WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.000 and T5. 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:06.200 And it might be a wonderful world for you if you listen to our guest, Dr. Raymond Peat. 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:07.200 Aloha, Dr. Peat. 00:00:07.200 --> 00:00:08.200 How are you today? 00:00:08.200 --> 00:00:09.200 Hello. 00:00:09.200 --> 00:00:10.200 Very good. 00:00:10.200 --> 00:00:11.200 Good. 00:00:11.200 --> 00:00:13.040 We're so thrilled to have you on our show. 00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:16.920 All week long, Karen and I have been telling people in our store that you're going to be 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.040 our guest, and everybody loves your books. 00:00:19.040 --> 00:00:23.640 But I was kind of interested in your background, Dr. Peat. 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:30.160 I understand you started working with hormones and progesterone all the way back in 1968. 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:34.880 I'm kind of curious, what caused you to get into this field? 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:42.560 I had been teaching linguistics and painting, alternately, but I had been interested in 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.920 science from childhood. 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:57.480 I saw medical, so-called science, going off in very perverse directions through the 1950s. 00:00:57.480 --> 00:01:09.560 And so I didn't think of going to the university graduate school in biology, because my dad's 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:19.920 experience in high school biology, very, very retarded textbooks and so on, made me think 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:27.080 that there wasn't much science in the biological field. 00:01:27.080 --> 00:01:34.280 But finally, I decided that I needed to use laboratory instruments that were too expensive 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:35.280 to get myself. 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:43.000 So I enrolled in graduate school and figured that just by not arguing with the teachers, 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:51.120 I could get through the program and get to use the labs, which I did. 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:56.040 Now, your insight always amazes me, because I'm one of those gullible believers. 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:01.440 When I'm told that I, for instance, should take estrogen because I'm aging, I believed. 00:02:01.440 --> 00:02:06.320 In fact, I was writing a dissertation on the positive benefits of estrogen until I met 00:02:06.320 --> 00:02:10.800 you, and it blew all that stuff right out of the water. 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:17.160 And I look back at how gullible I was and how easily people are misled into believing 00:02:17.160 --> 00:02:19.840 what the pharmaceutical industries want them to believe. 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:20.840 And so- 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:21.840 Advertising is very powerful. 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:34.960 A group of 13 estrogen companies got together in 1942 when it was already known that estrogen 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:42.120 caused miscarriages, sterility, cancer, seizures, and so on. 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:49.720 But they had the product, and they wanted to sell it as the female hormone, even though 00:02:49.720 --> 00:02:52.320 it's also a male hormone. 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:59.960 But they got together, and with advertising and political pressure, they convinced the 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:07.280 FDA to approve the use of estrogen to prevent miscarriages, which it caused, actually. 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:15.800 And by advertising, they got the public interested in estrogen as an anti-aging hormone. 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:23.160 So it started really with a definite conspiracy of 13 companies in 1942. 00:03:23.160 --> 00:03:27.120 And it's continued to this day, even with well-meaning individuals like Suzanne Somers, 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.360 who advocates the use of bioidentical hormones. 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:35.640 She always throws large amounts of estrogen into the equation, including the estriol. 00:03:35.640 --> 00:03:38.640 So would you mind talking about that? 00:03:38.640 --> 00:03:49.920 Yeah, the body has many protective systems for inactivating estrogen, the strong estrogen, 00:03:49.920 --> 00:03:51.520 estradiol. 00:03:51.520 --> 00:04:02.960 And so it has enzymes to oxidize in different ways this fairly reduced form of estrogen. 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:13.200 By oxidizing it to estriol or estrone, it reduces the estrogen-like activity. 00:04:13.200 --> 00:04:18.640 It also has several other systems for destroying estrogen efficiently. 00:04:18.640 --> 00:04:25.440 If your metabolism is working very well, estrogen should be totally eliminated after about 12 00:04:25.440 --> 00:04:31.280 hours, following ovulation and implantation. 00:04:31.280 --> 00:04:36.280 And it should be disposed of thoroughly within a few days of ovulation. 00:04:36.280 --> 00:04:43.960 I was going to say, Dr. Peat, I'm even amazed when we're talking about estrogen that, having 00:04:43.960 --> 00:04:48.960 worked in the natural foods industry now for 42 years, when I read my trade magazines, 00:04:48.960 --> 00:04:56.920 I'm still seeing advertisements for estrogen-based products in all the natural food trade magazines. 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:02.400 It's still not only in the pharmaceutical industry, it's in the natural foods industry. 00:05:02.400 --> 00:05:05.400 And I like it that you and Karen can straighten people out. 00:05:05.400 --> 00:05:08.120 But it's not that estrogen is bad, right? 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:12.280 It's that it needs to be in a certain ratio. 00:05:12.280 --> 00:05:19.880 I've been thinking of how common estrogen is throughout the universe. 00:05:19.880 --> 00:05:28.440 Anytime an organism is injured, it produces estrogen, which stimulates growth and repair. 00:05:28.440 --> 00:05:37.000 But an even more common biological material is ATP, the so-called energy molecule. 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:45.120 And anytime we're injured, or even when a cell is slightly stressed, it loses some of 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:53.880 its ATP, which acts as a signal to other cells to repair the damage. 00:05:53.880 --> 00:06:05.360 But when a lizard is attacked and drops its tail, it's probably a surge of ATP that cuts 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.360 the tail off. 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:18.280 And ATP forms to make a blister, dissolving the tissue between the layers of skin so that 00:06:18.280 --> 00:06:19.280 fluid flows in. 00:06:19.280 --> 00:06:29.840 ATP, our most life-supporting basic molecule, has these potentially deadly destructive effects, 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:35.640 cutting off dissolving tissue so that repair can take place. 00:06:35.640 --> 00:06:39.400 Estrogen is just supposed to be biologically active. 00:06:39.400 --> 00:06:45.000 It is an excitant at an early stage of injury. 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:55.480 Like it slightly inflames the uterus to cause the growth of cells, preparing a place for 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.840 the embryo to implant. 00:06:58.840 --> 00:07:07.080 But if the estrogen stays present too long, it kills the embryo by overexciting the surrounding 00:07:07.080 --> 00:07:09.080 cells. 00:07:09.080 --> 00:07:19.400 In the 1950s, my thesis advisor, Soderwal, was demonstrating that by giving an estrogen 00:07:19.400 --> 00:07:28.240 supplement to a pregnant animal, the day that it becomes pregnant, you can prevent implantation 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:32.680 by a small amount, such as is used in birth control pills. 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:39.920 And that's how they work, by a quick abortion, actually, rather than preventing conception, 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.720 they're preventing implantation. 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:50.040 And he found that on second, third, fourth days and so on, following implantation, if 00:07:50.040 --> 00:08:00.120 you gave just slightly larger amounts of estrogen all the way up until delivery, staying on 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:08.600 the same slope of increasing doses of estrogen, you could kill the embryo or the fetus just 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:17.640 by adjusting the dose of estrogen to counteract the increasing progesterone, which is there 00:08:17.640 --> 00:08:20.280 to maintain pregnancy. 00:08:20.280 --> 00:08:27.760 So at any stage, estrogen produces abortion when it is out of balance with progesterone. 00:08:27.760 --> 00:08:32.200 And so if a woman is pregnant and the progesterone levels don't increase... 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:39.880 Yeah, when a woman is either having a sluggish liver, low thyroid, so that her estrogen is 00:08:39.880 --> 00:08:47.720 chronically too high or her progesterone is chronically low, she will often bleed every 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:54.200 month, several months into the pregnancy as if she were menstruating on cycle. 00:08:54.200 --> 00:09:01.520 And during any of those cyclic surges of estrogen, that's when miscarriages are most likely to 00:09:01.520 --> 00:09:02.520 happen. 00:09:02.520 --> 00:09:08.120 And then how would this affect the sexual persuasion of the child who, should that pregnancy 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:13.160 make it all the way to the end, how would that affect the child being bathed in a more 00:09:13.160 --> 00:09:16.440 highly estrogenic environment? 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:29.680 It damages the sexual differentiation, but there is some research that stress prematally 00:09:29.680 --> 00:09:35.560 causes an intersexual differentiation. 00:09:35.560 --> 00:09:37.520 And what does that mean exactly? 00:09:37.520 --> 00:09:40.760 Not definitely either one. 00:09:40.760 --> 00:09:43.920 And how would that show up with sexual organs? 00:09:43.920 --> 00:09:46.360 Does that mean you would have like hermaphroditism? 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:55.960 Well, no, the main thing is that the male has smaller genitals and the distance between 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:02.800 the genitals and the anus is decreased in proportion to the estrogen. 00:10:02.800 --> 00:10:05.920 And would that affect a more transgender society? 00:10:05.920 --> 00:10:17.520 Yeah, they're seeing the distance that characterizes the estrogen exposure of male genitals decreasing 00:10:17.520 --> 00:10:22.640 in recent decades in polluted countries. 00:10:22.640 --> 00:10:28.520 And so would you say that oftentimes when people say, "Hey, I was born this way," as 00:10:28.520 --> 00:10:34.680 in men who are gay, women who are lesbian, truly are born this way due to this? 00:10:34.680 --> 00:10:37.440 Sure, I think that's a big part of it. 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:52.720 You can see it in crocodiles and alligators and ocean otters and fish, frogs. 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.720 Everyone is affected by the estrogen pollution. 00:10:55.720 --> 00:11:01.080 And it's amazing to me that you pointed out some things that no one like myself would 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:06.800 ever even consider in their wildest imaginations would have an estrogenic effect, such as x-rays 00:11:06.800 --> 00:11:08.120 and radiation. 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:12.200 So being that, I'd like your feeling on the Fukushima radiation, whether you think that's 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:16.080 gone away and is harmless or are those... 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:22.920 Did you read about the mad cow, a dairy cow that turned out to be infected with so-called 00:11:22.920 --> 00:11:29.840 spongiform encephalopathy? 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.240 I did, and I was curious what your take on that would be. 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:42.720 I suspect that it's exposure to the Japanese radiation of the animals in California, because 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:51.840 the breakout of mad cow disease in England was in the area where Chernobyl radiation 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:58.560 rained down on the pastures, and it followed in the years immediately following Chernobyl 00:11:58.560 --> 00:11:59.560 exposure. 00:11:59.560 --> 00:12:07.360 And who came up with the lies about the sheep awful and that stuff causing... 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:18.440 The Pentagon was doing that in the 1940s following the atomic bomb, 1950s with the hydrogen bomb. 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:31.080 When the fallout from the hydrogen bomb drifted across the island, they sent Carlton Gajdicek, 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:36.640 I think his name was. 00:12:36.640 --> 00:12:46.200 He was a pediatrician, but he was posing as a virologist, but he was sent by the military 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:52.760 to an area that had been exposed to hydrogen bomb fallout to study what supposedly was 00:12:52.760 --> 00:13:03.960 a traditional brain disease, Kuru, that he claimed had been passed on for generations 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:13.600 by cannibalism, but actually it was never reported before the hydrogen bomb fallout. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:23.680 And he was, in a miraculously short time, he identified what he claimed was a new slow 00:13:23.680 --> 00:13:30.960 virus and got the Nobel Prize for discovering a virus that probably doesn't exist. 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:37.440 But the whole thing was a military cover-up, basically. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.400 He was not a virologist, didn't know anything about it, didn't do the kind of research that 00:13:43.400 --> 00:13:50.560 could have identified it, and the same symptoms can be produced by radiation. 00:13:50.560 --> 00:13:54.840 So is there anything we can do to protect ourselves from this radiation, from Fukushima, 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:55.840 from x-rays? 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:01.560 Because every time I go to the dentist, he insists that I must have an x-ray, which he 00:14:01.560 --> 00:14:06.400 of course says is like sitting in the sun, and now they have these new Panoramics. 00:14:06.400 --> 00:14:11.760 You have all this bologna, and it's very difficult to talk them out of doing these x-rays, but 00:14:11.760 --> 00:14:13.680 you point out that they're estrogenic. 00:14:13.680 --> 00:14:19.520 So is there anything that we can do to offset any damage from the x-rays? 00:14:19.520 --> 00:14:24.920 Yeah, two or three papers were published. 00:14:24.920 --> 00:14:34.360 I discussed them in my radiation newsletter January of a year ago. 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:45.120 They showed that estrogen was synergistic with radiation in causing cancer, and that 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:52.280 the same way that progesterone blocks cancer produced by estrogen, it also blocks cancer 00:14:52.280 --> 00:14:56.200 produced by radiation. 00:14:56.200 --> 00:15:00.120 And so if someone knew that they had a history of a lot of diagnostic x-rays, one of the 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.880 ways they could possibly prevent some long-term effects is to start using progesterone on 00:15:04.880 --> 00:15:06.560 a regular basis? 00:15:06.560 --> 00:15:14.120 Yeah, I think on the long term, that is protective. 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:23.320 They know that when they do the so-called gamma knife brain treatment, that the symptoms 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:32.920 of nerve cell degeneration aren't seen for usually more than 18 months, sometimes several 00:15:32.920 --> 00:15:34.600 years later. 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:39.600 The cells stay in an inflamed condition. 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:50.840 Like they've seen blood serum 20 years after the Chernobyl, 50 years after the Japanese 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.080 bomb exposures. 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:59.920 They've seen a chronically inflamed condition that shows up even in the blood serum decades 00:15:59.920 --> 00:16:00.920 after exposure. 00:16:00.920 --> 00:16:09.000 And so I think that's the sort of thing that can be reversed even at a late date so that 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:13.120 the chronic inflammatory state doesn't persist. 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:17.120 I hope that's true because I was a military kid who had a lot of diagnostic x-rays, which 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.400 scares me when I think about them. 00:16:19.400 --> 00:16:21.200 So what do you think about... 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:28.520 Vitamin A works with progesterone as another protective thing, but it also happens to sensitize 00:16:28.520 --> 00:16:34.920 you to the radiation that the radiation breaks down the vitamin A in your tissue. 00:16:34.920 --> 00:16:44.080 And so if you replace it after the injury, that helps counteract the estrogen-like effects. 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:51.160 And what would be a good dose of vitamin A on average for a 50-year-old adult woman? 00:16:51.160 --> 00:16:59.760 It's hard to say because being an unsaturated oily material, it can interfere with thyroid 00:16:59.760 --> 00:17:00.760 function. 00:17:00.760 --> 00:17:08.120 So the amount you need corresponds exactly to the level of thyroid activity you have. 00:17:08.120 --> 00:17:16.400 And a low thyroid person can get symptoms of vitamin A poisoning from just a very small 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:26.320 amount like 5,000 units, where when I was in my teens and 20s, I found that I needed 00:17:26.320 --> 00:17:35.760 50 to 100,000 units to prevent having acne or even leukoplakia. 00:17:35.760 --> 00:17:43.040 Following dental x-rays, I would get these white, spongy growths inside my cheeks that 00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:50.520 dentists said were either cancerous or precancerous, and I found that these big doses of vitamin 00:17:50.520 --> 00:17:55.360 A would clear it up completely in a week. 00:17:55.360 --> 00:18:02.480 And that's a precancerous estrogen-stimulated condition that also appears on the cervix 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:03.480 of the uterus. 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:10.360 And vitamin A and progesterone similarly will reverse that. 00:18:10.360 --> 00:18:12.800 And so were you taking thyroid at the time also? 00:18:12.800 --> 00:18:20.480 No, I just happened to be a hyperthyroid person during that period. 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:25.920 And you mentioned that hyper and hypo are actually kind of the same thing. 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:35.880 No, doctors confuse hypothyroidism with hyper for various historical reasons. 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:45.440 But the basic thing that thyroid does is increase your oxidative metabolism. 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:55.200 And when the Synthroid product came on the market, only thyroxine rather than the complete 00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:02.400 combination of T3 and T4, when that came on the market, they wanted to say that thyroxine 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:09.840 was the real thyroid hormone, and it happens that it doesn't stimulate oxidative metabolism 00:19:09.840 --> 00:19:12.760 until it's turned into T3. 00:19:12.760 --> 00:19:22.680 And so for about 20 years, there was the doctrine that thyroid doesn't stimulate oxidative metabolism 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:25.080 as its basic mechanism. 00:19:25.080 --> 00:19:37.160 But in fact, the thyroxine interferes with the oxygen metabolism if it's out of balance. 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:46.680 And it's really the increased consumption of oxygen and production of defensive energy 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:50.280 systems that makes thyroid valuable. 00:19:50.280 --> 00:19:59.560 And for example, the oxidative energy is used to convert cholesterol into pregnenolone and 00:19:59.560 --> 00:20:09.800 progesterone, DHEA, male hormones, and so on, to counteract estrogen as part of the 00:20:09.800 --> 00:20:12.080 defense against estrogen. 00:20:12.080 --> 00:20:19.840 And so if you have excess cholesterol, it's usually because your thyroid is deficient 00:20:19.840 --> 00:20:26.400 or your vitamin A is deficient, and you aren't converting it to the protective progesterone, 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:27.400 testosterone hormones. 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:31.800 Well, if you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Source Nutritional Radio Show with 00:20:31.800 --> 00:20:34.680 our very special guest today, Dr. Ray Peat. 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:40.400 And Dr. Peat, I wanted to ask you, we have Dr. Lita Lee on our radio show probably about 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:43.600 four times a year because she's one of our most interesting guests. 00:20:43.600 --> 00:20:51.440 And I love the expression that she first coined and what is considered a pro-thyroid diet. 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:53.400 And she said you eat organic. 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.440 Do you agree with that, or could you elaborate on that? 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:04.240 Well, lately everyone's been calling their stuff organic. 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:10.800 I was getting a kind of organic whipping cream for my coffee, and I saw they were putting 00:21:10.800 --> 00:21:13.600 carrageenan in it. 00:21:13.600 --> 00:21:23.160 And when they can say that carrageenan is an organic food just because you get it out 00:21:23.160 --> 00:21:32.120 of the ocean, the ocean isn't such a great clean food source anymore. 00:21:32.120 --> 00:21:36.440 And carrageenan is highly allergenic. 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:44.840 People have died by contact with it, and many people have very serious allergic reactions 00:21:44.840 --> 00:21:46.560 to it when they eat it. 00:21:46.560 --> 00:21:50.280 And when it breaks down, it becomes carcinogenic. 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:57.840 But it's still allowed not only in the food supply, but it can be called organic. 00:21:57.840 --> 00:22:10.440 And some of the nuclear industry factions were applying to the government to be able 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:17.440 to call nuclear waste, fertilized food, organic. 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:23.400 Well, I have to say I do work as an organic farm inspector, and I remember when the USDA 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:29.120 was coming up with the standards for organic, they were going to allow human sewage sludge 00:22:29.120 --> 00:22:35.440 to be used as a fertilizer, irradiated food to be labeled organic, and GMO food being 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:36.440 labeled organic. 00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:41.600 And people like Karen and I petitioned the USDA, and I was very surprised because the 00:22:41.600 --> 00:22:46.120 federal government, the USDA, listened to our complaints, saying they would take away 00:22:46.120 --> 00:22:51.880 the integrity of the organic industry if they allow those three things to be labeled organic. 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.360 So I know it's a complicated world. 00:22:54.360 --> 00:23:00.560 It's not always very black and white, but we have to work with some kind of a standard. 00:23:00.560 --> 00:23:08.920 Yeah, carotene is the main problem with some of the foods called organic, but naturally 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:13.680 it's best if you can get really clean organic foods. 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.920 Well, today you'd probably have to grow it yourself. 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.760 Dr. Bink, you mentioned pregnenolone. 00:23:20.760 --> 00:23:24.680 That's one of my favorite supplements since you introduced us to it, and I wonder if you 00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:30.360 could elaborate a little bit on the benefit of pregnenolone and some of the scare tactics 00:23:30.360 --> 00:23:35.520 that are used, put on the labels saying this causes cancer. 00:23:35.520 --> 00:23:44.840 Yeah, that stuff just seems to come out of thin air, the way when some of the drug companies 00:23:44.840 --> 00:23:49.840 in the '40s wanted to get natural progesterone off the market. 00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:54.640 They said you can't take it orally because it's destroyed by the stomach acid. 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:59.120 But there was absolutely no source for that. 00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:05.800 It was just inserted into an article and then multiplied until all the doctors in the country 00:24:05.800 --> 00:24:07.320 believed it. 00:24:07.320 --> 00:24:15.160 And California, for reasons that I explain in one of the articles on my website about 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:25.040 conflicts of interest, California decided to call progesterone a cause of cancer, even 00:24:25.040 --> 00:24:35.320 though the articles they cited to support that position, some of them were very strong 00:24:35.320 --> 00:24:39.360 arguments showing that it prevents cancer. 00:24:39.360 --> 00:24:45.160 And their scientific support was really crazy. 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:53.400 But the fact that California got progesterone on their list of cancer agents, that seems 00:24:53.400 --> 00:25:00.360 to have simply spread over to pregnenolone without any argument at all. 00:25:00.360 --> 00:25:06.960 And so why do these companies acquiesce and put that warning on their label? 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:17.080 Because California gave lawyers a law that lets them collect money for suing anyone that 00:25:17.080 --> 00:25:19.400 they want to. 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:26.280 There have been articles published calling it the "shakedown state" because lawyers were 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:33.880 accusing people for having asphalt in their parking lot because asphalt is carcinogenic 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:34.880 and so on. 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:35.880 Oh my goodness. 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.600 So what is your take on pregnenolone? 00:25:39.600 --> 00:25:45.360 What benefit will that have for people with dementia, for instance? 00:25:45.360 --> 00:25:54.120 If the pregnenolone is well made and pure, and in recent years everything on the market 00:25:54.120 --> 00:26:04.080 does seem to be pure if the retailer isn't adding a lot of crazy excipients, but pure 00:26:04.080 --> 00:26:14.400 pregnenolone has, since the 1940s with experiments in rats, it's been known to have essentially 00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.440 no side effects at any dose. 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:24.600 They gave rats a 10-gram single dose by stomach tube, which would be like a person eating 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:33.240 a pound of it, and the only effect was that the rats weren't hungry until their stomachs 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:35.840 had emptied the stuff out. 00:26:35.840 --> 00:26:43.480 And if any of the rats were under stress at the time of the experiment, their stress hormones 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.440 went down to normal. 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:51.680 That was the only side effect that stopped abnormal stress reactions. 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.200 So we could presume that that would happen to people too, that it would bring stress 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:56.200 hormones down? 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:58.620 Is it what? 00:26:58.620 --> 00:27:01.120 Would it bring stress hormones down in people too? 00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:02.120 Oh yeah. 00:27:02.120 --> 00:27:11.080 I just, after I read the rat experiment and saw that it had made people more efficient 00:27:11.080 --> 00:27:20.120 in studies of workers using it, I decided to take 3,000 milligrams to 4,000 milligrams 00:27:20.120 --> 00:27:30.400 every day for a year, and I felt like I had great resistance, felt no stress, no matter 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.640 what was happening. 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.920 And were there any negative side effects at all? 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:38.560 Not at all. 00:27:38.560 --> 00:27:40.520 And do you take that much to this day? 00:27:40.520 --> 00:27:43.040 No, it was too expensive. 00:27:43.040 --> 00:27:46.120 I haven't taken any for years now. 00:27:46.120 --> 00:27:54.600 I stopped because for a while a lot of junk was on the market, and when I tried to import 00:27:54.600 --> 00:27:59.840 the pure stuff, the FDA kept getting in the way. 00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:00.840 Wow. 00:28:00.840 --> 00:28:05.400 Well, Dr. Peata, I know you lecture around the United States and in Mexico to many different 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:10.240 universities, including the Natural College of Naturopathic Medicine, and I have a little 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.960 curious, what kind of reaction do you get? 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:16.800 Because you say a lot of things, and I have to say I agree with what you say, but you 00:28:16.800 --> 00:28:21.200 do say a lot of things that nobody else is saying. 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:31.240 Oh, I pretty much stopped lecturing about 20 years ago when the word got out, what I 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:35.720 was saying about unsaturated fats. 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:42.600 The doctors stopped wanting to hear me when they knew what I would say about estrogen, 00:28:42.600 --> 00:28:48.880 and then the health food industry stopped wanting to hear me when they knew what I would 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:58.560 say about corn oil and soy oil and the polyunsaturated oils, fish oil and so on, because those are 00:28:58.560 --> 00:29:06.880 so important to their business that they didn't want bad information put out about them. 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:12.120 And so what is it that you say about that that would be problematic for them? 00:29:12.120 --> 00:29:26.000 I see the polyunsaturated N-3 and N-6 oils as being behind all the inflammatory degenerative 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:35.120 diseases, and basically all of the degenerative diseases involve an inflammatory component 00:29:35.120 --> 00:29:43.720 which is amplified by the N-3 and N-6 breakdown products. 00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.320 And you think the cumulative value of those oils in the human body as they get packed 00:29:47.320 --> 00:29:50.960 away in the tissue have a metabolic suppressive action? 00:29:50.960 --> 00:30:00.360 Yeah, the prostaglandins and various isoprostanes and free radical breakdown products and so 00:30:00.360 --> 00:30:02.320 on. 00:30:02.320 --> 00:30:14.400 And those fats happen to inhibit the enzymes which make our natural N-9 polyunsaturated 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.080 fats such as the mead acid. 00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:26.360 And it's called an essential fatty acid deficiency when you can find the mead acid 00:30:26.360 --> 00:30:30.640 at minus 9 in the blood. 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:43.920 But it happens that that's a protective anti-inflammatory fat that gives great resistance to the animals 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:50.000 that are so-called deficient in the essential fatty acids. 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:55.160 And so in other words it would be beneficial to us to avoid those polyunsaturated oils 00:30:55.160 --> 00:31:01.480 such as corn, canola, safflower, sunflower, almond, all those oils we should avoid? 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:10.040 Yeah, I try to avoid those as far as possible, even avoiding pork and chicken that have been 00:31:10.040 --> 00:31:11.040 fed those foods. 00:31:11.040 --> 00:31:13.960 Oh, it gets very complex. 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:18.480 Well I know in your free time Dr. Peat you're a terrific artist, you paint a lot don't 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.480 you? 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:28.400 Yeah, I try to alternate studying and writing with painting or sculpting. 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:29.400 That's wonderful. 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:36.920 Can I ask you again about the Fukushima radiation because I vacillate, people come in and tell 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.600 me oh you've got to be positive and stop dwelling on the negative and then by the same 00:31:40.600 --> 00:31:46.680 token because we're in Hawaii and kind of in the pathway of where that stuff is coming 00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:53.440 and has come, how do you not think about it in terms of people's health? 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:58.280 We noticed within a week of the Fukushima radiation that our air purifier started making 00:31:58.280 --> 00:32:05.360 a pinging noise rather like an electrical fly trap and couldn't figure out what is this 00:32:05.360 --> 00:32:08.040 noise that this thing is making, is it defective? 00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:11.520 And then I think about after what, about a week and a half it stopped doing that, but 00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:16.840 could that have been from hot particles of radiation shortly after the fallout? 00:32:16.840 --> 00:32:26.520 I don't know how the purifier works but the particles do produce ionization that could 00:32:26.520 --> 00:32:29.920 affect electronic devices. 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:41.640 The nuclear industry like the estrogen industry and the oil industry has been very busy with 00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:53.800 propaganda ever since the 1940s convincing the public that nuclear power will be good 00:32:53.800 --> 00:32:58.320 for the public in many ways. 00:32:58.320 --> 00:33:06.360 They've been selling radioactive potions since the 1920s. 00:33:06.360 --> 00:33:13.520 People are still selling radioactive rocks as cures. 00:33:13.520 --> 00:33:21.600 They used to sell it in bottles to cure impotence and arthritis and so on. 00:33:21.600 --> 00:33:29.960 And you can get some quick relief from x-raying your knee, for example, for arthritis. 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:38.120 It kills the cells that produce inflammation but it creates a long-term systemic inflammation 00:33:38.120 --> 00:33:44.240 that is much worse for the short-term relief. 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:51.400 And that's the sort of thing that happens with the breakdown of fish oils. 00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:59.200 You get short-term suppression of inflammation but long-term promotion of inflammation. 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:09.800 The propaganda covers the spectrum of every kind of radiation. 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:18.240 They say that the fallout in your food is equivalent to flying across the country on 00:34:18.240 --> 00:34:21.520 an airplane, for example. 00:34:21.520 --> 00:34:25.760 There are several kinds of lies built into that. 00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:33.240 Every person who repeats that is repeating layered lying propaganda. 00:34:33.240 --> 00:34:40.960 For example, it's true that you can say there's a certain amount of radiation from cosmic 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:47.880 rays coming through the airplane when you're at 35,000 feet. 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:57.720 But it happens that the biological effect of radiation, cosmic rays, at, say, 10,000 00:34:57.720 --> 00:35:05.960 feet altitude on the mountain or in an airplane, that has less biological effect by a great 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:13.360 amount per unit of radiation than the same cosmic rays do at sea level. 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:22.400 And the cosmic rays at high altitude pass right through you doing very little. 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:29.600 However, on the way through the atmosphere, they run into air atoms causing secondary 00:35:29.600 --> 00:35:33.920 and tertiary breakdown nuclear fission. 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:42.240 And it's those fission products produced on the way down close to sea level that increase 00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:44.960 the environmental radiation. 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:52.080 And that's why a big part of the reason why cancer rates are much lower, heart disease 00:35:52.080 --> 00:36:01.360 is much lower when you live from 5,000 to 10,000 feet elevation above sea level. 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:05.160 Closer to sea level, the cosmic rays are more intense. 00:36:05.160 --> 00:36:13.120 So the nuclear industry is turning things upside down to say that eating a banana or 00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:20.840 a Fukushima oyster or whatever can be compared to cosmic rays. 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.760 They've got it exactly backwards. 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:29.440 But we live on an island and we like to go out in the sun and be exposed to those rays. 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:33.400 So should we be afraid that our cancer levels are going to increase because we're at sea 00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:34.400 level? 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:43.040 Well, the ultraviolet produces effects in your skin that are very similar to what X-rays 00:36:43.040 --> 00:36:49.920 and cosmic rays and gamma rays produce throughout your tissues. 00:36:49.920 --> 00:37:00.000 It's just that the toxic effect of ultraviolet is limited to two or three millimeters near 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.160 the top of your skin. 00:37:02.160 --> 00:37:12.120 And it happens that the red light of sunlight, the yellow, green, orange, red frequencies 00:37:12.120 --> 00:37:21.360 happen to be neutralizers of the damage done by radiation of the toxic kind. 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:28.400 And for example, experiments with frogs would give them a certain dose of gamma rays that 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.400 would kill them very quickly. 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:40.840 But if they gave the dose and within the hour gave them some very bright red light following 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.320 the gamma ray exposure, they recovered. 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.320 They weren't sick. 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.880 So would that be a good thing for us to do is get one of those red lights and lay under 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.240 it a little bit for protection from Fukushima radiation? 00:37:51.240 --> 00:37:55.280 Well, natural sunlight contains enough of that. 00:37:55.280 --> 00:38:01.200 If you filter out that protective red and orange light, sunlight will even kill plants 00:38:01.200 --> 00:38:04.600 that normally grow all day in the sun. 00:38:04.600 --> 00:38:11.840 The blue light and ultraviolet is toxic even to plants, but it's the red light that allows 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:16.760 plants to stand the ultraviolet all day. 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:19.440 So would that be the far infrared light bulbs that we can buy? 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:27.640 No, just the red, red, orange, and yellow are all protective. 00:38:27.640 --> 00:38:35.400 You don't want too much of the ultraviolet because your blood does circulate up through 00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:41.480 the surface of your skin and your white blood cells will get killed every time you get sunburned. 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.640 So you don't want to get sunburned. 00:38:43.640 --> 00:38:53.040 And having a tan, the melanin pigment catches the biggest part of the ultraviolet and protects 00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:59.120 your skin from that immune suppressing effect of UV. 00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:02.840 So what's wrong with people who don't tan and they just burn? 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:05.280 Sometimes the vitamin D deficiency is involved. 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:15.000 Your body knows that it needs more vitamin D and so it doesn't make the pigment allowing 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.200 more ultraviolet to be absorbed. 00:39:18.200 --> 00:39:25.120 I've seen people who couldn't tan suddenly tanning normally when they took some vitamin 00:39:25.120 --> 00:39:26.120 D. 00:39:26.120 --> 00:39:27.120 Interesting. 00:39:27.120 --> 00:39:32.800 Well, Dr. Peat, we only have about one minute left here and I know Karen and I would love 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.680 to bring you on for next week's show also if you have the time for it. 00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:38.680 Okay. 00:39:38.680 --> 00:39:39.680 Oh, terrific. 00:39:39.680 --> 00:39:43.800 And people can go to your website, which is terrific. 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:44.800 I love it. 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.960 It's RayPeyt.com. 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.520 I love your artwork, Dr. Peat. 00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:59.800 I think all of us that work in this industry of trying to generate health, sometimes you 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:00.800 need to back away. 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.320 We all have to have some kind of a hobby or a release or something else to focus our time 00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:07.360 and attention on. 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:15.080 I love your blue book from PMS to Menopause and your Nutrition for Women and your yellow 00:40:15.080 --> 00:40:16.080 book. 00:40:16.080 --> 00:40:19.160 We're going to talk about that all next week because I have a bunch more questions for 00:40:19.160 --> 00:40:20.160 you, Dr. Peat. 00:40:20.160 --> 00:40:24.880 I want to thank you for being our guest today, sharing your Saturday morning with us and 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.320 we'll have you on again with us next week. 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:28.320 Okay. 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:29.320 Very good. 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:30.320 Lovely.