WEBVTT 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:04.400 Well, welcome to tonight's Ask Your Herb Doctor. My name is Andrew Murray. 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:06.200 And my name is Sarah Johannison Murray. 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:11.700 For those of you who perhaps never listened to the shows, they run every third Friday of the month from 7 to 8 p.m. 00:00:11.700 --> 00:00:16.800 We're both licensed medical herbalists who graduated in England with a master's degree in herbal medicine. 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:22.900 We provide a wide range of medicinal herb extracts from our own CCOF certified herb farm. 00:00:22.900 --> 00:00:28.900 And we consult with clients all over the States on wide ranging subjects, 00:00:28.900 --> 00:00:31.500 many of which we've discussed on the show even. 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:36.700 So, once again, very pleased to have Dr. Ray Peat with us to share his wisdom. 00:00:36.700 --> 00:00:40.300 I've just got his latest newsletter. 00:00:40.300 --> 00:00:44.900 He does produce pretty prodigious amounts of written work. 00:00:44.900 --> 00:00:47.400 And I know some people sign up for his newsletters. 00:00:47.400 --> 00:00:54.700 And I know there's been a bit of a shortage with his newsletters in terms of reaching the production that's necessary to fill people's desires. 00:00:54.700 --> 00:00:58.900 So, that's good news and bad news in some ways. 00:00:58.900 --> 00:01:01.200 So, Dr. Peat, you on the line with us? 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:01.600 Yes. 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:03.900 Okay, great. 00:01:03.900 --> 00:01:08.900 What I think I want to do is just let people know that the show does run 8 to 8 o'clock. 00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:11.200 It's a live program. 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:16.700 And I just want to let people know that normally we open the lines from 7.30 to 8 o'clock. 00:01:16.700 --> 00:01:21.700 But just like to bring that point open now where if people want to call in, 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:29.900 because I've got some questions here from previous shows that people haven't been able to get on air to ask the questions. 00:01:29.900 --> 00:01:31.600 And they've written them to me, emailed them to me. 00:01:31.600 --> 00:01:33.000 So, I've compiled several of them. 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:40.200 And there are others I know that are out there that perhaps if they listen to the show now, they might want to call in any time. 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:44.700 So, the number if you want to call in, if you live in the area, there's a 707 number. 00:01:44.700 --> 00:01:49.400 That's our area code, 707-923-3911. 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:55.400 And for those people, and it was written to by a gentleman in Australia earlier on today, 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:59.900 said he's had trouble getting through to the internet line. 00:01:59.900 --> 00:02:01.500 But there is an 800 number. 00:02:01.500 --> 00:02:05.400 It's 1-800-568-3723. 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:10.300 Although international callers would want to use the 707-923-3911 number. 00:02:10.300 --> 00:02:10.800 That's correct. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:15.500 Or if I'm not too sure what people do with internet-based calls to the show. 00:02:15.500 --> 00:02:17.400 I'm not too sure if that's – does that happen? 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:19.700 People call in on Skype numbers? 00:02:19.700 --> 00:02:20.200 No. 00:02:20.200 --> 00:02:20.700 Okay. 00:02:20.700 --> 00:02:21.200 All right. 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:21.700 Okay. 00:02:21.700 --> 00:02:29.700 So, there's the 800 number, 800-568-3723 or a local number, 707-923-3911. 00:02:29.700 --> 00:02:30.200 Okay. 00:02:30.200 --> 00:02:39.100 So, for tonight's show, we're going to open up parts of previous shows based on inflammation. 00:02:39.100 --> 00:02:46.700 And Dr. Peat's current work looking at autoimmunity, linking that to estrogen, linking that to 00:02:46.700 --> 00:02:53.200 inflammation and how the whole concept of cell energy is something that he's constantly 00:02:53.200 --> 00:02:57.800 advocating with thyroid hormone as one of the pillars. 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:03.600 Not forgetting things like progesterone, pregnenolone, vitamin D. Obviously, there's plenty of other 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:08.500 supplements and nutraceuticals that we're going to be mentioning as we go on. 00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:14.700 But Dr. Peat, would you, just in case people that tune in, we do get them fairly consistently. 00:03:14.700 --> 00:03:19.100 They've heard the show for the first time or they heard the podcast for the first time. 00:03:19.100 --> 00:03:21.400 They've heard of you for the first time. 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.900 And I was speaking or rather was written to by a lady who'd first discovered your works 00:03:26.900 --> 00:03:30.100 in 1990 and has been following your advice ever since. 00:03:30.100 --> 00:03:32.100 So, there's a wide spectrum of people. 00:03:32.100 --> 00:03:36.300 Would you just outline your background, your professional and academic background? 00:03:36.300 --> 00:03:45.300 I'm a PhD study at the University of Oregon, 1968 to '72. 00:03:45.300 --> 00:03:53.900 Before that, I had been a graduate student and teacher in linguistics, philosophy, psychology, 00:03:53.900 --> 00:04:00.100 English lit, among other things. 00:04:00.100 --> 00:04:06.700 I see that one of your questions from last month, I think, was about the trophoblast 00:04:06.700 --> 00:04:07.700 theory of cancer. 00:04:07.700 --> 00:04:08.700 Right. 00:04:08.700 --> 00:04:20.200 And just when I was starting in my biology study in 1968, I had known a famous old cancer 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:32.300 genetics researcher, Leonel Strong, and he was studying the curability of cancer, mammary 00:04:32.300 --> 00:04:40.600 cancer in the strains of mice that he developed by different types of liver extract. 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:47.100 And in thinking about that, I realized that there might be an overlap with the work he 00:04:47.100 --> 00:04:57.240 was doing with the old John Beard trophoblast theory of cancer, which was behind the lay 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:00.400 trial treatment that we were in. 00:05:00.400 --> 00:05:01.400 From almond seeds. 00:05:01.400 --> 00:05:02.400 Okay. 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:18.000 The lay trial activates a process that its proponents thought just as a poison for the 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.460 cancer cells. 00:05:19.460 --> 00:05:27.900 But since it involved activation by the enzyme beta glucuronidase, which happens to be an 00:05:27.900 --> 00:05:38.740 enzyme that activates estrogen, I saw a link with Leonel Strong's work in which the cancer 00:05:38.740 --> 00:05:46.060 prone animals inherited from their mothers, the prenatal gestational conditions, they 00:05:46.060 --> 00:05:51.580 inherited a tendency to have high estrogen. 00:05:51.580 --> 00:05:58.380 And he used a liver extract, the animals that he treated with the liver extract not only 00:05:58.380 --> 00:06:04.740 didn't get cancer themselves, but their offspring for several generations didn't get cancer. 00:06:04.740 --> 00:06:10.300 And was that because of the vitamin B6 in the liver helping their bodies? 00:06:10.300 --> 00:06:25.140 He believed it was one of the nucleotide fractions that has analogs in the mainline cancer chemotherapy, 00:06:25.140 --> 00:06:30.940 but he believed it was stabilizing the DNA. 00:06:30.940 --> 00:06:42.260 And my impression was that there were anti-estrogenic substances in the liver and some of them were 00:06:42.260 --> 00:06:47.580 also the nucleotides that Leonel Strong was talking about. 00:06:47.580 --> 00:06:58.860 But anyway, the trophoblast theory, even though I think it's wrong in its details, it's extremely 00:06:58.860 --> 00:07:04.580 rich in its overlap of the actual facts of how cancer develops. 00:07:04.580 --> 00:07:14.620 So the estrogen factor that Leonel Strong was working on and the role of enzymes such 00:07:14.620 --> 00:07:22.900 as beta glucuronidase, the late trial theory was based on, overlap with the trophoblast 00:07:22.900 --> 00:07:23.900 theory. 00:07:23.900 --> 00:07:38.100 And the main treatment that people used going by the beard trophoblast theory, the pancreatic 00:07:38.100 --> 00:07:44.420 enzyme or extract to the pancreas were a main part of that therapy. 00:07:44.420 --> 00:07:49.940 Okay, so I have a couple of questions I want to ask you about what you've just said as 00:07:49.940 --> 00:07:50.940 your statements. 00:07:50.940 --> 00:07:57.380 You mentioned now the product later or that some people listening might recognize as the 00:07:57.380 --> 00:07:59.780 seed kernel extract from almonds? 00:07:59.780 --> 00:08:00.780 Apricots. 00:08:00.780 --> 00:08:02.340 Apricots, sorry. 00:08:02.340 --> 00:08:03.340 Apricots. 00:08:03.340 --> 00:08:10.780 Okay, so wasn't the rationale for that that it would break down the sugar linkage and 00:08:10.780 --> 00:08:15.620 release cyanide and that's how it was kind of a… 00:08:15.620 --> 00:08:21.860 That was the Krebs idea that it was poisoning. 00:08:21.860 --> 00:08:28.700 His theory was very nice except there was a theory for the late trial that he defined 00:08:28.700 --> 00:08:38.020 as the glucuronide, the molecule that he published had the glucuronic acid on it which would 00:08:38.020 --> 00:08:49.300 be specifically released by cancer cells or by any inflamed cell but would be poisonous 00:08:49.300 --> 00:08:55.260 only to cancer cells because they lack the ability to detoxify cyanide. 00:08:55.260 --> 00:08:56.820 Right, right. 00:08:56.820 --> 00:09:04.300 Now isn't beta glucuronidase an enzyme that breaks down the beta linkages, sugar linkages? 00:09:04.300 --> 00:09:15.540 Yeah, and the glucuronic acid happens to be how toxic substances are detoxified for excretion 00:09:15.540 --> 00:09:18.940 by the liver through the kidneys. 00:09:18.940 --> 00:09:24.820 Estrogen glucuronide is the excreted, one of the main excreted forms. 00:09:24.820 --> 00:09:29.660 It can be sulfate or glucuronide mainly. 00:09:29.660 --> 00:09:35.300 I have a great liver mushroom pate recipe if people want to make that for the holidays 00:09:35.300 --> 00:09:39.940 and the mushrooms have anti-estrogen compounds in them too if you boil them down really well 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:42.420 before you cook the liver with it. 00:09:42.420 --> 00:09:44.180 Yeah, we mentioned the… 00:09:44.180 --> 00:09:48.060 You've mentioned in the past here the button mushroom extract which has been used as an 00:09:48.060 --> 00:09:50.380 aromatase inhibitor. 00:09:50.380 --> 00:09:52.180 So that's another interesting point. 00:09:52.180 --> 00:09:58.860 I wanted to get in later on tying these things together because there are lots of different 00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:05.500 herbs that have compounds in them that show anti-aromatase activity and that's very interesting 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:08.540 in the concept of treating cancers. 00:10:08.540 --> 00:10:14.980 There are plenty of literature out there from Native American cultures to cultures from 00:10:14.980 --> 00:10:23.100 other countries that use different herbs for carcinomas in situ, for skin cancers, for 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:30.060 solid cancers, abdominal, etc., organ-based cancers and it seems like quite a few of the 00:10:30.060 --> 00:10:36.860 instances there is an aromatase inhibiting activity within that herb and that's probably 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:44.060 would best explain by your understanding and what you've written and that would be a estrogen 00:10:44.060 --> 00:10:46.460 suppressing effect. 00:10:46.460 --> 00:10:49.940 I guess we will get into that a little bit later on but I just want to run these questions 00:10:49.940 --> 00:10:53.700 by you from people who have tried to call in previous shows. 00:10:53.700 --> 00:11:00.980 And the number again if you live in the area 707-923-3911 or there's an 800 number, it's 00:11:00.980 --> 00:11:01.980 800-568-3723. 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:04.860 Dr. Ray Peat's joining us once more. 00:11:04.860 --> 00:11:10.700 And if you want to email me for the liver pate recipe, it's Sarah, S-A-R-A-H @westernbotanicalmedicine.com. 00:11:10.700 --> 00:11:20.780 All right, so I had a couple of questions based on sugars and one of them was does dextrinization 00:11:20.780 --> 00:11:25.860 and protein coagulation change complex carbs into simple sugars? 00:11:25.860 --> 00:11:30.700 Do you know much about this dextrinization? 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:40.660 Yeah, it is a process that has been used for about 200 years. 00:11:40.660 --> 00:11:51.660 The first form of it was basically what they used to make carob syrup, corn syrup, boiling 00:11:51.660 --> 00:12:05.380 corn starch with sulfuric acid and it makes a pale, almost clear syrup but the longer 00:12:05.380 --> 00:12:13.180 you cook it and the harsher the acidic or basic conditions are, the browner it gets. 00:12:13.180 --> 00:12:25.260 And the, when you talk about a browning reaction, molasses, they know that the brown stuff in 00:12:25.260 --> 00:12:28.820 molasses is mutagenic and carcinogenic. 00:12:28.820 --> 00:12:33.740 Just like any charred carbohydrate is, right, or charred starch or sugar. 00:12:33.740 --> 00:12:44.420 Yeah, and generally when you sort out the corn starch from the germ, you're still getting 00:12:44.420 --> 00:12:52.540 enzymes and there are amino groups spread throughout the starch part of the grain and 00:12:52.540 --> 00:13:01.260 those amino groups participate in the classical browning reaction that makes these mutagenic 00:13:01.260 --> 00:13:05.180 carcinogens which have a brown color. 00:13:05.180 --> 00:13:19.260 So the dextrinization produces some dextrose, some simple sugars, but that's a matter of 00:13:19.260 --> 00:13:27.700 how sweet and liquid it is or how viscous and gummy it is, depending on how far you 00:13:27.700 --> 00:13:30.660 carry the breakdown reaction. 00:13:30.660 --> 00:13:42.780 So on average, dextrins are considered to have mainly groups of glucose molecules that 00:13:42.780 --> 00:13:52.020 are around 10 molecules long, 5 to 10 or 15. 00:13:52.020 --> 00:13:58.260 Alright, so this is a process and it could change complex carbs into relatively simple 00:13:58.260 --> 00:14:03.060 sugars but not so simple because the simple sugars, obviously, things like glucose, fructose, 00:14:03.060 --> 00:14:07.100 sucrose, etc., just single units, subunits or two. 00:14:07.100 --> 00:14:14.900 Yeah, the gumminess of it corresponds to the amount of starch left in it, broken up starch 00:14:14.900 --> 00:14:22.780 makes, turns the solid starch into a semi-liquid gummy material. 00:14:22.780 --> 00:14:30.460 So like cane juice, if anyone has ever had cane sugar juice, fresh juice, it's very thin, 00:14:30.460 --> 00:14:32.620 very, very thin. 00:14:32.620 --> 00:14:36.980 There's like basically zero starch in that, right? 00:14:36.980 --> 00:14:38.620 The refined cane sugar? 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:41.260 Oh no, just if you have like fresh cane juice. 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:46.260 Or you just, they juice the sugar cane and they give you a little... 00:14:46.260 --> 00:14:48.100 Yeah, the sugar... 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:49.580 It's very thin. 00:14:49.580 --> 00:14:53.540 It contains sucrose itself so you don't need to process that. 00:14:53.540 --> 00:14:57.300 Right, but I'm just saying that's why cane juice is so thin whereas corn syrup is so 00:14:57.300 --> 00:14:59.340 thick because it still has a starch in it. 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:00.340 Yeah. 00:15:00.340 --> 00:15:05.580 Alright, and just to recap there, anything really to do with temperature and starches 00:15:05.580 --> 00:15:12.540 involving caramelization is, it can definitely be termed as carcinogenic in terms of the 00:15:12.540 --> 00:15:15.180 makeup of the caramelized products. 00:15:15.180 --> 00:15:25.220 Yeah, at least as far as the combination with amino groups and amino acids and proteins, 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:28.700 those are the best known mutagens. 00:15:28.700 --> 00:15:29.700 But... 00:15:29.700 --> 00:15:31.700 The burnt toast. 00:15:31.700 --> 00:15:41.060 Yeah, acrylamide turns up in every time you heat a natural carbohydrate that contains 00:15:41.060 --> 00:15:44.380 traces of amino acids or proteins. 00:15:44.380 --> 00:15:54.460 And in the absence of the amino acids instead of acrylamide, you probably get small amounts 00:15:54.460 --> 00:16:00.900 of acrolein which is another very toxic carcinogenic material. 00:16:00.900 --> 00:16:08.140 And what about protein like meat and eggs, when they brown, is that also carcinogenic? 00:16:08.140 --> 00:16:14.980 There are traces of sugar in those and so you do get some of the same compound. 00:16:14.980 --> 00:16:25.500 Alright, well another question was, do amylase or amylopsin help change complex carbs into 00:16:25.500 --> 00:16:26.500 sugars? 00:16:26.500 --> 00:16:28.900 I know amylase but I'm not too familiar with amylopsin. 00:16:28.900 --> 00:16:31.100 Yeah, that's just a pancreatic amylase. 00:16:31.100 --> 00:16:32.100 Got it, okay. 00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:35.340 Alright, so this is amylase would be like a salivary amylase. 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:36.340 Yeah. 00:16:36.340 --> 00:16:39.980 Okay, alright, so that was those two questions. 00:16:39.980 --> 00:16:49.420 I had some other questions from another person based on diet and, you know, recommendations 00:16:49.420 --> 00:16:50.420 for diet. 00:16:50.420 --> 00:16:53.140 They've been a long time listener. 00:16:53.140 --> 00:17:01.380 They were also quite aware of your favorites in terms of foods from basic orange juice 00:17:01.380 --> 00:17:10.140 to your constant advocation of carrots, grated carrots and coffee for B vitamins. 00:17:10.140 --> 00:17:14.260 In terms of general nutrition, I just wanted to recap for those people that maybe haven't 00:17:14.260 --> 00:17:21.800 listened too much before but in terms of calories for a female, what would you rate as being 00:17:21.800 --> 00:17:29.060 generally acceptable calories for relatively sedentary type work just so we can understand 00:17:29.060 --> 00:17:33.380 those people that perhaps they look at their food caloric intake, they'll probably recognize 00:17:33.380 --> 00:17:39.660 they're getting far too many calories and what is actually realistic to burn in somebody's 00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:42.620 healthy metabolism versus the calories they're getting from food. 00:17:42.620 --> 00:17:46.420 So what do you think is a caloric intake for a female? 00:17:46.420 --> 00:17:51.180 I would 2,000 is a ballpark. 00:17:51.180 --> 00:17:59.340 You can be very sedentary and still burn close to 3,000 and some people can be moderately 00:17:59.340 --> 00:18:08.180 active and get along on 1,700 and lots of people now are hypothyroid enough that they 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:20.900 can move around with just ordinary daily activity and still gain weight on 700 or 800 calories. 00:18:20.900 --> 00:18:24.540 So you really have to look at your metabolic rate. 00:18:24.540 --> 00:18:28.540 And also if you're pregnant or breastfeeding, I know when I was full-time breastfeeding, 00:18:28.540 --> 00:18:31.500 I think I probably ate 3,000 a day. 00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:32.500 And didn't gain weight. 00:18:32.500 --> 00:18:34.180 No, and maintained weight. 00:18:34.180 --> 00:18:42.100 Okay, how about proteins in terms of someone's intake for a female for example? 00:18:42.100 --> 00:18:53.620 The military did a big study on people mostly of military age in their 20s, both men and 00:18:53.620 --> 00:19:02.340 women of all the different sizes that are in the military and found that to do just 00:19:02.340 --> 00:19:09.460 ordinary work, office work or whatever, both men and women needed at least 100 grams of 00:19:09.460 --> 00:19:12.060 good protein every day. 00:19:12.060 --> 00:19:20.820 But you see lots of people getting by on 25 or 30 grams and I've known people always with 00:19:20.820 --> 00:19:26.500 pretty serious symptoms who were getting only 20 or even less grams per day. 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:27.500 Right. 00:19:27.500 --> 00:19:34.860 Now do you expect things like tissue repair to be poor, muscle mass obviously not to be 00:19:34.860 --> 00:19:41.820 in evidence and difficulty maintaining skin, nails, hair, that kind of thing with low protein 00:19:41.820 --> 00:19:42.820 intake. 00:19:42.820 --> 00:19:43.820 Yeah. 00:19:43.820 --> 00:19:47.100 And it's hard if you're a meat eater, you could say, "Oh, it's easy," but then you don't 00:19:47.100 --> 00:19:48.380 want to eat that much meat. 00:19:48.380 --> 00:19:49.980 You don't want to be eating meat three times a day. 00:19:49.980 --> 00:19:50.980 It's too much meat intake. 00:19:50.980 --> 00:19:55.380 So then you really have to rely on eggs, which you can't eat any more than two eggs a day 00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:58.900 because they contain some PUFA. 00:19:58.900 --> 00:20:01.340 And so then you're left with dairy. 00:20:01.340 --> 00:20:07.020 So really I think dairy is the primary source of protein that's healthy for people to be 00:20:07.020 --> 00:20:08.020 getting. 00:20:08.020 --> 00:20:09.020 Yeah. 00:20:09.020 --> 00:20:12.620 Well, I know you advocate gelatin a lot in terms of protein content and... 00:20:12.620 --> 00:20:17.660 Yeah, but that's not going to make up to 100 grams of protein when one eight ounce glass 00:20:17.660 --> 00:20:19.940 of milk has eight grams. 00:20:19.940 --> 00:20:21.060 Okay. 00:20:21.060 --> 00:20:25.820 And then what do you recommend for sugars? 00:20:25.820 --> 00:20:33.900 It really depends on your digestion, your intestinal health. 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:43.820 When I was in Mexico, I saw a lot of nutritionists trying to justify a bean and rice-based diet 00:20:43.820 --> 00:20:50.900 and there are lots of reasons that you can't get along very well. 00:20:50.900 --> 00:20:58.700 Even though the amino acids seem to be equivalent to protein, it turns out that potatoes are 00:20:58.700 --> 00:21:04.220 infinitely better than beans as a source of protein. 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:10.420 But that requires, either of those require that your intestine be in fairly good health 00:21:10.420 --> 00:21:19.140 because the complex carbohydrates of either of those can support bacterial growth if you 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:20.700 have a sluggish digestion. 00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:24.300 Hang on, are we talking about juicing potatoes and cooking it? 00:21:24.300 --> 00:21:25.300 No, just... 00:21:25.300 --> 00:21:28.620 Yeah, if people were going to eat potatoes as a source of protein, they better have a 00:21:28.620 --> 00:21:30.460 pretty strong intestinal wall. 00:21:30.460 --> 00:21:31.460 Right. 00:21:31.460 --> 00:21:33.220 Otherwise, all that starch will irritate them. 00:21:33.220 --> 00:21:37.260 Yeah, because I know you advocate potato juice and use that in a double boiler to make a 00:21:37.260 --> 00:21:40.300 kind of scramble that's actually starch-free, isn't it? 00:21:40.300 --> 00:21:46.180 Yeah, that's for people who have a digestive problem but still need a very high quality 00:21:46.180 --> 00:21:47.180 protein. 00:21:47.180 --> 00:21:48.180 Yeah. 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:55.340 Okay, so just to recap in terms of the amount of grams of sugar for somebody in a day to 00:21:55.340 --> 00:21:56.340 be... 00:21:56.340 --> 00:21:57.340 If you... 00:21:57.340 --> 00:22:05.860 The studies that I've written about in the late 1800s, they found that diabetics were 00:22:05.860 --> 00:22:12.940 putting out about 12 ounces of sugar in extreme terminal diabetes. 00:22:12.940 --> 00:22:18.900 They had about 12 ounces of sugar in their urine every day as glucose. 00:22:18.900 --> 00:22:27.740 And so they reasoned that they would die less quickly if they replaced that amount of sugar 00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:29.780 that they were losing. 00:22:29.780 --> 00:22:37.860 And so they gave them a regular diet plus 10 or 12 ounces of plain white sugar and found 00:22:37.860 --> 00:22:42.780 that instead of dying more slowly, they got well. 00:22:42.780 --> 00:22:50.060 So it depends on what stress your system is under. 00:22:50.060 --> 00:22:55.620 Huge amounts of sugar like that can be curative if you're under stress and need something 00:22:55.620 --> 00:22:59.380 to compensate for the stress. 00:22:59.380 --> 00:23:06.940 But if your digestive system is very healthy, you can get along just with starch instead 00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:08.860 of sugar. 00:23:08.860 --> 00:23:16.900 You still need a few hundred grams of carbohydrate, either a starch or sugar every day. 00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:25.740 So like we had a client who had broken his knee and ankle and had very extensive surgery 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:31.580 and he was needing, I think, up to 400, I think a pound of sugar a day in various forms, 00:23:31.580 --> 00:23:37.340 you know, marshmallows and homemade marshmallows, sugar in the milk in order to sleep, to lower 00:23:37.340 --> 00:23:41.980 the amount of stresses he was recovering when he got out of the hospital. 00:23:41.980 --> 00:23:43.580 That was what he needed to sleep. 00:23:43.580 --> 00:23:46.220 And of course, he weaned himself off of that when he got better. 00:23:46.220 --> 00:23:50.460 But initially, that was very curative for his sleep and his healing. 00:23:50.460 --> 00:23:59.420 I've seen similar things in people with cancer or just extreme old age insomnia when they 00:23:59.420 --> 00:24:08.620 drink a little syrup like concentrate of sugar in milk or eat a bowl of ice cream during 00:24:08.620 --> 00:24:11.820 the middle of the night, they could get back to sleep. 00:24:11.820 --> 00:24:16.860 Yeah, he went from not sleeping at all, like waking every hour and just completely restless 00:24:16.860 --> 00:24:22.260 and in pain, just sleeping all through the night, just from increasing his sugar. 00:24:22.260 --> 00:24:30.820 Okay, so in terms of a daily diet, and I do get this question pretty often in terms of 00:24:30.820 --> 00:24:37.780 it's new to people and so they think initially the diet is pretty restrictive. 00:24:37.780 --> 00:24:46.580 We've kind of produced a three-page or thereabouts breakdown of foods that we know from you and 00:24:46.580 --> 00:24:53.580 what you've researched that is healthy, thyroid supportive, anti-inflammatory foods and those 00:24:53.580 --> 00:24:58.660 kind of foods that are definitely to be avoided, obviously, the polyunsaturates which really 00:24:58.660 --> 00:25:04.100 kicked off this entire thing with you, with us seven years ago. 00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:09.860 In terms of, I even ask you personally, what kind of foods that you would, you typically 00:25:09.860 --> 00:25:15.660 eat just to throw that out there and then we'll break down some of the foods here that 00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:19.580 may be not obvious that people probably don't eat too much of that, they don't know they 00:25:19.580 --> 00:25:27.580 can because it probably sounds like it's too either fattening or sugary or too problematic 00:25:27.580 --> 00:25:28.580 from another perspective. 00:25:28.580 --> 00:25:34.500 But what kind of foods do you typically gravitate towards that keep you going? 00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:45.780 Two or three quarts of milk up to a gallon of milk per day, usually 1%, and usually one 00:25:45.780 --> 00:26:00.140 big egg fried in butter typically, and orange juice as much as is available if it's good. 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:11.980 At least a pint, preferably more good sweet orange juice, and typically about once a week 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:24.740 some oysters or some liver, almost every day some kind of gelatinous soup, tail soup or 00:26:24.740 --> 00:26:30.460 sometimes chicken soup with all the fat skimmed off. 00:26:30.460 --> 00:26:33.460 Okay, well that's kind of key ingredients. 00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:39.000 So Sarah, I mean because the person asked, they said they were very aware from listening 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:44.020 to you and having, they came across you in the early 90s they said and they've been paying 00:26:44.020 --> 00:26:49.700 attention to you ever since in terms of your books and newsletters, but what they were 00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:54.260 asking for which was kind of, in some ways it was a little strange because they thought 00:26:54.260 --> 00:26:57.420 by now they would have recognized all the kind of foods that you do gravitate towards, 00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:02.180 but we've produced a pretty extensive list of those foods that are thyroid suppressive 00:27:02.180 --> 00:27:08.020 that people don't always recognize whether it's beans, nuts, seeds, you know, and that 00:27:08.020 --> 00:27:14.940 kind of typical polyunsaturated rich foods that would have a thyroid suppressing effect. 00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:21.380 But I know Sarah's a very good cook and you do make some excellent food and so I'm very 00:27:21.380 --> 00:27:25.900 lucky to have that, so I don't ever find there's any shortage of variation. 00:27:25.900 --> 00:27:29.580 I mean every now and again obviously we eat lots of different cheeses, we drink a lot 00:27:29.580 --> 00:27:31.420 of milk and orange juice. 00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:36.260 We eat milk powder pancakes every morning that I make ahead of time so I don't have 00:27:36.260 --> 00:27:40.460 to make them every day and that's a pretty easy recipe if you can find some good organic 00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:43.380 nonfat milk powder. 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.580 How often do you eat the milk powder pancakes, Dr. Peat? 00:27:47.580 --> 00:27:54.900 Every day when we have the powder supply, then we run out of it and don't eat them for 00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:56.980 a few months. 00:27:56.980 --> 00:28:01.380 Now I know what to get you for Christmas, Dr. Peat. 00:28:01.380 --> 00:28:03.660 So yeah, we usually have one meal. 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:09.420 I try to tell my clients that if you split your meals up into proteins, you're going 00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:14.540 to have your liver or your oysters or your meat or your broth because it doesn't have 00:28:14.540 --> 00:28:19.140 to be heavy on the protein side, then you want to have that with one meal. 00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:23.700 You want to have your dairy, like whether it's cottage cheese or homemade ricotta cheese 00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:29.020 is really easy to make or your milk powder pancakes and you can make them savory too 00:28:29.020 --> 00:28:33.740 and grill them with melted cheese on top. 00:28:33.740 --> 00:28:36.420 Also you can do Greek yogurts. 00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:42.580 There's some good organic Greek yogurts that are very, very high protein and not sour. 00:28:42.580 --> 00:28:46.380 And then you have your egg meal and I tend to like eggs for lunch rather than breakfast 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:48.940 because of the blood sugar lowering effect of the eggs. 00:28:48.940 --> 00:28:53.620 I feel it's nicer to have something sweeter like the milk powder pancake for breakfast 00:28:53.620 --> 00:28:58.020 with coffee rather than having eggs with coffee because both of those things lower your blood 00:28:58.020 --> 00:29:00.700 sugar. 00:29:00.700 --> 00:29:07.380 And then all the bone broths and the types of meats that are certainly good for you in 00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:13.500 terms of not being purely muscle meats like brisket has an excellent saturated fat layer 00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:14.500 on it. 00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:17.980 And then lamb shanks are nice to roast. 00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:21.380 Ox tail like Dr. Peat talked about, that's very gelatinous. 00:29:21.380 --> 00:29:26.460 Otherwise if you have ground meat, I just sprinkle a little extra gelatin in there and 00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:33.060 maybe some leftover drippings from a roast I made to moisten it up and to give a little 00:29:33.060 --> 00:29:34.060 extra gelatin. 00:29:34.060 --> 00:29:35.060 Okay. 00:29:35.060 --> 00:29:38.100 Anyway, but that was one of the questions asked by somebody. 00:29:38.100 --> 00:29:43.500 And incidentally, if people want to contact us anytime, Monday through Friday, you can 00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:47.460 either write, best thing to do actually is probably write an email to either Andrew or 00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:53.620 Sarah at westernmetallicalmedicine.com and we do have a pretty extensive sheet that we've 00:29:53.620 --> 00:29:55.940 produced about three pages or so. 00:29:55.940 --> 00:29:59.220 And it's pretty much based around thyroid supporting and thyroid suppressive foods. 00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:01.020 So it gives a pretty good overview. 00:30:01.020 --> 00:30:05.980 And for sugars, I mentioned the proteins for sugars. 00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:07.700 I like to use honey. 00:30:07.700 --> 00:30:11.580 We have our own bees and that's great to get a good raw honey. 00:30:11.580 --> 00:30:14.100 Otherwise there's lots of honey available. 00:30:14.100 --> 00:30:21.060 And sugar and milk or orange juice, honey or sugar and milk, orange juice, ice cream, 00:30:21.060 --> 00:30:22.300 fruit when it's in season. 00:30:22.300 --> 00:30:26.540 Right now we're getting some really good little tangerines and satsumas. 00:30:26.540 --> 00:30:28.980 We have a bunch of apples from our tree that are really ripe. 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:32.780 It's just important when you eat fruit that it's from an organic source and it's a ripe 00:30:32.780 --> 00:30:33.780 source. 00:30:33.780 --> 00:30:38.580 I know Dr. Peat, you talk about how a ripe apple can be okay, but an unripe apple that 00:30:38.580 --> 00:30:42.420 was picked unripe can be very disturbing to the intestines. 00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:47.540 Lots of the fruit in supermarkets aren't properly ripened. 00:30:47.540 --> 00:30:54.420 Even plums are sometimes hard to digest and allergenic. 00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:58.420 And things like dried prunes, you have to experiment with them. 00:30:58.420 --> 00:31:01.980 Because a lot of them will give you gas, dried fruit will give you gas and it's just something's 00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:02.980 wrong. 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:03.980 I don't know. 00:31:03.980 --> 00:31:04.980 What goes on with dried fruit? 00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:05.980 What do they do wrong? 00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:08.260 They use unripe fruit before they dry it, Dr. Peat? 00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:09.940 I think so. 00:31:09.940 --> 00:31:18.500 When the polymers haven't broken down, they will feed bacteria rather than the person. 00:31:18.500 --> 00:31:22.540 So you'll know whether it's easy to digest because if it isn't and it's not good for 00:31:22.540 --> 00:31:23.860 you, you'll be getting gas. 00:31:23.860 --> 00:31:27.020 Isn't that a pretty good rule of thumb, Dr. Peat? 00:31:27.020 --> 00:31:28.020 Yep. 00:31:28.020 --> 00:31:29.020 So getting on to another question. 00:31:29.020 --> 00:31:31.380 One more thing I just want to mention is milk. 00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:34.580 It's a very good source of high-quality sugar, lactose. 00:31:34.580 --> 00:31:40.500 So one glass of milk has 12 grams of sugar, one glass of orange juice has 25. 00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:45.380 So you can add extra sugar to your milk to make up your quota. 00:31:45.380 --> 00:31:49.340 And I basically say 150 grams a day is like a diet level. 00:31:49.340 --> 00:31:52.020 Wouldn't you say so, Dr. Peat? 00:31:52.020 --> 00:31:53.020 Yeah. 00:31:53.020 --> 00:31:56.940 Well, for an active person, for someone sedentary, maybe that's the right amount to maintain. 00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:57.940 Yeah. 00:31:57.940 --> 00:32:05.900 And the lactose in milk is famous for helping to absorb the calcium, but some studies indicate 00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:14.140 that fructose or sucrose can serve the same purpose and spare the calcium in your diet. 00:32:14.140 --> 00:32:21.500 So you can be deficient slightly in calcium and make it up by having enough sugar to keep 00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:25.660 the stress down so you don't waste your calcium. 00:32:25.660 --> 00:32:29.620 And also, Dr. Peat, you said that people who think that they're lactose intolerant because 00:32:29.620 --> 00:32:36.500 when they drink milk they get terrible gas and indigestion, you can almost retrain your 00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:41.740 digestion, but basically remanufactured lactase so you can break down the lactose. 00:32:41.740 --> 00:32:45.180 It's just if you're not drinking milk, your body will stop producing the enzyme to break 00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:46.180 it down. 00:32:46.180 --> 00:32:47.180 It's as simple as that. 00:32:47.180 --> 00:32:48.180 It's just science. 00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:53.660 And especially if a person is hypothyroid in the intestine, it has trouble producing enough 00:32:53.660 --> 00:32:55.020 enzymes. 00:32:55.020 --> 00:33:00.180 And also has trouble producing enough stomach acid and all sorts of digestive problems you'll 00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:02.400 develop with hypothyroidism. 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.380 So if you just take a tablespoon a day, and if you're really sensitive, you can start 00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:10.740 with like a half a teaspoon or a teaspoon and every day increase it. 00:33:10.740 --> 00:33:15.980 Within a month, you'll have a full spectrum of enzymes because that's what it takes. 00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:21.980 If you've studied pharmacology, you'll learn that it takes a month to fully manufacture 00:33:21.980 --> 00:33:22.980 the amount of enzymes. 00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:25.700 But Dr. Peat, you were saying that it might only take two weeks. 00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:32.220 Yeah, especially if your thyroid is good, you can change your enzymes more quickly. 00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:36.180 And then the more you drink, the more enzyme you'll make and you'll be able to adjust to 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:37.180 it. 00:33:37.180 --> 00:33:42.380 So it's not like you can't ever eat dairy or eat cheese or drink milk again. 00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:45.980 I just had another question here I wanted to get by. 00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:46.980 It's pretty quick. 00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:47.980 It won't take too long. 00:33:47.980 --> 00:33:50.660 I'm not too sure where they were going with it. 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:53.300 Red LEDs, I know we've done shows on red light. 00:33:53.300 --> 00:34:02.020 They wanted to know if red LEDs would be sufficient for red lights as opposed to the 250 watt 00:34:02.020 --> 00:34:07.140 heat lamps that normally we're recommending. 00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:17.940 Probably at least some of the wavelengths are enough to reactivate the respiratory enzyme. 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:26.820 And that's one of the best known but crucial effects of sunlight, incandescent light and 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:30.020 some of the LEDs. 00:34:30.020 --> 00:34:40.340 The respiratory enzyme copper atom in the darkness, it tends to be displaced from the 00:34:40.340 --> 00:34:45.900 enzyme causing failure of the respiratory system. 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:51.900 And the red light has just the right amount of energy to move the copper back into its 00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:53.980 proper oxidizing position. 00:34:53.980 --> 00:34:55.660 Okay, cool. 00:34:55.660 --> 00:34:57.460 So red LEDs will work. 00:34:57.460 --> 00:35:00.060 And then if people have them, that's all well and good. 00:35:00.060 --> 00:35:03.900 Otherwise, red light from a good source 250 watt heat lamp. 00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:05.900 Okay, we have our first caller here. 00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:10.460 So let's take this next call and see where you're from calling. 00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:12.660 What's the question? 00:35:12.660 --> 00:35:15.660 Hello, you're on the air. 00:35:15.660 --> 00:35:19.340 We can hear your TV so we know you're there. 00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:20.340 Hello. 00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:21.340 Yeah. 00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:22.340 Hi, you're on the air. 00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:23.340 Hi. 00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:24.340 Okay. 00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:25.340 I want to know what you think about being a vegan. 00:35:25.340 --> 00:35:26.340 Vegan eating... 00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:27.340 Go ahead. 00:35:27.340 --> 00:35:28.340 Yeah. 00:35:28.340 --> 00:35:29.340 I know, I'll let Dr. Peat answer the question. 00:35:29.340 --> 00:35:30.340 I know it's very popular now. 00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:31.340 Being a vegan means you don't eat anything from an animal. 00:35:31.340 --> 00:35:45.100 Is there any way you can eat that way and be healthy and get enough protein and vitamin 00:35:45.100 --> 00:35:46.100 B and all that? 00:35:46.100 --> 00:35:47.100 Yeah, let Dr. Peat answer it. 00:35:47.100 --> 00:35:51.100 I've got personal experience with this, but I know Dr. Peat's got a lot more. 00:35:51.100 --> 00:35:53.340 So Dr. Peat. 00:35:53.340 --> 00:36:00.580 The closest you can come to it would be eating potatoes and mushrooms. 00:36:00.580 --> 00:36:04.980 Mushrooms are very similar to animal protein. 00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:16.340 And your intestine can make vitamin B12, which is sometimes deficient in a vegan diet. 00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:25.180 And so with the trace minerals of mushrooms and the high quality proteins and vitamins 00:36:25.180 --> 00:36:28.660 of potatoes, you can do pretty well. 00:36:28.660 --> 00:36:32.420 But most vegans don't do very well. 00:36:32.420 --> 00:36:36.180 What do you think they're really deficient in, Dr. Peat? 00:36:36.180 --> 00:36:37.180 Oh, calcium. 00:36:37.180 --> 00:36:38.180 Yeah. 00:36:38.180 --> 00:36:39.180 There you go. 00:36:39.180 --> 00:36:43.140 They break bones too easily once they get to be 60 or 70. 00:36:43.140 --> 00:36:47.620 Well, what is the advantage to being a vegan? 00:36:47.620 --> 00:36:50.540 I think it's usually an ethical thing. 00:36:50.540 --> 00:36:55.780 They don't like to bother their animal neighbors by eating them. 00:36:55.780 --> 00:36:59.020 There you go. 00:36:59.020 --> 00:37:01.180 It's mainly an ethical consideration. 00:37:01.180 --> 00:37:07.140 Oh yeah, they don't want to eat killed animals from big agribusiness and that sort of thing. 00:37:07.140 --> 00:37:12.660 But living in a country, you can have your own goats and chickens and that sort of thing 00:37:12.660 --> 00:37:16.180 and raise everything you want. 00:37:16.180 --> 00:37:21.700 Other than that, from a health point of view, it doesn't seem very healthy at all. 00:37:21.700 --> 00:37:30.220 And I once heard that there was no natural indigenous cultures, let's say, that were 00:37:30.220 --> 00:37:31.220 vegan. 00:37:31.220 --> 00:37:36.100 There were some that are vegetarian in very hot countries where I guess it's hard to preserve 00:37:36.100 --> 00:37:41.380 meat and there's lots of fruit available and there'd be a different balance if it's really 00:37:41.380 --> 00:37:42.860 a hot country. 00:37:42.860 --> 00:37:49.180 But there's no place where you're going to find a vegan diet among indigenous people. 00:37:49.180 --> 00:37:50.180 Is that true? 00:37:50.180 --> 00:37:58.220 Some people have studied the Fulani people of Africa and found that they were pretty 00:37:58.220 --> 00:38:04.060 close to vegan but very sick, lots of heart disease. 00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:09.820 So you mean from atheroma, from some kind of polyunsaturated damage? 00:38:09.820 --> 00:38:12.980 Probably because of the calcium deficiency. 00:38:12.980 --> 00:38:14.540 Calcium is good for your heart? 00:38:14.540 --> 00:38:16.900 Very very important for your heart. 00:38:16.900 --> 00:38:19.420 How much calcium do you need a day? 00:38:19.420 --> 00:38:22.820 2,000 milligrams a day, which is basically two quarts of milk. 00:38:22.820 --> 00:38:26.780 So you can break that down if you wanted to do yogurt, cottage cheese. 00:38:26.780 --> 00:38:31.820 I take additional eggshell powder from my own eggs, ground up in a coffee grinder as 00:38:31.820 --> 00:38:32.820 fine as you can get them. 00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:38.740 A quarter teaspoon is about 600 milligrams. 00:38:38.740 --> 00:38:40.740 Coffee has calcium? 00:38:40.740 --> 00:38:47.140 No, sorry, I grind the eggshell in a coffee grinder to make powder. 00:38:47.140 --> 00:38:48.980 But coffee has some minerals in it. 00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:50.700 Yeah, you say that coffee is good. 00:38:50.700 --> 00:38:52.300 I drink a cup of coffee every morning. 00:38:52.300 --> 00:38:53.300 Good. 00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:55.780 I think three or four would be better, but not in the morning. 00:38:55.780 --> 00:38:56.780 Anyway, thanks for your call. 00:38:56.780 --> 00:38:57.780 Alright, thank you. 00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:59.700 Okay, we have another caller on the air. 00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:02.780 Let's take this call away from, and what's your question? 00:39:02.780 --> 00:39:11.220 Spirock, I was wondering about the correlation of a high dairy allergy and I'm also a vegan. 00:39:11.220 --> 00:39:15.820 So what will I do for calcium and protein besides the potato every day? 00:39:15.820 --> 00:39:18.060 What about eggshells? 00:39:18.060 --> 00:39:22.780 I was just talking, would you do eggshells or not because that's from an animal? 00:39:22.780 --> 00:39:23.780 Yeah. 00:39:23.780 --> 00:39:25.740 Oyster shell, wow. 00:39:25.740 --> 00:39:27.700 That's another animal, I guess. 00:39:27.700 --> 00:39:29.740 Hard to swallow, isn't it? 00:39:29.740 --> 00:39:31.140 But you can put it in capsules. 00:39:31.140 --> 00:39:32.860 I just swallow it down with a little water. 00:39:32.860 --> 00:39:36.140 It kind of forms a little bolus and it's easy to swallow. 00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:37.140 It wants to... 00:39:37.140 --> 00:39:39.140 You can't get it from like vegetables. 00:39:39.140 --> 00:39:41.820 Well, you can boil greens. 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:47.460 Leafy greens, if you cook them thoroughly and save the water, are a good source of calcium 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:48.700 and magnesium. 00:39:48.700 --> 00:39:52.780 How much do you think you would have to eat if you were strictly vegan and this is how 00:39:52.780 --> 00:39:54.700 you were going to get your calcium? 00:39:54.700 --> 00:39:56.540 About a pound, I think. 00:39:56.540 --> 00:40:00.620 You'd have to boil a pound down a day and then drink all that water? 00:40:00.620 --> 00:40:01.620 I think so. 00:40:01.620 --> 00:40:06.140 And another way to help get the minerals out of the greens, especially those with oxalic 00:40:06.140 --> 00:40:10.400 acid, but even with kale, is put baking soda in it. 00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.860 And that helps neutralize oxalic acid because oxalic acid that's in spinach and chard blocks 00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:20.780 your absorption of the calcium. 00:40:20.780 --> 00:40:24.980 And you'll notice they cook much quicker and the liquid goes very dark colored because 00:40:24.980 --> 00:40:29.900 of the minerals that are leaching out of the cellulose leaf into the... 00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:32.380 What about the protein intakes? 00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:35.660 The protein, I mean, the fruit does have some protein, the potatoes. 00:40:35.660 --> 00:40:39.380 How many pounds of potatoes would you have to eat a day, Dr. Peat, to get, would you 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:40.380 say five pounds? 00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:41.380 Five pounds. 00:40:41.380 --> 00:40:42.380 Yeah, there you go. 00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:46.580 So you could eat five pounds of potatoes or you could juice those potatoes better still 00:40:46.580 --> 00:40:49.860 if you didn't want to physically eat the bulk of five pounds of potatoes. 00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:52.100 And are a lot of nuts bad for you? 00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:53.100 Say that again? 00:40:53.100 --> 00:40:54.100 Was that... 00:40:54.100 --> 00:40:55.100 Nuts. 00:40:55.100 --> 00:40:56.100 Is nuts bad for you? 00:40:56.100 --> 00:40:57.100 No. 00:40:57.100 --> 00:41:00.980 Well, yeah, nuts have a lot of polyunsaturated fatty acids that are very estrogenic. 00:41:00.980 --> 00:41:05.100 So a lot of nuts is not good. 00:41:05.100 --> 00:41:06.100 That's correct. 00:41:06.100 --> 00:41:09.460 And better to have more seeds. 00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:12.540 Seeds and nuts are both very high in polyunsaturated fatty acids. 00:41:12.540 --> 00:41:13.940 They're not a great source of protein. 00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:17.740 I mean, what do you think about the protein in nuts compared to the protein in beans and 00:41:17.740 --> 00:41:19.740 legumes, Dr. Peat? 00:41:19.740 --> 00:41:23.980 Oh, some of them are slightly better. 00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:34.340 But the only nuts that I know of that are fairly safe for the fats would be the macadamias. 00:41:34.340 --> 00:41:35.340 They're pretty saturated. 00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:39.060 Macadamias are the better one? 00:41:39.060 --> 00:41:40.060 Yes. 00:41:40.060 --> 00:41:44.380 I don't know what the protein content of macadamia nuts are though. 00:41:44.380 --> 00:41:45.380 It isn't very high. 00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:46.380 Okay. 00:41:46.380 --> 00:41:47.380 Well, thank you for your call, Paula. 00:41:47.380 --> 00:41:48.380 Thank you. 00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:53.740 And just a side note about that potato juice, I have made it. 00:41:53.740 --> 00:41:55.420 Have you made it, Dr. Peat, too? 00:41:55.420 --> 00:41:57.580 Where you scramble the potato juice? 00:41:57.580 --> 00:41:59.140 What was that? 00:41:59.140 --> 00:42:03.380 Where you juice the potatoes and then you separate it from the starch and you scramble 00:42:03.380 --> 00:42:04.380 it? 00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:05.380 Yeah. 00:42:05.380 --> 00:42:06.380 It's pretty tasty. 00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:07.380 Oh, yeah. 00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:12.620 It tastes pretty much like mashed potatoes when you put butter on it. 00:42:12.620 --> 00:42:16.140 And if you let the potato juice, I noticed I had to let it settle. 00:42:16.140 --> 00:42:18.340 So all the starch went to the bottom and you can tell. 00:42:18.340 --> 00:42:23.020 Like if you put cornstarch with water, the starch falls to the bottom and you can feel 00:42:23.020 --> 00:42:24.020 it. 00:42:24.020 --> 00:42:25.020 It's starchy. 00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:26.700 So with potato juice, it's the same way. 00:42:26.700 --> 00:42:30.900 The starch falls to the bottom and you have this juice on top and you just pour that juice 00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:31.900 that's on the top. 00:42:31.900 --> 00:42:32.900 But you have to let it settle. 00:42:32.900 --> 00:42:33.900 Don't use it right away. 00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:36.900 And it's all protein, isn't it, pretty much? 00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:38.460 Well, once the water's gone. 00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:39.460 Yeah. 00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:46.940 The slimy part of the juice is it should be sort of like egg white, depending on the type 00:42:46.940 --> 00:42:47.940 of potato. 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:53.020 Some of it is very gelatinous and cooks easily. 00:42:53.020 --> 00:43:00.380 The others are kind of watery and you get a mushy mashed potato effect. 00:43:00.380 --> 00:43:01.380 Okay. 00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:03.940 So it's probably the waxy versus the floury potato. 00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:04.940 Okay. 00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:05.940 We have another caller here. 00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:07.420 So let's take this next caller. 00:43:07.420 --> 00:43:08.420 Call away from. 00:43:08.420 --> 00:43:09.420 And what's your question? 00:43:09.420 --> 00:43:10.420 Bob in Willis. 00:43:10.420 --> 00:43:11.420 Willis. 00:43:11.420 --> 00:43:12.420 Hi. 00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:13.420 What's your question? 00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:19.420 We're getting involved with fermented vegetables, cabbage and all kinds of fermented vegetables. 00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:24.020 We're doing it ourselves and it's just terrific. 00:43:24.020 --> 00:43:30.780 And it really straightens up the flora in your gut and throws your whole digestive tract 00:43:30.780 --> 00:43:31.780 in. 00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:34.780 What do you think about fermented vegetables? 00:43:34.780 --> 00:43:37.780 I'll take the answer off the air. 00:43:37.780 --> 00:43:38.780 Thanks for your call. 00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:40.620 And did you hear that caller's question? 00:43:40.620 --> 00:43:41.620 Not most of it. 00:43:41.620 --> 00:43:42.620 Fermented what? 00:43:42.620 --> 00:43:43.620 Vegetables. 00:43:43.620 --> 00:43:46.660 He said he's been getting into making his own fermented vegetables. 00:43:46.660 --> 00:43:48.180 And what do you think about that? 00:43:48.180 --> 00:43:52.460 Oh, some of them taste very nice, like sauerkraut. 00:43:52.460 --> 00:43:57.940 But I don't think there is much nutritional value in them. 00:43:57.940 --> 00:44:06.820 And there's a risk of getting bad fungus contamination in them. 00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:15.540 In Asia, where fermented vegetables are very popular, they've seen a lot of stomach and 00:44:15.540 --> 00:44:22.820 throat cancer that comes from the fungal contamination of fermented vegetables. 00:44:22.820 --> 00:44:26.980 And what about the lactic acid content? 00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:32.460 Lactic acid puts a burden on your liver to turn it back into glucose. 00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:37.060 It takes more energy than you get out of the glucose. 00:44:37.060 --> 00:44:41.420 So you think it's more nutritious to boil the vegetables rather than ferment them? 00:44:41.420 --> 00:44:42.420 Yeah. 00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:48.540 And what about the, the caller also mentioned about the gut bacteria, the probiotics? 00:44:48.540 --> 00:44:54.020 The small intestine, I think, is best when it's cleanest. 00:44:54.020 --> 00:45:01.900 Very vigorous people with good digestion and high thyroid function have almost a sterile 00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:08.580 small intestine from their mouth to their appendix, basically. 00:45:08.580 --> 00:45:10.940 There's nothing growing. 00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:17.700 So they get a chance to absorb all of the nutrients without competing with bacteria. 00:45:17.700 --> 00:45:23.420 Then in the healthy person, the bacteria grow just in the colon. 00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:30.580 So you don't want to support bacterial growth higher up in your intestine. 00:45:30.580 --> 00:45:40.060 The H. pylori is an example of much too high in the digestive system for bacteria to live. 00:45:40.060 --> 00:45:47.580 I just had a throat swab done and it was, they couldn't find anything in my throat swab. 00:45:47.580 --> 00:45:53.620 So the doctor said there's something wrong because your mouth is sterile. 00:45:53.620 --> 00:45:55.580 Anyway, we have another caller. 00:45:55.580 --> 00:45:58.700 I just wanted to put out the number again for those people that listen to the show. 00:45:58.700 --> 00:46:00.180 We've gotten to eight o'clock here. 00:46:00.180 --> 00:46:03.180 Dr. Ray Peats, very kindly joining us again. 00:46:03.180 --> 00:46:04.180 Okay. 00:46:04.180 --> 00:46:12.860 Number is 707-923-3911 or 800 number for those folks in different parts of the States. 00:46:12.860 --> 00:46:16.300 1-800-568-3723. 00:46:16.300 --> 00:46:18.180 So we have another caller on the air. 00:46:18.180 --> 00:46:20.420 What's your question and where are you from? 00:46:20.420 --> 00:46:21.420 Yes, Colorado. 00:46:21.420 --> 00:46:22.420 Colorado. 00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:23.420 Welcome. 00:46:23.420 --> 00:46:30.580 And the question is, how would I find out if my methylation is interfering with my vitamin 00:46:30.580 --> 00:46:32.460 D absorption? 00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:39.660 I tried a therapeutic dose, a higher therapeutic dose of 12,000 I used for a couple of months 00:46:39.660 --> 00:46:47.980 and I did bring the level up to 73, but my symptoms persisted that I'm trying to figure 00:46:47.980 --> 00:46:49.420 out what to do. 00:46:49.420 --> 00:46:52.780 I went from 30 to 73. 00:46:52.780 --> 00:46:53.780 Okay. 00:46:53.780 --> 00:46:58.540 So Dr. Peat, did you hear that? 00:46:58.540 --> 00:47:00.180 The line's not that great, but... 00:47:00.180 --> 00:47:01.180 I'm sorry. 00:47:01.180 --> 00:47:02.180 That's okay. 00:47:02.180 --> 00:47:03.180 Methylation. 00:47:03.180 --> 00:47:04.180 Yeah. 00:47:04.180 --> 00:47:06.180 How would I know my methylation is working? 00:47:06.180 --> 00:47:09.340 Dr. Peat. 00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:10.340 Vitamin in general? 00:47:10.340 --> 00:47:12.620 I think she's saying in relation to B, B vitamin. 00:47:12.620 --> 00:47:13.620 No, D. I'm sorry. 00:47:13.620 --> 00:47:14.620 D as in dog. 00:47:14.620 --> 00:47:15.620 Oh, D. I beg your pardon. 00:47:15.620 --> 00:47:16.620 Okay. 00:47:16.620 --> 00:47:20.620 I know, because I was saying, I just wrote a note to Andrew. 00:47:20.620 --> 00:47:21.620 I said, "What B vitamin?" 00:47:21.620 --> 00:47:22.620 Yeah. 00:47:22.620 --> 00:47:23.620 Okay. 00:47:23.620 --> 00:47:24.620 It's D. 00:47:24.620 --> 00:47:28.060 D, vitamin D. Have you had your vitamin D blood level checked? 00:47:28.060 --> 00:47:29.060 Yes, I did. 00:47:29.060 --> 00:47:30.060 It's 73. 00:47:30.060 --> 00:47:31.060 Yeah. 00:47:31.060 --> 00:47:32.060 Oh, that sounds plenty enough. 00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:33.060 That's pretty good. 00:47:33.060 --> 00:47:34.060 That's good. 00:47:34.060 --> 00:47:36.900 So what, in terms of methylation, you were saying, because I thought we were dealing 00:47:36.900 --> 00:47:41.500 with methylating vitamin B12 and that being an issue. 00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:42.500 Right. 00:47:42.500 --> 00:47:51.340 I understand that the receptor sites of vitamin D may recede if your methylation is not correct. 00:47:51.340 --> 00:47:54.060 Dr. Peat. 00:47:54.060 --> 00:48:01.500 I would guess that any symptoms you have that are related to vitamin D might be from not 00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:09.500 having enough calcium and magnesium or maybe having too much phosphate in your diet. 00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:11.260 Okay. 00:48:11.260 --> 00:48:23.380 It's important to have more, on a molar basis, more calcium than phosphate in the diet. 00:48:23.380 --> 00:48:30.780 Americans often have five or six times too much phosphate relative to calcium. 00:48:30.780 --> 00:48:36.380 Because of the high meat intake and the high starch intake and the high bean and grain 00:48:36.380 --> 00:48:37.380 intake. 00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:45.220 Well, I've been about nine months without any, one meal of some meat a day. 00:48:45.220 --> 00:48:47.500 And what about calcium? 00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:51.220 I drink about two or three quarts of milk a day. 00:48:51.220 --> 00:48:53.460 Well, that should be adequate for calcium. 00:48:53.460 --> 00:48:54.460 Yeah. 00:48:54.460 --> 00:48:56.540 What are the symptoms you associate with the vitamin D? 00:48:56.540 --> 00:48:59.780 I get a headache in the middle of the night. 00:48:59.780 --> 00:49:00.780 What about sugars? 00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:02.020 How much sugars are you getting a day? 00:49:02.020 --> 00:49:06.260 I get lots of sugar. 00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:11.380 I drink milk all night long with sugar and honey. 00:49:11.380 --> 00:49:13.740 And I eat marshmallows. 00:49:13.740 --> 00:49:19.020 It used to be coffee that would take the headache away, but now I found marshmallows help better. 00:49:19.020 --> 00:49:20.860 And gelatin? 00:49:20.860 --> 00:49:26.860 Do you eat any antiseptic fibrous food like raw carrots? 00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:27.860 Yes. 00:49:27.860 --> 00:49:29.260 Every day. 00:49:29.260 --> 00:49:30.860 What about your thyroid function? 00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:32.900 Have you tested your temperatures and pulses? 00:49:32.900 --> 00:49:33.900 Yes. 00:49:33.900 --> 00:49:37.140 I can only keep it up to about 98. 00:49:37.140 --> 00:49:39.140 I can't get higher than that. 00:49:39.140 --> 00:49:45.820 Well, that could be a big problem because if you're below 98, your immune system's at 00:49:45.820 --> 00:49:46.820 like half power. 00:49:46.820 --> 00:49:47.820 It's only 50% functioning. 00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:48.820 Exactly. 00:49:48.820 --> 00:49:52.700 And so I think I have some kind of mycoplasma. 00:49:52.700 --> 00:49:59.380 I've been taking the tetracycline low dose for about six months now. 00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:02.100 And it has not changed it. 00:50:02.100 --> 00:50:06.820 And so I was thinking I was going to have to... 00:50:06.820 --> 00:50:09.420 Did you identify what mycoplasma it was? 00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:10.420 Not yet. 00:50:10.420 --> 00:50:14.860 I think I'll do a nasal swab and try to find out because it seems to be connected to my 00:50:14.860 --> 00:50:18.060 trigeminal nerve neuralgia. 00:50:18.060 --> 00:50:20.140 What about your liver function? 00:50:20.140 --> 00:50:24.580 Liver function has come back to a normal function because I've been on this diet. 00:50:24.580 --> 00:50:27.420 Yeah, that's definitely diets and a long time. 00:50:27.420 --> 00:50:29.380 Have you tried aspirin? 00:50:29.380 --> 00:50:30.380 I do. 00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:34.180 I'm up to three aspirin three times a day. 00:50:34.180 --> 00:50:36.380 I take every six hours. 00:50:36.380 --> 00:50:37.940 You're taking vitamin K? 00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:39.860 With vitamin K, yes. 00:50:39.860 --> 00:50:40.860 Good. 00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:45.740 What do you think about the thyroid function helping the... 00:50:45.740 --> 00:50:49.580 How much thyroid do I take a day now? 00:50:49.580 --> 00:50:56.460 I'm up to 1.75. 00:50:56.460 --> 00:51:01.540 I'm up to 1.75. 00:51:01.540 --> 00:51:02.540 So how it is... 00:51:02.540 --> 00:51:05.740 And I take the T3 also with meals and between meals. 00:51:05.740 --> 00:51:12.500 How it works with thyroid is some people need like two micrograms. 00:51:12.500 --> 00:51:14.020 Some people need 200. 00:51:14.020 --> 00:51:16.340 It depends on your body. 00:51:16.340 --> 00:51:21.340 And the best way to tell is with your ankle reflex and also with your temperatures and 00:51:21.340 --> 00:51:27.900 pulses and if you can't get your temperature up above 98, then you don't have enough thyroid 00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:28.900 basically. 00:51:28.900 --> 00:51:31.100 Unless I have a bad stress day and then it'll go up. 00:51:31.100 --> 00:51:32.100 Yeah. 00:51:32.100 --> 00:51:38.020 Well then that's just adrenaline raising it but you'll notice it will fall after meals. 00:51:38.020 --> 00:51:46.940 Sometimes a mysterious headache can be traced to a single supplement or a single food that 00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:52.460 you might have only once a week causing an allergic irritation. 00:51:52.460 --> 00:51:53.460 Yes. 00:51:53.460 --> 00:52:00.460 I think I found that the microbial enzymes in cheeses and I try to find the very best 00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:01.460 I can find. 00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:04.860 I'm going to eliminate that and see if that doesn't make a big difference. 00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:07.420 Because you can definitely find cheeses. 00:52:07.420 --> 00:52:12.540 It's not so much a plug but it's just a fact that Costco do actually sell some very good 00:52:12.540 --> 00:52:16.460 European cheeses that are made with animal rennet and not microbial enzymes. 00:52:16.460 --> 00:52:18.060 Thank you very much for that. 00:52:18.060 --> 00:52:26.180 And the two cheeses that we know are made with animal rennet are the Parmigiano Reggiano, 00:52:26.180 --> 00:52:30.640 the very hard Italian Parmesan and then also the sheep and that's cow's milk and then they 00:52:30.640 --> 00:52:34.040 have a sheep's milk Pecorino Romano. 00:52:34.040 --> 00:52:38.580 Those are both very traditionally made cheeses and people that have sensitivity to cheese 00:52:38.580 --> 00:52:40.980 don't find any problems with those two. 00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:41.980 Very good. 00:52:41.980 --> 00:52:42.980 Thank you for that suggestion. 00:52:42.980 --> 00:52:47.180 I'll keep on going but I appreciate all the help you've given me. 00:52:47.180 --> 00:52:48.180 You're welcome. 00:52:48.180 --> 00:52:49.180 I really appreciate it. 00:52:49.180 --> 00:52:50.180 You're welcome. 00:52:50.180 --> 00:52:51.180 Thank you for your call. 00:52:51.180 --> 00:52:52.180 Okay. 00:52:52.180 --> 00:52:55.940 Well it looks like we do actually have another caller who's calling in now so I didn't get 00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:59.180 a chance to really ask you any questions Dr. Peat about this month's subject but that's 00:52:59.180 --> 00:53:00.180 not a problem. 00:53:00.180 --> 00:53:04.040 I'm glad people have got their answers to their questions and there's one more person 00:53:04.040 --> 00:53:08.120 here who their call is being fielded to see if they actually want to pose a question or 00:53:08.120 --> 00:53:09.120 they just have comments. 00:53:09.120 --> 00:53:10.120 Yeah, it does. 00:53:10.120 --> 00:53:12.440 Okay, so let's take this next caller away from. 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:13.440 What's your question? 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.440 Hi, it's Scott from Ontario, Canada. 00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:17.440 Ontario, Canada. 00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:22.960 My question I'd ask you, just a quick one hopefully, when raising calcium and getting 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:28.720 heartburn, what would be the cause and secondly what to do for oily skin? 00:53:28.720 --> 00:53:29.720 Okay. 00:53:29.720 --> 00:53:33.680 So wait a minute, you said when you increase your calcium intake you get heartburn? 00:53:33.680 --> 00:53:39.400 Yeah, so if I'm drinking two quarts of milk a day and having lots of cottage cheese and 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.120 then trying to use extra eggshell or calcium carbonate and then getting like a heartburn 00:53:44.120 --> 00:53:45.120 reaction. 00:53:45.120 --> 00:53:49.080 Do you know if you get it specifically just to the eggshell when you take that in isolation 00:53:49.080 --> 00:53:50.320 or without food though? 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.000 Are you aware of that or do you take? 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.520 Or the cottage cheese if it's very acidic. 00:53:55.520 --> 00:54:00.880 Yeah, I think the only one I add in like the extra, like the supplement of calcium carbonate 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:01.880 or eggshell. 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:05.840 How much eggshell are you taking? 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:06.840 About half a teaspoon. 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:07.840 Half a teaspoon. 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.480 At a time or during the day? 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:11.480 At a time. 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:12.480 That might be too much. 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:16.120 I take like an eighth of a teaspoon at a time but then I drink a lot of milk so if people 00:54:16.120 --> 00:54:21.000 don't drink milk then you'd need to take like a quarter teaspoon at each meal with the food, 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:22.000 after the food. 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.640 And you definitely want to take it with food because it... 00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:26.000 I have, yeah, I've noticed people... 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:28.400 Quite a lot of people talk about upset... 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:32.280 It's usually more loose, it causes their stools to be loose or hard. 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:36.600 But Dr. Peat, what would you think is contributing to this gentleman's heartburn? 00:54:36.600 --> 00:54:46.360 Oh, lots of people get stomach irritation from calcium supplements and magnesium supplements. 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:56.640 When manufactured or in an excessively pure form, the eggshell is almost a pure calcium 00:54:56.640 --> 00:55:04.680 carbonate and your stomach and intestine have trouble with pure chemistry. 00:55:04.680 --> 00:55:13.640 The more mixed substance is like milk, is extremely complex and so it's very soothing 00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:17.560 to the digestive membranes but any pure chemical... 00:55:17.560 --> 00:55:21.600 It sounds like a good rationale against pharmaceuticals. 00:55:21.600 --> 00:55:22.600 Yeah. 00:55:22.600 --> 00:55:26.120 Okay, so the question about the heartburn, what do you think of that? 00:55:26.120 --> 00:55:31.000 And then oily skin, I think, was the other part of the question. 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.440 In general, oily skin is very good. 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.180 It ages very slowly. 00:55:38.180 --> 00:55:44.520 If you have oily skin when you're 25 or 30, you'll probably have young looking skin when 00:55:44.520 --> 00:55:50.400 you're 60, just because it's metabolically so active in general. 00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.880 So it signifies a good thyroid function in terms of the turnover? 00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:55.880 Usually yeah. 00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:56.880 Yeah, good. 00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:01.440 Okay, so did you have any other comments about the heartburn though from that caller regarding 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:02.440 the calcium? 00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:04.560 Is the caller still on the air? 00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:05.560 I'm still here. 00:56:05.560 --> 00:56:06.560 Yeah. 00:56:06.560 --> 00:56:08.560 Do you take it with a big shell and an empty stomach or after food? 00:56:08.560 --> 00:56:10.760 No, I take it with food. 00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:12.600 Okay, well maybe it's just too much at once. 00:56:12.600 --> 00:56:13.600 What do you think, Dr. Peat? 00:56:13.600 --> 00:56:15.720 Half a teaspoon at a time is maybe a little intense? 00:56:15.720 --> 00:56:18.520 Yeah, I would just skip it for a week and see what happens. 00:56:18.520 --> 00:56:23.120 I mean, if you're getting two quarts of milk plus some cottage cheese, you're probably 00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:24.120 good. 00:56:24.120 --> 00:56:25.880 Yeah, I think I am good. 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:31.240 I'm just trying to really push that calcium phosphate ratio. 00:56:31.240 --> 00:56:33.520 How much meat are you eating a day? 00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:35.240 I'm not doing any meat right now at all. 00:56:35.240 --> 00:56:38.360 I'm doing basically all dairy and fruit, cooked fruit. 00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.720 Well, that's a diet very low in phosphate. 00:56:40.720 --> 00:56:42.080 Dairy is not high in phosphates. 00:56:42.080 --> 00:56:43.080 Yeah. 00:56:43.080 --> 00:56:47.360 He's trying to increase the calcium to phosphate ratio by bringing his phosphate consumption 00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:48.360 down. 00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:50.360 How much, are you taking vitamin D at all? 00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.400 Yeah, I do take vitamin D, vitamin A, E, and K. 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.240 Yeah, especially up there in Canada. 00:56:56.240 --> 00:56:58.120 Don't take too much A. 00:56:58.120 --> 00:57:01.880 Sometimes vitamin A can be irritating to the intestine. 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:06.440 I had to stop using it orally several years ago and use it only on my skin. 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.960 There you go, because it's fat soluble. 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.440 Planet thyroid suppressive, how much A were you using a day? 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:13.440 Are you using it? 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.440 It depends. 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:20.920 I try to do it orally or transdermally, so usually maybe five to 10 every couple of days, 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.520 about 10K. 00:57:22.520 --> 00:57:26.480 That might be a little bit too much for your thyroid function because if you ate four ounces 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:32.480 of beef liver, it typically has on average about 10,000 units and you would want to eat 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.280 four ounces of beef liver once a week, so that might be a little bit too much A. 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:37.280 Okay. 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:42.560 Okay, well, thank you for your call anyway. 00:57:42.560 --> 00:57:47.080 We're right to the top of the hour now, so it's kind of coming to the close of the show. 00:57:47.080 --> 00:57:48.080 Appreciate your time. 00:57:48.080 --> 00:57:49.080 Thank you very much. 00:57:49.080 --> 00:57:50.080 You're welcome. 00:57:50.080 --> 00:57:53.280 Dr. Peat, are you still there, Dr. Peat? 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.280 Yeah. 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:55.280 Yeah. 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:56.280 Thank you very much for joining us again. 00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:57.280 We're at the closing show of 2016. 00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:02.600 We'll look and see, gee, I think by the third Friday of next month, we might have a new 00:58:02.600 --> 00:58:08.960 president and we might have got through the ups and downs of the contentious ongoing electoral 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:14.160 results with the college and yet to cast their final vote on the 19th. 00:58:14.160 --> 00:58:16.200 And it's been, it has been eight years. 00:58:16.200 --> 00:58:18.560 And Dr. Peat first joined us on the show in 2008. 00:58:18.560 --> 00:58:21.960 I thought it was seven, but yeah, okay. 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.840 You said it has only been seven years, but yeah. 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:25.840 It was 2008. 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:29.840 Dr. Peter, thank you very much for your time.