WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 Well, welcome to this month's Ask Your Obstructor. My name's Andrew Murray. 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:06.700 From the 7.30 until the end of the show, 00:00:06.700 --> 00:00:09.960 callers are invited to call in 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:14.000 with any questions related or unrelated to this month's subject of 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:19.320 a kind of mixed topic really. It's a little bit of economics, 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.440 a little bit of greed, 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:25.800 corporate greed, and idealism. 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:30.280 And a couple of characters from the mid-1850s 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:36.440 who had some very visionary thoughts about such concepts as the biosphere 00:00:36.440 --> 00:00:39.920 and neurosphere are going to be woven into 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:43.480 the discussion. 00:00:43.480 --> 00:00:46.480 It's very much a point at this point in time 00:00:46.480 --> 00:00:49.840 where I think as a species we are 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:53.160 definitely getting more and more aware 00:00:53.160 --> 00:00:56.840 of our surroundings. The Internet has made it extremely easy 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.520 to find out a lot of information about a lot of different things. 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.880 Sometimes some of it's erroneous, other times it's revelationary. 00:01:04.880 --> 00:01:08.960 So there's plenty of data to support 00:01:08.960 --> 00:01:13.280 lots of arguments on both sides of the coin. If someone wants to argue something 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.120 you can get on the Internet and you can find a lot about it, sometimes 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:20.080 erroneous, sometimes accurate, but the idea is that we 00:01:20.080 --> 00:01:23.760 have got more freedom than ever. We're not confined 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.880 as it were to libraries to sift and trawl through 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:31.120 volumes. We've got the push of a button, the chance to 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:34.720 find out all sorts of things that we would never have had access to and so 00:01:34.720 --> 00:01:35.280 therefore 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:39.120 dissemination of knowledge has become much freer. 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.560 And unlike in times past when 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:46.600 academia and education was reserved for those people who had 00:01:46.600 --> 00:01:50.280 power, influence, money, hereditary 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:54.760 money that would have kept them in the right position, anybody with 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:58.840 a desire to know more or a passion 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:02.280 to know more about a subject can get on the Internet 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.880 and fairly quickly come to a fairly 00:02:05.880 --> 00:02:10.080 accurate opinion about a lot of things. 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.680 And like I said, sometimes information on the Internet is not accurate 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.960 and can be misleading. I found in the past here with 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:21.040 talking with Dr. Peat and looking at lots of research articles and clinical 00:02:21.040 --> 00:02:22.080 trial data and 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:25.840 all sorts of controlled double-blind studies and 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:30.240 placebo-controlled studies and randomized studies and even studies that 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:34.040 are seemingly scientific can actually be misleading and erroneous. 00:02:34.040 --> 00:02:37.320 Just look at all the data folks and look at it objectively 00:02:37.320 --> 00:02:40.640 and you can generally find 00:02:40.640 --> 00:02:45.080 the fault in some papers and you can more often than not 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.600 if there's money involved, just follow the money and that will also lead you 00:02:48.600 --> 00:02:52.320 to the direction that will reveal some of the truth about it that you may not 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:52.880 have 00:02:52.880 --> 00:02:56.680 read or seen. So like I said, this much subject 00:02:56.680 --> 00:03:00.080 is going to be a medley 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.960 of things but with economics and greed 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.680 at the heart of it and as a species 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.080 we are probably more so now than ever 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.520 more relaxed if you like and 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.960 there we have less, and I don't mean this from a 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:23.160 physiological perspective, but less stress on us to survive because things 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:26.760 are available in convenience stores and we don't have to hunt them now, 00:03:26.760 --> 00:03:29.960 we don't have to grow them, we don't have to have those skills, 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:33.520 we're becoming less physical as we become more cerebral perhaps 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:38.160 and things are there, just like Amazon will deliver it, 00:03:38.160 --> 00:03:41.960 not that I agree with Amazon, but Amazon will deliver it to your door 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:45.120 you don't have to go out and get it anymore and as long as you're 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.960 earning a wage, there is some disposable income at 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:53.440 your disposal to do that. So that's part of this evening 00:03:53.440 --> 00:03:57.520 is the... I just want people that are listening to the show just to really sit back and 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:59.880 think about what I'm going to say because 00:03:59.880 --> 00:04:04.640 I get my head into it a lot and it still strikes me as 00:04:04.640 --> 00:04:08.840 kind of mind-blowing when I read these things 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.160 and get into it in more depth and truly expose myself to it 00:04:13.160 --> 00:04:17.560 it just highlights to me how little most people probably know 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.840 or understand about what I'm going to say 00:04:20.840 --> 00:04:23.960 and I think the largest 00:04:23.960 --> 00:04:27.360 excuse that you hear from people is 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.960 "I'm too busy to get involved" and 00:04:30.960 --> 00:04:34.400 that's true enough, you know, most folks here are working two jobs 00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:38.000 sometimes people working three part-time jobs just to make ends meet 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.480 and the cost of everything is skyrocketed and 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:45.400 our attention is being captivated 00:04:45.400 --> 00:04:50.240 and by working so much so to make ends meet that we have 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:54.240 much less time now I think than in the past to get involved 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.040 in politics and to organize and steer 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.280 the government the way that we the people wanted to go 00:05:01.280 --> 00:05:04.680 and I think the opposite happens where we're completely 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:09.240 blindsided by the economics of the day that we live in and the debt 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.280 that most people live in that they just don't have the time 00:05:12.280 --> 00:05:15.560 or the want to get involved with politics 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.120 not understanding that it's the root cause of the reason that we're in the 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.080 debt and the poverty that we're in 00:05:21.080 --> 00:05:25.400 so it's very much up to us to get involved and 00:05:25.400 --> 00:05:28.880 getting involved with local government is probably the easiest first step that 00:05:28.880 --> 00:05:32.200 people can do to try and make positive change in their area 00:05:32.200 --> 00:05:35.560 and that's why I'm so pleased really to be in Humboldt 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.920 and this part of California anyway especially, there's a lot of 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:40.400 grassroots movements 00:05:40.400 --> 00:05:43.880 there's a lot of independent free-thinking people and there's a lot of 00:05:43.880 --> 00:05:46.040 people with a lot of talents sometimes they 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.080 don't get expressed as much as they could but 00:05:49.080 --> 00:05:52.760 ultimately there's a lot of people in this area largely 00:05:52.760 --> 00:05:56.000 that have a much more eclectic outlook 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.360 and a much more free thinking 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.480 and questioning and 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:06.040 you know examining kind of spirit in them which I think is very important in 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.160 order to keep 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:11.080 open society as open society and not 00:06:11.080 --> 00:06:16.120 controlled by the ever-increasing government that we have 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:19.480 so excuse me, Dr. Peat is on the line 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:24.160 and I know that most people who've listened to the show certainly 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:28.280 understand where Dr. Peat is coming from, he's a very 00:06:28.280 --> 00:06:33.080 open-minded free thinker who has spent most of his life 00:06:33.080 --> 00:06:36.680 in academia researching after doing his PhD 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.960 researching subjects that are increasingly 00:06:39.960 --> 00:06:45.080 being brought to light to be showing us a very different way to live 00:06:45.080 --> 00:06:49.640 and a very different perspective that he has on many different subjects so I 00:06:49.640 --> 00:06:50.680 will be 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:54.720 joined by Dr. Peat here in a moment I wanted to start with a 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.760 a kind of monologue that I drew up during yesterday 00:06:58.760 --> 00:07:02.040 and today as a kind of basis for the show 00:07:02.040 --> 00:07:05.400 but always I will get Dr. Peat's perspective on it because 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:09.680 it's very different from how you would normally think he would answer things 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:10.520 so I'd be 00:07:10.520 --> 00:07:13.720 quite interested to hear how he's going to respond 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:18.040 I never really plan this with him, we never really talk about how we're going 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.640 to answer the questions or 00:07:19.640 --> 00:07:22.920 what I'm going to say, what he's going to say, he's always very ad-lib 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.560 and extremely lucid, I think he's 81 or 82 now, maybe you'll 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:33.080 correct me when he comes on but he is more lucid and with it than a lot 00:07:33.080 --> 00:07:37.640 of 20 or 30 year olds academics that I've known and know 00:07:37.640 --> 00:07:41.400 so anyway what I wanted to say was that 00:07:41.400 --> 00:07:45.080 from an economic perspective then let's just look at greed 00:07:45.080 --> 00:07:49.480 coupled with runaway inflation and the resulting decline in spending power of 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.240 industrialized nations it fuels this chemically altered world 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.080 that we live in now this economic uphill struggle to 00:07:57.080 --> 00:08:00.600 support sustainability and organically raised foods 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.840 creates a sense of loss for an otherwise enhanced and healthy environment both 00:08:04.840 --> 00:08:07.960 psychologically and physically for us all 00:08:07.960 --> 00:08:11.720 so just bear with me on that for a second both psychologically and 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.400 physically for us all so it's a holistic approach 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:19.240 to this psychologically and physically now the cost of living 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:23.240 in real terms from 1950 to the present time for three particular metrics I'm 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:27.880 going to look at which are very standard in this day and age we can relate to it 00:08:27.880 --> 00:08:30.600 in the 1950s and we can relate to it today 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:34.280 one's average family income the second is an average car cost and the third is 00:08:34.280 --> 00:08:38.920 an average median house price okay so the 00:08:38.920 --> 00:08:44.040 in 1950 the average family income was three thousand three hundred dollars 00:08:44.040 --> 00:08:47.560 and the average car cost fifteen hundred dollars 00:08:47.560 --> 00:08:51.560 and the median house price was about seven thousand three hundred 00:08:51.560 --> 00:08:55.240 so your average car cost would be half of your 00:08:55.240 --> 00:09:00.040 average income and your average house price would be just over two times 00:09:00.040 --> 00:09:04.840 your family income that was back in 1950 now when you hear people talking you 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:07.480 hear the 20 year olds or 30 year old millennials 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.360 talking about price of living the cost of things and 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:13.880 their parents saying well in our day it was a lot cheaper and their parents 00:09:13.880 --> 00:09:17.480 parents their grandparents saying it was even better in our day 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:22.680 when America was great and I know it was it's not so great now unfortunately 00:09:22.680 --> 00:09:25.720 folks but that's that's another subject so from the 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.400 30s to the 50s things were really doing very well for the 00:09:29.400 --> 00:09:33.400 states and from the 50s even to 70s things were going really well 00:09:33.400 --> 00:09:39.720 around about 1973 things started rapidly increasing in price and the 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.840 average wealth of people started rapidly declining 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.040 and it's funny when you look at the national debt 00:09:46.040 --> 00:09:51.960 that also took a rapid spike actually much more around the 90s but 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:56.360 after the oil problems in the 70s and the price of gold 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.720 being fairly high and then you'll find that things started shifting 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:06.200 as various other products became this kind of leading market 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:11.000 dominators so anyway those three costs the average income for the home 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.880 sorry the average income 3,300 the average car was 1,500 and the average 00:10:15.880 --> 00:10:19.720 median sorry median house price was 7,300 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:23.640 so now these important metrics allow relative comparisons across time now 00:10:23.640 --> 00:10:28.440 when we form ratios from them so the home price income against income is 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:33.400 2.2 and the car cost against income was 0.45 00:10:33.400 --> 00:10:38.200 now in 2014 the US Census Bureau showed these following values the average 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:43.400 family income was 51,000 the average car cost 31,000 00:10:43.400 --> 00:10:47.240 and the median home price was now 188,000 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:51.080 so as a as a ratio here an index the home price 00:10:51.080 --> 00:10:57.960 to income has suddenly gone to 3.7 which is 1.68 times what it was in 1950 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.320 so no wonder people can't get on the housing ladder and this was the same 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:05.240 when I was I was young in the 80s I know that then 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.040 people were just able to get onto the housing 00:11:08.040 --> 00:11:11.720 market ladder and by the 1990s it was becoming very 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.600 obvious that it was getting very expensive to get your initial down 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:18.600 payment from mortgage anyway in England that previously had been quite 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:23.400 attainable by people 20 or 30 years ago 00:11:23.400 --> 00:11:27.400 okay the uh the engineer is telling me there's a caller on the line 00:11:27.400 --> 00:11:31.320 well uh let's let's just let's go with the caller as you see here but 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:34.360 generally I wouldn't but let's take this call let's call away from and what's your 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:38.360 question oh yeah greetings from San Francisco okay 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.160 what's your question caller well a couple of different things I was 00:11:41.160 --> 00:11:47.480 gonna I heard you talking about the uh standard of living from 1973 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:52.120 and that corresponds to a point when Richard Nixon took us off the gold 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:55.720 standard and I'm wondering uh you I don't know if 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.400 you've ever uh interviewed Frances Moore Lappe uh 00:11:59.400 --> 00:12:03.560 she wrote the book uh food first you know the myth of 00:12:03.560 --> 00:12:06.680 scarcity and there's a section in there where 00:12:06.680 --> 00:12:11.720 she describes that when Nixon took us off the gold standard 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.320 all of a sudden the rich of the world figured out that 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:19.000 uh they better invest in tangible things which would 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:25.800 be uh hedges against inflation and so they started uh buying land 00:12:25.800 --> 00:12:30.520 and and specifically buying the highest quality land 00:12:30.520 --> 00:12:36.280 uh in order to have the highest uh hedge against inflation and so for 00:12:36.280 --> 00:12:42.120 example the starvation in Bangladesh was because the super rich of the world 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:46.520 started buying uh the agricultural land at the foothills 00:12:46.520 --> 00:12:50.280 of the Himalayas and they drove millions of people off the 00:12:50.280 --> 00:12:55.160 land so that uh you know they I think uh they say that 00:12:55.160 --> 00:12:58.520 the erosion off the Himalayas is going to 00:12:58.520 --> 00:13:04.040 go on for another 10,000 years and so all of that uh erosion is going 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:07.720 to turn into uh good topsoil with foot of the 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.160 Himalayas and so that's going to be the best 00:13:11.160 --> 00:13:14.280 agricultural land in that region of the world 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:18.040 and so uh to to feed the people out there they'd 00:13:18.040 --> 00:13:21.560 better buy that land and so the starvation in 00:13:21.560 --> 00:13:25.640 Bangladesh was because all of those farmers were driven down to the ocean 00:13:25.640 --> 00:13:29.080 where they were not familiar with with gaining 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:35.080 lifestyle or anything like that so uh the that was specifically tied to 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:39.240 the uh Nixon removing the U.S. dollar from 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.640 the gold standard in I think that was 1972. There's another 00:13:43.640 --> 00:13:47.720 book that also gives some attribution to that and that's called the Making of the 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.160 President series and uh that Making of the President 00:13:51.160 --> 00:13:56.840 series if you look for the one for 1972 that also talks about the re-election 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.320 year of Richard Nixon and it if you look in the index under gold 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.560 uh it uh it gives a very similar breakdown on 00:14:05.560 --> 00:14:12.680 uh on the economy and as it becomes basically uh very manipulated 00:14:12.680 --> 00:14:16.120 the other thing I was going to raise and my ears perked up when you were talking 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.000 about um you know people having deliveries 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:22.840 Amazon and whatnot uh if you read old books you know 100 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:28.040 year old books 50 year old books uh you know biographies of the 30s or 00:14:28.040 --> 00:14:32.360 anything like that a whole lot of people especially kids 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:37.240 orphaned kids uh were making money being like delivery boys 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.320 uh they'd go down to the grocery store and deliver packages and groceries for 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.480 the um you know the little old ladies or 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:49.000 whatever they'd make uh you know decent little income for a teenage kid 00:14:49.000 --> 00:14:53.640 was being a delivery boy and uh the only trouble with Amazon doing 00:14:53.640 --> 00:14:59.320 that is they're doing it on a global uh in a global sense and so 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:06.280 the the you know the new generation of kids are no longer able to 00:15:06.280 --> 00:15:09.960 make money on the side uh being delivery boys 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.560 and what's even worse with Amazon is is that the payment is done 00:15:13.560 --> 00:15:19.240 electronically which means that uh every small town that gets delivery 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:24.520 that money is sucked out of town right away it no longer stays in 00:15:24.520 --> 00:15:28.440 you know in uh Ukiah it no longer stays in 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:33.960 in uh you know Shreveport Louisiana or anywhere else it that money gets sucked 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:39.400 to the corporate headquarters of Amazon yeah and so the local economy is 00:15:39.400 --> 00:15:43.480 decimated uh where a delivery boy becomes a stable 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:47.480 part of the local economy when Amazon takes over something as 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:51.560 mundane as delivery driving uh that all of a sudden 00:15:51.560 --> 00:15:55.720 creates a colony economics yeah well i was going to get into the uh the 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:59.240 whole point of uh wages in real terms and the 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.680 importance of local supporting local economies because local 00:16:02.680 --> 00:16:07.000 economies are not controlled by central government and we have much 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:12.360 more say in a local economy driven uh environment so uh thank 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.280 you thank you for that call i don't generally take calls before 7 30 so 00:16:16.280 --> 00:16:19.560 i was kind of a little bit caught out but i don't normally like to turn people 00:16:19.560 --> 00:16:23.720 down so let me just um briefly say that the number to reach 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:28.520 uh 7 30 on if you'd like to call is 9 2 3 3 9 1 1 00:16:28.520 --> 00:16:34.280 for the local area and as we always have found not just in California but 00:16:34.280 --> 00:16:38.840 from the west east coast people have called in before now and outside of 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:42.360 the USA from Australia to Helsinki and Finland 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:46.040 we've had callers but anyway there's an 800 number which is 1 800 00:16:46.040 --> 00:16:50.120 568 3723 and we can be reached on the web too 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:53.560 so dr pete will be joining us fairly soon i just wanted to get through with 00:16:53.560 --> 00:16:57.480 what i started as an introduction here um i just wanted to get at the point 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:01.160 that the cost of living has rapidly increased 00:17:01.160 --> 00:17:05.000 and one other thing in 1950 at the university of Pennsylvania 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:11.640 annual tuition was 600 so the tuition to income ratio there was 0.18 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.640 current tuition is 40 000 a year and the tuition to income ratio now 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.880 is 0.79 it's 4.3 times and student loans 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.080 are fueling all of that so this massive increase in student loans 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:27.320 and debt amounts to about a trillion dollars at 00:17:27.320 --> 00:17:30.040 present which in in and of itself may show us 00:17:30.040 --> 00:17:35.960 as a crisis in time to come us total debt in 2001 was 28 trillion 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:40.440 folks in 2012 it was 68 trillion 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:47.400 with global debt now get this global debt is currently at 217 trillion or 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:54.920 over 327 percent of global gdp so three times 00:17:54.920 --> 00:18:00.760 three times the annual complete output would not pay for the debt 00:18:00.760 --> 00:18:04.200 um so according to the economic policy institute 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.480 entry-level wages of male and female college graduates 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.520 has remained the same since 1973 so if you had a college graduate 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:17.240 you had a graduate degree in 73 you'd be entering the market at the same kind of 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:22.920 wage as you'd be entering the market now with a 4.3 times increase in this cost 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:27.240 to get your education but more disconcertingly the 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.640 entry entry level wages for male and female high school graduates 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:36.360 from 73 to 2011 has dropped dramatically from 16 an hour 00:18:36.360 --> 00:18:44.920 16 an hour in 73 to 12 an hour now so between that time from 73 to now 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:49.000 it's dropped four dollars and in real terms everything is at least 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.560 double if not more so why is this relevant then you might ask yourself or 00:18:53.560 --> 00:18:56.040 ask your doctor to have this as a subject but it's 00:18:56.040 --> 00:19:00.040 very relevant as a disposal income disposable income 00:19:00.040 --> 00:19:03.720 we have as employees or self-employed producers of goods or services 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.000 is what we use to make lifestyle choices that ultimately 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.480 has a ripple effect across the world now sustainable agriculture and animal 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.600 farming practices using organic production methods 00:19:14.600 --> 00:19:19.640 should create the best product possible without a doubt hands down no equals 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:24.360 it's only that this classification is now used as a trendy phrase for what was 00:19:24.360 --> 00:19:27.640 commonly done prior to the industrialization of foods 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:31.960 and from the 1900s on has itself fallen in some cases victim 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.480 to the greed and corruption plaguing non-organic production 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:39.240 especially mass production of organic products including but not limited to 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:42.040 milk production which is what i'll get into with dr p 00:19:42.040 --> 00:19:46.760 in just a minute so it has both a psychological and physical effect a 00:19:46.760 --> 00:19:49.640 truly holistic unifying theorem which for 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.080 economics sake and greed is being reduced to the lowest 00:19:53.080 --> 00:19:57.000 common denominator a given form by massive corporate 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:00.440 control of agribusiness and truly unimaginable scale production of 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.200 corporate food globally from animal factory farming to mega 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.320 arable farming none of which is organically produced and all of which 00:20:07.320 --> 00:20:13.080 is degrading the environment so dr p are you there with us 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:17.480 yes hello hi thanks thanks for joining us well we had an early caller there and 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.440 i was actually wanting to get your take on what he'd said i don't know if you 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.560 heard his question and you don't have to answer it but um 00:20:23.560 --> 00:20:27.800 i guess first things first can i just get you to outline your 00:20:27.800 --> 00:20:31.320 academic and professional background and career for those people who perhaps have 00:20:31.320 --> 00:20:35.800 never heard you um yeah i did my undergraduate study 00:20:35.800 --> 00:20:43.000 at 1953 to 56 and i had a summer job where i made five hundred dollars 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:47.480 and with a tuition scholarship that paid for my nine months of 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:51.400 schooling every year wow and i looked at the prices 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.920 recently and uh it was about at least 20 times more expensive 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:02.120 i i couldn't afford to go to school currently 00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:08.520 or was something that uh real really um average and low income 00:21:08.520 --> 00:21:13.320 people could afford in the 1950s i wasn't going to ask you 00:21:13.320 --> 00:21:16.760 this but i mean i don't mean i don't mean it rudely in any way but how you 00:21:16.760 --> 00:21:20.280 are 81 or 81 yeah okay so now you would be a 00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:23.480 good candidate to ask this question because you've been around for 81 years 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.680 right which is um which is pretty respectable in its own 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.520 right now you've obviously seen uh yeah and i wasn't going to ask you this 00:21:30.520 --> 00:21:32.680 but we i'd love you to answer it because 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.840 you've seen it and been through it but uh you've seen the economic change in 00:21:36.840 --> 00:21:41.320 america here over the last 80 years and the cost of things increase the way 00:21:41.320 --> 00:21:43.960 they have what do you think about um what i 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:47.720 mentioned earlier in the show is the intro for the kind of median house price 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:51.560 um the average car price and then the average wage 00:21:51.560 --> 00:21:55.560 and and what you think about um high school uh graduates 00:21:55.560 --> 00:21:59.720 losing four dollars an hour from 1973 to net now let alone 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.640 getting any kind of increase to account for inflation and then graduate students 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.840 are still on the same hourly wage from 73 as they are to now 00:22:06.840 --> 00:22:10.040 how do you feel about the economics and then we'll get into 00:22:10.040 --> 00:22:13.800 i think what i wanted to question you about 00:22:13.800 --> 00:22:20.280 a lot of popular culture has to do with keeping people from realizing that 00:22:20.280 --> 00:22:23.560 things are getting worse and worse good point good point 00:22:23.560 --> 00:22:29.560 um the for example you were mentioning the the average income those are 00:22:29.560 --> 00:22:36.520 actually the median income uh the actual per capita average 00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:41.880 income in the u.s for for one person is uh fifty eight or fifty nine thousand 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:47.160 dollars a year for a family of 2.54 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:54.440 people the average household size the average family income then is almost 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:59.560 150 000 here but since newspapers and 00:22:59.560 --> 00:23:04.200 almost everyone refers to the average income 00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:11.240 actually using the median income which uh it neglects the the vast 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.200 incomes that the upper one or two percent are making 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:21.320 right yeah interesting and um since the the gold standard was thrown 00:23:21.320 --> 00:23:25.240 out uh the government has had to uh to to 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:30.360 keep the illusion going uh they're increasingly hiding 00:23:30.360 --> 00:23:37.160 information they used to give out the uh figures for the money supply a few 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.760 years ago they stopped giving out much of the 00:23:40.760 --> 00:23:47.000 information that had been routine so uh the reason the stock market 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:52.600 seems to be going up it is really because the government is pumping money 00:23:52.600 --> 00:23:56.120 into it basically correct by printing the money yeah 00:23:56.120 --> 00:23:59.640 phony money this is by having central banks are basically 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:05.000 able to print money without any of any any penalty basically the money's 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.640 worthless and yet we're people are still buying it people are 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:12.600 still buying us treasury bonds um still buying us debt and debt and the 00:24:12.600 --> 00:24:15.000 oil uh oil is still pegged the dollar which is 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.240 why the whole petrodollar thing was coming under scrutiny it still 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:22.760 is and that the chinese were perhaps trying to break away from it and i know 00:24:22.760 --> 00:24:26.920 that's in a lot of conspiracy circles at least the reason why 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:32.600 muhammad gaddafi basically was wanting his population to be free and he was 00:24:32.600 --> 00:24:36.680 socializing them and the muslim population there was being very 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:41.000 westernized and actually not at all radicalized and how 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:44.280 he was going to use uh fairly large reserves of gold that he 00:24:44.280 --> 00:24:47.640 had um to go back to the gold standard and get into 00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:51.480 trading oil in libya uh with gold and actually 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.840 i think starting to encourage the other arab nations to do the same and this is 00:24:54.840 --> 00:24:56.760 when he was taken out and this is the whole 00:24:56.760 --> 00:25:01.000 it was the same with saddam hussein he was trying to get off the 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.160 yeah petrodollar and venezuela is doing the same exactly 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.520 exactly and look at them they've all been either be taken over or their 00:25:08.520 --> 00:25:13.160 government's been supplanted or the country's been thrown into civil war 00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:17.240 yeah okay so i guess without getting too far off the topic 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.680 um looking at looking at the cost of everything 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:26.600 um as human beings you know i mean i i'd like to believe i'd like to believe that 00:25:26.600 --> 00:25:30.120 the bulk of people have got good intentions the bulk of people 00:25:30.120 --> 00:25:34.520 are not uh just warlike uh grab as much as they can 00:25:34.520 --> 00:25:38.040 evil despotic people who do anything to get above the next person 00:25:38.040 --> 00:25:41.240 and that we have probably more than ever um 00:25:41.320 --> 00:25:45.400 and a consciousness uh of the world that we live in which wants to try 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.880 and level the playing field between the poor and the rich because it's such a 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:54.040 huge gulf now with so few people earning so much and the 00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:58.840 rest of the population um basically being i think their cost of 00:25:58.840 --> 00:26:05.080 little the standard living being lowered in real terms um so looking at 00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:08.280 um i know i read your newsletter and you mentioned in part of it 00:26:08.280 --> 00:26:14.920 um fernandeski and um uh tayyar the shahdan 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:21.240 starting the concepts of the noosphere and the biosphere and so as organisms as 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:26.600 human beings you know we are living in this biosphere and um very 00:26:26.600 --> 00:26:30.920 much subject to the stresses uh that we get 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:35.640 um you know that made known to us either through television or advertising or 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.880 obviously debt and i think debt is at this point has the biggest chain around 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:44.600 most people's necks that stops them looking sideways um 00:26:44.600 --> 00:26:50.920 relating to fernandeski he was um looking at the 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:59.160 the planet as a metabolic system uh the biosphere was he saw the soil 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:04.600 and the atmosphere and the solar energy being converted to 00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:10.760 uh to food and living substance um 00:27:10.760 --> 00:27:18.920 his concept really saw carbon dioxide as a promoter of life 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.800 and increasing the uh the quality of living 00:27:23.800 --> 00:27:30.600 and the i i see the uh the current uh fear of carbon dioxide as partly a 00:27:30.600 --> 00:27:36.680 distraction from the actual pollution of deforestation 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:42.120 it's uh one of the major uh causes of the carbon dioxide increase 00:27:42.120 --> 00:27:49.880 but uh it's actually doing much actually doing damage rather than uh 00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.880 the um carbon dioxide increase that they're talking about 00:27:53.880 --> 00:28:00.760 it's uh degrading the rivers uh the uh the oceans are being degraded by 00:28:00.760 --> 00:28:05.480 the uh petroleum spills and chemical 00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:10.920 runoff from from the uh use of uh mass 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:18.440 chemicals in agriculture but the um the propaganda machine for example 00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:25.560 the website political a big it's uh it was funded by 00:28:25.560 --> 00:28:33.080 the uh money from the biggest bank in washington dc and it represents the 00:28:33.080 --> 00:28:39.400 ruling class ideology an article that was came out on 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:45.080 political a few weeks ago was written by a mathematician saying that 00:28:45.080 --> 00:28:51.240 he had demonstrated that the rising carbon dioxide was going to 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:55.560 degrade the food supply by stimulating 00:28:55.560 --> 00:29:00.280 the growth of plants and and his reasoning was that 00:29:00.280 --> 00:29:04.600 it was based on a complete upside down version 00:29:04.600 --> 00:29:08.840 of what happens when you shine light on plankton 00:29:08.840 --> 00:29:12.360 it stimulates the growth of the of the plant 00:29:12.360 --> 00:29:19.560 part the algae and uh absorbs carbon dioxide and uh 00:29:19.560 --> 00:29:23.800 suppresses the growth of the animal part of the plankton 00:29:23.800 --> 00:29:29.560 and he said that that was analogous to the stimulation of plant 00:29:29.560 --> 00:29:34.680 growth by carbon dioxide but what actually happens 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:42.040 in in the uh the first part of his explanation the um the plant growth 00:29:42.040 --> 00:29:48.280 stimulation by carbon by the sunlight steals carbon dioxide that would make 00:29:48.280 --> 00:29:52.520 minerals available to the animals so it's the 00:29:52.520 --> 00:29:57.560 carbon dioxide deficiency that he started from to argue 00:29:57.560 --> 00:30:00.840 that a carbon dioxide excess would do the same thing 00:30:00.840 --> 00:30:07.720 so he was completely unbiological and and backwards in his reasoning but 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:14.520 that went around many other media picked it up 00:30:14.520 --> 00:30:20.840 and argued that it's really degrading the food supply to stimulate 00:30:20.840 --> 00:30:26.120 growth with carbon dioxide but vernadsky was exactly right the carbon 00:30:26.120 --> 00:30:30.600 dioxide is part of the soil forming 00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:36.680 process the plants secrete acids from their roots to dissolve 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:41.480 minerals but the carbon dioxide carried into the soil 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:46.120 from the atmosphere is part of the process of 00:30:46.120 --> 00:30:53.960 making minerals more available to plant so the 00:30:53.960 --> 00:31:01.480 the mass media are are still promoting myths to uh 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:09.880 to confuse the uh the argument uh make people 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:15.400 worry about a fault process and get them looking in your real 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.360 pollution i think what you said captured that when 00:31:18.360 --> 00:31:23.480 you mentioned the uh the fact that it's in the american government's machine 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.480 interest to uh steer people away from looking too 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:32.040 hard in the right direction and not publishing a lot of figures that 00:31:32.040 --> 00:31:35.560 you mentioned in terms of financial fiscal figures 00:31:35.560 --> 00:31:38.760 especially to do with government debt well we hear about the government debt a 00:31:38.760 --> 00:31:43.080 lot but there's a lot of other features of banking and finance that we 00:31:43.080 --> 00:31:46.840 don't hear about these days that used to be published and i think 00:31:46.840 --> 00:31:51.800 i was thinking when that caller called in about nixon and the gold stand in 72 00:31:51.800 --> 00:31:56.280 that nixon got taken out not long after long after being involved 00:31:56.280 --> 00:32:00.440 in politics by that watergate scandal which is nothing compared to 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.800 what's going on now what has happened in the last few years it would make 00:32:03.800 --> 00:32:07.800 watergate look like a complete tea party 00:32:07.800 --> 00:32:12.920 okay so you're listening to ask your doctor on uh 91.1 fm 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.720 uh from now until the end of the show eight o'clock you're invited to call in 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.120 the questions either related or unrelated to this month's mixed topic of 00:32:20.120 --> 00:32:25.960 economics organic production and uh holistic 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:29.320 ways of being really in terms of uh finding out 00:32:29.320 --> 00:32:33.720 the information and making uh real proper life choices 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:38.280 so if you're in the area 93 391 1 or as an 800 number which is 1 800 00:32:38.280 --> 00:32:45.800 568 3723 1 800 km ud rad as a doctor p i wanted to talk a little 00:32:45.800 --> 00:32:49.240 bit more about the economic side of it i was thinking 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.800 earlier that in terms of real wages 00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:57.800 in terms of what is the disposable part of your income 00:32:57.800 --> 00:33:01.880 and what it is that we do as people with our disposable income 00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:07.960 and knowing that i think most people um maybe it's just maybe it's just me 00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.080 maybe i'm just coming from a single-sided perspective here but i 00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:14.600 would have thought most people would think that certified 00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:19.000 organic production is the better option over industrialized 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:24.520 farming and that certified soil practices are better for the 00:33:24.520 --> 00:33:29.560 earth and that sustainable and local derived products 00:33:29.560 --> 00:33:33.480 are better for the environment in general and that with our disposable 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.600 income we could put our money where our mouth is 00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:40.280 and buy those things and support those ideals and those products and boycott 00:33:40.280 --> 00:33:43.160 those mega corporations that we don't want to 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.520 do business with but that the actual real cost of our 00:33:46.520 --> 00:33:50.200 disposable income has gone down so much and the government i think 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:54.280 largely through not releasing these kind of figures to make it obvious to us 00:33:54.280 --> 00:33:57.560 have really kept their kept a lot of people in the dark and i 00:33:57.560 --> 00:34:01.480 think when so many people are burdened with student loans where 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.360 they've gone through an education that's basically worthless 00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:07.640 and they spent thousands and thousands of dollars trying to 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.440 study something that hopefully they had a passion for in the first place and 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.640 they weren't just looking for a better wage from a higher power job 00:34:13.640 --> 00:34:16.840 but they suddenly find themselves in a marketplace with thousands of 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.800 thousands of other qualified people all earning 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.840 a vastly lower wage than they were in the 70s 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:26.440 and with much greater debt than they ever had before 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:31.000 so what do you what do you think of that? 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:36.360 Even the health statistics for example longevity 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:45.240 and disease incidence these are being falsified. In the 90s 00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:49.640 the government declared that it had won the war on cancer 00:34:49.640 --> 00:34:56.520 and at the time 94 I pointed out that the secretary of 00:34:56.520 --> 00:35:03.400 health was using phony statistics and looking at the figures 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.880 I predicted that they would have to change the rules by the end of the 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:12.280 century because the way they were falsifying the 00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.680 statistics the arrival of the baby boom 00:35:16.680 --> 00:35:23.080 population bulge by the year 2000 the cancer rate 00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:27.880 of this huge population bulge was going to make it impossible to 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:33.240 to keep up the illusion that longevity was increasing the cancer 00:35:33.240 --> 00:35:37.480 was decreasing and so on and exactly I think it was the year 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.920 2000 the U.S. Bureau of Statistics 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:47.240 changed the rules and stopped giving out the raw figures 00:35:47.240 --> 00:35:54.520 and have only age standardized figures on on health and longevity and 00:35:54.520 --> 00:36:01.000 age-specific death rates and so on so so people are are really 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.480 being put into a dream world in which nothing is real. 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.680 We do have a caller let's get this next caller before we continue that thread 00:36:10.680 --> 00:36:13.400 caller you're on the air where you from what's your question? 00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.760 Hello. Hi you're on the air what's your question away from? 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:22.440 I'm from Bloxburg area. Okay what's your question? 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.160 I just get lost. Can you hear me now? Hello. 00:36:27.160 --> 00:36:31.240 Yeah go ahead what's your question? Yes I had a medical question it 00:36:31.240 --> 00:36:34.600 doesn't it somewhat pertains to what you're talking about but is that all 00:36:34.600 --> 00:36:39.240 right to ask a question? Sure go ahead. Hello. Yeah go ahead can you 00:36:39.240 --> 00:36:43.560 not hear me? Yes I had called back 00:36:43.560 --> 00:36:49.240 years ago and I had this lump on my neck and Dr. Peat suggested eating 00:36:49.240 --> 00:36:54.680 carrots and other things and not going to any kind of a CAT scan or 00:36:54.680 --> 00:36:57.880 anything like that so this went on for years and it ended up being a cancer 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:01.000 tumor and I had it removed in Mexico and then 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.760 and then came up here and went through chemo and radiation 00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.840 and my my medical question was is a year later now 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:14.600 I was cutting a small amount of poison oak and I thought I had poison oak on me 00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:18.760 and all of a sudden this huge rash went over my shoulder and down around the 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:23.560 area where the tumor was and fortunately my girlfriend had gone 00:37:23.560 --> 00:37:26.600 online and like you're mentioning the information online 00:37:26.600 --> 00:37:32.440 and saw that maybe it was shingles which I had no idea about right and I 00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.920 wonder if Dr. Peat could talk a little bit about 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.680 about that and if that actually was related to 00:37:38.680 --> 00:37:43.720 the radiation treatment and chemo. Sure will lower your resistance for sure and 00:37:43.720 --> 00:37:47.400 shingles can be reactivated chickenpox at any point in a person's life 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.600 especially if you're under stress. I wanted to ask you Cora first things 00:37:50.600 --> 00:37:54.200 first before going further what was the cancer that they 00:37:54.200 --> 00:37:59.640 identified? You know I'm so confused with names but 00:37:59.640 --> 00:38:04.280 it was some sort of a skin type cancer 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.280 so it's unusual for this lump to be there and it took 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:15.080 it took about 12 to 15 years to develop into this 00:38:15.080 --> 00:38:19.960 massive lump on my neck that was actually breaking out and coming out of 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.880 out of my skin. So it was a benign cancer in some in some terms and it wasn't 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.240 metastasizing it wasn't spreading it took 12 years to evolve and 00:38:27.240 --> 00:38:31.880 yes and then finally it got so bad that that local doctors wouldn't touch it or 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.160 try to cut it cut it out so I had to go through chemo and all these different 00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:38.280 things but it's somewhat much better now a little 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.720 swelling there okay and I was just wondering if that 00:38:41.720 --> 00:38:47.080 had something to do with the shingles or if I should go and consult a doctor 00:38:47.080 --> 00:38:51.880 it's going away now after about a week but it looks just like a bad case of 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.520 poison oak. Okay was it extremely sensitive to the 00:38:54.520 --> 00:38:58.040 touch? Very sensitive but not very itchy like 00:38:58.040 --> 00:39:01.640 poison oak would have been. Was it in a defined I'll just jump in very 00:39:01.640 --> 00:39:04.280 quickly before I let Dr. Peat answer but I'm just kind of 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.720 interested. Well Dr. Peat probably won't agree with 00:39:07.720 --> 00:39:12.760 this even I've always been taught that shingles is a defined dermatoma 00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:18.840 area that can along the length of the nerve erupt into vesicular outbreak but 00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:22.200 Dr. Peat let me let me ask you because I know you've got a probably a very 00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:25.960 different approach to what this gentleman was talking about. 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:32.760 Well just in case it's actually poison oak I had the experience 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.240 in my teens of being extremely sensitive to poison oak 00:39:37.240 --> 00:39:40.520 I was working in the woods for the Bureau of 00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:46.120 Land Management and could hardly stand 00:39:46.120 --> 00:39:52.840 my sleep was interrupted by extreme poison oak and the word went around 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.800 the camp that vitamin c which was new on the market 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:03.880 it was just fairly expensive coming out in 50 milligram tablets 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.960 the word went around that vitamin c protected against poison oak 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:11.720 and so at the end of the week I bought a bottle 00:40:11.720 --> 00:40:18.520 took a few tablets 50 or 100 milligrams and suddenly the poison oak disappeared 00:40:18.520 --> 00:40:21.880 and I never had it again 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:28.280 about 65 years later. Yeah I'm not I'm not really sensitive to poison oak 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.640 I've been here for about 40 years I get it just 00:40:31.640 --> 00:40:37.080 just a little bit but it was like just a little bit and by a day or two 00:40:37.080 --> 00:40:40.840 later my whole shoulder and down my back 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.360 turned into these huge bubbles these blackening bubbles 00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:48.760 and I've been familiar with poison oak usually it's blotchy and if you itch it 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:53.240 gets worse and worse but this was like just a takeover of my skin and 00:40:53.240 --> 00:40:59.160 is that very uh I I had that form of a bubbly and crispy 00:40:59.160 --> 00:41:03.160 crust yeah yeah just tear all down my back and stuff 00:41:03.160 --> 00:41:07.640 but on one on one side of my body though it's not on any other place just 00:41:07.640 --> 00:41:11.160 all over the one side shoulder underneath my neck 00:41:11.160 --> 00:41:15.000 down my chest a bit and and now now it's getting better 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.080 we've been I've been eating organically for years and years so 00:41:19.080 --> 00:41:23.880 I assumed that my diet really helped and then we put like witch hazel on there to 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:28.440 to calm it down and some neem oil and other things so 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:33.160 is it is it something that you should pay a lot of attention to later on 00:41:33.160 --> 00:41:37.000 or is will it go away and just be gone um 00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.800 if it's a poison oak it's possible that you'll never 00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:49.000 suffer from it again if it's a virus shingles yeah I think it is 00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:55.960 a good idea to have your vitamin d level checked vitamin d is a very 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.000 powerful antiviral it regulates 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:09.240 all the levels of your immune system and uh your serum level should be 00:42:09.240 --> 00:42:14.120 in the middle of the range around 50 nanograms per milliliter 00:42:14.120 --> 00:42:19.640 okay okay well we do have two yeah you're very much I appreciate that yeah 00:42:19.640 --> 00:42:22.200 I appreciate your call caller we've got two more callers so 00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:26.600 let's take the next caller call away from what's your question 00:42:26.600 --> 00:42:31.000 hello yeah you're on the air where are you from and what's your question 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.640 hi I'm from the New York City area okay and what's your question 00:42:35.640 --> 00:42:42.440 I was wondering uh if Dr. Peat had any advice on finding 00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:49.480 dentists to use the filling materials he recommends which from what I read was 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:56.520 calcium oxide for root canals and soros and then for regular fillings 00:42:56.520 --> 00:43:03.400 and and how should I understand the importance of those materials 00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:06.360 Dr. Peat filling material for teeth what's your 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:12.120 current for the root canal I think the calcium 00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:21.080 the it's antiseptic and anesthetic and uh it's a traditional but 00:43:21.080 --> 00:43:30.200 safer than than the gutta percha or metal fillings and I think the 00:43:30.200 --> 00:43:37.640 the composite fillings are now high enough in strength that they're 00:43:37.640 --> 00:43:42.200 good for even the chewing teeth 00:43:42.200 --> 00:43:47.880 okay do you have any advice on finding dentists to use those because I 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.880 think I've emailed like dozens of people and haven't found much 00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:58.680 results of that um I've for about 50 years had all my 00:43:58.680 --> 00:44:06.200 industry done in Mexico because they emphasize skill dexterity 00:44:06.200 --> 00:44:12.520 and uh care rather than speed and profit 00:44:12.520 --> 00:44:15.560 so it could be worth it could be worth a trip to Mexico purely for dentistry I 00:44:15.560 --> 00:44:19.640 know lots of people do it for medical issues like surgeries but 00:44:19.640 --> 00:44:22.920 okay well we do have another caller on the air let's get this next caller 00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:26.360 so call hello yeah where are you from and what's your question yes 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:31.480 I'm from Phillipsville and um more than a question I have a comment 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:36.040 um the fellow that was talking about uh getting poison oak and then it 00:44:36.040 --> 00:44:39.880 turning into shingles but he talked about having cancer having 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.040 this lump that uh that that grew and became very 00:44:44.040 --> 00:44:48.440 large um and he had to have all kinds of uh 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.440 cancer therapies to get rid of it and you made a comment saying that it 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.480 would because it hadn't metastasized you refer to it as a benign 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.920 cancer that's an oxymoron there is no such 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:05.960 thing as benign cancer there is a benign tumor but the but 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:10.040 benign means it's not cancer self-contained 00:45:10.040 --> 00:45:16.120 and it's cancer they call it malignant if it's a lump that is been that is not 00:45:16.120 --> 00:45:20.120 cancer they call it benign so there's no such thing as benign cancer 00:45:20.120 --> 00:45:24.520 so what were you talking about okay well I don't need to go there with 00:45:24.520 --> 00:45:27.240 that I don't need to defend myself what was that 00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:30.200 I don't I don't think I need to defend myself with that 00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:33.560 thanks you don't think you need to explain why you referred to cancer as 00:45:33.560 --> 00:45:36.520 benign when there's no such thing well if you 00:45:36.520 --> 00:45:40.920 look at if you look at moles moles are cancers but they are benign 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.760 uh when there's a pre-cancerous condition 00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.640 which hasn't developed into cancer but if it's cancer it's malignant it's not 00:45:49.640 --> 00:45:57.160 benign a lot of the language used medically in relation to cancer 00:45:57.160 --> 00:46:06.520 has been to promote the business of of the oncologist 50 or 60 years ago 00:46:06.520 --> 00:46:12.680 cancers were things that were definitely 00:46:12.680 --> 00:46:17.080 identified as benign the language was escalated 00:46:17.080 --> 00:46:22.120 so that something which formerly was not cancer was called 00:46:22.120 --> 00:46:31.560 pre-cancer and then cancer the if you use the language of 1940 00:46:31.560 --> 00:46:38.040 many cancers wouldn't exist that are now officially named as as a cancer 00:46:38.040 --> 00:46:41.480 and treatable does they refer to cancer as malignant 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:50.040 and a tumor that's not cancer as benign um an article in jama about 40 years ago 00:46:50.040 --> 00:46:57.240 uh looked at the evidence of uh the pathology methods 00:46:57.240 --> 00:47:02.040 of analyzing the properties of the cytoplasm 00:47:02.040 --> 00:47:08.840 nucleus ratio and uh the the matter of disorganization and 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:17.480 invasion and so on and in this article it was demonstrated that a healing wound 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:21.800 if it's biopsied will show all of the properties 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:28.680 that are used by the pathologist to identify cancer so 00:47:28.680 --> 00:47:34.120 that what is defined as cancer has become more inclusive and if you 00:47:34.120 --> 00:47:38.440 happen to have an injury that gets biopsied 00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:42.040 it'll be called cancer because it has the properties of 00:47:42.040 --> 00:47:49.800 of rapid growth uh invasive appearance and so on well then 00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:55.320 is that benign or malignant this this article was pointing out that 00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.320 you can't tell that the only way you can tell if 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:03.720 something is going to be malignant is wait and see 00:48:03.720 --> 00:48:08.120 well this is telling you not to go to the doctor when his lump was small 00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:12.040 and he took your advice and it grew and grew and grew and became 00:48:12.040 --> 00:48:16.840 cancer and he had to have all kinds of of difficult therapy they couldn't even 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.120 remove it he had to have chemotherapy to shrink it before they could even remove 00:48:20.120 --> 00:48:22.360 it why did you tell him not to go to a doctor 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.560 when he first had it i don't remember uh saying that i don't think i ever 00:48:27.560 --> 00:48:31.080 tell people not to go to doctors i don't think he did either i 00:48:31.080 --> 00:48:35.240 think i misunderstood them because i thought he said he had spoken with you 00:48:35.240 --> 00:48:39.000 uh when he first got it and that you had told him not to go to a doctor 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:43.240 i never tell people not to go to doctors but i tell them to 00:48:43.240 --> 00:48:46.920 think and question what the doctor tells them to do 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.840 well all right well thanks thanks for the call it sounds like a 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.200 more of a battle of words here okay we've got two more calls uh 00:48:54.200 --> 00:48:58.280 so let's say next call a call away from what's your question i'm in white thorn 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.720 i have a comment and a question my first comment 00:49:01.720 --> 00:49:06.920 for the prior caller is the best dentist i have ever seen is james mattson and 00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:11.240 fort bragg okay james mattson and fort bragg 00:49:11.240 --> 00:49:15.960 dr matt okay all right laser super high tech very professional 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.680 very soothing great great dentist best one i've ever seen 00:49:20.680 --> 00:49:26.520 okay my other question though is about sclerosing mesenteritis 00:49:26.520 --> 00:49:32.840 are there any herbs that might help you know dissolve the internal scar tissue 00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.840 dissolving internal scar tissue 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:43.160 yeah a little difficult in terms of any tissue that's truly become fibrotic 00:49:43.160 --> 00:49:46.760 and has been organized that way to do that 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.680 it's not that easy um i don't know dr p if you 00:49:50.680 --> 00:49:54.200 if you're looking at scar tissue i know there are some things that they 00:49:54.200 --> 00:49:59.480 have said in the past are good for dissolving scars but i think 00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:04.600 once tissue's gotten as organized as a proper scar 00:50:04.600 --> 00:50:08.360 with those fibrin and connectins i think they're fairly 00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.200 insoluble well what's i i may be something like progesterone might be 00:50:12.200 --> 00:50:15.000 useful in that case but yeah i've had experience 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.560 with some uh fibrotic uh lumps and scars 00:50:19.560 --> 00:50:26.840 that um for example vitamin e i had a vaccination scar from the time i was 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:31.720 18 until i was in my 40s it was bulgy and red 00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:38.600 and i put vitamin e on it and in a week it had essentially disappeared 00:50:38.600 --> 00:50:45.960 but a very hard lump sometimes takes six months or so of 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:53.640 of anti-inflammatory vitamin e progesterone 00:50:53.640 --> 00:50:57.880 total nutrition improvement can accelerate the 00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:03.160 the vitamin e orally vitamin e topically dr p 00:51:03.160 --> 00:51:09.800 oh in the case of a scar in your skin yes oh no it's inside 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.480 sclerosing this enteritis yeah so that would have to be taken internally but do 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:17.240 you think dr p that vitamin e taken internally would 00:51:17.240 --> 00:51:21.000 really have any topical effect on that or do you think it 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:28.200 no no but the um a lot of the sclerosing problems are 00:51:28.200 --> 00:51:35.240 calcification uh abnormal calcification and uh 00:51:35.240 --> 00:51:42.200 hence cellu pioneered the study of how to cause and regress 00:51:42.200 --> 00:51:45.960 calcified tissue various types of sclerosis 00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:53.240 and uh that's a good place to start but vitamin d by 00:51:53.240 --> 00:51:57.000 vitamin d and the high calcium intake to lower your 00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.760 parathyroid hormone is part of the process 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:07.640 of reversing calcified tissue vitamin k is another 00:52:07.640 --> 00:52:13.080 anti-soft tissue calcification factor what was the name of the person you said 00:52:13.080 --> 00:52:19.080 it studied this can han cell yay s e l y e yes s e l y 00:52:19.080 --> 00:52:23.080 yeah yeah thank you okay you're welcome all right there's another caller so let's 00:52:23.080 --> 00:52:25.960 get this next caller caller where you from and what's your 00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:29.640 question hello hi you're on the air where you're 00:52:29.640 --> 00:52:33.640 from what's your question uh kansas city from kansas city kansas 00:52:33.640 --> 00:52:37.080 city i was just wondering i've been listening to a lot of your old podcasts 00:52:37.080 --> 00:52:42.680 and um and on the thyroid issue and i was i didn't hear this particular 00:52:42.680 --> 00:52:46.280 question and then i was um diagnosed with grave 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.680 disease which is supposed to be hyperthyroid 00:52:48.680 --> 00:52:54.360 but i've never been hyperthyroid and um and i was wondering and the only way 00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:59.400 they diagnosed me excuse me was because i had the the eyes 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:03.080 and the swelling in the feet and the legs so you had 00:53:03.080 --> 00:53:08.840 exophthalmos because they've you know i've known uh thyroid hormone for years 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:11.240 and i still have issues and i was wondering 00:53:11.240 --> 00:53:14.120 is there would you treat that differently than 00:53:14.120 --> 00:53:18.200 someone that say had hashy motives because i've got all that i've still got 00:53:18.200 --> 00:53:23.080 elevated antibodies and all of that yeah so dr p 00:53:23.080 --> 00:53:28.280 um uh graves disease with uh exophthalmos i'm 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:31.160 pretty sure it's kind of common presenting complaint and she said 00:53:31.160 --> 00:53:35.720 swollen feet um yeah i had the swelling on the tops of 00:53:35.720 --> 00:53:38.120 the feet in the front of the shins i still have 00:53:38.120 --> 00:53:43.000 some of the swelling but you see it was one the main present 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.120 presenting complaint she said 00:53:46.120 --> 00:53:53.480 um pitting edema i think they call it um yeah i i think a more thorough 00:53:53.480 --> 00:54:00.520 metabolic study would show something other than the 00:54:00.520 --> 00:54:04.040 antithyroid antibodies 00:54:04.040 --> 00:54:11.720 you would want to check out the steroid hormones progesterone 00:54:11.720 --> 00:54:18.440 uh cortisol vitamin d and the actual level of your 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:25.480 uh thyroid hormones the t3 and t4 and reverse t3 lots of people 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:29.000 did check all of those i have a new doctor and we checked all of those 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.120 and the only thing that i was low on was testosterone 00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:35.480 and it wasn't that low it's just a little low so and i've been on vitamin 00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.880 d supplements for five years and it's in the normal i mean 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.800 it's it's usually between 60 and 80 in that range 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:48.120 but um i don't seem to be able to find anything that 00:54:48.120 --> 00:54:52.360 i can get a handle on have you changed uh 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:58.280 your uh temperature or pulse rate in response to the thyroid 00:54:58.600 --> 00:55:01.800 no my my temperature is usually between 96 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.840 6 and 97 when i wake up in the morning but then it goes up during the day like 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.520 it might go up to 99 by the end of the day 00:55:10.520 --> 00:55:16.840 and um that that is uh really not not consistent with 00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.640 graves disease and most of the people i've only seen 00:55:21.640 --> 00:55:25.320 one person that i think really had hyperthyroid 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:29.400 graves disease but i've talked to many people who had the 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.320 diagnosis and some of their doctors said well 00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:36.920 actually they're both hypothyroid and hyperthyroid 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:41.160 but they were yeah that's what they tell me they tell me i have hashimotos and 00:55:41.160 --> 00:55:43.560 graves now because i have all of the thyroid 00:55:43.560 --> 00:55:47.720 antibodies very high and i'm on i'm on a four and a 00:55:47.720 --> 00:55:53.240 third grain of of natural thyroid and and all of my 00:55:53.240 --> 00:55:56.440 numbers come back right but you know i just my temperature is 00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:58.760 all whacked out i still have some of the swelling 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:04.280 i just don't know what to do next 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:10.440 the um have have you uh changed the thyroid dose while watching your 00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:14.360 pulse rate and temperature and requirement for 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.840 calories 00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:22.600 you mean you mean like taking something that's a fast-acting thyroid like p3 00:56:22.600 --> 00:56:26.520 um because the t4 doesn't act very fast i mean 00:56:26.520 --> 00:56:33.240 the t3 um acts within an hour and a half so if no one's ever given me a t3 00:56:33.240 --> 00:56:35.880 supplement like you mean like a cytomel or something 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:40.280 yeah so so what what would how would you do that then you would take 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:44.520 some cytomel and then you would watch for what do you divide your 00:56:44.520 --> 00:56:47.640 natural thyroid supplement and take it in 00:56:47.640 --> 00:56:53.160 fractions during the day no because they told me that the t4 part 00:56:53.160 --> 00:56:56.680 of it you had to take it four hours apart from 00:56:56.680 --> 00:57:00.360 any other medication and apart from food and everything so i take 00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:04.200 it first thing in the morning did they explain why why you should do 00:57:04.200 --> 00:57:07.400 that the the body said something about the 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.520 minerals binding the t4 or something i don't i don't quite 00:57:10.520 --> 00:57:14.520 understand it since it takes a couple of days for 00:57:14.520 --> 00:57:17.800 anything to pass through the intestine normally 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:22.840 sometimes longer there's plenty of time for the t4 to absorb 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:29.640 and your body doesn't want it to absorb all in an hour or two when it 00:57:29.640 --> 00:57:33.080 does that it induces 00:57:33.080 --> 00:57:39.880 enzymes in your liver which destroy it if the body if the liver perceives this 00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.920 huge unphysiological surge of t4 coming in 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:51.560 in just an hour it's going to eliminate it 12 hours later 00:57:51.560 --> 00:57:56.760 so that you'll actually be hypothyroid in 12 hours after you take it 00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.040 i'm going to have to stop you both there i'm afraid we're getting two minutes to 00:58:00.040 --> 00:58:02.200 the top of the hour and i've got to wrap up with some 00:58:02.200 --> 00:58:06.200 information to let people know more about you dr p and also 00:58:06.200 --> 00:58:09.480 just generally close out the rest of the show so thanks for those people that 00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.680 have joined us tonight thank you dr p for your time really appreciate it 00:58:12.680 --> 00:58:16.280 okay thanks for all the callers for anybody else who 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:20.360 has listened to the show wants to know more about dr p he's got a 00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:25.480 website www.rayPeat.com he's not selling anything but he's got 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.600 some very good scholarly articles that are fully 00:58:28.600 --> 00:58:31.880 referenced on lots of subjects that you've probably not even 00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.640 heard about and some of the reasons why what you think is good for you is not 00:58:35.640 --> 00:58:39.160 good for you and the science behind it so like you 00:58:39.160 --> 00:58:41.000 said at the beginning of the show there before 00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.120 i even talked to ask you about it the government want to keep a lot of this 00:58:44.120 --> 00:58:47.400 stuff quiet and they want to steer you in a general direction 00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:51.560 you're more manageable that way once you can be burdened with debt and you pay 00:58:51.560 --> 00:58:54.600 your taxes you don't have too much time to think about too much so you're quite 00:58:54.600 --> 00:58:57.160 controllable anyway for those people that have 00:58:57.160 --> 00:58:59.720 listened to the show thanks so much for joining us 00:58:59.720 --> 00:59:04.280 we can be reached 1-888-WBMERB 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.560 for further questions monday through friday nine to five 00:59:07.560 --> 00:59:11.560 and for those of you who've listened tonight keep your ears and eyes open you 00:59:11.560 --> 00:59:14.040 know things are not quite where you think they are sometimes and 00:59:14.040 --> 00:59:17.560 if you're looking in a radical new direction chances are you may 00:59:17.560 --> 00:59:21.880 well find some fruit okay so till next month next october we're 00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.640 in the fall happy fall to you all