WEBVTT 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:04.880 - Well, welcome to this month's Ask Your Ab Doctor. 00:00:04.880 --> 00:00:06.480 My name's Andrew Murray. 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:11.480 This is the October 2019 broadcast. 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:14.840 For the last 10 years, 00:00:14.840 --> 00:00:17.920 I think it's actually been just over 10 years, 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:23.960 we've been doing our monthly, 7 till 8 p.m., call-in. 00:00:27.680 --> 00:00:32.640 Given the loose topic of alternative holistic medicine 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.320 with Dr. Ray Peat. 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:40.860 Now, for those of you who've never heard him, 00:00:40.860 --> 00:00:43.640 we'll be introducing Dr. Peat in a moment. 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:45.240 For those of you who do know him 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:50.720 and have read his articles, his newsletters, 00:00:50.720 --> 00:00:52.920 the books that he's written, 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:56.480 or if you've been fortunate enough to attend 00:00:56.480 --> 00:01:00.100 any of the lectures that he's given after graduating, 00:01:00.100 --> 00:01:05.520 you'll understand that he is a pretty deep thinker. 00:01:05.520 --> 00:01:10.680 Over the last 10 years, we've covered a wide range of topics 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:15.680 on health, alternative health, biosciences, 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.400 and all those subjects around it. 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.080 And Dr. Peat has a pretty broad education, 00:01:23.080 --> 00:01:28.080 background understanding of physiological processes. 00:01:28.080 --> 00:01:31.360 And we're very fortunate to have his input on the show. 00:01:31.360 --> 00:01:36.360 The lines are open, it's a live call-in show 00:01:36.360 --> 00:01:39.960 from 7.30 till 8. 00:01:39.960 --> 00:01:43.480 People are invited to call in with any questions 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:49.320 related to the continuing topic of false narratives, 00:01:49.320 --> 00:01:51.900 misconceptions about things. 00:01:51.900 --> 00:01:55.320 We're told are one way, 00:01:55.320 --> 00:01:57.640 but actually when we look at the science, 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:58.680 they're actually not. 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:03.680 And a continuing part of Dr. Peat's writing 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:07.040 were his newsletters on serotonin. 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:10.360 The number, if you'd like to call in after 7.30, 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:14.360 it's 707-923-3911. 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:19.620 Once again, 707-923-3911. 00:02:20.920 --> 00:02:24.260 My background has been in herbal medicine. 00:02:24.260 --> 00:02:29.260 I graduated in 1999 and have since practiced herbal medicine 00:02:29.260 --> 00:02:35.420 and researched and developed best methods. 00:02:35.420 --> 00:02:38.180 And in the last 10 years, 00:02:38.180 --> 00:02:42.060 I've been working with Dr. Peat, 00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:45.340 getting his input on challenging cases 00:02:45.340 --> 00:02:50.340 and other cases that were largely not responding. 00:02:50.340 --> 00:02:53.300 But I think in retrospect now, 00:02:53.300 --> 00:02:56.540 certain elements of an approach to that 00:02:56.540 --> 00:02:57.700 were missing at the time. 00:02:57.700 --> 00:03:01.180 And myself, like many other people 00:03:01.180 --> 00:03:05.580 who did a mainstream medical herbal medicine education 00:03:05.580 --> 00:03:09.220 in England, pretty much got the facts 00:03:09.220 --> 00:03:12.420 presented to them erroneously. 00:03:12.420 --> 00:03:14.680 And not all of it erroneously, 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.500 but a lot of fairly pivotal and foundational 00:03:18.500 --> 00:03:21.200 parts of physiology that are just not accurate. 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:25.460 So let's go ahead and introduce Dr. Peat. 00:03:25.460 --> 00:03:26.500 Dr. Peat, you with us? 00:03:26.500 --> 00:03:27.740 - Yes. - Hi. 00:03:27.740 --> 00:03:29.520 Okay, thanks for joining us. 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.620 For those people who perhaps have not heard you 00:03:32.620 --> 00:03:35.740 or your work and your background, your life, 00:03:35.740 --> 00:03:37.740 would you just give us a rundown 00:03:37.740 --> 00:03:40.100 of your academic and professional background 00:03:40.100 --> 00:03:41.260 before we get started? 00:03:41.260 --> 00:03:48.420 - My first teaching job happened to be in biology, 00:03:48.540 --> 00:03:52.220 but I had been studying linguistics and the humanities 00:03:52.220 --> 00:03:55.780 and mostly was teaching in those areas 00:03:55.780 --> 00:03:59.660 for about 10 years after getting my master's degree. 00:03:59.660 --> 00:04:04.220 Then I went back to get a PhD in biology 00:04:04.220 --> 00:04:09.220 at University of Oregon, 1968 to '72 I was there. 00:04:09.220 --> 00:04:16.220 And since then I've been following up on interests 00:04:16.780 --> 00:04:20.820 I had all through the 1960s in biology, 00:04:20.820 --> 00:04:26.380 brain function, and how social interaction 00:04:26.380 --> 00:04:30.580 and environmental influences affect our biology. 00:04:30.580 --> 00:04:32.140 - Okay, thank you. 00:04:32.140 --> 00:04:33.980 Just before we do get started, 00:04:33.980 --> 00:04:36.740 can I ask the engineer if there's anything that can be done 00:04:36.740 --> 00:04:39.060 'cause I noticed last month, 00:04:39.060 --> 00:04:40.460 and I think it's happened before now, 00:04:40.460 --> 00:04:42.420 there's quite a hum on the line. 00:04:42.420 --> 00:04:44.340 And when I listen to the audio archives, 00:04:44.340 --> 00:04:45.260 that hum is very-- 00:04:45.260 --> 00:04:46.580 - I can try calling them back 00:04:46.580 --> 00:04:49.100 and see if we get a different line. 00:04:49.100 --> 00:04:50.260 Would you like me to try that? 00:04:50.260 --> 00:04:52.340 - That hum's coming directly from that line 00:04:52.340 --> 00:04:53.820 that you're using, is it? 00:04:53.820 --> 00:04:54.660 Yeah. 00:04:54.660 --> 00:04:56.900 I don't know how much mileage there is in there. 00:04:56.900 --> 00:04:59.820 I'm just wondering if there's any feedback in the studio. 00:04:59.820 --> 00:05:02.980 - Oh, no, it's on that line. 00:05:02.980 --> 00:05:05.940 - We'll keep going and then maybe sometime halfway through 00:05:05.940 --> 00:05:08.620 we can quickly swap over and see if it makes a difference. 00:05:08.620 --> 00:05:12.580 - I can actually, do you have two lines on this number 00:05:12.580 --> 00:05:13.420 I'm calling, Dr. Peat? 00:05:13.420 --> 00:05:15.540 'Cause I can try calling from one of the other studio lines 00:05:15.540 --> 00:05:16.500 where you're on. 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:17.740 Do you have call waiting? 00:05:17.740 --> 00:05:22.060 - No, I don't. 00:05:22.060 --> 00:05:24.700 - Okay, well, if it gets unbearable, 00:05:24.700 --> 00:05:27.540 we will try calling again and maybe from a different line. 00:05:27.540 --> 00:05:28.380 - And it's also mainly with callers, 00:05:28.380 --> 00:05:29.220 when the people call in, 00:05:29.220 --> 00:05:30.620 it's sometimes very difficult to hear them 00:05:30.620 --> 00:05:31.940 'cause there's a lot of humming. 00:05:31.940 --> 00:05:34.700 - Believe it or not, they have a harder time hearing you. 00:05:34.700 --> 00:05:35.940 (laughing) 00:05:35.940 --> 00:05:37.940 - All right, well, without any further ado. 00:05:37.940 --> 00:05:40.060 - Only the dedicated call in. 00:05:40.060 --> 00:05:41.300 And there's a lot of them. 00:05:41.300 --> 00:05:42.220 - Okay. 00:05:42.220 --> 00:05:43.980 All right, well, once again, let's put that number out. 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:47.620 It's 707-923-3911. 00:05:47.620 --> 00:05:52.180 Okay, so Dr. Peat, again, the kind of the misconceptions, 00:05:52.180 --> 00:05:54.260 things that we're told are a certain way, 00:05:54.260 --> 00:05:55.900 we find out they're not. 00:05:55.900 --> 00:05:59.940 And it becomes ingrained in our minds and our psyche 00:05:59.940 --> 00:06:02.260 and people repeat it often. 00:06:02.260 --> 00:06:04.940 The blood brain barrier. 00:06:04.940 --> 00:06:08.900 When I was studying physiology, 00:06:08.900 --> 00:06:11.900 I was told that the pia mater, the dura mater 00:06:11.900 --> 00:06:15.460 and the arachnoid mater formed those meninges 00:06:15.460 --> 00:06:18.820 and that the blood brain barrier existed 00:06:18.820 --> 00:06:22.500 to keep certain pathogens and toxins out. 00:06:22.500 --> 00:06:25.100 Although I know things like cysts can get into the brain 00:06:25.100 --> 00:06:27.220 and there's certainly a pathogen. 00:06:27.220 --> 00:06:29.260 What's your opinion? 00:06:29.260 --> 00:06:31.580 I know you have a very fluid, 00:06:31.580 --> 00:06:34.380 very fluid understanding of the body and red blood cells 00:06:34.380 --> 00:06:36.620 and how they definitely move around a lot 00:06:36.620 --> 00:06:39.060 and how communication is just not the way you'd read it 00:06:39.060 --> 00:06:42.260 in a normal 21st century physiology text. 00:06:42.260 --> 00:06:44.500 But how do you understand the blood brain barrier 00:06:44.500 --> 00:06:45.420 and its function? 00:06:45.420 --> 00:06:50.900 - It relates to the general idea 00:06:50.900 --> 00:06:55.900 of integrity of tissue and cells. 00:06:55.900 --> 00:07:00.460 And when something goes wrong with a tissue, 00:07:00.460 --> 00:07:04.460 an energy failure, for example, 00:07:05.380 --> 00:07:10.380 any tissue loses its barrier function or integrity 00:07:10.380 --> 00:07:15.140 and things that are inside leak out, 00:07:15.140 --> 00:07:17.860 things that are outside can get in. 00:07:17.860 --> 00:07:22.860 And different tissues are composed of different degrees 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:29.340 of fatty material and proteins, 00:07:29.340 --> 00:07:34.340 but every cell, when it's in a highly energized state, 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:40.060 the whole cytoplasm has a fat loving property, 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:43.380 a hydrophobic property. 00:07:43.380 --> 00:07:50.140 The idea of a membrane barrier on the surface of a cell 00:07:50.140 --> 00:07:57.620 is really a myth. 00:07:57.620 --> 00:08:02.620 Gilbert Ling spent 40, 50 years disproving that myth. 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:08.300 That it's really the structure of the cytoplasm 00:08:08.300 --> 00:08:11.540 that creates a barrier between any cells 00:08:11.540 --> 00:08:13.180 inside and that's outside. 00:08:13.180 --> 00:08:18.980 And Russian researchers in the middle of the last century 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:23.460 showed that the energy level of the cell 00:08:23.460 --> 00:08:26.980 is what governs its barrier function. 00:08:26.980 --> 00:08:31.980 A high energy state, the cell has a lipid loving quality. 00:08:32.620 --> 00:08:34.820 Takes up fat easily. 00:08:34.820 --> 00:08:37.060 And when it's de-energized, 00:08:37.060 --> 00:08:40.580 a water soluble dye will leak in it. 00:08:40.580 --> 00:08:44.540 That has been demonstrated for more than 100 years 00:08:44.540 --> 00:08:49.380 on simple organisms as well as tissue culture. 00:08:49.380 --> 00:08:53.340 So it's really an old idea. 00:08:53.340 --> 00:08:58.340 But about 50 years ago, someone demonstrated in rats 00:09:00.460 --> 00:09:05.460 that the lipid loving quality of the brain 00:09:05.460 --> 00:09:09.540 is what governs the so-called barrier function. 00:09:09.540 --> 00:09:14.540 The brain has to live at a very high energy state. 00:09:14.540 --> 00:09:19.080 And in that high energy state, 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.660 it's more hydrophobic or fat loving. 00:09:22.660 --> 00:09:27.700 These researchers put an emulsion of, 00:09:27.700 --> 00:09:32.700 I think it was soy oil, into the carotid artery of a rat 00:09:32.700 --> 00:09:38.420 and then measured the content of the blood coming out 00:09:38.420 --> 00:09:42.240 of the vein draining the brain. 00:09:42.240 --> 00:09:47.140 And they found that on a single pass through the brain, 00:09:47.140 --> 00:09:51.780 17% of this fat was taken up from the blood. 00:09:51.780 --> 00:09:56.460 And if you imagine that when you're under stress, 00:09:57.500 --> 00:10:02.500 your blood becomes loaded with unbound fatty acids, 00:10:02.500 --> 00:10:10.980 free fatty acids that travel on the albumin in the blood. 00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:18.140 And hormones as well as free fatty acids 00:10:18.140 --> 00:10:20.780 travel on the albumin. 00:10:20.780 --> 00:10:22.900 And when you're under stress, 00:10:22.900 --> 00:10:27.900 the increased free fatty acids will displace those hormones. 00:10:27.900 --> 00:10:34.300 And the albumin delivers large amounts of free fatty acids 00:10:34.300 --> 00:10:43.660 or fat soluble hormones to the capillaries 00:10:43.660 --> 00:10:48.080 serving the brain. 00:10:49.180 --> 00:10:54.180 And the fact that the fat solubility 00:10:54.180 --> 00:10:58.820 is what governs the entry, 00:10:58.820 --> 00:11:02.500 that was well established, 00:11:02.500 --> 00:11:05.780 but people still resisted the idea 00:11:05.780 --> 00:11:10.500 that hormones could freely get into the brain 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:13.500 without having a special transporter. 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:18.540 But as long as they're able to be carried on albumin, 00:11:18.540 --> 00:11:22.760 albumin can deliver its burden right into the brain. 00:11:22.760 --> 00:11:28.980 And the water solubility of tryptophan 00:11:28.980 --> 00:11:35.420 has been one of the arguments that people insist 00:11:35.420 --> 00:11:41.340 that the huge amount of tryptophan produced in your intestine 00:11:41.340 --> 00:11:44.620 and carried on your platelets can't get into the brain 00:11:44.620 --> 00:11:47.140 to influence your behavior. 00:11:47.140 --> 00:11:52.140 Even though when people had a tumor, 00:11:52.140 --> 00:12:00.420 the carcinoid tumor, I think it was called, 00:12:00.420 --> 00:12:07.780 that produces huge amounts of serotonin, 00:12:07.780 --> 00:12:13.460 they were characteristically having emotional turmoil. 00:12:15.340 --> 00:12:17.480 There would be a surge of serotonin 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:22.480 and their skin would show vasoconstriction 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.360 and vasodilation alternating, 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:29.740 and their emotions would have extremes of ups and downs 00:12:29.740 --> 00:12:33.540 that went with these surges of serotonin. 00:12:33.540 --> 00:12:36.560 So there's a good medical history 00:12:36.560 --> 00:12:40.700 of the effect of intestinal serotonin 00:12:40.700 --> 00:12:42.560 getting into the brain. 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:47.560 And serotonin itself powerfully breaks down barriers, 00:12:47.560 --> 00:12:53.000 including the blood-brain barrier, so-called. 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:59.420 The lungs and the brain happen to be the best equipped 00:12:59.420 --> 00:13:05.160 with enzymes that destroy serotonin. 00:13:05.160 --> 00:13:10.220 Monoamine oxidase is very concentrated in these capillaries. 00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:17.180 So normally when the blood passes through the lungs, 00:13:17.180 --> 00:13:22.960 it happens that the surge of oxygen changes the pH 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:27.960 and carbon dioxide content and causes serotonin 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.500 to be released from the platelets, 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:36.500 where it can be destroyed by these MAO enzymes 00:13:36.500 --> 00:13:39.020 in the lining of the lung. 00:13:39.900 --> 00:13:43.680 And the same thing should happen in the brain. 00:13:43.680 --> 00:13:49.060 The MAO should be detoxifying all the serotonin 00:13:49.060 --> 00:13:52.580 that reaches these capillaries in the brain. 00:13:52.580 --> 00:13:58.540 But under the influence of a nutritional problem 00:13:58.540 --> 00:14:02.380 or too much stress where you're simply pouring out 00:14:02.380 --> 00:14:05.160 gigantic quantities of serotonin, 00:14:05.160 --> 00:14:08.460 or when your other hormones are disturbed, 00:14:08.460 --> 00:14:13.300 such as high estrogen, will inhibit the MAO 00:14:13.300 --> 00:14:19.740 and the capillaries fail to detoxify the serotonin. 00:14:19.740 --> 00:14:24.340 So then the serotonin is free to enter the brain 00:14:24.340 --> 00:14:26.940 and disturb the brain function. 00:14:26.940 --> 00:14:32.980 - Getting, that's a very rounded breakdown 00:14:32.980 --> 00:14:36.380 of all of the inherent activity 00:14:36.380 --> 00:14:38.260 and the problems surrounding that. 00:14:38.260 --> 00:14:45.100 Does the bilipid membrane, does that exist? 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:48.100 I mean, in terms of the hydrophobic 00:14:48.100 --> 00:14:52.140 and hydrophilic components of it lining up 00:14:52.140 --> 00:14:57.000 to form this kind of barrier to either water 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:01.060 or fat soluble components, is that accurate? 00:15:01.060 --> 00:15:04.460 Or, I mean, it always kind of amazed me 00:15:04.460 --> 00:15:07.860 when I first started doing physiology and basic physiology 00:15:07.860 --> 00:15:11.020 and looking at cells and all the cells 00:15:11.020 --> 00:15:14.040 and the lipid membrane and looking at cholesterol. 00:15:14.040 --> 00:15:17.380 Is that lipid membrane, is that a reality? 00:15:17.380 --> 00:15:21.540 Or is that, again, another very fluid relationship 00:15:21.540 --> 00:15:22.960 with the cell? 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:29.060 - In an old medical book from the early 19th century, 00:15:29.060 --> 00:15:34.060 I saw that the treatment for a burn or an ulcer 00:15:34.260 --> 00:15:39.260 to close up the weeping wound on the surface of the body, 00:15:39.260 --> 00:15:42.060 they used osmic acid, 00:15:42.060 --> 00:15:51.900 osmium tetroxide solution. 00:15:51.900 --> 00:15:56.900 And that was to create what they called a false membrane. 00:15:56.900 --> 00:15:58.420 - Oh, like an eschar. 00:15:58.420 --> 00:16:00.500 - Yeah, it's first use in medicine. 00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:04.340 It was defined as to create a false membrane. 00:16:04.340 --> 00:16:07.780 When the first electron microscopes 00:16:07.780 --> 00:16:09.540 started looking at cells, 00:16:09.540 --> 00:16:14.300 they didn't find the membrane that they had theorized 00:16:14.300 --> 00:16:15.260 had to be there. 00:16:15.260 --> 00:16:20.380 And meanwhile, Gilbert Ling was demonstrating 00:16:20.380 --> 00:16:25.540 the cell behaves electrically as it does 00:16:25.540 --> 00:16:28.560 without needing a membrane. 00:16:28.560 --> 00:16:32.780 But within two or three years, 00:16:32.780 --> 00:16:36.220 someone discovered that they could make use 00:16:36.220 --> 00:16:41.220 of this osmic acid false membrane creator. 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:44.800 And they did produce a membrane on cells. 00:16:44.800 --> 00:16:47.780 Ever since then, they've been able to produce 00:16:47.780 --> 00:16:52.620 a membrane consistent with the current theories. 00:16:52.620 --> 00:16:55.660 At first, the membrane was very thick 00:16:55.660 --> 00:16:58.960 to suit the theory of the time. 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:03.960 But as the tendency towards this lipid bilayer membrane 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:12.720 took root, they had to adjust their membrane-making 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.260 technology to suit this idea of a single bilayer. 00:17:17.260 --> 00:17:19.100 - It's almost a religion. 00:17:19.100 --> 00:17:23.120 - Yeah, when I was taking a course 00:17:23.120 --> 00:17:28.120 in electron microscopy, I tried out different stains, 00:17:28.120 --> 00:17:32.200 not just osmic tetraoxide, 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:34.520 and found that I could make a cell 00:17:34.520 --> 00:17:37.440 look like an onion membranes all the way through. 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:44.320 - Again, it's a little bit off the post here, 00:17:44.320 --> 00:17:47.520 but talking about electron micrographs 00:17:47.520 --> 00:17:51.720 and just looking back in past shows that we've done, 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.080 in terms of viral inclusions, 00:17:54.080 --> 00:17:57.440 that these things often have been shown 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:59.120 to be completely fabricated, 00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:02.580 not actually any part of any virion, for example, 00:18:02.580 --> 00:18:03.840 when they're looking at virology, 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:06.360 and they show you these viruses 00:18:06.360 --> 00:18:08.440 that they are showing on a scanning 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.880 electron micrograph, for example. 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.440 - Yeah, Harold Hillman, who died not long ago, 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:19.080 wrote some books showing how official biology 00:18:19.080 --> 00:18:21.320 is really all artifacts. 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:24.480 - Yeah, well, all right, let's stop there for a second. 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:26.280 Okay, so you're listening to AskUrb, 00:18:26.280 --> 00:18:29.680 Dr. K. Mudigal, with 91.1 FM. 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:31.080 From 7.30 till 8 o'clock, 00:18:31.080 --> 00:18:33.360 you're invited to call in with questions 00:18:33.360 --> 00:18:37.120 about this month's continuing subject of misconceptions 00:18:37.120 --> 00:18:39.880 and looking at serotonin inflammation 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:42.320 and serotonin reuptake inhibitors 00:18:42.320 --> 00:18:45.080 and monoamine oxidase inhibitors, 00:18:45.080 --> 00:18:47.200 and all of these things that we're told 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.520 are good for you, like serotonin and melatonin, 00:18:50.520 --> 00:18:52.040 and they're happy hormones, 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:55.200 and actually how the science that Dr. Peat's bringing out here, 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.540 which has been known for quite some time, 00:18:57.540 --> 00:19:00.160 is actually showing exactly the opposite, 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.720 but it's such a deeply rooted investment 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:05.960 in our consciousness that it's so difficult 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.240 to break away from it. 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.400 Anyway, the number here, if you live in or outside 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.520 the area, 707-923-3911. 00:19:14.520 --> 00:19:18.040 Dr. Peat, getting back quickly to the blood-brain barrier, 00:19:18.040 --> 00:19:20.720 you mentioned obviously that the brain 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:24.240 is an extremely energy-hungry organ 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.880 consuming a lot of glucose, 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.440 and it's 90-something percent plus cholesterol, 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:31.880 correct, of the white matter? 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.760 - I don't know what percentage, 00:19:34.760 --> 00:19:36.600 I was very high percent. 00:19:36.600 --> 00:19:38.840 - Okay, what I was trying to get at, though, 00:19:38.840 --> 00:19:41.240 for the fact that it consumes a lot of energy, 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.320 it's lipid-rich, we've all been told, 00:19:45.320 --> 00:19:47.280 at least in school when we're studying, 00:19:47.280 --> 00:19:49.000 that this blood-brain barrier exists 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.320 as some protective mechanism to keep the contents 00:19:51.320 --> 00:19:56.040 of the regular vascular system out of the brain. 00:19:56.040 --> 00:19:57.920 But obviously, like I mentioned initially, 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:01.120 things like, you know, people, patients have had 00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:06.120 brain trepanning done to remove cystic formations 00:20:06.120 --> 00:20:10.480 in the brain from pigs, you know, producing, 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.440 a tapeworm, rather, producing these cysts. 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:17.160 Things do get by the blood-brain barrier quite regularly, 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:22.160 and it's not a strictly mechanical system 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.320 that prevents the ingress or egress of certain substances. 00:20:25.320 --> 00:20:27.160 It's actually quite fluid, 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.160 and it very much depends on the energetic, gosh, 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:34.320 I don't know, the energetic reserves of the organism, 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:36.880 how well-energized the cells are, 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.200 how much energy the organism has 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.440 in terms of its ability to keep things coherent. 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:46.400 - And when the energy breaks down, 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:51.400 you get diseases based on the excess permeability, 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.320 the breakdown of the so-called barrier. 00:20:56.320 --> 00:20:57.320 - Right. 00:20:57.320 --> 00:20:58.840 - Multiple sclerosis and-- 00:20:58.840 --> 00:21:01.560 - This is when you talk about estrogen producing leakiness 00:21:01.560 --> 00:21:05.080 in leaking contents and excess edema, 00:21:05.080 --> 00:21:08.560 water, you know, uptake into cells. 00:21:08.560 --> 00:21:11.920 - Yeah, this morning I got an email from a woman 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:16.920 who experienced what the myth does to the medical practice. 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:22.480 She was found to have extremely high 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:30.280 creatine phosphokinase, a CK or CPK enzyme in her blood, 00:21:30.280 --> 00:21:37.440 as well as a very high thyroid-stimulating hormone, TSH. 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.880 - Is that CPK, is that muscle breakdown byproduct, or? 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:45.880 - Yeah, exactly, and the doctor assured her 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:50.640 that the muscle leaking that large amount of enzyme 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.040 couldn't have anything to do with hypothyroidism, 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:58.040 that it must be a sign of autoimmune disease. 00:21:58.040 --> 00:22:05.040 And autoimmunity is now a great medical business, 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:10.920 and fixing the thyroid function isn't of much interest. 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:16.640 But the knowledge that hypothyroidism 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:22.880 causes muscle disease goes back 100 years easily. 00:22:22.880 --> 00:22:27.880 It was a diagnostic basis for considering hypothyroidism 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:34.240 if a person had swollen muscles. 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.720 Old textbooks showed little kids 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.520 with massively swollen muscles, 00:22:39.520 --> 00:22:42.760 and then when they were given a thyroid hormone, 00:22:42.760 --> 00:22:46.240 muscles would go back to looking like little kids' muscles. 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:48.960 - And this would be through edema, water retention? 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:50.760 - Yeah, the swelling of the muscle. 00:22:50.760 --> 00:22:56.720 And the amount of exertion that it takes 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:02.640 to injure the muscle, like if you lift a barbell 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.800 too many times, your muscle will get hot and swell up. 00:23:06.800 --> 00:23:11.280 But if your thyroid is low, it gets hot and swells up 00:23:11.280 --> 00:23:13.960 with very little effort or no effort. 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:16.360 - That makes me think, again, 00:23:16.360 --> 00:23:17.840 it's a little bit off the beaten track here 00:23:17.840 --> 00:23:19.840 for the purpose of the show's questions 00:23:19.840 --> 00:23:21.800 I wanted to get through to you, 00:23:21.800 --> 00:23:26.800 but chronic wasting disease, that is an interesting 00:23:26.800 --> 00:23:32.040 definition of a process that they wanna say 00:23:32.040 --> 00:23:36.840 is prevalent in the animal population here in the States. 00:23:36.840 --> 00:23:41.280 I know in England, the Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in cows, 00:23:41.280 --> 00:23:43.440 bovine spongiform encephalopathy, 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:46.920 and that whole prion supposedly based disorder. 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.600 That again, in terms of chronic wasting, 00:23:49.600 --> 00:23:53.720 that whole physiology there seems very much 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.800 like a very energy wasting process. 00:23:56.800 --> 00:24:01.080 - Yeah, the thyroid hormone is our basic anabolic hormone. 00:24:01.080 --> 00:24:02.680 - Yeah, okay. 00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:05.960 Okay, so do you think, I wasn't even gonna ask 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:09.520 this question too, but in terms of chronic wasting disease, 00:24:09.520 --> 00:24:13.160 what do you think is probably the main deficit there? 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.000 You think that's a deficit in energy production 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:18.760 based on thyroid or? 00:24:18.760 --> 00:24:23.760 - Well, around 1960, Hans Selye was working on exactly that, 00:24:23.760 --> 00:24:27.600 muscular dystrophy. 00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:32.600 He could experimentally produce muscular dystrophy 00:24:32.600 --> 00:24:36.440 just by giving an animal serotonin. 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:42.680 And when thyroid function goes down, serotonin goes up. 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:48.680 And either removing the thyroid or giving serotonin 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:53.920 or both will cause that energy failure that leads 00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:57.120 to a breakdown of the barrier function 00:24:57.120 --> 00:25:02.120 and leaking of substance and eventually atrophy. 00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:06.560 - Wow, okay, well, I think we have one caller 00:25:06.560 --> 00:25:08.140 who's waiting in the, okay. 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:11.960 So it's 7.30 basically, but people listening, 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.960 if you want to call in from now to eight o'clock, 00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:19.080 please do the number 707-923-3911. 00:25:19.080 --> 00:25:21.000 We've got Dr. Raymond Peat joining us on the show 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.240 and we're gonna keep covering the parts 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.720 of his newsletter on serotonin 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.520 and also tying this in with some of the misconceptions 00:25:29.520 --> 00:25:33.320 about what we've been told is positive 00:25:33.320 --> 00:25:36.080 and beneficial for us like serotonin and melatonin 00:25:36.080 --> 00:25:39.400 being happy hormones when actually they're very destructive 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:41.080 and inflammatory hormones. 00:25:41.080 --> 00:25:45.160 So yeah, number two call is 707-923-3911. 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:46.520 So let's get this first caller, 00:25:46.520 --> 00:25:48.600 you're on the air call away from? 00:25:48.600 --> 00:25:50.560 - I'm in Trinidad, California. 00:25:50.560 --> 00:25:52.120 - Trinidad, California, welcome to the show. 00:25:52.120 --> 00:25:53.600 What's your question? 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:56.800 - My question is, is there any hope 00:25:56.800 --> 00:26:01.320 for getting off of the SSRI LetsaPro? 00:26:01.320 --> 00:26:03.760 I have been on it for 17 years. 00:26:03.760 --> 00:26:06.200 I went on it in graduate school. 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.200 I've tried to get off it a number of times 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.240 over four months weaning periods 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:16.480 and it triggers a withdrawal, deep sadness 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.280 that's pretty out of control. 00:26:18.280 --> 00:26:22.120 And then most recently a symptom I've never experienced 00:26:22.120 --> 00:26:25.760 before which is almost like extreme highs and extreme lows. 00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:30.560 - Yeah, Dr. Peat, okay, the lady withdrawing from SSRI 00:26:30.560 --> 00:26:32.200 is experiencing extreme sadness 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:36.160 and the other mood related changes 00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:40.680 that SSRIs are supposedly indicated for in the first place. 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:45.680 - One of the chronic effects of serotonin promotion 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:50.920 is to interfere with cellular respiration. 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:55.400 And that should be under the control of a thyroid 00:26:55.400 --> 00:27:00.160 but that gradually is depleted 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:05.160 and glycolytic energy production tends to replace it. 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:10.680 So you have to get back to reactivate oxidative metabolism 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:19.680 while suppressing the glycolysis and lactic acid production. 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:25.480 And carbon dioxide is a main regulator of metabolism. 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:31.320 It helps to keep serotonin under control, 00:27:31.320 --> 00:27:33.760 keep oxidation running 00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:37.600 and suppress the production of lactic acid. 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:43.480 And working on everything connected to the thyroid function 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:49.420 will gradually wean you away from that, 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:54.420 that stimulation that comes from the SSRI. 00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:57.860 - So do you think this particular person 00:27:57.860 --> 00:28:01.540 would be a good candidate to self-assess 00:28:01.540 --> 00:28:04.940 their metabolic rate, temperature and their pulses 00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:07.340 and then see from there whether or not 00:28:07.340 --> 00:28:10.300 they look like they are, excuse me, 00:28:10.300 --> 00:28:12.980 either low thyroid or not responding 00:28:12.980 --> 00:28:15.340 or the body's not responding as it would normally 00:28:15.340 --> 00:28:19.380 in a healthy individual from the stimuli of thyroid hormone? 00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:23.020 And then from there get to a place where they could 00:28:23.020 --> 00:28:26.100 slowly but surely use thyroid hormone 00:28:26.100 --> 00:28:28.260 along with adequate dietary sugars 00:28:28.260 --> 00:28:31.100 and withdrawal from polyunsaturates 00:28:31.100 --> 00:28:32.700 and all the other negative things 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:34.860 that affect thyroid function to get to a place 00:28:34.860 --> 00:28:38.820 where they could regain their proper control 00:28:38.820 --> 00:28:40.380 of their metabolism and-- 00:28:40.380 --> 00:28:45.380 - Yeah, vitamin D and calcium are usually helpful 00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:49.100 to get the thyroid going again. 00:28:49.100 --> 00:28:51.780 - Okay, does that make any sense to you, Carla? 00:28:51.780 --> 00:28:57.500 - Yes, is that something that your office 00:28:57.500 --> 00:29:01.220 would also work with somebody on or is that-- 00:29:01.220 --> 00:29:03.900 - Yeah, I could work with you on that for sure. 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:05.900 - Okay. 00:29:05.900 --> 00:29:09.580 - You can always contact me any time, Monday through Friday. 00:29:09.580 --> 00:29:11.580 I'll give out the information at the end of the show 00:29:11.580 --> 00:29:14.540 but I'm sure there's probably plenty 00:29:14.540 --> 00:29:16.780 that could be done for you if you've been 00:29:16.780 --> 00:29:18.700 struggling with this this long. 00:29:18.700 --> 00:29:19.900 - Thank you so much, both of you. 00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:21.180 I appreciate the time. 00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:22.620 - I was curious about something you mentioned, 00:29:22.620 --> 00:29:23.500 carbon dioxide. 00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:25.660 Could that be one reason why exercise 00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:28.180 improves people's mood and regular exercise 00:29:28.180 --> 00:29:30.540 helps because you're producing more carbon dioxide? 00:29:30.540 --> 00:29:32.140 - Well, you're probably producing less of it 00:29:32.140 --> 00:29:37.060 if you're working anaerobically exercising. 00:29:37.060 --> 00:29:38.700 You're probably blowing off more CO2 00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.420 than you would if you didn't do that. 00:29:40.420 --> 00:29:44.340 - Yeah, there's evidence that too much exercise 00:29:44.340 --> 00:29:47.340 when you get to the point of fatigue, 00:29:48.260 --> 00:29:52.300 serotonin is the signal that creates fatigue 00:29:52.300 --> 00:29:57.300 and it can lead to the chronic fatigue syndrome 00:29:57.300 --> 00:30:01.060 which tends to go with inflamed muscles 00:30:01.060 --> 00:30:02.940 and any other symptoms. 00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:05.660 - It's probably the endorphins you're responding to 00:30:05.660 --> 00:30:07.620 when you say that exercise makes you feel good. 00:30:07.620 --> 00:30:10.540 I think there's some of those endorphins 00:30:10.540 --> 00:30:13.900 that are naturally produced as a part of a stress response 00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:16.740 to exercise like that that probably dulls 00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.140 the pain of the exercise. 00:30:18.140 --> 00:30:21.700 - And they have looked at the blood condition 00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:26.700 of intense, like a soccer players or marathon runners 00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:34.580 and find evidence of breakdown of the blood brain barrier 00:30:34.580 --> 00:30:39.700 in all of these very high stress athletics. 00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:41.940 - All right, good. 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:42.780 There's two callers on the air. 00:30:42.780 --> 00:30:44.940 So let's get these callers get going here. 00:30:44.940 --> 00:30:46.700 So first caller, you're on the air, 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:48.740 where are you from and what's your question? 00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:50.740 - Hi, is this me? 00:30:50.740 --> 00:30:52.980 - Yeah, yeah, where are you from? 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:54.260 - I'm from Utah. 00:30:54.260 --> 00:30:56.580 - Utah, okay, what's your question? 00:30:56.580 --> 00:30:59.900 - My question is, I've got a family member 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:02.580 who has been taking prednisone, 00:31:02.580 --> 00:31:06.180 I think five milligrams for the past several years. 00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.420 And at this point they'd like to get off of it, 00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:12.220 but it seems like they're reliant on it. 00:31:13.940 --> 00:31:18.940 What would you suggest as a strategy to address that? 00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:21.780 - What were they using prednisone for? 00:31:21.780 --> 00:31:28.260 - For initially a diagnosis of rheumatoid arthritis 00:31:28.260 --> 00:31:30.540 and pain in general. 00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:35.340 - Dr. Peat, if somebody wants to withdraw from prednisone 00:31:35.340 --> 00:31:37.780 and its damaging effects, and they've been put on it 00:31:37.780 --> 00:31:42.780 because they've got either inflammatory damage or changes 00:31:42.860 --> 00:31:44.340 in the pain, et cetera, et cetera, 00:31:44.340 --> 00:31:49.100 for the reasons that they prescribe steroids, 00:31:49.100 --> 00:31:50.660 what would you suggest? 00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:53.300 - Behind the original diagnosis, 00:31:53.300 --> 00:31:56.420 there was probably something like a vitamin D deficiency 00:31:56.420 --> 00:31:58.140 or low thyroid function. 00:31:58.140 --> 00:32:03.140 And so you wanna make sure that you're not forgetting 00:32:03.140 --> 00:32:08.500 what led to the original prescription of the drug. 00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:11.300 - 'Cause the rheumatoid is just an inflammatory, 00:32:11.300 --> 00:32:13.060 an inflammatory arthritis. 00:32:13.060 --> 00:32:16.700 So you'd characterize that inflammation 00:32:16.700 --> 00:32:20.460 as probably being related to things like serotonin, 00:32:20.460 --> 00:32:25.180 related to just basic energy deficit. 00:32:25.180 --> 00:32:28.460 - Serotonin is elevated in all of the autoimmune 00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:30.940 so-called diseases. 00:32:30.940 --> 00:32:33.700 And so correcting the energy problem 00:32:33.700 --> 00:32:38.700 with calcium, vitamin D, and thyroid is usually the basis 00:32:40.300 --> 00:32:44.700 for getting the original symptoms corrected. 00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:48.980 Then you can just taper off the prednisone. 00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:50.860 - Okay, does that-- 00:32:50.860 --> 00:32:52.100 - I see. 00:32:52.100 --> 00:32:55.860 Is there any, how would you feel about addressing 00:32:55.860 --> 00:32:59.140 the prednisone use directly with something like 00:32:59.140 --> 00:33:01.900 pregnenolone or other hormones? 00:33:01.900 --> 00:33:06.060 - I've known several people who accidentally got addicted 00:33:06.060 --> 00:33:10.220 to a glucocorticoid such as prednisone 00:33:10.220 --> 00:33:15.140 who used either progesterone or pregnenolone 00:33:15.140 --> 00:33:17.940 to taper off and got off it in just a few weeks. 00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:20.180 - There you go. 00:33:20.180 --> 00:33:21.340 - Good to hear. 00:33:21.340 --> 00:33:22.180 Thank you. 00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:23.420 - Yeah, thank you for your call. 00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:27.500 Okay, just to remind people here, 00:33:27.500 --> 00:33:30.540 wanted to question Dr. Peat again 00:33:30.540 --> 00:33:33.700 and just bring out this whole selective serotonin 00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:37.060 reuptake inhibitor, just nightmare, 00:33:37.060 --> 00:33:39.260 poor information, bad information, 00:33:39.260 --> 00:33:43.180 very damaging in how the whole serotonin issue 00:33:43.180 --> 00:33:48.180 plays into cell inflammation and just basic destruction. 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:49.540 We've got another caller on the air, 00:33:49.540 --> 00:33:51.140 so let's get this next caller. 00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:52.460 Caller, you're on the air, where are you from? 00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:53.500 What's your question? 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:56.100 - I'm right here in Garboville, 00:33:56.100 --> 00:33:59.220 and I'll make this as quick as possible. 00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:02.060 As far as I can tell what you guys are talking about, 00:34:02.060 --> 00:34:04.220 may key into what I'm going through. 00:34:04.220 --> 00:34:06.980 I'm going under a lot of stress lately, 00:34:08.500 --> 00:34:12.020 and certain health things have been flaring up, 00:34:12.020 --> 00:34:15.260 aches and pains, various other things, 00:34:15.260 --> 00:34:17.700 and my mood has been pretty down. 00:34:17.700 --> 00:34:21.820 My question is, though, is kind of anecdotal. 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:24.580 I've been craving a lot of milk. 00:34:24.580 --> 00:34:27.260 Like, middle of the night, I'll wake up feeling funky, 00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:28.700 and I want milk. 00:34:28.700 --> 00:34:30.900 Or during the day, if I want something refreshing, 00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:31.940 I want milk. 00:34:31.940 --> 00:34:36.180 I heard Dr. Peat say vitamin D and calcium 00:34:36.180 --> 00:34:38.300 are both essential to thyroid function, 00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:42.820 so I'm wondering, is there a chance that 00:34:42.820 --> 00:34:45.420 my stressed-out state is depressing my thyroid, 00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:48.820 therefore my body is wanting more calcium and vitamin D? 00:34:48.820 --> 00:34:49.660 - Very much so, yeah. 00:34:49.660 --> 00:34:50.500 Dr. Peat? 00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:52.220 - Yeah, almost. 00:34:52.220 --> 00:34:58.900 Disregarding the cause of the stress, 00:34:58.900 --> 00:35:02.420 all of the stress hormones rise at night 00:35:02.420 --> 00:35:03.940 just because of the darkness, 00:35:03.940 --> 00:35:07.100 but any particular stress you're having 00:35:07.100 --> 00:35:11.340 will just make it worse for all of the stress hormones. 00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:16.340 And serotonin happens to activate every pituitary hormone, 00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:22.100 and those all rise during the night. 00:35:22.100 --> 00:35:29.020 Calcium and sugar and thyroid are the three crucial things 00:35:29.020 --> 00:35:36.300 for minimizing that nocturnal rise of stress. 00:35:37.300 --> 00:35:40.820 So basically, it sounds like my body's 00:35:40.820 --> 00:35:41.940 trying to tell me something. 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:44.540 - Yeah, but from a calcium and vitamin D perspective, 00:35:44.540 --> 00:35:46.940 the milk would definitely be a good idea. 00:35:46.940 --> 00:35:50.020 And like Dr. Peat says, when your stress is rising 00:35:50.020 --> 00:35:53.700 during the nighttime due to the fast of not eating 00:35:53.700 --> 00:35:55.980 or drinking when you're asleep, 00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:57.260 milk's actually a very good, 00:35:57.260 --> 00:35:59.660 I mean, prior to bedtime, it's a very good idea 00:35:59.660 --> 00:36:03.740 to consume milk and/or sweet milk or custard 00:36:03.740 --> 00:36:07.860 or that kind of product because of the calcium content 00:36:07.860 --> 00:36:11.220 and in the milk, if it's fortified, 00:36:11.220 --> 00:36:13.860 perhaps the vitamin D content in the milk. 00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:15.460 But that's why it's so important to make sure 00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:18.540 you get a good source of vitamin D, 00:36:18.540 --> 00:36:22.820 either Carlson Labs do a 4,000 IU per drop vitamin D. 00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:25.860 And vitamin D is just gaining more and more traction 00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:30.340 as a panacea for a lot of different inflammatory processes 00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:32.100 because of its utility in that. 00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:34.900 - Excellent, thank you so much, guys. 00:36:34.900 --> 00:36:36.180 - Yeah, you're welcome. 00:36:36.180 --> 00:36:38.580 Okay, so it's 20 to eight. 00:36:38.580 --> 00:36:39.860 The number, if you wanna call in, 00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:44.860 it's 707-923-3911, Dr. Peat expanding his understanding 00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:50.900 and information of things that we are all misinformed about 00:36:50.900 --> 00:36:55.180 and serotonin is his latest newsletter. 00:36:55.180 --> 00:36:56.940 We mentioned last month, Dr. Peat, 00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:00.940 the whole travesty surrounding the SSRIs, 00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:03.060 their prescription, their overprescription, 00:37:03.060 --> 00:37:05.900 the suicides resulting from it, 00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:10.220 and the complicit behavior of pharmaceutical companies, 00:37:10.220 --> 00:37:13.580 as well as political entities and government even, 00:37:13.580 --> 00:37:15.900 for allowing this kind of thing to go unchecked 00:37:15.900 --> 00:37:17.460 when actually the evidence is there 00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:20.260 to very much dam the product. 00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:23.700 And how the whole misinterpretation of serotonin 00:37:23.700 --> 00:37:27.980 as a happy hormone, how this whole quip, 00:37:27.980 --> 00:37:30.060 this cliche is just gripped hold of everybody. 00:37:30.060 --> 00:37:32.300 And if you talk to anyone about serotonin or melatonin, 00:37:32.300 --> 00:37:34.740 they will tell you, "Oh, it improves your sleep," 00:37:34.740 --> 00:37:36.140 or "It makes you feel good." 00:37:36.140 --> 00:37:38.740 And I found it so hard to find any information 00:37:38.740 --> 00:37:41.660 on the internet about serotonin being anything 00:37:41.660 --> 00:37:45.060 other than good for you that I was gonna get into it 00:37:45.060 --> 00:37:48.740 during this show about some of the things 00:37:48.740 --> 00:37:53.260 that are purported by various entities for serotonin 00:37:53.260 --> 00:37:57.300 and how it seems like there's absolutely nothing wrong 00:37:57.300 --> 00:38:01.220 with serotonin and serotonin has got the best kind 00:38:01.220 --> 00:38:02.940 of advertising going for it. 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:05.180 But we'll get into that after this next caller 00:38:05.180 --> 00:38:07.700 'cause we do have another caller who's called in. 00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:10.700 So let's take this caller away from, what's your question? 00:38:10.700 --> 00:38:12.780 - From New York. 00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:13.620 Can you hear me? 00:38:13.620 --> 00:38:14.780 - Yeah, could you speak up a little? 00:38:14.780 --> 00:38:15.620 I think you may be. 00:38:15.620 --> 00:38:18.540 - Okay, I have a couple of questions. 00:38:18.540 --> 00:38:22.300 First one, you talked about PUFA and how damaging it is, 00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:24.780 and particularly it accumulates with age. 00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:28.860 And Dr. Peat, I was just wondering if it's mitigated 00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:32.660 by taking vitamin E since it's very hard 00:38:32.660 --> 00:38:36.580 to calculate how much PUFA you take in every day, 00:38:36.580 --> 00:38:40.700 why wouldn't you over time be taking these small amounts 00:38:40.700 --> 00:38:43.060 of vitamin E to further protect yourself? 00:38:43.060 --> 00:38:46.220 I'm just curious 'cause you don't take vitamin E, right? 00:38:46.220 --> 00:38:50.300 - I use it on my skin because it irritates 00:38:50.300 --> 00:38:52.780 my digestive system to take it orally, 00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:56.600 but I think it is good to take a little bit of it. 00:38:58.620 --> 00:39:00.860 - Okay, so you're saying you do do that, 00:39:00.860 --> 00:39:03.700 but you do it more safely by not orally, 00:39:03.700 --> 00:39:05.700 but putting it on the skin. 00:39:05.700 --> 00:39:08.620 Okay, so my concept, I got the right interpretation. 00:39:08.620 --> 00:39:10.220 Okay, so you talked about CO2, 00:39:10.220 --> 00:39:12.680 I think the, somebody mentioned about running. 00:39:12.680 --> 00:39:14.780 Couple things on that. 00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:17.620 So when you run, assuming you're healthy, 00:39:17.620 --> 00:39:21.220 I think you do increase your CO2 at least initially, 00:39:21.220 --> 00:39:23.940 and I think you mentioned once you get to the point 00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:26.340 of fatigue and then you go over a level. 00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:30.020 But do you agree that initially, if you don't overdo it 00:39:30.020 --> 00:39:32.540 and everybody's got their own limit in terms of their health 00:39:32.540 --> 00:39:36.220 and their capacity for exercise, 00:39:36.220 --> 00:39:38.540 that you do increase your CO2 initially? 00:39:38.540 --> 00:39:40.460 Is that, do you agree with that? 00:39:40.460 --> 00:39:43.460 - Until you increase your lactic acid, 00:39:43.460 --> 00:39:47.580 and that's the first sign that you're damaging yourself. 00:39:47.580 --> 00:39:49.020 - Okay, so I know someone who, 00:39:49.020 --> 00:39:50.580 the minute they finish running, 00:39:50.580 --> 00:39:53.420 to take that risk into consideration, 00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:58.420 they go into a CO2 dry bath. 00:39:58.420 --> 00:40:02.420 Does that help mitigate the risk and the damage 00:40:02.420 --> 00:40:05.060 that actually is underway if you push beyond the limit? 00:40:05.060 --> 00:40:10.060 - Yeah, a CO2 bath is good almost for any condition, 00:40:10.060 --> 00:40:16.740 especially if you're at the point of making lactic acid, 00:40:16.740 --> 00:40:19.540 it'll help to recover quickly. 00:40:19.540 --> 00:40:20.580 - Right, okay. 00:40:20.580 --> 00:40:23.980 And the other question I had relating to thyroid, 00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:27.660 you know, the test that Broterbarnes, 00:40:27.660 --> 00:40:30.100 I think the way Broterbarnes got into this business 00:40:30.100 --> 00:40:31.420 is because he had to pick a gland. 00:40:31.420 --> 00:40:33.020 If I read his book correctly, 00:40:33.020 --> 00:40:34.460 and everybody else, the other glands were taken, 00:40:34.460 --> 00:40:35.740 so he did this. 00:40:35.740 --> 00:40:38.260 And obviously his experience and the number of patients 00:40:38.260 --> 00:40:41.500 he had over time gave him a massive amount of information. 00:40:41.500 --> 00:40:43.780 But there's, in my humble opinion, 00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:45.780 it's just an opinion, I've never met the man, 00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:47.580 but I think your knowledge, your depth and breadth 00:40:47.580 --> 00:40:50.180 of physiology and knowledge is just so much broader 00:40:50.180 --> 00:40:54.340 than his, and I'm just thinking that there must be 00:40:54.340 --> 00:40:57.340 a better way than the basic methods, 00:40:57.340 --> 00:41:00.900 that the knee and other reflexes and the temperature, 00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:02.860 which is kind of imperfect. 00:41:02.860 --> 00:41:06.740 - Oh, the oxygen consumption is by far the best. 00:41:06.740 --> 00:41:07.740 - Oh, sorry, which one? 00:41:07.740 --> 00:41:09.220 - Oxygen consumption. 00:41:09.220 --> 00:41:11.420 - How do you get that one? 00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:18.060 - There might still be apparatus available on the internet, 00:41:18.060 --> 00:41:22.180 old used medical equipment for measuring the BMR. 00:41:22.180 --> 00:41:24.980 They should cost about $200, 00:41:24.980 --> 00:41:27.900 because it's just an inverted tank 00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:32.900 and a measuring indicator for how far you make the tank sink 00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:39.340 as you breathe the oxygen out of the air 00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:42.080 that's holding the tank up in the water. 00:41:43.620 --> 00:41:48.620 And that was used medically around the world 00:41:48.620 --> 00:41:51.500 for diagnosing hypothyroidism. 00:41:51.500 --> 00:41:56.460 According to that, 30% of Americans 00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:59.220 were hypothyroid in 1940. 00:41:59.220 --> 00:42:05.220 And if you use that apparatus now, it's more like 60%. 00:42:05.220 --> 00:42:07.860 - I agree, and particularly if you do it by age group, 00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:10.380 it's even higher for old people like me. 00:42:11.540 --> 00:42:13.860 The other question, sorry, is, 00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:20.420 if you, so the imperfect ways of diagnosing hypothyroidism, 00:42:20.420 --> 00:42:22.960 you know, you've gone through those pretty well, 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.180 but, and you mentioned pulse, 00:42:25.180 --> 00:42:26.020 but you know, to me, 00:42:26.020 --> 00:42:29.060 pulse is correlated to blood pressure. 00:42:29.060 --> 00:42:32.260 So what would you say about a person who, 00:42:32.260 --> 00:42:34.120 you know, you're not sure about whether they have it, 00:42:34.120 --> 00:42:36.340 but you know, the hypothyroid problem, 00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:38.300 or whether it's like minor, 00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:41.220 but their blood pressure is 120 over 80. 00:42:41.220 --> 00:42:43.700 I'm just giving you, and it's always 120 over 80. 00:42:43.700 --> 00:42:45.620 When they sit down, they measure it's 120. 00:42:45.620 --> 00:42:47.260 You stand up, you're supposed to stand up 00:42:47.260 --> 00:42:48.980 to see whether it's really an accurate measurement. 00:42:48.980 --> 00:42:51.100 And it stays around 120 over 80 00:42:51.100 --> 00:42:52.820 immediately after standing up. 00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:57.300 That means the blood pressure is stable consistently. 00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:59.340 Does that tell you anything that, 00:42:59.340 --> 00:43:00.500 since it's related to pulse, 00:43:00.500 --> 00:43:02.740 that might be, you know, also some information 00:43:02.740 --> 00:43:05.020 that would give you insight into whether or not 00:43:05.020 --> 00:43:07.360 someone's chronically hypothyroid? 00:43:09.740 --> 00:43:14.740 In my experience, that would mean very good nervous system 00:43:14.740 --> 00:43:18.140 energy regulating things. 00:43:18.140 --> 00:43:24.780 But I've known a few people who can't increase their pulse, 00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:27.780 even with exercise. 00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:28.820 That's me. 00:43:28.820 --> 00:43:29.660 I can't do that. 00:43:29.660 --> 00:43:30.480 I can't do it. 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:31.320 You're right. 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:32.140 That's me. 00:43:32.140 --> 00:43:33.420 I'm sorry, continue. 00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:37.260 Well, that would be a good argument 00:43:37.260 --> 00:43:39.740 for measuring your oxygen consumption 00:43:39.740 --> 00:43:44.740 because you can't have any other explanation 00:43:44.740 --> 00:43:50.460 for low oxygen consumption than a need for more thyroid. 00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:52.260 Yeah, the reason I say this 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:53.700 is 'cause I have a pulse around 60. 00:43:53.700 --> 00:43:55.420 I can maybe get it up to 70 sometimes 00:43:55.420 --> 00:43:58.460 when I go to the doctor, but I'm always 120 over 80. 00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:00.100 And I do the standup to double check it. 00:44:00.100 --> 00:44:00.940 I'm always, they say, 00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:03.260 "Wow, your blood pressure's right on the money." 00:44:03.260 --> 00:44:06.780 Yeah, but my pulse, according, I tell this, seems low. 00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:08.580 And they said, "No, you must be an athlete." 00:44:08.580 --> 00:44:10.140 It's typical. 00:44:10.140 --> 00:44:13.580 Cholesterol is another pretty good indicator 00:44:13.580 --> 00:44:14.420 if you're cholesterol. 00:44:14.420 --> 00:44:16.340 Actually, actually, one other quick story. 00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:19.000 So the doctor told me I had like one, 00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:23.380 no, 330 was my total cholesterol, right? 00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:24.900 I'm about 60, right? 00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:26.300 I go, "So I wanna put you on statins." 00:44:26.300 --> 00:44:28.140 I said, "Well, do you know that there's a guy 00:44:28.140 --> 00:44:30.740 "from Stanford who said that it's salt?" 00:44:30.740 --> 00:44:32.060 And I said, "No, I'm not gonna take 'em, 00:44:32.060 --> 00:44:33.420 "but I'll come back and see you." 00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:35.980 So then what I did, I took some thyroid, 00:44:35.980 --> 00:44:37.500 but I also increased my salt, 00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:39.420 and I did a lot of things that you suggest. 00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:43.300 Came back, dropped like 100 over 150 points. 00:44:43.300 --> 00:44:44.700 The guy was like, "Wow, that's incredible. 00:44:44.700 --> 00:44:46.180 "Could I see you again?" 00:44:46.180 --> 00:44:48.500 And just to confirm it, he goes, "How did you do that?" 00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:49.500 (laughs) 00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:53.420 And literally, you've been saying this for 30 years, 00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:55.340 and no one wants to listen. 00:44:55.340 --> 00:44:58.080 And I just did the basic things, nothing fancy. 00:44:58.080 --> 00:45:00.780 And what you said is exactly correct. 00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:02.860 Anyway, you're a legend. 00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:04.620 Thank you very much for answering my questions. 00:45:04.620 --> 00:45:05.620 I appreciate your time. 00:45:05.620 --> 00:45:07.180 - Okay, thank you for your call. 00:45:07.180 --> 00:45:08.780 All right, so we got 10 minutes left here. 00:45:08.780 --> 00:45:11.300 If you'd like to call in with questions related, 00:45:11.300 --> 00:45:16.300 or unrelated, but related to medical issues or questions, 00:45:16.300 --> 00:45:20.380 the number is 707-923-3911. 00:45:20.380 --> 00:45:21.700 Dr. Raymond Peat will be with us 00:45:21.700 --> 00:45:23.340 for the next eight minutes or so. 00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:27.100 So Dr. Peat, I've hardly covered anything 00:45:27.100 --> 00:45:29.180 that I had originally set out to ask you 00:45:29.180 --> 00:45:30.900 about some of these misconceptions, 00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:33.340 and I'm not saying that's a bad thing, 00:45:33.340 --> 00:45:35.820 because you've spent a long time elaborating 00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:36.940 on some of the answers for this, 00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:38.540 and we've had plenty of callers. 00:45:38.540 --> 00:45:42.620 I did want to do another misconception, 00:45:42.620 --> 00:45:45.060 and I think next month, I'd like very much 00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:47.480 to carry on with the serotonin, 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:52.640 yeah, the serotonin mistakes, 00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:54.580 and just question you a little more 00:45:54.580 --> 00:45:59.180 about the whole tryptophan and its conversion to serotonin 00:45:59.180 --> 00:46:02.820 and how our diets are rich in tryptophan, 00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:03.900 whether we like it or not, 00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:06.140 unless we are very fastidious about it, 00:46:06.140 --> 00:46:08.340 and we don't produce our own tryptophan, per se, 00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:12.700 to be synthesized de novo. 00:46:12.700 --> 00:46:15.780 But I'll leave that for the next month, 00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:17.460 'cause there's another question I wanted to ask you 00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:19.380 about things that we've heard, 00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:21.860 that it's just another example of how we get brainwashed 00:46:21.860 --> 00:46:24.700 into believing something that's not actually true, 00:46:24.700 --> 00:46:27.340 but we do actually have another caller who's called in here. 00:46:27.340 --> 00:46:29.300 So let's take this next caller. 00:46:29.300 --> 00:46:31.380 Caller, you're on the air. 00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:33.580 Where are you from, and what's your question? 00:46:33.580 --> 00:46:36.580 - Hi, this is a caller from Utah again. 00:46:36.580 --> 00:46:39.820 Just had a question related to exercise. 00:46:39.820 --> 00:46:46.300 So I enjoy certain types of exercise, 00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:51.220 mostly things that you could consider as a game, 00:46:51.220 --> 00:46:53.260 like basketball or soccer or volleyball, 00:46:53.260 --> 00:47:00.220 and I've noticed that those are way more fun 00:47:01.100 --> 00:47:02.820 than something like chess 00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.820 or something that doesn't involve exertion. 00:47:05.820 --> 00:47:10.300 I'm wondering if you think that 00:47:10.300 --> 00:47:14.180 it would be probably more ideal 00:47:14.180 --> 00:47:16.820 if you could get that same sort of enjoyment 00:47:16.820 --> 00:47:19.940 from something that involves less energy expenditure, 00:47:19.940 --> 00:47:23.700 or if maybe the reliance on something like that 00:47:23.700 --> 00:47:28.700 is a symptom of something maybe unideal in the environment 00:47:28.900 --> 00:47:32.420 that kind of makes you turn to something like that? 00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:35.340 - Yeah, I think the experience of having fun 00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:37.900 or doing something meaningful 00:47:37.900 --> 00:47:42.660 powerfully overrides the toxic effects 00:47:42.660 --> 00:47:45.420 of lactic acid and serotonin 00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:48.180 and can push things back into shape 00:47:48.180 --> 00:47:53.180 just because that's how the organism builds itself, 00:47:53.180 --> 00:47:57.740 is doing meaningful things and having fun. 00:47:58.740 --> 00:48:01.500 - Gotcha, so, but on the surface, 00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:03.820 it doesn't really seem like a sport 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:05.700 really has that much meaning to it, 00:48:05.700 --> 00:48:08.540 so do you think that it might be a sign 00:48:08.540 --> 00:48:11.380 that you should be looking for a more ideal environment 00:48:11.380 --> 00:48:14.140 if you do find yourself turning to things like that? 00:48:14.140 --> 00:48:26.020 - Work really should be a fun exercise, 00:48:26.740 --> 00:48:31.180 but if you don't have experience 00:48:31.180 --> 00:48:35.820 in your ordinary working activities, 00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:40.100 I think it's good to have the game type of exercise. 00:48:40.100 --> 00:48:44.420 - Okay, cool, yeah, that makes sense. 00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:46.260 Thanks again, Dr. Peat. 00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:47.780 - Okay, I just wanted to interject there 00:48:47.780 --> 00:48:50.420 with something I read a little earlier on 00:48:50.420 --> 00:48:54.420 that mentioned that the whole learned helplessness concept, 00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:58.340 Dr. Peat talked about various animal models 00:48:58.340 --> 00:49:01.220 and the learned helplessness that they experience 00:49:01.220 --> 00:49:04.660 as a result of just giving up and it's just all too much. 00:49:04.660 --> 00:49:07.420 It's actually mediated by too much serotonin. 00:49:07.420 --> 00:49:09.100 What do you say to that, Dr. Peat? 00:49:09.100 --> 00:49:14.620 - Yeah, and it can be brought on by anything 00:49:14.620 --> 00:49:19.620 that overwhelms your self-regulation. 00:49:20.220 --> 00:49:24.500 I think a diagnosis often creates 00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:26.460 a learned helplessness situation 00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:31.460 and the person lets their serotonin get out of control. 00:49:31.460 --> 00:49:35.180 - Yeah, I think that's a very good point. 00:49:35.180 --> 00:49:38.500 I've long said for a long, long time now 00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:40.740 that a diagnosis is probably the worst thing 00:49:40.740 --> 00:49:44.700 that a person can get and I think-- 00:49:44.700 --> 00:49:46.700 - Why do they call it a die diagnosis? 00:49:46.700 --> 00:49:48.620 - Yeah, I don't know. 00:49:48.620 --> 00:49:51.820 But I often think that as organisms, 00:49:51.820 --> 00:49:54.140 as energetic spiritual beings that we are, 00:49:54.140 --> 00:49:56.220 when we get a diagnosis of something 00:49:56.220 --> 00:49:59.820 that is quote unquote terminal or just serious, 00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:02.300 I think it's the worst thing in the world to hear 00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:07.300 because I think energetically it just whacks you for six. 00:50:07.300 --> 00:50:11.420 - And the diagnosis is almost certain to be wrong 00:50:11.420 --> 00:50:16.420 in some of its explanations and it makes you think 00:50:16.700 --> 00:50:21.700 of yourself as a machine that needs fixing. 00:50:21.700 --> 00:50:26.420 - All right, well, we'll cover a little more of that 00:50:26.420 --> 00:50:27.700 maybe next month. 00:50:27.700 --> 00:50:29.940 Like I said, next month I really want to, 00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:32.540 I want to play devil's advocate with you 00:50:32.540 --> 00:50:35.940 so far as serotonin's concerned and explore that link, 00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:38.060 go down the rabbit hole with serotonin 00:50:38.060 --> 00:50:41.900 or rather with tryptophan and its conversion into serotonin 00:50:41.900 --> 00:50:44.940 and how the whole industry got generated 00:50:44.940 --> 00:50:47.500 with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors 00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:51.100 that prevent its breakdown to enable the serotonin 00:50:51.100 --> 00:50:53.940 in the membrane space there to last longer 00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:56.820 and to make you feel good and just to do all that good stuff 00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:58.340 when obviously there's a lot of research 00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:00.020 showing how dangerous it is. 00:51:00.020 --> 00:51:03.580 - It interacts with the antioxidant industry too. 00:51:03.580 --> 00:51:04.820 - Okay. 00:51:04.820 --> 00:51:07.660 - They come together in very interesting ways. 00:51:07.660 --> 00:51:08.740 - I bet they do, good, all right. 00:51:08.740 --> 00:51:11.220 Well, I've got plenty more questions I want to ask you 00:51:11.220 --> 00:51:12.660 and we do still have about seven minutes. 00:51:12.660 --> 00:51:15.300 So talking about oxidants, antioxidants 00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:18.220 might be a good place to finish up 00:51:18.220 --> 00:51:19.780 questioning you this month, 00:51:19.780 --> 00:51:21.700 but to start that for next month 00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:25.780 and then get into the whole issue around tryptophan 00:51:25.780 --> 00:51:29.260 and how we can cut this out of our diet as best we can, 00:51:29.260 --> 00:51:32.300 but how obviously it's needed. 00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:34.180 There's a certain amount of serotonin 00:51:34.180 --> 00:51:37.580 that is part and parcel of regulating our physiology 00:51:37.580 --> 00:51:39.100 because there are certain things 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:44.100 that are implicated in serotonin's secretion 00:51:44.100 --> 00:51:46.940 that are quote unquote necessary. 00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:51.940 But the other dogma then about oxidants and antioxidants, 00:51:51.940 --> 00:51:56.340 we're always told, oh, antioxidants are good for you. 00:51:56.340 --> 00:52:00.620 They kind of mitigate the damage that oxidants cause 00:52:00.620 --> 00:52:02.420 and oxidation is a bad thing. 00:52:02.420 --> 00:52:04.740 If you think about a cut apple, 00:52:04.740 --> 00:52:07.420 the surface of a cut apple turning brown, 00:52:07.420 --> 00:52:09.140 that's an oxidation reaction. 00:52:09.140 --> 00:52:14.180 And so, oxidation is not a good thing, right? 00:52:14.180 --> 00:52:17.620 It's like rust, it's breakdown, 00:52:17.620 --> 00:52:22.060 it's a kind of a failure as it were. 00:52:22.060 --> 00:52:25.940 So in terms of the antioxidant myth, 00:52:25.940 --> 00:52:31.740 have you got anything to say about oxidants and antioxidants 00:52:31.740 --> 00:52:34.860 that would better describe them 00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:39.860 and then maybe we might not feel quite so confused 00:52:39.860 --> 00:52:43.860 about the antioxidant myth that is surrounding 00:52:43.860 --> 00:52:48.580 taking antioxidants per se for health benefits? 00:52:48.580 --> 00:52:53.100 - One thing to keep in mind is that cancer cells 00:52:53.100 --> 00:52:58.100 have a very powerful intrinsic antioxidant system 00:52:58.100 --> 00:53:03.500 and what you want to do to restore health 00:53:03.500 --> 00:53:08.500 is to overcome that antioxidant system. 00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:13.660 And the Down's syndrome involves probably 00:53:13.660 --> 00:53:21.700 the crucial genetic problem is a huge overdose 00:53:21.700 --> 00:53:27.980 of the antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase, 00:53:27.980 --> 00:53:31.780 a thing that is being sold in health stores. 00:53:31.780 --> 00:53:32.620 - Right. 00:53:32.620 --> 00:53:35.980 - But when you add this extra gene 00:53:35.980 --> 00:53:40.980 for the superoxide dismutase to animals or cells in culture, 00:53:40.980 --> 00:53:47.100 it creates accelerated aging as in the Down's syndrome 00:53:47.100 --> 00:53:52.660 or in Alzheimer's disease. 00:53:52.660 --> 00:53:57.660 And the normal function of superoxide, 00:54:00.740 --> 00:54:05.740 it's just an oxygen molecule with an extra electron 00:54:05.740 --> 00:54:11.660 and it seems to be the active agent 00:54:11.660 --> 00:54:16.660 in the monoamine oxidase enzyme for destroying serotonin. 00:54:16.660 --> 00:54:22.540 And so the Down's syndrome platelet 00:54:22.540 --> 00:54:27.900 is unable to destroy serotonin, unable to hold it even. 00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:33.260 And so the person is saturated with free serotonin 00:54:33.260 --> 00:54:38.700 because the system isn't able to destroy it 00:54:38.700 --> 00:54:40.340 at a normal speed. 00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:42.740 - Interesting. 00:54:42.740 --> 00:54:45.620 Now, they call Down's syndrome, 00:54:45.620 --> 00:54:48.340 it had the old name of trisomy 21, right? 00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:53.260 'Cause the gene, well, yeah, the chromosome 21, 00:54:53.260 --> 00:54:56.620 there was three copies and then they said, 00:54:56.620 --> 00:55:00.420 okay, there's an extra 50% increase 00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:03.900 in the products derived from that chromosome 00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:08.220 of which the gene encoding for superoxide dismutase 00:55:08.220 --> 00:55:09.300 was part of it. 00:55:09.300 --> 00:55:11.380 But I did read, and again, 00:55:11.380 --> 00:55:12.540 it's kind of confused me a little bit 00:55:12.540 --> 00:55:17.460 because I also read some other kind of quote unquote, 00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:19.300 conflicting information about that, 00:55:19.300 --> 00:55:23.540 saying that the same chromosome also had the genes 00:55:23.540 --> 00:55:28.220 for coding beta amyloid precursors, 00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:33.220 which have been implicated in Parkinson's Alzheimer's 00:55:33.220 --> 00:55:37.300 in terms of the amyloid protein deposition there. 00:55:37.300 --> 00:55:41.540 And also encoded for other oncogenes 00:55:41.540 --> 00:55:45.100 that cause these kind of negative metabolic processes 00:55:45.100 --> 00:55:47.060 in Down's patients. 00:55:47.060 --> 00:55:47.900 So-- 00:55:47.900 --> 00:55:52.900 - But the amyloid protein accumulates in many conditions 00:55:53.860 --> 00:55:57.380 where you're simply hypothyroid, for example, 00:55:57.380 --> 00:55:58.780 or under stress. 00:55:58.780 --> 00:56:03.860 But it's possible that there are many other defects, 00:56:03.860 --> 00:56:08.420 but the spectacular one is the failure of the platelet 00:56:08.420 --> 00:56:11.180 to oxidize serotonin. 00:56:11.180 --> 00:56:12.780 - Well, it's two minutes to, 00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:14.100 I'm gonna have to cut you short there, 00:56:14.100 --> 00:56:15.460 but thanks for joining us again. 00:56:15.460 --> 00:56:18.540 And next month we'll pick up where we left off. 00:56:18.540 --> 00:56:21.180 I think we've got plenty to go on here 00:56:21.180 --> 00:56:25.620 and hopefully re-educate as we go on. 00:56:25.620 --> 00:56:26.780 So thanks so much for your time. 00:56:26.780 --> 00:56:28.260 - Okay, thank you. 00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:31.060 - Okay, so you've listened to Ask Your Ob Doctor, 00:56:31.060 --> 00:56:34.020 KMED Gallup 91.1 FM. 00:56:34.020 --> 00:56:36.460 It's once a month from seven to 8 p.m. 00:56:36.460 --> 00:56:39.300 And we take callers from 7.30 to eight. 00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:41.580 Most people questioning Dr. P 00:56:41.580 --> 00:56:43.700 either about what he's talking about at the time 00:56:43.700 --> 00:56:46.540 or protocols they've been using, 00:56:46.540 --> 00:56:48.220 giving him positive feedback about that. 00:56:48.220 --> 00:56:50.540 As from tonight's person in New York, 00:56:50.540 --> 00:56:52.700 that was good to hear about his cholesterol. 00:56:52.700 --> 00:56:54.180 Dr. Peat's been saying that for a long time 00:56:54.180 --> 00:56:56.300 about high cholesterol patients using thyroid 00:56:56.300 --> 00:56:57.620 to bring it down. 00:56:57.620 --> 00:57:00.860 And it being a basic defect in high cholesterol 00:57:00.860 --> 00:57:03.860 is that most of it's due to hypothyroidism. 00:57:03.860 --> 00:57:08.860 So Dr. Peat's information is found at www.raypeat.com. 00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:11.940 He's got lots of articles that he's been publishing here 00:57:11.940 --> 00:57:13.860 for several decades now. 00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:15.140 He's written several books 00:57:15.140 --> 00:57:18.180 and he's got a wealth of information. 00:57:18.180 --> 00:57:20.340 The shows, unfortunately, 00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:23.780 I've got about two years worth of these shows 00:57:23.780 --> 00:57:25.940 to post on the internet on our website, 00:57:25.940 --> 00:57:28.540 which is westernbotanicalmedicine.com. 00:57:28.540 --> 00:57:33.260 I'm a graduated medical herbalist from England, 00:57:33.260 --> 00:57:34.580 producing herbal extracts, 00:57:34.580 --> 00:57:38.300 but Dr. Peat's wisdom has also guided my practice 00:57:38.300 --> 00:57:40.740 in seeing people. 00:57:40.740 --> 00:57:43.460 So anyway, yeah, westernbotanicalmedicine.com, 00:57:43.460 --> 00:57:44.660 raypeat.com. 00:57:44.660 --> 00:57:47.460 I'll see you next month at seven o'clock, 00:57:47.460 --> 00:57:48.660 third Friday of next month.