00:57:25.040 So it's unfortunate we get bombarded, 00:57:25.040 --> 00:57:28.040 but we do have the ability to turn on the computer 00:57:28.040 --> 00:57:30.040 and do our own research. 00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:34.040 But just thanks once again for joining us for the show. 00:57:34.040 --> 00:57:41.040 His number, or rather his website, is www.raypeat.com, R-A-Y P-E-A-T, 00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:45.040 and we can be reached Monday through Friday 00:57:45.040 --> 00:57:49.040 on our toll-free number, 1-888-WBM-ERB. 00:57:49.040 --> 00:57:51.040 So. 00:57:51.040 --> 00:57:53.040 Good night. Thank you for listening. 00:57:53.040 --> 00:57:55.040 This is Sarah Johanneson Murray. 00:57:55.040 --> 00:57:57.040 And my name's Andrew Murray. 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