WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 is in these papers by Kunliff and Atzinger. 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Okay, great. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:06.000 That's great stuff. 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:13.000 And if I could have one follow-up, I'd love to hear Ray. 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:19.080 I'm always very interested to hear him talk about the dead universe theory and biological 00:00:19.080 --> 00:00:20.520 fields, so I'll hang up. 00:00:20.520 --> 00:00:24.960 If there's anything you'd like to go into on that, I would be very interested to hear 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:25.960 it. 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:26.960 Thank you, Ray, and thank you, John. 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:27.960 All right. 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:28.960 Thanks a lot, Justin. 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:32.000 The which universe theory was it? 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.240 Justin, are you gone? 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:38.960 I think he said bio-universe, but I'm not sure. 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.680 Are you having trouble hearing, Ray, on your end? 00:00:41.680 --> 00:00:42.680 No. 00:00:42.680 --> 00:00:45.960 No, I just didn't get what kind of universe he said. 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:50.280 Maybe, yeah, I don't want to speculate. 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.960 Could it have been dead universe? 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:55.840 Oh, possibly. 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:05.320 I can, for example, if you want to look at another controversial video on the internet, 00:01:05.320 --> 00:01:17.600 Wallace or Wal Thornhill has some things on the electrical cosmos. 00:01:17.600 --> 00:01:22.840 I think his website is thunderbolt.com, if I remember. 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:23.840 Okay. 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:24.840 That sounds interesting. 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:25.840 We have another caller. 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:26.840 Are you there, caller? 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:27.840 Oh, no, this is Justin again. 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:28.840 I was just going to clarify. 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:40.200 I was just talking about the notion that the universe was dead and inert, and most of biology 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:43.440 was just kind of of that nature. 00:01:43.440 --> 00:01:47.280 Do you understand what I'm saying, Ray? 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.040 I certainly didn't get the word. 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:50.400 There was a bubble, right? 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:56.080 Yeah, he was saying that he was wondering that most of biology looks at the universe 00:01:56.080 --> 00:02:00.000 as being dead and inert and not a living system. 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:04.160 Okay, yeah. 00:02:04.160 --> 00:02:15.180 The field idea in biology, embryology as the model developing according to its interactions 00:02:15.180 --> 00:02:23.280 with the environment, that idea continued. 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:31.960 Some of the people who were developing experiments on trying to understand the rules by which 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:39.200 an organism takes form, some of these people were vitalists who believed there was something 00:02:39.200 --> 00:02:49.760 extra besides the matter, but at least they were interested in the actual events as the 00:02:49.760 --> 00:02:54.040 organism took form. 00:02:54.040 --> 00:03:04.020 They were knocked out of biology by the gene people who I would say are on the side of 00:03:04.020 --> 00:03:06.440 an inert cosmos. 00:03:06.440 --> 00:03:16.040 They want to explain things in terms of essentially immaterial information, and they're the ones 00:03:16.040 --> 00:03:26.200 who talk about the vitalists wanting to introduce a vital principle as being somehow against 00:03:26.200 --> 00:03:28.840 the materialism of science. 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:40.000 But the genetics people really want to depreciate the material world in favor of an information 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:49.360 world, and the idea of the central dogma was that the information that we have in our genes 00:03:49.360 --> 00:04:02.440 is immortal and can't be added to, and it can only be written out into mortal, temporary, 00:04:02.440 --> 00:04:07.640 imperfect organisms, but it's the timeless stuff. 00:04:07.640 --> 00:04:16.400 So really, the calling people like Dreesch a vitalist and saying that they weren't really 00:04:16.400 --> 00:04:24.800 biologists, it's kind of self-referential because the genetics people have thrown out 00:04:24.800 --> 00:04:31.160 most of the interesting stuff in biology until the last ten years or so. 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:34.280 When they're starting to get back to the field theory again. 00:04:34.280 --> 00:04:35.280 Yeah. 00:04:35.280 --> 00:04:37.800 Did you get that, Justin? 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:38.800 Yes, I did. 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:39.800 Thank you. 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:40.800 Okay. 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.480 And I'll hang up so someone else can get in touch. 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:44.480 Okay. 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:45.480 Thanks a lot for calling. 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:46.480 All right. 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:47.480 All right. 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:54.120 And the number again is 802-526-2326. 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.440 And I do have some questions here. 00:04:57.440 --> 00:05:00.800 Let me get to them before we get busy. 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:10.900 There's one from Brittany asking, let's see, "If you are trying to self-treat for hypothyroid 00:05:10.900 --> 00:05:17.720 based upon blood tests and symptoms, how much T4 would be considered too much to take? 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:25.320 And is T4 even necessary at all?" 00:05:25.320 --> 00:05:36.960 The problem with the commercialization of synthetic T4 that started in the late 40s 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:47.680 is that they tested it on male medical students who are about 25 years old and selected for 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:49.760 good health. 00:05:49.760 --> 00:05:56.400 And they found that it worked in them just like the real thyroid substance that had been 00:05:56.400 --> 00:06:03.200 in use for about 40, 50 years at that time. 00:06:03.200 --> 00:06:08.440 And the trouble is that it then became commercialized. 00:06:08.440 --> 00:06:16.320 And women have at least five times the incidence of thyroid problems because of the antagonism 00:06:16.320 --> 00:06:19.800 between estrogen and thyroid. 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:29.960 And the thyroid sluggishness that's so common in women shows up as a slow metabolism of 00:06:29.960 --> 00:06:32.240 the liver. 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:38.920 Usually a woman premenstrually will get drunk on a fraction of the alcohol that it takes 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:46.360 to make a man drunk because the liver is slowed down by the antagonism between estrogen and 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.000 thyroid and oxidative metabolism. 00:06:50.000 --> 00:07:00.480 And it happens that thyroxine has to be activated in the liver by taking off one of the iodines 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:07.040 in the right position to make it the active hormone called T3. 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:16.080 And so if women are having already low blood sugar symptoms or high estrogen symptoms, 00:07:16.080 --> 00:07:27.240 things that are the result of hypothyroidism, then T4 can very often not help or even make 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:30.000 the problem worse. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:37.000 Some experimenters took, they were trying to argue that thyroid does something other 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.120 than rev up the oxidative metabolism. 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:49.000 So they took slices of muscle and kidney and liver and brain and heart and added thyroxine 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:59.680 T4 to these cultured slices and saw that the liver had a tremendous burst of oxidative 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:09.000 activity but the kidneys didn't do much and the muscles didn't do anything and added to 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:15.280 the brain, it actually suppressed oxidative metabolism in the brain. 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:24.080 And so they said, you see oxidation isn't what thyroid really does, it just happens 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:27.840 that the liver responds that way. 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:34.560 But they were looking at the pre-hormone, the liver has to turn it into the active hormone 00:08:34.560 --> 00:08:38.880 before it can work in the muscles, kidneys, heart and brain. 00:08:38.880 --> 00:08:50.120 And what it turns out that the brain concentrates, the blood can have 40 times as much T4 as 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:58.240 the liver, if your liver is a little sluggish and your brain will still concentrate the 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:03.040 T3 to the point that it has a one to one ratio. 00:09:03.040 --> 00:09:11.640 And so if you put the brain slice in the dish where it can't get a new supply of T3 constantly, 00:09:11.640 --> 00:09:18.720 the added T4 can't do anything except displace some of the active hormone that the brain 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.120 had been concentrating at the one to one ratio. 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:30.520 So adding T4 to the brain in the culture dish, it caused suppression of metabolic activity 00:09:30.520 --> 00:09:40.540 and in people, you very often see it causing neurological symptoms, strange electrical 00:09:40.540 --> 00:09:51.160 sensations or ringing ears or worse memory, various things that are really signs of worse 00:09:51.160 --> 00:09:53.380 thyroid function. 00:09:53.380 --> 00:09:59.280 So it sounds like T4 probably is not, you shouldn't be taking very much of it if any 00:09:59.280 --> 00:10:02.600 at all, especially if you're a woman. 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:06.640 It's very good if you don't need it very much. 00:10:06.640 --> 00:10:16.120 So a lot of people take a mixture of T4 and T3 supposedly close to the physiological dose 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.000 of a one to five, I think it is. 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:25.840 Well the gland, if you take a human gland or a cow gland, it's close to a four to one 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:26.840 ratio. 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:27.840 Okay. 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:33.760 And is that a good mixture to take if you're supplementing your thyroid with it? 00:10:33.760 --> 00:10:40.360 Yeah, even a five to one mixture is okay. 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:48.600 The people who were insisting on still using the armor with its four to one ratio in the 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:58.280 1960s, as the pharmaceutical companies developed tests for diagnosing thyroid, they started 00:10:58.280 --> 00:11:07.760 noticing that the people who were taking thyroxine had maybe a 40 to one ratio of T4 to T3 in 00:11:07.760 --> 00:11:13.920 the blood, but the people who were taking armor had maybe a 10 to one or a five to one 00:11:13.920 --> 00:11:15.440 ratio. 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:23.000 And so they defined the people who were taking T4 as the normal and the ones who were taking 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.160 armor as having too much T3. 00:11:26.160 --> 00:11:34.080 But most doctors at that time weren't aware at all that T3 was the thyroid hormone. 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.560 Oh, I see. 00:11:36.560 --> 00:11:40.920 So they jumped to conclusions and were still stuck with some of those conclusions. 00:11:40.920 --> 00:11:51.680 Yeah, one of the ideas that spread quickly in the late 1940s when the first blood tests 00:11:51.680 --> 00:12:00.640 for thyroid came on the market around the same time as Synthroid, the T4 product, it 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:10.160 was the protein bound iodine test and where people like Broderbarnes had seen close to 00:12:10.160 --> 00:12:17.520 half of the population benefiting from some thyroid, which used to be part of the meat 00:12:17.520 --> 00:12:24.560 supply until the agriculture department said the meat companies could no longer sell it. 00:12:24.560 --> 00:12:33.320 But in Broderbarnes' time, he saw that somewhere between 20 and 45 percent of the people benefited 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.080 from taking some thyroid. 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:46.640 But these new blood tests in the late 40s found that 95 percent of the people had a 00:12:46.640 --> 00:12:55.200 fairly high level of iodine bound protein in the blood and that created the only 5 percent 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.920 need a thyroid supplement idea. 00:12:58.920 --> 00:13:05.760 But then by the 1960s, new tests came about and they realized that the protein bound iodine 00:13:05.760 --> 00:13:11.520 test had almost nothing to do with thyroid function, really nothing to do with thyroid 00:13:11.520 --> 00:13:14.000 function. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:24.560 So the standard that still persists widely, that only 5 percent of the population is potentially 00:13:24.560 --> 00:13:32.360 a candidate for supplement, the basis for establishing that had nothing to do with the 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:33.360 thyroid function. 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:39.960 Yeah, and I'm beginning to see that that's a common problem in science is that basically 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:45.680 conclusions get set in stone and then they never get revisited again. 00:13:45.680 --> 00:13:46.960 Yeah. 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:53.240 Lillia asks, there was a follow up question to that last one, let me just get that before 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:55.640 I move on because I'll lose it. 00:13:55.640 --> 00:14:01.200 Hang on a second, let me find that. 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:10.800 This is also, hang on, just a minute, here it is. 00:14:10.800 --> 00:14:14.040 Yes, it was an undigested food question. 00:14:14.040 --> 00:14:20.280 If you tend to constantly have excessive air, chest pressure, or feeling the need to burp, 00:14:20.280 --> 00:14:25.640 is that a sign of low stomach acid with undigested food causing problems or too much stomach 00:14:25.640 --> 00:14:30.480 acid and what would you do about it? 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:32.440 If you have any idea. 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:38.480 I basically know that a lot of different things can cause that. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:42.640 Some people can actually have reverse peristalsis. 00:14:42.640 --> 00:14:50.400 When you analyze burps, most of the time it's air that you've swallowed coming back, just 00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:53.600 plain perfect air. 00:14:53.600 --> 00:15:03.320 But sometimes you find other gases such as methane coming out in burps. 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:13.560 And Walder Albrecht, one of the interesting things he demonstrated was that it's pretty 00:15:13.560 --> 00:15:23.280 common for people to experience very, very intense reverse peristalsis. 00:15:23.280 --> 00:15:30.200 He put some lycopodium powder in his medical students' rectums when they went home for 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:31.200 the evening. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:39.640 I'm beginning to get the idea that I wonder who wanted to be in his medical class. 00:15:39.640 --> 00:15:46.560 He had them fill out a questionnaire saying whether they typically experienced morning 00:15:46.560 --> 00:15:54.360 breath and then when they came in in the morning after getting the lycopodium powder, he took 00:15:54.360 --> 00:16:02.160 a swab in their mouth and found lycopodium powder in the mouths of the ones who typically 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:05.160 had bad breath in the morning. 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:06.760 Wow. 00:16:06.760 --> 00:16:07.760 That's a little grim. 00:16:07.760 --> 00:16:16.280 I hope they didn't have girlfriends or boyfriends. 00:16:16.280 --> 00:16:22.080 But do you think most of the time the burping is just from swallowing air most likely? 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.880 Yeah, in the daytime. 00:16:24.880 --> 00:16:30.200 Most of the reverse peristalsis happens in the night. 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:39.080 If you're low thyroid, your autonomic nervous system tends to rev up compensating for the 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:50.560 low oxidative metabolism, it pushes it harder to increase your adrenaline in particular. 00:16:50.560 --> 00:16:55.360 Some of the other things, histamine and serotonin go up too. 00:16:55.360 --> 00:17:06.640 But the adrenaline tends to stop the forward propulsion of the peristalsis and then random 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:14.120 signals, irritation from something in your intestine can probably send waves going both 00:17:14.120 --> 00:17:24.160 directions and that probably is more common when your digestive system is slightly paralyzed 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:27.560 by very high adrenaline level. 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:28.560 Yeah. 00:17:28.560 --> 00:17:30.800 All right. 00:17:30.800 --> 00:17:35.120 Sheila asks, "What are your thoughts on multiple sclerosis? 00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:41.200 What causes it and how do you think it should best be treated?" 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:49.880 In the 70s, I saw a series of five people over a period of just maybe, I don't know, 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:52.160 a year or two I think. 00:17:52.160 --> 00:18:02.440 And as they told me their symptoms, I said, "That sounds like classical hypothyroidism." 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:13.080 And a couple of these people went to their old-fashioned doctors with a list of what 00:18:13.080 --> 00:18:19.440 they had just told me that their symptoms were and said, "Here are my symptoms. 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:20.440 What do I have?" 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:26.480 And the doctor said, "Hypothyroidism," and gave them thyroid. 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:35.720 And that series of five people in a row, every one of them discovered they didn't have multiple 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:41.200 sclerosis but rather just needed a thyroid supplement. 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:46.360 The same person asks, and this is definitely related, "Why do I feel bad after I accidentally 00:18:46.360 --> 00:18:49.800 took too much desiccated thyroid?" 00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:55.240 She increased it a little too fast over the course of a couple of weeks and she actually 00:18:55.240 --> 00:19:00.200 managed to get some raw thyroid from a butcher, which is interesting because that's something 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.680 I've been trying to do for a while unsuccessfully. 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.360 And she would like to know, "How long does it usually take for the thyroid to get back 00:19:07.360 --> 00:19:09.960 to normal when you stop eating it? 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:14.920 And is there anything to do about it getting to feel better quicker?" 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:22.920 Oh, well, people probably worry too much about it. 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:31.520 The T4 has a half-life of two weeks and T3 in different people can have a half-life as 00:19:31.520 --> 00:19:34.720 short as one day. 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:44.440 And so if you were getting a sudden overdose and your pulse went up maybe 150 beats per 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:57.000 minute at rest, in 48 hours probably you would have lost at least half of your T3, which 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:05.920 is the active stuff, and your liver would then be putting out just sort of a disposal 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:09.040 amount converting the T4 to T3. 00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:18.920 So usually if you took so much that you had a very fast 150-beat heart rate, in two days 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:25.920 you would probably be down to a fairly safe, comfortable 120 beats per minute. 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:26.920 I see. 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:31.520 And if you wanted to intervene and make that even a quicker transition? 00:20:31.520 --> 00:20:41.200 Yeah, I've seen some people who just suddenly spontaneously became hyperthyroid or who had 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:46.240 overdosed juicing cabbage raw. 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:54.000 It just takes a glass or two of that to very powerfully suppress your thyroid functions. 00:20:54.000 --> 00:21:00.040 It worked at several levels, but usually a glass or two a day for a couple of days and 00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:04.520 the person is back down to normal. 00:21:04.520 --> 00:21:05.520 And once you suppress... 00:21:05.520 --> 00:21:07.160 Oh, go ahead. 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.000 Well, liver is another suppressive food. 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:17.920 If you eat too big meals of liver, you can see a big decrease in thyroid function. 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.480 And how long does that suppression last from liver or cabbage? 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:26.920 If you eat something and say you're not hyperthyroid, you're just normal, whatever that is, and 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:31.200 you eat some liver, how long does it take for your thyroid to bounce back? 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:34.760 Is that also just a matter of a couple of days? 00:21:34.760 --> 00:21:35.760 Yeah. 00:21:35.760 --> 00:21:43.080 And the fear of suppressing your thyroid gland itself by taking too much thyroid, that has 00:21:43.080 --> 00:21:49.360 been tested by using isotopes that they could tell where the thyroid was coming from. 00:21:49.360 --> 00:21:55.360 So they would dose them until they could tell there was no thyroid being produced by their 00:21:55.360 --> 00:22:01.840 own gland, and then they stopped dosing them to see if there was any concern about prolonged 00:22:01.840 --> 00:22:03.280 suppression. 00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:07.920 And everyone's gland came right back in a couple of days. 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.680 Well, that's encouraging. 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:17.040 So you can supplement your thyroid without fear of permanently taking it out of the system, 00:22:17.040 --> 00:22:21.600 which I think is what a lot of people are told if they talk to their doctor about it. 00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:22.640 Yeah. 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:33.000 And the people, farmers who had their own animals, often they would eat the thyroid 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.760 gland in the chicken neck, for example. 00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:44.240 And one guy I knew said that on Friday, they always had fried chicken in the field for 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:50.880 lunch and he said that Friday afternoons, he was always too hot to work, but he would 00:22:50.880 --> 00:23:00.360 eat five necks and get probably 20 grains of thyroid or something. 00:23:00.360 --> 00:23:09.200 A very suppressive dose and he would be very hot, but by the next day, it would have passed. 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.800 That'll get you moving. 00:23:11.800 --> 00:23:13.960 There's another thyroid question here from Wade. 00:23:13.960 --> 00:23:21.640 I would like to ask Ray's thoughts on reverse T3, if it is really necessary to use T3 treatment 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:27.760 only to clear out the accumulated reverse T3 or if a combination thyroid product and 00:23:27.760 --> 00:23:31.520 proper nutrition will resolve the issue? 00:23:31.520 --> 00:23:39.280 Yeah, I think it's mostly caused by high cortisol and stress hormones. 00:23:39.280 --> 00:23:50.360 So, just eating a good supportive diet, plenty of fruit or even juice and milk will help 00:23:50.360 --> 00:23:53.680 keep the stress down. 00:23:53.680 --> 00:24:02.240 I think it works just as effectively as taking just small amounts of T3. 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:04.560 And what causes reverse T3? 00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:08.000 It's basically where your whole thyroid system shuts down. 00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:09.560 Is that right? 00:24:09.560 --> 00:24:10.560 Yeah. 00:24:10.560 --> 00:24:20.440 If your body thinks that you're having an overexposure to thyroid, it gets rid of the 00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:27.800 excess by turning thyroxine into an inactive kind of T3. 00:24:27.800 --> 00:24:31.080 It takes off the wrong iodine. 00:24:31.080 --> 00:24:41.720 And so, if you're fasting, for example, part of the thyroid is being excreted the way estrogen 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:46.180 or toxins are being excreted all the time. 00:24:46.180 --> 00:24:55.320 But part of it is being inactivated in a way that has an antithyroid effect. 00:24:55.320 --> 00:25:02.000 That interferes with the active T3, so it's an extra fast way to turn off your thyroid 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:10.160 function, not just getting rid of the active stuff but making a neutralizing, blocking 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:14.120 form of the thyroid. 00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:22.080 And I missed part of the question of the person who was concerned about MS and that had to 00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:30.440 do with a drug to decrease the number of MS symptoms. 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:38.120 I think it's called, I just can't find the word here, naloxone or do you know what? 00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:41.400 Yeah, naloxone or naltrexone. 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.560 Yeah, there you go. 00:25:43.560 --> 00:25:44.840 Thank you. 00:25:44.840 --> 00:25:56.520 When you're under stress, you produce the endorphins and the endorphins, they compensate 00:25:56.520 --> 00:26:09.080 for injury or stress and they should go away but prolonged stress can leave you sort of 00:26:09.080 --> 00:26:15.600 inhibited in various ways with the wrong pattern of endorphins. 00:26:15.600 --> 00:26:26.240 And if a person has been exposed to prolonged stress, sometimes you can break out of that 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:34.160 pattern and recover functions with an anti-morphine treatment. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:46.280 These naloxone and naltrexone are the injected and oral forms of an anti-opiate that simply 00:26:46.280 --> 00:26:56.080 keeps the morphine or the endorphin from having its effect and sometimes that can restore 00:26:56.080 --> 00:27:01.200 functions that have been suppressed. 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:08.480 And it sounds like you've opined that you don't like opiates, you think they're actually 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:14.320 bad for you in the long run and so that sounds like it's not a bad thing to be taking? 00:27:14.320 --> 00:27:23.160 Yeah, I think it usually has its effect in just a few days though. 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:29.640 And I think if it hasn't really made a big difference in just a few days, then it's probably 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.800 some other problem. 00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:41.320 I see, so if you wanted to keep the inflammation low, could you just use some other anti-inflammatory? 00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:51.160 Oh yeah, all kinds of stabilizing anti-inflammatory things. 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:59.480 Thyroid and progesterone and the short chain fatty acids and sugars are all things that 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:04.640 help restore injured demyelinated nerves. 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:18.920 Well let me ask before I go on to my own questions and the phone number again is 802-526-2326. 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:24.880 If anybody wants to call and you can Skype me at John Barkhausen, all one word. 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:33.240 Lillia asks, do you Ray have any thoughts on the efficacy of prolo therapy in which 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:39.400 a solution containing sugar in the form of dextrose is injected into tendons or ligaments 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:45.120 to strengthen weakened connective tissue, tissue that was weakened as a result of injury? 00:28:45.120 --> 00:28:48.120 Have you ever heard of that? 00:28:48.120 --> 00:28:57.680 Oh yeah, my father had it done, I think they used vegetable oil in the 1950s, a combination 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:09.680 of novocaine and vegetable oil I think was the popular thing then and it causes an inflammatory 00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:19.880 reaction and toughening up of the ligaments and it can cure some back problems without 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:26.960 anything very invasive, just a shot into the ligament. 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:34.080 And so it's proven to work but I think there are better things. 00:29:34.080 --> 00:29:45.480 It's usually a low DHEA production from low thyroid, high estrogen and stress hormones 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:56.800 that cause the ligaments and tendons to get weak and correcting the thyroid function and 00:29:56.800 --> 00:30:05.960 maybe taking a DHEA or pregnenolone supplement would be the natural way to strengthen the 00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:10.640 ligaments and tendons and it helps the bones at the same time. 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:18.600 Okay, I guess the person who did this did find relief from it and she'd been suffering 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:29.000 for 35 years so it sounds like there's a couple ways to fix that problem. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:36.480 And I was going to ask you, I know people wonder when they hear you talk, by the way 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:44.360 we are talking to Dr. Raymond Peat who's a PhD in biology with a specialization in physiology 00:30:44.360 --> 00:30:52.160 from Eugene, Oregon and he also has vast knowledge of science history and we have about half 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:58.920 an hour to go here at WMRW LP Warren and we are having a fundraiser by the way, I keep 00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:05.000 forgetting to mention it but if you'd like to contribute to alternative radio, radio 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:12.320 that doesn't have commercial conscriptions, feel free to do that at any time at WMRW.org. 00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:16.640 You can click the pig to make a PayPal or credit card donation and we're trying to 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:25.000 raise our $10,800 annual operating budget which is not much money to run a radio station 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:31.720 so and that's because nobody here is paid a salary. 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.880 Thanks for putting up with that Ray. 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:44.200 Let's see, I wanted to ask you, a lot of times it sounds like all of our problems boil down 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:51.320 to having a slow metabolism or basically the engine that drives us and gives us all of 00:31:51.320 --> 00:31:56.800 our energy is not running well and I've heard the complaint about your writings before that 00:31:56.800 --> 00:32:04.960 all he ever thinks is wrong with us is our thyroid and somehow that's a put down. 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:09.440 How do you respond to that? 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:22.520 Well it doesn't apply just to people, it applies to all complex organisms practically. 00:32:22.520 --> 00:32:30.320 The difference between us and a fungus is that we've had a lot of thyroid and oxidative 00:32:30.320 --> 00:32:36.440 metabolism that the fungus has benefited from. 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:45.760 All of our functions are characterized by high energy oxidative metabolism, the brain 00:32:45.760 --> 00:32:57.420 more than any other part and as you look at the animal kingdom, the outstanding thing 00:32:57.420 --> 00:33:06.360 is that their oxidative metabolism increases as they go up the so-called evolutionary scale 00:33:06.360 --> 00:33:18.200 and it's that oxygen is driving our existence and our existence is culminating in a bigger 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:24.560 more expensive brain that other animals couldn't afford because their thyroid function wasn't 00:33:24.560 --> 00:33:27.640 adequate. 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:42.120 It's really the essential thing given oxygen and sugar and a few other materials. 00:33:42.120 --> 00:33:52.120 Thyroid is the catalyst for making things run right. 00:33:52.120 --> 00:33:56.520 And people complain and I don't think it's actually true but when they say that all you 00:33:56.520 --> 00:34:02.640 talk about is the thyroid, they make it sound like you're not interested in any of the other 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:09.580 systems of the body but the thyroid does seem like the master system in terms of energy 00:34:09.580 --> 00:34:11.840 production for everything. 00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:23.040 Yeah, and if your thyroid for example is working efficiently then your pituitary doesn't have 00:34:23.040 --> 00:34:32.760 much to do and you aren't likely to get a pituitary tumor, your adrenals don't have 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:43.520 much to do, your ovaries don't get overstimulated, the other glands have an easy job when your 00:34:43.520 --> 00:34:45.160 thyroid is working right. 00:34:45.160 --> 00:34:52.760 If your thyroid gets interfered with then you've got to rev up your adrenals and then 00:34:52.760 --> 00:35:00.080 your pituitary becomes a commander in chief and tells everyone what to do. 00:35:00.080 --> 00:35:01.800 With the stress hormones. 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:10.440 Yeah, and then you're at risk of getting tumors of the ovaries or testicles or adrenal 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:17.880 glands or thyroid glands because your pituitary is working them too hard. 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.720 That's a good way to look at it. 00:35:22.720 --> 00:35:29.720 I also wanted to, in lieu of anybody else calling in, I have some questions about common 00:35:29.720 --> 00:35:30.720 problems. 00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:36.880 A lot of people have arthritis and we've discussed that a little bit today, but in 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:43.200 our shows about progesterone you were talking about several instances where progesterone 00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:48.000 was very helpful to women with arthritis, but what about men? 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:53.280 Is it the right substance to use for men in arthritis? 00:35:53.280 --> 00:36:04.640 Yeah, one of the first people I gave it to was a friend over 40 years ago I think, who 00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:13.520 every afternoon his knee swelled up, obviously rheumatoid arthritis, it looked like a football. 00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:20.960 I just got some standard injectable progesterone from the drug store and he put the whole vial 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.960 on, rubbed it from his side down to his calf. 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:35.600 Two or three hours later he was walking and showed me his knee was no longer swollen. 00:36:35.600 --> 00:36:43.440 Just about three or four years ago he was still walking without a limp, hadn't noticed 00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.320 arthritis in all that time. 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:52.480 So for people developing arthritis in their hands now, is that also a thyroid problem 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:57.280 do you think or is it just some inflammation that could be taken care of with aspirin or 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:58.280 progesterone? 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:08.040 Yeah, when your thyroid is down you compensate with all kinds of other stress hormones. 00:37:08.040 --> 00:37:20.200 Your autonomic system goes up, but so does your adrenal, cortical and aldosterone hormones. 00:37:20.200 --> 00:37:28.120 Estrogen increases, even melatonin gets involved. 00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:34.080 Everything runs to compensate when the thyroid is low. 00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:43.560 And some of these compensatory things don't quite compensate fully and then they get involved 00:37:43.560 --> 00:37:47.640 in creating the inflammation. 00:37:47.640 --> 00:37:57.600 And that's where the DHEA and progesterone either taken orally or can be applied topically. 00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:10.400 Those are the things that are deficient that as a consequence the other more delicate and 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:17.840 dangerous hormones such as estrogen and cortisol, those increase because you're low in progesterone, 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.360 DHEA and pregnenolone. 00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:28.080 And so supplementing any of those three or all three of them will usually alleviate or 00:38:28.080 --> 00:38:30.520 cure arthritis. 00:38:30.520 --> 00:38:39.000 I've known people with dogs or horses, they thought that the horse was so old that it 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:44.720 would never work again. 00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:52.360 Just giving it progesterone, they made the horse healthy and happy for several more years. 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:58.840 And people with dogs that couldn't, basically couldn't walk around, couldn't get up on the 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:07.880 furniture, they gave them pregnenolone or progesterone and they were their normal tests 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:08.880 themselves. 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.560 That's great. 00:39:10.560 --> 00:39:11.560 We have a caller. 00:39:11.560 --> 00:39:12.560 You're on the air caller. 00:39:12.560 --> 00:39:16.320 Hi, thanks for taking my call. 00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:24.680 Ray, in your essay on autonomic systems there's a little passage about 20th century writing 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:34.480 and painting and you talk about those things being considered expressive rather than communicative. 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.480 I was wondering if you could give some examples of 20th century writers or painters who you 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:48.200 think are communicative and not insane and someone maybe who is falling in late steps. 00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:51.600 I missed several parts of those sentences. 00:39:51.600 --> 00:39:55.080 John, could you repeat them? 00:39:55.080 --> 00:39:56.640 I'm not sure if I got them all either. 00:39:56.640 --> 00:40:00.560 Could you try again caller and I'll turn the volume up so maybe Ray will get it. 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:01.880 Okay, I'm sorry. 00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.880 It might be my cell phone's fault. 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:15.080 I was just wondering if there are any 20th century writers or painters who you consider 00:40:15.080 --> 00:40:19.160 not insane, who you consider communicative rather than expressive. 00:40:19.160 --> 00:40:24.520 Maybe somebody who is following in Blake's footsteps. 00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:27.960 Somebody who is following in Blake's footsteps. 00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:39.080 I think Siqueiros was one of my heroes, David Alparo Siqueiros. 00:40:39.080 --> 00:40:45.760 How do you spell that? 00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:47.760 S-I-Q-U-E-I-R-O-S. 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:54.760 Okay, thanks. 00:40:54.760 --> 00:41:01.520 And why did you originally say that Ray, that the 20th century artists are considered to 00:41:01.520 --> 00:41:06.640 be out of their minds? 00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:16.680 They were driven out of their minds partly by the CIA's project called the Congress for 00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:31.200 Cultural Freedom, which worked with Nelson Rockefeller to glorify some of the, what Siqueiros 00:41:31.200 --> 00:41:33.920 called them the ghost artists. 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:44.800 They were creating a culture of anti-culture and the CIA knew exactly what they were doing 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:56.360 and presumably Nelson Rockefeller did too when he and his two or three other philanthropists 00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:03.960 concentrated on these people because of their anti-social consciousness. 00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:12.280 And they ridiculed the idea that art should have a social consciousness and the CIA pumped 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:26.400 Marshall plant money into creating this alternative culture of abstract expressionism and such. 00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:34.440 Sounds like we need to start a new show called Politics and Art. 00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:36.920 Corrupting influence of money everywhere. 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.280 Do you have another comment, caller? 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.720 No, thank you. 00:42:42.720 --> 00:42:43.720 I'll get off now. 00:42:43.720 --> 00:42:50.640 Okay, thanks for calling. 00:42:50.640 --> 00:42:51.760 I'm not sure. 00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:58.600 I think it was just because Siqueiros was working around the New York crowd that he 00:42:58.600 --> 00:43:02.080 saw what was happening. 00:43:02.080 --> 00:43:09.520 It was years later before the actual facts became public. 00:43:09.520 --> 00:43:20.720 I think it was 1968 when this CIA financing of culture was revealed, but Siqueiros had 00:43:20.720 --> 00:43:24.200 been there seeing it going on. 00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:35.120 So he was the first person I heard of writing about the government's official ghost culture. 00:43:35.120 --> 00:43:38.000 And what do you think the government's motive was for doing that, Ray? 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.200 Was it just to divorce people from the world? 00:43:41.200 --> 00:43:52.680 Well, to improve the power of the Rockefeller class by keeping anyone who said art should 00:43:52.680 --> 00:44:07.800 be socially conscious, show them to be some kind of degenerate or subversive. 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:10.120 We just got another email question in. 00:44:10.120 --> 00:44:21.240 It's to ask you what causes moles on the skin? 00:44:21.240 --> 00:44:34.560 I'm not sure what you would say causes them, but in myself and in several friends, I found 00:44:34.560 --> 00:44:38.880 that they were very hormonally related. 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:49.320 In about 1980, one summer, I had been watching a mole grow on my belly, and it was obviously 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:54.040 to me becoming a dangerous melanoma. 00:44:54.040 --> 00:44:58.080 It had grown from a little brown spot. 00:44:58.080 --> 00:45:02.120 Can you just keep it down while Ray answers this question? 00:45:02.120 --> 00:45:10.520 Turn off your mic for a second. 00:45:10.520 --> 00:45:16.880 It was becoming an obvious melanoma to me, and a couple of doctors who happened to be 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:23.000 visiting that summer saw it and told me that they thought it was a melanoma. 00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:29.920 But around that time, I was experimenting with different steroids, and I just happened 00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:37.560 to be tasting some DHEA around that time. 00:45:37.560 --> 00:45:46.920 Without thinking of any connection, one night I noticed a shiny red dome on my belly where 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:55.000 the mole had been, and over the next three or four days, the mole disappeared. 00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:02.040 Thinking about it, I realized that I had been sampling the DHEA around that time. 00:46:02.040 --> 00:46:07.560 The next time I started getting a mole that looked like it was turning into a melanoma, 00:46:07.560 --> 00:46:15.600 for example, turning blue and white, and the blue and white spots swimming around, changing 00:46:15.600 --> 00:46:24.960 positions rapidly, typical behavior of a melanoma, I would just apply a little either progesterone 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:32.840 or DHEA to that area, and immediately the color, instead of swimming around in colored 00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:40.960 spots, would level out and become just a little tan colored thing, and then it would go away. 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.760 I had a series of experiments. 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:53.220 One was a mole as big as a jumbo olive that when I finally put some progesterone near 00:46:53.220 --> 00:47:02.200 it, within two weeks it had turned to a crisp and fallen off without leaving a trace of 00:47:02.200 --> 00:47:07.120 a scar where this huge black thing had been. 00:47:07.120 --> 00:47:11.640 I found that I could sort of steer them. 00:47:11.640 --> 00:47:15.600 They're extremely mobile, the pigment cells. 00:47:15.600 --> 00:47:24.180 A huge black thing appeared suddenly on my lower arm, and having the other experiences, 00:47:24.180 --> 00:47:33.220 I put a dot of progesterone in oil on the upside about an inch from the spot. 00:47:33.220 --> 00:47:34.220 Is that coconut oil? 00:47:34.220 --> 00:47:40.220 The next day there was, well, I think it was vitamin E and progesterone. 00:47:40.220 --> 00:47:42.580 Okay, thanks. 00:47:42.580 --> 00:47:50.740 The following day there was a shadow of it about an inch downstream towards my hand, 00:47:50.740 --> 00:47:56.260 and I put another dot on, and each time I put a dot on, the next day there would be 00:47:56.260 --> 00:48:05.780 a shadow an inch farther down, so I had a series of three or four progressively fainter 00:48:05.780 --> 00:48:12.540 shadows, and each time a shadow moved out from it, the spot itself got fainter. 00:48:12.540 --> 00:48:20.220 And pretty soon all of the cells had walked away from the big black spot. 00:48:20.220 --> 00:48:30.540 And in another case, putting a dot on the front of one on my forehead, the pigment cells 00:48:30.540 --> 00:48:37.220 moved out in a circumference away from it, so it looked, on the third day it looked like 00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:45.100 a bull's eye, and after about a week, the original spot had shrunk up and pinched off 00:48:45.100 --> 00:48:48.980 at the base and left no scar. 00:48:48.980 --> 00:48:51.420 That's phenomenal. 00:48:51.420 --> 00:48:58.100 Various other people who didn't experiment in such detail would just take an overdose 00:48:58.100 --> 00:49:06.700 of thyroid for a week or two, and day by day you could see their mole shrinking until, 00:49:06.700 --> 00:49:13.220 in one case, a mole an inch long disappeared from a guy's back in two weeks. 00:49:13.220 --> 00:49:17.740 So you were just toying with it with that progesterone and pregnenolone. 00:49:17.740 --> 00:49:25.580 Yeah, very entertaining to see how fast these cells can run through your body. 00:49:25.580 --> 00:49:36.220 People have studied them on cover slips, and at 90 degrees, which is the average skin temperature, 00:49:36.220 --> 00:49:44.700 a cell of that type can walk about an inch per day if it's motivated. 00:49:44.700 --> 00:49:50.620 If you've got something to move it along, no loitering. 00:49:50.620 --> 00:49:55.260 I think the reason they collect in certain spots is that they come looking for something 00:49:55.260 --> 00:50:00.100 that's missing from where they were. 00:50:00.100 --> 00:50:03.420 They're looking for some resource to take advantage of? 00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:12.380 Yeah, like they found some cell that was emitting DHEA possibly, and so everyone moves in to 00:50:12.380 --> 00:50:13.380 take advantage. 00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:14.380 I see. 00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:19.180 And that's maybe what caused the mole to form in the first place. 00:50:19.180 --> 00:50:29.180 Yeah, some people just the last couple of months have been thinking about the factors 00:50:29.180 --> 00:50:35.740 that guide cell migration, and it's probably going to be a very interesting field in the 00:50:35.740 --> 00:50:36.740 next few years. 00:50:36.740 --> 00:50:44.100 Trying, for example, to lure cancer cells back from their metastatic positions, call 00:50:44.100 --> 00:50:47.140 them back to where they should be. 00:50:47.140 --> 00:50:50.220 That sounds much more civilized than what they do now. 00:50:50.220 --> 00:50:52.660 We do have a caller, Ray, and not very much time left. 00:50:52.660 --> 00:50:56.060 So caller, if you want to turn on your mic. 00:50:56.060 --> 00:50:57.060 Yeah. 00:50:57.060 --> 00:50:59.740 Yeah, thanks for doing that. 00:50:59.740 --> 00:51:00.740 And what's your question? 00:51:00.740 --> 00:51:11.740 Yeah, I wanted to talk about type 2 diabetes and metabolic syndrome and how it goes together 00:51:11.740 --> 00:51:16.540 with low testosterone and what's the best way to attack that. 00:51:16.540 --> 00:51:22.140 Okay, we have about seven minutes. 00:51:22.140 --> 00:51:31.220 I've got some newsletters specifically on that, but getting the polyunsaturated fats 00:51:31.220 --> 00:51:42.180 out of your body as far as possible or keeping them in storage if they're there, but definitely 00:51:42.180 --> 00:51:49.900 avoiding all kinds of polyunsaturated fats because those are the things that specifically 00:51:49.900 --> 00:52:01.660 interfere with the ability to oxidize glucose. 00:52:01.660 --> 00:52:11.140 One of the reasons that aspirin for 100 years has been known to help lower blood sugar in 00:52:11.140 --> 00:52:20.700 that kind of diabetes is that aspirin does several things to interrupt the effects of 00:52:20.700 --> 00:52:23.220 the polyunsaturated fats. 00:52:23.220 --> 00:52:28.860 It keeps them from turning into the inflammation causing prostate gland lens, but it also helps 00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:35.260 to keep them in storage where they don't do any harm or not so much harm. 00:52:35.260 --> 00:52:36.740 All right. 00:52:36.740 --> 00:52:39.780 Caller, are you still there? 00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:41.340 Yeah, I'm here. 00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:42.340 Thank you for that. 00:52:42.340 --> 00:52:45.860 I wanted to know, does that also correlate into the weight loss because I found that 00:52:45.860 --> 00:52:51.940 as soon as weight is lost, the blood sugar starts regulating itself. 00:52:51.940 --> 00:53:02.420 Yeah, the fat cells are sending out signals that create inflammation. 00:53:02.420 --> 00:53:12.540 Leptin is one of the pro-inflammatory signals that you want to signal your fat to stop sending 00:53:12.540 --> 00:53:14.540 leptin if possible. 00:53:14.540 --> 00:53:16.540 All right. 00:53:16.540 --> 00:53:18.580 Thank you. 00:53:18.580 --> 00:53:20.580 Thanks for calling. 00:53:20.580 --> 00:53:22.580 Thank you very much. 00:53:22.580 --> 00:53:23.580 Thank you. 00:53:23.580 --> 00:53:29.420 We have one more question that came in by email, Ray, and it says, that's from Jerry, 00:53:29.420 --> 00:53:31.940 I eat raw vegetables out of the garden all summer. 00:53:31.940 --> 00:53:32.940 Is that a no-no? 00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:38.180 I always thought raw veggies were more nutritious than cooked. 00:53:38.180 --> 00:53:41.180 It depends on what they are. 00:53:41.180 --> 00:53:45.460 Like peppers, for example, are really fruit. 00:53:45.460 --> 00:53:50.980 Tomatoes and peppers are good raw. 00:53:50.980 --> 00:54:02.620 And carrots and some of the radishes, for example, if you ate a lot of them, they would 00:54:02.620 --> 00:54:04.660 be antithyroid. 00:54:04.660 --> 00:54:13.580 But there are some things called vegetables that are really fairly rich in sugar as well 00:54:13.580 --> 00:54:15.380 as the minerals. 00:54:15.380 --> 00:54:24.460 And so those sweetish root vegetables are pretty healthy. 00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:32.580 And the fruits, tomatoes and bell peppers in particular. 00:54:32.580 --> 00:54:35.620 As long as you're not nightshade intolerant. 00:54:35.620 --> 00:54:36.620 Yeah. 00:54:36.620 --> 00:54:37.620 Yeah. 00:54:37.620 --> 00:54:43.500 The allergy to those is a problem for a lot of people. 00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:46.820 You're not very big on some raw vegetables, is that right? 00:54:46.820 --> 00:54:49.380 Like beans and such? 00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:50.380 Yeah. 00:54:50.380 --> 00:55:00.340 The raw stuff, it's likely to feed bacteria and cause problems. 00:55:00.340 --> 00:55:10.780 And if there is a seed developing in it, that has other specific toxins. 00:55:10.780 --> 00:55:15.500 Like peas and beans are not so great. 00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:16.580 Yeah. 00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:18.340 And I really wanted to ask you about eczema. 00:55:18.340 --> 00:55:21.700 I was wondering if you had any tips for how to handle that. 00:55:21.700 --> 00:55:25.940 We only have a couple minutes. 00:55:25.940 --> 00:55:32.060 Keeping your intestine in good condition is one of the things. 00:55:32.060 --> 00:55:39.980 Both eczema and psoriasis tend to flare up in a lot of people when they eat bread or 00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:42.420 other grains. 00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:46.060 And beans are very hard on the intestine in general. 00:55:46.060 --> 00:55:55.220 But seeds, grains and beans irritating the intestine tend to create sympathetic reactions. 00:55:55.220 --> 00:56:08.220 The particular enzyme that reacts to gluten is involved in the maturing of the skin cells. 00:56:08.220 --> 00:56:16.820 And so this particular enzyme is now being studied as a link between the intestine and 00:56:16.820 --> 00:56:21.060 the skin, the transglutamination enzymes. 00:56:21.060 --> 00:56:26.420 And what can somebody do about eczema if they have it? 00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:34.100 Thyroid very often helps. 00:56:34.100 --> 00:56:37.260 With progesterone also, do you think? 00:56:37.260 --> 00:56:38.260 Yes. 00:56:38.260 --> 00:56:48.140 Very often, sometimes pregnenolone by balancing all of the others, it's the precursor to all 00:56:48.140 --> 00:56:50.620 of the steroid hormones. 00:56:50.620 --> 00:56:54.700 And in itself it stops the stress reaction. 00:56:54.700 --> 00:57:03.300 And to the extent that your stress system from pituitary to adrenals, it associates 00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:10.620 with a flare up of skin problems just by turning off the stress with pregnenolone. 00:57:10.620 --> 00:57:16.340 You can see a big change in a lot of problems. 00:57:16.340 --> 00:57:18.460 And well, we're actually out of time. 00:57:18.460 --> 00:57:20.780 So I can't go on even though I want to. 00:57:20.780 --> 00:57:25.460 Dr. Raymond Peat, it's been a real pleasure once again having you on the show. 00:57:25.460 --> 00:57:31.300 And thanks for doing such a marathon and handling all those questions so well. 00:57:31.300 --> 00:57:32.300 Really appreciate it. 00:57:32.300 --> 00:57:33.300 Okay, thank you. 00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:35.220 Okay, have a good night, Ray. 00:57:35.220 --> 00:57:36.220 Okay, bye. 00:57:36.220 --> 00:57:37.220 Yeah, bye bye. 00:57:37.220 --> 00:57:43.900 Well, it's hard to believe that sped by so quickly. 00:57:43.900 --> 00:57:45.020 I want to thank everybody.