WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.580 (upbeat music) 00:00:02.580 --> 00:00:06.960 - All right, seven o'clock, straight up. 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.680 You are listening to Redwood Community Radio, 00:00:09.680 --> 00:00:13.600 KMUD Garberville, 91.1 FM and HD1, 00:00:13.600 --> 00:00:16.960 KMUE Eureka, 88.1 FM and HD1, 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.560 KLAI Laytonville, 90.3 FM, 00:00:19.560 --> 00:00:22.120 on the web, KMUD.org and in Shelter Cove, 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:26.460 we're at 99.5 on FM translator, K258BQ. 00:00:26.460 --> 00:00:29.040 (upbeat music) 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:32.580 (upbeat music) 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.580 (upbeat music) 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:35.440 - Well, welcome to this month's August 19th, 00:01:35.440 --> 00:01:38.940 2022 edition of Ask Your Herb Doctor. 00:01:38.940 --> 00:01:40.380 My name's Andrew Murray. 00:01:40.380 --> 00:01:43.140 - My name's Sarah Johannesen Murray. 00:01:43.140 --> 00:01:46.180 - For those of you who perhaps have never listened 00:01:46.180 --> 00:01:48.660 to the shows before, you've just tuned in, 00:01:48.660 --> 00:01:51.240 it's a once a month radio show, 00:01:51.240 --> 00:01:54.120 third Friday of each month from seven till eight PM. 00:01:54.120 --> 00:01:59.040 It is a live show and we do open up the telephone lines 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:03.380 from 7.30 to eight o'clock for listeners to call in 00:02:03.380 --> 00:02:05.900 with any questions about the show. 00:02:05.900 --> 00:02:09.140 So from 7.30 on, we'll be opening up the lines 00:02:09.140 --> 00:02:14.140 and the number to call is 707-923-3911. 00:02:14.140 --> 00:02:17.700 Once again, from 7.30 until the end of the show, 00:02:17.700 --> 00:02:21.700 eight o'clock, the number to call is 707-923-3911. 00:02:21.700 --> 00:02:28.460 Again, for people who perhaps have never listened 00:02:28.460 --> 00:02:32.460 to the show or just tuned in, it's a once a month radio show 00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:37.460 where we are joined with the expert scientific viewpoint, 00:02:37.460 --> 00:02:43.460 not opinion, but scientific viewpoint of Dr. Raymond Peat, 00:02:43.460 --> 00:02:47.500 who I think has become pretty worldwide known. 00:02:47.500 --> 00:02:51.580 I know people in Europe and Scandinavia have called in 00:02:51.580 --> 00:02:55.180 in the past and people from across the states have called in. 00:02:55.180 --> 00:02:56.580 We've had people from down under 00:02:56.580 --> 00:03:00.900 and we've had people from South America, even, calling in. 00:03:00.900 --> 00:03:04.020 So I appreciate all those people that do tune 00:03:04.020 --> 00:03:06.820 into the show either live or who listened to it 00:03:06.820 --> 00:03:10.020 on the archives and the K-Mud archives are available 00:03:10.020 --> 00:03:12.540 for about two months post-production. 00:03:12.540 --> 00:03:15.860 So from now until about October, 00:03:15.860 --> 00:03:21.740 you can go to kmud.org, go to the audio archives, 00:03:21.740 --> 00:03:24.820 select the Friday night talk dropdown 00:03:24.820 --> 00:03:26.940 and go to the third Friday of the month 00:03:26.940 --> 00:03:31.620 to download the show that's been recorded on that day. 00:03:31.620 --> 00:03:34.180 And also incidentally, we have on our website, 00:03:34.180 --> 00:03:39.180 westernbotanicalmedicine.com a fairly exhaustive list 00:03:39.180 --> 00:03:44.300 from 2007 through to about 2020. 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:47.640 But I still have a good number of shows to put on 00:03:47.640 --> 00:03:48.720 that still hasn't been done. 00:03:48.720 --> 00:03:50.620 So excuse me for that. 00:03:50.620 --> 00:03:53.820 So once again, very pleased to welcome Dr. Peat to the show 00:03:53.820 --> 00:03:57.700 who I think has somewhat recovered 00:03:57.700 --> 00:04:01.340 from some voice hoarseness due to the wildfires 00:04:01.340 --> 00:04:02.700 up in Oregon up there. 00:04:02.700 --> 00:04:07.300 So I know he was a little bit croaky earlier on today. 00:04:07.300 --> 00:04:08.700 How are you doing Dr. Peat? 00:04:08.700 --> 00:04:11.300 - Hi, yeah, it comes and goes. 00:04:11.300 --> 00:04:16.580 I probably should clarify what I mean 00:04:16.580 --> 00:04:19.280 by scientific viewpoint. 00:04:20.380 --> 00:04:25.380 I'm not like Fauci. I don't have the scientific viewpoint 00:04:25.380 --> 00:04:32.740 but I think the scientific viewpoint is a critical one 00:04:32.740 --> 00:04:36.860 always thinking about the evidence 00:04:36.860 --> 00:04:39.580 and what you're really implying. 00:04:39.580 --> 00:04:44.100 So it's a matter of criticism and thinking. 00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:47.220 - Yeah, well, I know you're always able to back up 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:52.060 what you say with either articles or reference journals 00:04:52.060 --> 00:04:57.060 or other information that is bonafide published information. 00:04:57.060 --> 00:05:01.540 And very often you'll point to various authors 00:05:01.540 --> 00:05:05.180 or publications that support what it is you're describing. 00:05:05.180 --> 00:05:08.900 So perhaps I think just initially, as we always do 00:05:08.900 --> 00:05:11.380 just in case anybody listening doesn't know you 00:05:11.380 --> 00:05:14.180 could you just give you an outline of your academic 00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:17.100 and professional background before we start the show? 00:05:17.100 --> 00:05:20.620 - Yeah, I studied the humanities first 00:05:20.620 --> 00:05:23.660 through a master's degree 00:05:23.660 --> 00:05:28.660 and then went back in 1968 to the University of Oregon 00:05:28.660 --> 00:05:33.980 for a PhD in biology, basically physiological chemistry 00:05:33.980 --> 00:05:41.140 specifically the metabolic changes, 00:05:41.140 --> 00:05:46.580 physiological changes that happen in the reproductive system 00:05:46.580 --> 00:05:47.460 in aging. 00:05:47.460 --> 00:05:54.140 And so that's more or less a chapter of dissertation 00:05:54.140 --> 00:06:00.900 that I concentrated on what at that time was still 00:06:00.900 --> 00:06:04.540 sometimes called metoplasm 00:06:04.540 --> 00:06:09.380 or lipofuscin as a basic cause of aging. 00:06:09.380 --> 00:06:15.020 - Okay, so engineers just asked me to ask you 00:06:15.020 --> 00:06:16.140 if you could speak up a little. 00:06:16.140 --> 00:06:18.060 - I can hear you quite well through my headset 00:06:18.060 --> 00:06:19.700 but I'm not too sure the engineer can 00:06:19.700 --> 00:06:21.660 or if the levels are fairly low on the desk. 00:06:21.660 --> 00:06:25.860 So yeah, if you can, if you're speaking on the phone 00:06:25.860 --> 00:06:28.780 if you could just get as close to it as you can. 00:06:28.780 --> 00:06:31.780 So Dr. Peat, I think what I wanted to expand 00:06:31.780 --> 00:06:39.900 with you is your work and your kind of discourse 00:06:39.900 --> 00:06:43.980 on lipofuscin. 00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:45.820 I know we've mentioned it in the past 00:06:45.820 --> 00:06:48.660 and we definitely mentioned it in relation 00:06:48.660 --> 00:06:50.900 to polyunsaturated fatty acids 00:06:50.900 --> 00:06:54.020 which definitely have, I think that the awareness 00:06:54.020 --> 00:06:58.260 from the public has exploded definitely in the last 18 months 00:06:58.260 --> 00:07:00.860 with publications coming out saying that they're not safe 00:07:00.860 --> 00:07:03.860 and that they are dangerous and that the whole thinking 00:07:03.860 --> 00:07:05.820 of the last three decades was quite erroneous 00:07:05.820 --> 00:07:09.860 and has actually resulted in quite a lot of pathology 00:07:09.860 --> 00:07:13.100 not just obesity and diabetes and other, 00:07:13.100 --> 00:07:15.260 the metabolic disorders but all sorts 00:07:15.260 --> 00:07:18.860 of other degenerative conditions. 00:07:18.860 --> 00:07:23.860 So can I, can I guess just start by going over some basics 00:07:23.860 --> 00:07:30.260 with you for these so-called essential fatty acids. 00:07:30.260 --> 00:07:34.580 So if you look online, it seems to imply 00:07:34.580 --> 00:07:38.620 that they are only available from the diet, is that correct? 00:07:38.620 --> 00:07:43.620 No, some very simple experiments make that really clear 00:07:43.620 --> 00:07:50.860 but that amount of clarity in 80 years 00:07:50.860 --> 00:07:58.820 has hardly penetrated the beliefs about the fats 00:07:58.820 --> 00:08:07.220 because industry has found a motive in claiming 00:08:07.220 --> 00:08:11.660 that they are essential where the evidence 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:16.660 is an extremely vague inferential type 00:08:16.660 --> 00:08:22.700 but the evidence against it is as clear 00:08:22.700 --> 00:08:27.700 as for example, you can grow human cells in culture 00:08:27.700 --> 00:08:33.980 like for making specific proteins extracted from them 00:08:35.100 --> 00:08:40.100 and if you're growing huge masses of cells in culture 00:08:40.100 --> 00:08:45.140 you know exactly what they're being fed 00:08:45.140 --> 00:08:47.140 and you can feed them on the diet 00:08:47.140 --> 00:08:53.700 excluding, absolutely excluding fatty acids 00:08:53.700 --> 00:08:57.980 especially the unsaturated fatty acids. 00:08:57.980 --> 00:09:03.660 So you know they're multiplying enormously 00:09:05.260 --> 00:09:10.260 on a diet of no environmental unsaturated fats. 00:09:10.260 --> 00:09:16.260 So obviously any unsaturated fat that they contain 00:09:16.260 --> 00:09:22.220 is something that they have made themselves 00:09:22.220 --> 00:09:24.820 so that they can't be essential. 00:09:24.820 --> 00:09:32.020 The basic or recognized evidence 00:09:33.140 --> 00:09:37.140 that we aren't getting an environmental lunal ache 00:09:37.140 --> 00:09:42.140 or arachidonic acid and are becoming deficient 00:09:42.140 --> 00:09:45.260 in these so-called essential fats 00:09:45.260 --> 00:09:51.420 is to find that we are making something called meat acid 00:09:51.420 --> 00:09:58.980 which is an omega minus nine series 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:05.500 of polyunsaturated fats and having a long saturated tail 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:10.140 just the opposite of fish oil. 00:10:10.140 --> 00:10:15.140 The minus three has unsaturated groups 00:10:15.140 --> 00:10:19.140 within three carbons of the tip 00:10:19.140 --> 00:10:22.580 and the type we make ourselves, 00:10:22.580 --> 00:10:27.580 the meat acids are the saturated fats extend 00:10:29.900 --> 00:10:34.900 down to within only nine carbons at the end 00:10:34.900 --> 00:10:39.100 and that makes them relatively resistant 00:10:39.100 --> 00:10:44.300 to external contact with oxygen. 00:10:44.300 --> 00:10:48.660 - So that's kind of, I think that's pretty important 00:10:48.660 --> 00:10:53.380 what you've just mentioned about the erroneous doctrine 00:10:53.380 --> 00:10:58.380 of being essential and that they are able to be manufactured 00:10:59.700 --> 00:11:02.540 and that will bring out way more questions 00:11:02.540 --> 00:11:06.660 about the whole fish oil industry 00:11:06.660 --> 00:11:11.100 and pumping the narrative with the anti-inflammatory dogma 00:11:11.100 --> 00:11:14.980 or doctrine of the essential fatty acids. 00:11:14.980 --> 00:11:16.900 I think, well I just want to quickly ask you, 00:11:16.900 --> 00:11:19.100 haven't you said in the past 00:11:19.100 --> 00:11:22.260 that the placenta doesn't allow these fats to cross? 00:11:22.260 --> 00:11:24.260 Is that? 00:11:24.260 --> 00:11:26.860 - Oh yeah, it's a very, very good filtration. 00:11:26.860 --> 00:11:31.860 And even when the mother is eating fish and grains 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:39.260 and unsaturated fats, the general recognition 00:11:39.260 --> 00:11:45.460 is that at birth, babies almost always demonstrate 00:11:45.460 --> 00:11:53.980 making some of the anti-inflammatory natural meat acid 00:11:54.380 --> 00:11:59.380 showing that they were assimilating very, very little 00:11:59.380 --> 00:12:03.220 of the proof of the environment. 00:12:03.220 --> 00:12:09.780 And so they're defining the newborn baby 00:12:09.780 --> 00:12:15.340 as almost always essential fatty acid deficient. 00:12:15.340 --> 00:12:21.300 The formula companies argue that they need to add 00:12:22.020 --> 00:12:26.180 basically fish oil extract to baby formula 00:12:26.180 --> 00:12:32.780 to make up for the fact that the newborn brain 00:12:32.780 --> 00:12:37.100 shows evidence of deficiency of exactly those fats. 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:42.020 And so they do add it to baby formula 00:12:42.020 --> 00:12:48.100 and within a few days of reaching the grocery store, 00:12:51.340 --> 00:12:56.340 these fats are degrading and becoming oxidized and toxic. 00:12:56.340 --> 00:12:59.940 And then after about a month in the store, 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:06.300 degrade even more so you find less and less 00:13:06.300 --> 00:13:11.300 of the oxidized fish oil products. 00:13:11.300 --> 00:13:16.380 But the evidence is that what you're doing 00:13:16.380 --> 00:13:21.380 is feeding your baby rancid fish oil products 00:13:21.380 --> 00:13:24.500 which are toxic in many ways. 00:13:24.500 --> 00:13:27.420 - Now, haven't you also said that they've done 00:13:27.420 --> 00:13:29.580 plenty of experiments to support the fact 00:13:29.580 --> 00:13:31.980 that babies that are fed on these formulas 00:13:31.980 --> 00:13:35.380 because of these EPAs and other fatty acids 00:13:35.380 --> 00:13:38.460 that are in the formula, they can show 00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:43.260 that they have decreased cognition, decreased awareness. 00:13:43.260 --> 00:13:45.980 And I think we've mentioned this in the past 00:13:45.980 --> 00:13:49.860 to the comparison of the kind of quote unquote fussy baby, 00:13:49.860 --> 00:13:51.540 not one that's got griping colic, 00:13:51.540 --> 00:13:54.220 but it's fussy and active and awake 00:13:54.220 --> 00:13:57.340 and just behaving like a normal baby. 00:13:57.340 --> 00:14:02.340 - Yeah, those studies were done over the last seven years, 00:14:02.340 --> 00:14:07.660 80 years in rats and dogs and other animals 00:14:07.660 --> 00:14:11.540 showing that in proportion to the amount of PUFA 00:14:11.540 --> 00:14:16.540 in the diet, their brains are reduced in size 00:14:16.540 --> 00:14:22.420 and in learning ability after they're born. 00:14:22.420 --> 00:14:28.540 So the deficient animals without the PUFA in their brains 00:14:28.540 --> 00:14:35.940 have bigger brains, are higher metabolizers all over 00:14:37.100 --> 00:14:41.980 and learn much faster. 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:46.980 The difference in learning in the 70s, 00:14:46.980 --> 00:14:53.460 some studies said it was like the average rodent deficient 00:14:53.460 --> 00:15:01.380 in PUFA having something like a 140 IQ upper PUFA 00:15:07.100 --> 00:15:11.220 and a few percent of brain learning ability. 00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:15.580 - Compared to his EPA drugged siblings. 00:15:15.580 --> 00:15:18.900 - Yeah, and if you look at the aging brain, 00:15:18.900 --> 00:15:23.900 right from birth, all the animals that have been studied, 00:15:23.900 --> 00:15:30.780 the amount of PUFA in the brain does steadily increase 00:15:30.780 --> 00:15:36.300 from the so-called deficient state at birth, 00:15:36.300 --> 00:15:41.300 up until a heavy overload state in old age and dementia, 00:15:41.300 --> 00:15:47.260 a steady increase in PUFA concentration 00:15:47.260 --> 00:15:52.100 bound interfering with cholesterol synthesis. 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:58.700 But as the PUFA content of tissue increases, 00:15:58.700 --> 00:16:03.140 the heat production and metabolic energy 00:16:03.140 --> 00:16:07.260 of the whole animal decreases in proportion. 00:16:07.260 --> 00:16:13.500 So the baby has extremely high overall oxygen consumption 00:16:13.500 --> 00:16:18.420 and metabolic rate supporting that fantastic rate 00:16:18.420 --> 00:16:21.900 of learning that is normal for a newborn. 00:16:21.900 --> 00:16:24.860 - Well, excellent. 00:16:24.860 --> 00:16:27.100 - An interesting side note, can you guys hear me? 00:16:27.100 --> 00:16:28.740 - Yeah, yeah, go ahead. 00:16:28.740 --> 00:16:31.060 - Okay, an interesting side note is I'm not someone 00:16:31.060 --> 00:16:33.980 who suffered from heartburn, but when I was pregnant, 00:16:33.980 --> 00:16:38.980 all three times, if I ate any PUFA-rich animal fat, 00:16:38.980 --> 00:16:44.700 like a duck fat or a chicken fat or a pork fat, 00:16:44.700 --> 00:16:46.860 even just the tiniest little bit, 00:16:46.860 --> 00:16:48.100 because I was avoiding that, 00:16:48.100 --> 00:16:50.940 because I knew those contained PUFA, 00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:53.340 because I wasn't eating any vegetables that contained PUFA, 00:16:53.340 --> 00:16:55.500 but that was the only time I would get heartburn 00:16:55.500 --> 00:16:57.340 is when I ate those fats, 00:16:57.340 --> 00:16:58.980 or even just a little bit of those fats. 00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:03.980 It was very easy for me to see why I shouldn't be eating 00:17:03.980 --> 00:17:07.620 any kind of PUFA fats when I was pregnant, 00:17:07.620 --> 00:17:09.340 because I immediately got heartburn. 00:17:09.340 --> 00:17:13.740 - Okay, so I think what we've outlined here, 00:17:13.740 --> 00:17:16.020 you're listening to our skier of Dr. Jamie D. Garber, 00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:20.140 who 91.1 FM, and from now, or 7.30 rather, 00:17:20.140 --> 00:17:20.980 until the end of the show, 00:17:20.980 --> 00:17:23.260 you can call him with any questions related 00:17:23.260 --> 00:17:25.700 to this month's subject of lipofuscin, 00:17:25.700 --> 00:17:28.500 Dr. Raymond Peek joining us live. 00:17:28.500 --> 00:17:30.500 - I think what I wanna say right off the bat here is, 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:35.500 first of all, that, gosh, the essential fatty acid myth 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:40.020 has just been, again, destroyed. 00:17:40.020 --> 00:17:43.580 And the whole, gosh, and the word collusion 00:17:43.580 --> 00:17:44.820 gets banded around so much, 00:17:44.820 --> 00:17:48.700 especially during this cold COVID debacle. 00:17:48.700 --> 00:17:52.820 But the word collusion in terms of the industries 00:17:52.820 --> 00:17:55.260 that are multi-billion dollar industries, 00:17:55.260 --> 00:17:58.740 and the fish oil industry is one of those massive 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:01.500 conglomerates worldwide pushing this stuff, 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:06.500 and all the academia pumping out the supporting evidence, 00:18:06.500 --> 00:18:09.500 as it were, with the studies showing 00:18:09.500 --> 00:18:11.860 the anti-inflammatory effect via psoriasis, 00:18:11.860 --> 00:18:15.340 or anti-inflammatory effect via asthma, 00:18:15.340 --> 00:18:17.940 of these so-called essential fatty acids, 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:19.420 which are not essential. 00:18:19.420 --> 00:18:21.700 And the very fact that, 00:18:21.700 --> 00:18:23.780 and I don't have any problem bringing this out, 00:18:23.780 --> 00:18:26.020 but at the end of the day, we're divine creatures, 00:18:26.020 --> 00:18:27.660 and God made us in his image, 00:18:27.660 --> 00:18:30.420 and the baby that is born in the mother's womb, 00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:36.100 the feeding mechanism selectively blocks 00:18:36.100 --> 00:18:38.380 the transport of these products. 00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:39.320 Now, why is that? 00:18:39.320 --> 00:18:44.100 I think you got your answer right there. 00:18:44.100 --> 00:18:46.980 So, interesting, so let's carry on, Dr. Peat. 00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:51.220 The fact that these N minus three and N minus sixes 00:18:51.220 --> 00:18:55.020 are not essential, but they are found 00:18:55.020 --> 00:18:57.020 in many different foods. 00:18:57.020 --> 00:19:00.300 And I know you've always said nuts and seeds are number, 00:19:00.300 --> 00:19:01.820 well, the fish oil is kind of number one, 00:19:01.820 --> 00:19:05.660 the most reactive or the most rapidly oxidizable PUFA, 00:19:05.660 --> 00:19:07.500 but nuts and seeds, 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:09.620 that we shouldn't be eating nuts and seeds 00:19:09.620 --> 00:19:13.420 because maybe they're not so bad in their raw state, 00:19:13.420 --> 00:19:14.740 if they're sprouted, for example, 00:19:14.740 --> 00:19:18.620 but when they make oil from nuts and seeds, 00:19:18.620 --> 00:19:21.940 they never would have found that volume of oil 00:19:21.940 --> 00:19:24.240 within that nut or that seed to actually use it. 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:26.140 So when they come up with canola oil, 00:19:26.140 --> 00:19:28.580 'cause corn does have a pretty high component 00:19:28.580 --> 00:19:30.820 of N minus three and six oils, 00:19:30.820 --> 00:19:35.180 the liquid oils that we are subjected to 00:19:35.180 --> 00:19:37.700 and have been for 30, 40, 50 years, 00:19:37.700 --> 00:19:40.860 as a result of this huge industry, both number one, 00:19:40.860 --> 00:19:44.640 denying the fact that these essential fatty acids 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:46.180 are essential because they're not, 00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:48.380 we can actually live without them 00:19:48.380 --> 00:19:50.500 and produce them ourselves spontaneously, 00:19:50.500 --> 00:19:53.980 but that the foods that have these are beneficial for us 00:19:53.980 --> 00:19:55.500 and we need to buy their products, 00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:58.200 especially the liquid oils that have been used 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:01.580 and fish oil that's become a multi-billion dollar market. 00:20:01.580 --> 00:20:08.500 - The nuts and seeds that produce the oils 00:20:08.500 --> 00:20:13.580 and the snakes and frogs and fish 00:20:14.340 --> 00:20:19.340 that use them habitually and without any special problem, 00:20:19.340 --> 00:20:23.540 they don't think of themselves as food, 00:20:23.540 --> 00:20:28.540 but those oils are appropriate for manufacturing 00:20:28.540 --> 00:20:35.380 their own energy stores or to be obtained from their food 00:20:35.380 --> 00:20:41.860 because they live at a fairly low temperature, 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:46.500 at room temperature and below, for example. 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:51.500 And animal fats at room temperature tend to solidify 00:20:51.500 --> 00:20:58.180 and a snake with solidified fat just doesn't work very well. 00:20:58.180 --> 00:21:01.940 The same with the fish. 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:07.820 If you're going to have flexible active tissues, 00:21:07.820 --> 00:21:12.340 you need to have fats that are liquid 00:21:12.340 --> 00:21:17.340 at body temperature and so these fats 00:21:17.340 --> 00:21:22.280 which are appropriate for cold animals, 00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:26.500 if you put these fats into a very hot animal, 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:30.780 that's when they're extremely unstable. 00:21:30.780 --> 00:21:35.780 High temperature plus the fact that they are designed 00:21:38.980 --> 00:21:43.980 to be very sensitive to each so that they're flexible 00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:49.540 at room temperature, that means that you shouldn't eat them 00:21:49.540 --> 00:21:54.900 if you're going to live at 98 degrees Fahrenheit. 00:21:54.900 --> 00:22:01.980 - So what you're saying is that it's okay 00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:06.980 for the frogs and the snakes and the fish to eat these, 00:22:07.260 --> 00:22:12.260 Omega-6 and Omega-3 oils because they're cold blooded 00:22:12.260 --> 00:22:15.940 and they're not going to heat those fats up 00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:18.700 to a high temperature and oxidize them. 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:21.740 Where it's weird because we should be around 98, 00:22:21.740 --> 00:22:25.820 99 degrees Fahrenheit, we're going to rapidly oxidize those 00:22:25.820 --> 00:22:27.420 and turn them into free radicals. 00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:29.380 Is that what you're saying, Dr. Peat? 00:22:29.380 --> 00:22:34.380 - Exactly, in some studies they decided to see 00:22:35.340 --> 00:22:40.340 how efficient as energy sources fish oil was for fish. 00:22:40.340 --> 00:22:48.460 Naturally it has to be liquid enough to function 00:22:48.460 --> 00:22:53.460 at a cool temperature but they added some animal fat, 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:58.820 more saturated fat, so it wasn't quite so fish oil-like 00:22:58.820 --> 00:23:04.180 to salmon diet and then put them through an endurance test 00:23:05.580 --> 00:23:09.900 and the salmon that were eating salmon fat 00:23:09.900 --> 00:23:13.580 didn't have the endurance that they would have 00:23:13.580 --> 00:23:16.980 if you gave them a little more saturated fat. 00:23:16.980 --> 00:23:24.700 - Okay, so are you listening to ask of Dr. KMD 91.1 FM 00:23:24.700 --> 00:23:27.900 from 730 onwards, so you're welcome invited to call in, 00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:31.860 number 707-923-3911. 00:23:31.860 --> 00:23:35.900 So Dr. P, I think the focus and the thrust of the show 00:23:35.900 --> 00:23:40.900 being on lipofuscin and its danger, its build up, 00:23:40.900 --> 00:23:47.300 how it's virtually impossible to detox from it, remove it, 00:23:47.300 --> 00:23:51.700 gets bound up in neurons and is very much 00:23:51.700 --> 00:23:56.700 a aging causative factor and also one that is, 00:23:57.220 --> 00:24:02.220 I think, well implicated in neurodegenerative conditions 00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:05.500 and I think we can look at a little later 00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:08.660 things like Parkinson's, Alzheimer's disease, 00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:10.740 Parkinson's disease, dementia 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:13.740 and those other neuro vegetative disorders 00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:18.740 but given that our diet is so broad 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:22.460 and we have access to so many things 00:24:22.460 --> 00:24:26.580 and the health industry wants to point us towards the nuts 00:24:26.580 --> 00:24:29.580 and the seeds and the fish and all of these things 00:24:29.580 --> 00:24:33.900 that are rich in these N-3 and N-6 oils. 00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:37.540 I know you've always supported a saturated diet 00:24:37.540 --> 00:24:42.260 and using minimal starches too 00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:47.260 but saturated fats as a prime source. 00:24:47.260 --> 00:24:53.220 In terms of your diet and the amount of foods 00:24:53.220 --> 00:24:58.220 that people do eat, do you think it isn't over 00:24:58.220 --> 00:25:00.100 or not just over consumption 00:25:00.100 --> 00:25:02.740 but do you think that they should be consumed at all? 00:25:02.740 --> 00:25:08.020 I think they should be avoided as far as possible. 00:25:08.020 --> 00:25:10.700 Yeah, avoided as far as possible, there you go. 00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:15.940 So I think the basis of the lipofuscin, 00:25:15.940 --> 00:25:20.940 would you outline your understanding of the process 00:25:22.540 --> 00:25:27.540 by which things like metal ions as well as stressors 00:25:27.540 --> 00:25:32.100 exert their effect on these N-3 and N-6 oils 00:25:32.100 --> 00:25:34.340 in the presence of our body temperature 00:25:34.340 --> 00:25:36.820 and how destructive these things are 00:25:36.820 --> 00:25:39.340 and then we'll get down the rabbit hole 00:25:39.340 --> 00:25:42.660 of decreased age and dementia 00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:46.100 and all the other neuro vegetative disorders. 00:25:46.100 --> 00:25:51.100 Starting in the 1930s to explain why 00:25:53.260 --> 00:25:58.260 food got rancid, the process of breakdown of fats 00:25:58.260 --> 00:26:05.180 and how it works inside tissues. 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:11.820 It was studied in various ways including model systems 00:26:11.820 --> 00:26:17.340 and people learned to manufacture something 00:26:17.340 --> 00:26:21.340 that looked and functioned like lipofuscin 00:26:22.620 --> 00:26:27.620 by reacting, for example, copper and vitamin C, 00:26:27.620 --> 00:26:38.260 iron and just about any kind of fat 00:26:38.260 --> 00:26:46.140 and various biological components 00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:50.940 including nucleic acids and proteins. 00:26:50.940 --> 00:26:55.940 And you can see that a free radical process 00:26:55.940 --> 00:27:01.660 is triggered by the copper or iron and reductant 00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:06.980 such as vitamin C that attracts the oily materials, 00:27:06.980 --> 00:27:13.020 especially if they're unsaturated 00:27:13.020 --> 00:27:18.020 and causes a spreading catalytic oxidative process 00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:21.660 that creates some more free radicals. 00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:26.420 And so you can identify various things 00:27:26.420 --> 00:27:29.940 that are pulled out of tissues depending on 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:33.100 which tissue you start the process in. 00:27:33.100 --> 00:27:38.100 If it's a liver and you're under the influence 00:27:38.100 --> 00:27:42.060 of estrogen or alcohol, for example, 00:27:42.060 --> 00:27:47.020 the liver is going to produce 00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:54.380 lots of porphyrin, a chemical used for making heme 00:27:54.380 --> 00:27:58.580 in energy metabolism. 00:27:58.580 --> 00:28:03.580 And that porphyrin will spontaneously amplify the formation 00:28:03.580 --> 00:28:10.940 of the lipofuscin and so some ready made molecules 00:28:10.940 --> 00:28:16.580 are great amplifiers of the process. 00:28:16.580 --> 00:28:21.220 But that depends on the organ and the physiology 00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:23.540 of the organism at the moment it's happening. 00:28:23.540 --> 00:28:29.460 But it varies with every organ and momentary conditions 00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:37.060 of the organ and the environmental availability 00:28:37.060 --> 00:28:44.220 of the various breakdown products. 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:50.420 Tissue injury of any sort releases fragments 00:28:50.420 --> 00:28:54.180 of the damaged cell material. 00:28:54.180 --> 00:29:00.100 And all of that fragmentary evidence of damage 00:29:00.100 --> 00:29:06.980 contributes to the formation of the lipofuscin. 00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:11.980 And at first it can be only in the soluble form 00:29:13.300 --> 00:29:17.860 that can travel outside of cells 00:29:17.860 --> 00:29:23.420 between the cells through the connective tissue, 00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:27.700 through the bloodstream, back in the cells 00:29:27.700 --> 00:29:30.180 in different parts of the organism. 00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:40.180 And some of it forms only as particles in lysosomes 00:29:41.780 --> 00:29:46.780 or mitochondria or any particular part of the cell 00:29:46.780 --> 00:29:55.580 might be where the majority of it starts. 00:29:55.580 --> 00:29:58.220 But it all depends on the situation, 00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:02.860 the conditions of that particular tissue. 00:30:02.860 --> 00:30:07.860 So even though it's a very comprehensive theory 00:30:09.860 --> 00:30:14.860 of sickness, aging, and the degenerative process, 00:30:14.860 --> 00:30:22.180 it is so infinitely varied that the ability 00:30:22.180 --> 00:30:27.180 to believe that it's happening, 00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:32.180 it has taken 80 years to pass 00:30:32.180 --> 00:30:37.860 from a fairly vague idea of what aging is 00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:43.380 to a recognition that it's a very powerful way 00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:48.740 of explaining disease, degeneration, and aging. 00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:54.020 - And did you say that lipofuscin can be soluble? 00:30:54.020 --> 00:30:54.860 - Oh, yeah. 00:30:54.860 --> 00:30:55.940 - Yeah. 00:30:55.940 --> 00:30:58.700 Okay, so it's not this insoluble material 00:30:58.700 --> 00:31:03.700 that is a complex of iron, protein, and sugar residues. 00:31:06.780 --> 00:31:11.660 - Yeah, the smaller particles form soluble 00:31:11.660 --> 00:31:14.700 medium-sized molecules. 00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.340 - So for example, when we, okay, so let me just back up. 00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:20.820 When it comes to, 'cause I, 00:31:20.820 --> 00:31:25.820 when I was looking at lipofuscin and its main, 00:31:25.820 --> 00:31:30.820 the main areas that it's deposited in, 00:31:30.820 --> 00:31:35.500 essentially, there's three categories, I think, 00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:39.740 nerves, cardiac muscle, I think it may have also mentioned 00:31:39.740 --> 00:31:41.020 skeletal muscle, and then skin. 00:31:41.020 --> 00:31:46.020 And I always kind of relate lipofuscin 00:31:46.020 --> 00:31:48.860 with the aged pigment that you see on the hands 00:31:48.860 --> 00:31:51.860 because they're visible with older people, for example. 00:31:51.860 --> 00:31:54.380 But you have said also that, 00:31:54.380 --> 00:31:57.060 that's kind of a separate question, 00:31:57.060 --> 00:31:58.220 I'm kind of digressing a little bit, 00:31:58.220 --> 00:32:00.980 that the lipofuscin can actually be present 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:03.820 in somebody in pretty high and dangerous amounts 00:32:03.820 --> 00:32:05.700 without actually showing itself on the skin. 00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:09.500 But let me just first hold the thought with that. 00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:12.940 To say that the lipofuscin itself, 00:32:12.940 --> 00:32:15.940 I thought it was always the kind of complex between, 00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:18.420 like I said, the kind of iron, or copper, or zinc, 00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:23.420 or some cation, and some kind of oxidized protein, 00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:28.940 and then sugars, and that it was insoluble 00:32:28.940 --> 00:32:32.380 when it got laid down into the nervous tissue, for example. 00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:35.180 And because it was complex the way it was, 00:32:35.180 --> 00:32:38.460 it was basically resistant to being broken down and removed. 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:41.260 But you're saying that there is some lipofuscin 00:32:41.260 --> 00:32:43.180 at some point in time that is quite soluble 00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:44.300 and freely moving about. 00:32:44.300 --> 00:32:47.340 Is it able to be excreted at that point? 00:32:47.340 --> 00:32:50.420 - Oh, sure, yeah, some of it shows up in the urine. 00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:51.860 - Right, okay. 00:32:51.860 --> 00:32:56.860 So, if that's the case then, 00:32:56.860 --> 00:32:59.700 okay, I'm just trying to think about the excretory pathways 00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:02.500 and seeing, I was thinking about liver support 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:03.860 and liver stimulants and things 00:33:03.860 --> 00:33:06.740 that would increase diuresis and improve kidney's function 00:33:06.740 --> 00:33:08.300 and removal of waste and that kind of thing, 00:33:08.300 --> 00:33:13.300 but if that's the case, then during the day, for example, 00:33:13.300 --> 00:33:17.740 if you're using things like bitters, in England, 00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:20.340 we just came back from being over there for a few weeks, 00:33:20.340 --> 00:33:23.540 but bitters are very kind of European in English 00:33:23.540 --> 00:33:27.140 and people use bitters to stimulate bile 00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:30.940 and emulsify fats and improve digestion. 00:33:30.940 --> 00:33:36.740 Is there any mileage in supposing 00:33:36.740 --> 00:33:40.260 that these kind of bitters or aperitifs 00:33:40.260 --> 00:33:42.460 could have a positive effect 00:33:42.460 --> 00:33:44.420 in removing soluble lipofuscin 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:47.100 and before it gets converted or laid down 00:33:47.100 --> 00:33:50.460 into something that is less soluble and more permanent? 00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:52.140 - Oh, I think so. 00:33:52.140 --> 00:33:55.940 Accelerating your digestive processes in general. 00:33:55.940 --> 00:33:57.140 - Okay. 00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:58.220 - Are it gonna help? 00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:00.620 - Right, I mean, not just using, for example, 00:34:00.620 --> 00:34:05.380 like you always recommend Cascara as a laxative 00:34:05.380 --> 00:34:08.860 to decrease the transit time, 00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:12.100 but even those agents that would just improve 00:34:12.100 --> 00:34:16.340 liver function and digestion and excretion in general. 00:34:16.340 --> 00:34:19.980 Yeah, okay, all right, so let me ask you this then. 00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:22.580 What's the difference then between 00:34:22.580 --> 00:34:26.220 the lipofuscin that's found 00:34:26.220 --> 00:34:30.700 both in endothelial plaque as a result of an atheroma 00:34:30.700 --> 00:34:33.220 that they say someone's died from 00:34:33.220 --> 00:34:34.740 because of the cholesterol that's there, 00:34:34.740 --> 00:34:36.100 but we know that that cholesterol 00:34:36.100 --> 00:34:37.540 is actually a protective mechanism 00:34:37.540 --> 00:34:41.220 under which that initial insult is visible 00:34:41.220 --> 00:34:43.900 in the forms of the lipofuscin on the endothelia, 00:34:43.900 --> 00:34:48.900 but how about also the lipofuscin that's found 00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:53.100 as these dewy bodies, these Lewy bodies, 00:34:53.100 --> 00:34:55.940 that is very prevalent, amyloid plaque 00:34:55.940 --> 00:34:58.500 that's prevalent in neurodegenerative disorders 00:34:58.500 --> 00:35:02.660 like Parkinson's or Alzheimer's. 00:35:02.660 --> 00:35:05.180 How have they become insoluble 00:35:05.180 --> 00:35:07.220 and basically cause the demise 00:35:07.220 --> 00:35:09.580 of that person in a neuro-vegetative way, 00:35:09.580 --> 00:35:10.420 rather than just aging? 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:12.780 - How many things go into the composition? 00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:18.860 It depends on the type of injury and exposure 00:35:20.740 --> 00:35:23.260 and the type of fat and the quantity 00:35:23.260 --> 00:35:28.260 that you're exposed to, as well as the natural factors 00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:36.380 such as the hormone products. 00:35:36.380 --> 00:35:42.700 There is such variation that if it's going to be 00:35:42.700 --> 00:35:48.300 extremely fat-loving material, 00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:53.300 that means it's gonna stick in your nerve cells primarily. 00:35:53.300 --> 00:36:00.140 Huntington's disease is very closely connected 00:36:00.140 --> 00:36:05.740 to certain types of proof of derived lipofuscin. 00:36:05.740 --> 00:36:11.380 Each type of nerve malfunction associated 00:36:13.420 --> 00:36:18.060 with a particular protein, like synuclein. 00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:23.860 Each variation of lipofuscin molecule 00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:28.860 is going to affect which kind of nerve is affected 00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:31.580 in exactly what way. 00:36:31.580 --> 00:36:37.900 So you can trace its history and even you can work 00:36:40.420 --> 00:36:45.420 on unraveling the history because if you know that 00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:51.700 it's a matter of a balance between how fast 00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:57.060 you're putting it in and how fast you can remove it. 00:36:57.060 --> 00:37:00.540 The process of removal is very slow, 00:37:00.540 --> 00:37:05.540 but if you essentially stop the formation 00:37:05.740 --> 00:37:10.740 by stopping your excess intake of aluminum, iron, copper 00:37:10.740 --> 00:37:19.940 and so on and of unsaturated fats and other irritants, 00:37:19.940 --> 00:37:28.820 then you can reduce the formation of it almost to zero, 00:37:28.820 --> 00:37:33.540 at which point this light attrition 00:37:33.540 --> 00:37:37.900 by way of vitamin E can gradually reduce 00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:40.300 the amount in the brain. 00:37:40.300 --> 00:37:44.620 - Interesting, so do you think then that fish oil, 00:37:44.620 --> 00:37:49.100 for example, would be a far more implicated fatty acid 00:37:49.100 --> 00:37:53.340 in the production of these lipofuscin 00:37:53.340 --> 00:37:58.340 over flaxseed oil, say, or corn? 00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:05.740 - Yeah, the type of molecule is extremely variable. 00:38:05.740 --> 00:38:13.540 Some of the early studies with feeding a lot of fish 00:38:13.540 --> 00:38:18.380 to pigs and horses and dogs and mink in particular, 00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:25.820 they identified something called yellow fat disease 00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:30.740 in which the animal's fat became a source 00:38:30.740 --> 00:38:33.620 of dangerous inflammation. 00:38:33.620 --> 00:38:37.060 - Let me hold you there for a second, Dr. Peat. 00:38:37.060 --> 00:38:42.060 - Accumulated in a form that created an intense 00:38:42.060 --> 00:38:47.740 degenerative inflammation throughout the fat system. 00:38:47.740 --> 00:38:49.180 - Let me hold you there for a second. 00:38:49.180 --> 00:38:50.220 We do have a caller. 00:38:50.220 --> 00:38:54.460 So once again, you're listening to KMUD Garberville 91.1 FM. 00:38:54.460 --> 00:38:55.980 From now until the end of the show at eight, 00:38:55.980 --> 00:39:00.700 the number to call is 707-923-3911. 00:39:00.700 --> 00:39:04.860 Once again, 707-923-3911. 00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:06.260 So let's take this caller. 00:39:06.260 --> 00:39:07.100 Caller, you're on the air. 00:39:07.100 --> 00:39:07.940 Where are you from? 00:39:07.940 --> 00:39:08.780 What's your question? 00:39:08.780 --> 00:39:10.860 - Yes, I'm from Garberville, California. 00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:13.700 My question is, as the general rule, 00:39:13.700 --> 00:39:16.500 I love the organic coconut milk, 00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:19.340 and I'm wondering what its benefits are, 00:39:19.340 --> 00:39:22.380 and I'm also wondering what you would recommend 00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:26.580 as another type of nut milk that are an excellent product. 00:39:26.580 --> 00:39:30.580 - Okay, so coconut milk, Dr. Peat, I know you're not 00:39:30.580 --> 00:39:33.060 too into nut milks, per se. 00:39:33.060 --> 00:39:37.140 What have you got to say about coconut milk? 00:39:37.140 --> 00:39:39.380 - I'm not especially wild about it. 00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:43.340 Studies in the Philippines have found that 00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:48.700 people who cook with it frequently 00:39:48.700 --> 00:39:51.300 have a high incidence of breast cancer. 00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:53.060 - Ouch. 00:39:53.060 --> 00:39:58.060 - So I'm not sure about what the natural contents are. 00:39:58.060 --> 00:40:03.780 - Basically, what I'm asking is to drink the coconut milk 00:40:03.780 --> 00:40:07.140 without heating it, just using it as a general rule 00:40:07.140 --> 00:40:11.140 in a cool basis of putting fruit in it, that sort of thing. 00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:17.020 - If it's just the actual water, 00:40:17.020 --> 00:40:22.020 if you puncture an unripe coconut and get the water out, 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:26.220 but what they call coconut milk or cream 00:40:26.220 --> 00:40:31.220 is a manufactured process where they grind up 00:40:31.220 --> 00:40:36.220 some of the solid material and suspend it in the water, 00:40:36.220 --> 00:40:39.140 and I don't think it's safe. 00:40:39.140 --> 00:40:43.980 - Okay, the other question was the nut milks, 00:40:43.980 --> 00:40:46.280 what ones do you recommend? 00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:53.340 - I don't think there's such thing, they can make 00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:58.660 any emulsion that's white and liquid and call it a milk, 00:40:58.660 --> 00:41:06.420 a grain milk or a bean milk or nut milk, 00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:10.820 but that doesn't have any nutritional value 00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:13.900 in a positive sense. 00:41:13.900 --> 00:41:16.100 - Okay, the third question was you were mentioning 00:41:16.100 --> 00:41:20.120 the linoleic acid, which is one of the most fabulous ones 00:41:20.120 --> 00:41:24.840 you can put in your body, and we do always, 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.540 under ETs, under consume these linoleic acids, 00:41:29.540 --> 00:41:34.540 what other related acids would you highly recommend 00:41:34.540 --> 00:41:36.440 that we do consume? 00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:43.580 - The coconut oil in itself has some real adaptogenic 00:41:46.460 --> 00:41:51.160 properties by interfering with the PUFA. 00:41:51.160 --> 00:41:56.700 - And it's thermogenic, obviously it's saturated 00:41:56.700 --> 00:41:59.540 and so it doesn't have any of the side effects 00:41:59.540 --> 00:42:03.500 of being able to be converted into a lipofuscin product, 00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:08.580 and it's definitely a metabolism stimulator. 00:42:08.580 --> 00:42:11.620 Okay, I think the-- 00:42:11.620 --> 00:42:14.580 - Hi, can I just try to clarify for that caller? 00:42:14.580 --> 00:42:15.420 - Yeah. 00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:19.740 - If he really only recommends coconut oil, 00:42:19.740 --> 00:42:23.820 and not, he does not recommend the omega three 00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:28.380 or the omega six or any nut seed oils 00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:32.860 or nut milks or seed or bean milks 00:42:32.860 --> 00:42:34.660 is what basically I think you were trying to say, 00:42:34.660 --> 00:42:35.500 Dr. Peat. 00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:36.340 - Yeah, right. 00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:40.400 - Okay, all right, so let's move on. 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.420 Say it again. 00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:47.180 I'm really close to it. 00:42:47.180 --> 00:42:48.660 (laughing) 00:42:48.660 --> 00:42:50.340 I'll be kissing it in a moment. 00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:51.700 All right, that's it, turn me up. 00:42:51.700 --> 00:42:54.740 Okay, I caught you saying a little while ago, Dr. Peat, 00:42:54.740 --> 00:42:58.940 that other reductants like vitamin C 00:42:58.940 --> 00:43:02.300 could drive lipofuscin production 00:43:02.300 --> 00:43:07.300 in the presence of those N minus three, N minus sixes. 00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:08.620 Did I hear that correct? 00:43:10.580 --> 00:43:15.580 - Yeah, too much vitamin C easily activates 00:43:15.580 --> 00:43:21.620 any stray atoms you have of aluminum iron, 00:43:21.620 --> 00:43:24.580 zinc, mercury, and so on. 00:43:24.580 --> 00:43:29.580 - Okay, so how does that relate to orange juice 00:43:29.580 --> 00:43:32.740 and consuming large amounts of orange juice? 00:43:32.740 --> 00:43:36.640 I mean, obviously, following what you're following, 00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:38.120 then that wouldn't be a problem, 00:43:38.120 --> 00:43:40.260 but if people are out there drinking lots of orange juice, 00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:44.700 but they're still eating certain products 00:43:44.700 --> 00:43:48.340 that would contain either of these oils, 00:43:48.340 --> 00:43:52.160 wouldn't that vitamin C there be a danger? 00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:57.160 - Oh, sure, but there are so many chemicals 00:43:57.160 --> 00:44:03.180 other than vitamin C, the oranges, citrus fruit in general, 00:44:05.700 --> 00:44:10.700 grape juice, fruits and vegetables very widely 00:44:10.700 --> 00:44:18.100 contain bioflavonoids which are basically inside the cell, 00:44:18.100 --> 00:44:27.020 they are oxidant, and in the right quantity, 00:44:27.020 --> 00:44:31.700 vitamin C is an oxidant inside the cell 00:44:31.700 --> 00:44:33.940 in the healthy, non-cancerous cell. 00:44:35.220 --> 00:44:37.500 - Yeah, but I mean, you just- 00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:42.500 - The function of anti-oxidation of the bioflavonoids 00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:47.660 and vitamin C comes when you get the right amount in cells, 00:44:47.660 --> 00:44:52.140 which activates oxidative processes, 00:44:52.140 --> 00:44:58.060 absorbing potentially stray electrons 00:44:58.060 --> 00:45:01.020 that would contribute to the fusco. 00:45:01.020 --> 00:45:02.860 - Is there any way that you would say 00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:05.380 there would be a sure way to get these pumped 00:45:05.380 --> 00:45:07.420 inside the cells then so that you'd have 00:45:07.420 --> 00:45:09.700 that ability there and then at the cell level? 00:45:09.700 --> 00:45:12.180 - I have to use them in moderation. 00:45:12.180 --> 00:45:16.720 - Okay, so I just wanna kind of get my head around the, 00:45:16.720 --> 00:45:20.680 'cause I frequently drunk half a gallon of orange juice a day, 00:45:20.680 --> 00:45:23.300 I mean, for months and months all through the summertime 00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:25.800 for sure, especially when I'm working. 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:32.820 So given that that is a pretty good source of vitamin C, 00:45:33.540 --> 00:45:36.180 I'm obviously not consuming any PUFA at the same time 00:45:36.180 --> 00:45:39.020 because I kind of live on milk and orange juice 00:45:39.020 --> 00:45:40.280 during the summer months especially, 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.280 but you say in moderation to have this, 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.980 you're talking about having this spread out over time 00:45:48.980 --> 00:45:52.300 because I do, sometimes I get into a spake 00:45:52.300 --> 00:45:53.300 where I drink in orange juice, 00:45:53.300 --> 00:45:56.300 I'll almost drink a half a gallon in one go sometimes. 00:45:56.300 --> 00:46:00.340 You're saying just the moderation side of it 00:46:00.340 --> 00:46:01.980 during the day would be a safe enough way 00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:03.060 to get it into the cells 00:46:03.060 --> 00:46:07.240 rather than having any negative effect from it? 00:46:07.240 --> 00:46:13.300 - Yeah, you're getting equally large amounts 00:46:13.300 --> 00:46:16.620 of the other pro-oxidant bioflavonoids. 00:46:16.620 --> 00:46:18.220 - Right, okay. 00:46:18.220 --> 00:46:22.940 - And so they are helping to keep the cell oxidizing, 00:46:22.940 --> 00:46:27.940 but if you take, say, five grams of vitamin C, 00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:33.780 then you get this gigantic surge of reductive energy 00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:39.280 that throws cells in just the opposite direction 00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.280 of turning on the lipophus carcinogenic degenerative process. 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.340 - Right, this is why you recommend orange juice 00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.140 and you're not at all really behind vitamin C as a tablet 00:46:50.140 --> 00:46:52.640 'cause you also say that the manufacturing process 00:46:52.640 --> 00:46:55.340 for this is very, very spurious. 00:46:55.340 --> 00:46:56.540 Yeah, okay. 00:46:57.620 --> 00:46:59.380 - So basically what you're saying, Dr. P, 00:46:59.380 --> 00:47:03.140 is that if you're getting a half a gallon of orange juice, 00:47:03.140 --> 00:47:05.520 you might have quite a lot of vitamin C there, 00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:08.980 but it's also balanced by the bioflavonoids, 00:47:08.980 --> 00:47:11.900 the naringenin and the quercetin 00:47:11.900 --> 00:47:15.020 and the other antioxidants that are in the orange juice, 00:47:15.020 --> 00:47:16.220 so it doesn't cause a problem, 00:47:16.220 --> 00:47:20.740 the vitamin C is balanced and in the right ratio 00:47:20.740 --> 00:47:22.340 with the other nutrients. 00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:23.460 - Yeah, yeah. 00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:27.760 - So would you condone the use of citrus bioflavonoids 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:29.460 because they've been around for a while now 00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:30.820 and I've looked at them in the past 00:47:30.820 --> 00:47:34.020 and I've wondered what's a bit. 00:47:34.020 --> 00:47:35.880 - In the purified form, 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:41.940 some of those can be reductants, I say why, 00:47:41.940 --> 00:47:44.020 and excess of vitamin C can. 00:47:44.020 --> 00:47:48.740 - All right, so it's probably more a case 00:47:48.740 --> 00:47:52.700 of getting whole plant sources 00:47:52.700 --> 00:47:55.500 rather than purified bioflavonoids. 00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:58.900 - Yeah, I think one bioflavonoid probably 00:47:58.900 --> 00:48:05.080 intensifies and works with the system in the same fruit. 00:48:05.080 --> 00:48:07.780 - Interesting, okay. 00:48:07.780 --> 00:48:10.320 - So we had a caller that had really bad reception, 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.200 so he relayed to me, he wanted me to ask you, 00:48:13.200 --> 00:48:15.820 why do you think that cow milk is okay for humans 00:48:15.820 --> 00:48:18.140 since we're the only species that drinks 00:48:18.140 --> 00:48:20.460 another species milk after being weaned? 00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:24.780 - Yeah, that's a very, very Southern Humboldt question, 00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:26.540 I think, I don't know if the person came 00:48:26.540 --> 00:48:30.580 from Southern Humboldt or not, but Dr. Peat. 00:48:30.580 --> 00:48:32.580 - What was the first part of the question? 00:48:32.580 --> 00:48:34.680 - The first part of the question was relating to milk 00:48:34.680 --> 00:48:37.340 and why is it that we're the only species 00:48:37.340 --> 00:48:39.180 that drink another animal's milk? 00:48:39.180 --> 00:48:42.820 If it was so good, other animals would be drinking milk 00:48:42.820 --> 00:48:45.260 and we're the only ones that do. 00:48:45.260 --> 00:48:48.980 I think that was the thrust of the question, wasn't it? 00:48:48.980 --> 00:48:49.820 Yeah. 00:48:53.380 --> 00:48:57.780 I think it has to do with the size of our brain 00:48:57.780 --> 00:48:58.800 and our culture. 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:04.740 We have evolved on a high fruit diet, 00:49:04.740 --> 00:49:09.660 high carbohydrate diet, and in that diet, 00:49:09.660 --> 00:49:15.580 a very high calcium intake happens to be sort of synergizing 00:49:15.580 --> 00:49:20.660 with the other factors in the diet 00:49:20.660 --> 00:49:24.340 to optimize brain function. 00:49:24.340 --> 00:49:30.580 - Okay, so can I ask you about vitamin E's 00:49:30.580 --> 00:49:32.620 protective antioxidant role? 00:49:32.620 --> 00:49:34.340 Because I know I've read a few articles 00:49:34.340 --> 00:49:37.040 that were talking about vitamin E offsetting, 00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:41.960 mitigating some of the effects of these N-minus 3 and 6s 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.500 and that formation of lipofuscin. 00:49:44.500 --> 00:49:47.980 But some authors seem to suggest that really, 00:49:47.980 --> 00:49:50.500 we have to take large amounts of vitamin C 00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:52.380 to have a beneficial effect. 00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:56.580 But what have you seen from any kind of standpoint 00:49:56.580 --> 00:49:58.680 of scientific experiment? 00:49:58.680 --> 00:50:04.660 - The definition of vitamin E has changed radically 00:50:04.660 --> 00:50:11.340 since the first studies in the 1920s and '30s. 00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:15.340 It was originally thought of as a fertility-extending 00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:22.340 anti-estrogen chemical, but then as the toxic effects 00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:32.620 of unsaturated fats became identified, 00:50:32.620 --> 00:50:38.940 vitamin E lost its anti-estrogen clot preventing, 00:50:42.460 --> 00:50:47.460 heart preventing mystique and was shifted over 00:50:47.460 --> 00:50:54.500 to nothing but an antioxidant in the 1940s. 00:50:54.500 --> 00:50:59.820 It lost all of its hormonal benefits 00:50:59.820 --> 00:51:05.900 to the public knowledge and became only an antioxidant. 00:51:05.900 --> 00:51:11.980 But that has now changed back. 00:51:11.980 --> 00:51:15.420 And so it's coming to be recognised again 00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:20.420 that it's an anti-inflammatory estrogen-regulating substance. 00:51:20.420 --> 00:51:26.660 - What kind of dose would you recommend daily 00:51:26.660 --> 00:51:29.940 for someone to use as a supplemental form of vitamin E 00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:31.580 just to get this antioxidant effect? 00:51:31.580 --> 00:51:34.940 And what is those, 'cause a mix took off rules 00:51:34.940 --> 00:51:39.940 have been a kind of advertising campaign for some time 00:51:40.820 --> 00:51:42.880 in terms of listing exactly what took off rules 00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:44.220 are present and-- 00:51:44.220 --> 00:51:46.980 - Something like 20 or 30 milligrams. 00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.580 - 20 to 30, okay, interesting, all right. 00:51:50.580 --> 00:51:53.580 - And how many, sorry, Dr. E, 20 to 30 milligrams, 00:51:53.580 --> 00:51:57.600 how does that compare to the international units? 00:51:57.600 --> 00:52:02.260 - Oh, now it's used instead of international units. 00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:05.780 - So what would be the comparison? 00:52:05.780 --> 00:52:08.640 Would it be like 100 IU or? 00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:13.860 - Yeah, the language has simply changed. 00:52:13.860 --> 00:52:21.060 You can talk about the different forms 00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:26.740 in terms of milligrams, and it's recognised 00:52:26.740 --> 00:52:30.700 that they have their value as vitamin E 00:52:30.700 --> 00:52:37.120 regardless of their antioxidant properties. 00:52:39.540 --> 00:52:43.940 - Okay, but what would be the 20 to 30 milligrams a day 00:52:43.940 --> 00:52:47.580 is what you would say would be a good supplement dose 00:52:47.580 --> 00:52:48.860 of vitamin E. 00:52:48.860 --> 00:52:50.740 How would that relate if someone has a product 00:52:50.740 --> 00:52:52.360 that is in international units? 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.740 - Has a what? 00:52:54.740 --> 00:52:58.020 - Some of these vitamin E products 00:52:58.020 --> 00:53:03.020 are in international units, like they'll say 200 IU or 400 IU. 00:53:03.020 --> 00:53:06.660 So how would the 20, what's the equivalent? 00:53:06.660 --> 00:53:09.780 - Well, sometimes they're still talking in terms 00:53:09.780 --> 00:53:12.300 of the antioxidant value 00:53:12.300 --> 00:53:17.300 or the D alpha tocopherol concentration. 00:53:17.300 --> 00:53:23.260 For about 20 years, you could only refer 00:53:23.260 --> 00:53:29.260 to D alpha tocopherol as vitamin E potency. 00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:32.140 - And not the gamma and the delta 00:53:32.140 --> 00:53:34.780 and the other mixed tocopherols. 00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:39.780 They had to be overlooked, but now that effect is disappearing. 00:53:39.780 --> 00:53:43.260 - Okay, so when you state 20 to 30 milligrams, 00:53:43.260 --> 00:53:46.780 you're stating 20 to 30 milligrams of a mixed tocopherol. 00:53:46.780 --> 00:53:47.620 - Yeah. 00:53:47.620 --> 00:53:50.500 - Okay, thank you. 00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:55.100 - Okay, I know you said in the past, oh, look out, is there? 00:53:55.100 --> 00:53:59.740 - I wanted to give a brief public service announcement here. 00:53:59.740 --> 00:54:02.380 Please, a caller was quite upset 00:54:02.380 --> 00:54:05.580 that there's a couple of goats in the middle of the road 00:54:05.580 --> 00:54:06.420 by the airport. 00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:07.940 She said they're in the middle of the road 00:54:07.940 --> 00:54:10.700 and it's getting dark and she just wanted anybody, 00:54:10.700 --> 00:54:12.420 they belong to anybody, that's where they are. 00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:14.420 They're by the airport on Sproul Creek Road, 00:54:14.420 --> 00:54:16.300 two black and white goats. 00:54:16.300 --> 00:54:17.380 There you go, thank you so much. 00:54:17.380 --> 00:54:21.500 - Thank you, all right, very lastly, Dr. P, 00:54:21.500 --> 00:54:24.020 I do appreciate you soldiering on through this. 00:54:24.020 --> 00:54:26.100 I can tell your voice is giving out, 00:54:26.100 --> 00:54:29.500 but just say one last thing about estrogen 00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:32.100 and we'll wrap up the show for the evening. 00:54:33.140 --> 00:54:37.260 You've always talked about estrogen being inflammatory. 00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:38.860 We've had plenty of discussion 00:54:38.860 --> 00:54:41.100 about why estrogen is bad for you 00:54:41.100 --> 00:54:43.060 and how it's counterpart progesterone 00:54:43.060 --> 00:54:47.180 is the anti-inflammatory molecule, especially for women. 00:54:47.180 --> 00:54:50.220 But estrogen's inflammatory nature, 00:54:50.220 --> 00:54:53.500 in terms of its effect on the N minus three and sixes 00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:55.660 and lipophishkin's formation, 00:54:55.660 --> 00:54:57.980 it's equivocal, correct? 00:54:59.980 --> 00:55:04.060 In terms of the destructive effects of estrogen? 00:55:04.060 --> 00:55:09.060 - Yes, so you can treat all of these things 00:55:09.060 --> 00:55:16.380 as synergizing either beneficial factors or harmful factors. 00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:24.460 The amount of PUFA, the amount of ionising radiation, 00:55:24.460 --> 00:55:27.460 the exposure to heavy metals 00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:33.860 and each of the components is at least additive 00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:35.660 to the others. 00:55:35.660 --> 00:55:41.900 And so if you do something to oppose 00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:47.060 any one of those, reducing inflammation, 00:55:47.060 --> 00:55:50.480 you're going to reduce estrogen exposure, 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.100 rate of aging and so on. 00:55:54.700 --> 00:55:59.700 Tissue fibrosis and inflammation, degeneration, 00:55:59.700 --> 00:56:05.380 aging and cancer, all of these can be alleviated 00:56:05.380 --> 00:56:11.340 by simple, natural anti-inflammatory things, 00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:17.620 including carbon dioxide, progesterone, 00:56:17.620 --> 00:56:20.180 thyroid function and so on. 00:56:20.180 --> 00:56:22.180 - Okay, well thank you very much. 00:56:22.180 --> 00:56:23.580 Let's hold it there, Dr. Pierre. 00:56:23.580 --> 00:56:25.020 I'll give out your information 00:56:25.020 --> 00:56:26.420 and thanks so much for joining us. 00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:28.220 - Okay, thank you. 00:56:28.220 --> 00:56:29.060 - Okay, so Dr. Peat-- 00:56:29.060 --> 00:56:29.900 - Thank you, Dr. Peat. 00:56:29.900 --> 00:56:34.900 - Dr. Peat can be found online at www.raypeat.com 00:56:34.900 --> 00:56:41.660 and we can be found online, westernbotanicalmedicine.com. 00:56:41.660 --> 00:56:44.100 I think what I wanted to bring out from the show 00:56:44.100 --> 00:56:49.100 was that the whole concept of these polyunsaturated fatty 00:56:49.100 --> 00:56:52.460 acids from many different sources 00:56:52.460 --> 00:56:55.540 of which some are touted as being health beneficial 00:56:55.540 --> 00:56:59.220 and good for us, or they call them cholesterol lowering 00:56:59.220 --> 00:57:02.900 or blood pressure lowering, many, many cases, 00:57:02.900 --> 00:57:06.260 this is completely erroneous and not just that, 00:57:06.260 --> 00:57:09.060 but that there is actually something that we can do 00:57:09.060 --> 00:57:14.060 to mitigate the absorption and the permanence 00:57:14.060 --> 00:57:15.780 of these things. 00:57:15.780 --> 00:57:17.660 I wasn't even aware that some of these, 00:57:17.660 --> 00:57:19.900 this lipofuscin can be soluble. 00:57:19.900 --> 00:57:22.180 I thought it just formed into these complexes 00:57:22.180 --> 00:57:25.500 fairly rapidly under the presence of iron, 00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:28.660 cations or aluminum or zinc or other cations 00:57:28.660 --> 00:57:31.020 with the heat that we have in our body 00:57:31.020 --> 00:57:33.300 that they rapidly get converted 00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:35.780 into fairly insoluble products, but that's not the case. 00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:38.860 So definitely a good cause for those people listening out 00:57:38.860 --> 00:57:41.100 there from a herb perspective and it's something 00:57:41.100 --> 00:57:43.420 that they've always done in Europe for a long time. 00:57:43.420 --> 00:57:48.420 Digestive bidders, hepatic stimulants, laxatives, 00:57:48.500 --> 00:57:52.380 all of these things will certainly be beneficial 00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:56.220 and actually be a very good mitigating strategy, 00:57:56.220 --> 00:57:58.660 especially for people who've just found this information out 00:57:58.660 --> 00:58:02.900 and want to start switching their fat sources to saturated. 00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:05.580 The people that still think that fish oil is good for you, 00:58:05.580 --> 00:58:08.940 having listened to this show, I don't know how you can, 00:58:08.940 --> 00:58:11.540 it's not true and it's definitely a lie 00:58:11.540 --> 00:58:16.540 and it's an industry fighting to maintain a huge hold 00:58:17.780 --> 00:58:20.780 on a multi-billion dollar industry. 00:58:20.780 --> 00:58:22.580 So yeah, there's things that can be done 00:58:22.580 --> 00:58:27.100 and stimulants, hepatic stimulants and bitters 00:58:27.100 --> 00:58:28.980 and aperitifs and all of these things 00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:31.580 that will improve your liver function 00:58:31.580 --> 00:58:35.100 and clearance of waste as well as your bowel function 00:58:35.100 --> 00:58:38.420 and preventing constipation will definitely have a bearing 00:58:38.420 --> 00:58:42.180 on you not absorbing these things by the same degree 00:58:42.180 --> 00:58:44.820 and so therefore it can only be beneficial. 00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:48.540 Anyway, so until the third Friday of next month, 00:58:48.540 --> 00:58:51.420 hopefully Dr. Peat's voice is better 00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:53.940 and the wildfires have calmed down. 00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:55.220 I'm not too sure how that works 00:58:55.220 --> 00:58:57.100 because they do tend to burn on for the whole summer 00:58:57.100 --> 00:58:59.580 but without being negative on that. 00:58:59.580 --> 00:59:02.220 I wish all of you a very good summer 00:59:02.220 --> 00:59:05.820 and until the third Friday of next month, 00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:07.060 my name is Andrew Murray. 00:59:07.060 --> 00:59:09.580 - My name's Sarah Johannesen Murray. 00:59:09.580 --> 00:59:11.900 Thank you very much for listening and joining the show. 00:59:11.900 --> 00:59:12.740 - Thank you. 00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:17.400 (upbeat music) 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:21.260 - Okay, just one more time. 00:59:21.260 --> 00:59:23.940 We wanna remind folks that there are two goats 00:59:23.940 --> 00:59:26.500 right near the airport on Sproul Creek Road, 00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:29.740 black and white and they're in the middle of the road. 00:59:29.740 --> 00:59:31.500 So if those are your goats, that's where they are. 00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:32.340 Check 'em out. 00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:34.060 Make sure your goats are where they're supposed to be. 00:59:34.060 --> 00:59:36.640 (upbeat music) 00:59:44.820 --> 00:59:47.400 (upbeat music)