WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:15.000 [Music] 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:18.000 Hello and welcome to Primitive Initiative Podcast. 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.000 Today our guest is Dr. Ray Peat. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.000 We'll be talking about his origins, Lamarck, 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.000 novel events, radiation, plus some question and answers. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:31.000 Hello. 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:33.000 Hello, Dr. Peat. This is Ozan. 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:34.000 Yes, hi. 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:35.000 How are you? 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:36.000 Very good. 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.000 Great. Well, it's an honor to speak to you, 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.000 and you've just helped so many of my friends and family 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.000 that this is going to be a great opportunity 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:45.000 to get some of their questions answered 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.000 and some of my questions answered. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.000 Initially, I just kind of wanted to start out 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.000 with you giving your history and background a little bit 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:55.000 for those people who might be new to your work. 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.000 A lot of the people who will be listening 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.000 will be quite familiar. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.000 But just in case, I want them to kind of have an idea 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:06.000 of who you are and how you came to be the person that you are. 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.000 Okay. 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:18.000 In my scenes, I was interested in painting, 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:24.000 and in college I extended that interest to literature 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:32.000 and got extremely very interested in literature 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:38.000 as a way of understanding human consciousness and history. 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:49.000 And so, several years of working in painting 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:55.000 directed my attention to the process of perception 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:04.000 and empiricism, the process of understanding a subject 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:10.000 so that you can represent not just like a snapshot, 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:16.000 but the implications of a thing in its setting 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:24.000 and literature was another way of getting that same kind of knowledge. 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.000 And I was interested in the sciences, 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:34.000 but this was in the late '40s and '50s. 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:41.000 And at that time, science, biology, 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:46.000 was in an extremely dogmatic condition. 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:53.000 Historians of science don't represent what was going on very well. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:58.000 But after the Second World War, 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:05.000 there was basically a purge in the sciences. 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:12.000 In 1947, for example, all of the remaining 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Lamarckian biology teachers in universities and high schools 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.000 lost their jobs. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:31.000 Linus Pauling was involved because one of his students and friends 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:39.000 worked at the Oregon State University teaching biology. 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:46.000 And he was fired because he published a little statement 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:55.000 confirming that there was scientific value in some of the Lamarckian studies. 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:02.000 And as a result, Linus Pauling wouldn't have visited his alma mater 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:09.000 for conferences or anything for more than 15 years after that event. 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:14.000 So it was something that really was in the culture, 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:19.000 but it just didn't get into our history books as something that happened. 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:29.000 But I recognized that biology had become totally dogmatic by the late '40s. 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:34.000 And so even though that was a major part of my interest 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:38.000 in understanding how perception works 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:44.000 and how the organism interacts with the world 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:50.000 and everything that does understanding history 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.000 and intending new things and so on, 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:59.000 I decided against studying biology academically 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:03.000 because of that extreme dogmatism. 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:09.000 So I found more empiricism in literature and painting. 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:19.000 And it happened that I began studying linguistics 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:28.000 as an area that I thought could use scientific principles 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:34.000 to get at everything that language does. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:39.000 And so I went to graduate school to work on a PhD in linguistics. 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:44.000 And at the same time, I got a job at a college 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:50.000 that assigned me to teach an introductory biology course 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:59.000 intended for -- well, introductory physics intended for biology majors. 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:07.000 And so that was relevant to my interest, 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:12.000 but I was doing it at the same time as studying linguistics 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:19.000 and so thinking about how science can be applied to language in the mind 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:25.000 and how physics is relevant to the study of biology. 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:36.000 And seeing, at that time, a teaching job was 1959 to '60. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:43.000 And at that time, the world of physics had been also taken over 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:51.000 by dogmatic people who denied that there were interactions, basically, 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:57.000 between ionizing radiation and organisms. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:01.000 The atom bombs were being tested, 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:06.000 and the government didn't want interference with bomb testing. 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:16.000 And so they revised and classified and hid all of the relevant evidence 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:23.000 about the harm that X-rays and nuclear radiation from fallout 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.000 thought it was actually doing. 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:33.000 And so I thought that even in something that should require 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:38.000 absolute empiricism, nuclear physics, 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:42.000 that the science was being censored 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.000 and shut down and redirected right around that time. 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.000 A little later than that, John Gosman, 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.000 who was a major apologist for the government, 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:05.000 he was the pioneer in studying cholesterol and atherosclerosis, 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:13.000 and he was involved in identifying nuclear isotopes. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:20.000 So he was an insider in both physics and medical biology. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:26.000 And he was the government's mouthpiece for saying that radiation, 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:35.000 we don't know that radiation will damage future generations or cause epidemics 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:38.000 of cancer and dementia and so on. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:42.000 So we shouldn't interfere with bomb testing 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:46.000 and similar arguments from being made. 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:53.000 We don't know that X-ray pregnant women will cause leukemia in babies, 00:08:53.000 --> 00:09:02.000 so don't interfere with the useful X-ray procedures. 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:13.000 So the precautionary principle was considered the greatest evil for science. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:24.000 All of those influences made me realize that education had to be freed 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:30.000 from those pressures if the government says you can't teach 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.000 or even consider Lamarckian biology 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:39.000 or the dangers of radiation on the organism. 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:47.000 Then I decided that it would be possible to create a new kind of college 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:54.000 in which teachers and students didn't depend on trustees 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.000 and established institutions. 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:05.000 So I went to Mexico and started a college basically 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:14.000 for American students, but both Mexicans and Americans, students participated. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:24.000 And after doing that for several years and then I decided that I really needed access 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:34.000 to laboratory equipment to proceed with my interests in both linguistics 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:42.000 and other parts of biology because linguistics rests on brain function. 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:46.000 Brain function rests on cell metabolism. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:56.000 And so to advance, I decided that I would study for a biology degree, 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:03.000 PhD, concentrating on brain research. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:08.000 So I enrolled at the University of Oregon in 1968 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:18.000 and immediately found that both cell biology was continuing down this dogmatic line 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:27.000 of the idea that genes determine the organism that they are the brains of the cell. 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:36.000 And the brain biology professors were the worst of the dogmatists. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:42.000 So I looked around and found the other end of the organism, 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:48.000 the reproductive process starting from single cells 00:11:48.000 --> 00:12:01.000 and forces involved in developing a full organism and brain from a single cell. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:07.000 So it was a way of looking at the whole picture of what I wanted to understand. 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:15.000 And this happened that the least dogmatism in the whole science area 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.000 happened to be in reproductive biology. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:25.000 It was a very low status area of the department. 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:37.000 And so I did my dissertation on the metabolic oxidative changes occurring with aging 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:43.000 in the reproductive system, especially the female system. 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:57.000 And that put me in the position of knowing useful things about endocrine system 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:02.000 interacting with the environment, nutrition, and so on. 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:07.000 And that led to doing nutritional counseling, 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:15.000 which I've continued more or less for 50 years since then. 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.000 That's amazing information. 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.000 I think everything that you said is so applicable to today 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.000 because there's so many forces putting roadblocks for people 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.000 from going in the direction that they want to go with their research 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.000 and their pursuit for truth. 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:35.000 But I think, as you said, when there's a roadblock presented to you, 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.000 you just got to find a different avenue to communicate what you want to communicate. 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.000 Because when you look at the body as a whole, 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:46.000 you can find multiple areas to say what you want to say. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:50.000 You don't have to look at it in the specialty model that we have today 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.000 where you've got to go to the ear, nose, and throat 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.000 if there's something wrong with your nose and throat. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.000 It's much better to look at it, like you mentioned, in a holistic approach, 00:13:59.000 --> 00:14:01.000 kind of the Lamarckian theory of evolution 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.000 where you consider everything that surrounds the organism, 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000 and it seems like everything today is trying to go against, 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:13.000 or the current paradigm, even discussing how much impact the environment has 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.000 on the development and performance of an organism. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.000 It's kind of frustrating. 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.000 So in terms of that, how did you stay motivated 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:28.000 throughout all of your ventures that you went through, 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:35.000 seeing how much the truth bluntly was trying to be quieted out? 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.000 How did you stay motivated? 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.000 Because similar things are happening right now, 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:43.000 and it seems like people are being kept under immense stress, 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:47.000 somewhat intentionally, so that we can't be more productive, 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:51.000 or at least it's harder to be more productive as a society. 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:59.000 Yeah, a lot of people are thinking that these are just new events, 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.000 the horrible things that are happening, 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:11.000 like the lockdown and basically the destruction of the world economy 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:19.000 on the basis of a theory of a virus. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:24.000 I've been seeing it coming since the late '40s 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:34.000 when I was aware of how the government was creating a fraudulent science. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:42.000 So it's something that I've really been dreading 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:48.000 and trying to get people interested in over the years. 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:58.000 In the late '60s, I was already saying that the basic process 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:03.000 is turning the U.S. into a third world nation, 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:09.000 and that was a hard idea to communicate. 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:16.000 But just the last year, millions of people are starting to realize 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:20.000 when thousands and thousands of small businesses 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.000 are being deliberately destroyed, 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:35.000 just so that the monopolies and oligarchs can increase their wealth a hundredfold. 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:41.000 Yes, it seems like they have hoarded all the resources to counteract any opposition 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:45.000 and any movement from the ground up. 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:47.000 They are bent on destroying it. 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:53.000 So it's quite unfortunate that they have so many resources that they can utilize. 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:58.000 And when people like yourself try to write articles about the truth 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:03.000 and do interviews, it doesn't get nearly as much recognition as it should 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.000 because it has the power to change the world. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:13.000 Yes, the indoctrination has done its work. 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:21.000 Yesterday, I heard a doctor talking on a video on Mercola's website, 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.000 Lee Merritt, what's her name? 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:31.000 She mentioned that a survey of the young generation, 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:36.000 I think it was called the Millennial Generation, 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:46.000 they asked how many of their generation they figured would die from the COVID pandemic. 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:51.000 And the consensus was about 2%. 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:59.000 And she pointed out that that is 10,000 times higher than the actual mortality rate 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.000 that the actual figures show. 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:12.000 And everywhere, the newspapers, television, most of the websites 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:17.000 are promoting the idea that something very unique happened, 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:33.000 but her figures show that typically a serious influenza epidemic will kill such a tiny percent 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:40.000 of the survivors that your likelihood of not being killed by an influenza epidemic 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:54.000 are 99.99%, and she said the difference with the worst interpretation of the COVID epidemic 00:18:54.000 --> 00:19:08.000 is that your chances of surviving are one thousandth of a percent less than surviving a flu epidemic. 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:16.000 So it's essentially identical risk to an ordinary, every year influenza season. 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.000 Right. 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.000 It's interesting because the question gets brought up. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:24.000 Has this even been completely isolated? 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Does it meet all of Coke's postulates? 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.000 Or is there something else happening? 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:32.000 Is there some other substance that could be causing something out of the ordinary, 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:35.000 even though the numbers don't really account for something out of the ordinary? 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:48.000 Yeah, there was a tremendous campaign in 2019 to get old people to vaccinate with the influenza vaccine. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:59.000 And the saturation in the U.S. and Italy was especially high, huge campaigns especially among old people. 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:09.000 And I think it was eight or ten different studies, including a very big study done by the Pentagon, 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:17.000 looked at the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine in recent years. 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:29.000 And the following year they saw that it did produce a fairly small decrease in influenza infections. 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:51.000 But the people who were vaccinated for influenza had a much greater, on the order of tens of percent, thirty percent to sixty percent, greater risk of catching the coronavirus infection. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:21:04.000 So the campaign to vaccinate for influenza was a major factor in increasing coronavirus infections. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:19.000 In previous years, several years previously, there had been small studies testing what was causing the wintertime respiratory hospitalizations. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:35.000 And they found roughly similar numbers, around ten to fifteen percent of the hospital pneumonia cases caused by influenza virus, a similar percent by a coronavirus. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:52.000 And the respiratory syncytial virus was a slightly higher percentage, I think. And about half of the cases, they couldn't find a viral or bacterial cause. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:22:05.000 So the general sickness and old age apparently were the greatest cause of the seasonal so-called flu problem. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:19.000 Right. Do you think these viral phenomena, or at least their severity, would be decreased if vaccines weren't such a priority? 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:41.000 Yeah, those studies, very consistent results, showed that just the influenza virus alone tremendously increased the risk of, in particular, the coronavirus, a similar respiratory infection. 00:22:41.000 --> 00:23:00.000 But it was undoubtedly a general infection, a defect upon the immune resistance that couldn't have been something limited to the coronavirus. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:10.000 But it was probably increasing your susceptibility to many other diseases, not just coronavirus. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:39.000 It isn't just the influenza vaccination that's being pushed so heavily. That's probably the biggest one. But the shingles, the chickenpox vaccine, as the vaccination of children for chickenpox increased the hospitalization and even mortality from shingles. 00:23:39.000 --> 00:24:01.000 The virus in old people increased as if it looked like something more than a coincidence that there was probably a perversion of the chickenpox virus getting loose into the population. 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:25.000 In Africa, the polio virus has definitely decreased the wild-type polio paralysis, but meanwhile it has created epidemics of the new strain of virus that got loose from the vaccine itself. 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:39.000 Yes, yep, I was reading upon that and all the conflicting information. First it was Bill Gates successfully eradicates it, and then later on they report on now the outbreak of the vaccine strain. 00:24:39.000 --> 00:25:03.000 And about 100 years ago, more than 100 years ago, people started noticing that the act of injecting vaccines in particular seemed to correspond to a paralysis developing later. 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:23.000 And the appearance of paralytic polio happened in the 19th century, and the hypodermic needle wasn't intended until the early 19th century or late 18th century. 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:39.000 So it became a popular medical tool to inject stuff, and during the 19th century, epidemics of paralytic polio started being reported. 00:25:39.000 --> 00:26:07.000 And then around 1915 to 1920, people were in a very organized way. They were seeing that a campaign of vaccination or other intrexions, intramuscular infections, were followed by the polio epidemics. 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:36.000 And over and over that was being reported. And specifically, people were noticing that when the kids were infected in the hip or thigh with the vaccine, the paralysis in that particular limb would be the main feature of the epidemic 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:47.000 if they were infected into the shoulder, armed paralysis would be the main paralytic effect. 00:26:47.000 --> 00:27:12.000 And that was called the -- I forget how to word term, but it was recognized as a polio vaccine paralysis effect, and that was seriously in the scientific literature up until the early 1950s. 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:26.000 And it was still showing a definite correspondence that the particular armored leg that got the injection was the most likely to be paralyzed. 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:46.000 And studies in mice showed exactly the same thing. Intramuscular injection caused local inflammation. Every vaccine creates something like a temporary lymph node to develop. 00:27:46.000 --> 00:28:15.000 The irritation attracts white blood cells, and the nerves monitoring the muscle inflammation transmit up the nerve fiber particles, including any virus that happens to be in that inflamed area to the brain, and white blood cells migrate to the brain from that inflamed area. 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:30.000 And in the mice, they could demonstrate that the reason that limb in particular became paralyzed was because the inflammatory factors had caused brain damage. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:59.000 But that -- the effect of a polio vaccination causing paralytic polio, even though it was confirmed in animals as well as human studies, the propaganda to sell the polio vaccine is a successful preventing factor of the polio epidemics. 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:20.000 That was solved with the Salk and Sabin vaccines, but contemporary experience in Africa is showing exactly the same effect of paralytic polio developing in the armored leg where the injection was given. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:41.000 And if you look at the actual numbers of cases of paralysis in the United States following the successful elimination of polio myelitis by the vaccine, there was no decrease in paralytic disease, but they renamed it. 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:59.000 Kiaenbare's syndrome, for example, and the swine flu vaccine created hundreds of cases of paralysis, but they renamed it Kiaenbare's syndrome rather than polio. 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:08.000 Yeah. I don't know if you're familiar with Thomas Cowan, but he wrote a book called The Changing Nature of, I believe, Childhood Illness. 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:22.000 And in there, he talks about some of the advantages of getting these common measles-type childhood illnesses, chickenpox, and the benefits that they can have later on, on the prevention of cancers, multiple cancers. 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:34.000 And, of course, in a well-nourished environment, and parents who know how to take care of their children, look after them while they're sick, it seems as though there's a benefit to these childhood illnesses. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:53.000 Yeah, activating the immune system in a normal way, and when you catch a virus in the way that the organism usually catches it, the immune system can organize itself properly. 00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:04.000 But being injected into the center of a muscle is definitely not anything the immune system ever historically experienced. 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:25.000 It was always catching infections from something you ate or inhaled or got scratched into your skin, and if you rub a material into the skin, that's a safe way to administer a vaccine. 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:51.000 In the 18th century, one person somehow devised the method of giving smallpox material, intradermally, carefully, putting it in the skin, not under the skin, and had 100% success and no sickness involved. 00:31:51.000 --> 00:32:06.000 And a few practitioners have continued advocating intradermal or friction vaccination as the most biologically effective. 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.000 Would that require an adjuvant, or would it? 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:18.000 No, no. The rubbing itself, the irritation of rubbing it in is enough of an adjuvant. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:34.000 I see. Once again, referring back to that book, The Changing Nature of Childhood Illness, he talks about these dens and areas where mothers would intentionally have their children get the measles or whatever it be so that they can get over it at a young age. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:44.000 Do you suppose this was an actual virus that these kids were transmitting to one another, or is it something endogenous, some sort of signaling, like exosomes, let's say? 00:32:44.000 --> 00:33:05.000 Well, when I was in graduate school and the DNA mania was at its peak, I asked a few people around the department how they thought viruses originated. 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:28.000 And no one would even talk about it. It was just a completely taboo subject because viruses are very complex systems that can only live within a nucleated cell of a much more highly involved organism. 00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:40.000 So the explanation for how they came into existence, no one would talk about it in 1968 to '70. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:34:00.000 But in the '60s, a Korean wrote several papers on his observations with a particular blue stain and a good microscope. 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:28.000 He could show that there were particles circulating in the system that was parallel to the lymphatic system, no blood cells in it, but apparently capillary-like vessels in which these microscopic particles circulated. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:34.000 And he showed that they contained nucleic acids and proteins. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:45.000 And he called this the third circulatory system and proposed that it was involved in healing, communicating between cells. 00:34:45.000 --> 00:35:01.000 And that book was translated into English in the 1960s and circulated among Oriental medical doctors specializing in acupuncture. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:27.000 They believed that they were helping to redirect the flow of these internal repair particles. And it was only almost 50 years later that someone using electron microscopes decided to look in the blood plasma itself in the background 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:47.000 of what they had considered just random dirt or dust. And if they looked at it with a good electron microscope, they found that they were highly organized microvesicles, which came to be called exosomes. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:36:16.000 And now in the last 10 years, there's a huge amount of study going on. This is one of the great new excitements in biology, the discovery that a stressed tissue emits large amounts of these exosomes containing genetic information, DNA and RNA and proteins. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:28.000 And that they communicate so that an injured lung cell emits particles that are picked up by the bone marrow cells. 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:49.000 And the bone marrow cells respond by making essentially white blood cells that will hone in on the injured area of the lung carrying the necessary repair or healing information. 00:36:49.000 --> 00:37:15.000 And these vesicles have been proven to be taken up by the gametes in the gonads, which is reminiscent of how Charles Darwin believed the inheritance of acquired characteristics that has been censored out of Darwinism. 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:41.000 People believe that Lamarck was right and that the tissue cells of the body, he said, emitted chemicals that contained heritable information that was sent to the gametes to be cast on so that the experience of the developed organism wouldn't be lost. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:38:03.000 These exosomes produced by stressed cells typically have the size and structural features of a virus, such as the coronavirus. 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:17.000 Very similar particle manufactured inside the cell by the same protein systems and emitted in the same way into the bloodstream. 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:43.000 So there are people who argue that the origin of viruses is really just getting the wrong exosomes at the wrong time and place where there are healing repair factors within a person's or organism's own body. 00:38:43.000 --> 00:39:04.000 If they escape and are taken up under the wrong conditions, then they can create a disease that under normal conditions, they are available as repair and healing factor. 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:21.000 So the close association of organisms by that view can share healing information across organisms rather than sharing sickness information in form of viruses. 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:45.000 The healing information would be transmitted exactly the same through error or direct physical contact, but they would be useful under the right circumstances, which would mean good nutrition and, in general, low stress conditions. 00:39:45.000 --> 00:40:03.000 Sure. Do you have any thoughts on what happened to the Native Americans when they were exposed to these type of suppose it pathogens, why they were so susceptible to things like smallpox, or is there some sort of propaganda going on there? 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:28.000 Oh, I think there probably was a greater susceptibility because of their isolation from other populations for something like 10,000, maybe 40,000 years on the continent. 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:35.000 That might have created a special sensitivity. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:46.000 I see. So this enrichment of the environment, not only with good air, good water, and good food, but also diversity and social interaction seems like an important thing. 00:40:46.000 --> 00:41:02.000 Yeah. And the change was made by environmental enrichment. That's an area that is now being better studied in animals. 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:22.000 The structure and function of the brain and the immune system are especially sensitive to the quality of the environment, where research had been done on rats, kept in boxes, horrible, stressful persons. 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:41.000 The difference between a rat in a box versus a rat with playgrounds and friends and attempts to have privacy as well as socialization, a tremendous difference. 00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:51.000 The brain is bigger. They're more intelligent, resistant to all sorts of stresses. Obviously, that applies to humans. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:59.000 Yeah. Well, I just want to take this opportunity real quick, since we're talking about viruses and coronavirus, to say that you have a great newsletter. 00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:10.000 A lot of them are for free on RayPeat.com. And people can also sign up on raypeatsnewsletter@gmail.com, correct? 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:23.000 And there they will get bimonthly newsletters from you and amazing content like the novel flu, the one that you had sent out previously was just great. 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:31.000 And it summarizes a lot of what we talk about now and some things that we haven't covered, but I highly encourage people to sign up for that. 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:42.000 And also, peruse through not only Ray's articles, but also his books that can, I believe, also be purchased through raypeatsnewsletter@gmail.com. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:52.000 Talking about the environment, I kind of want to get into a topic that is going along with a lot of what's happening right now. 00:42:52.000 --> 00:43:01.000 And that's the increasing level of electromagnetic pollution, not only from radio frequencies, but also magnetic and electric fields. 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:11.000 It seems like we're increasingly being bombarded, and I just don't see any way in which the body cannot respond to such an altered environment. 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:21.000 In your opinion, or in your research, do you see a great cause for concern with the ever increasing electrical pollution around us? 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:37.000 Yeah, there is a very important book by Robert Becker, The Body Electric, that shows the effects in healing or sickness of very weak fields. 00:43:37.000 --> 00:44:03.000 And that was some of my early research, starting in 1968. I went to Moscow to talk to Yuri Holodov, who had published some articles on the extreme sensitivity of the brain and the reproductive system to magnetic fields. 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:14.000 And he directed me to some existing research, and I did a few experiments. 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:27.000 But Robert Becker spent several years doing very detailed research on regeneration, for example, under the influence of weak fields. 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:38.000 It's very powerful. We are electrical organisms, as well as radiant organisms. 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:50.000 In the 1920s and '30s, there was good research showing ultraviolet emissions stimulating and directing growth. 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:59.000 And at that time, the research mostly was being done with onion, root-tipped cells. 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:11.000 And they demonstrated that a glass that blocked ultraviolet prevented the stimulating effect of one cell on another across the glass. 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:26.000 But if it was transparent to ultraviolet light of particular frequencies, the cell division on one side of the glass stimulated a wave of cell division on the other side. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:39.000 That was part of the empirical biology that was suppressed almost perfectly for 70 years. 00:45:39.000 --> 00:46:05.000 And just recently, several people are bringing back exactly, confirming, but using new technology of sensitive detectors in which they can use a machine to detect exactly which frequency is being emitted by one cell to influence surrounding cells. 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:34.000 There's a website, Gunther Alprecht-Tuller Cell Intelligence, in which she has some pictures showing infrared emissions that can communicate to cells with an external beam of infrared light. 00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:43.000 But the most interesting research, I think, is in the ultraviolet wavelengths. 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:53.000 So do you think that we can use light, like red light, to be able to mitigate some of the effects of these non-native fields? 00:46:53.000 --> 00:47:13.000 Yeah, red light is an essential factor for our environment, experiments with plants, which obviously are well-adaptive to living in sunlight. 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:38.000 Looking at their mitochondria, they filtered out the red light and let the rest of the spectrum through and found that the mitochondria were damaged by the two wavelengths and higher frequencies, blue to ultraviolet, damaged the mitochondria. 00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:57.000 But when they left the light, the full spectrum, including the red wavelengths, there was no damage, showing, in effect, that whatever harm was done by blue and UV was undone or blocked by the red light. 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:26.000 And following up with instrument studies, people demonstrated that if you put a bit of seed tissue, a very stable tissue, in direct sunlight and then put it in an electron spin resonance apparatus, which detects excited electrons, 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:36.000 the machine will show that the electrons stay in an excited state for hours. 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:48.000 The same thing happens with inert tissue, like hair. Hair stores excitation in the melanin. 00:48:48.000 --> 00:49:05.000 The plant tissue was storing it probably in some enzyme systems, but the machine would show continuing electronic excitation fading away over many hours. 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:20.000 But if they, in the dark chamber of the machine, if they briefly exposed that excited tissue to red light, the excitation disappeared immediately. 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:44.000 It was essentially quenching excited, reactive electrons, taking them out of the excited, possibly toxic state, and experiments on whole organisms used a killing dose of gamma rays on frogs. 00:49:44.000 --> 00:50:13.000 They would determine what dose caused the frog to develop radiation sickness, and if the frog was exposed to that killing dose, and within the first hour, if it was given a good solid dose of red light, it experienced no harm. 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:36.000 It didn't die of radiation sickness. So that was done in the 1980s, and despite that clear evidence that radiation is creating a state of the excited electrons which proceed to do the damage, 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:47.000 that indirect or lingering effect of radiation couldn't make it through the dogma of the paradigm. 00:50:47.000 --> 00:51:13.000 The dogma was that the ionizing radiation breaks in an instantaneous reaction, the PNA causing an interference with the cell's control system, totally made up, arbitrary, meaningless doctrine. 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:27.000 And finally now, more than 40 years later, the concept of bystander effect has been established. 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:53.000 The Carmen mother cell is one of the pioneers of this bystander radiation research showing that something excited by the ionizing radiation not only persists in the irradiated cell, 00:51:53.000 --> 00:52:22.000 but leaks out into the environment and spreads, causing exactly the same kind of damage, including breaks in the DNA, supposedly the direct effect of radiation, but the factors that leak out from the excited cell create exactly the same kind of radiation sickness in surrounding cells. 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:31.000 And just the water that the irradiated organism is in will transmit those effects. 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:41.000 One of the agents is the free radical nitric oxide. 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:56.000 I'm going to give you two questions here. It's going to be on the same topic. So if someone, let's say, and I know you usually advise against x-rays for dental procedures, whatever it may be, but let's say somebody was in a tough spot and they found themselves having to do that. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:10.000 Would they want to bathe in red light before or after? Definitely after, getting into the sunlight and/or any bright light that's switching in the red wavelength. 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.000 As soon as possible, right? 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:28.000 Yeah. And these excited states, it happens that hard tissues are very good dose meters for radiation. 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:47.000 You can look at someone's teeth in the pelvic and find out how many dental x-rays they have as kids and teenagers, because those excited electrons are trapped in the crystalline material. 00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:58.000 And heating to a high temperature will release them from the traps, but otherwise they stay trapped in the hard material. 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:14.000 And testing for the emission of photons showing that the cells are in an excited, stressed condition. 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:43.000 30 years after Chernobyl exposure, and I think it was 65 years after Hiroshima exposure, blood tests looking for these excited emissions, photons from the blood cells could distinguish the people who had been exposed in Chernobyl 00:54:43.000 --> 00:55:01.000 or Hiroshima all those years later. And any things will help to reduce that lingering excitement and inflammatory effect, but red light is one of the established factors. 00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:14.000 Do you see any benefit from a lot of these Shuman frequency or amplifying the Earth's own magnetic field type of devices? Some of them are very expensive for whatever reason, and some of them are very cheap. 00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:18.000 Do you see a benefit in having one of those going in your home? 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:37.000 I don't think so. The fields are so weak and so complex. The main problem is that those are drowned out by the incredible level of radiant noise created by industry. 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:48.000 So if somebody was living in a high rise and had Wi-Fi routers and whatever you can imagine surrounding them, what would be their best bet in mitigating that besides moving? 00:55:48.000 --> 00:56:11.000 I think insulation from the technology emissions is the first thing, and getting out into a natural environment 100 miles from a phone tower, if possible, 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:27.000 and just sitting around sleeping on the ground. All those things will let your body start resonating with the Earth and cosmos. 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:38.000 Sure. I tend to say that to people. Instead of spending thousands of dollars on some device that claims to puncture through all of the noise, just find your favorite spot far away. 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.000 Just sit there and be mindful for a little bit. 00:56:42.000 --> 00:57:05.000 In some of my early lab experiments with trying to measure bioelectric fields, I would hook up my detectors, and it was very hard not to get rock music coming in through the detectors. 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:16.000 Nearby radio stations would just absolutely take over all of the normal fields of the organism. 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:31.000 I've heard of some people benefiting from a bed canopy, some sort of metal Faraday cage that also includes the bottom of the bed. So you're almost in a complete Faraday cage. Do you see any harm? 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:37.000 Having that grounded gives it a chance to resonate with the Earth. 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:42.000 Would it be harmful to plug that into a high-rise ground? 00:57:42.000 --> 00:58:11.000 If you could trust that the connection to ground was actual isolated connection to ground, but I'm afraid it would be running parallel to so many other active 60-cycle fields and such that I don't think you'd have a valid grounding effect. 00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:16.000 Then in that scenario, would it be better not to ground it and just let it ride on the exterior? 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.000 That would be my first guess. 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:44.000 There is a neurosurgeon, maybe you've heard about him, his name is Jack Cruz, and he's very into mitigating blue light and non-native EMF. He talks about a phenomenon that he calls jump conduction, basically things like 5G jumping onto metal conductive surfaces, even necklaces or something in your pocket. 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:50.000 Do you see that as a possibility to causing damage to the organism or possibly even starting fires? 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.000 No, not much. 00:58:53.000 --> 00:59:01.000 Speaking of fires, how are you over there in Oregon? Have you been dealing okay with the fires around you? 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:30.000 Yeah, this morning we were without power for 15 hours. Yesterday the sun looked like a marifino cherry, extremely dirty air, visibility of about a block, and the whole Jackson County is on alert for possible evacuation right in the cities. 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:43.000 Ashland and surrounding towns around Salem and very close to Portland, fires are causing evacuations. 00:59:43.000 --> 01:00:02.000 Well, we all hope that you stay safe out there, Dr. Peat. Do you see any evidence that this could be instigated or do you see it as a natural phenomenon? Like geoengineering seems to be on the mouths of many people right now and manipulation of natural phenomenon. Do you see that as a possibility? 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:30.000 Oh, that's primary in my attention. One major factor is that the terrible changes that they've made by damming the rivers, sending California mountain water to the cities to water lawns, cutting down the redwoods, 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:56.000 and deforesting the majority of Oregon and Northern California, that they're creating a perpetual, self-sustaining, dehydrated climate system because the great forests were part of what would cool the area, 01:00:56.000 --> 01:01:21.000 keeping the hot winds out of the area by keeping cooler, dense air sitting there, letting the ocean air in as the water evaporated, accelerating the normal planetary drift from the climate. 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:35.000 Now, a barrier has been created along the west coast, blocking the normal cooling effect of the ocean and turning off the water supply. 01:01:35.000 --> 01:02:00.000 And then there used to be a good system of forest lookouts, but after cutting down so many of the forests, they shut down all of the mountain top lookouts that I knew of were abolished. 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:14.000 So within two or three minutes of a lightning strike starting a fire in the 1950s, everyone would know about it. 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:37.000 I was working in a blister rust crew in the woods, and we would get a notice where a fire had been spotted, and we would rush there to see who could get to the fire to put it out before the smoke jumpers had came in. 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:58.000 But the ability to stop lightning strike fires was very great in the '50s. The smoke jumpers would be right on it and sniff it out before it covered more than 200 square feet. 01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:23.000 And so now, several things have overlapped, but there are probably even forces wanting to start more fires, especially overlapping with the coronavirus. 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:36.000 It fits into their plan of destroying the old economies so that the oligarch, a monopoly economy, can have free reign. 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:44.000 Yeah, it's amazing the amount of assaults they're hitting people with at the same time. 01:03:44.000 --> 01:04:01.000 Do you see any evidence for aerosol spraying? Around the start of the so-called pandemic, I noticed a very decreased amount of streaks in the sky with fluffy clouds like I was used to when I was a child. 01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:14.000 And as the last couple months approached, I saw an increase of these streaks in the sky with strange weather phenomena almost predictably overcast after a certain amount of these streaks. 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:21.000 And I live in a very small town in northern Minnesota, and the airport here is limited in the flights that they use. 01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:28.000 So I'm kind of wondering, is there really something nefarious going on, or are these just natural phenomena from planes? 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:41.000 Oh, every time there's a leak or a declassification, it turns out that there have been nefarious things going on. 01:04:41.000 --> 01:05:01.000 So I think it's sort of gullible of people to assume that there's nothing nefarious going on. But it's just good to keep your mind open to watch what's happening and try to make the best interpretation of it. 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:12.000 Yeah, I agree. After a certain point, people have to start using their own judgment, their own common sense, instead of being told what to do or from the supposed nanny state. 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:39.000 Yeah, natural phenomena can be very surprisingly complex, but it's always good to keep in mind that the government and the corporations have been experimenting on the public and on the weather, continuing dependent on as many weather control projects going all the time. 01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:53.000 Do you see this all as a part of the agenda to, as you mentioned earlier, make the US into resembling a third-old country, and what would be the advantage of that to the wealthy class? 01:05:53.000 --> 01:06:07.000 Because all of these middle-class people in trying normal, comfortable living, they aren't necessary. They're consuming resources. 01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:22.000 And as this middle class has been destroyed over the last six months, the billionaires' wealth has increased by trillions of dollars. 01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:43.000 I've heard recently that Bill Gates' fortune, which had been going up very fast, reached a point of increasing by a billion dollars a day. 01:06:43.000 --> 01:07:01.000 Yeah, it's quite unbelievable. What would be your best advice to the middle working class? I know a lot of people are looking into moving out into getting some farmland and starting their own food operations and just becoming more self-sustaining. Do you see hope in such an avenue? 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:29.000 Yeah, to the extent that it's possible to get control of parcels of farmland that are completely under the power of the giant corporations, but to the extent that you can get some farmable land that's going to be necessary to assure a food supply. 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:56.000 The corporations aren't all interested in maintaining continuous access to food at good price, and small farms and groups getting together to pool their resources so that they can do things on a scale that only the corporations have been able to do. 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:07.000 Instead of small farmers competing against each other, they have to start competing against the giant corporations and cooperating with each other. 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:21.000 Yeah, the options seem to be dwindling. It seems like they're either going to have people coming and making the cities even bigger and more crowded, and then on the opposite end, people are going to be going out and buying property. 01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:29.000 And that middle part that we see right now, the so-called suburbs, doesn't seem like they might last. 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:39.000 Yeah, that's planned elimination of the nuisance of a middle class and small business. 01:08:39.000 --> 01:09:06.000 That was written up as part of the plan for the world, going back more than 10 years. The Rockefeller Foundation report in 2010 outlined four scenarios, all of them seeing artificial intelligence 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:30.000 as the only solution to make that efficient. They had to quickly basically destroy the middle class to put the artificial intelligence immediately to work serving the monopolies. 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:38.000 So do you see yourself continuing to live in the United States, or do you see yourself moving elsewhere? 01:09:38.000 --> 01:10:01.000 Mexico has always seemed like a place of understanding and reasonable behavior. I first went there in 1955 and went back every three years as long as possible. 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:21.000 And it's under the present situation. It's seeming even more desirable despite the fact that it's under more intense pressure from neoliberalism. 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:31.000 It seems to be quite a global phenomenon, unfortunately. Dr. Peat, I have a few more questions for you. How are you doing on time? 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.000 Okay. 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:49.000 So we talked about hair when we were talking about red light and stuff like that. And I had heard you mention in previous interviews how even hair, when it's not attached to your head or considered alive, I guess, even though it would be possibly considered dead. 01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:59.000 But you're saying that it still has selective uptake in its minerals, for example, like potassium and magnesium. That's accurate, right? 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:20.000 Yeah. That selective ion affinity is a property of the substance. It doesn't take energy to maintain it, even though the living cell maintains a higher gradient. 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:37.000 The cell substance itself is what's responsible. And the energy is used to put that substance into its best condition for establishing those gradients. 01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:56.000 So then would it be safe to assume that the rest of the body, since it's alive and made up of cells, would be able to do the same thing? Because I've seen some mixed research on transdermal application of nutrients or minerals like, let's say, magnesium sulfate footpaths. 01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:02.000 So would the body be able to selectively uptake things transdermally in an effective manner? 01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:14.000 Not very well. The skin has a barrier to water and water-soluble things. So you have to soak a very long time. 01:12:14.000 --> 01:12:32.000 When you've been in the ocean for two or three hours, your fingers start getting wrinkled. That's showing that the barrier function is starting to be weakened. 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:53.000 At that point, you do absorb a little bit of magnesium. So a long soaking bath with some baking soda, the carbon dioxide of the baking soda facilitates the absorption of ions like magnesium. 01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:57.000 And would temperature also matter then? 01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:17.000 In a comfortable temperature, yeah, so that you can stand it without too much stress. If it's around 90 degrees, then you can comfortably stay in the water long enough to soak up some of the ions. 01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.000 And the heat would assist in that? 01:13:21.000 --> 01:13:22.000 What would? 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.000 The heat? 01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.000 A little bit, yeah. 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:35.000 Okay, I see. That was just something that I wanted to ask you because I wanted to see how applicable it was from the hair to the rest of the body. 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:40.000 But it makes sense that the skin has that barrier that can kind of go against that. 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:58.000 When speaking of the origin of the universe, I'm going to kind of take it big here. I heard you, I hear you talking about order and energy being essentially united in matter. 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:12.000 So I'm wondering, do you have any theories as to where this blueprint came from or the origin story? Why things have to be the way they are? Why do they operate the way that they do? 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:35.000 No. My basic feeling is that the blueprint is being revised moment by moment, that the general purpose even doesn't finish yet. 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:51.000 It's in process. Everything is being renewed, but that renewal includes determining where we're going, how it's going to turn out. 01:14:51.000 --> 01:15:10.000 Okay, so you don't see a, and I know you have talked upon this predetermined order and how that's not so much what you agree with in the past, but you see it as an ever evolving thing that requires energy, but then renews its own origin or its own blueprint. 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.000 Yeah. 01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:35.000 I'm just going to go over some more questions here. One is about amino acids. Some people find it a little difficult to get enough protein without drinking copious amounts of milk, which I know is favorable for the calcium and the good ratio of macros in there with the fat and the protein and the carbs. 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:51.000 So in terms of daily protein intake, is it a must that people aim to get around 90 or so grams, or can they, on certain days, consume less? Does the body have efficiency in recycling amino acids? 01:15:51.000 --> 01:16:20.000 Yeah, the 90 to 100 grams per day was a military funded study looking at both male and female army workers and found that 100 grams or more supported the efficient work. 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:39.000 And general good health, but that was looking at everything, being a soldier was part of the pre-condition and eating up a basically standard diet was part of the pre-condition. 01:16:39.000 --> 01:17:08.000 So if you look at a person who isn't under stress and who is doing many things right, minimizing stress, including the type of protein, for example, too much cysteine, methionine, and tryptophane will create excitatory damage. 01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:13.000 Nerve damage, immune system damage, and so on. 01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:26.000 So minimizing those potential stress-inducing amino acids will tremendously reduce the amount of protein you need for maintenance. 01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:53.000 And no one has really identified what those ideal minimum amounts are, but probably way down around 30 grams, everything is ideal because we're constantly making hair and skin and lining cells of the intestine. 01:17:53.000 --> 01:18:08.000 And everything is being renewed, and some of the renewal of protein is lost in the process. 01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:28.000 So it probably can't get below around 30 grams a day, even optimizing everything. But those studies have barely been ended up how to optimally reduce the stress. 01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:54.000 It's probably why a calorie restriction is effective in extending life, because in the process of cutting calories, they've always been reducing the intake of polyunsaturated fats, heavy metals, and these excitatory amino acids. 01:18:54.000 --> 01:19:08.000 So if I understood you correctly, someone who is looking to get around 90 grams of protein but tries to meet that with red meat, which can have those inflammatory amino acids and high amount of phosphate, might actually be doing themselves a disservice. 01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:17.000 Yeah, I'm sure that is not an ideal source of protein. 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:27.000 The next question I have here is about probiotics and bacteria and the flora that is talked about very often these days. 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:36.000 And one of the details that I want to get straight is you talk about the benefit of having a relatively sterile small intestine. 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:43.000 But how far does that go for other areas of the body? For example, we know that certain areas of the body have a different pH. 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:48.000 And how about for the microbial balance, like the vaginal or any other part of the body? 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:56.000 Should those have a diversity of beneficial bacteria, or how much should we aim for sterility in parts of the body? 01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:17.000 Oh, if the body is working well for itself, it will not be either supplying food for potential pathogens, and it won't be harmful for those pathogens. 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:33.000 So, for example, a study in Canada found that the cows with mastitis, they identified the bacteria, 01:20:33.000 --> 01:20:46.000 and a treatment that improved the cows' metabolism increased essentially its thyroid function, cured the mastitis, 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:56.000 but the total bacterial count in the other was even higher in the healthy other. 01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:17.000 So the organism guides the growth of pathogens when it's in a sick state, and it will redirect the growth of bacteria to things that are symbiotic and not harmful. 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:33.000 So it doesn't matter that bacteria are there if they're quiet. You don't want them eating either your nutrients or part of your tissues. 01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:43.000 Do you think there can be beneficial probiotics that people can take, even though their main problem is probably something to do with a lowered metabolic state? 01:21:43.000 --> 01:22:01.000 I haven't run across any that are reliably helpful. The lactobacteria can become pathogens. It all depends on the health of the organism. 01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:11.000 Would you say then somebody who has issues, intestinally, would be better suited for either an herbal or a pharmaceutical antibiotic? 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:39.000 Yeah, there are some bacteria that have such an effective antibiotic secretion of subcalus and lichenic formus as enter the two most effective antibiotics. 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:49.000 And those don't require colonization because they can just be taken as an antibiotic. 01:22:49.000 --> 01:23:09.000 Some herbal antibiotics are safe, or a weak dose of one of the fungal or bacterial antibiotics that's produced pharmaceutical. 01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:17.000 Those can be helpful to suppress the consumption. 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:29.000 That's great to know. One more question here. So hair on one side of the body, do you have any idea why that might happen, to have more hair on one side of the body as opposed to the other? 01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:51.000 There are known stress-induced asymmetries, and one of the factors in responding to stress is the endorphin system. 01:23:51.000 --> 01:24:09.000 And there are various types of endorphin which act preferentially on one side or the other, and it intensifiers or suppress the activity on that side. 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:38.000 And there have only been maybe a dozen studies on how that works, but it's clear that they are involved in asymmetries, and reducing the stress is probably the only presently known way to rebalance the brain or the immune system or other systems. 01:24:38.000 --> 01:25:02.000 I see. Okay. That's kind of an interesting one. So let's see here. Should sleep and diet be modified according to season, and how adaptable are humans in moving to cold climates versus, let's say, tropical or hot climates? 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:28.000 I think the adaptation really should be mainly having a warm house and warm clothes if you're going to live in the cold climate. If your thyroid function is good, it should be good in a warm climate or cold climate. 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:57.000 I found that moving to a planet that's too hot and humid has suppressed my thyroid, and so a moderate climate or a controlled warm situation in a cold region and season is the best for the hormones. 01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:07.000 But if you don't have air conditioning in a very hot, humid, tropical condition, your thyroid is probably going to suffer. 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:25.000 Okay. I see. In terms of animals and their hibernation being induced by things like PUFA, what would happen to a human who is eating to fuel their metabolism and they get into a famine condition? 01:26:25.000 --> 01:26:34.000 Would there be a benefit when there isn't enough food to utilize PUFA or no? 01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:50.000 The body is going to go into that sharper condition, but it goes more quickly if the mobilized fat is polyunsaturated. 01:26:50.000 --> 01:27:06.000 But any time you're under stress, you mobilize free fatty acids from your tissues, and those free fatty acids always interfere with oxidative energy production. 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:32.000 So stress almost instantly, once the free fatty acids increase, your metabolic rate goes down, and so fasting reaches the point of depleting your stored glycogen that starts pulling out the free fatty acids, 01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:40.000 and that turns your metabolic rate down, puts you in a sharper, so you don't lose weight very fast. 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:57.000 I see. You talk about the negative genetic changes that might happen from environmentally induced, let's say, signals, as opposed to the neo-Darwinist rhetoric, 01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:03.000 more so the Lamarckian evolutionary theory, the environment can cause these changes. 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:12.000 Do you think that a single generation is enough to reverse these negative genetic expressions or changes? 01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:34.000 If they have developed over several generations, they can be fairly extreme. And if you start during pregnancy, yes, you can make up for generations of stress and suppression. 01:28:34.000 --> 01:29:00.000 Like Catherina Dalton's observations, her clients previously, their babies averaged 90 IQ for her particular population in England, looking at the older children of these women. 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:16.000 And then when she gave them adequate progesterone to stop their symptoms, years later someone said, "It's interesting that your patients have such superior children." 01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:31.000 And she thought that was unlikely. So she did the study and found that they did have something like 30-plant IQ advantage just for getting progesterone support during pregnancy. 01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:53.000 That's great to hear that people can do things about that, because the scary part is that it seems the authoritarians and the people who make these food and chemical decisions on our behalf are basically inducing the type of damage that they say is the truth, which is genetic fate. 01:29:53.000 --> 01:30:22.000 Yeah, it was – when I was in graduate school and even decades after the standard doctrine in the medical world and genetic theory world was that toxemia of pregnancy, the basic, most popular theory was that it was either the inferior 01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:32.000 of the mother or the genetic inferiority of the fetus poisoning the mother's metabolism. 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:46.000 And so there was nothing you could do during pregnancy that would either prevent toxemia of pregnancy or improve the quality of the baby. 01:30:46.000 --> 01:31:06.000 But animal studies for starting in the '50s and before were showing a tremendous effect of changing the diet during pregnancy, adding simply glucose, for example, 01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:17.000 caused a much bigger brain, more intelligent animal – rats and chickens, for example – developed bigger brains. 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:43.000 And the doctrine of meritocracy, the whole neoliberal conspiracy of basing politics on the idea of genetic merit absolutely phony science all the way from top to bottom, 01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:57.000 that the idea that the bad genes caused the toxemia of the inferior baby was used as an excuse not for improving their diet. 01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:20.000 But if anything, it helps them to mystery on the board so they don't reproduce themselves, where simply adding salts to the diet had a tremendous effect on reducing the incidence of toxemia. 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:31.000 Salt and sugar and protein and percustrone made the difference of more or less 30 IQ points. 01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:47.000 This whole doctrine of meritocracy precedes all of the genetic arguments that support it. 01:32:47.000 --> 01:33:01.000 Science was picked and built up to support the argument. It wasn't that the argument was derived from the science, but the opposite. 01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:18.000 Would these environmentally induced genetic changes or genetically modified foods or now mosquitoes be rejected by nature eventually if the threat and the tampering cease to exist? 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:35.000 That's hard to predict, but the organism itself tends to throw it off. It's like cancer cells, the typical cancer cell. 01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:54.000 It has very short lives and it would lead to the disappearance of tumors except that the dying cell leaves a residue and so the repair cells are damaged. 01:33:54.000 --> 01:34:06.000 The same thing that caused the cancer if you don't change the problem that led to the first detective cells is going to continue. 01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:28.000 Any time you introduce a genetic change, it's very likely that the way cancer cells deteriorate, you're very likely to shorten the survival possibilities of that organism. 01:34:28.000 --> 01:34:51.000 A couple more here. When it comes to objectivity and subjectivity concerning quantum theories that are going around, do you see this as an attempt to say that anything and everything could happen so there really isn't any right answers and everything is subjective? 01:34:51.000 --> 01:35:20.000 Germany, at the time, quantum theory was invented. That was metaphysical preference because of the conditions of Germany, severe social economic stress that they were basically saying, "We're above it. All it isn't really happening." 01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:30.000 That rhetoric would then allow any authoritarian to say that you're wrong no matter what. 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:50.000 The concept of everything is random was a 19th century version. Change is only random and not like Darwin and Lamarck said that it's guided by biological value. 01:35:50.000 --> 01:36:00.000 Change is only random was required as a logical basis for meritocracy. 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:24.000 Let's see. I think there's one more that I want to hear. Have you heard of cell-free mitochondria? Mitochondria found not inside of the cell. Do you think that that is a product of the life cycle of the red blood cell emitting its organelles or ejecting its organelles? 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:44.000 I suspect that they are seeing a particular kind of exosome. Mitochondria have been extracted and injected in the cells giving them new vitality. 01:36:44.000 --> 01:36:59.000 I would imagine that one of the repair processes of the natural exosome system would be to send some supplementary mitochondria to the sick area. 01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:05.000 This is something that you propose the body it's doing by having cell-free mitochondria circulate? 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:15.000 I think that would be a very likely function of some of the exosomes. 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:32.000 I hear your criticism of the cells being observed out of their natural environment a lot and I agree that once you take something out of its functional zone, you can't expect it to function the way that it does in the organism. 01:37:32.000 --> 01:37:39.000 In reference to that, do you see any value in dark field microscopy? 01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:42.000 No, not much. 01:37:42.000 --> 01:37:51.000 You think that's still a rather superfluous way of looking at the cell once again out of its normal environment? 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:57.000 Yes, very severely at normal conditions. 01:37:57.000 --> 01:38:02.000 I see. Yeah, it seems like a lot of people are using those to diagnose things. 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:13.000 All right, well, Dr. Peat, I've had you for about a little over an hour and a half now and it's been great, such great information. I'm sure everyone's going to be very excited to hear all this. 01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:26.000 Once again, if there's anything else that you want to share with people, I think we already shared your email that they can reach you at and the newsletter and your paid and unpaid content. 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:28.000 Is there anything else you'd like to add? 01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:29.000 No. 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:38.000 Great. Well, thank you so much. And hopefully we can have you back again. I'm sure I can have another slew of questions if you're willing to do that at some point. 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:39.000 Okay. 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.000 All right. Thank you. 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