WEBVTT 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.720 - Well, once again, welcome to this month's 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.000 third Friday of the month radio show, 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.140 Ask Your Herb Doctor. 00:00:07.140 --> 00:00:08.680 My name's Andrew Murray. 00:00:08.680 --> 00:00:12.300 - My name's Sarah Johanneson Murray. 00:00:12.300 --> 00:00:14.560 - For those of you who perhaps have never listened 00:00:14.560 --> 00:00:17.900 to the shows, they run every third Friday of the month 00:00:17.900 --> 00:00:19.960 from seven to late p.m. 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:22.280 We're both licensed medical herbalists 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:24.800 who trained in England, graduated there 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:26.580 with a degree in herbal medicine. 00:00:28.740 --> 00:00:30.720 We run a clinic in Garboville where we consult 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:32.620 with clients about a wide range of conditions 00:00:32.620 --> 00:00:36.640 and recommend dietary supplements, nutritional counseling, 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.840 and a alternative approach to the management 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:43.720 of various different conditions. 00:00:43.720 --> 00:00:45.720 You're listening to Ask Your Herb Doctor 00:00:45.720 --> 00:00:49.000 on KMUD Garboville, 91.1 FM, 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.120 and from 7.30 until the end of the show at eight o'clock, 00:00:52.120 --> 00:00:55.480 you're invited to call in either with questions related to 00:00:55.480 --> 00:00:58.540 or unrelated to tonight's topic 00:00:58.540 --> 00:01:00.880 of the metabolism of cancer. 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.300 We're very pleased to have Dr. Raymond Peat 00:01:04.300 --> 00:01:08.580 with us once more, and this month's topic 00:01:08.580 --> 00:01:11.180 is actually based on his newsletter. 00:01:11.180 --> 00:01:15.300 The newsletter he brought out back in May, 00:01:15.300 --> 00:01:21.060 was another introduction to cancer metabolism, 00:01:21.060 --> 00:01:23.020 but if I remember rightly, 00:01:23.020 --> 00:01:28.020 the paranoia versus trust-anoia was a interesting concept 00:01:28.020 --> 00:01:32.240 where most people trust mainstream medicine 00:01:32.240 --> 00:01:33.320 to do them right. 00:01:33.320 --> 00:01:37.680 Choose wisely and find your information out 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.440 from alternative sources. 00:01:39.440 --> 00:01:42.600 I think that alternative word is another very good 00:01:42.600 --> 00:01:45.560 starting point for tonight's show. 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:50.000 It is the drive that the radio show is having 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.240 to basically keep running. 00:01:53.240 --> 00:01:56.320 Free speech radio and independent radio stations 00:01:56.320 --> 00:01:59.780 are really not very common in America anymore. 00:01:59.780 --> 00:02:04.680 Radio shows are generally getting taken over, 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.720 becoming more and more mainstream, 00:02:07.720 --> 00:02:10.000 but obviously free speech is still alive, 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:13.800 and again, that's our constitutional First Amendment right. 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:18.240 So it's a very precious thing to have free speech 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.240 aired on the airwaves, whether it's locally here 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:26.320 or brought across the nation on the internet 00:02:26.320 --> 00:02:29.120 or other radio stations that would carry this show. 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.480 It's a very precious commodity. 00:02:31.480 --> 00:02:33.680 So you know that when free speech 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.440 starts to become suppressed, 00:02:35.440 --> 00:02:37.840 you know the government are really not 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:39.600 what you want in power. 00:02:39.600 --> 00:02:41.160 I will say no more about that, 00:02:41.160 --> 00:02:43.440 but the constitutional amendment, First Amendment, 00:02:43.440 --> 00:02:46.880 is a very strong and fundamental right 00:02:46.880 --> 00:02:48.900 that we all have as American citizens 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:51.440 to be able to freely choose what it is 00:02:51.440 --> 00:02:54.360 rather than be told that this is what you're gonna get. 00:02:54.360 --> 00:02:56.280 So the Ask Your Ab Doctor show 00:02:56.280 --> 00:02:58.800 is definitely one of those radio programs 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:02.720 that brings you an alternative to the mainstream narrative, 00:03:02.720 --> 00:03:07.520 what you're gonna hear from mainstream science and doctors, 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.320 and Dr. Raymond P., fortunately, 00:03:10.320 --> 00:03:14.080 is a wealth of information, very alternative, 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.880 definitely outside the box thinking 00:03:15.880 --> 00:03:17.960 like so many of the great scientists 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.780 that he quotes during his work from Szent-Györgyi 00:03:20.780 --> 00:03:23.200 to Gilbert Ling to May Wan Ho, 00:03:23.200 --> 00:03:26.440 many, many others that we've mentioned over several years now 00:03:26.440 --> 00:03:27.780 probably going on eight years 00:03:27.780 --> 00:03:30.760 that we've been delighted to have Dr. Peat 00:03:30.760 --> 00:03:32.600 sharing his wisdom with us. 00:03:32.600 --> 00:03:35.120 - And if you listen to commercial radio now and then, 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.160 you know what media consolidation means. 00:03:37.160 --> 00:03:39.280 It's cookie cutter programming. 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:41.340 And 15 to 20 minutes of every hour, 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:43.100 they're hounding you to buy stuff. 00:03:43.100 --> 00:03:44.680 KMET is different, completely different. 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:45.520 And you know why? 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.160 Because it's independent, community-based community radio 00:03:49.160 --> 00:03:50.440 funded by the community. 00:03:50.440 --> 00:03:53.640 And our only responsibility is to you, the listener. 00:03:53.640 --> 00:03:56.900 So please support KMET. 00:03:56.900 --> 00:04:00.280 - Okay, Dr. Peat, is Dr. Peat with us? 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:02.040 - Yes. - Oh, hi, Dr. Peat. 00:04:02.040 --> 00:04:04.560 Well, thanks so much for joining us. 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.440 I think what I wanted to do 00:04:06.440 --> 00:04:09.800 was just basically describe an outline 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:15.060 of what has happened in science 00:04:15.060 --> 00:04:17.680 and which has very much derailed 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.040 some very good research that was done 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.520 that perhaps didn't go along 00:04:23.520 --> 00:04:28.520 with the corporate collectivistic background controllers, 00:04:28.520 --> 00:04:34.440 if you like, from the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. 00:04:34.440 --> 00:04:39.120 I know a couple of months back, we had the subject 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.640 and very much what was brought out was that 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:47.140 the institution has institutionalized medicine 00:04:47.140 --> 00:04:48.820 to the point where good science 00:04:48.820 --> 00:04:51.900 becomes largely ignored or demonized. 00:04:51.900 --> 00:04:53.140 I think that's very true to say, 00:04:53.140 --> 00:04:55.100 and it's not just scare tactics. 00:04:55.100 --> 00:04:58.820 It's very much true that alternative medical doctors 00:04:58.820 --> 00:05:00.900 get hounded out of medicine. 00:05:00.900 --> 00:05:02.900 They have to leave the country, go abroad, 00:05:02.900 --> 00:05:04.340 where they can continue to practice 00:05:04.340 --> 00:05:05.900 because in this country, 00:05:05.900 --> 00:05:10.900 there is quite a powerful suppression of alternative ideas. 00:05:11.740 --> 00:05:14.760 So I think without me probably carrying on too much more, 00:05:14.760 --> 00:05:18.180 I think just starting with Otto Warburg, 00:05:18.180 --> 00:05:22.500 if you would outline perhaps the history 00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:27.400 of oxidative metabolism, which William Koch, 00:05:27.400 --> 00:05:29.520 Frederick Koch, through Otto Warburg 00:05:29.520 --> 00:05:31.880 and Albert Szent-Györgyi elucidated 00:05:31.880 --> 00:05:35.080 and how that really should have been 00:05:35.080 --> 00:05:36.960 the direction that medicine, 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:39.120 if it really wanted to help people with cancer, 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:40.200 should have gone in, 00:05:40.200 --> 00:05:43.440 but which through various powerful lobbying groups 00:05:43.440 --> 00:05:46.100 and the estrogen industry, et cetera, have derailed it. 00:05:46.100 --> 00:05:50.080 And it's become very much a dogmatic, 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:54.720 destructive, sidel type approach 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.840 like bactericides or viricides. 00:05:57.840 --> 00:06:00.400 It's a kind of cancer recidal approach 00:06:00.400 --> 00:06:04.040 to killing cancer cells with chemotherapy, radiotherapy, 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.520 and all the other targeted programs 00:06:06.520 --> 00:06:10.480 that basically destroy the organism rather than help it. 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:14.520 So would you be able to give an outline of metabolism 00:06:14.520 --> 00:06:16.960 as seen through the eyes of these great scientists 00:06:16.960 --> 00:06:18.820 who really were onto something? 00:06:18.820 --> 00:06:22.480 - Yeah, starting in 1900, 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:28.520 the idea of electrons in molecules 00:06:28.520 --> 00:06:32.560 was really just being explored. 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.920 It was about 1930, '35, 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:41.960 when mainstream chemists started accepting 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:44.920 that there was such a thing as a free radical. 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:49.920 But in 1900, Moses Gomberg at the University of Michigan 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:53.960 had produced a stable free radical, 00:06:53.960 --> 00:06:57.920 which with a free, 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:02.480 but fairly unreactive electron, 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.920 produced a deep purple color 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:09.680 with a very small amount of the molecule in solution. 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.120 And this started other chemists thinking about 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:17.320 what produces color in molecules. 00:07:17.320 --> 00:07:20.600 And over the next four or five years, 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:25.600 several chemists were theorizing about mobile electrons 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:31.360 in molecules like benzoquinone. 00:07:32.200 --> 00:07:37.200 And these were really at the center of mainstream chemistry, 00:07:37.200 --> 00:07:44.400 but even the average university chemist 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:50.120 wasn't up to date on the theories of electrons. 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:55.320 It was only in 1916 that Gilbert Lewis 00:07:55.320 --> 00:07:59.840 gave his theory of electron bonding. 00:07:59.840 --> 00:08:04.840 And then Niels Bohr, I think it was 1921, 00:08:04.840 --> 00:08:09.520 described his picture of how electrons 00:08:09.520 --> 00:08:11.520 orbit around molecules. 00:08:11.520 --> 00:08:14.920 And then several years later, 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:19.840 Leibniz-Pauling gave a more detailed description 00:08:19.840 --> 00:08:23.720 of how electrons work in chemical bonds. 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:28.240 So the very best biochemists 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.760 were just getting started around 1935 00:08:32.760 --> 00:08:34.520 thinking about electrons. 00:08:34.520 --> 00:08:39.400 And biologists and medical doctors 00:08:39.400 --> 00:08:45.800 couldn't imagine how electrons could have anything to do 00:08:45.800 --> 00:08:47.960 with the life process. 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:55.080 So the process that is involved in oxidation, 00:08:55.560 --> 00:08:59.440 it's the movement of electrons from a fuel 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.320 such as sugar or fat to oxygen. 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:04.880 And in the process, 00:09:04.880 --> 00:09:11.320 there's a lot of extractable energy in some form. 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:16.320 And when the biologists finally admitted 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:21.000 that electrons had to be explained somehow, 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:25.040 they wanted to compartmentalize 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:29.080 how the energy is used in moving 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:33.160 from glucose or fat down to oxygen. 00:09:33.160 --> 00:09:37.480 And so they invented little machines 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:42.480 that would take sort of a quantum of energy 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.320 out of that moving electron 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:48.800 and attach it to various little machines, 00:09:48.800 --> 00:09:52.240 which they called pumps or motors and so on, 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.640 and explained muscle contraction and secretion 00:09:56.640 --> 00:10:01.640 and all processes in this very primitive concept 00:10:01.640 --> 00:10:04.840 of biological energy, 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:09.840 where the actual process is a flow, a streaming process. 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:16.000 There's no standing still for the electron. 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:20.280 The cell dies if it isn't constantly moving 00:10:21.280 --> 00:10:24.640 the electrons from fuel to oxygen. 00:10:24.640 --> 00:10:28.680 - So this is a process that's going on every breath we take 00:10:28.680 --> 00:10:30.520 and every single cell in our body 00:10:30.520 --> 00:10:35.520 is moving these electrons from sugar or fat to oxygen. 00:10:35.520 --> 00:10:40.320 - Yeah, and when you try to measure 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:43.920 the electrical energy of a cell, 00:10:43.920 --> 00:10:45.880 you stick a needle in, for example, 00:10:45.880 --> 00:10:48.200 to measure the voltage. 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:53.200 And people have sort of a standing static picture 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.520 of the cell in which it's a membrane 00:10:57.520 --> 00:11:00.960 and inside there are statistically 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:06.200 randomized molecules carrying electrons. 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:11.200 And so they think of it as effectively a bag of electrons, 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:13.760 which they're measuring. 00:11:13.760 --> 00:11:15.880 What they're doing is disrupting 00:11:15.880 --> 00:11:20.880 this intricate constant flow from fuel to oxygen. 00:11:20.880 --> 00:11:27.560 And they're measuring an injured cell. 00:11:27.560 --> 00:11:32.880 Every time they try to stop it to fit their model, 00:11:32.880 --> 00:11:36.280 they're destroying some cell process. 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:41.800 And in the 1940s, 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.960 Ben Chorchee published some of his work 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:50.160 with oxidative processes in muscle 00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:52.240 and how energy is used. 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.520 And he was the one who discovered 00:11:54.520 --> 00:11:59.520 that ATP literally makes muscle contract. 00:11:59.520 --> 00:12:04.880 He extracted muscle and used various simplified preparations 00:12:04.880 --> 00:12:10.480 to show that simply adding ATP made the muscle move. 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.320 And he was thinking of something electronic going on 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:20.200 related to oxidation and fuel use and so on. 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.880 But he found that the contracted muscle 00:12:24.880 --> 00:12:29.880 in the presence of ATP didn't break down the ATP molecule. 00:12:29.880 --> 00:12:34.000 That ATP causes muscle to contract 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:37.320 without changing its bond structure. 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:38.840 - And this is very interesting, folks. 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:40.320 When you hear this, 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:41.400 I don't want to interrupt you too much. 00:12:41.400 --> 00:12:44.000 So muscle contraction can occur 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.280 in the absence of the breakdown of ATP, 00:12:46.280 --> 00:12:49.200 which is not what I was taught when I was at school. 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:50.040 So anyway, yeah, 00:12:50.040 --> 00:12:53.000 most people that listen to what you've just said now 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.320 might remember that the classic description is ATP 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.920 is reduced to ADP and AMP. 00:12:59.920 --> 00:13:02.880 And that release of that phosphate group 00:13:02.880 --> 00:13:05.000 is what actually drives the muscle. 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:07.840 But Dr. Peat, you're saying that that is not the way it is. 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:12.360 - Yeah, when I was in graduate school, 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.000 the muscle biologists all over the world 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.760 were saying that ATP has a high energy bond 00:13:19.760 --> 00:13:24.480 of 11 or 14 kilocalories per mole. 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.840 And it's that energy that can be used 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.280 to explain the little muscles, 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:34.840 motors in the muscles that cause movement. 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:36.680 Without that high energy, 00:13:36.680 --> 00:13:39.840 it would be impossible to explain their motors. 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.600 But meanwhile, Gilbert Ling had, 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.600 I think he probably read "Sanctuary II" 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:51.720 and was aware that ATP didn't have to break down 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:53.320 to release energy. 00:13:53.320 --> 00:13:58.320 He pointed out that the energy of the whole molecule 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:04.760 of ATP sticking to the protein of the muscle 00:14:04.760 --> 00:14:09.640 has an energy of stickiness or adsorption energy 00:14:09.640 --> 00:14:13.120 of 21 kilocalories per mole, 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:17.840 twice as much as the hypothetical bond energy. 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:22.360 And that explains why it makes the protein change 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.560 without having to break down. 00:14:24.560 --> 00:14:29.560 Simply the relationship between the molecules 00:14:29.560 --> 00:14:32.120 shifts the whole structure. 00:14:33.560 --> 00:14:36.800 And this is very much that kind of holistic, 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:40.840 alternative approach to science and to biology 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.320 that enables these people that are doing this 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.640 to see the whole thing is confluent. 00:14:45.640 --> 00:14:48.840 And it's constant, like you said, electrons don't stop. 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:50.440 They're constantly moving. 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.040 They're constantly in action. 00:14:53.040 --> 00:14:55.280 And that is life right there 00:14:55.280 --> 00:14:58.040 when molecules are being produced 00:14:58.040 --> 00:15:03.040 and cells are being signaled and communication is happening. 00:15:03.160 --> 00:15:04.360 It all involves energy. 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:05.720 And I know you're a big advocate 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.560 of supporting thyroid function 00:15:07.560 --> 00:15:11.080 because that ultimately is a very big driver of metabolism 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.040 as is mitochondrial function. 00:15:13.040 --> 00:15:14.400 - And the energy of the cell. 00:15:14.400 --> 00:15:15.960 - Yeah, and that all of this is, 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:18.400 we're all very much energetic living beings. 00:15:18.400 --> 00:15:19.680 We're not static. 00:15:19.680 --> 00:15:23.000 And actually a lot of what we'll perhaps get into later on 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:26.720 here with cancer metabolism being a very aberrant form 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:28.000 of that kind of metabolism, 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:33.000 which is much more destructive and very negative 00:15:33.560 --> 00:15:36.480 is very much opposed to regular life, 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.840 which is productive and energetic. 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:40.960 And that high energy state 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.760 is what actually keeps us alive and healthy 00:15:42.760 --> 00:15:45.240 and allows our immune systems 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.000 to get on top of spontaneous cancers 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.280 'cause they know that they do arise all the time. 00:15:49.280 --> 00:15:51.400 And it's only in those lowered energetic states 00:15:51.400 --> 00:15:53.920 where people can actually produce a cancer 00:15:53.920 --> 00:15:55.080 that starts to take them out. 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:59.520 And it's all the negative lactic acid production, et cetera, 00:15:59.520 --> 00:16:03.000 from tumors that contributes in the carbon monoxide. 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:04.200 We'll get into that later on. 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.120 - But we're not talking about like the high adrenaline, 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:08.000 that type of energy. 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.400 We're talking about energy from a cell functioning properly 00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:13.240 and having enough thyroid, 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.040 which basically means the cell has enough oxygen. 00:16:16.040 --> 00:16:17.520 And it's a very calm state, 00:16:17.520 --> 00:16:20.480 but your cells have a lot of energy in that calm state. 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:23.400 - All right, you're listening to After Care 00:16:23.400 --> 00:16:26.400 with Dr. K.M.E.D. Galbraith, 91.1 FM. 00:16:26.400 --> 00:16:29.040 And from 7.30 until the end of the show, 00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:31.360 callers are welcome to call in with questions 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.640 either related to this month's topic 00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:35.960 of the metabolism of cancer. 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:39.040 And a toll-free number if you live outside the area, 00:16:39.040 --> 00:16:44.000 there's an 800 number, which is 800-K-M-U-D-RAD. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.360 So that's 800-568-3723. 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:52.360 Or if you're in the area code, the number's 923-3911. 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.600 - Actually, Michael said that he didn't think that- 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.000 - I thought that the long, 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.160 well, if you've been calling the show from Missouri, 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:01.440 call whatever number you've been using. 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:03.480 But I was under the impression the 800 number 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:04.680 didn't work out of California, 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:05.520 but I could be totally wrong. 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:06.360 - Oh, okay, interesting. I didn't know that. 00:17:06.360 --> 00:17:07.520 Thanks for telling me. - Anyway, I mean, 00:17:07.520 --> 00:17:09.320 we're broke and the 800 number isn't free. 00:17:09.320 --> 00:17:10.720 The 800 number costs us. 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:13.520 So you might as well have it on your phone bill anyway. 00:17:13.520 --> 00:17:15.040 - All right, there you go. 00:17:15.040 --> 00:17:16.760 Okay, so yeah, all right. 00:17:16.760 --> 00:17:18.080 Somebody was gonna come in at one point. 00:17:18.080 --> 00:17:19.760 - Oh, no, we're gonna do that at 7.25. 00:17:19.760 --> 00:17:21.440 - Oh, we're doing it at 7.25, okay. 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:22.360 All right. 00:17:22.360 --> 00:17:26.080 So Dr. Peat, getting back to this kind of energetic 00:17:26.080 --> 00:17:28.200 state of the cell, 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.360 that's probably a good point at which you understand 00:17:31.360 --> 00:17:34.440 how cancer can arise, 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.000 how it can be allowed to be outside the body's 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:38.520 normal control, 00:17:38.520 --> 00:17:41.160 and how that energetic state, 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:42.160 we won't call it energetic, 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:46.440 perhaps we call it excited, depleted state, 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.640 should best be understood as a way to understand cancer. 00:17:51.760 --> 00:17:54.440 In the 1920s, at the time, 00:17:54.440 --> 00:17:59.800 Farberg was developing his idea of oxidation. 00:17:59.800 --> 00:18:06.320 And in England, David Kylan was working on another side 00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:10.520 of oxidation with these cytochromes. 00:18:10.520 --> 00:18:15.520 And he found that when an insect flight muscle, 00:18:15.520 --> 00:18:17.840 or a bird flight muscle, 00:18:17.840 --> 00:18:19.920 a very energetic muscle, 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:24.280 when it was contracting and highly stimulated, 00:18:24.280 --> 00:18:27.880 the pigment that he was studying disappeared, 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:31.800 showing that there was no oxygen present. 00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:36.800 The extreme activity had consumed 00:18:36.800 --> 00:18:39.040 all of the oxygen momentarily, 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:43.640 and shifted the cell and those pigments 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:48.000 into a reduced state of excess electrons. 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:53.480 So this was, Szent-Györgyi and Kylan 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.920 were simultaneously working on the ideas 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:01.920 that William Frederick Koch at the University of Michigan 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.240 had developed independently, 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:10.240 that it's the flow of electrons through the system 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:14.760 to oxygen, which has to be continuous. 00:19:14.760 --> 00:19:19.200 And when something over-stimulates 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.560 or irritates an area, 00:19:21.560 --> 00:19:26.200 the idea of irritation or carcinogenic smoke and so on 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:28.000 was already known. 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.760 And the irritating effect of estrogen, for example, 00:19:32.760 --> 00:19:35.280 was already known. 00:19:35.280 --> 00:19:41.640 So the idea of excitation, 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:46.120 exhausting the tissue oxygen, 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:51.800 is at the center of the idea of what cancer is. 00:19:51.800 --> 00:19:56.800 Warburg described his thought at that time 00:19:56.800 --> 00:20:02.120 as the cancer has a defect in respiration, 00:20:02.120 --> 00:20:05.880 which makes it lack the Pasteur effect, 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.880 which was what Pasteur had seen in yeast, 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:14.880 was that oxygen normally causes the yeast 00:20:15.560 --> 00:20:17.600 to stop from ending, 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:20.040 to stop producing lactic acid or ethanol 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:21.440 in the case of beer. 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:25.600 But Szent-Györgyi, he said, 00:20:25.600 --> 00:20:28.040 there's something wrong with the system 00:20:28.040 --> 00:20:32.080 that prevents cancer from, 00:20:32.080 --> 00:20:34.000 even in the presence of oxygen, 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.960 from being able to turn off that excitatory process 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:40.520 that produces lactic acid. 00:20:40.520 --> 00:20:44.320 So there's something keeping the cell 00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:46.200 in the excited state. 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:51.200 And that's where the details have been developed now 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:56.760 over the last 90 years since Warburg expressed that idea. 00:20:56.760 --> 00:21:02.400 What are the things that can turn off the excitation, 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:05.920 the excess of stimulation, 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:10.920 and let the oxygen, which can be present, 00:21:11.080 --> 00:21:12.840 let the oxygen do its work 00:21:12.840 --> 00:21:16.960 to turn off the lactic acid production? 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:21.320 - So it's a form of energy production 00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:23.560 the body has as like a backup mechanism. 00:21:23.560 --> 00:21:25.920 When it's not using oxygen properly, 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:28.120 then it converts to using-- 00:21:28.120 --> 00:21:30.400 - Sugar. 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.520 - Sugar, and it's inefficient, and it's wasteful, 00:21:33.520 --> 00:21:35.360 and it overexcites the cell. 00:21:35.360 --> 00:21:37.480 I'm just trying to understand this myself 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:38.760 and also put it into some 00:21:38.760 --> 00:21:41.320 a little bit more understandable terms for our listeners. 00:21:41.320 --> 00:21:46.160 - When it's either deficient in oxygen or overstimulated. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:49.080 - So that it used up all the oxygen 00:21:49.080 --> 00:21:50.440 'cause it was overstimulated. 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.240 - Yeah, so it's the same thing 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.120 as suffocating or being overstimulated. 00:21:56.120 --> 00:22:00.080 There's no oxygen to turn off the production of lactic acid. 00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:02.520 And then the lactic acid itself 00:22:02.520 --> 00:22:08.560 is an irritant, a stimulant. 00:22:08.560 --> 00:22:12.880 It shifts the cell away from the use of oxygen 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:16.840 towards the production of more lactic acid. 00:22:16.840 --> 00:22:18.800 - So it's like a vicious cycle. 00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:21.120 Here, we're going to pause you for a moment here, Dr. Bate, 00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:24.320 while we have Jordan come in. 00:22:24.320 --> 00:22:25.840 And we're going to talk about 00:22:25.840 --> 00:22:28.280 what a wonderful radio station this is. 00:22:28.280 --> 00:22:29.920 It's an oasis of diversity. 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:34.440 And it's an oasis amid the sameness 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.280 of the commercial media landscapes. 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:39.440 We provide essential nourishment for your mind and soul 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:41.280 with our amazing variety of programs. 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:45.800 - Wow, what a show tonight, very scientific. 00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:47.240 No one like Dr. Peat. 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:48.320 - No one. 00:22:48.320 --> 00:22:50.920 - He really gives you the info, 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:52.720 but some real science tonight. 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:54.440 You really got to pay attention. 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:55.480 But I just want to thank you guys 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:57.600 for coming in and doing your show every month. 00:22:57.600 --> 00:22:59.520 I want to thank all the talk show hosts. 00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:01.280 And I want you, dear listener, 00:23:01.280 --> 00:23:03.600 to thank the talk show hosts by calling in your support 00:23:03.600 --> 00:23:06.520 to 707-923-3911. 00:23:06.520 --> 00:23:08.760 We've got some phone answers out there 00:23:08.760 --> 00:23:11.080 who'd really like you to keep them busy. 00:23:11.080 --> 00:23:16.080 And I loved, Andrew, your opening remarks 00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:18.560 about the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment, 00:23:18.560 --> 00:23:21.920 and how if we don't use our rights, we lose our rights. 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:23.000 - 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So you were telling us about lactic acid 00:25:32.320 --> 00:25:34.640 and how it feeds cancer cells 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.600 and because of the lack of oxygen? 00:25:37.600 --> 00:25:40.560 - Yeah, anything that causes a lack of oxygen 00:25:40.560 --> 00:25:44.960 or excessive irritation and stimulating 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.840 to the point of fatigue 00:25:46.840 --> 00:25:50.440 will produce an excess of lactic acid. 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:51.840 - Just like when you run too long 00:25:51.840 --> 00:25:54.200 and you get stitches in your side? 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:59.200 - Yeah, and lactic acid produces an imbalance 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.240 in the electrons. 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:06.240 It takes up some electrons to be formed, 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.680 but in the process, 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:12.520 that increases the alkalinity inside the cell 00:26:12.520 --> 00:26:16.840 and in several ways creates a vicious circle 00:26:16.840 --> 00:26:21.840 of more electrons actually than it can take up. 00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:27.040 And one way that the cancer cell tries to return to normal 00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:30.920 is to use some of those excess electrons 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.720 that can't be consumed by converting pyruvic acid 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:36.640 to lactic acid, 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.560 is to use them in synthesizing fat. 00:26:39.560 --> 00:26:44.560 So interestingly, the cancer cell turns on the enzymes 00:26:44.560 --> 00:26:50.320 that synthesize fat as a way to drain away more electrons 00:26:50.320 --> 00:26:54.400 and then as oxygen becomes available, 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.840 the respiratory process will burn fat. 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:03.240 And so the cancer cell is eating all the sugar it can get 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.800 and tearing down the tissue of the body 00:27:06.800 --> 00:27:11.560 to use amino acids in place of glucose 00:27:11.560 --> 00:27:13.240 when that's deficient 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:18.240 and converting the energy from glycolysis, 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.560 either amino acids or glucose, 00:27:21.560 --> 00:27:23.880 converting that to fat 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:28.400 and then oxidizing the fat with whatever oxygen it has. 00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:33.400 And oxidizing fat is less efficient 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:34.840 - The last rule. 00:27:34.840 --> 00:27:35.760 - in terms of oxygen use. 00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:40.040 So it adds to the problem of oxygen deficiency. 00:27:40.040 --> 00:27:42.120 - Is this where the myth comes in 00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:43.440 where you hear a lot of people say, 00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.120 oh, sugar feeds cancer? 00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:46.920 - Well, yeah, actually. 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.600 - Does cancer eat sugar? 00:27:48.600 --> 00:27:53.600 - Sugar deprivation turns on the Warburg effect, 00:27:53.600 --> 00:27:56.240 turns on the stress reaction. 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.360 - And makes the lactic acid and makes the cancer. 00:27:58.360 --> 00:27:59.200 - Cancer cells. 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.040 - Yeah. 00:28:00.040 --> 00:28:02.480 - So it's actually the opposite, folks. 00:28:02.480 --> 00:28:05.600 - If you go into the ketosis, 00:28:05.600 --> 00:28:10.520 the stress metabolism that turns on this partial oxidation 00:28:10.520 --> 00:28:15.520 of fatty acids produces what they call the ketone bodies, 00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:20.440 but one of the ketone bodies is not a ketone. 00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:25.440 And it's the reduced state of this pairing 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:31.160 of acetoacetate and beta-ketobutyrate, 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:36.040 which is not a ketone. 00:28:36.040 --> 00:28:41.040 This is shifted so that it increases reductive imbalance. 00:28:41.040 --> 00:28:45.440 So it's almost as bad as lactate. 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:51.360 So it's the stress that is creating the cycle 00:28:51.360 --> 00:28:54.280 of excess electron imbalance. 00:28:54.280 --> 00:28:59.280 And then that in turn activates things that can amplify, 00:28:59.280 --> 00:29:02.440 depending on the total situation, 00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.120 can amplify the stress reaction 00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:10.080 and the reductive excess of electrons. 00:29:10.080 --> 00:29:14.320 So that, for example, the formation of prostaglandins 00:29:14.320 --> 00:29:18.240 is turned on when there's a shift 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.000 towards too many electrons, 00:29:21.560 --> 00:29:26.440 an imbalance in the direction of NADH rather than NAD, 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:31.760 or of too much reduced sulfhydryl. 00:29:31.760 --> 00:29:36.160 People are talking, actually, 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:39.440 they're giving glutathione supplements 00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:44.440 to increase the electron abundance in the tissue 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:49.800 where the cancer cell already has an excess of electrons. 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.640 It's a powerful antioxidant system 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.120 that keeps the cancer cell alive, 00:29:56.120 --> 00:29:58.800 but in this defective state. 00:29:58.800 --> 00:30:03.800 And the same process that turns on prostaglandins, 00:30:03.800 --> 00:30:08.800 which create all kinds of inflammation 00:30:08.800 --> 00:30:13.800 and tendency to reproduce themselves 00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:18.600 without differentiating. 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:21.680 It also turns on aromatase, 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.640 which makes estrogen, 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:27.880 which activates more of the tendency 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.560 to produce excess electrons. 00:30:30.560 --> 00:30:35.400 - I picked up on what you said about five minutes ago, 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.280 and I jotted a note down here just so I could ask you this, 00:30:39.280 --> 00:30:41.480 and this is definitely not scripted. 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:46.480 But you mentioned the inability to relax, 00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:51.000 the over-excitation or the excitotoxic effect 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.440 of various mediators that promote cancer, 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.040 and how the cancer itself is in a very excited state. 00:30:59.040 --> 00:31:01.520 And this constant excitation, 00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:04.200 and that oxygen, the presence of oxygen, 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.960 calms that excitation down. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.840 And this is the part that's unscripted. 00:31:08.840 --> 00:31:10.760 I wanted to ask you to understand this myself, 00:31:10.760 --> 00:31:13.840 because I know you're an advocate of CO2 00:31:13.840 --> 00:31:16.400 and increasing your CO2. 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.680 As a definite health benefit, 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.040 and I know we've talked about oxygen being a poison, 00:31:22.040 --> 00:31:25.920 essentially, and I think that's not a bad word for it. 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:31.720 But so how is oxygen in this way being a help, 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.400 as opposed to our general understanding 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.640 of oxygen being a fairly toxic gas? 00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:42.240 - The CO2 does at least three central things 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.320 related to the cancer. 00:31:43.320 --> 00:31:48.320 One, it's acting like a calming agent, 00:31:48.320 --> 00:31:52.640 the way ATP does to relax muscles 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.000 that aren't stimulated, 00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.760 holding them in a state of readiness to contract. 00:31:58.760 --> 00:32:04.880 And the CO2 is an analog of these pigment molecules 00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:12.640 that Kirk and Moses Gomberg were visualizing. 00:32:13.280 --> 00:32:16.120 - So you said CO2 has a structural similarity, 00:32:16.120 --> 00:32:17.520 'cause we haven't even talked about 00:32:17.520 --> 00:32:19.520 the anthocyanins and the flavonoids yet, 00:32:19.520 --> 00:32:22.480 but is that what you're saying? 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:26.520 - Yeah, it's an acid, a Lewis acid, 00:32:26.520 --> 00:32:28.880 which doesn't involve any protons, 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:33.440 but the double-bonded oxygens on the carbon 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.840 are the essential feature 00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:40.280 of the free radical oxidative catalysts 00:32:40.280 --> 00:32:42.360 that Koch was talking about, 00:32:42.360 --> 00:32:46.320 and that George worked with for about 40 or 50 years. 00:32:46.320 --> 00:32:52.480 And this acidic effect modifies the proteins 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:57.200 so that they are stabilized, calmed down, 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.680 kept quiet so that they aren't forced 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.080 to shift over to the lactic acid metabolism. 00:33:04.080 --> 00:33:09.080 And the CO2 also can fill in and correct 00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:12.800 what's missing in the Krebs cycle 00:33:12.800 --> 00:33:15.880 or the tricarboxylic acid cycle. 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.880 It's replenishing the catalytic effect of the fuel 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.320 that keeps the oxygen process going. 00:33:25.320 --> 00:33:30.320 And then CO2 also directly intervenes 00:33:30.320 --> 00:33:37.040 in the inhibition of lactic acid production. 00:33:38.600 --> 00:33:43.600 And so just by increasing the CO2, 00:33:43.600 --> 00:33:45.920 breathing in a bag, for example, 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.400 for a minute or so at a time, several times a day, 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:53.440 will lower your serum lactic acid. 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:56.320 And it's only in the last two or three years 00:33:56.320 --> 00:33:59.120 that several people are recognizing 00:33:59.120 --> 00:34:02.920 that you can diagnose cancer 00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:07.920 just by an increased chronic lactic acid excess in the blood. 00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.480 And since it's one of the factors 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.520 that keeps the process going, 00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:16.920 anything you can do that will shift 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.120 towards oxidative metabolism 00:34:19.120 --> 00:34:22.880 and lower your production of lactic acid is helpful. 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.080 - That's why you recommend for people who have cancer 00:34:27.080 --> 00:34:28.800 that they go to high elevation 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.800 so that they can increase the amount of CO2 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.720 in their bloodstream. 00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:37.720 - Yeah, there were studies in Russia in the 1960s 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.200 in which they gave carcinogens to rats. 00:34:43.200 --> 00:34:47.960 And then they treated some with chemotherapy 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.960 and took them to, I think it was 17,000 feet altitude. 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:59.480 And the ones at high altitude recovered 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:06.840 at a very high rate with or without the chemotherapy. 00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:12.600 The chemotherapy cured a few of them at normal altitude, 00:35:12.600 --> 00:35:16.440 but cured most of them at the high altitude. 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:18.360 And about 100 years ago, 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:23.280 the insurance company industry was already aware 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.880 that the cancer mortality was about 10% lower 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.200 in cities at high altitudes. 00:35:30.200 --> 00:35:35.320 So it was well recognized. 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.240 - Well recognized, 'cause if anyone doesn't wanna 00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:39.200 lose money, it's the insurance company. 00:35:39.200 --> 00:35:42.960 Well, thanks so much for explaining that. 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.640 Let me just remind people again, 00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:47.080 it's a live show and callers are welcome to call in. 00:35:47.080 --> 00:35:51.040 I know Dr. Peat enjoys answering questions. 00:35:51.040 --> 00:35:53.280 The more outside the box, the better for him. 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.040 I mean, I really appreciate your explanation 00:35:55.040 --> 00:35:57.560 of the CO2 effects and those three different mechanisms. 00:35:57.560 --> 00:35:59.320 And I know, I promise you now folks, 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:00.560 nothing was scripted here. 00:36:00.560 --> 00:36:02.320 That was just straight off the cuff. 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.440 So really appreciate your input, Dr. Peat. 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.160 A number, if you live in the area, 00:36:07.160 --> 00:36:12.160 923-3911, outside the area, 800-KMUD-RAD. 00:36:12.160 --> 00:36:15.120 If those people listening on the internet, 00:36:15.120 --> 00:36:16.480 I know that you can always communicate 00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.440 with KMUD via the internet as well. 00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:24.320 So Dr. Peat, just talking about those energetic effects, 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.800 and I wanted to ask you about the pigments 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.480 and we've already covered some of those. 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.720 You mentioned a deep purple pigment 00:36:33.720 --> 00:36:36.680 that Moses Gomberg first discovered, 00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:41.680 or it got him thinking about the energetic state of pigments 00:36:41.680 --> 00:36:47.800 and how I want to bring into this question, 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:52.800 the topic of flavonoids and in herbs and herbal medicine, 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.960 I know that things like bilberry, very antioxidant, 00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:01.720 there's blackberries, the dark berry pigments, 00:37:01.720 --> 00:37:04.760 and we'll get into a couple of other specific herbs 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.760 like Pau de Arco and the anthraquinone molecule 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.080 in things like cascara and Chinese rhubarb 00:37:13.080 --> 00:37:16.320 and a few other plants that contain anthraquinones 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:19.800 and how they have, and I was only reading this afternoon 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:24.800 on PubMed some articles based on those anthraquinones 00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.560 being proven to be anti-cancer or having 00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:28.880 an anti-cancer effect. 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.000 So how do you understand? 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.600 'Cause one thing for me, just to quote PubMed articles 00:37:34.600 --> 00:37:36.080 and understand in my own limited way 00:37:36.080 --> 00:37:39.080 from my own limited education background 00:37:39.080 --> 00:37:44.080 of how pigments work in terms of how science, 00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:46.160 I've been taught, understands it, 00:37:46.160 --> 00:37:49.360 but how do you think you see those pigments 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:51.840 affecting that electronic change? 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.600 - There have been several lines of research on Imodin, 00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:02.600 which is the pigment in aloe and cascara and Chinese rhubarb. 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:08.280 And it has a tremendous unexpected range of functions, 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:15.160 including a somewhat sedative or quieting effect, 00:38:15.160 --> 00:38:17.280 definitely not a stimulant, 00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:21.280 but activating oxidative metabolism in cells 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.280 and having a bacteria suppressing effect 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:28.880 and reducing inflammation. 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.880 These are all properties that W.F. Koch saw 00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:39.480 in the simple quinone type of oxidative catalyst. 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:49.840 When Koch went to Brazil, he began studying Lopacho. 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.360 He was probably the one that made it famous, 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.080 which is a similar structure, 00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.160 multiple ring structure that has a deep color. 00:39:01.160 --> 00:39:06.880 What these are doing is the same as carbon dioxide. 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:11.040 They're modifying, sort of tuning up 00:39:11.040 --> 00:39:16.040 the electrical system of proteins in cells. 00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:21.440 And that's the basic idea that I think has been 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.280 a common theme from Farberg through Szent-Györgyi, 00:39:27.120 --> 00:39:32.120 is that it's pointless to try to kill the cancer 00:39:32.120 --> 00:39:39.160 as if it was a parasite that could simply be removed. 00:39:39.160 --> 00:39:44.880 Because it turns out that when cells are normally 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:52.200 being fatigued and replaced, 00:39:52.200 --> 00:39:57.120 the dying cell stimulates the growth of stem cells 00:39:57.120 --> 00:39:59.160 to replace the tissue. 00:39:59.160 --> 00:40:02.440 And that's a process that happens in cancer. 00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:08.720 The natural cancer cell is very weak and defective, 00:40:08.720 --> 00:40:13.120 so it doesn't have a long lifespan. 00:40:13.120 --> 00:40:17.680 But every time it dies, it stimulates the replacement 00:40:17.680 --> 00:40:20.120 of a similar defective cell. 00:40:20.120 --> 00:40:25.120 And no matter how you kill the cancer cell, 00:40:25.120 --> 00:40:30.440 that area is injured and is tending to be replaced. 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:36.280 The injury caused by killing it 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:41.280 stimulates faster replacement in most situations 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.160 than just leaving it alone. 00:40:44.160 --> 00:40:48.360 And the alternative idea is to tune up 00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:52.120 both the tumor metabolism as far as possible 00:40:52.120 --> 00:40:56.960 and the metabolism of the surrounding organism. 00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:58.840 - Let me pause you there a moment, Dr. Peat. 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.520 I think we've got one or two callers on the line. 00:41:00.520 --> 00:41:02.400 So let's start taking this first caller. 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.600 Caller, where are you from and what's your question? 00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:07.240 - Hi, I'm calling from San Jose. 00:41:07.240 --> 00:41:09.080 - San Jose, hi, what's your question? 00:41:09.080 --> 00:41:15.360 - My question is about the altitude that Dr. Peat mentioned. 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.920 Is there any other factor like the weather 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.120 or something that influences it in addition to altitude? 00:41:22.120 --> 00:41:26.560 For example, let's say Denver versus Albuquerque, 00:41:26.560 --> 00:41:29.800 they have different weathers, but fairly similar altitude. 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:31.360 Will both be beneficial 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.040 or is there something else also to look at? 00:41:34.040 --> 00:41:35.080 - Dr. Peat. 00:41:35.080 --> 00:41:36.680 - What's what beneficial? 00:41:36.680 --> 00:41:37.520 - The altitude. 00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:40.520 So he was saying, was there any other mileage 00:41:40.520 --> 00:41:43.760 in external factors like weather 00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.200 over the actual altitude that has a beneficial effect? 00:41:48.200 --> 00:41:53.200 - Yeah, I think excess humidity is harmful 00:41:53.200 --> 00:41:55.640 because our osmotic balance 00:41:55.640 --> 00:41:59.680 is part of the process of tuning up. 00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:03.680 There's an interaction between oxidation reduction 00:42:03.680 --> 00:42:06.760 and pH and osmolarity 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:11.200 and all of the regulatory processes interact. 00:42:11.200 --> 00:42:14.600 And if you have very high humidity, 00:42:14.600 --> 00:42:18.440 it's a slight stress to the system. 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:22.280 So middle range humidity is good 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.120 and as much daylight as possible. 00:42:27.120 --> 00:42:32.760 15 hours of daylight seems to be optimal 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.600 for recovery from cancer. 00:42:35.600 --> 00:42:38.280 - So being in the Andes would be a good idea. 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.680 Not humid, closer to the equator and high elevation. 00:42:42.680 --> 00:42:43.960 - So my question to you, Dr. Peat, 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.600 then perhaps about humidity is somewhere like Hawaii, 00:42:46.600 --> 00:42:47.440 not a good idea. 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.640 I mean, I know it's a sea level for a start, but maybe. 00:42:50.640 --> 00:42:52.800 - A volcano in Hawaii would be good. 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.640 - Right. 00:42:53.640 --> 00:42:54.480 - There you go. 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.320 - Monokea. 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.280 - Top of Monokea. 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.440 All right, so humidity he said has a negative effect, 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.840 but outside that and daylight, 00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.800 the similar altitude will produce a similar benefit. 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.000 - Yeah, I think so. 00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.800 - Okay, so I think we have another caller on the air. 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.960 Hi, caller, you're on the air. 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.880 Where are you from and what's your question? 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.440 - Oh, this is Jordan, I'm from Redway. 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:24.400 And I wanted to ask Dr. Peat a two-part question. 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:29.400 Dr. Peat, earlier you said that when cancer cells go from, 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.320 they survive on glucose 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:35.880 and then when they've used all the glucose, 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.080 they go on to amino acids. 00:43:38.080 --> 00:43:42.320 I was wondering, are those the foods of choice 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.040 for the cancer cells or is it because they're so acidic 00:43:46.040 --> 00:43:48.680 or is it because they're readily available? 00:43:48.680 --> 00:43:50.600 And then the second part of the question is, 00:43:50.600 --> 00:43:54.000 I've heard you say before that amino acids 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:59.000 create a medium in the body that allows cancer to grow 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:03.940 and it's confused me because the amino acids are essential. 00:44:05.220 --> 00:44:08.160 So I just would like a little explanation on that. 00:44:08.160 --> 00:44:11.920 - It depends on what kind of amino acids. 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.960 The cysteine, tryptophan and methionine 00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.560 are the ones that most easily promote 00:44:19.560 --> 00:44:21.840 cancer growth and development. 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:26.840 But glutamine and several of the easily metabolized 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:34.380 amino acids are the ones that fuel 00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:38.720 the production of lactate even when glucose 00:44:38.720 --> 00:44:43.720 is not available or is currently being depleted. 00:44:43.720 --> 00:44:49.580 So the stress that lactic acid reinforces 00:44:49.580 --> 00:44:56.000 turns on cortisol production and other stress signals 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.360 that break down, shift the balance 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.360 away from protein synthesis to protein breakdown 00:45:04.700 --> 00:45:07.860 of providing amino acids. 00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:11.700 Also, fatty acids come into the bloodstream 00:45:11.700 --> 00:45:14.020 under the same stress conditions. 00:45:14.020 --> 00:45:18.020 And if those are polyunsaturated, 00:45:18.020 --> 00:45:24.060 that adds to the prostaglandin inflammation promotion. 00:45:24.060 --> 00:45:28.860 And the stress hormones, cortisol and the prostaglandins 00:45:30.240 --> 00:45:33.220 accelerate both the inflammation 00:45:33.220 --> 00:45:36.520 and the conversion of the tissues to food. 00:45:36.520 --> 00:45:42.220 There have been several types of experiments 00:45:42.220 --> 00:45:45.860 in which cancer growth can be slowed down 00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:49.340 by giving intravenous glucose. 00:45:49.340 --> 00:45:54.020 The Russian researcher who was, 00:45:54.020 --> 00:45:58.580 he began working on the Pasteur effect, 00:45:58.580 --> 00:46:03.420 probably was aware of Szent-Györgyi's thinking in the 1940s. 00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:09.900 Some of his research involved giving good doses of glucose 00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:15.220 either intravenously or orally. 00:46:15.220 --> 00:46:20.220 And with the use of intravenous glucose 00:46:20.220 --> 00:46:25.660 and higher provision of oxygen, 00:46:28.140 --> 00:46:32.620 the Ehrlich-Ascites carcinoma, 00:46:32.620 --> 00:46:37.620 he found could be reverted to normal metabolism. 00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:41.460 The classical example of a cell 00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:46.460 that is in the Warburg effect of making too much lactic acid, 00:46:46.460 --> 00:46:52.740 giving it as much sugar and oxygen as possible 00:46:52.740 --> 00:46:57.300 caused it to revert to normal metabolism. 00:46:58.140 --> 00:47:01.100 - Wow, well thank you doctor, that's brilliant. 00:47:01.100 --> 00:47:02.500 Thank you so much. 00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:03.340 - Well thank you for that. 00:47:03.340 --> 00:47:05.620 - And thank all the doctors, thank you. 00:47:05.620 --> 00:47:07.860 - Okay, so I think we have another caller on the air. 00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:08.940 So let's take this next caller. 00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:10.900 - Actually they just disappeared. 00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:12.460 So hopefully they will call back in a second. 00:47:12.460 --> 00:47:14.220 - Okay, the number here if you live in the area 00:47:14.220 --> 00:47:17.700 is 923-3911 or if you're outside the area 00:47:17.700 --> 00:47:20.460 it's an 800 number, 1-800-KMUD-RAD. 00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:23.260 - So Dr. Peat, we've talked about carbon dioxide, 00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:27.020 high elevation being quite an anti-cancer therapy. 00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:29.100 And we've also talked about some antioxidants 00:47:29.100 --> 00:47:31.020 from like cherries and blueberries, 00:47:31.020 --> 00:47:36.020 bilberries and the pau d'arco, cascara. 00:47:36.020 --> 00:47:39.860 What are some other things that you would say 00:47:39.860 --> 00:47:43.900 are pretty anti-cancer and help with this respiratory-- 00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:46.260 - If you think of-- - Process. 00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:50.780 - The process of stress between too much excitation 00:47:50.780 --> 00:47:53.140 and not enough energy. 00:47:53.140 --> 00:47:58.140 And just look at things that are known to reduce excitation. 00:47:58.140 --> 00:48:04.140 Anesthetics, some of the common anesthetics 00:48:04.140 --> 00:48:06.860 will turn off the excitation enough 00:48:06.860 --> 00:48:09.340 to slow down a cancer growth. 00:48:09.340 --> 00:48:12.500 - Have they done like injections of lidocaine or? 00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:16.780 - Yeah, lidocaine has been proven effective 00:48:16.780 --> 00:48:20.500 against several different cancers, 00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:24.140 leukemia and several solid tumors. 00:48:24.140 --> 00:48:28.180 I think liver, pancreas and breast, prostate. 00:48:28.180 --> 00:48:30.540 - Can I hold you there? 00:48:30.540 --> 00:48:31.580 We do have another caller 00:48:31.580 --> 00:48:33.260 who I think maybe that call is called back. 00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:35.460 So let's take this, oh, the lights are flashing. 00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:36.540 You're telling me there's no caller. 00:48:36.540 --> 00:48:37.580 - No, it's a new caller. 00:48:37.580 --> 00:48:39.860 - Oh, okay, it's a new caller, good. 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:41.260 Okay, caller, you're on the air. 00:48:41.260 --> 00:48:42.100 What's your question? 00:48:42.100 --> 00:48:42.940 Where are you from? 00:48:42.940 --> 00:48:44.300 - Hello? - Hi, you're on the air. 00:48:44.300 --> 00:48:46.580 - Hi, yeah, now do you advocate, 00:48:46.580 --> 00:48:49.340 let's say you have a lump that's just contained. 00:48:49.340 --> 00:48:50.740 It hasn't metastasized. 00:48:50.740 --> 00:48:54.660 Let's say it's a lump in your breast or somewhere else 00:48:54.660 --> 00:48:57.900 that it's easily gotten to. 00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:00.660 Would you advocate surgically removing that lump 00:49:00.660 --> 00:49:03.100 so that it won't continue to be a time bomb 00:49:03.100 --> 00:49:05.180 and keep growing? 00:49:05.180 --> 00:49:07.500 - Dr. Peat, I can't imagine you would, but Dr. Peat? 00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:13.460 - If it depends on the whole context. 00:49:13.460 --> 00:49:18.260 I've had lumps or things that doctors advised me 00:49:18.260 --> 00:49:23.260 to have biopsied, and I just changed what I was doing, 00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:26.140 and the problem went away. 00:49:26.140 --> 00:49:31.140 But if you aren't aware of anything that you can change, 00:49:31.140 --> 00:49:35.500 and if it, for example, if it's hard 00:49:35.500 --> 00:49:39.860 and stuck to surrounding tissues 00:49:39.860 --> 00:49:44.220 so that it seems definitely to be cancerous, 00:49:44.220 --> 00:49:48.620 then probably a lumpectomy is okay 00:49:48.620 --> 00:49:53.620 if you make sure that you're taking precautions 00:49:53.620 --> 00:50:00.500 against activating a cancer by the surgery itself. 00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:07.220 - Well, what kind of precautions can you take? 00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:11.700 - For example, surgeries done when a woman 00:50:11.700 --> 00:50:16.020 is in the low progesterone part of the month 00:50:16.020 --> 00:50:21.020 before opulation, that is much, several times more likely 00:50:21.020 --> 00:50:26.340 to metastasize than in the presence of high progesterone. 00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:31.660 And I think all of the things that are known 00:50:31.660 --> 00:50:36.080 to reduce excitation, reduce lactic acid production, 00:50:36.940 --> 00:50:41.940 and increase oxidative metabolism, 00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:44.820 I think if all of those are done, 00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:49.820 then a lumpectomy is relatively safe. 00:50:49.820 --> 00:50:51.220 - Okay, we do have another caller, 00:50:51.220 --> 00:50:53.820 so let's keep moving here and get this next caller in. 00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:56.020 I'll give them a chance to ask their question. 00:50:56.020 --> 00:50:56.860 Caller, where are you from? 00:50:56.860 --> 00:50:59.540 - Hi, I'm in Albion, California. 00:50:59.540 --> 00:51:01.060 My question is around thyroid. 00:51:01.060 --> 00:51:03.800 It seems that it needs to be at optimal function. 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:05.540 I recently went through about five years 00:51:05.540 --> 00:51:07.860 of really hard stress. 00:51:07.860 --> 00:51:09.180 I'm having fatigue. 00:51:09.180 --> 00:51:11.740 I have my thyroid levels drawn, 00:51:11.740 --> 00:51:16.740 which what they draw is TSH and free T4, 00:51:16.740 --> 00:51:20.500 which come back normal, but on the low end. 00:51:20.500 --> 00:51:22.940 And I'm wondering if there's another test 00:51:22.940 --> 00:51:27.020 I could ask for, because I know if I increase 00:51:27.020 --> 00:51:32.020 the thyroid medication dose, it will change my life. 00:51:32.660 --> 00:51:36.220 But I'm wondering if we're looking at the right labs. 00:51:36.220 --> 00:51:38.260 - Okay, and there is one more caller after this, Dr. Peat. 00:51:38.260 --> 00:51:39.100 So be prepared for one. 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:40.100 - I'm gonna hang up, thank you. 00:51:40.100 --> 00:51:41.140 - Okay, thank you. 00:51:41.140 --> 00:51:44.380 - I was gonna say, ma'am, if you take your temperatures 00:51:44.380 --> 00:51:47.140 and pulses at specific times of the day 00:51:47.140 --> 00:51:49.260 and specific reference to eating, 00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:51.860 that's a much more accurate gauge for yourself 00:51:51.860 --> 00:51:54.100 to assess your thyroid function. 00:51:54.100 --> 00:51:57.980 And if you contact us, we can send you a form for free. 00:51:57.980 --> 00:52:00.500 So a form that you can fill out your temperatures 00:52:00.500 --> 00:52:01.700 and your pulses at different times of day. 00:52:01.700 --> 00:52:02.700 - Let me just, let me ask you-- 00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:05.060 - And Dr. Peat, do you wanna mention something? 00:52:05.060 --> 00:52:07.100 - Go ahead, we've only got five minutes. 00:52:07.100 --> 00:52:12.100 - Yeah, the T3 is the essential active thyroid hormone. 00:52:12.100 --> 00:52:18.220 And under stress, T4 is converted to reverse T3, 00:52:18.220 --> 00:52:20.700 which interferes. 00:52:20.700 --> 00:52:24.220 So you can't at all interpret thyroid function 00:52:24.220 --> 00:52:26.820 with just T4 and TSH. 00:52:26.820 --> 00:52:31.500 And even T3 by itself, you have to consider 00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:35.900 how much stress is causing it to be converted 00:52:35.900 --> 00:52:39.460 to the inactive and blocking form. 00:52:39.460 --> 00:52:44.180 And so you want a good ratio of active T3 to reverse T3. 00:52:44.180 --> 00:52:47.420 And if you measure your cortisol, 00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:52.420 you can see usually what is causing it to be inactive. 00:52:52.420 --> 00:53:00.420 Sugar glucose is needed to convert T4 to the active T3. 00:53:00.540 --> 00:53:04.940 To the active T3 form and to hold down the cortisol, 00:53:04.940 --> 00:53:07.300 which would inactivate the T3, 00:53:07.300 --> 00:53:09.820 convert T4 to reverse T3. 00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:13.180 So sugar is protective. 00:53:13.180 --> 00:53:18.180 Keeping, avoiding hypoxic conditions or inflammation 00:53:18.180 --> 00:53:22.820 that wastes oxygen locally. 00:53:22.820 --> 00:53:26.620 Any area that's deficient in oxygen 00:53:26.620 --> 00:53:31.620 or has an excess of lactic acid can locally destroy 00:53:31.620 --> 00:53:33.580 active T3. 00:53:33.580 --> 00:53:35.780 - I think I have to hold you there, Dr. Peat. 00:53:35.780 --> 00:53:37.860 I don't wanna be rude, but we've got a couple of minutes 00:53:37.860 --> 00:53:39.740 just to close out some information here 00:53:39.740 --> 00:53:41.820 before we sign off at eight o'clock. 00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:43.260 So thank you so much for your time. 00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:45.780 - And is there any one last thing you wanna say, Dr. Peat? 00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:46.620 - Nope. 00:53:46.620 --> 00:53:48.300 - Okay, thank you so much, Dr. Peat. 00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:51.740 And I wanna make sure I announce before we wrap up here 00:53:51.740 --> 00:53:55.540 that the Broadway cinema is showing Vax 00:53:55.540 --> 00:53:57.660 or we're trying to get it to show Vax. 00:53:57.660 --> 00:54:00.700 There's two showings that are potentially possible 00:54:00.700 --> 00:54:02.340 if people go online. 00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:03.620 - And what's Vax about? 00:54:03.620 --> 00:54:06.140 - Well, I'm gonna tell you that in a minute. 00:54:06.140 --> 00:54:08.500 Well, actually I'm trying to hurry up here. 00:54:08.500 --> 00:54:13.500 So Vax is about a story of vaccination in families. 00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:16.180 There's a Facebook page. 00:54:16.180 --> 00:54:17.740 - Vaccine damage. 00:54:17.740 --> 00:54:18.580 - Yes, definitely. 00:54:18.580 --> 00:54:20.860 - Very much supporting that positive correlation 00:54:20.860 --> 00:54:22.860 between vaccines and damage. 00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:26.500 And it's from a cover up to catastrophe. 00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:29.340 It's an investigation and tell the CDC 00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:30.740 has covered up some information. 00:54:30.740 --> 00:54:32.020 There's a whistleblower. 00:54:32.020 --> 00:54:33.860 It's supposed to be a very interesting film. 00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:36.380 I'm hoping to see it when it comes to Broadway cinema 00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:37.940 and Eureka if it does. 00:54:37.940 --> 00:54:40.740 And you can visit the Facebook page. 00:54:40.740 --> 00:54:43.260 It's called Bring Vax to Humboldt. 00:54:43.260 --> 00:54:45.020 And you can go on to gather, 00:54:45.020 --> 00:54:50.860 which is gathr.us/screening/16238. 00:54:50.980 --> 00:54:52.940 16238. 00:54:52.940 --> 00:54:54.660 Probably easier just to go to the Facebook page 00:54:54.660 --> 00:54:56.780 and then you can get information from there. 00:54:56.780 --> 00:54:59.660 So the two showings are August 10th at 7 p.m. 00:54:59.660 --> 00:55:01.660 and August 15th at 7 p.m. 00:55:01.660 --> 00:55:03.300 Try to sign up for the August 10th first 00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:05.500 so that we can actually get the film here. 00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:08.140 Otherwise, August 15th will be the second showing. 00:55:08.140 --> 00:55:09.540 - Thank you for all the callers that called in. 00:55:09.540 --> 00:55:11.420 We did have some more that we couldn't get on 00:55:11.420 --> 00:55:13.500 and thanks so much for being there. 00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.260 I just wanna let you know that next month 00:55:15.260 --> 00:55:16.380 we won't be doing the show, 00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:18.540 but we'll be back again in September. 00:55:18.540 --> 00:55:21.060 And it's my intention to carry this topic on 00:55:21.060 --> 00:55:22.140 through to next September 00:55:22.140 --> 00:55:25.780 because we hardly had any chance to ask questions 00:55:25.780 --> 00:55:27.820 that I wanted to get Dr. Peat to answer. 00:55:27.820 --> 00:55:31.700 So thank you so much, Dr. Peat, for joining on the show. 00:55:31.700 --> 00:55:34.020 Until the third Friday of September, 00:55:34.020 --> 00:55:35.100 my name's Andrew Murray. 00:55:35.100 --> 00:55:36.740 - My name's Sarah Johannison Murray 00:55:36.740 --> 00:55:41.100 and we can be reached on 1-888-926-4372. 00:55:41.100 --> 00:55:44.700 That's 1-888-WBM-ERB. 00:55:44.700 --> 00:55:45.540 - Good night. 00:55:45.540 --> 00:55:46.380 - Good night.