WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.840 Alright, well you're listening to WMRW LP Warren and it's 5 o'clock and time for Politics 00:00:07.840 --> 00:00:14.540 and Science and Politics and Science is live today for a change and I'm very honored that 00:00:14.540 --> 00:00:23.720 I have Dr. Raymond Peat back on the line here in the studio and let me bring him up here. 00:00:23.720 --> 00:00:29.880 I'm going to use the same bio I had for you years ago, right, which is that you have a 00:00:29.880 --> 00:00:36.920 PhD in biology from the University of Oregon and with a specialization in physiology and 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:42.240 I also consider you a science historian and ombudsman, I've added that. 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:44.840 If you want to correct that, please feel free. 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:45.840 Okay. 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.720 Okay, no corrections then, huh? 00:00:49.720 --> 00:00:50.720 Alright. 00:00:50.720 --> 00:00:58.800 Well, I've wanted to get you on again because you're interesting to hear on any subject 00:00:58.800 --> 00:01:06.840 and we particularly have this weird emergency going on here that I think has got everybody 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:17.440 spinning and that's the so-called Corona 19 or what's it called, COVID-19 pandemic and 00:01:17.440 --> 00:01:24.120 I just wanted to get your take on that and then maybe we could talk about the science 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:33.160 behind pandemics and viruses and all of that and maybe cover vaccines at the end. 00:01:33.160 --> 00:01:40.200 So feel free to just jump in and what do you think is going on right now? 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:47.640 First of all, I'm not sure anything special is going on in the virus and infection world. 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:52.760 It's definitely happening in the media and politics. 00:01:52.760 --> 00:02:07.760 Mexico isn't getting excited and they've had I think 16 mild cases but the CDC for years 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:19.000 has been reporting the annual respiratory or flu-like death rate as being in the tens 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:31.520 of thousands of deaths per year in the United States and so 100 or 200, the average number 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:42.080 of deaths from respiratory disease being say 30 or 40,000. 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:52.240 If you look at the historic percentage of those respiratory diseases, about a tenth, 00:02:52.240 --> 00:03:05.960 10% of roughly from 5 to 15% are historically coronavirus infections and the others are 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:18.720 things as simple as rhinovirus or respiratory syncytial virus, things that range from mild 00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:33.160 sniffles up to serious pneumonia but historically about 10% are corona-type virus and so if 00:03:33.160 --> 00:03:41.800 30 or 40,000 people are expected to die from a flu-like respiratory disease, we would expect 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:51.640 to have 3,000 or 4,000 deaths per year from a coronavirus respiratory infection. 00:03:51.640 --> 00:04:03.160 So I don't see any evidence at all that anything is happening on the real biological level. 00:04:03.160 --> 00:04:04.160 Are you there? 00:04:04.160 --> 00:04:07.160 The line seems to have... 00:04:07.160 --> 00:04:08.160 Sorry, Ray. 00:04:08.160 --> 00:04:09.160 Sorry, that was my fault. 00:04:09.160 --> 00:04:10.160 Do you hear me now? 00:04:10.160 --> 00:04:11.160 Yeah. 00:04:11.160 --> 00:04:18.200 I was just saying that the official line is that the crisis actually hasn't happened yet 00:04:18.200 --> 00:04:23.480 but you're saying in a given year, we should still see 3,000 to 4,000 deaths from coronavirus 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:27.640 in an average year. 00:04:27.640 --> 00:04:28.680 That could still happen. 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:39.480 We could get up to the average mortality associated with coronaviruses but we're not approaching 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.440 that by a long way so far. 00:04:41.440 --> 00:04:51.960 So a lower than average year as far as the actual figures that exist indicate. 00:04:51.960 --> 00:05:00.560 So just looking at the actual numbers, it looks like we're slightly deficient in cases 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:06.840 and deaths of respiratory problems associated with that virus. 00:05:06.840 --> 00:05:09.560 And that's looking at the historical data? 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:10.560 Yeah. 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:11.560 Yeah. 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:12.560 And if you look at... 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:18.160 Have you checked out the Chinese or the Asian data at this point? 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.560 Is the corona deaths up from their average? 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:23.880 Yeah. 00:05:23.880 --> 00:05:29.120 They haven't talked about the average for corona. 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:37.960 They weren't gathering that data but they say this is just slightly more deadly than 00:05:37.960 --> 00:05:44.040 a typical influenza virus or the other things causing respiratory disease. 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:52.160 So it is somewhat, according to their figures, just slightly more deadly. 00:05:52.160 --> 00:06:01.800 But the problem is Italy always has had about twice as many respiratory or flu-like deaths 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:07.080 per year per capita as the United States. 00:06:07.080 --> 00:06:11.160 So it isn't unusual for them to be especially hard hit. 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:18.360 But what makes the number go up is that they have been primarily testing sick people in 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:20.920 hospitals. 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.560 And it's the same with cancer diagnosis. 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:35.680 If you go all out to look for cancer in a population of middle age and old age in the 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:45.280 cancer range, you'll find 100% cancers if you're really, really thorough in your diagnosis. 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:55.280 And so the more you diagnose, the more you can find people die at the same rate unless 00:06:55.280 --> 00:06:56.800 you treat them. 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:02.160 If you increase your treatment for cancer, as you increase the diagnosis, the treatment 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:05.120 is going to kill more and more. 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:13.960 But you can make your treatments look better by diagnosing more and more cases which are 00:07:13.960 --> 00:07:15.360 harmless. 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.840 Same with the flu or the coronavirus. 00:07:18.840 --> 00:07:27.280 If you test everyone in the population, you'll get all of these people with very mild reactions. 00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:37.120 And so it'll look like in South Korea, for example, 0.6% because they tested more people. 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:38.120 I see. 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:49.200 So the dying people become a smaller percentage when you test a more representative cross-section 00:07:49.200 --> 00:07:50.200 of the population. 00:07:50.200 --> 00:07:51.200 Yeah, I see. 00:07:51.200 --> 00:07:57.040 So that's a bit of, maybe it's just an accident that because they're looking for the diseases 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:02.240 and the most vulnerable, that they test the sickest people first. 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:03.240 Yeah. 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:13.640 And so that, if restricted to the people in the hospital on respirators, then you'll find 00:08:13.640 --> 00:08:22.080 that most of them have serious viruses, probably multiple respiratory viruses. 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:23.080 I see. 00:08:23.080 --> 00:08:31.160 When you're very sick, various viruses that have been carried harmlessly will pop to the 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:33.320 surface and get measured. 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:36.120 I see, because your immune system is compromised. 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:37.120 Yeah. 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.040 Now, if we could back up a little bit, because I am confused and probably other people are 00:08:42.040 --> 00:08:47.320 too, exactly what's the difference between a virus and a bacteria? 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:55.360 And also, what is particular, I can't talk particular about the coronavirus? 00:08:55.360 --> 00:09:04.360 Most all bacteria are free living in a sense, they can generally live outside of cells if 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:11.680 you feed them the right stuff and give them the right temperature and other conditions. 00:09:11.680 --> 00:09:18.520 They have the apparatus to reproduce their own genetic material and the virus depends 00:09:18.520 --> 00:09:28.200 on entering a cell, either a bacterium or a higher organism's cell and taking advantage 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:37.000 of their machinery like ribosomes that can produce proteins from nucleic acids. 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:47.920 And so these viruses put in their bit of nucleic acid once they can get into the cell and that 00:09:47.920 --> 00:10:00.280 is processed on our ribosomes, the endoplasmic reticulum and proteins are added to the replicated 00:10:00.280 --> 00:10:09.840 nucleic acid and then it's excreted as a finished particle by our ordinary cell excretory system, 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.720 secretory system. 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:19.560 So in a healthy person, if you encounter a virus, even if it's a new virus that nobody's 00:10:19.560 --> 00:10:25.600 seen, do you think we're able to conquer that or at least isolate it so it doesn't do any 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:26.600 harm? 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:34.200 Yeah, for example, on the surface, the respiratory surface in our lungs and the tubes leading 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:43.760 into the air sacs, the air sacs are lined with epithelial cells that can secrete. 00:10:43.760 --> 00:10:53.320 There are cells around the air sac that secrete mucus that cover the epithelial cells and 00:10:53.320 --> 00:11:02.440 to reduce the surface tension so that the air sac will stay open, there's a protein 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:19.320 called surfactant protein that has an oily, oil loving lipophilic fraction so it acts 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:21.680 like a soap. 00:11:21.680 --> 00:11:32.240 The water loving part of the protein dissolves in this mucus layer on the cell lining the 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:42.040 air sac and the oily surface reduces the surface tension so that the air sac can stay open 00:11:42.040 --> 00:11:45.360 without extreme tension. 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:58.560 And that surfactant protein contains groups that will collect the sugar like surfaces 00:11:58.560 --> 00:12:09.040 of the viral proteins or other, any pathogen possibility that hits that surfactant protein 00:12:09.040 --> 00:12:17.200 will get glued down by these binding particles. 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.680 So it's our first layer of defense. 00:12:20.680 --> 00:12:34.280 And then in and around the epithelial layer, we have the reactive parts of the immune system. 00:12:34.280 --> 00:12:43.880 The angiotensin converting enzyme is one of the early parts of our immune system that 00:12:43.880 --> 00:12:53.360 sets up an inflammatory reaction that will set in action a whole chain of events. 00:12:53.360 --> 00:13:07.400 If the pathogen gets through and is actually a threat, then you activate this proteolytic 00:13:07.400 --> 00:13:16.840 protein that creates angiotensin which is like a transmitter of a panic reaction to 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.840 the organism. 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:30.360 And it happens that this coronavirus is able to bind to one of these angiotensin converting 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.200 enzymes. 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:44.840 There is one which is only pro-inflammatory and another one that backs that up which undoes, 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:53.240 inhibits the inflammatory damage done by the first angiotensin producing enzyme. 00:13:53.240 --> 00:14:04.680 This is called ACE2 and ACE2 happens to be attacked by this particular virus which binds 00:14:04.680 --> 00:14:12.520 to that enzyme and that's called the receptor. 00:14:12.520 --> 00:14:17.760 It's a vulnerable point of the organism as far as this virus is concerned. 00:14:17.760 --> 00:14:33.520 And binding to that ACE2 means that it leaves the ACE, first the ACE1 which produces angiotensin, 00:14:33.520 --> 00:14:46.280 it leaves that free to act and ACE2 is capable of inactivating angiotensin, breaking it down 00:14:46.280 --> 00:14:52.400 to the first seven amino acids. 00:14:52.400 --> 00:15:00.720 They call it angiotensin 1 to 7 and this is a defensive anti-inflammatory peptide. 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:11.600 So if your ACE2 is knocked out, angiotensin has a free range to cause damage. 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:22.720 So the virus increases the inflammatory reaction by sticking to this defensive enzyme and that 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:35.840 enzyme combined with the virus then acts to enter the cell by way of the angiotensin receptor 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:40.600 which is called the AT1. 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:50.800 There are two known receptors by which angiotensin can do its damage. 00:15:50.800 --> 00:15:58.520 Angiotensin 1 is strictly an inflammation producing system. 00:15:58.520 --> 00:16:06.360 The angiotensin 2 produces some somewhat defensive reactions. 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:20.640 It happens that the virus enzyme combination enters the cell by way of angiotensin receptor 00:16:20.640 --> 00:16:33.680 1, AT1, and that turns on a whole range of destructive processes, nitric oxide and serotonin 00:16:33.680 --> 00:16:34.680 for example. 00:16:34.680 --> 00:16:43.240 And so just looking at the effects, it's obvious that you could defend by anything 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.680 that defends you against nitric oxide and serotonin. 00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:48.600 I see. 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:50.840 Which are inflammatory mediators? 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:52.200 Yeah. 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:58.520 So anti-inflammatory things are the known treatment for this kind of virus. 00:16:58.520 --> 00:17:07.760 The Chinese for years have been using cinanserin which is a serotonin blocker for other treatments 00:17:07.760 --> 00:17:14.760 and they find that it's helpful for people with the established respiratory corona infection. 00:17:14.760 --> 00:17:17.320 And what was the name of that again, Ray? 00:17:17.320 --> 00:17:18.320 The Chinese? 00:17:18.320 --> 00:17:19.320 cinanserin, C-I-N-A-N-S-E-R-I-N. 00:17:19.320 --> 00:17:20.320 Okay. 00:17:20.320 --> 00:17:42.560 And losartan which is a high blood pressure drug is the most well-known blocker of angiotensin 00:17:42.560 --> 00:17:52.080 receptor, candesartan and there are several others, but losartan is cheap and widely available. 00:17:52.080 --> 00:17:53.080 How do you spell that? 00:17:53.080 --> 00:17:54.080 L-O-S-A-R-T-A-N. 00:17:54.080 --> 00:17:58.640 Ah, just like it sounds. 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:03.120 And what did you call that drug, Ray, is a certain type of? 00:18:03.120 --> 00:18:06.640 Angiotensin 1 receptor blocker. 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:07.960 Okay. 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:13.320 It's quite an action film you just painted for us there. 00:18:13.320 --> 00:18:18.200 I couldn't follow it all, but it seemed pretty interesting. 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:29.280 Basically, the virus just activates an inflammatory process that many other things activate. 00:18:29.280 --> 00:18:38.920 So things that would primarily activate nitric oxide production or serotonin production or 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:47.280 histamine or prostaglandin production, any of these tend to end up in the same condition. 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:57.880 So I think without knowing more about the nature of the infection, I think people who 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:06.040 are taking aspirin, for example, it has a wide range of antiviral properties. 00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:14.840 It's already known to reduce infection from the standard influenza virus, hepatitis C 00:19:14.840 --> 00:19:28.880 virus, rhinovirus, half a dozen well-known viruses are blocked by common aspirin. 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:35.840 There was a study of HIV, even, in which they saw beneficial effects from aspirin. 00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:44.400 Yeah, well, that's certainly available and very cheap, although much maligned. 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:54.440 And D happens to, one of its effects, like progesterone and aspirin, all of our known 00:19:54.440 --> 00:20:04.960 protective pro-immune but anti-inflammatory things lower the expression of antidensin 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:06.640 receptor 1. 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:13.320 So they predispose us to be less inflammable. 00:20:13.320 --> 00:20:19.720 So it sounded like when you say that the, see if I can get my words correctly here, 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:27.160 when it enters your lungs, your cells put out a kind of a lipid of some kind? 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:36.840 Well, naturally, just once we're born and start breathing, we depend on the production 00:20:36.840 --> 00:20:39.640 of this surfactant protein. 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:42.640 So it's everywhere normally. 00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:49.960 And our intestines have similar layers of defenses right at the very surface. 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:57.640 Mucus will be a barrier against infection and then at the surface layers of cells and 00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:58.640 so on. 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:06.120 And these viruses, the coronaviruses, don't just specialize on the lungs. 00:21:06.120 --> 00:21:10.960 They can infect the mucus membranes in the nose and the intestine. 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:23.280 So the thing that some people have been saying that runny noses aren't connected as a precursor 00:21:23.280 --> 00:21:32.320 of the lung infection, but a Russian virologist says that looking at tens of thousands of 00:21:32.320 --> 00:21:39.960 patients, he saw that a runny nose was a typical precursor to the rest of the lung infection 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:47.360 symptoms and that the intestine is just as prone to infection as the lungs. 00:21:47.360 --> 00:21:50.880 So eating something could make you sick if you're feeling weak. 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:57.600 Now I don't know if that's true, but it's possible to eat the virus and it could attack 00:21:57.600 --> 00:21:58.600 your intestines. 00:21:58.600 --> 00:21:59.600 Is that what you're saying? 00:21:59.600 --> 00:22:00.600 Yeah. 00:22:00.600 --> 00:22:05.440 If you get it in your mouth and swallow it, it could infect those as well. 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:06.440 I see. 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:12.320 So it's not your stomach acid you think would take care of it? 00:22:12.320 --> 00:22:13.320 Not necessarily. 00:22:13.320 --> 00:22:19.520 The stomach acid doesn't break down the nucleic acid. 00:22:19.520 --> 00:22:20.520 I see. 00:22:20.520 --> 00:22:27.040 Now, if you're a healthy person, the mucus I understand is often a protective layer, 00:22:27.040 --> 00:22:28.040 correct? 00:22:28.040 --> 00:22:29.800 Like I think you just said that. 00:22:29.800 --> 00:22:36.920 And if your mucus is healthy and working correctly, would it be able to kill the virus or is this 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:38.920 virus just too much for it? 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:45.720 Yeah, the surface cells including the mucus have proteins analogous to the surfactant 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:54.840 in the lung, proteins that collect the surface groups of a pathogen and bind them together. 00:22:54.840 --> 00:22:58.000 So it's just like putting flypaper on them sort of. 00:22:58.000 --> 00:22:59.000 Oh yeah. 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:00.000 Right. 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.840 And I was thinking it sounded a little bit like soap. 00:23:02.840 --> 00:23:03.840 You said it was soap-like. 00:23:03.840 --> 00:23:19.360 Yeah, the hydrophobic surface itself tends to disorganize some of the invaders. 00:23:19.360 --> 00:23:22.280 For instance, they're telling us to wash our hands all the time. 00:23:22.280 --> 00:23:24.680 And how does soap kill a virus? 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:25.920 Do you know? 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:34.960 I'm taking the proteins, dissolving, making relatively insoluble things soluble because 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:43.960 the soap has that hydrophobic fraction that sticks to hydrophobic insoluble parts of an 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:47.360 organism and disassembles it. 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:48.360 I see. 00:23:48.360 --> 00:23:49.360 Inside out. 00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:50.360 Right. 00:23:50.360 --> 00:23:53.640 So that's a good thing. 00:23:53.640 --> 00:24:01.920 Now is the COVID-19, it sounds like it's a little better at breaking into our system, 00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:08.640 so to speak, than a normal cold, which is also, I've heard a cold is also a coronavirus. 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.640 Is that true? 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:10.640 No. 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:17.920 A cold can be caused by any of these. 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:25.880 If your immune system is good, like one study found that almost half of all of the respiratory 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:31.920 infections, they couldn't identify a particular cause. 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:37.000 But the rhinovirus was the biggest at about 30%. 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:44.560 That's the most common cold virus that is identified, but there are lots of unknown 00:24:44.560 --> 00:24:46.840 things that cause those symptoms. 00:24:46.840 --> 00:24:56.560 And then the coronavirus is in the range of somewhere between 5 and 15% of those respiratory 00:24:56.560 --> 00:24:57.560 infections. 00:24:57.560 --> 00:24:58.560 I see. 00:24:58.560 --> 00:25:08.440 So do you think the reaction of the government at this point is over the top considering? 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:16.280 Unless it was their purpose to create international chaos, for example, to try to finish off Iran 00:25:16.280 --> 00:25:26.320 by cutting off their medical supplies while they're having a pandemic. 00:25:26.320 --> 00:25:27.320 That's right. 00:25:27.320 --> 00:25:30.960 The Trump administration is intensifying the sanctions at this point. 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:31.960 Yeah. 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:36.760 You would suppose that it would fit into their plans. 00:25:36.760 --> 00:25:42.960 And if it's not really a threat, otherwise it becomes a threat when you do all of these 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.880 insane things. 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:50.320 For example, I just learned that all of my favorite brands of milk have been discontinued 00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:53.480 for the duration of the panic. 00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:54.480 Really? 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.520 Why is that? 00:25:56.520 --> 00:25:57.520 I don't know. 00:25:57.520 --> 00:25:59.400 I don't think they know. 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.360 Are they claiming milk as a carrier? 00:26:01.360 --> 00:26:03.080 No, no. 00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:11.360 But I have noticed that over the last several weeks, the Lucerne brand that I normally get, 00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:17.360 they reduced it to one little row in the supermarket and weren't replenishing that. 00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:21.120 But then today they said they were discontinuing it. 00:26:21.120 --> 00:26:22.120 Wow. 00:26:22.120 --> 00:26:23.120 That's annoying. 00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:29.000 Well, worse than annoying because you don't have any milk. 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.000 Yeah. 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.320 Well, yeah, I'm sort of puzzled by the reaction. 00:26:33.320 --> 00:26:39.400 And everybody around here is, you know, trying to cope with it. 00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:48.080 Yeah, the media, including the big science media like Nature, the international science 00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:59.120 magazine, they are getting kind of excited in denying that it was an intentionally created 00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:04.240 virus which was leaked either accidentally or intentionally. 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:14.760 Just, I think, yesterday published a paper explaining technically why it would be impossible 00:27:14.760 --> 00:27:16.560 for them to have done it. 00:27:16.560 --> 00:27:25.320 But the fact that they're rushing so fast to deny that it could have been leaked accidentally 00:27:25.320 --> 00:27:26.520 out of a lab. 00:27:26.520 --> 00:27:33.040 But when you look at the fact that normally they say that it takes over a year to produce 00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:39.520 a vaccine to a new respiratory infection. 00:27:39.520 --> 00:27:46.680 But they're already now within weeks saying that they have a vaccine ready to test. 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:58.720 The purpose of CDC patenting the coronavirus 17 years ago was deliberately to create pathogens 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:08.080 experimentally to enable them to anticipate a pathogen so that they could create, have 00:28:08.080 --> 00:28:10.080 a vaccine ready. 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:15.120 So their intention was to have a vaccine ready by creating a pathogen. 00:28:15.120 --> 00:28:20.760 But now they're saying they couldn't possibly have created this, but they do happen to have 00:28:20.760 --> 00:28:25.720 a vaccine almost ready to use. 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.920 So by their own declarations it sounds very suspicious. 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:36.280 Yeah, I feel like there's a tremendous conflict of interest at the CDC. 00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:39.200 I know we're supposed to respect them. 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.920 Yes, same as the World Health Organization. 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:49.720 The head of that on January 29th said it's not a pandemic. 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.640 And then the next day said it is a pandemic. 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:56.440 I think something happened to him politically. 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:57.440 I see. 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:02.960 Yeah, it's, I mean, they haven't, a pandemic was supposed to reach a much higher bar as 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:07.120 my understanding than we've reached at this point. 00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:13.800 Well as I said, I don't see any evidence that it's anything different from last year or 00:29:13.800 --> 00:29:18.280 10 years ago. 00:29:18.280 --> 00:29:22.680 Maybe you could explain the conflict of interest at the World Health Organization. 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.000 I'm not familiar with that. 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:31.320 People working there who have close connections to the vaccine industry. 00:29:31.320 --> 00:29:40.560 I think Robert Kennedy Jr.'s website has information about the conflicts of interest. 00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:46.480 Yeah, he's spoken quite eloquently about that. 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:51.200 And our own CDC, you mentioned that they have a patent on the coronavirus. 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.200 Why would they patent that? 00:29:53.200 --> 00:30:00.880 Well, so that they can license a vaccine, I suppose. 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:07.760 I see that gives them the right, sole right to licensing a vaccine that would treat that. 00:30:07.760 --> 00:30:16.760 Yeah, and now Trump's, I can't remember the name, I think his name is Foshee, Foshee, F-A-C. 00:30:16.760 --> 00:30:18.120 I've heard him speak. 00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:21.360 He actually seems like a fairly straightforward person. 00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:25.760 And he was saying it would be at least a year and a half minimum to put out a vaccine. 00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:28.320 Do you think he's just out of the loop? 00:30:28.320 --> 00:30:32.600 No, no, that's what they've been saying. 00:30:32.600 --> 00:30:44.960 Virologists in general say it takes time to develop it and to do actual testing. 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:53.560 I think that's a very optimistic idea because if they really had to test it, you know, it 00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:55.160 would take a generation. 00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:58.600 Because they tested on animals. 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:08.880 Yeah, and the way they have tested the safety of it, for example, is to, in the control 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:19.920 group to use the same adjuvant, aluminum adjuvant, for example, which is the most dangerous component. 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:25.800 So they're using fraudulent safety tests. 00:31:25.800 --> 00:31:29.840 You can't have a test without a control group. 00:31:29.840 --> 00:31:35.760 I see, you mean the control group is being fed the same adjuvant, which is actually an 00:31:35.760 --> 00:31:41.000 a... explain what an adjuvant is, Ray, you'll do it much better than I will. 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:50.200 It creates a derangement of, in this case, the muscle is where they inject it. 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:59.280 And anything that you inject into the muscle is going to damage it and start an immune 00:31:59.280 --> 00:32:00.600 corrective process. 00:32:00.600 --> 00:32:10.600 But they found that just pathogens, particles, weren't enough to really tear up the tissue 00:32:10.600 --> 00:32:13.760 to produce a violent immune reaction. 00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:23.160 So they found that aluminum oxide particles created a terrific immunological storm that 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:28.600 would sometimes create a little tumor or abscess at the site. 00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:31.480 It was such an intense damage. 00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:42.840 But that extreme inflammation at the point of injection activates a better, more systemic 00:32:42.840 --> 00:32:44.640 immune reaction. 00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:50.040 It turns your whole body into an inflammatory system. 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:57.560 And so people very, very often have a fever for a couple of days after getting a shot. 00:32:57.560 --> 00:33:01.120 So that's why some people, when they get a flu shot, they feel like they have a mild 00:33:01.120 --> 00:33:02.120 flu. 00:33:02.120 --> 00:33:04.320 Yeah, it's the same thing. 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:10.400 It's a systemic inflammatory reaction, which is the whole purpose of the adjuvant. 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:18.200 It wouldn't be an adjuvant if it didn't damage your whole inflammatory system. 00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:22.760 So you're saying when they do the testing, they don't have a controlled group that doesn't 00:33:22.760 --> 00:33:23.760 receive the adjuvant. 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:32.440 Yeah, in many of the studies, that isn't a universal situation, but several of the very 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:38.960 important studies were completely fraudulent by not having a control group. 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:46.800 Yeah, I think that's considered standard in double-blind testing, isn't it? 00:33:46.800 --> 00:33:48.080 Yeah. 00:33:48.080 --> 00:33:53.800 I have a number of questions here, but maybe talk a little bit more about vaccines. 00:33:53.800 --> 00:34:01.880 They keep harking back to the so-called Spanish flu, I think it was in 1918, that took a tremendous 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:07.960 toll on lives over, I think, a year or two period. 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.520 It was blamed on Spain, I think sort of like Trump is blaming it on China, but it turned 00:34:12.520 --> 00:34:16.360 out it actually came from a US Army base. 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:24.600 And I just read recently that that so-called flu that started on the Army base for these 00:34:24.600 --> 00:34:31.400 soldiers who had just been drafted and then were shipped over to Europe, that that might 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:39.840 have been caused by a vaccine that the Rockefeller Center was testing on those soldiers who were 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.200 basically draftees. 00:34:43.200 --> 00:34:44.360 Have you heard anything about that? 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.880 And I was wondering if you could talk about that. 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:54.480 I haven't heard any more than what you said, but do you know about the movie Vaxxed? 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:56.720 Yes, I do. 00:34:56.720 --> 00:35:05.920 There's information in that about the Gulf War syndrome and the anthrax vaccine. 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:12.320 People were getting the Gulf War syndrome without leaving the US following their anthrax 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:13.320 vaccination. 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:14.320 That's right. 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:20.040 I think there were a lot of complaints by veterans about those vaccines. 00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:27.760 And also the nurses who were giving them who felt terrible about administrating them. 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:34.680 I'm just going to read a little thing here about this article I found at lewrockwell.com. 00:35:34.680 --> 00:35:40.240 It's looking at research that was done about the Spanish flu. 00:35:40.240 --> 00:35:46.040 And this scientist who looked into it, who looked back at the autopsies, they were all 00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:57.080 the people who died of the flu supposedly tested positive for bacterial pneumonia. 00:35:57.080 --> 00:36:02.640 So for some reason, they all got bacterial pneumonia and that's what this person believes 00:36:02.640 --> 00:36:04.680 killed them. 00:36:04.680 --> 00:36:06.920 And that's different than the flu? 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.160 Oh, definitely. 00:36:09.160 --> 00:36:22.520 But the CDC accounts pretty much that would fall into the unknown category of severe respiratory 00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:25.840 syndromes. 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:39.120 So to get their annual 40 or 50,000 deaths, they can scare people saying that flu gets 00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:41.320 your flu shot. 00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.680 It obviously isn't the flu. 00:36:43.680 --> 00:36:52.360 It's pneumonia from partly unknown causes and partly a variety of viruses that have 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.600 nothing to do with the flu shot. 00:36:54.600 --> 00:37:00.520 Yeah, and of course, veterans in that situation are in the worst environment because they're 00:37:00.520 --> 00:37:06.120 either packed into barracks or into ships being shipped to Europe or in trenches where 00:37:06.120 --> 00:37:07.120 it's very... 00:37:07.120 --> 00:37:17.880 Yeah, the conditions during the First World War were not healthful in general. 00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:24.600 Much of the world was influenced by the war conditions. 00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:42.120 So stress itself is the cause of epidemics. 00:37:42.120 --> 00:37:43.120 A shortage of food will increase the incidence of infectious diseases. 00:37:43.120 --> 00:37:44.120 Yeah, that's a really good point. 00:37:44.120 --> 00:37:50.640 So, I mean, right now, if it's true that this is a pandemic, it seems to mean that people 00:37:50.640 --> 00:37:55.880 all around the world are under a tremendous amount of stress if they're succumbing to 00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:56.880 it. 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:03.400 Do you think that's possibly a cause if it actually is the case that we're succumbing? 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:14.720 Yeah, if anything unusual is happening in the disease world, I think you can blame sanctions 00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:22.240 as one of the big causes that's dislocating the world economy. 00:38:22.240 --> 00:38:27.760 And if you cause unemployment, you're going to increase infectious diseases. 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.760 I mean, poverty causes infectious diseases. 00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:32.760 Yeah. 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:36.100 Yeah, causes ill health. 00:38:36.100 --> 00:38:44.560 And somebody else was speculating that all the places where the hot points for this viral 00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:54.520 infection also coincide with sites of 5G deployment, the new telecommunications standard that involves 00:38:54.520 --> 00:39:00.200 a lot more millimeter waves basically being everywhere in the environment. 00:39:00.200 --> 00:39:04.040 So you can't escape these microwaves. 00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:08.240 Do you think that could contribute to the declining immune system? 00:39:08.240 --> 00:39:09.240 Yeah. 00:39:09.240 --> 00:39:17.960 I saw a good tape, an hour-long lecture by Deborah Davis. 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:23.800 She did a good book on cancer, The Phony War on Cancer. 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:34.840 But this is a very good analysis of the electromagnetic damage. 00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:40.960 Basically they're claiming that it's safe on the basis of absolutely no research, but 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:47.880 the animal research that exists shows that there is a real danger. 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:53.720 That there is a degradation of the immune system from, like cell phones, for instance? 00:39:53.720 --> 00:39:54.720 Yeah. 00:39:54.720 --> 00:40:03.000 For example, some studies, just the mild field from sitting at an electric sewing machine, 00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:08.080 they found that people who had worked on an electric sewing machine for 20 years had a 00:40:08.080 --> 00:40:12.360 very high rate of dementia. 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:18.520 And anything that affects your nervous system is affecting your immune system. 00:40:18.520 --> 00:40:19.520 Right. 00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:23.360 So another reason to go back to a treadle sewing machine and a bicycle. 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:24.360 Yeah. 00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.360 That's right. 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.400 I'm going to switch and go to some questions here, Ray. 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.440 Some people have nicely sent in questions for you tonight, I think mostly about this 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.440 topic. 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:36.440 Okay. 00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:37.960 So I'll proceed with that. 00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.040 Here's Caleb from Ontario, Canada. 00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:47.360 He would like to ask, Ray, how much of a role endotoxin plays in regards to a viral infection 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:52.960 and if the effects of endotoxin are increased in the presence of a virus? 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:59.360 And maybe you could quickly tell everybody what endotoxin is. 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:10.760 Endotoxin is a fatty acid with carbohydrate attached to it. 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:19.840 It's called lipopolysaccharide, but it's just part of the coating of a bacterium. 00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:25.640 And so it's being produced in the living process of the bacteria. 00:41:25.640 --> 00:41:35.560 And normally our intestine filters out most of it, but when you're under stress, more 00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:42.880 of it reaches your liver and your liver is always doing a fairly good job of detoxifying 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:50.080 it, but some of it's always circulating and activating the immune system a little bit. 00:41:50.080 --> 00:41:59.320 But when you're under stress, your liver gets overwhelmed with this bacterial material and 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:08.520 lets it produce inflammation and stress, interfering with oxidative metabolism everywhere in your 00:42:08.520 --> 00:42:09.760 body. 00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:18.960 And it's activating because it interferes with mitochondrial energy production. 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:29.000 It's overlapping with what the angiotensin system is doing anyway, but it activates the 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.400 angiotensin system. 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:39.160 So the viral infection and anything stressing your intestine enough to make it permeable 00:42:39.160 --> 00:42:48.720 to bacterial materials will end up in the same place, making you have inflammatory symptoms, 00:42:48.720 --> 00:42:55.800 sometimes with bowel-centered symptoms, other times lung and head-centered symptoms. 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.200 Yeah, it's always amazed me. 00:42:59.200 --> 00:43:04.400 I didn't believe you when, you know, years ago when I first hear you talk about the intestine 00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:08.760 being so connected to your other organs. 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:10.720 But I do believe you now. 00:43:10.720 --> 00:43:15.760 And if you look at a map of the nerve system, your intestines are connected to all those. 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:26.600 Yeah, it's partly chemical leaking through and partly inflammatory substances like serotonin 00:43:26.600 --> 00:43:32.560 and histamine produced by the intestine itself getting into the bloodstream. 00:43:32.560 --> 00:43:43.360 A tremendous flood of serotonin shows up and circulates in the platelets. 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:55.200 And the nerves directly can transmit signals such as secretion of mucus and production 00:43:55.200 --> 00:44:02.040 of histamine and serotonin and nitric oxide right up in your nose membranes and throat 00:44:02.040 --> 00:44:03.040 membranes. 00:44:03.040 --> 00:44:14.240 And so you can treat the symptoms at the source by swallowing these things. 00:44:14.240 --> 00:44:26.000 So that's why I recommend raw carrot because carrot being indigestible will help to wash 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:30.640 out some of the bacteria that are producing the endotoxin. 00:44:30.640 --> 00:44:40.040 But if you take anti-inflammatory things with it such as olive or coconut oil or aspirin 00:44:40.040 --> 00:44:46.880 or an antihistamine or antibiotic, the carrot will deliver that down all the way through 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:54.480 your intestine offering protection and anti-inflammatory effect. 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:55.480 So it's like... 00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:56.480 Oh, go ahead. 00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:09.760 An early US 20th century gastroenterologist demonstrated that canine distemper which was 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:18.120 thought of as a lung and respiratory disease, he found that before any bacteria or any virus 00:45:18.120 --> 00:45:25.400 occurred in any of these respiratory membranes, there was already a well-established infection 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:35.000 in the intestine and they would start drooling and sniveling because of a nervous or chemical 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.080 signal from an inflamed intestine. 00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:47.920 So no pathogen was present in these inflamed respiratory membranes. 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.120 It was all coming from the intestine. 00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:58.720 I think that's very generally neglected in people treating respiratory sicknesses. 00:45:58.720 --> 00:46:06.240 They let them go on eating things that are known to favor bacterial growth in the small 00:46:06.240 --> 00:46:07.840 intestine for example. 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:15.640 Yeah, and if anybody's, I mean, interested in an everyday sort of phenomenon, notice 00:46:15.640 --> 00:46:22.360 when you eat something, a lot of times your nose will start to get moist on the inside. 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:27.940 Maybe it's my age now, I'm almost 65, but when I eat something now, it doesn't always 00:46:27.940 --> 00:46:31.360 happen but I start to get a slightly runny nose. 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:39.560 Yeah, that was something I noticed about 60 some years ago when I worked in the woods. 00:46:39.560 --> 00:46:47.920 I would come in to eat supper in a restaurant and I noticed day after day, I would see someone 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:54.560 eating paella mode or a milkshake and by the time they got to the cash register, they would 00:46:54.560 --> 00:46:55.560 be sniffling. 00:46:55.560 --> 00:47:00.680 Oh, just the thought of it. 00:47:00.680 --> 00:47:03.000 Was it just the thought of it that did that? 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:13.680 No, I think it was loosening up mucus, producing sort of a therapeutic cleansing reaction when 00:47:13.680 --> 00:47:17.200 they got their blood sugar up. 00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:26.640 The first stage of inflammation increases circulation but it can dry up the membranes 00:47:26.640 --> 00:47:38.920 and the mucus that they secrete becomes gummy and hardened and produces a dry cough but 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:44.840 when you get your blood sugar up, the process can complete itself. 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:52.840 It seems to need enough energy to produce a good flow of blood and mucus production 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:56.640 so it can wash away the histamine. 00:47:56.640 --> 00:48:02.200 Okay, I'm going to move on to another question. 00:48:02.200 --> 00:48:04.080 Running out of time here amazingly. 00:48:04.080 --> 00:48:11.920 What about the theory that viruses are simply phages or somatids from bacteria and viral 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:17.080 infections are really caused by occult intracellular bacteria? 00:48:17.080 --> 00:48:21.960 Luke Montenger, if I'm saying that right, probably not, for instance, insists that there 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:29.200 must be an occult bacteria associated with HIV. 00:48:29.200 --> 00:48:37.640 Those things do exist but I don't think he was right in that, blaming it all on occult 00:48:37.640 --> 00:48:41.840 bacteria. 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:48.880 We are loaded with potential viruses. 00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:58.000 Several percent of our genome, some people have identified as potential viruses or retroviruses 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:12.640 and these are DNA that has been built into our system by an exposure to the environment. 00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:23.920 There's a lab in Germany that shows that you can identify beef DNA after you eat beef in 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:31.200 a bloodstream and then you can find it integrated into our genome. 00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:41.080 Whatever we eat that has DNA in it is likely to be able to enter cells and be integrated 00:49:41.080 --> 00:49:47.360 as a potential resource but when we're put under stress, it's something that Barbara 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:56.000 McClintock was very unpopular for in the 1940s and 50s when she talked about the jumping 00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:04.160 genes but she showed that stress causes genes to come out of the chromosomes and move around 00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:09.920 to a different place. 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:19.320 Since we have these retroviruses, I think it's very almost certain that under stress 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:27.800 we will express retroviruses that have been in us for generations and if you look for 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:33.840 them, it will look like you have caught a viral infection from the outside. 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.720 That's what Peter Duesberg has been saying now for years. 00:50:37.720 --> 00:50:42.840 It's very interesting but it's really just something coming out of you when you're getting 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:43.840 disorganized. 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:53.920 Yeah, when the people with the tests for the HIV virus have looked at blood stored from 00:50:53.920 --> 00:51:04.960 army recruits in the 1960s and 70s, every year the stored blood showed roughly a one-half 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:14.280 percent HIV infection, every year the same and more recent tests have been in the same 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.040 range of a general population. 00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:22.640 If you look at sick people, you'll find a higher percentage so it looks like an epidemic. 00:51:22.640 --> 00:51:31.040 You go to Africa where people are under stress and exposed to many infectious diseases, you'll 00:51:31.040 --> 00:51:41.360 find a very high infectious rate so-called of HIV virus but the standard healthy population 00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:51.640 historically has been one-half percent and if you stir up the organism and cause rearrangement 00:51:51.640 --> 00:52:00.880 of the genes as McClintock showed, the stress induces the expression of what we can call 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:01.880 viruses, retroviruses. 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.080 I see, I never understood what that meant before. 00:52:06.080 --> 00:52:13.440 I'm going to move right along here because here's a pertinent question. 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:20.120 This says, "I heard that immunity after an infection with a coronavirus is quite short-lived. 00:52:20.120 --> 00:52:24.960 Unfortunately, I do not remember where I heard this. 00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.600 Does Mr. Peat have any opinion on acquired immunity to coronaviruses?" 00:52:29.600 --> 00:52:40.960 No, not at all but one thing that is known is that after this kind of a severe respiratory 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:52.120 infection, there is a great increase in the risk of pulmonary fibrosis just because inflammation 00:52:52.120 --> 00:52:58.560 leads to fibrosis and reduced lung function. 00:52:58.560 --> 00:53:09.720 So apart from any future risk, I think the real thing to worry about is to stop the progression 00:53:09.720 --> 00:53:20.880 of that angiotensin-related inflammatory production of tissue fibrosis and stiffness. 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:24.400 I see and anti-inflammatories will do that. 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:25.400 Yeah. 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:31.280 I see and what's the best way of delivering an anti-inflammatory to the lung? 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.120 I think through the mouth. 00:53:33.120 --> 00:53:34.120 Okay. 00:53:34.120 --> 00:53:43.800 So just eating it like Losartan is currently and the Chinese are recommending a variety 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:44.800 of things. 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:52.560 They are including some virus-killing chemicals but I think their main recommendations are 00:53:52.560 --> 00:54:04.280 Losartan and cinanserin, the anti-serotonin things being very broad-spectrum protective 00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:05.280 anti-inflammatory. 00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:14.680 So I think Ciproheptadine is a good, safe, broad anti-inflammatory. 00:54:14.680 --> 00:54:22.360 And a lot of people are recommending the old approach to viruses, the idea of killing the 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:35.760 virus and in the 70s and 80s, antivirals based on the idea of nucleoside analogs to mutate 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:44.160 the DNA of the virus, acyclovir and ribavirin for example. 00:54:44.160 --> 00:54:54.760 And at that time, a lot of people were saying if you mutate the DNA or RNA of a virus, aren't 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:59.200 you likely to be mutating the human DNA? 00:54:59.200 --> 00:55:08.120 And the FDA approved studies that said absolutely no, they're absolutely not going to mutate 00:55:08.120 --> 00:55:10.800 your gonadal DNA. 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:19.360 But in recent years, 40 some years later, the studies are saying yes, definitely they 00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.880 injure the gonads and mutate human DNA. 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:33.720 So people are now recommending widespread use protectively of nucleoside analog antivirals. 00:55:33.720 --> 00:55:43.240 But I think widespread use of that is going to create genetic damage to the reproducing 00:55:43.240 --> 00:55:44.240 population. 00:55:44.240 --> 00:55:50.840 Yeah, and we're already seeing a lot of sterility amongst the general population. 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.800 But we really don't have any more time. 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:57.120 So I apologize to everybody who sent in questions and we didn't get to them. 00:55:57.120 --> 00:56:03.120 Maybe perhaps Dr. Peat, you'll come back sometime and we could cover some of these. 00:56:03.120 --> 00:56:08.760 Perhaps at this point, with only four minutes left to go, we should just sum up what's the 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:14.440 best course of action for people to protect themselves? 00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:25.320 My first recommendation was to eat well and make sure your vitamin D level is up to around 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:36.520 50 to 60 nanograms per milliliter on a blood test, which often takes 5,000 units a day. 00:56:36.520 --> 00:56:42.960 And to use a very safe antiviral such as aspirin. 00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:51.880 But if there's a sign of an infection, then I think Losartan and the antiserotonin things 00:56:51.880 --> 00:57:00.040 would be appropriate to limit the degree of inflammation and not to worry about killing 00:57:00.040 --> 00:57:10.200 the virus or becoming immune to some future variant because your immune system is a lot 00:57:10.200 --> 00:57:17.400 better than the vaccines, but still the immune system doesn't necessarily keep up with a 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.160 mutating virus. 00:57:19.160 --> 00:57:20.160 Okay. 00:57:20.160 --> 00:57:29.760 And the Losartan and cyproheptadine are good things to go to if aspirin isn't working? 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.760 I think so. 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.760 The Chinese recommend cinanserin. 00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:35.680 Oh, that's right. 00:57:35.680 --> 00:57:40.400 I don't know if it might be better than cyproheptadine. 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:41.840 Okay. 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.040 And you can also get vitamin D from sunlight, right? 00:57:45.040 --> 00:57:48.520 If you're in some place where it's sunny enough. 00:57:48.520 --> 00:57:50.520 That's the best thing. 00:57:50.520 --> 00:57:51.520 Yeah. 00:57:51.520 --> 00:57:52.520 All right. 00:57:52.520 --> 00:57:56.320 Well, thanks for being on the air tonight, Ray. 00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:57.760 I really appreciate it. 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.480 And I think everybody else does too. 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.000 And if you don't mind sometime coming back, we'll get to these other questions. 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.880 Okay, any time. 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:07.720 Okay, that's wonderful. 00:58:07.720 --> 00:58:10.560 So maybe we'll do it next week if you're up for it. 00:58:10.560 --> 00:58:11.560 Okay. 00:58:11.560 --> 00:58:12.560 Great. 00:58:12.560 --> 00:58:16.440 Well, thanks so much and I'm wishing you a good night and stay healthy. 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:17.440 Okay, thanks. 00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:18.440 Bye. 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:19.440 Okay, thanks, Ray. 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:20.440 Bye-bye. 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:21.440 All right. 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:23.320 Thanks, everybody, for listening tonight. 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:25.480 You heard Dr. Raymond Peat. 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.960 And if you want more of his information, he has many articles on his website, which is 00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:35.480 raypeat.com. 00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:36.960 There is no charge. 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:44.960 You can just go there and read a lot of good information and very interesting stuff too. 00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.000 So I hope you can avail yourself of that. 00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.420 I've been your host for Politics and Science, John Barkhausen. 00:58:52.420 --> 00:58:57.600 And it looks like next week we'll be back again with Dr. Raymond Peat to talk more 00:58:57.600 --> 00:59:03.200 about the coronavirus and get to some of the questions that we didn't get to tonight. 00:59:03.200 --> 00:59:05.600 And thanks to everybody who sent in questions. 00:59:05.600 --> 00:59:13.260 They were excellent and we'll get to more of them next week, five o'clock Eastern Standard 00:59:13.260 --> 00:59:18.520 Time at wmrw.org. 00:59:18.520 --> 00:59:23.520 And now it's time to say this is WMRW LP Warren. 00:59:23.520 --> 00:59:29.440 And we're going to Letters in Politics with Mitch Jeseritz. 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:30.040 Thanks for listening. 00:59:30.040 --> 00:59:40.040 [BLANK_AUDIO]