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 Welcome to the primitive initiative podcast. I'm fortunate enough to have Dr. Raymond Peat as my guest once again

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 Today we will be talking about planned obsolescence

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 particulate matter the green reset soil Wilhelm Reich

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 Social structure digital versus analog reality morality and much much more. Enjoy the show

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 Hello everyone, I have Dr. Peat with me once again

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 Dr. Peat has a PhD in biology from the University of Oregon with specialization in physiology and has taught at several schools in the US

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 and Mexico

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 He started his work with progesterone and related hormones in 1968 in papers in physiological chemistry and physics and in his dissertation

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 he outlined his ideas regarding progesterone and the hormones closely related to it as

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 protectors of the body structure and energy

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 Against the harmful effects of estrogen radiation stress and a lack of oxygen his key idea being that energy and structure are

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 Interdependent at every level. How are you doing? Dr. Peat? It's good to have you again

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 Awesome. Great. If anybody wants Dr. Peat's information even more in depth in part one that we did

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 He goes really in depth gives a perfect explanation of his history and how he got here

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 So I highly recommend checking that one out

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 So Dr. Peat once again, I have a few questions for you and I just want you to go wherever you want with them

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 I love to follow your trail of thought and it always reveals some amazing information

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 All right

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 Well, actually before we get to the questions

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 I want to kind of ask how you're doing there last time we talked you had those fires and everything

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 I heard on Patrick Timponi's

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 Radio show that they're pretty much cleared now, but but how are things otherwise?

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 For a suitable future. I see. Okay. Well, that's good. That's good. I'm glad the rains are there and I

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 Live in Minnesota. So we got some pretty good snow. I'm pretty pretty close to Canada

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 so we usually get it first and it usually goes away last but

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 Do you think the weather patterns are going to get more and more?

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 resembling a mini ice age

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 the solar experts have been predicting now for

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 80 years at least

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 It's tending to come back in style paying attention to the Sun cycles

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 Deforestation of

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 especially the

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 Northwest

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 of the United States

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 and

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 The world in general of burning off the force of the Amazon

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 to grow soybeans

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 All of that is destabilizing

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 the climate

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 the absence of great forests

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 Just creates an up-and-down situation

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 floods clouds

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 Cold but not

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 Everything going through an extreme because the forest we're modifying

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 humidity and temperature

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 Do you think the increased carbon dioxide is actually having a beneficial effect to counteract these things that are being caused by the

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 deforestation

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 Helping to accelerate restoration of vegetation

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 They're still cutting for us so fast that things are getting worse

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 The growth of the forest during the summer the sunny season

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 that the

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 growing

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 infotation

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 absorbs carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, so

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 by autumn

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 or the atmosphere there's quite a bit less carbon dioxide than there was in the spring

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 During the winter

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 Organisms and even the leafless trees

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 As well as the conifer forests that still have their leaves during the winter all of these are

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 putting out carbon dioxide into the atmosphere

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 so by spring

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 There's a biological

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 Production of higher carbon dioxide

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 about five percent every year and

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 Subtraction of it during the growth season

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 The more carbon dioxide we have

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 greater growth, and restoration there is during the summer months

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 Does having more greenery actually have a cooling effect on the planet by reflecting back that infrared?

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 Yeah

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 Not as much as it is silence, but definitely a reflecting and cooling effect

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 When I was working in Halapa

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 I had been there 20 or 30 years earlier

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 The town itself had been very comfortable

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 all seasons of the year that the city square for example

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 was covered with huge old trees

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 So the sunlight was

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 reflected

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 And beer was very moderate

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 But when I was working there 20 years ago

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 They had deforested the whole city for construction

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 And as soon as the sun came up in the morning it became stiflingly hot

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 I would wear just

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 cotton pants

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 cotton white shirt

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 Had a morning class at the University

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 But by the time I got to my class

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 My shirt was soaked through with sweat

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 Because of the extreme rise of temperature by nine o'clock in the morning

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 But if I walked to the outskirts of the town

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 just a few blocks

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 The surrounding forest jungle and coffee plantations and such

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 suddenly there was a decrease of temperature of

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 must have been 10 or 15 degrees perfectly comfortable

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 Where there were still

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 surrounding forests

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 Yeah, oh, sorry go ahead

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 No, even a small area you can feel it

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 Something that happens within the space of just a block or two

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 between a deforested and a forested area

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 in the Midwest where they grow corn

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 They've noticed that

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 downwind

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 from a city

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 the corn production is huge because of the

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 heavier rain and lightning storms, which

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 produce

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 nitrogen fertilizer

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 converting atmospheric nitrogen to

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 soluble

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 water soluble compounds

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 So there's if you look at the corn production

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 There's a roughly circular area downwind from the cities

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 Wow, so that's really good to hear because then that's something that's happening even when soils are

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 Compromised or or does that get compromised along the way because my understanding is that the soils

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 Somewhat either toxic or there's all these pesticides that are mineral binders and stuff like that

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 Yeah

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 Are now polluted they don't know how long it's going to last it's enduring

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 Pollutant of the soil and water in there

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 What is the composition of that again?

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 tear gas

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 Whatever they were using

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 Detected this as a soil and water pollutant. I see it seems like with this global warming phenomenon

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 That's being pushed everywhere that it I can't help but think that it's propaganda

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 It just seems like more ways to control people and pull money out of their pockets

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 but tend to agree on because the media of Time magazine and such things

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 We're talking about becoming ice age

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 as recently as the late 70s and then

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 Just a few months after the three-mile island

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 nuclear accident happened

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 and the public

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 started realizing that

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 nuclear power production was

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 dangerous for the health

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 Pentagon which uses the fuel to spend fuel from nuclear power

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 reactors

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 To make atomic bombs that they had Pentagon realized that the public sphere of

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 nuclear reactors

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 would be

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 Endangering their ability to keep making atomic bombs

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 And shortly after the accident they put out the first big

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 pseudo scientific report of the coming planetary warming

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 And since then they've been pushing that doctrine

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 Yeah, the hypocrisy also seems to be a big red flag. I mean a lot of these people propagating this stuff

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 like political figures or celebrity figures have their own private jets and their own methods of consuming copious amounts of

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 fossil fuels

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 and carbon dioxide

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 They really ignore

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 what the pollution really consists of

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 carcinogenic particles

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 Polycytes like hydrocarbons for example and thioxins

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 The real toxins are ignored for the one beneficial ingredient which is carbon dioxide

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 but they talk about that because

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 nuclear power

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 they say

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 produces no

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 pollution

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 They say it produces no carbon dioxide, but naturally there's a lot of

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 petroleum spent in

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 mining and refining

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 this stuff

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 It's a very

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 energy expensive fuel

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 The amount of energy you get out of it

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 probably

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 Doesn't

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 Seriously exceed the amount you put into it that the cost of mining it and preparing it

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 The health care costs of the people who were poisoned in the process of mining and making it

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 So the main benefit or profit for them is making weapons

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 Yeah, okay. I always wondered why they would take such large ventures

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 You know and and commit to that or invest in that if there wasn't some major return, so that makes sense

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 What?

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 Do you think clean coal is a myth or does that do you think that actually exists?

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 chemical processes to

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 purify coal smoke

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 So do you think that would be a better alternative to the nuclear situation we find ourselves in?

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 If they couldn't get people to accept that then they could basically control the economy and what happens to people

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 If you look at the crazy things that are being done with that energy

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 The transportation systems are designed for inefficiency

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 the real transport of streetcars in the city

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 and railroads, electric railroads, especially

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 are non polluting and minimize the expensive energy for the amount of free coal

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 just everywhere you look in the economy

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 There's unnecessary expensive energy subsidizing the growth of corn to produce diesel alcohol

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 It is actually it's criminal because of the absolute lack of justification

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 that it consumes much more energy than you get out of it and pollutes in multiple ways

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 Do you think that using regular food wastes to do that would be logical or?

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 Sewage, for example, is entirely wasted. Composting could not only produce methane

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 for the uses where you need concentrated chemical energy

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 but the process of bacterial action that ends up producing methane

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 produces a lot of heat

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 So if you properly recycle everything that people use

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 the composts are sufficient to warm houses

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 with a compost system near or in the basement of houses

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 that would produce heat during the winter

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 That's great. I mean, the more I look at our situation

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 the more it seems inefficiency is pushed just for monetary gain

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 while masking it under the guise of efficiency and the way forward

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 The economy has grown on the basis of advertising

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 and the media has been controlling the culture

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 The media powered by the advertising industry shows that even movies

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 are getting a part of their subsidies by advertising products

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 Schools have been integrated into the product promotion system

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 by normalizing the irrational use of goods in general

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 but everything on radio, television and newspapers

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 the sales industries guide the public to consume what they want to sell

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 None of the guidance comes from people actually seeking products

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 Good products that have been preferred by the public

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 have been displaced every 10 or 20 years

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 People find that their favorite products have disappeared from the world

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 Things are generally designed intentionally

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 to wear out or fail sooner so that more of them can be sold

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 The man who got the Nobel Prize related to the studies in light

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 The reason for his research at General Electric

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 was to learn how to make a light bulb burn out predictably on schedule

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 Urging light mirrors

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 In the 1950s I had a light bulb that had been made around 1900

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 I used it for about 10 years and then during a move it was broken

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 It had worked for decades without burning out

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 That was a major technological advance to make bulbs burn out

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 The latest, the compact fluorescent bulbs, they are a notorious trick on the public

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 to convince them that they were a long lasting energy saving thing

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 but they burned out so fast that they cost many times more than even a conventional General Electric

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 tungsten bulb that gets itself engineered to burn out in a few months

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 I think you're referring to that planned obsolescence, right?

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 The whole economy has integrated that principle

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 Aren't those light bulbs also full of mercury, some sort of mercury vapor?

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 Oh yeah, the whole principle was some kind of a conspiracy between the industry and government

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 that the government foisted them on the public

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 I love how they're called the green option

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 It just seems like the most complete backwards thing

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 So talking about pollutants and stuff like that

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 I know you have a really good article, I think it's called "Particles in Context"

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 What does it mean for our food that so much of this is in the environment?

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 What's happening to the soil? What's happening to the food as a result of these pollutants?

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 Particulate pollution?

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 Anything that would end up falling on the soil

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 I don't know which one would matter more if it's larger particles or smaller particles

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 But I know that the soil has its own life cycle

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 There's so many aspects to it from minerals getting converted to various forms

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 and fungi and bacteria

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 It just seems like a whole world and there's just so much going against it, it seems

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 Pesticides have spread everywhere, the ice in Antarctica, mother's milk contains all of the popular pesticides

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 that are spread into the urine, put in food, the smoke from burning forests

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 the fires that were created by mismanagement and deforestation

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 Those pollutants have entered the soil under food

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 Still there is asbestos in city dust from the break linings

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 You can still find the particles in high traffic areas getting into the air, entering the lungs

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 Weren't those all kinds of silica, even fine sand particles, those are carcinogenic and dust in general

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 When you have fluctuations, extreme dryness and winds, then you get dustier air

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 That includes the chemical toxins that have settled smoke components, industrial waste and pesticides

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 and natural silica dust, all of those particles are carcinogenic, and brain toxic

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 liver and kidney toxic damage the search electory system

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 So the weather destabilization is stirring up all of the pollutants

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 So if somebody says "I love the environment, I want to stand up for protecting it"

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 and they think the right way to go is to protest against carbon dioxide and do whatever the government tells them to

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 to help preserve the environment, what do you think they should really be doing if they want to be a person who is conscious of this?

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 I start thinking about what, for example, the World Economic Forum is telling us we should do

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 The reason Greta Thunberg became famous was that she was recruited by the World Economic Forum

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 to basically campaign for their program for the future

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 Green is a camouflage for these new industry forces that want to shift to atomic energy under the guise of green wash

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 and shift everything to a digital controllable from above economy

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 If you look at the purposes and programs of the World Economic Forum, you can find out everything that we shouldn't be doing

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 I like that, so use that information and follow the opposite

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 Going back to soil, there's been some people who are very vocal about acid rain, sulfuric acid, nitric acid

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 stuff like that falling from smokestacks and stuff like that

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 But do you think, and the claim is, that this is in some way compromising the bacteria, which then make it so the minerals that are taken up into the plants

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 are no longer what they deem to be organic or carbon bonded

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 For a lack of food, the plant has no option now but to take up these inorganic minerals

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 Is there any reality to this?

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 Yeah, I think there is some

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 There was a thing about carbon dioxide a couple years ago

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 I forget how far it was, but it was highly publicized

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 It was another anti-CO2 idea, but CO2 dissolved in rain is actually one of the solvent-fertarian minerals from the natural mineral composition of the soil

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 carrying it in solution into the roots of plants

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 Fungus and bacteria are involved

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 but the atmospheric carbon dioxide carried into the soil is an actual important factor in providing food to the plants

00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.920
 That's carbonic acid, right? Or is it something else?

00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:06.920
 Okay, so then that would be kind of the same way that minerals end up in spring water and stuff like that, right?

00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:15.920
 Would it be a big deal for inorganic minerals to end up in food if somebody has good thyroid function and their stomach acid is fine

00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:23.920
 They would still be able to utilize those minerals even if it's not in the ideal form, or what do you think about that?

00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:32.920
 Oh, you know, some minerals, your stomach acid will do a good job on them

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:47.920
 But if they're not in organisms and get into your stomach, you have to worry about the toxic things that are associated with them

00:29:47.920 --> 00:30:00.920
 For example, I don't think it's a good idea to eat clay or zeolite or any of the mineral products that are straight from the soil

00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:13.920
 There are lots of places selling what they call ancient minerals from seabed or lake beds

00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:21.920
 Basically, it's just dirt full of all kinds of heavy metals

00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:34.920
 They say contains 92 minerals, 92 elements, that just means basically dirt

00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:40.920
 Yeah, I've seen one of those. One of the most famous is I believe it's called constant trace

00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.920
 And they claim to be from I think the Great Salt Lake or something like that

00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:50.920
 And I think they're in the chloride form, like majority magnesium chloride with I think sodium removed

00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:55.920
 So you wouldn't suggest that as like a water remineralizer or anything like that?

00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:06.920
 No, if you get magnesium from seawater, the process of crystallizing it purifies it quite a bit

00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:18.920
 And from some mineral springs, the minerals have been filtered and processed chemically

00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:32.920
 So they're relatively pure, low content of cadmium, mercury, arsenic, uranium and so on

00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:44.920
 But each plant or animal that the mineral passes through before you eat it, the safer it is

00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:59.920
 Because if you eat one of those crude mineral products, your stomach is going to select a little bit

00:31:59.920 --> 00:32:08.920
 There will be a slight purification, but you'll absorb very dangerous amounts of heavy metals

00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:21.920
 If it's a crude mineral, or if it has passed through even a simple fast-growing plant, there will be a great refining

00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:31.920
 So that even isotopes of the same element are slightly refined by being processed through plants

00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:50.920
 And if you have another layer of filtration, for example, a cow eating the plants, the flesh of the cow is going to have a safer balance of minerals than even the plant has

00:32:50.920 --> 00:33:08.920
 And the milk of the cow is another level of filtration, where the nutrients were purified before they constructed the cow

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:24.920
 But after the cow is constructed, then the nutrients are further purified as they form the milk, going into the bloodstream and being filtered through the mammary gland

00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:43.920
 There are layers of purification, so all things being equal, milk is our cleanest food possible because of these layers of filtration

00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:53.920
 Yeah, totally. I tell people that milk is my green juice because they like to say, "Oh, well, you don't eat any greens"

00:33:53.920 --> 00:34:00.920
 I'm like, "Well, I'd like to think that the cow does that work for me, and a lot of the same nutrients end up in the milk itself"

00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:18.920
 When it comes to milk and its processing, Georgie Dinkoff, who you speak with, with Danny Roddy, he mentioned that the ultra-filtration of milk causes a considerable amount of the magnesium to be lost

00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:20.920
 Do you think that's an issue?

00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.920
 The ultra-pasteurization?

00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:30.920
 He said filtration. Well, I don't know if that would be the same processing method?

00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:59.920
 I don't know why anyone would put it through an ultra-filter. I think it must meant ultra-pasteurization. Pasteurizing does precipitate a small amount of mineral, and the heavier the pasteurization, the more of the mineral would be deposited on the machinery

00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:05.920
 Would they end up in the milk as carbonates or oxides or something like that?

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:22.920
 No, just whatever sticks to the machinery that you get is calcium, magnesium, film forming on the heating machinery, and that small amount is lost from the milk

00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:37.920
 I see. Yeah, I have seen the word filtration written on some of the milk here in the grocery store, so I don't know why they would filter it. Maybe it's because some things end up in the milk and they have to filter it out after processing

00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:54.920
 Possibly some people are afraid of the cell content of milk, that there are actual living cells in living milk, and those are killed in ordinary pasteurization

00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:13.920
 But they would still be floating around in the milk, and if people don't like the idea of dead cells floating around for some reason, maybe they think filtering out the cells is an improvement

00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:30.920
 But naturally that would take selective higher amount of magnesium than calcium, because cells do concentrate magnesium. It's a very small amount

00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:42.920
 Oh, interesting. So you're saying that the bacteria or the organisms killed have magnesium inside of the cell, and when that's filtered, that can cause some minute decrease in magnesium levels

00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:55.920
 Yeah, there are quite a few cow cells in the milk naturally, not just bacteria, but also cells of the cow

00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:10.920
 Oh, okay, wow, I never considered that, that's great. Talking about milk and milk products, I eat a decent amount of Greek yogurt, it's strained, has less lactic acid, I think I've seen you suggest that at some point

00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:22.920
 But there's also been some debate as to whether the bacteria in these fermentation processes actually makes it down into the gut, or just gets killed in the stomach acid

00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.920
 Is that something that we should be concerned about, or is yogurt and its bacteria content in terms of like

00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:49.920
 Oh yeah, it sounds that even if all of the bacteria in living yogurt, if all of them are killed by the acid, which is usually the case, the dead bacteria are still having an anti-inflammatory effect in your intestine

00:37:49.920 --> 00:38:15.920
 The substance of the bacterial skeleton, it contains things with an anti-inflammatory effect, so that the bacteria itself, even dead, it's maybe even better than living bacteria that could produce lactic acid in your intestine

00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:22.920
 Because too much lactic acid in your intestine puts your burden on your liver

00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:50.920
 And bacteria produce racemic, randomized lactic acid molecule, which is in the long run much more toxic, even than the proper kind of lactate that we make ourselves

00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:59.920
 The kind we make ourselves is a signal that can have very harmful effects if it gets out of control

00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:17.920
 If you take too much of even the natural form of the lactate, it will still put a burden on your liver and consume stored lactic acid, so it can give you low blood sugar

00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:29.920
 But the bacterial form of lactate is metabolized similarly to glycerin

00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:49.920
 And part of the damage produced by stress is the glycerin molecule that forms triglycerides, when you liberate free fatty acids, you also liberate the glycerin molecule

00:39:49.920 --> 00:40:13.920
 And bacterial racemic, lactic acid, and glycerin are metabolized, producing a methyl glyoxal, which is a very toxic, age accelerating compound

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:24.920
 A very reactive, molecule damaging form of lactic acid derivative

00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:30.920
 So we could avoid that by avoiding the improper oxidation of fuel?

00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:41.920
 Yeah, avoiding formation of a significant amount of bacterial lactic acid in your intestine

00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:50.920
 I see. So when it comes to yogurt, it's not so much the bacteria in there, but the lactic acid byproduct that would cause the issues

00:40:50.920 --> 00:41:15.920
 Yeah, so if you don't feed it with a high starch diet, for example, if you're slow to digest food yourself, then it feeds bacteria, and hard to digest starches are major sources of fuel for bacteria

00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:33.920
 And several of their metabolic breakdown products of the starches are toxic enough to produce emotional behavioral problems in test animals, undoubtedly the same in humans

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:44.920
 There's a lot of people right now using resistant starch or even raw starch to help feed what they claim to be the supportive bacteria in the colon

00:41:44.920 --> 00:42:00.920
 And if you look at the studies, the behavioral effects are mediated through the increase of serotonin effects in the brain

00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:26.920
 And the behavioral effects include fear and regression both in the animal test and the fiber which is digestible by bacteria that resist digestion by our enzymes

00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:40.920
 Those are the starches or starch-like molecules that cause those toxic byproducts

00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:51.920
 These people report having relief from psoriasis-like symptoms, and I know you said that polyunsaturated fats can also have a temporary anti-inflammatory response with long-term harm

00:42:51.920 --> 00:43:07.920
 Do you think something like that is happening from the serotonin? Is there any possible way that it's being anti-inflammatory temporarily?

00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:24.920
 I'm going back to purification of substances and toxicity. I'm a fan of distilled water. I have a VOC vent and a carbon filter afterwards to get possibly some of the VOCs

00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:39.920
 I saw your quote that you were saying that distilled water is generally fine to drink. It's just some of the bad things attributed to it is because with areas of high rainfall, it dilutes the minerals to where maybe the plants aren't as nutritious and they have more cloud cover

00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.920
 So they probably have lower vitamin D levels. Do you still agree with that statement?

00:43:44.920 --> 00:44:08.920
 It's best to get a large part of your water needs through your foods such as milk and fruit juice. If you're in a hot climate and have to drink water, distilled water is fine as long as your diet contains minerals

00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:25.920
 When it comes to spring water, I know a lot of people drink spring water and well water. Because of this acid rain, do you think it's more dangerous to drink those because of the excess leaching of minerals and other things that might be leaching?

00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:37.920
 I think it's important to look at the mineral analysis of every type of spring water that you consider using regularly

00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.920
 Is there a disadvantage to having high hardness in the water or high mineral count?

00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:50.920
 Arsenic and cadmium are the two most dangerous minerals

00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:58.920
 What if it's a majority of calcium and magnesium and that kind of makes up the hardness? Would that be helpful?

00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:22.920
 To some extent, you cannot compete against the toxins by having a lot of the safer ones. For example, if you have a high sink intake that protects you somewhat against cadmium pollution

00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:33.920
 and calcium that protects against strontium and lead, for example

00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:52.920
 I think the Hanza people have the Hanza water, which looks like milk. It's so rich in minerals that the water looks milky. They claim to drink that and attribute that to their good health

00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.920
 I think that's supposed to be extremely high in magnesium

00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:12.920
 Let's see. That's good to know. Do you know, speaking of water, that seems to be a natural form of magnetic, I don't know if I'd call it pollution

00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:24.920
 but a magnetic phenomenon, the geopathic stress, and there seems to be some tests that they did in Germany that showed that just moving people's beds could either help prevent their cancer or reverse it

00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:28.920
 Do you think there's these phenomenon under the earth that are affecting people?

00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:53.920
 Yeah, there are some places that have definitely odd fields, deposits under the earth, but I think the idea of it being a general planetary problem

00:46:53.920 --> 00:47:00.920
 I doubt that. I think it's just a few special areas

00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:11.920
 Wilhelm Reich seemed to do some research in these fields and he claimed to have created cloudbusters and talked about organ energy and organ accumulators

00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.920
 Do you have any insights on him and his work?

00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:31.920
 Yeah, I've read all of his things, and the matter of his writing in general, I started reading him in the '50s when he was in prison, in fact

00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:50.920
 and my psychology professor didn't mention that even though we were comparing Reich and Freud's underwritings, oddly my professor seemed to be totally unaware of him

00:47:50.920 --> 00:48:01.920
 He was currently in prison, but from that time on I read I think all of his books

00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:15.920
 and since he had generally the right picture of how organisms work, he borrowed many of his best ideas

00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:28.920
 but I think he also had some very mistaken ideas about the nature of radiation, for example

00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.920
 Do you mind going into that a little bit?

00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:48.920
 For example, one of his paintings illustrated light around a glowing object

00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:59.920
 and he didn't realize that this halo effect that people see around an object occurs in the eye

00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:14.920
 He believed there was something actually occurring around the object, but by changing the properties of your eye, you change that glow effect

00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:24.920
 So he was very ignorant of things like objects

00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:29.920
 I see, so you thought people had this visible aura around them

00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:39.920
 Yeah, it didn't separate what happens in your perception apparatus from what is out there in space

00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:47.920
 Do you think these cloud busters that he used to help promote rainfall and stuff were legitimate?

00:49:47.920 --> 00:50:03.920
 I don't discount the possibilities that they could work, but I don't think the principles he used to explain them were valid

00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.920
 Why do you think was the main reason that they ended up putting him in jail?

00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:23.920
 Oh, definitely, his writings against fascism, that the FDA was a persecutor of the Food and Drug Administration

00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:48.920
 and they said he was selling a cancer-treating device, and anyone who combines a political, anti-fascist message with questioning of the cancer pharmaceutical establishment

00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:54.920
 that basically condemns themselves

00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:01.920
 I see. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially today, you get to see all that playing out in front of you

00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.920
 The FDA had all of his books burned

00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:12.920
 It's a horrible story, I remember reading it and watching it

00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:19.920
 Do you think magnetic therapy has any merit to it? I know people try to use magnets to bring blood flow to regions of their body

00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:21.920
 Do you know anything about magnetic therapy?

00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:32.920
 Yeah, I wrote a book about it, and politics got involved

00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:44.920
 I forget what the guy's name was that agreed to publish it, and then I think he and his partner decided not to publish it

00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:54.920
 But I had reviewed the studies of biological sensitivity

00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:09.920
 And I had in fact gone to Moscow to talk to Yuri Holodov, who was studying the effects of weak magnetic fields

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:22.920
 on brain and bone adult cells, and that was before I started studying reproductive physiology

00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:45.920
 So I was oriented through the bio magnetism ideas in my approach to how to look at biological energy, especially in the reproductive system and brain

00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:57.920
 The very weak fields do influence our nerves and hormone-producing cells very strongly

00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:05.920
 Do you have any, well first of all do you plan on releasing any of that information as a book still, or as an article?

00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:20.920
 No, I think there's enough already in print, I was just bringing some of it together

00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:28.920
 Do you have anything that you personally use or recommend for somebody who might be looking to utilize that technology?

00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:35.920
 No, I never came up with anything that I thought was useful

00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:54.920
 In one of my first research projects in the lab at the university, I was studying the latent latency in nerve stimulation and reaction of crab nerves

00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:07.920
 And I found that putting a strong permanent magnet near the nerve increased its latency or stabilized it

00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:23.920
 And right around that same time at NASA, they were finding that putting a strong permanent field perpendicular to the base of the brain

00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:39.920
 At the upper part of the neck, that they could affect consciousness, effectively slowing down or blocking the communication between the brain and the spinal cord

00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:52.920
 Even though you can see the effects and potential harm, so far I haven't seen anything that was convincingly therapeutic

00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.920
 That's why I lost interest in publishing it

00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:10.920
 So people sometimes report relief of arthritis type symptoms by, well I know copper isn't necessarily, it's not magnetic, but from copper, wearing copper and also magnets

00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:20.920
 What do you think? Wearing copper, definitely copper is absorbable through the skin

00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:33.920
 For example, just painted some copper sulfate onto an animal's skin and then taken a blood sample and found that it had high copper content of the blood

00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:42.920
 So if you wear a bracelet for example and it turns your skin green, that means you're absorbing copper

00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:59.920
 And copper is needed for respiratory energy and for forming the elastin molecule that makes your tissues resilient, blood vessels, stretchiness and so on

00:55:59.920 --> 00:56:03.920
 So wearing copper is absorbable through the skin?

00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:31.920
 Definitely. Are there any other things that might be? I know I wear silver jewelry, is that having any benefit or disadvantage?

00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:38.920
 But wearing it on the skin as a ring or a necklace should be fine, or is it potentially toxic?

00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:46.920
 It's something I avoid for myself, but I don't think it's enough to worry about

00:56:46.920 --> 00:57:00.920
 A lot of people started using colloidal silver or ionic silver during this time, well I don't really agree with the premise of it, but what do you think about using that short term?

00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:10.920
 Oh, maybe for something like disinfecting a swimming pool, where copper used to be the thing

00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:18.920
 People didn't need chlorine in their pool, so they just put a little copper sulfate in the water

00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:24.920
 And that was good for your skin, as well as keeping the organisms down

00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:38.920
 Silver can do the same disinfecting job, but colloidal silver I don't think is safe except in the very smallest occasional amounts

00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:51.920
 I make my own, but I use it only externally, and I found it to be of great relief when I mix it with a pregnenolone cream and put it on burns

00:57:51.920 --> 00:58:04.920
 Or I had wild parsnip which caused chemical burns from phytophotodermatitis, and I also found that that really helped the silver mixed with the pregnenolone

00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:09.920
 It definitely protects against injection

00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:17.920
 Do you think it's doing something to relieve the burn? Because it was like a night and day difference for me when I put on the silver

00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:20.920
 I don't know about that

00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:33.920
 It was funny because I told my father-in-law that I had been doing that, and he said yes, I also have a conventionally produced at the pharmacy's silver cream that he would use for burns

00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.920
 And I didn't even know that existed

00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:45.920
 I think it's standard explanation is that it's anti-infective

00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.920
 Okay, maybe I had a small infection going on

00:58:50.920 --> 00:59:01.920
 Going back to magnetism and EMF, I observed some of our pets in various homes, like cats, that will go and sleep close to the wifi router

00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:11.920
 That kind of makes me curious, do these animals not understand this threat? Can they not perceive this threat? Do they not have some better senses than us?

00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:24.920
 Yeah, I've noticed, for example, our cat always cringed when we turned on the induction hot plate

00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:44.920
 And looked at it like it was an alien invader, gave it a white bird

00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:53.920
 I've also noticed that ants sometimes congregate around an electrical outlet, even when it can't be a source of warmth, there's something there attractive

00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:55.920
 Interesting

00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:02.920
 Yeah, I definitely believe in the negative effects of EMF, but it was always strange to me how sometimes animals would be attracted to it

01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:08.920
 Maybe they're getting addicted to it or something, I don't know

01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:14.920
 Okay, well, that's good to know about magnetic therapy, I've been really curious about that

01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:25.920
 I kind of wanted to ask you, with everything going on right now, what is your definition or view of the way society should run

01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:31.920
 I know this is a big question, but a lot of people are trying to propose their own, of course we have the left and the right

01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:41.920
 But how do you think society should be ruled, or should there even be a ruler, should we be small communities, and how far does authoritarianism either go or don't go

01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.920
 It doesn't go

01:00:43.920 --> 01:01:09.920
 Authoritarianism has been on the rampage for over 100 years, it's multiplying insanely, if you read a significant amount of Klaus Schwab's writings, the founder of the World Economic Forum

01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:26.920
 You can see that he's basically totally deranged with a worship of power that can come from artificial intelligence

01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:51.920
 And the left-right opposition has pretty much lost its meaning because of this takeover of the language by the insane authoritarians

01:01:51.920 --> 01:02:20.920
 The whole digital culture, it's their dream scheme to enslave people, get them involved and committed to the very basis for thinking about the future

01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:41.920
 You have to back up and realize that the quantization of reality, the digitalization of our culture, in every sense, the attitude towards communication and information

01:02:41.920 --> 01:03:07.920
 You have to back up, and for example, I think in information theory, the last evidence of good biological thinking was in the founder of cybernetics, Norbert Wiener

01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:15.920
 He had this parallel in Russia, in the Pavlovian tradition

01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:28.920
 And P.K. and Mokan created the same ideas that Norbert Wiener did, and about how control processes work

01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:53.920
 Norbert Wiener saw a reality in analog terms, and pointed out that people were in control at every stage of a cybernetic system as long as it was thought out in analog terms

01:03:53.920 --> 01:04:12.920
 Anivar Push was singing along the same lines, but he became a government official and began combining digital processes with his analog computing systems

01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:34.920
 And Norbert Wiener's approach by the early 1950s had been cut out of the culture by the force of government grants and pressures against that way of thinking

01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:54.920
 So that the government, in obedience to these financial powers, created the belief that reality is digital and quantized

01:04:54.920 --> 01:05:18.920
 And once you're committed to that view, then the whole Google technocracy system, that reasoning seems to make sense

01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:40.920
 But once you realize that it's an ideological propaganda imposition, write a key, the brain process of how we describe reality and our understanding of reality

01:05:40.920 --> 01:06:03.920
 You have to back up and try to start thinking as an animal, and then you see the polarity is between life processes and industry-controlled information processes

01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:13.920
 And once you accept their terms, you're under their control

01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:42.920
 They simply own all of the systems. Google, all of the technology, Wikipedia, social media, all of these are being censored and controlled from the top down

01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:58.920
 So you have to back up and start thinking in terms of living organisms who live in connection with and on the basis of the Earth processes

01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:15.920
 And so you have to start thinking of life processes depending on ecosystems and the Earth, not on information systems

01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:40.920
 And in that situation, you see that what used to be the right-wing corporate aligned system and the left-wing common worker interest

01:07:40.920 --> 01:08:09.920
 Every living being now has to be thought of as a member of life process with what used to be the right-wing as a taking of the simple role of manipulator and attempt to control the world

01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:21.920
 So just to summarize, just so I know that I got this somewhat right, so you're saying there is basically a parallel reality that has been formed by these technocratic authoritarians

01:08:21.920 --> 01:08:30.920
 And they've kind of hijacked our more natural instincts and just our zest for life and being as communities just like animals are

01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:40.920
 And they've presented this quantized view of reality that we have all started succumbing to and therefore everyone's vision is now at the same place

01:08:40.920 --> 01:09:03.920
 And they, for example, are calling the Democratic Party the left-wingers. They're humanistic people in both parties, but they don't subscribe to the fascist rules

01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:20.920
 The leadership of both Republican and Democratic parties are subscribed to the rules of fascism, the digital culture explanation

01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:33.920
 I see. Okay, that makes sense. So let's say people want to eject out of this reality and I guess some have to be somewhat plugged in to rescue the others

01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:48.920
 But what would be a new paradigm that we could set up? Would we just go back to living as smaller communities and trading, coming up with our own monetary system being as self-reliant as possible?

01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:52.920
 Would that be the way forward out of this fabricated reality?

01:09:52.920 --> 01:10:17.920
 Yeah, yeah. Direct, avoiding money where possible, but using direct money, avoiding banks and the various electronic money systems, direct interactions on all levels as far as possible

01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:31.920
 And working our way out of these increasingly artificial intelligence-controlled systems

01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:41.920
 I think we should even avoid, wherever possible, doing business over the internet

01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:57.920
 When you call a corporation, increasingly we're being put on hold and then answered by someone who doesn't know what they're doing

01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:17.920
 Nothing seems to be directly operated by living intelligent beings anymore. Everything is operated by blind algorithms, control systems

01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:24.920
 It seems that for their fabricated reality to go on, they really need this 5G to take off

01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:37.920
 Yeah, that's the catalyst for the last stage, or the death phase of the culture

01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:43.920
 Scary stuff, yeah. I'm really trying to inform people about the dangers of that at least

01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:48.920
 I'm trying to find some avenue to get through to people with and hopefully they can connect the dots themselves

01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:55.920
 Believe it or not, even telling people about the planned obsolescence of items somewhat wakes them up

01:11:55.920 --> 01:12:10.920
 So, in terms of morality, because morality is going to come into the equation, I believe, at some point, even if we become these independent individuals who work in communities

01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:17.920
 Where do you think the basis of morality comes from, or where should it come from? What is the criteria that we can judge morality by?

01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:39.920
 In my teens, I read a cozier of the anarchist who was a biologist

01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:53.920
 He demonstrated cooperation rather than competition was the basic rule in the whole world of organisms

01:12:53.920 --> 01:13:05.920
 Cooperation comes first, and competition is a minor factor in biological reality

01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:14.920
 And I think that really is where our morality comes from

01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:28.920
 On the internet, you can find examples of squirrels or other organisms acting with altruism

01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:35.920
 between heroic things to save their fellow organisms

01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:44.920
 And that's, when I say, referring to a biological manner of thinking

01:13:44.920 --> 01:14:09.920
 The analog reality is also the moral reality, a world of Christian ideals are basically biologically affirming principles of concern for others

01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:19.920
 All of the great moralities and religious systems are biologically logical systems

01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:36.920
 Capitalism invented the idea of survival of the fittest, and competition for improvement, and meritocracy, and so on

01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:49.920
 And that's actually what they mean, money-based merit, the Trump mentality basically

01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:56.920
 Human values is kind of in billions or billions of dollars

01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:09.920
 Yeah, I personally am a believer in the Abrahamic religions, and that's partially what had woken me up in what you just said to the more analog, biologically compatible view of what life is

01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:17.920
 But what do you think was the origin of this spirituality, these morals that came about for people

01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:28.920
 Is it indicative of a greater being that gave this to us, almost like he knew that this was appropriate, or do you think it was created by the needs of the people by themselves

01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:33.920
 Because they saw a need for some altruistic belief system

01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:52.920
 Yeah, you can see it operating like Kropotkin did, if you study communities of living organisms at every level, you can see cooperation

01:15:52.920 --> 01:16:03.920
 Fish, birds, small mammals, big mammals, all living beings show these properties

01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:17.920
 And I think it's a universal principle that exists in atoms

01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:28.920
 The digital culture has taught us that every atom of an element is the same as every other atom

01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:37.920
 It has no history, it's simply an irreducible unit

01:16:37.920 --> 01:17:02.920
 But if you look from the analog point of view, another researcher who reached cosmic ideas by studying the soil and chemistry, Bernanski

01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:08.920
 He described an organism as a foral wind of atoms

01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:16.920
 And if you view it that way, each atom has its place in the foral wind

01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:21.920
 And so each atom has a history

01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:29.920
 And this atom doesn't have the same history as the other atom

01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:41.920
 And old chemistry classes used to speak of nascent oxygen, newly formed oxygen

01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:48.920
 And its chemical reactivity as being radically different from old oxygen

01:17:48.920 --> 01:18:05.920
 And that has been discarded from the textbooks because it didn't go with the digital thinking in which every atom is simply out of time

01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:24.920
 An immortal being, except when nuclear fission happens, and that is not anything intrinsic to the being, but simply a numerical mystery

01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:47.920
 So I think ultimately the ability of each atom to resonate and relate to its surroundings in a unique way depending on where in the foral wind it is

01:18:47.920 --> 01:19:14.920
 Bertrand Russell, who did a lot for the digital way of doing logic, recognized that we have a basic choice of seeing whether every bit of the world at every atom or every person or organism

01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:25.920
 is definable in relation to its surroundings, where it is in the foral wind of life

01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:32.920
 Every moment is different because of its surroundings

01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:40.920
 And your history is changing constantly as you add new things to your history

01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:49.920
 So every being is unique in its time and place

01:19:49.920 --> 01:20:03.920
 And you can see that as a resonance of its being, which is taking its definition from its surroundings

01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:22.920
 And you have actual, for example, electronic affinity is different depending on what other atoms or beings are in its neighborhood

01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:37.920
 If you connect a string of carbon atoms, each atom has a different reactivity electronically depending on where in the chain it is

01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:47.920
 And if you add an oxygen to the chain, that changes the reactivity of carbons farther down the line

01:20:47.920 --> 01:21:07.920
 And if you introduce a carbon dioxide molecule into the vicinity, that suddenly affects the reactivity of all of the electron groups and properties of every atom in its vicinity

01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:26.920
 So that kind of electronic interaction, affinity and attraction or repulsion, that resonance or energetic interaction with its surroundings

01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:38.920
 That gives a shaping influence, a personality and individuality to every part of existence

01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:55.920
 So starting from atoms and molecules and working your way up, you see that these interactive, essentially cooperative processes are universal

01:21:55.920 --> 01:22:01.920
 They're the basic rule of construction of the world

01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:09.920
 That's great, sounds very purposeful, I think that's a good way to describe that

01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:14.920
 I just want to take a quick break, remind people that they're listening to the Primitive Initiative Podcast

01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.920
 And I have Dr. Ray Peat here with me as my guest

01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:31.920
 You can find his articles on www.raypeat.com, you can also sign up for his bimonthly newsletter at raypeatsnewsletter@gmail.com

01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:35.920
 And you can also request his books from there in digital format

01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:45.920
 So Dr. Peat, that was an amazing summary of that, so would you say then that those things kind of operate similarly to the bystander effect

01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:51.920
 Where it's like just being in things vicinity, they don't have to be touching, they can just be around each other

01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:56.920
 And there's this large influence over every organism, even if they're not close

01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:12.920
 In the 1930s, in the early 1940s, everyone in biology recognized the bystander effect in different forms

01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:21.920
 They called it the field, the developmental field, for example

01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:37.920
 And psychologists, physicists, tumor researchers recognized that there was a cancer field

01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:44.920
 That there were creations in the organism surrounding the cancer

01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:50.920
 But the digital people wiped that out entirely

01:23:50.920 --> 01:24:07.920
 The Gestalt psychology disappeared in the 50s, the field thinking in embryology and developmental biology in general, especially in the understanding of cancer

01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:18.920
 Cancer became a digital event, a specific mutation in a specific gene or multiple genes

01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:27.920
 Making a single cell absolutely unique and different and cancerous

01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:38.920
 But the neighboring cell had nothing to do with it because it was an intrinsic event in the DNA only

01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:47.920
 That became an insane dogma that led to the insane war on cancer

01:24:47.920 --> 01:25:02.920
 Based on the idea of a mutant gene or in the absence of an intrinsic gene that then became a virus

01:25:02.920 --> 01:25:15.920
 And for ten years they insisted that there was either an oncogene or an oncogenic virus integrated into the genes

01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:24.920
 It had to be on the genetic level because that's where digital reality exists for these people

01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:33.920
 And they insisted that the genes controlled the cell and therefore the organism

01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:44.920
 And that's where their digital reality impinged on and destroyed science

01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:54.920
 That the idea that a gene controls the organism was the same basic idea that Klaus Schwab has now

01:25:54.920 --> 01:26:02.920
 That artificial intelligence will control the world life process

01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:12.920
 So speaking of these analog and digital realities, certain creationists dismiss evolution completely

01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:17.920
 And certain evolution proponents dismiss creationism completely

01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:26.920
 Where do you view their conjoining points? Do they have some similar ground that they can agree on somewhere?

01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:37.920
 William Jennings Bryan, the presidential candidate who was humiliated in the Scopes trial

01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:48.920
 He was a creationist and a Bible literalist who they made fun of in the trial

01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:59.920
 He was actually anti-eugenics. He was talking about the evil that these people were doing

01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:07.920
 That genes control everything and therefore there's a hierarchy of beings

01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:18.920
 English aristocracy down to apes, and everyone had their place in between

01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:24.920
 And four people were just above apes, for example

01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:39.920
 And William Jennings Bryan was defending humanity and life itself against this fascist eugenics doctrine

01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:50.920
 But he really did because he tried to explain everything in strictly biblical terms

01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:54.920
 But he was basically on the right side

01:27:54.920 --> 01:28:08.920
 So in the graduate school, all of my professors were extreme genetics apologists

01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:18.920
 And that is essentially committed to a eugenics understanding of reality, which led quite a few of them

01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:28.920
 The outstanding personalities in the Molecular Biology Institute, for example

01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:46.920
 were admirers or worshippers of Conrad Lorenz, who was the ideological expert

01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:59.920
 who pleased the explicit details of eugenics for Hitler, and Conrad Lorenz won the Nobel Prize

01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:20.920
 in training Hitler's doctrine to the very end of his principles of eugenics and determinism of all life processes

01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:28.920
 So in terms of everything, I believe they think most of the things that are happening genetically are random

01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.920
 But then they also say that the environment has a part in it

01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:37.920
 So are they contradicting themselves, or what are they trying to do?

01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:48.920
 They've been forced by reality to say, "Well, yes, there is an environment, and yes, maybe we're forced to say that it has an effect on us

01:29:48.920 --> 01:30:12.920
 But in fairly recent times, I've talked to lots of doctors and professors who said, for example, that the health of a pregnant woman has no effect whatsoever on her baby's outcome

01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:21.920
 Absolutely contradicting the human experience as well as all of the animal research

01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:30.920
 The developing brain is absolutely shaped by others' health and experiences

01:30:30.920 --> 01:30:42.920
 And so that principle is still being applied by doctors who insist on vaccinating their pregnant patients during pregnancy

01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:51.920
 A criminal act which is officially confirmed by World Health Organization and CDC

01:30:51.920 --> 01:30:57.920
 I think they were even calling for testing the COVID vaccine on pregnant women

01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:03.920
 Yeah, that's a crime against humanity, they even proposed it

01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.920
 Almost, if they hadn't been paying attention to this up until then

01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:35.920
 No, right down in the last week, it makes a difference

01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:44.920
 The brain should be developing new brain cells the whole last trimester

01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:54.920
 But in fact, there are more brain cells than the average baby that six months of development than at birth

01:31:54.920 --> 01:32:06.920
 because they just aren't getting enough sugar and protein and progesterone to support the growth and maturation of these cells

01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:22.920
 So the potential cortical cells that should be complexifying the cortex of the brain, they're dying out during the last trimester

01:32:22.920 --> 01:32:24.920
 when they shouldn't be maturing

01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:28.920
 So it's almost never too late to get proper nutrition

01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:43.920
 Yeah, even at birth, if the baby is premature and you make sure they get breast milk and a progesterone supplement through the skin, for example, or through the mother

01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:53.920
 if the mother makes sure her progesterone is good then her breast milk will sustain the baby's premature brain development

01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:59.920
 Is it true that babies are born deficient in vitamin D, or is that because mothers are highly deficient?

01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:13.920
 The mothers are deficient. They have taken the saying that babies are born deficient in polyunsaturated fatty acids

01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:30.920
 because they have their own Omega-9 series of polyunsaturated fatty acids. Those are the ones naturally made to sustain proper brain function

01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:44.920
 As soon as you start eating environmental pollutants such as fish oil or flaxseed oil, those start getting incorporated into the brain

01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:55.920
 And since old people have brains full of fish oil, they say that the babies are lacking those as a deficiency

01:33:55.920 --> 01:34:11.920
 But I think we should take the newborn brain in the healthy baby as an example of how the brain should continue developing

01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:29.920
 When they have supplemented human patients with highly polyunsaturated fatty acids, they were arguing that this should improve learning and brain development

01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:40.920
 What they found was that the babies were undersized naturally, restricting their overall growth. It was restricting their brain growth

01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:49.920
 So that has been demonstrated not only in rats and dogs, but actually in French human beings

01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:57.920
 Adding poofa during pregnancy retards brain development

01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:06.920
 So supplementing with these highly unsaturated fatty acids, does the mother not oxidize those herself and it doesn't damage the babies?

01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:16.920
 To a great extent, they break down before getting into the blood circulation and reaching the baby

01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:25.920
 But to the extent that there is excess taken in, some of it will reach the baby's brain

01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:34.920
 The baby is being harmed, but maybe the mother is being harmed even more

01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:44.920
 Talking about vitamin D, there's been a large surge concerning vitamin D and how it's toxic and never to be taken

01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:50.920
 And it displaces and imbalances many nutrients including magnesium and vitamin A

01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:58.920
 I know there's some truth to that, if you overdo anything, you can cause differing levels in other nutrients

01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:04.920
 But could you kind of help offer clarity? What's being said is that you only need the active form

01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:07.920
 Or not only, but that's what you'd be trying to increase

01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:14.920
 And by taking vitamin D supplements, you are increasing your storage form and that doesn't say anything

01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:20.920
 Who is saying that? I've been hearing that someone is terribly confused

01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:24.920
 His name is Morley Robbins

01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:26.920
 What was the last name?

01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:30.920
 Morley Robbins, R-O-B-B-I-N-S

01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:40.920
 He actually shares a lot of the same sentiments as you when it comes to liking copper and reducing iron and talking about iron toxicity

01:36:40.920 --> 01:36:53.920
 But he's very against vitamin D saying that it reduces vitamin A and therefore copper availability and ceruloplasmin and all of these downstream things

01:36:53.920 --> 01:37:00.920
 All of that is horribly confused, there are places on the internet now

01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:09.920
 I just flat out say, "Kelsey trial is vitamin D"

01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:18.920
 The official terminology is that "Kelsey trial is activated vitamin D"

01:37:18.920 --> 01:37:34.920
 But "Kelsey dial" is a beneficial form, not a storied form, it's the active form that acts as a neurosteroid, for example

01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:45.920
 It affects physiology, the function, as well as the expression of genes in the brain and other tissues

01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:54.920
 The way a storied hormone, a DHEA or a pragmatic one, modifies the tissue

01:37:54.920 --> 01:38:02.920
 It might not be active in the sense of having been converted by the kidney

01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:13.920
 But that process, the "Kelsey trial", that's the form that when they use it, topically, for example, on the cornea

01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:19.920
 It indeed damages the healing process

01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:27.920
 If you take it internally, it intensifies calcification of blood vessels and kidneys

01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:33.920
 It's the toxic, dangerous vitamin D

01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:49.920
 You don't undertake activated vitamin D, that is properly thought of as the dangerous last stage of vitamin D handling

01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:54.920
 Which is increased in proportion to your vitamin D deficiency

01:38:54.920 --> 01:39:04.920
 When you're not getting enough calcium and/or vitamin D from sunlight or diet

01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:13.920
 and a rich source of calcium in the diet relative to phosphate, your parathyroid hormone increases

01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:23.920
 And in the process, it increases a lot of degenerative processes

01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:35.920
 It causes the removal of calcium from your bones, the increase of calcium in your arteries and other soft tissues

01:39:35.920 --> 01:39:43.920
 And it increases the activation of vitamin D

01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:52.920
 So the active form, so-called, is chemically 1,25-dihydroxycholicalciferol

01:39:52.920 --> 01:40:04.920
 The good kind is either cholicalciferol, which is formed by the action of sunlight

01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:15.920
 cholesterol, or the liver-modified 25-hydroxycholicalciferol

01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:24.920
 That is the kind we take, that's the kind that increases when we take cholicalciferol

01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:40.920
 It's activated in the liver and becomes the beneficial, protective, immune-supportive, anti-inflammatory, anti-fibrotic vitamin D

01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:53.920
 The 1,25-dihydroxycholicalciferol is the form that causes degenerative disease, aging, and calcification of tissues

01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:57.920
 Sounds a lot like what parathyroid hormone would do

01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:11.920
 Exactly, it parallels the actions of parathyroid hormone and stress, it's increased under the influence of stress and vitamin D deficiency

01:41:11.920 --> 01:41:15.920
 He also argues that what's going on is that it's actually a magnesium deficiency

01:41:15.920 --> 01:41:21.920
 Now I'm not arguing that magnesium isn't needed, of course it is, but he's saying that people should not take vitamin D

01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:31.920
 and should just take magnesium to help all conversions, ultimately ending at calcitriol

01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:42.920
 I don't think magnesium helps, I think it hinders if anything, the conversion to calcitriol

01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:52.920
 Does it have a role?

01:41:52.920 --> 01:42:06.920
 There's been one who really sorted this out, their study of Closol, the anti-aging protein, K-L-O-T-H-O

01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:20.920
 It's strongly a regulator of calcium preventing the calcium degenerative cell death process that happens in aging

01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:31.920
 So if you're deficient in Closol, your tissues prematurely calcify and increase phosphates in the diet

01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:46.920
 It acts like a Closol deficiency and increased calcium, which leads Closol to keep your parathyroid hormone under control

01:42:46.920 --> 01:42:59.920
 And Closol is in a tight control process with the active vitamin D or 1,25-dihydroxy

01:42:59.920 --> 01:43:07.920
 I think I've heard you talk about Dr. Michael Hollick before in his research on vitamin D

01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:16.920
 He mentioned that they actually came up with a 1,25-D product for people with kidney failure

01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:20.920
 In that circumstance, would it be necessary or no?

01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:30.920
 I doubt that, I think it's a major factor that is developed in relation to kidney failure

01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:39.920
 Oh, okay, because he said he was trying to get their vitamin D up with 25, or giving them colocalciferol

01:43:39.920 --> 01:43:43.920
 But ended up having to synthesize 1,25 and give it to them

01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:47.920
 It was in one of his power points or slides

01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:57.920
 I haven't seen that, but most of the people who write in power points seem to lose touch with their reality

01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:00.920
 I don't have too much contact with their computer

01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:05.920
 But you do agree with some of the things that Michael Hollick does say, right?

01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.920
 Yeah, most of the things he says are very good

01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:11.920
 Okay, sounds good. Well, thank you for clarifying that

01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:15.920
 There's just been a lot of information coming out, according to that

01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:19.920
 And I'd always listened to your suggestions on it, especially with the Clotho gene

01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:24.920
 Which I always found to be very interesting and watched several things on that myself to try to understand it better

01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:29.920
 So I live in Minnesota, so we have winter for a long time, and it's very dark

01:44:29.920 --> 01:44:36.920
 So if somebody got enough sun during the short 3-4 month summer where the sun's angle is appropriate

01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:40.920
 Would they need to supplement vitamin D throughout the winter, or no?

01:44:40.920 --> 01:44:42.920
 I think so

01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:48.920
 Okay, so it's something that you think should be supplemented year-round unless you live in the tropics or something?

01:44:48.920 --> 01:45:00.920
 If you don't work outdoors, or if you're a lifeguard or something, spending 8 hours at the beach

01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:10.920
 Then you might have 2 or 3 times the normal amount of vitamin D in your blood

01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:18.920
 130 nanograms remotely, I think, is typical for a summer lifeguard

01:45:18.920 --> 01:45:30.920
 But people who work in sheltered areas, even in the summer, they're going to have a relative vitamin D deficiency

01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:41.920
 Okay, wow, so you're saying that measuring your 25D would be the way to go to figure out whether you need supplementation

01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:52.920
 Yeah, if you want to find out how sick you are, then you can make sure the 125-dihydroxy, that goes up when you're desperately sick

01:45:52.920 --> 01:46:03.920
 So you and I talked about the novel virus last interview, and there's been a lot of reports coming out that vitamin D is helping people with this supposed illness

01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:10.920
 Or any illness, and we kind of talked about whether this thing is actually a virus or these exosomes that we talk about

01:46:10.920 --> 01:46:13.920
 But either way, something does make the individual sick

01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:20.920
 So these things benefiting that individual, is that just because it's reinforcing the whole organism to operate the way it should?

01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:36.920
 Yeah, vitamin D and all of the anti-inflammatory processes are making our energy production more efficient

01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:50.920
 And that makes our surfaces more resistant to attack by foreign organisms or chemicals

01:46:50.920 --> 01:47:08.920
 Everything that improves energy tightens up our cellular structure and makes it resistant to damage

01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:29.920
 The immune system is really a healthy living process. Every cell that is producing energy and consuming oxygen, producing carbon dioxide, is part of our immune system

01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:39.920
 The antibody-producing cells are another late stage, not the immune system at all

01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:46.920
 But they're part of a clean-up process after injury has occurred

01:47:46.920 --> 01:48:10.920
 The antibodies help to identify damaged tissue, and in the process, if a microorganism is associated with the damaged tissue, the antibodies will attach themselves to the microorganism

01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:18.920
 And get rid of it, too, that their basic function is to clean up any damaged tissue

01:48:18.920 --> 01:48:26.920
 So there's something that appears on the scene in response to injury

01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:35.920
 And if you can keep your vitality so high that you don't get injured, then you don't beat the antibodies

01:48:35.920 --> 01:48:41.920
 You have full immunity at the basic level

01:48:41.920 --> 01:48:51.920
 Would it be far-fetched to say that somebody who's operating at a high level of metabolism and vitality would almost never feel symptoms of anything?

01:48:51.920 --> 01:49:13.920
 Right, and there are always, even in plagues, well-fed generally, well-chaired for people

01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:22.920
 There are always people who are not only resistant to the plague, but don't develop antibodies to it

01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:27.920
 That's because their basic resistance is so high

01:49:27.920 --> 01:49:38.920
 So the immune system, the so-called immune system and its activation is actually, and if you can feel that, it's probably a good indication that something might not be completely right in your body

01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:49.920
 Yeah, the weaker your system is, the more damage occurs with less cause

01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:57.920
 And so the more likely it is to get triggered to produce lots of antibodies

01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:07.920
 High estrogen people overproduce antibodies because their basic cellular resistance is lower

01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:23.920
 And that's why the higher your estrogen is in relation to stabilizing hormones, the more likely you are to develop the autoimmune diseases

01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:49.920
 And, in other words, all of your tissues are tending to deteriorate, and the last ditch attempt of your body to save itself is to overproduce these antibodies, which are part of the system intended to remove damaged tissues

01:50:49.920 --> 01:51:10.920
 Talking about the immune system and the vaccination propaganda that's going around, do you think that we're going to suffer some major consequences from people being vaccinated for illnesses where antibodies or some form of defense was transferred from the mother to the child or to the baby?

01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:19.920
 Is that being compromised to where these children are going to get sick at weird times throughout their life instead of the normal times for measles and stuff like that?

01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:47.920
 I think we're already seeing it starting about 30 years ago. Kids started developing autoimmune and allergic diseases at a much higher rate. It's an epidemic now, and I think it corresponded greatly to the crazy campaign in the 1970s

01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:50.920
 to vaccinate more and more people.

01:51:50.920 --> 01:52:00.920
 Okay, so these mothers aren't transferring the information that they need to be transferring because they're getting vaccinated? Is that a good way to look at it or no?

01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:10.920
 Yeah, or are they transmitting defective information, harmful inflammatory signals?

01:52:10.920 --> 01:52:29.920
 Okay, I see. One more question here, kind of along the lines of vitamin D. Because we're going to exit daylight savings pretty soon and it's going to get dark relatively fast, do you think there would be a benefit in extending the light, almost mimicking summertime light in the winter?

01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:32.920
 If somebody decides to stay up?

01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:49.920
 Yes, I've been advocating that for a long time. Just visible light has a very strong biological effect, but visible light plus vitamin D is the very best.

01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:58.920
 And I use red lights or the heating lamps that have the red tint over them?

01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:07.920
 Yeah, the red is the most anti-inflammatory component of visible light.

01:53:07.920 --> 01:53:21.920
 Okay, so my question was then that that wouldn't be harmful because part of me thought maybe I'm filtering the light too much and my body's still perceiving darkness somewhat so it might be having a stress response as opposed to the clear bulbs.

01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:39.920
 Well, it's the heating lamps, the 250 watt, but when it has that red filter it has a red tint which then diminishes the amount of light.

01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:52.920
 Yeah, that's just taking some of the useful white light out. It isn't adding any red to have the red glass of both.

01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:58.920
 So that doesn't start to produce any stress hormones by filtering that light then?

01:53:58.920 --> 01:54:10.920
 Only in the sense of absent brightness. Brightness itself helps to keep your alertness up.

01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:29.920
 So if you're getting enough brightness with only the red light, like sitting in a darkened room with only red light, it tends to slow down and lack stimulation.

01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:35.920
 Okay, so you could have red lights, you just want the light intensity to be enough where your body perceives the light.

01:54:35.920 --> 01:54:40.920
 Yeah, so that you feel alert and stimulated by the brightness.

01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:50.920
 Okay, that's good to know, yeah. Or else if you didn't want to do that then the best thing would be to just go to sleep right when it gets dark pretty much, right?

01:54:50.920 --> 01:54:52.920
 Yeah.

01:54:52.920 --> 01:55:01.920
 Okay, that would help to mitigate some of the stress of darkness. How are you doing on time? I just have about one question left for you.

01:55:01.920 --> 01:55:09.920
 Okay, I was having a back and forth with Chris Masterjohn. I know that you're familiar with him.

01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:23.920
 And I was kind of quoting some of your research and Gilbert Ling and Gerald Pollock and we were having a back and forth about the necessity of the essential fatty acids when it comes to the cell membranes or the so-called cell membranes.

01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:43.920
 And he said that Ling never argued that the cell doesn't have a membrane and I said I know I was just more so implying that if these pumps are flawed and the energy isn't being produced enough in order to sustain these pumps, then there should be other things to look into, like the supposed membranes and receptors and channels.

01:55:43.920 --> 01:55:51.920
 So can you offer some clarity on the membrane of a cell and does that exist? Are there any lipids there?

01:55:51.920 --> 01:56:13.920
 If you look at the history of actual tests for whether there is a cell membrane, there are lots of publications, for example, showing that some cells don't contain enough phospholipids to cover the surface of the cell.

01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:23.920
 And so it has to be something other than the phospholipids they've settled on.

01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:48.920
 If you read all of the publications through the 1940s and '50s, it looks like just another propaganda thing built up to support the possibility that there is a membrane barrier with pumps, but the whole idea of a barrier.

01:56:48.920 --> 01:56:56.920
 That's where the need for a phospholipid bilayer came from.

01:56:56.920 --> 01:57:19.920
 Gilbert Lang showed that there is no such barrier. His isotope experiment shows that the minerals are freely moving back and forth at no barrier at all to their movement.

01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:27.920
 So the very reason that it was postulated was a misunderstanding.

01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:55.920
 But then when you look at the way they tried to present empirical evidence for such an unnecessary barrier, you see that old medical textbooks, if you had an ulcer, a burn, for example, that wasn't healing,

01:57:55.920 --> 01:58:11.920
 they proposed different ways to seal it up so you wouldn't leak fluids through the ulcerated burn, and one method was to create a false membrane on the ulcer.

01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:40.920
 And the way they did that was with heavy metal, particularly heavy metal, I can't think of right now, but it's used to sustain membranes.

01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:51.920
 I can tell you later, but it's the heavy metal that they used to create false membranes.

01:58:51.920 --> 01:59:03.920
 They began testing when they had access to electron microscopes that could see very fine structures.

01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:12.920
 They couldn't visualize any structure at all on the surface of cells that could correspond to a barrier membrane.

01:59:12.920 --> 01:59:26.920
 And finally someone decided to osmic acid, osmium tetroxide, as a compound that creates false membranes.

01:59:26.920 --> 01:59:37.920
 But when they couldn't demonstrate a microscopic structure at the surface of cells, someone decided to treat the cells with osmic acid.

01:59:37.920 --> 01:59:43.920
 And they, in fact, created a false membrane on the surface.

01:59:43.920 --> 02:00:12.920
 And their first sustaining of the cell membrane, it was 400 angstroms thick, and over the decades, as they changed their rules about what such a barrier might do,

02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:22.920
 and where the pumps might be, the theoretical membrane kept getting thinner and thinner.

02:00:22.920 --> 02:00:31.920
 And so they used different methods to make the stain produce a thinner and thinner membrane.

02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:52.920
 Until finally they got down to present very thin two layers of phospholipid with the acidic ends separated by the two layers of the carbon chains of fatty acids.

02:00:52.920 --> 02:01:06.920
 And their present staining with osmic acid produces two black layers separated by clear space.

02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:19.920
 And it's known that osmic acid has methylity for proteins and fats, but it, being an acid, it's repelled by acidic groups.

02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:33.920
 And the picture they present corresponds to the acidic heads of the phospholipids separated by the appropriate distance.

02:01:33.920 --> 02:01:50.920
 But these heads, the hypothetical heads of the phospholipids, are black because they are binding osmic acid.

02:01:50.920 --> 02:02:07.920
 And acid head groups are specifically brought with the unstained, and the single layer of fatty acid chains between those two layers would be stained black.

02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:15.920
 So you'd see a single fat layer stained by osmic tetroxide.

02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:30.920
 So the very stain that they had decided would demonstrate their barrier membrane where the pumps operate turns out to be totally illogical.

02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:33.920
 And at that point they just don't want to talk anymore.

02:02:33.920 --> 02:02:39.920
 So the phospholipid is there though, or membrane is there, or it's just being stained?

02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:53.920
 Well, the osmium definitely can't be representing the structures that they show on the internet and in textbooks,

02:02:53.920 --> 02:03:07.920
 because the black lines are separated by the appropriate distance of two layers of fatty acids.

02:03:07.920 --> 02:03:18.920
 But osmic acid would stain a single layer of such a fat.

02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:42.920
 So I think my interpretation is as good as any that at any phase change, the cell being a living phase of substance surrounded by a more or less amorphous extracellular material,

02:03:42.920 --> 02:03:53.920
 you have a phase difference where the water structure is ordered inside in a different way than outside.

02:03:53.920 --> 02:04:20.920
 And where you have a phase difference, you get an electrical double layer, and you can stain an electrical double layer at any ionized particle near a surface where there's a phase change between one substance and another with different electrical properties.

02:04:20.920 --> 02:04:40.920
 You will have an electrical double layer, and if you have a visualizable ionic material, that will distribute itself representing an electrical double layer,

02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:56.920
 which any simple oil suspended in water, for example, that there will be an electrical double layer at the surface.

02:04:56.920 --> 02:05:10.920
 So I think what we're seeing is simply a phase bound to the electrical double layer, which is stainable with any ionized particle.

02:05:10.920 --> 02:05:21.920
 Do you think this cell would be non-visible if it wasn't for the staining? Would it just mix in with the rest of the fluids? Would you not be able to see it?

02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:40.920
 Oh, yeah, the electron microscope showed that they had many different stains, and the different phase properties always concentrated any visualizable substance differently.

02:05:40.920 --> 02:05:58.920
 Without a stain, you would see a different texture inside and outside the cell, and any electron opaque material would distribute itself differently.

02:05:58.920 --> 02:06:19.920
 So you see different arrangements, but the osmium staining or sulfur staining or any of the things that are visible to an electron microscope,

02:06:19.920 --> 02:06:40.920
 if you deprive a cell of oxygen, you see it becoming more and more stainable to these positively ionized metal particles.

02:06:40.920 --> 02:07:01.920
 The positive charge of silver, for example, will gradually increase in a gray diffused manner, increasing in proportion to the oxygen deprivation of the tissue,

02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:13.920
 so that you're increasing the electron richness of the protein substance of the cytoplasm.

02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:40.920
 And in that condition, you'll be repelling acidic compounds, so the staining would be reduced by oxygen deprivation for acids and increased for alkaline things such as heavy metals.

02:07:40.920 --> 02:07:58.920
 Would the imagery change depending on the state of the cell, and if you're oxidizing or fermenting your fuel, would that, because then the concentration of CO2 is changing and so is lactate and ammonia?

02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:08.920
 Every different substance causes some structural changes, as well as stainability changes.

02:08:08.920 --> 02:08:35.920
 Just for fun, once I tried fixing a cell for the electron microscope with an acid, I forget the name of it, but it was, I think, a 6 or 8 carbon dicarbic cell, like acid chain with acid group on each end.

02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:45.920
 And when I stained with that, I found the appearance of membranes all the way through the cell.

02:08:45.920 --> 02:09:05.920
 So it looked like an onion, if you slice an onion, you see these layer after layer of substance, a slight distinction between the layers.

02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:08.920
 Do you know what may have caused that?

02:09:08.920 --> 02:09:37.920
 Yeah, I think that the toxic effect, these dicarbic cell-like acids were hardening the protein, but as it was absorbed, it would reorganize a layer, and as it went deeper, the cytoplasm was reacting.

02:09:37.920 --> 02:10:02.920
 Sequentially, sort of the resistance to being hardened of the cytoplasm would go in waves, so it's sort of a functional wave that passes through the cell causing a frozen wave effect.

02:10:02.920 --> 02:10:17.920
 Okay. From your descriptions and your articles and your interviews, I've come to understand the cell's ability and its affinity for certain minerals over others and carbon dioxide having a major role in that.

02:10:17.920 --> 02:10:30.920
 But when it comes to the so-called receptors, how can we make sense of these receptors and how drugs function and how even VDR, vitamin D receptor, what are these receptors really?

02:10:30.920 --> 02:10:45.920
 They are proteins, natural proteins, but you keep identifying new things that count as receptors.

02:10:45.920 --> 02:11:14.920
 It just depends on how you're looking. First crude glands with a stainable substance, for example, will identify a certain number of proteins throughout the cell, maybe on the surface or in the nucleus or randomly distributed.

02:11:14.920 --> 02:11:39.920
 If you change the nature of the molecule a little bit, then you will start turning up things with a lower affinity.

02:11:39.920 --> 02:12:08.920
 You can eventually separate all of the proteins of the cell as having more or less affinity for any particular substance, anything you consider that can be dissolved into the cell is going to have greater or less affinity for any particular protein.

02:12:08.920 --> 02:12:27.920
 The proteins that have the most affinity are the most sensitive point of the cell in responding, but I think the proper way is to think of it as a leverage point.

02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:55.920
 It doesn't deny that the particular molecule is affecting many places that you haven't identified, but the most responsive places are called the receptor, but they are simply a point that is more sensitive than others.

02:12:55.920 --> 02:13:21.920
 If you created an organism lacking that particular receptor, the hormone will still have most of its effects, estrogen effects, are very independent of a particular receptor.

02:13:21.920 --> 02:13:30.920
 So it kind of sounds like a mechanistic way of describing it, kind of like a key in a lock instead of recognizing the complexities around it.

02:13:30.920 --> 02:13:58.920
 It took 20 years or so before people were recognizing that estrogen and progesterone, other hormones, could have what they call the cytoplasmic or membrane activity, attending for the fact that estrogen will within two or three minutes of exposing a cell to it.

02:13:58.920 --> 02:14:08.920
 The enzyme activities all through the cell are changing, but the receptor hasn't had time to go anywhere in the cell.

02:14:08.920 --> 02:14:25.920
 For 20 years, they were insisting that estrogen acted on the genes through its receptor, and that the receptor had to travel in and act on the gene, which would then cause the changes.

02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:44.920
 Meanwhile, people who were looking at other effects, electrical reactions, or water uptake, or activation of fats emphasizing enzymes and so on, all of this happens within seconds or minutes of exposure.

02:14:44.920 --> 02:15:06.920
 But the genetic doctrine took a good 20 years to get them to change their terminology, and now they say, "Well, there's the genetic effect and the membrane effect, or the cytoplasmic action of hormones."

02:15:06.920 --> 02:15:22.920
 If you look for any hormone, you'll see a cytoplasmic or so-called membrane effect that happens long before any genetic thing could be activated.

02:15:22.920 --> 02:15:35.920
 Wow. So when somebody says, "Oh, my disease is purely genetic," do you think there is any genetic malfunction or mutation that's independent of its environment?

02:15:35.920 --> 02:15:36.920
 No.

02:15:36.920 --> 02:15:43.920
 Yeah. It's very interesting. They make it seem like it's just a period out of thin air for no reason.

02:15:43.920 --> 02:16:04.920
 Yeah. That was very convenient for medicine. When viruses were discovered, they were popular. A person would come in with something the doctor didn't understand, and he would say, "Well, that's a virus. We'll give you an antibiotic."

02:16:04.920 --> 02:16:17.920
 When the virus story didn't work, they always had the genes. It's basically your fault. It's something you inherited.

02:16:17.920 --> 02:16:31.920
 Yeah. I wonder how they can justify its presence now, its increased presence now and not in the past. But then again, they say things like, "Well, we have better technology now, and we didn't know about things and diagnosis," blah, blah, blah.

02:16:31.920 --> 02:16:56.920
 You know, diabetes used to be a genetic disease, but in Israel, with the big immigration changes, it turned out that the European diet, people would come in, in the population, absolutely free of diabetes.

02:16:56.920 --> 02:17:10.920
 As soon as they start eating European-style food, their genetic potential for diabetes was suddenly realized.

02:17:10.920 --> 02:17:23.920
 Yeah. I have Somalian friends here in Minnesota, and they say, "Oh, whenever grandpa's diabetes acts up, we just send him back to Africa, and he comes back fine."

02:17:23.920 --> 02:17:31.920
 So, one last clarification on the cells. What are these channels? What is your interpretation of the channels?

02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:55.920
 Oh, the patch clamp. They would stick a membrane in and pull it out with something stuck on the end, which they said was a membrane, and then they could just have their membrane, no organism or cell involved.

02:17:55.920 --> 02:18:11.920
 But they could give the properties of the electronic behavior of the cell, supposedly by the electronic behavior of whatever was stuck on their microelectrode.

02:18:11.920 --> 02:18:38.920
 And that is where the single-channel electric properties of the cell originated, and someone decided to break off the very tip of this so-called membrane that they were studying and look at it under an electron microscope.

02:18:38.920 --> 02:18:48.920
 And they just saw a blob of ordinary cytoplasm. No membrane-like structure was visible at all.

02:18:48.920 --> 02:19:04.920
 And then someone decided to, if it was just an amorphous bit of cytoplasm, they decided to try amorphous bits of other polymeric jellies.

02:19:04.920 --> 02:19:29.920
 And with a great variety of different polymeric substances made into a group that was electronically conducted by having water solubility, they put it in a microelectrode the same way the cell had been treated,

02:19:29.920 --> 02:19:41.920
 and then they did their electronic setup and got the same single-channel electrical activity.

02:19:41.920 --> 02:20:01.920
 You get the channel conduction equivalent to a single impulse of a nerve. You get it with all kinds of different polymer jellies, nothing resembling a cell material.

02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:12.920
 Would it be fair to say that the cell almost resembles a ball of jello, matrix proteins, and nothing's floating around in there like a bag of water, right?

02:20:12.920 --> 02:20:28.920
 You know, it's that the polymer experiences an electrical field by reorganizing itself.

02:20:28.920 --> 02:20:46.920
 I took an egg and stuck two electrodes in it and put it on a hysteresis device that measures the resistance with increasing voltage versus decreasing voltage.

02:20:46.920 --> 02:20:57.920
 And the pure egg white showed an extreme learning effect.

02:20:57.920 --> 02:21:26.920
 And if you take a gob of that albumen, that sort of thing was what they did. Their channel experiment with the field itself creates an organization and creates a conductivity which discharging then causes a reorganization.

02:21:26.920 --> 02:21:41.920
 It creates a build-up of a new organ and so it quantizes the behavior just by the changing field and discharge effects.

02:21:41.920 --> 02:21:51.920
 So you create a functional channel just by the way you set up the measurement of it.

02:21:51.920 --> 02:22:00.920
 Dr. Peat, do you have any recommendations for people like me who are curious of cell physiology and what you deem to be a more accurate version of it?

02:22:00.920 --> 02:22:05.920
 Is there any resources or textbooks that you can direct us to besides your own resources, of course?

02:22:05.920 --> 02:22:22.920
 The University Library used to have lots of good resources but they've become less and less accessible.

02:22:22.920 --> 02:22:33.920
 They've created filters using digitization to make things less accessible.

02:22:33.920 --> 02:22:47.920
 Yeah, paywalls and stuff. I think I remember you saying in a KMUD Ask the Herb Doctor's radio show that you moved to Oregon because you wanted to be close to the library.

02:22:47.920 --> 02:22:51.920
 Do you still utilize the library and go to the library?

02:22:51.920 --> 02:23:05.920
 No, I was working in the library when our old librarian was about to retire and she was installing some of the new digital stuff.

02:23:05.920 --> 02:23:23.920
 And she saw me working with biological abstracts, the paper version. There were hundreds and hundreds of volumes of those and they were very useful and chemical abstracts.

02:23:23.920 --> 02:23:37.920
 She asked me to check some particular subjects so she could compare the digital version with the paper version.

02:23:37.920 --> 02:23:47.920
 And just in an hour or so I found several examples that had been deleted.

02:23:47.920 --> 02:23:57.920
 Censored, the digital version wasn't the complete representation of the paper volumes.

02:23:57.920 --> 02:24:13.920
 Wow, that's so disappointing to hear. This is why I value people like you so much who have retained this information and is sound enough to recall it and help inform the rest of us who are maybe half your age or even less like me.

02:24:13.920 --> 02:24:19.920
 And I really want to know this stuff going forward. We can't lose this stuff or people like you. It's too important.

02:24:19.920 --> 02:24:35.920
 Dr. Peat, I'd like to thank you so much for being here for this long. I hope I didn't keep you too long. You gave some amazing information and we had a great response for our first show. People loved it and hopefully they'll gain a lot from this too. Thank you so much.

02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:36.920
 Okay, thank you.

02:24:36.920 --> 02:24:38.920
 You have a good night.

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