WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.080 Or you've got to at least say something. 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.600 Emerald Technologies is the local source 00:00:07.600 --> 00:00:09.160 for computer sales and services. 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:11.240 They carry Apple and Windows laptops 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:14.200 for every budget and custom-built desktop systems 00:00:14.200 --> 00:00:17.120 for gaming, video editing, and office work. 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:20.140 They carry all kinds of cables, chargers, routers, printers, 00:00:20.140 --> 00:00:21.760 and whatever other gizmos you might 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:23.840 need to get the job done. 00:00:23.840 --> 00:00:26.200 Since 1998, Emerald Technologies has 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:28.640 worked to keep your computer alive and happy 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:30.940 and out of the e-waste pile. 00:00:30.940 --> 00:00:34.720 Stop by their Garberville office just up the way from Ray's, 00:00:34.720 --> 00:00:39.960 check out emeraldtech.biz, or give them a call 923-1268. 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:02.020 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:01:02.020 --> 00:01:14.360 It's 7-0-1. 00:01:14.360 --> 00:01:16.520 This is Redwood Community Radio, KMUD, 00:01:16.520 --> 00:01:21.000 Garberville, KMUD, Eureka, KLA, Laytonville, 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.960 where the views and opinions expressed 00:01:22.960 --> 00:01:25.800 throughout the broadcast day are those of the speakers 00:01:25.800 --> 00:01:28.320 and not necessarily those of the station, staff, 00:01:28.320 --> 00:01:31.320 or underwriters. 00:01:31.320 --> 00:01:33.820 Time is made available for all sorts of viewpoints. 00:01:33.820 --> 00:01:38.120 And thank you all so much for choosing to listen to us. 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.920 Get ready for "Ask Your Herb Doctor." 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:44.260 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:01:58.320 --> 00:02:01.800 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:02:28.320 --> 00:02:30.800 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:32.720 And we have the doctors in the house. 00:02:32.720 --> 00:02:39.640 I believe I do. 00:02:39.640 --> 00:02:40.560 Andrew, are you there? 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.820 Do I got you, Andrew? 00:02:45.820 --> 00:02:46.320 Hmm. 00:02:46.320 --> 00:02:52.240 Well, I thought I had Dr. Murray. 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:53.420 I do have Dr. Peat here. 00:02:53.420 --> 00:02:54.560 Dr. Peat, do I have you? 00:02:58.040 --> 00:02:59.240 I'm still here. 00:02:59.240 --> 00:02:59.740 OK. 00:02:59.740 --> 00:03:01.840 And I had a technical error. 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:02.600 And I think-- 00:03:02.600 --> 00:03:09.320 I'll be back. 00:03:09.320 --> 00:03:10.900 We're going to listen to the theme music first 00:03:10.900 --> 00:03:11.640 for a second here. 00:03:28.040 --> 00:03:31.500 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:03:58.040 --> 00:04:01.520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:03.760 [END PLAYBACK] 00:05:03.760 --> 00:05:05.400 We have one of the doctors. 00:05:05.400 --> 00:05:06.760 And I got to get Dr. Peat back. 00:05:06.760 --> 00:05:10.320 Dr. Herb Doctor? 00:05:10.320 --> 00:05:12.520 engineer, are we on? 00:05:12.520 --> 00:05:15.760 Yes, Dr. Murray, you are on. 00:05:15.760 --> 00:05:17.240 OK, thank you. 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.680 Welcome to this month's "Ask Your Herb Doctor." 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:21.360 My name's Andrew Murray. 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:25.580 From 7 to 8 PM, we run these shows every Thursday, Friday 00:05:25.580 --> 00:05:27.000 of the month. 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:28.960 "Ask Your Herb Doctor" is the name of the show. 00:05:28.960 --> 00:05:30.640 And for the longest time now, we've 00:05:30.640 --> 00:05:34.280 been joined by Dr. Raymond Peat, PhD, 00:05:34.280 --> 00:05:38.240 who's been weighing in with his academic take 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.120 on a lot of different subjects that are sometimes 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:45.940 controversial and sometimes not, but always informative. 00:05:45.940 --> 00:05:48.760 So once again, we're very pleased to have Dr. Peat 00:05:48.760 --> 00:05:49.880 with us on the show. 00:05:49.880 --> 00:05:50.760 Are you there, Dr. Peat? 00:05:50.760 --> 00:05:56.160 I'm getting Dr. Peat back right now. 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:56.660 OK. 00:05:56.660 --> 00:06:00.920 Yes, we have Dr. Peat on the line. 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:04.520 Hi, Dr. Peat. 00:06:04.520 --> 00:06:07.200 Thanks so much for giving your time again this evening. 00:06:07.200 --> 00:06:13.600 OK, I don't hear Dr. Peat. 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.480 I know this is a remote programming here. 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:20.040 And I've had a few problems in the past. 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.680 Dr. Peat can hear you. 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:23.200 Barely. 00:06:23.200 --> 00:06:24.240 I can hear him. 00:06:26.320 --> 00:06:27.680 I can barely hear him. 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.440 Can you try it out? 00:06:31.440 --> 00:06:32.560 I did get that. 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:34.560 That was-- I could hear that. 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.080 Well, launch in. 00:06:38.080 --> 00:06:39.960 And I think he can hear you too. 00:06:39.960 --> 00:06:41.960 Yeah. 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:43.400 OK, all right, good. 00:06:43.400 --> 00:06:45.120 Well, let's start once again. 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:46.680 And it's "Ask Your Herb Doctor," 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.800 KMUD, Garberville 91.1 FM. 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.080 From now until 8 o'clock at the end of the show, 00:06:52.080 --> 00:06:55.320 you're invited to call in with questions, hopefully related 00:06:55.320 --> 00:06:58.200 to this month's subject of epigenetics 00:06:58.200 --> 00:07:01.240 and some experimental cancer treatments 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.960 and also a little bit of COVID catch-up. 00:07:03.960 --> 00:07:09.720 The number is 707-923-3911, sorry. 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:15.400 So that's, once again, 707-923-3911 from 730 00:07:15.400 --> 00:07:17.400 until the end of the show date. 00:07:17.400 --> 00:07:19.920 We're once again very pleased to have Dr. Layman Peat with us. 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:21.080 Dr. Peat, you with us? 00:07:21.080 --> 00:07:22.880 Yes. 00:07:22.880 --> 00:07:24.880 Good, OK. 00:07:24.880 --> 00:07:27.280 Sorry about the technical difficulties. 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:30.000 For those people who perhaps have never heard you before 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.480 or would like to find out more about you, 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:35.080 we'll give out your details at the end of the show. 00:07:35.080 --> 00:07:37.240 But would you please just give a round-up 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:39.400 of your academic professional background 00:07:39.400 --> 00:07:43.680 so people can get an idea of where your work is coming from? 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:48.360 I was studying and teaching in the humanities 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.800 for about 10 years before I decided 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.880 to go to graduate school in biology, which 00:07:55.880 --> 00:08:02.800 was in 1968 to 1972, University of Oregon, 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:08.440 where I got a PhD in reproductive physiology 00:08:08.440 --> 00:08:10.520 and aging. 00:08:10.520 --> 00:08:14.720 And my intention had been to study 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:18.840 nerve biology when I went to the university, 00:08:18.840 --> 00:08:24.280 following up on ideas of how language and brain work. 00:08:24.280 --> 00:08:30.640 But because of dogmatism in the nerve biology section, 00:08:30.640 --> 00:08:34.520 I ended up with reproductive physiology 00:08:34.520 --> 00:08:40.400 as a way to concentrate on interactions of hormones, 00:08:40.400 --> 00:08:50.880 metabolism, and development. And over the next almost 50 years, 00:08:50.880 --> 00:08:56.760 I've been continuing to study those areas. 00:08:56.760 --> 00:09:01.280 And you've had quite a long history 00:09:01.280 --> 00:09:03.840 of actually consulting with people. 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.760 And firsthand, I won't say experimental, 00:09:07.760 --> 00:09:11.280 because it's not experimental, but first-hand guidance 00:09:11.280 --> 00:09:16.560 with philosophies that you have formulated over time here. 00:09:16.560 --> 00:09:22.640 And much of what I've understood from you in the last 10 years 00:09:22.640 --> 00:09:25.400 has been related to energy production. 00:09:25.400 --> 00:09:27.120 I think I would sum that up. 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:32.720 In the terms of creative energy production and stemming 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:38.200 the dissolution of energy, whether that is from a dietary 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:40.480 perspective or a supplemental perspective. 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:45.240 But tonight's show, again, it piqued my interest. 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:49.360 And I cannot claim to be a scientist or knowledgeable 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:51.120 in any way on the subject. 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:54.720 But I have some definite questions I'd like to ask you 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.920 and to also help to understand the subject a little more 00:09:58.920 --> 00:10:02.360 simply for listeners who perhaps don't have too much 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:03.400 of a science background. 00:10:03.400 --> 00:10:07.760 But a lot of what you can bring out in epigenetics 00:10:07.760 --> 00:10:10.760 is very relevant in terms of understanding 00:10:10.760 --> 00:10:12.080 the simple concepts of it. 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:17.360 So going to the term "epigenetics," 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.640 it's basically-- I think I could sum it up by saying 00:10:19.640 --> 00:10:25.520 it's a heritable phenotype, the change of which does not 00:10:25.520 --> 00:10:27.920 involve alterations in the DNA sequence. 00:10:27.920 --> 00:10:32.680 Now, before I let you take the floor with the concept 00:10:32.680 --> 00:10:34.560 of epigenetics, and I start to question you, 00:10:34.560 --> 00:10:37.560 this one people to understand the two differences 00:10:37.560 --> 00:10:40.440 of phenotype and genotype. 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.000 When we're talking about genes and DNA 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.280 and what they code for and what they do, 00:10:45.280 --> 00:10:48.160 the genotype gives the instruction. 00:10:48.160 --> 00:10:53.160 And the phenotype in an organism is its appearance. 00:10:53.160 --> 00:10:59.920 So I saw that an account-- and the word "environmental 00:10:59.920 --> 00:11:03.320 enrichment," which I know you'll bring out in the context 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:13.360 of altering or rather adapting to the changes in epigenetics. 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.920 The epigenetics, themselves, may account 00:11:17.920 --> 00:11:20.360 for a significant fraction of what 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.120 they term the missing heritability as DNA mutations 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:28.120 only explained a minority of the expected heritable fraction. 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:29.680 And they said that this discrepancy 00:11:29.680 --> 00:11:32.040 is known as the missing heritability. 00:11:32.040 --> 00:11:39.080 So when you describe epigenetics for our listeners, some of which 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.600 may not be as science-based, if you 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:47.920 could describe the basic outlines of epigenetics 00:11:47.920 --> 00:11:52.240 and how, whether it's DNA changes in methylation 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.240 or the histones that the genes wrap around 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:00.680 or this non-coding RNA that get altered 00:12:00.680 --> 00:12:06.880 and how the changes to those bring about profound changes 00:12:06.880 --> 00:12:10.080 in genetic information and what gets turned on 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:16.600 and what gets turned off and how this epigenetic change really 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.480 alters the structure of our consciousness, I think, 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.040 in a lot of ways, or conversely, our consciousness 00:12:23.040 --> 00:12:25.680 can alter the structure of our epigenetics. 00:12:25.680 --> 00:12:28.240 So would you just describe what it 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.080 is that you understand as epigenetics 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:36.400 and how they play into our health? 00:12:36.400 --> 00:12:42.720 The established powers in biology 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.440 have been very resistant to the idea 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:54.800 that there could be any transgenerational influence 00:12:54.800 --> 00:12:56.600 of experience. 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:04.680 And that has involved even reducing and emptying 00:13:04.680 --> 00:13:09.720 the idea of what happens during adaptation. 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:14.520 Why does exercise build stronger muscles 00:13:14.520 --> 00:13:22.800 and what happens during learning and developing new ideas? 00:13:22.800 --> 00:13:31.320 The very idea of change was resisted powerfully 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:39.080 by the people who saw the organism as a compilation 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:44.840 of specific traits once developed in infancy 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.640 or achieving maturity. 00:13:48.640 --> 00:13:52.720 The idea was that our traits and our parts 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.600 were like a clock mechanism. 00:13:55.600 --> 00:14:00.680 The parts operated, allowed the machine to work. 00:14:00.680 --> 00:14:05.200 But nothing very deep was changing all 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.560 during the adult lifetime. 00:14:09.560 --> 00:14:16.760 And that has an extensive ideological background 00:14:16.760 --> 00:14:26.240 in which the organism was seen as nothing 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.680 but a compilation of parts, each of which 00:14:31.680 --> 00:14:35.680 is eternal and unchangeable. 00:14:35.680 --> 00:14:41.720 And the idea that the organism might be in some way 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:48.480 deeply changing after it has achieved maturity 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:55.240 puts in doubt the whole idea that the immortal genes 00:14:55.240 --> 00:15:00.000 specify the traits that together make up 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.000 the machine of the organism. 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.560 The idea of the machine is intended 00:15:05.560 --> 00:15:13.280 to eliminate the idea that the parts are constantly changing. 00:15:13.280 --> 00:15:20.400 But in reality, when you look at the experience of yourself 00:15:20.400 --> 00:15:24.200 or of other organisms, you see that every day there 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:27.440 is learning and change. 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:32.480 So you can't really do anything twice 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.920 because the second time you do it is you're a different person. 00:15:36.920 --> 00:15:47.320 And this idea really has a great biological significance 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.880 that every moment of your experience, 00:15:50.880 --> 00:15:56.280 you're in development all the way through your lifespan. 00:15:56.280 --> 00:16:00.840 And the immune system is constantly 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:06.360 operating and recording your interactions 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:12.400 with antigenic material or possible allergens 00:16:12.400 --> 00:16:17.960 or immunological stimulants the same way 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:23.520 axons and experiences change the way you interpret the world. 00:16:23.520 --> 00:16:27.920 The structure of your brain is constantly changing. 00:16:27.920 --> 00:16:31.800 And that interacts with your constantly changing immune 00:16:31.800 --> 00:16:33.640 system. 00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:38.720 And all the rest of your body is moment to moment 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.280 undergoing adaptation. 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:50.680 And it isn't just a technological thing. 00:16:50.680 --> 00:16:57.800 The ideas that are constantly changing in your mind 00:16:57.800 --> 00:17:01.840 are actually changing the properties of the brain 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:10.480 cells, your immune cells, and probably all of the cells. 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:13.480 No one has looked at every cell in the body, 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:17.560 but pretty much every cell in the body, 00:17:17.560 --> 00:17:26.880 every functional cell is likely to have a fine, nervous fiber. 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:32.280 So the body isn't just chemically 00:17:32.280 --> 00:17:37.920 communicating like a swarm of insects 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:41.160 attracted to the smell of honey or something, 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:47.760 but there is a very deep penetration of fine nerve 00:17:47.760 --> 00:17:51.480 fibers into all of the tissues, integrating 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:58.800 the whole body and its chemistry with the conscious purpose 00:17:58.800 --> 00:18:03.960 and ongoing behavior of the organism. 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:09.040 So any little event happening in your body 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:15.920 is also adding to the sum of development. 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:26.680 Technically, people are using epigenetics 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:33.120 just to mean certain chemical changes that persist 00:18:33.120 --> 00:18:39.800 from the state of one cell after that cell divides. 00:18:39.800 --> 00:18:47.320 But the persistence of a physiological state 00:18:47.320 --> 00:18:53.880 from moment to moment is really the simplest and most basic idea 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.000 of epigenetics. 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:02.960 Every moment we inherit the whole past of our organism 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:09.280 and the fact that we don't change drastically 00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:15.640 and unrecognizably is that there is a logic and a momentum 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:23.360 in these developmental changes that the whole system is 00:19:23.360 --> 00:19:33.680 working in integration and with a rational set of goals. 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:39.000 The extreme way and analogy biologically 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:44.520 would be the transformation of a tadpole to a frog. 00:19:44.520 --> 00:19:53.040 That involves epigenetic changes of a very drastic sort. 00:19:53.800 --> 00:20:02.600 But it's good to keep that in mind as hidden outside 00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:05.400 our immune system and nervous system 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:10.360 are having these constant little transformations 00:20:10.360 --> 00:20:13.680 or metamorphoses. 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:17.760 So it's not as drastic as a tadpole turning into a frog. 00:20:17.760 --> 00:20:23.000 But our immune system and brain in particular 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:28.680 are recognizably different over very short time spans. 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:34.320 And what you said a few moments ago caught my attention. 00:20:34.320 --> 00:20:38.720 And I kind of tried to sum it up as you-- 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:43.320 and again, this is not preaching or anything 00:20:43.320 --> 00:20:46.120 to those who have never really thought about the subject. 00:20:46.120 --> 00:20:47.960 But I think it's a very good point 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.120 in explaining adaptation and epigenetics 00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:55.240 and how it affects us psychologically 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:59.120 in terms of what we believe. 00:20:59.120 --> 00:21:03.640 It reminds me that you are what you believe yourself to be 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:10.120 and that the subject of positive reinforcement or affirmations, 00:21:10.120 --> 00:21:14.360 positive affirmations, are seemingly a roadmap 00:21:14.360 --> 00:21:17.320 to a better future. 00:21:17.320 --> 00:21:20.720 Because that is a way, in many ways, 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:26.240 I think, of changing your perception, your outlook, 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.880 your mental state, and your physical state 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:34.560 therein by epigenetic changes that can occur purely 00:21:34.560 --> 00:21:37.960 through positive reinforcement. 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.920 Positive or negative. 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.360 The environment, to a great extent, 00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:49.600 is imposing unpleasant degenerative dangers on us. 00:21:49.600 --> 00:21:56.640 And for example, if you put an animal in isolation, 00:21:56.640 --> 00:22:03.040 social distancing, the animal becomes more inflamed. 00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:05.880 The whole immune system is deranged 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.840 in the direction of inflammation just 00:22:08.840 --> 00:22:17.320 by the depressing experience of being isolated from misfriends. 00:22:17.320 --> 00:22:24.320 And if you reverse that, do the opposite, 00:22:24.320 --> 00:22:29.040 and give them lots of fun social contacts and lots 00:22:29.040 --> 00:22:34.840 of varied things to do, an enriched environment, 00:22:34.840 --> 00:22:41.000 that suppresses, that ends the inflammatory processes 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:46.960 and starts the organism back on the constructive developmental 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.520 process away from the degenerative processes. 00:22:49.520 --> 00:22:54.840 So in terms of going-- 00:22:54.840 --> 00:23:02.040 These ideas have been known to common people 00:23:02.040 --> 00:23:03.040 for hundreds of years. 00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:14.520 Lamarck, for example, said that if an organism needs 00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:18.840 longer legs or stronger arms or whatever, 00:23:18.840 --> 00:23:21.520 it will develop them by striving. 00:23:21.520 --> 00:23:27.760 Basically, exercise improves the physiology and structure. 00:23:27.760 --> 00:23:30.840 Anyone can see it happening. 00:23:30.840 --> 00:23:35.800 As you change your life, your organism cooperates 00:23:35.800 --> 00:23:40.400 and becomes more efficient in that way of life. 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:45.320 But the Darwinists didn't like that idea 00:23:45.320 --> 00:23:50.520 of the intelligence of the common person 00:23:50.520 --> 00:23:52.920 or the common organism. 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:58.240 And they invented the assumption of randomness. 00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:02.760 It's a metaphysical idea created out of thin air 00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:08.400 that, for some reason, changes can only be random. 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.280 And they did it to atoms that said 00:24:11.280 --> 00:24:15.960 that the change of one type of atom to another 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:20.800 can only be random and unpredictable. 00:24:20.800 --> 00:24:25.760 Nuclear transmutations are a chance event. 00:24:25.760 --> 00:24:30.320 And they applied that to biological changes. 00:24:30.320 --> 00:24:36.320 At first, the traits were immortal and unchanging then. 00:24:36.320 --> 00:24:42.880 When they saw mutations or actual changes happening, 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:49.680 they said those are only completely random and useless. 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:58.360 And the mechanism of intelligent adaptation of learning 00:24:58.360 --> 00:25:02.160 to play the flute or the trumpet or something, 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:08.880 you have to develop muscular skills, mental skills, 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:12.320 and change your organism to do that. 00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:15.600 But that kind of adaptation, they 00:25:15.600 --> 00:25:23.160 created a way to see it as simply a summing up 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:30.480 of many meaningless random diffusions of molecules 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.400 through the system. 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.040 You change your behavior. 00:25:35.040 --> 00:25:41.560 And the modifications that happen as a result 00:25:41.560 --> 00:25:46.800 of that changed behavior involve random diffusion 00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:52.880 of particles that end up changing the genes. 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:58.320 But the whole idea of avoiding purposefulness 00:25:58.320 --> 00:26:05.400 at every point of life processes that has been going on now 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:07.720 for about 200 years. 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:14.240 OK, you're listening to "Ask Europe" Dr. K.M.E. 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:18.680 Garberville 91.1 FM from 7.30 until the end of the show. 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.920 You're invited to call in the questions. 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:27.960 The number is 7079233911, Dr. Raymond P., our guest speaker. 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:32.920 Dr. P., you talked about moment-to-moment changes 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.720 and you've described the process by which epigenetics can affect 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:43.360 us, definitely negatively from an inflammatory point of view. 00:26:43.360 --> 00:26:46.320 And you've also mentioned that stresses. 00:26:46.320 --> 00:26:50.280 And you mentioned isolation, and I think in response to COVID 00:26:50.280 --> 00:26:56.120 and the isolation that's been imposed upon the masses, 00:26:56.120 --> 00:26:59.840 as well as authoritarianism, which 00:26:59.840 --> 00:27:03.840 has been put on every continent of the planet 00:27:03.840 --> 00:27:08.600 by pretty much every government and their people. 00:27:08.600 --> 00:27:14.480 And deficiencies in freedom, deficiencies in social 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:20.440 engagement decreases in any kind of creative outlets, 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:27.080 whether it's yoga, exercise, meeting people for discussion 00:27:27.080 --> 00:27:28.440 groups, et cetera, et cetera. 00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.600 All of these things definitely could 00:27:31.600 --> 00:27:36.080 be construed in the context of epigenetics 00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:38.800 has been very negative for us in terms of, 00:27:38.800 --> 00:27:44.120 whilst our DNA might not physically change, 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:47.200 the components of some of these genes 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.640 can definitely be switched off by epigenetic changes 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.800 that occur under these stresses. 00:27:53.800 --> 00:27:59.120 And the things that are activated 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:03.800 by authoritarianism and isolation and so on 00:28:03.800 --> 00:28:10.000 include an excess of serotonin production. 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:19.760 And that causes a rigid tendency to conformism that, at the same 00:28:19.760 --> 00:28:25.760 time, is cooling the body, slowing metabolism, 00:28:25.760 --> 00:28:33.120 making it more passive, leaning towards learned helplessness 00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:40.240 just by the excess of stress-induced serotonin excess. 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:44.120 The serotonin, in turn, activates all 00:28:44.120 --> 00:28:47.960 of the stress-related other hormones. 00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:54.640 But its worst function is to slow the metabolism, 00:28:54.640 --> 00:29:00.920 increase inflammation, tending towards a degeneration 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:07.880 of death, and estrogen is the other killing 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:15.320 stress-related chemical that lowers the body temperature, 00:29:15.320 --> 00:29:19.240 predisposes it to more inflammation, 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:25.720 and makes it more receptive to authoritarianism, 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.560 and creates a failure of adaptiveness. 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:38.680 So all of this is a spiraling, a kind of a compounding factor, 00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:42.840 one negative thing after another. 00:29:42.840 --> 00:29:48.120 And it's in complete odds with a mindfulness mindset 00:29:48.120 --> 00:29:53.000 or a positive mindset, because the environment-- 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.240 well, it's not that the person's obviously got their mind set 00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.520 on mindfulness, and they are not going 00:29:58.520 --> 00:30:02.040 to be subjugated by all of the control, 00:30:02.040 --> 00:30:05.200 for example, during this pandemic. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.600 Obviously, there are people that will be mindful of their own 00:30:08.600 --> 00:30:10.680 place in the universe, as it were, 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:14.440 and they're not going to allow this external stimulator to 00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.840 suppress them, because they either 00:30:16.840 --> 00:30:20.680 have a very strong mindset based on positive affirmation 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:25.080 and mindfulness or distrust of what's going on, obviously. 00:30:25.080 --> 00:30:28.080 But these changes-- 00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:30.400 and just talk about a little bit about what 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.240 these epigenetic changes can do in terms 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.600 of their worst consequences, in terms of switching genes off 00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:40.640 or switching them on, in terms of inflammation 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.120 and other carcinogenic effects. 00:30:44.120 --> 00:30:51.360 The whole idea of epigenetics is flexibility and reversibility. 00:30:51.360 --> 00:30:56.400 And so it's very antagonistic through all of the doctrines 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.120 that say cancer is incurable. 00:31:00.120 --> 00:31:03.480 Advanced heart disease and kidney disease 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.000 are incurable, and so on. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:11.040 The epigenetic idea explains how they develop 00:31:11.040 --> 00:31:16.240 from bad environmental opportunities 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:22.360 and also potentially shows routes by which they 00:31:22.360 --> 00:31:23.120 can be reversed. 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:31.480 It's a very optimistic view in relation 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.040 to health and development. 00:31:34.040 --> 00:31:44.160 And where the genetic view says you can only develop so far, 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.440 if your genes are bad, you're going 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:52.760 to be a sickly, unproductive person. 00:31:52.760 --> 00:32:00.400 The epigenetic approach says the genes are only 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.120 a very sketchy determinant. 00:32:04.120 --> 00:32:07.960 Many other things determine our vitality. 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.760 For example, the exposure prenatally 00:32:12.760 --> 00:32:17.240 to too much estrogen lowers the body temperature, 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:22.440 reduces the growth of the brain, and predisposes 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.800 to inflammatory diseases, obesity, 00:32:26.800 --> 00:32:30.520 and lifelong weakness. 00:32:30.520 --> 00:32:36.920 The exposure to extra glucose simply 00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:43.480 added in glucose to the developing gestating animal 00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.960 or the hormones, such as progesterone, 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.280 that provide a more reliable amount of glucose, 00:32:50.280 --> 00:32:59.160 increase the growth of the brain, the thickness of the cortex, 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:04.760 the energy level, metabolic rate, and longevity. 00:33:04.760 --> 00:33:08.080 The bigger the brain is able to develop 00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:13.520 by these good circumstances, the longer the organism tends 00:33:13.520 --> 00:33:14.020 to live. 00:33:14.020 --> 00:33:19.000 Very interesting. 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.080 Again, for people that are listening, 00:33:21.080 --> 00:33:24.680 I would encourage you to go online. 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.280 And whilst it's not a definitively accurate, 00:33:29.280 --> 00:33:34.440 maybe, source of information, PubMed certainly 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.040 have plenty of articles attesting 00:33:37.040 --> 00:33:42.320 to the science of epigenetics and attesting to the very thing 00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:44.560 that Dr. Pink's mentioning in terms 00:33:44.560 --> 00:33:49.600 of environmental enrichment as being positively favorable 00:33:49.600 --> 00:33:54.320 in the outcomes of various animal models for disease 00:33:54.320 --> 00:33:56.440 resistance and/or recovery. 00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.720 So whilst it may-- and not to me, perhaps, 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.360 but maybe some people who are listening 00:34:01.360 --> 00:34:03.440 have just caught the show. 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:08.840 As I've said, you really are not just what you eat, 00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.480 but you can become what you believe yourself 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:16.240 to be in terms of positive affirmation and reinforcement, 00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:20.200 and that your thoughts really are far more powerful than people 00:34:20.200 --> 00:34:24.360 understand in terms of affecting their outcome, 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:31.220 their physiology, and changing their manifestations of disease 00:34:31.220 --> 00:34:32.880 in their body or not. 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.040 And that, as Dr. Piezel mentioned, 00:34:35.040 --> 00:34:39.120 that it's a reversible situation, the genome, 00:34:39.120 --> 00:34:42.160 that makes up who we are physically on the outside, 00:34:42.160 --> 00:34:45.760 that people see, as well as inside, chemically, 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.000 what people don't see and how we interact with things. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.520 It's very plastic. 00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:50.720 It's very fluid. 00:34:50.720 --> 00:34:51.720 And it's very dynamic. 00:34:51.720 --> 00:34:53.640 It's not at all fixed, as Dr. Peat said, 00:34:53.640 --> 00:34:57.960 that science, especially genetics, 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.120 probably from the moment it was dreamt of, 00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:04.480 was a tool by which to describe things inherently at that. 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.280 But the genome itself is very, very flexible. 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:13.520 And it's not a very specific determinant of your outcome, 00:35:13.520 --> 00:35:16.720 because epigenetics do play a big role in it. 00:35:16.720 --> 00:35:20.600 And actually, this whole missing heritability 00:35:20.600 --> 00:35:22.640 is explained by epigenetics. 00:35:22.640 --> 00:35:25.600 And it's something that people should really take a look at. 00:35:25.600 --> 00:35:28.560 It's a pretty novel science. 00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:33.760 And it is a very worthy science, for science's sake. 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:37.960 Might sound a little nebulous to some people 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.880 listening that you can change the way you 00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.400 are by thinking differently. 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:47.040 But this type of change can be described 00:35:47.040 --> 00:35:49.520 as an epigenetic change over time. 00:35:49.520 --> 00:35:56.040 And the very concepts of authoritarianism and isolation 00:35:56.040 --> 00:36:00.160 and going without and deficiency and lack, all of this 00:36:00.160 --> 00:36:03.640 breeds an inflammatory, stressed state, 00:36:03.640 --> 00:36:09.120 which his only outcome generally is negative and energy 00:36:09.120 --> 00:36:09.840 decreasing. 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.760 So certainly, changing your mindset 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:18.080 is a good way of getting some kind of restitution from this. 00:36:18.080 --> 00:36:22.200 And then obviously, the chemical changes that happen. 00:36:22.200 --> 00:36:25.520 Dr. Peat, you've mentioned things like estrogen and serotonin. 00:36:25.520 --> 00:36:28.000 And these have certainly, unfortunately, 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.080 been labeled as positive things in the medical field. 00:36:31.080 --> 00:36:33.320 But we're very mindful of the fact 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:37.600 that these are very pro-inflammatory. 00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:40.880 In terms of epigenetics, I wanted 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.080 to bring out, just for people to understand or just highlight 00:36:44.080 --> 00:36:47.880 it in a fairly simplistic manner, that-- 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:50.840 and I wasn't aware of this until I started looking. 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.840 And I had, actually, when I was studying herbal medicine, 00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.160 the two principles were both Dutch 00:36:57.160 --> 00:36:59.360 who'd gone through the Second World War 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:05.320 and had endured the famine of 1944 to 1945, 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:08.800 which they called the Dutch hunger winter famine. 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:16.400 And I remember one of the professor 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:21.040 who was describing the torture, if you like, 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:24.680 because they were in such famine, 00:37:24.680 --> 00:37:27.240 because the Germans had cut off the food supply, 00:37:27.240 --> 00:37:29.840 that there was a time when the only thing that you could eat 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.600 was daffodil bulbs. 00:37:31.600 --> 00:37:34.840 And they've done studies now on children 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.560 from women who went through that. 00:37:37.560 --> 00:37:41.680 And these studies have shown a pretty clear link 00:37:41.680 --> 00:37:44.760 to certain genes being switched off 00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.480 and that these people are certainly 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:50.920 more prevalent in manifesting heart disease, 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.600 schizophrenia, and type 2 diabetes. 00:37:53.600 --> 00:37:56.600 And they're saying that they can link it fairly positively 00:37:56.600 --> 00:37:58.480 to the epigenetic changes that occurred 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.600 as a result of this famine. 00:38:01.600 --> 00:38:03.280 What about that, Dr. Peabody? 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.280 We have a caller, too, after that. 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.280 OK. 00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:08.800 In recent-- 00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:12.280 Let's go ahead and take this first caller. 00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:13.360 Sorry, Dr. Peabody. 00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:14.440 Let's take this first caller. 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:19.800 Then I'll ask your feedback on that Dutch hunger famine. 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.080 So caller, you're on the air. 00:38:21.080 --> 00:38:23.480 Where are you from and what's your question? 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.560 Sorry, to interrupt, you have a great dialogue 00:38:25.560 --> 00:38:27.960 going on a very important topic. 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:29.400 But I have two separate questions. 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:34.640 One relates to the product turpentine 00:38:34.640 --> 00:38:39.080 or the ethers related to it. 00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:43.720 Back in, I think, 1899, if you looked at a medical textbook, 00:38:43.720 --> 00:38:49.520 I think there were like 45 different problems or illnesses 00:38:49.520 --> 00:38:53.480 that allegedly, at the time, were supposedly cured, 00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:57.800 or at least improved, by ingesting turpentine. 00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:59.560 Now, when you look at any turpentine, 00:38:59.560 --> 00:39:01.740 or the mindset is, oh, it's poison. 00:39:01.740 --> 00:39:03.440 And perhaps there's some that's poison. 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.800 But I just wanted to get a sense, clearly, 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.340 that the pharmaceutical companies are not 00:39:09.340 --> 00:39:10.800 going to want you to be doing this. 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.640 But back in 1899, do you believe that they were right? 00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:17.560 Forget about what's going on currently. 00:39:17.560 --> 00:39:19.240 Currently, there is still research 00:39:19.240 --> 00:39:25.040 going on showing the turpentine family. 00:39:25.040 --> 00:39:31.320 Each type of conifer has its own variant of turpentine. 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.720 But some of these are very, for example, 00:39:34.720 --> 00:39:37.760 stimulate wound healing, accelerate healing 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.720 under anti-inflammatory. 00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:48.800 And others are antibiotic, very important biological beneficial 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.040 effects. 00:39:50.040 --> 00:39:57.000 And I don't know where this culture of fearing turpentine 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.040 came from, but it happened to coincide 00:39:59.040 --> 00:40:05.320 with the disappearance of cheap turpentine as paint thinner. 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:09.840 I used to very often use turpentine 00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.040 as my solvent for painting, but where 00:40:14.040 --> 00:40:18.000 it used to cost a couple of dollars a gallon. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:24.200 It's now up around $30 or $40 a gallon and almost impossible 00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:26.720 to get. 00:40:26.720 --> 00:40:30.300 It's funny you say that because I think I've called earlier 00:40:30.300 --> 00:40:31.720 and I had a problem with my shoulder. 00:40:31.720 --> 00:40:32.880 I tore my rotator cuff. 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.080 I opted not to get surgery. 00:40:35.080 --> 00:40:37.800 But there is a variant of turpentine 00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:42.880 that I did on an empty stomach take, not a lot, but enough 00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.760 and literally within minutes. 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.520 I'm talking minutes, the pain would disappear. 00:40:48.520 --> 00:40:50.760 I mean, almost exactly what you're saying. 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.240 And so I don't know whether it sort of-- 00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:57.280 I don't know that it kills parasites or bad creatures 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.920 in your body, which are maybe more likely to go 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:01.400 to the wound site. 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.600 But it certainly numbs them or reduces inflammation, 00:41:04.600 --> 00:41:07.040 as you said, in some fashion. 00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:10.440 To me, it's clearly-- everything you said has clearly 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:11.800 been-- I've already proven it. 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:13.080 I just wanted to get your view. 00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:15.920 The other question relates to something I'd asked before on 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.520 thyroid. 00:41:17.520 --> 00:41:19.520 There's a lot of people who believe, and certainly I 00:41:19.520 --> 00:41:22.160 believe, that thyroid is so important and learned about it 00:41:22.160 --> 00:41:22.640 from you. 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:28.840 But I'm not really one who feels that I would want to be 00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.600 reliant on any sort of thyroid mechanism-- 00:41:31.600 --> 00:41:33.600 or medicine, excuse me. 00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:37.960 So the other approach that Broda Barnes mentions and others 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.200 mention is to actually take iodine. 00:41:40.200 --> 00:41:42.960 And I know I've heard some of your answers on that. 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.880 Maybe you'll have a different view on the context of the way 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.680 I'm going to ask this. 00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:51.720 But in the current environment we're in, you've got reds, 00:41:51.720 --> 00:41:57.440 you've got all these other halogens that compete and 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.840 block iodine. 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:03.720 So it seems to me it's harder-- 00:42:03.720 --> 00:42:05.920 well, I shouldn't say it this way. 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.920 Is it reasonable, without taking kelp with all the-- 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:12.440 just to take straight iodine, perhaps, from the earth, and 00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:17.320 essentially a bioavailable amount, a very small amount, 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.960 that ultimately might be enough to help your thyroid do what 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:26.120 it's supposed to do without having to compete with these 00:42:26.120 --> 00:42:29.880 other-- or maybe to get around, circumvent the use of 00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.480 these haloids that your thyroid doesn't want to use? 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.920 In the last 20 years or so there have been several dozen 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.160 studies showing that thyroid disease corresponds to the 00:42:43.160 --> 00:42:49.600 introduction of iodized salt. 00:42:49.600 --> 00:42:50.840 I think that's a bad product. 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:54.760 So the other thing is, as you'll agree, and I don't 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.040 want to say we're sure picking studies here that people 00:42:58.040 --> 00:43:00.320 say, well, aspirin causes burns a hole in your stomach. 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.320 Well, yeah, sure, if you take a whole bottle. 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:03.920 But they don't tell you they put a whole bottle in the 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.400 test, but they want to do the research so you buy their 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:07.560 other products. 00:43:07.560 --> 00:43:10.960 So the same could be true of iodine, frankly. 00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.320 But I don't disagree. 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.000 So if you took the colored iodine or the iodized salt, 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.960 yeah, there's all kinds of other toxins. 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:26.960 But if you get a pure form of bioavailable iodine in a very 00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.960 small amount, where there's nothing else, it seems like a 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.600 reasonable thing to do. 00:43:32.600 --> 00:43:33.160 Tell me why I'm-- 00:43:33.160 --> 00:43:40.000 Yeah, but over one milligram a day, I think is risky. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:40.960 Yeah, exactly. 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.040 I was thinking like 600 micrograms, 500 to 600, one 00:43:44.040 --> 00:43:45.920 drop, literally. 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.640 Anyway, I was going to test it. 00:43:47.640 --> 00:43:48.480 I'll let you know how it goes. 00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:49.280 But you don't think-- 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:50.320 that's not crazy. 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.840 The things you're talking about I agree with. 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.960 You can't trust any research since you were in school, 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:55.400 right? 00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.080 They're all lying. 00:43:57.080 --> 00:43:57.800 Look at COVID. 00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:58.480 I mean, look at this. 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.200 It's not-- they can't even isolate it. 00:44:00.200 --> 00:44:04.280 So I think you do have to do it yourself and test it in a 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:05.000 reasonable manner. 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.360 So anyway, I'm going to give that a shot, unless you think-- 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.600 so you're saying if you use 500 milligrams and it's close to 00:44:11.600 --> 00:44:15.160 pure iodine and doesn't have other toxins, it's probably not 00:44:15.160 --> 00:44:16.360 a bad thing to test, right? 00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:18.760 It's not going to be safe. 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:20.000 Sorry. 00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:26.320 And I think turpentine is something that really needs 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:32.400 lots of fresh research now, in terms of what we know about 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:40.600 the communication of cells and cytokines and the process of 00:44:40.600 --> 00:44:43.040 inflammation and endo-inflammation. 00:44:43.040 --> 00:44:48.520 Whoops. 00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:49.200 Sorry, I dropped him. 00:44:49.200 --> 00:44:51.680 We got another caller, though. 00:44:51.680 --> 00:44:52.400 Yeah, OK. 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:53.960 Well, thank you for your call, caller. 00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.080 Let's get another call in. 00:44:56.080 --> 00:44:57.800 Caller, where are you from? 00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.920 What's your question? 00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:03.120 From Southern Hovoldt. 00:45:03.120 --> 00:45:07.360 And my question is this, is I don't know what really iodine 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:11.800 and turpentine have to do with the topic, which is 00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.600 epigenetics, as far as I could tell. 00:45:15.600 --> 00:45:26.120 And I heard the guest in very general terms how 00:45:26.120 --> 00:45:30.280 epigenetics works, but I'm wondering if we could get a 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:36.680 little more specific about how that really works and if the 00:45:36.680 --> 00:45:44.280 guest could talk about the mechanism for affecting and 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:50.600 turning on and off the DNA, which is my understanding of 00:45:50.600 --> 00:45:57.640 epigenetics works, having to do with DNA methylation and 00:45:57.640 --> 00:46:01.600 histamine modification and those mechanisms. 00:46:01.600 --> 00:46:06.680 So could the guest actually talk in more specific terms 00:46:06.680 --> 00:46:12.760 about how epigenetics works biochemically and about the 00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:17.280 limitations of what you can actually do with 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.280 epigenetics? 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:24.960 Because it's not like I heard the host say that you can do 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:28.360 anything and be anything and that sort of thing. 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:33.320 My understanding of epigenetics is it's very limited in how it 00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:37.880 can really affect the biochemistry in that it does 00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.120 not change the DNA. 00:46:40.120 --> 00:46:45.520 It just modifies whether that DNA is turned on in particular 00:46:45.520 --> 00:46:48.120 cells or not turned on. 00:46:48.120 --> 00:46:55.720 So the actual amount of documented evidence that 00:46:55.720 --> 00:47:01.360 epigenetics can really change our lives as human beings is 00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:02.760 pretty limited. 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:08.960 And it doesn't mean that our experiences, like being under 00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:13.640 a lot of stress or not getting enough to eat or those kinds of 00:47:13.640 --> 00:47:18.880 real stressors in human beings, can't affect us. 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:21.680 And that's what epigenetics is studying. 00:47:21.680 --> 00:47:25.480 But the idea that we can do anything with epigenetics is 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:31.440 just a misuse, in my opinion, of what's out there actually in 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.440 the science. 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:36.920 So could the guest talk a little bit more about the DNA 00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:41.600 methylation and the actual mechanisms for which 00:47:41.600 --> 00:47:49.760 epigenetics can change the -- whether our DNA gets activated 00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.160 or not in certain cells? 00:47:51.160 --> 00:47:52.360 Thank you. 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:53.360 Okay. 00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:54.360 All right. 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.360 Thank you. 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:59.680 Dr. P., did you get the grasp of that question? 00:47:59.680 --> 00:48:08.600 The attachment of methyl groups to DNA has got the most 00:48:08.600 --> 00:48:20.200 interest and credibility among the standard genetics workers. 00:48:20.200 --> 00:48:28.800 And in principle, with stress and aging, we lose the ability 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.480 to activate genes. 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:40.440 And so the general idea is that our DNA becomes too 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:46.400 methylated, turning off massive amounts of genes so that we're 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:50.880 very slow to renew our cell proteins. 00:48:50.880 --> 00:49:00.720 But certain islands of DNA become under-methylated as a result of 00:49:00.720 --> 00:49:05.760 hormone imbalances and stress and so on. 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:11.280 And if you have a tumor repressor which becomes 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:20.480 methylated, you stop repressing tumors. 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:27.560 And if you have under-methylation of something which is 00:49:27.560 --> 00:49:34.240 considered an oncogene, you can activate oncogenes by losing 00:49:34.240 --> 00:49:37.160 the inhibiting methylation. 00:49:37.160 --> 00:49:44.360 And so the connection of DNA methylation to stress and cancer 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:51.680 development and aging is getting a huge amount of research. 00:49:51.680 --> 00:50:01.080 But there are the second most popular mechanism of epigenetics 00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:10.080 for the conventional crowd is changes in the histones, which 00:50:10.080 --> 00:50:19.120 are -- they are able to block activation of massive amounts 00:50:19.120 --> 00:50:21.440 of DNA. 00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:28.240 And acetylation, there is methylation of histones and also 00:50:28.240 --> 00:50:31.240 attachment of acetyl groups. 00:50:31.240 --> 00:50:39.120 And when acetyl is attached, it lets the DNA become active. 00:50:39.120 --> 00:50:48.000 And so deacetylators become DNA gene-suppressive. 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.760 And there's a lot of research on that too. 00:50:52.760 --> 00:51:02.960 And now the microRNA regulatory systems has tremendously 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.000 complicated the area. 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:17.600 But the idea of the unexpressed 97% or 98% of our DNA, which 00:51:17.600 --> 00:51:25.680 doesn't make genes, this is clearly involved in regulatory 00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:33.840 processes that are not genetic in the ordinary sense, but 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:40.440 obviously contribute to the epigenetic momentum that the 00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:50.320 organism has and people are suggesting that a failure of that 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:57.200 is involved in the old age and the increased susceptibility to 00:51:57.200 --> 00:52:01.480 viruses and degeneration. 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:07.800 And there are probably others, but the whole idea of the 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:19.840 mechanism of how these changes of function and structure without 00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:27.000 changing the actual gene composition, the whole repertoire 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:33.040 that the organism uses is just now really being suspected. 00:52:33.040 --> 00:52:40.560 And I think the emphasis on DNA methylation has been taken out 00:52:40.560 --> 00:52:43.240 of proportion. 00:52:43.240 --> 00:52:50.600 Estrogen and progesterone are both major regulators of gene 00:52:50.600 --> 00:52:57.160 methylation and demethylation and histone acetylation and 00:52:57.160 --> 00:53:00.960 deacetylation. 00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:09.640 So the hormones and the systems energy largely regulated by 00:53:09.640 --> 00:53:16.040 thyroid hormone and the balance between carbon dioxide and 00:53:16.040 --> 00:53:17.720 lactate. 00:53:17.720 --> 00:53:23.080 Carbon dioxide being the quieting, the efficiency 00:53:23.080 --> 00:53:29.400 promoting anti-inflammatory substance, lactate being the 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:36.280 excitatory inflammation promoting de-energizing 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:45.480 substance going with a low metabolic efficiency. 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.360 Okay, well your listeners are going to come in with the 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.440 guide for 91.1 FM from now to the end of the show if people 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.400 want to call in, we can get a couple of one or two quick 00:53:54.400 --> 00:54:00.800 questions in, the number 70798, sorry, 923 3911, I'll say that 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:07.280 once again, 707 923 3911, guest speaker, Dr. Raymond PeaT. 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.800 I had actually just told the caller who was on that, he 00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.480 probably was, well I told him he had to get it out in 30 00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.040 seconds and he actually just hung up. 00:54:14.040 --> 00:54:17.480 So you have like four minutes to clean up and we have an 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:22.880 underwriter to thank at the end, so that's super awesome. 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.920 Okay, so we're probably getting too close to the top of the 00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.000 aisle to take any more calls then. 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:36.920 Okay, all right, well, Dr. PeaT, you're saying basically 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:41.640 then to sum up, there's an energy situation when the 00:54:41.640 --> 00:54:47.560 organism is fully energized and there's plenty of CO2 and 00:54:47.560 --> 00:54:52.520 there is an active thyroid and metabolism is working the way 00:54:52.520 --> 00:54:58.960 it should be, there is much less chance of any epigenetic 00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:04.480 changes taking place that would destabilize the system. 00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:10.680 Yeah, energy is the thing that protects and guides the 00:55:10.680 --> 00:55:18.280 proper expansion of our structures. 00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:23.160 The energy increase under the influence of thyroid and 00:55:23.160 --> 00:55:29.480 oxidative metabolism and carbon dioxide, this is a constant 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:36.880 ongoing flow, which is tending constantly to complexify our 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:41.800 structure, building structure constantly, if your energy 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:47.320 fails then it goes the other way, structure de-complexifies 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:50.760 and deteriorates. 00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.040 Okay, well, I probably should stop you there. 00:55:53.040 --> 00:55:55.400 Thank you so much for giving your time again. 00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.840 Dr. Peat, I'll sign off for giving information about how 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:03.200 people can reach you after this moment. 00:56:03.200 --> 00:56:06.040 Okay, very good, thanks. 00:56:06.040 --> 00:56:07.120 Thank you. 00:56:07.120 --> 00:56:10.080 Okay, so the people who've tuned in this evening, Dr. 00:56:10.080 --> 00:56:18.760 Raymond Peat, www.raypeat.com, he's got a fully referenced 00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:23.280 library, if you will, of papers, newsletters that he's 00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.360 written, backed up and fully referenced. 00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.560 Epigenetics, another one of those subjects that he's weighed 00:56:30.560 --> 00:56:36.760 in on again and, yeah, he has a living testimony to further 00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:40.040 knowledge outside of science for science's sake because he's 00:56:40.040 --> 00:56:45.320 looking not for the money, but he's looking for the truth, and 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.640 so plenty of information on his website. 00:56:47.640 --> 00:56:50.920 I really wanted to get to, you know, very quickly just say a 00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:56.640 little bit about this, I really wanted to get to talk about 00:56:56.640 --> 00:57:02.000 Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, who was a medical doctor, died in 2015, 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:07.720 but had a pretty successful practice treating pancreas 00:57:07.720 --> 00:57:11.160 cancer, pancreatic cancer patients who were rapidly 00:57:11.160 --> 00:57:14.360 progressive, this very aggressive disease, rapidly 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:22.840 fatal, but his speech, there's plenty of audios online, where 00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:27.080 you can hear him, in particular one was titled "Why Clinical 00:57:27.080 --> 00:57:33.080 Trials Where Cancer Cures a Futile," again, somebody else in 00:57:33.080 --> 00:57:36.160 the medical field who really wanted to be altruistic and 00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:39.400 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