WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.720 Well, welcome to this month's March the 20th, 2020 edition of Ask Your Herb Doctor on KMUD 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:15.000 Garberville 91.1 FM. From 7.30 until the end of the show at 8 o'clock, you'll be invited to 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:22.120 call in with questions related to this month's very specific topic of the worldwide frenzy 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:29.980 surrounding the coronavirus. Dr. Peat is going to be joining us and he's bringing a very 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:37.280 interesting mental shift in the way that we're looking at this to bear. And just want to 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:44.520 state at the very outset of this that it's a very emotional subject and no one is taking 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:52.200 death lightly. When you've got loved ones that are dying, it's absolutely no joke. So 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:57.440 while some of the comments may seem a little light on it in terms of statistical numbers 00:00:57.440 --> 00:01:05.200 and some presentations from a Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg in Germany, I will give information 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:09.960 out for people to search all of this on the internet and see for themselves how some of 00:01:09.960 --> 00:01:18.080 these statistics have been extremely skewed and that the data can be seen fairly clearly 00:01:18.080 --> 00:01:24.920 from several other sites around the world that monitor outbreaks of viral pneumonia. 00:01:24.920 --> 00:01:31.680 So Dr. Peat, are you with us? Yes. Okay, thanks so much for joining us. As usual at the beginning 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:37.400 of the show, I always ask you to introduce yourself so that people who are listening 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:41.960 to the show, maybe haven't listened to you or heard you before, can find out a little 00:01:41.960 --> 00:01:45.960 more about you. And at the end of the show, we can give out your website where people 00:01:45.960 --> 00:01:50.760 can go read some of the abstracts and articles that you've written and find out some more 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:59.680 about you. Okay. I got a Master's of Arts degree in 1960 from University of Oregon, 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:10.720 then a PhD in 1972 specializing in physiology and biochemistry and have been concentrating 00:02:10.720 --> 00:02:21.200 on reproductive and aging biology but with special attention to the nervous system and 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:31.160 how nutrition interacts with those changes. And it turns out I never was at all interested 00:02:31.160 --> 00:02:40.080 in virology, but it happens that this particular virus impinges exactly on the things that 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:49.440 I've been working on for a long time, inflammation, aging, and cellular respiration. 00:02:49.440 --> 00:02:55.880 Excellent. Good. Okay. I know we've spoken the last few days here to thrash out some 00:02:55.880 --> 00:03:05.120 of the details surrounding the very alarming, certainly media alarming information and the 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:12.840 lockdown statewide in California and across the states in America, similar to what they 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:17.720 did in China. Anyway, without going too far into that, I think what I would like to try 00:03:17.720 --> 00:03:26.840 and do is to just outline influenza to people. I think a lot of the terms confuse people. 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:33.600 I think there's a lot of terms and a lot of, you know, synonyms given to things and that 00:03:33.600 --> 00:03:39.680 people need to understand what it is that we are working our way through here, what 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:46.760 we are dealing with, influenza, and the various designations given to these influenzas of 00:03:46.760 --> 00:03:53.440 which there are four, type A, B, C, and D, with only really type A, producing all of 00:03:53.440 --> 00:03:58.920 the major flus, the Spanish flu and the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, the bird flu and SARS 00:03:58.920 --> 00:04:03.400 and MERS, et cetera. These are all the things that I think have come to the public attention 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:10.040 over the years with, in the last 15 years for sure, the potential pandemics that never 00:04:10.040 --> 00:04:15.560 did become pandemics, but certainly were very fatal to those great percentage of people 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:24.200 that got them from the MERS and the SARS. So influenza, I mean, when most people get 00:04:24.200 --> 00:04:31.200 a common cold, a common coronavirus, it is another coronavirus, so let's not keep them 00:04:31.200 --> 00:04:37.680 separate so people can understand that the common cold is the same type of genera of 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:45.400 virus as is influenza. And that the main issue I think with this, before we get into some 00:04:45.400 --> 00:04:53.080 of the political and some of the actual facts around statistics that have really, I think, 00:04:53.080 --> 00:04:59.080 alarmed people, and not just to mention the people that have been shown in hospitals and 00:04:59.080 --> 00:05:06.160 on ventilators, and unfortunately for those people that have died, it is extremely tragic. 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:14.480 I'm not saying or downplaying it in any way. So influenza, as far as I know, the main thing 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:22.160 with influenza is the massive amount of inflammation that comes as the body's immune response to 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:31.960 the virus, and it's a severe complication that we get viral pneumonia, and that is and/or 00:05:31.960 --> 00:05:37.640 secondarily bacterially infected. And then so that you can get various strains of bacteria 00:05:37.640 --> 00:05:42.480 that wouldn't normally take up residence in the lungs that can become overwhelming to 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.440 a system that's already crashing because of the inflammation. 00:05:46.440 --> 00:05:57.000 Yeah, when a person gets a verified influenza virus, for example, a typical analysis will 00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:07.520 find various other viruses like common cold viruses and other respiratory pathogens as 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:16.520 well as the true influenza virus. So even when there's a confirmed definite flu virus, 00:06:16.520 --> 00:06:25.920 you can't be sure that that's really the culprit because like at present, most of the people 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:35.360 getting seriously sick or dying are old, definitely beyond their mid-50s, and the highest mortality 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:47.160 is over 70. And one place said that 99% of the people dying with the coronavirus were 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:55.960 suffering from other very serious things such as diabetes, hypertension, stroke symptoms, 00:06:55.960 --> 00:07:03.200 and things that made it much more likely that they would die from a stress. But also other 00:07:03.200 --> 00:07:09.320 pathogens take advantage of that weak condition. And then just because you have one particular 00:07:09.320 --> 00:07:17.320 pathogen that you have a test for, you can't be sure that that is really a contributing 00:07:17.320 --> 00:07:21.080 factor even when there are so many other pathogens present. 00:07:21.080 --> 00:07:29.920 Yeah. Okay, so somebody catches a species of virus known to cause influenza and that 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:37.980 then either does or doesn't become complicated. We've heard a lot in the news about this particular 00:07:37.980 --> 00:07:42.680 outbreak and we'll get into the, you know, whether it's a zoonotic infection or whether 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:50.840 it's weaponized and all of the things that have come out that are seemingly plausible. 00:07:50.840 --> 00:07:55.520 But I know we've got some facts coming out that I'd be very interested to hear from you. 00:07:55.520 --> 00:07:58.880 What you mentioned a couple of days ago, and I don't know how long it will take for that 00:07:58.880 --> 00:08:06.680 to propagate, but we'll find out from you in a moment. But the actual death rate really 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:11.240 is as you said, it's from the older populations, although there's been reports of people, young 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:17.360 people, old middle-aged people, have suddenly got the complications of this infection which 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:22.720 have become viral pneumonia and overwhelming inflammation. And that's how they suddenly 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:28.240 end up short, very short of breath and then needing ventilation in a hospital environment. 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:34.280 And it's the seemingly overburdened hospital system with those kind of cases that seems 00:08:34.280 --> 00:08:43.640 to be making the drastic news. So, so far as, let's get into the, let's get into the 00:08:43.640 --> 00:08:52.200 origin of this because I think most people are just buying the standard kind of doctrine 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:59.760 that this is coming out of China, it's a Chinese origin, it's come from a wet market and there's 00:08:59.760 --> 00:09:06.000 a zoonotic infection meaning that animal species that naturally have their own influenza, because 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:11.600 it's not just human beings that suffer from influenza, but bats and pigs and camels and 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:18.560 mice and civic cats, etc. Many species have their own type of influenza. But rather than 00:09:18.560 --> 00:09:25.920 the news talking about the wet markets and originating in Wuhan, you came out with some 00:09:25.920 --> 00:09:34.160 very interesting facts, interesting, controversial or shocking news about it. And in terms of 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:37.960 the gene sequencing that's happened, it's quite interesting for people to hear this, 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:43.560 so would you outline what you've understood as an origin for this? 00:09:43.560 --> 00:09:51.600 The virologists in Europe and the United States, South Korea, Taiwan, as well as China have 00:09:51.600 --> 00:10:05.480 the Chinese refer to the DNA sequence analysis as showing that the trunk of the series of 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:18.600 the family tree is in the United States. There are five different branches or varieties occurring 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:31.080 early in the United States before the strain in China identifies as the fourth or fifth 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:42.720 branch off this trunk. And that's based on the fact that they're analyzing substitutions 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:56.800 of bases in the DNA chain. And when you see three different changes, the third one, if 00:10:56.800 --> 00:11:01.320 you have one with two of the changes and then a third one with three changes and then a 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:10.760 fourth with four changes, the ones with the fewer changes necessarily came before the 00:11:10.760 --> 00:11:11.760 last one. 00:11:11.760 --> 00:11:18.080 This is like a phylogenetic tree in botany, right, where they classify the PCO. 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:26.600 The family tree of this virus shows that the one occurring in November in Wuhan will be 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.920 the fourth or fifth descendant of this virus. 00:11:30.920 --> 00:11:38.800 So what's the position on where this would have perhaps come from then? 00:11:38.800 --> 00:11:47.720 People have been pointing out, for example, a 2015 article in Nature magazine was just 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:57.840 a news item mentioning that people connected to the CDC, I think working at Fort Detrick, 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:09.160 Maryland, were working to produce a vaccine to the coronavirus. They were creating pathogens 00:12:09.160 --> 00:12:17.160 to develop a vaccine in advance so that when a natural epidemic broke out, they would have 00:12:17.160 --> 00:12:24.440 a vaccine ready because normally it takes 12 to 18 months to prepare a vaccine for a 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:25.840 new strain. 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:34.320 And by that time, the flu season has passed. And so the vaccine doesn't do much good. This 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:42.920 was pointed out in 1976 in connection with the so-called swine flu pandemic, which never 00:12:42.920 --> 00:12:53.840 existed. And the man who pointed out that the whole idea of making a vaccine for influenza, 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:59.880 a disease of that sort, which mutates rapidly and the vaccine production takes at least 00:12:59.880 --> 00:13:06.600 a year, that the whole thing, he said, was conceptually fraudulent. 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:13.880 So he got fired and the government announced a pandemic, but basically only one person 00:13:13.880 --> 00:13:19.400 died from that virus. So it definitely wasn't a pandemic. 00:13:19.400 --> 00:13:20.400 And that was back in 1976? 00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:29.280 '76, yeah, the swine, great swine flu pandemic, in which the only people died were a few hundred 00:13:29.280 --> 00:13:33.840 from the vaccine and a few thousand that got paralyzed from the vaccine. 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:40.720 Wow. Okay. So basically what you're saying is that when virologists look at the gene 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:48.680 sequencing of the current coronavirus and then they can see the genetic changes saying 00:13:48.680 --> 00:13:55.160 that there were four or five different steps before it, meaning that the current or the 00:13:55.160 --> 00:14:01.680 one that broke out in Wuhan had ancestors that they'd already known about in the United 00:14:01.680 --> 00:14:02.680 States. 00:14:02.680 --> 00:14:11.560 Yeah, but if the CDC could, in their lab, experimentally produce a pathogen that might 00:14:11.560 --> 00:14:17.040 naturally occur, if they could produce it before it naturally occurred, then they could 00:14:17.040 --> 00:14:22.880 have their vaccine ready for it. So they were working on that. That was reported as a news 00:14:22.880 --> 00:14:31.760 item in 2015 in Nature. But right below the title of that news item, the editors last 00:14:31.760 --> 00:14:39.720 month inserted an editorial note that people have been citing this as indicating the possibility 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:49.360 that the virus escaped from the CDC's Fort D'Etre lab. They said that wasn't a proper 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:50.760 thing to suggest. 00:14:50.760 --> 00:14:59.840 But even if it wasn't an escaped virus from a bioweapons lab, if they were working on 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:05.880 viruses that occur naturally and trying to find vaccines for those viruses, then... 00:15:05.880 --> 00:15:11.640 Yeah, that was a perfectly proper thing to do, according to their... They patented a 00:15:11.640 --> 00:15:23.840 coronavirus in 2003 specifically to work on that project. So there was nothing improper 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:31.400 conceptually that they wanted to be ready with a vaccine. But that was a 2015 news report 00:15:31.400 --> 00:15:40.040 in Nature magazine. And then last summer, either July or August, it was in the news 00:15:40.040 --> 00:15:47.760 that the CDC had ordered the closure of the virus lab at Fort D'Etre because they had 00:15:47.760 --> 00:16:00.280 carelessly let their escape protection system deteriorate and their water filtering system 00:16:00.280 --> 00:16:08.400 wasn't working. So they closed the lab because of the danger of an escaped virus. That was 00:16:08.400 --> 00:16:14.880 in August of last year, just two months before the outbreak. 00:16:14.880 --> 00:16:25.480 And then American soldiers have been participating in international military athletic contests. 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:35.880 It's been an opportunity for Olympic athletes to practice becoming soldiers so they can 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:44.240 full-time train while still being an amateur. And normally, they've scored very well in 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:55.600 world competitions. But last year, for unknown reasons, there were either 180 or more soldiers 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:05.960 there in the competitions. And they came in 35th in rank among all of the countries of 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:06.960 the world. 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:12.000 The US soldiers came in 35th in the competition that was held in Wuhan. 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:21.840 Yeah, that's what I've been reading. And the Chinese were ridiculing what miserable 00:17:21.840 --> 00:17:31.520 athletes they were and commenting on whether that reflected on the American army. But normally, 00:17:31.520 --> 00:17:36.240 the army athletes were outstanding Olympic quality. 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:42.320 Interesting. So it went from what you would normally expect in an Olympic competition 00:17:42.320 --> 00:17:47.560 presentation, you'd have people of the highest level. It went from that, what would normally 00:17:47.560 --> 00:17:55.720 happen to a stunning 35th place and comments about how amateurish the competitors from 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:56.720 America seemed. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:18:05.320 Yeah, the Chinese in particular were saying it was hard to imagine why they came in so 00:18:05.320 --> 00:18:06.320 poorly. 00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:13.640 Okay, you're listening to Ask Your Doctor on KMED Garbleville 91.1 FM from 7.30 to the 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:18.440 end of the show at 8 o'clock. You're invited to call in with questions related to this 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:25.400 current pandemic and the frenzy and hysteria that's been generated for sure about COVID-19. 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:36.920 So Dr. Peat, you were also mindful that when I first heard it, I just couldn't quite believe 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:45.320 it but the potential source of this could potentially have been from this country. And 00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:52.680 that I know there's been sparring between both nations about who to blame because most 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:58.640 people in the press wants to just take the natural assumption that these zoonotic infections, 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:04.280 they do occur and it's typically the finger pointing was at the wet market in Wuhan because 00:19:04.280 --> 00:19:11.960 it exists and animals have been known throughout history really to transmit disease to humans. 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:19.240 But this information about the phylogenetic tree of the virus' genome and how it's changed 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:26.240 over time indicates a historical timeline for it and that it was prior to the outbreak 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:32.360 here in Wuhan that the sequence originated. So that's very interesting. 00:19:32.360 --> 00:19:43.880 A very recent article was published by top rank virologists saying that this particular 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:53.280 virus was impossible to anticipate and to engineer. So even though that was the intent 00:19:53.280 --> 00:20:03.800 of the CDC for years was to make a pathogen, these recent virologists say that just the 00:20:03.800 --> 00:20:11.800 nature of this particular one, they can't foresee that anyone could have engineered 00:20:11.800 --> 00:20:16.640 this one. Okay, I think probably what we want to talk 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:24.880 about at this point in time is the numbers. Certainly from the alarmist point of view, 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:31.560 it's gripped everybody's attention. I would say that spectacularly having spectacularly 00:20:31.560 --> 00:20:38.880 gathered everybody's attention in one go, they, I say they, but I won't say they, this 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:46.240 event has shut down most of the western and the rest of the world in terms of paralyzing 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:55.400 it both economically and financially. And I guess it's one thing to see or to wonder 00:20:55.400 --> 00:21:01.720 how we're going to come out of this economically and another to speculate that people were 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:06.320 shorting the stocks or selling. We've had a couple of examples here of some 00:21:06.320 --> 00:21:11.600 senators who've sold several million dollars worth of stocks prior to this happening because 00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:14.320 of the briefing that was given back in late January. 00:21:14.320 --> 00:21:22.080 Yeah, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, the morning before 00:21:22.080 --> 00:21:30.320 he gave a talk and a week before announcing it to the public, he one morning sold 1.7 00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:36.520 billion. Okay, let's briefly mention this doctor's 00:21:36.520 --> 00:21:42.720 name because he's certainly in the news and he's been in the news before in 2010 when 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:49.520 he basically said the same kind of thing about a previous, I won't call it a pandemic because 00:21:49.520 --> 00:21:59.840 it never did turn out to be a pandemic, but Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, so Wolfgang, W-O-L-F-G-A-N-G, 00:21:59.840 --> 00:22:09.880 Wolfgang, and his last name is Wodarg, W-O-D-A-R-G. Would you like to speak a little bit to Wolfgang, 00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:15.280 his background, or we can get into the statistics that he highlights that at this point in time 00:22:15.280 --> 00:22:21.640 really basically flat out refuse to believe that this is anything exceptional. 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:27.240 And obviously there are links to potential for producing vaccines and all the money that's 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:31.560 involved in giving those contracts out and not only that, but to the people that would 00:22:31.560 --> 00:22:35.520 readily take it up given the scaremongering that's gone on with this. 00:22:35.520 --> 00:22:44.200 John Ioannidis is another very well-known professor who has analyzed other statistical 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:54.240 disease situations and he is suggesting that this might be history's greatest evidence 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.880 fiasco. 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:04.520 If that happens, though, considering the ruining the economy of the world, no one is going 00:23:04.520 --> 00:23:11.240 to be able to admit that. 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:18.760 There's going to be a great campaign of trying to convince the world that something really 00:23:18.760 --> 00:23:28.640 is happening despite Ioannidis and Wodarg's points that they can't see the evidence because 00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:35.440 they weren't doing the testing in previous years in a way that can be compared. 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:46.960 And the testing, creating many new testing kits, it's very useful and can be used to 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:49.640 help to control the virus. 00:23:49.640 --> 00:23:59.360 But when you look at its application in China, first it looked like 2.7% of those infected 00:23:59.360 --> 00:24:01.100 were dying. 00:24:01.100 --> 00:24:09.040 But as they produced huge amounts of the test kits and were testing very large numbers of 00:24:09.040 --> 00:24:21.120 people, the mortality rate per infection decreased to 0.6% was the most recent one I saw. 00:24:21.120 --> 00:24:29.800 And people like Ioannidis are saying the actual mortality figure from statistically interpreting 00:24:29.800 --> 00:24:40.520 the available information could range from 0.025 up to 5%. 00:24:40.520 --> 00:24:52.160 Italy and Iran have been in areas reporting 5 or 8 or 10% mortality of those infected. 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:59.640 But if you look at just the people reporting to hospitals, for example, then 10% wouldn't 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:06.480 be an unreasonable expectation because the sickest people will be the ones you're measuring. 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:15.400 But as the population expands, for example, in South Korea and China where they measured 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:23.960 larger numbers of people, the mortality rate ended up closer to 0.6%. 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:29.080 And then of course there's people that might have this species of coronavirus, but they 00:25:29.080 --> 00:25:30.080 aren't getting tested. 00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:37.160 So if everybody, the whole entire population were tested, then that mortality rate would 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:41.200 drop to what you're saying, something like 0.025. 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:46.640 So the mortality rate is very skewed. 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:50.880 It's not an accurate way to look at this. 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:56.480 It's approaching the normal flu mortality of one in a thousand. 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:01.840 So Dr. Peat, you're probably just the right person to speak to about statistics, having 00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:09.440 gone through everything that you did back at university and going through just providing 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:16.240 data and comparing and understanding the way that statistics do get skewed, certainly to 00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:22.920 benefit the editor or the magazine it's being published in. 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:26.960 Just give us an idea about some of the statistical skewing and then we'll look at the numbers 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:32.640 of people that they're quoting on various news sources and sites about this particular 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:33.640 outbreak. 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:41.840 I've been mentally comparing it to what has happened historically with cancer incidence, 00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:44.120 mortality, and diagnosis. 00:26:44.120 --> 00:26:52.680 I saw a General Electric television advertisement years ago saying that if everyone would buy 00:26:52.680 --> 00:27:04.000 their x-ray machines, we could increase the cure rate of cancer to close to 100 percent, 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.320 97 percent cure rate, I think they said. 00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:21.120 Because if only, say, 40 percent of the population is going to die of cancer, but you diagnose 00:27:21.120 --> 00:27:34.000 it in 100 percent of the population at a certain age, only 1 percent might be dying in that 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.800 population range. 00:27:35.800 --> 00:27:46.920 But if you increase the number that you treat and you're treating people that otherwise 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:53.920 would never have discovered their cancer, you'll seem to have a high cure rate. 00:27:53.920 --> 00:28:05.960 Fifty percent of people, 100 percent of people 50 years old and older have somewhere in their 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:10.040 body tissue that can be diagnosed as cancer. 00:28:10.040 --> 00:28:17.320 So if you look hard enough, you can say there's 100 percent cancer incidence. 00:28:17.320 --> 00:28:22.560 No, 100 percent of people will die from cancer. 00:28:22.560 --> 00:28:25.760 Yeah, only a smaller percentage die. 00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:32.600 So you can claim to have cured it if you find it in those people who never would have developed 00:28:32.600 --> 00:28:33.680 it. 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:42.840 But when you treat the cancer increasingly as you diagnose it at an earlier age, if your 00:28:42.840 --> 00:28:50.360 treatment is killing people, then the mortality rate will increase with the diagnostic rate. 00:28:50.360 --> 00:28:58.160 And starting in 1945, the American Cancer Society publicized that you should regularly 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:04.640 have a checkup for cancer and watch for the signs. 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:11.840 And steadily, 40 years after that cancer, mortality increased. 00:29:11.840 --> 00:29:18.720 In the two or three years after the prostate-specific antigen test became available, the number of 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.960 diagnoses increased radically. 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:29.280 And since there was no change in the population, the mortality would be expected to stay the 00:29:29.280 --> 00:29:30.280 same. 00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:37.240 But since the treatment went up in proportion to the extreme increase in diagnosis, also 00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:44.760 the mortality suddenly surged up, strongly implying that it was the treatment they were 00:29:44.760 --> 00:29:46.720 dying of. 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:59.760 And when you look at the people going to the hospitals, a certain proportion of those historically 00:29:59.760 --> 00:30:08.400 in the United States, between 200,000 and 440,000 are being killed by medical mistakes 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.880 in the hospital. 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:17.960 So even with the doctors being the ones judging what happens to you in the hospital, when 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:28.680 you use a diagnostic test to herd people to see their doctors and go to the hospital, 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:36.120 you're for sure going to subject them to this very high rate of medical accidents. 00:30:36.120 --> 00:30:44.720 We've always said that the heterogenic drug deaths, the figures are pretty startling in 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.560 terms of the sheer numbers. 00:30:46.560 --> 00:30:51.680 Okay, you're listening to Ask Your AbDoctor on KMEDGalbaville 91.1 FM. 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.880 From now until the end of the show, you're invited to call in the questions about this 00:30:54.880 --> 00:31:01.080 month's topic on the outbreak of coronavirus and its impact worldwide. 00:31:01.080 --> 00:31:06.520 The number is 707-923-3911. 00:31:06.520 --> 00:31:10.840 That's 707-923-3911. 00:31:10.840 --> 00:31:12.160 My name's Andrew Murray. 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:16.920 My name's Sarah Johanneson Murray, and we're joined by Dr. Raymond Peat. 00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:21.640 Okay, I think we have a caller on the air. 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.960 So let's just take this next caller. 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:24.960 Caller, you're on the air. 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.440 Where are you from and what's your question? 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:29.440 Hello? 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.200 Caller, I told you to listen on the phone. 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.880 Oh, well, try again. 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:36.160 Okay, try again. 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:41.240 I do actually have someone else called in with one for me to ask you about. 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:47.040 Wanted you to talk about the origins of the Spanish flu and theories about that and conspiracies 00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:48.440 surrounding that. 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:53.200 Okay, well, before we do that, let's just give out the number again, Michael, and then 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.400 you can just let me know when we've got more callers lined up here. 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.280 The number is 707-923-3911. 00:32:00.280 --> 00:32:10.200 So, Dr. Peat, Spanish flu, 1918, extremely virulent, wiped out, they imagine between 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:11.520 50 and 100 million. 00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:18.040 They've up right up revised that number from 25 million, but very deadly and not necessarily 00:32:18.040 --> 00:32:24.640 due to the end of the war and, well, obviously the end of the war, but people were sick and 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:34.080 malnourished, but it was a very virulent form of H1N1 virus that just seemingly had a perfect 00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:44.880 storm of genetic ability to rapidly take over human cells, mammalian cells. 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:52.240 The data, it's a very few actual tissue samples that that's based on compared to the millions 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.240 of deaths. 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:54.240 Yeah. 00:32:54.240 --> 00:33:05.880 So, at that time, the flu was thought to be a bacterial infection and there was one popular 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:15.520 treatment for it using camphor, injecting camphor dissolved in oil such as olive oil 00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:23.400 and it turns out that even though they thought it was a bacteria and they believed they were 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:31.880 curing people with this camphor treatment, about 40 or 50 years ago, someone noticed 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:39.880 that a distillate of petroleum smelled like camphor and they purified it and added an 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:49.800 amino group to it to make it water soluble and found that it's an anti-influenza agent. 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:59.760 I think it really grew out of the perception that natural camphor was being used widely 00:33:59.760 --> 00:34:09.600 in the First World War and this drug that was created about 50 years ago, amandadine 00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:19.040 and its relative remandidine and the newer mimantine, which it's most known for treating 00:34:19.040 --> 00:34:26.800 Alzheimer's disease, but these are all broad spectrum antivirals and they happen to be 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:35.480 safe genetically for many of the antivirals being recommended, especially in the United 00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.320 States recently. 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:56.840 So, acyclovir, ribavirin and chloroquine, I think it is, antimanaril, all of those happen 00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:04.200 to interfere with human DNA and they're recognized as genotoxic. 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:11.800 So if you have many millions of people taking those preventively, you're going to have millions 00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:17.240 of people with genetic damage and you don't want that in the young population. 00:35:17.240 --> 00:35:23.320 I know you've spoken to this in the past when we've done various radio shows on viral disease 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:30.280 and you're not very, I know you really want people to be healthy and you want them to 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.440 be as healthy as they can be and do it as naturally as possible, but you're really not 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:39.480 into antivirals as such, are you, in terms of safety treatment? 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:51.240 These related to camphor, mimantine for example, I think they're safe genetically and they're 00:35:51.240 --> 00:36:01.320 moderately effective against a wide variety of viruses, but aspirin, if it was under patent, 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:08.280 it would be considered the super antiviral because it's active against such a variety 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:17.240 including influenza and herpes and rhinovirus and various hepatitis viruses. 00:36:17.240 --> 00:36:21.720 I just want to hold you there for a moment, Dr. Peay. 00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:26.840 We definitely have to make sure we have time for strategies here to mitigate this, but 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.120 I think we have a caller on the air, so let's take this next caller. 00:36:30.120 --> 00:36:32.120 Caller, you're on the air, where are you from? 00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:35.240 Yes, hello, am I in the air? 00:36:35.240 --> 00:36:36.240 Yes, go ahead. 00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:45.560 Yeah, well I'm wondering that since the transmission is by droplets rather than aerosol, that are 00:36:45.560 --> 00:36:53.080 coming from the oral or nasal cavity, which could be considered like a point source, similar 00:36:53.080 --> 00:37:02.320 to a point source in pollution, why isn't, wouldn't you think that mandatory wearing 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:11.840 of masks when you're around other people would stop the spread in its tracks? 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:21.640 That does seem reasonable since the aerosol will likely be trapped on a fairly fine porous 00:37:21.640 --> 00:37:22.640 mask. 00:37:22.640 --> 00:37:28.000 And I've always mentioned the regular hand washing as being a number one preventative 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:32.560 because most people unfortunately don't even think about it, but they're constantly touching 00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:37.000 their nose, rubbing their eyes, putting their fingers near their mouth, and I think people 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:42.360 do it probably a hundred times a day unconsciously, and I think that's as much a... 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:51.520 Soap is a surefire virus for this type of virus, but that was in the news shortly after 00:37:51.520 --> 00:37:59.040 a man was hospitalized because he ate soap thinking it would be internally, but it's 00:37:59.040 --> 00:38:03.440 not safety, but it's very virus idle on the skin. 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:09.200 Okay, you're listening to Ask Your Doctor, K. McGarvable, 91.1 FM. 00:38:09.200 --> 00:38:13.240 From now until eight o'clock, you're invited to call in with questions related to this 00:38:13.240 --> 00:38:21.040 month's topic of the coronavirus, and the number is 707-923-3911. 00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:25.760 So Michael, is there anybody else here that's waiting at this point in time? 00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.400 Yes, that's what the theme music means. 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:29.400 You have two calls. 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.400 Okay, okay. 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:31.400 Yeah, it's difficult to see. 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.520 So, Cora, you're on the air. 00:38:33.520 --> 00:38:35.520 Where are you from, and what's your question? 00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:40.400 Hi, I just had a quick comment, and the question, I'll take my answer off the air. 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.000 So hi, this is me. 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.440 Yeah, yeah, go ahead. 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:52.240 My comment is that a few months ago, Dr. Peat mentioned a few times that just forming organizations 00:38:52.240 --> 00:38:59.200 would be the best way to fight whatever negative kind of impact the ruling class is having, 00:38:59.200 --> 00:39:05.960 and I realized that this new concept of social distancing is just a great way to crush all 00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:07.520 organizations going forward. 00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:13.640 I mean, not to sound too conservative, but that's just something interesting I noticed. 00:39:13.640 --> 00:39:20.200 And my question is that the governor of California said around half the population is going to 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:22.200 get infected with this virus. 00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:26.080 Do you think that's an accurate projection? 00:39:26.080 --> 00:39:27.760 And I'll take my answer off the air. 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:28.760 Thank you. 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:33.760 Okay, so Dr. Peat, I guess we should talk about this looking forward, and I guess historically 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.120 we'll be vindicated by whatever the outcome is. 00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:38.120 But what do you think? 00:39:38.120 --> 00:39:43.440 I mean, he said, Newsom said 50 to 60 million people, or 50 to 60%. 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:47.840 I think it was 60% of the population he said expected to contract this virus. 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:52.440 I think in this go-around, not just in this general yearly return. 00:39:52.440 --> 00:40:03.280 I think that's within the historical range that almost none of them will have a serious 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:07.480 sickness, but the stuff blows around. 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:18.920 And the reason there's a flu season from winter until late spring is that during, in the temperate 00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:29.840 zones, the sun exposure goes down and most people become to some extent vitamin D deficient 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.840 and extremely susceptible to infection, especially viruses. 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:44.720 And by summer, the vitamin D is rising and viral immunity rises very strongly, ending 00:40:44.720 --> 00:40:49.440 the flu season year after year. 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:50.440 Interesting. 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:56.520 I just want to speak to that in terms of I have a friend who's using 20,000, okay, so 00:40:56.520 --> 00:41:02.520 most people would be listening, vitamin D comes in drops and without naming names, there's 00:41:02.520 --> 00:41:04.080 plenty of people that manufacture it. 00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:09.520 But there's one particular manufacturer in Chicago, I think that's where they're based, 00:41:09.520 --> 00:41:13.000 that produce a vitamin D of 4,000 international units per drop. 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:18.360 And I don't think the CDC or the other health bodies here in the States recommend anything 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:22.400 more than 800 international units or 1,000 international units. 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.240 Anyway, this vitamin D product is a 4,000 IU per drop product. 00:41:27.240 --> 00:41:35.000 And this particular person has been using 20,000 IU per day, okay, so well over what 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.800 would normally be recommended. 00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:41.240 And they've had labs and blood work to test their vitamin D and their vitamin D is just 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:44.520 about in the middle of the range because it was very low to begin with. 00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:50.440 And so they started using more and more and more and they had three or four labs done. 00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:56.240 And at this point in time, their vitamin D is about 50 pg/ml when the reference is between 00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:58.680 25 or 30 to 100. 00:41:58.680 --> 00:41:59.680 So how about that? 00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:01.400 It's such a variance in people. 00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:06.280 So people taking your vitamin D, the best way to know whether you're taking enough is with 00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:12.520 a skin prick test and you can get that from the vitamin D council online. 00:42:12.520 --> 00:42:18.920 And that way you need to be aware of actually what your level is and Dr. Peat recommends 00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.920 it's not below 50 ng/ml. 00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:26.520 50 to 60 is a safe range. 00:42:26.520 --> 00:42:35.960 And I've seen probably 95% of the people I've been in contact with have been below that range 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:47.320 and there are lots of other symptoms that go with low vitamin D. Fatigue, muscle weakness, 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:57.680 high blood pressure is strongly connected with it and the virus I mentioned that it 00:42:57.680 --> 00:43:07.800 interacts with the endocrine and inflammatory systems and vitamin D and adequate calcium 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:17.280 in the diet happen to work on the same part of the immune system that the drugs that the 00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:27.120 Chinese have been having success with in treating people who already have the infection. 00:43:27.120 --> 00:43:32.440 One drug is cinanserin which is a serotonin blocker. 00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:43.040 The other is Losartan, an androtensin receptor blocker, AT1 receptor blocker. 00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:50.280 And Losartan has been used for treating high blood pressure mostly. 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:59.120 But it turns out that all of these anti-inflammatory natural substances, a good calcium intake 00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:12.600 in the diet, adequate vitamin D, normal level of progesterone, aspirin and almost everything 00:44:12.600 --> 00:44:20.840 anti-inflammatory that has been studied in relation to this inflammatory system works 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:26.360 in the same direction as this drug recommended by the Chinese. 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:31.720 So would you recommend that people go see their doctor and ask for a prescription of 00:44:31.720 --> 00:44:40.280 Losartan and Mementine and any other drugs or would you recommend people wait until they 00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:41.280 get sick to use them? 00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:43.680 And what is your recommendation? 00:44:43.680 --> 00:44:52.160 A man in Italy about a week ago emailed me about his friend with confirmed coronavirus 00:44:52.160 --> 00:44:57.880 and I mentioned the Chinese recommendations to him. 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:02.560 He rushed out and got a Losartan prescription. 00:45:02.560 --> 00:45:06.760 The next day he said his friend was up and out of bed and feeling good. 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:13.880 And today I got an email from him saying that not just good, he feels like he has new lungs. 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:24.360 I wanted you to outline here, you mentioned that the ACE1 and ACE2, the drugs that block 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:30.160 that, that the Losartan is one of those drugs isn't it? 00:45:30.160 --> 00:45:43.120 Well, there's a lot of confusion going around because the ACE inhibiting drugs have been 00:45:43.120 --> 00:45:52.360 available for decades, but in just the last 10 or 15 years, a lot of subtle details have 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.120 been discovered. 00:45:54.120 --> 00:46:05.200 Some people are saying that since the virus attacks the ACE2 enzyme, that this is the 00:46:05.200 --> 00:46:15.200 receptor so-called for the virus and that this receptor combines with the ACE1 and the 00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:19.960 receptor site to infect the cell and reproduce. 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:29.520 They say that anything that increases ACE2 enzyme must increase your susceptibility to 00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:38.760 the virus, but it's exactly the opposite because ACE2 is a defensive anti-inflammatory enzyme 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:44.360 that destroys androtensin, even though it's called androtensin converting enzyme number 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:45.360 two. 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:53.400 What it's doing is trimming two amino acids off the end of androtensin molecule, turning 00:46:53.400 --> 00:47:02.040 it into what they call androtensin one to seven, which is doing the opposite, curing, 00:47:02.040 --> 00:47:11.600 preventing the fibrotic and inflammatory processes that damage your lungs, arteries, bones, heart, 00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:14.840 nerves, kidneys and so on. 00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:26.480 So the things that block the AT1 receptor also increase the ACE2 enzyme, which is protective. 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:39.520 So as it turns out, in fact, it looks confusing to the old textbook idea that the ACE enzymes 00:47:39.520 --> 00:47:44.720 are simply making the androtensin. 00:47:44.720 --> 00:47:51.680 I don't think the show would be complete without mentioning herbs, obviously, given the title 00:47:51.680 --> 00:47:52.680 of the radio show. 00:47:52.680 --> 00:47:58.000 I kind of get lost in a lot of the science and a lot of the science does support a lot 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.800 of the interactions of herbs and herbal medicines. 00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:08.720 I know in Europe for countless, countless years, pneumonia has been present in England 00:48:08.720 --> 00:48:12.240 and in Ireland and people have died obviously from pneumonia. 00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:14.640 It's very common in the winter. 00:48:14.640 --> 00:48:22.080 There are products like pleurisy root, which has been well documented for its antibacterial 00:48:22.080 --> 00:48:29.640 effect for pleurisy and then obviously other material that works to either cause an anti-inflammatory 00:48:29.640 --> 00:48:30.640 effect. 00:48:30.640 --> 00:48:39.040 We did mention the whole point of what they call the cytokine storm in the pneumonic version 00:48:39.040 --> 00:48:42.760 or the primary kind of pneumonia. 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:48.600 You really want anti-inflammatories and so Echinacea root is definitely an anti-inflammatory 00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:50.320 rather than the flowers. 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:55.640 The flowers do have an antiviral action, but I think they're probably a little bit too 00:48:55.640 --> 00:48:56.640 maybe stimulating. 00:48:56.640 --> 00:49:01.720 So it's the anti-inflammatories and then I know elderberry has been picked up a lot, 00:49:01.720 --> 00:49:08.880 certainly in the press and on the internet as being beneficial for this particular virus. 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:17.160 Obviously things like thyme and again the antibacterials that the labiates, the daisy 00:49:17.160 --> 00:49:21.360 family, sorry, the mint family exhibit. 00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:27.320 A lot of those monoterpenes and terpenes there are very positively antibacterial, but I think 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.640 from an inflammatory perspective, that's the main thing is to try and get on top of the 00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:35.720 inflammation and then for secondary infections, those things that would be used as volatile 00:49:35.720 --> 00:49:39.520 oil herbs to control bacterial infection. 00:49:39.520 --> 00:49:45.840 Okay, so I know we do have callers on the air here and we want to make sure that the 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.840 callers can get on. 00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:50.480 So let's, and we're probably going to do this next month if we're all still here. 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.280 I'm sure we will be, but let's take this next caller. 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.880 Caller you're on the air, where are you from and what's your question? 00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:57.600 And we need to be fairly quick. 00:49:57.600 --> 00:50:01.560 I am from the San Francisco Bay Area and I'll take this off my phone. 00:50:01.560 --> 00:50:07.680 What will it take for our economy to bounce back to where it was before the coronavirus? 00:50:07.680 --> 00:50:08.680 Well good question. 00:50:08.680 --> 00:50:11.680 I know you're not an economist, Dr. Peat. 00:50:11.680 --> 00:50:20.280 What do you think about the potential fallout from the financial meltdown that's going on? 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:28.120 The government is talking about giving large amounts of money to corporations rather than 00:50:28.120 --> 00:50:32.480 emphasizing getting it directly to the population. 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:42.000 The extremely conservative economist Milton Friedman decades ago proposed minimum basic 00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.840 income as a way to stabilize. 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:53.640 He proposed, for example, that it would allow industry to have stayed in the United States 00:50:53.640 --> 00:51:03.960 instead of going to China and at this point his proposal probably wouldn't do much to 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:11.720 recover the industry from China, but I think he was on the right track that it's necessary 00:51:11.720 --> 00:51:19.000 to get money to the consumers, not just to the corporations that are losing money. 00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.040 If I could jump in for a second, I'm going to be on Bud Rogers' show. 00:51:22.040 --> 00:51:27.960 It's not until the 19th of April, his next, I guess it's the third Sunday of the month, 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:32.080 1.30, and we'll be talking about modern monetary theory and sort of how that works in because 00:51:32.080 --> 00:51:36.280 the basic guaranteed income is sort of related to that. 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.200 So I know it's a long way away, but people are asking about it. 00:51:39.200 --> 00:51:45.360 I have some interesting facts that I wanted to mention, Dr. Peat. 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.560 I was looking at the number of deaths. 00:51:47.560 --> 00:51:53.200 After you had told me that there was an average of 44,000 people that die in the United States 00:51:53.200 --> 00:52:01.880 from flu, and right now when they've done the math, they've extrapolated that about 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:08.280 10% of those flu cases were caused by the coronavirus in previous years. 00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.120 Now this is a different strain. 00:52:10.120 --> 00:52:13.960 But anyways, if it was going to stick with previous years, it would be about 10% of that 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.440 44,000 would die from this coronavirus. 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.680 Am I understanding you correctly, Dr. Peat? 00:52:19.680 --> 00:52:20.680 Yeah. 00:52:20.680 --> 00:52:26.880 Dr. Vodarg made the same point that he said according to the historical curve using those 00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:33.880 figures, he would have expected, I think he said 2,000 to 2,500 deaths in Germany, where 00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:35.880 at that point it was 200. 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.720 So they were behind the mortality curve. 00:52:39.720 --> 00:52:45.920 And then I found another database that talks about deaths from pneumonia, which can be 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.400 pneumonia caused by anything. 00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:55.280 So it could be because someone had bacterial infection and older people. 00:52:55.280 --> 00:53:03.320 So basically there was 85,000 people died in the United States in 2017, and 58,000 of 00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.440 those were 70 plus years old. 00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:15.280 And in China they had in 2017 161,000 and 125,000 of those people were 70 years or older. 00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:20.440 So these deaths are from pneumonia of various causes. 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:21.440 Yeah. 00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:31.280 Old age causes sepsis and pneumonia as the most common causes of death, other than specific 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.200 things like heart disease and cancer. 00:53:33.200 --> 00:53:41.400 But it happens that old age changes the inflammatory system the same way this particular virus 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:50.160 does, increasing antitansin receptor and decreasing the protective ACE2 enzyme system. 00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:57.280 So anything you're doing to protect against the viral effects really are protecting against 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:58.920 aging. 00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:06.920 And the main outcome of the pneumonia produced by these viruses is a chronic fibrosis of 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:14.720 the lungs and all of the things protective against the inflammatory system helped to 00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:18.640 reverse the fibrosis once it had started. 00:54:18.640 --> 00:54:24.200 So would you recommend people go after a doctor for prescription of Lusartan or would you 00:54:24.200 --> 00:54:31.920 recommend they just wait until they get it, get the virus or get the flu? 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:42.640 I think it's not such a problem that a person needs to go to the doctor for it. 00:54:42.640 --> 00:54:47.680 Almost everyone is going to have only mild symptoms from it. 00:54:47.680 --> 00:54:48.680 Right. 00:54:48.680 --> 00:54:54.320 And everyone has access to aspirin and herbs like echinacea and elderberry and astragalus 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:59.200 and bicol school caps and then also those antihistamines if you do get the flu, loratadine 00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:03.320 and cyproheptadine, otherwise known as Periactin. 00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:10.920 Vitamin D, vitamin B1 and aspirin are moving the system in the corrective direction. 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:14.280 And if you are really sick in the hospital, get your doctor to give you a prescription 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.280 of Lusartan. 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:16.960 Okay, we better hold it there. 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:18.360 We're really close to the top of the hour. 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:19.800 Thank you so much for joining us Dr. Peat. 00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.200 Let me quickly mention your website and thanks for your time. 00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:24.200 Okay, thanks. 00:55:24.200 --> 00:55:28.560 Okay, so Dr. Peat can be found at www.raypeat.com. 00:55:28.560 --> 00:55:30.880 (lighthearted music)