WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.600 And welcome back to the Source Nutritional Radio Show. 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:08.400 And if life seems like a big mystery to you, you might want to sit down and talk with Dr. Raymond Peat. 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:10.400 Dr. Peat, are you on the phone today? 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:11.400 I am. 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.000 Aloha. It's nice to have you back as our guest today. 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:18.000 We got such a nice response from our show last Saturday, Dr. Peat. 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:21.800 I always tell people, because Karen and I work in the natural food store, 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:24.600 people come in all the time and we get a lot of good feedback. 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:29.280 We get people's comments. But I wanted to start out this morning, Dr. Peat, I have in 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:35.360 front of me a book you wrote, Mind and Tissue, about Russian research on the human brain. 00:00:35.360 --> 00:00:41.840 And I wanted to ask you, because in the news lately there's all this talk about brain damage 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:46.000 to the football players in our country. Have you heard this story? 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:52.000 Oh, not recently, but yeah, I know that there's a lot of brain damage in football. 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:58.000 I guess everybody was shocked in the sports world last week with Junior Seau's suicide, 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:05.680 and it was very sad, because a lot of us enjoy sports, especially since 9-11, it's a good distraction. But 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:10.360 can you tell us a little bit about this book, Mind and Tissue, and the research you have 00:01:10.360 --> 00:01:13.600 on the human brain and how things work? 00:01:13.600 --> 00:01:29.200 Well, maybe you've been hearing about the use of progesterone. I think they say it's in the last stage of clinical trials before getting approval to 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:35.520 use progesterone for treating brain injury. 00:01:35.520 --> 00:01:51.160 After many years of animal studies treating with progesterone, they've advanced to the, applying it to people with recent brain injuries, and it has the 00:01:51.160 --> 00:01:56.040 same good effects in humans as it does in animals. 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:07.080 Even if you cut out a nerve in a rabbit study, for example, several years ago, they removed a centimeter of nerve and then put 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:15.640 a fiber bridge across the gap, but impregnated the fiber with progesterone and found that 00:02:15.640 --> 00:02:25.440 the progesterone even facilitated the complete regeneration across a missing piece of nerve. 00:02:25.440 --> 00:02:35.360 The Russian research interested me because there were, here and there across Europe in 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:47.760 the 18th century, there were a few researchers thinking in an integral way about what an organism is and what sickness is, and realizing 00:02:47.760 --> 00:02:55.680 that the whole organism is involved in the sickness process, and the thing that most 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:02.400 obviously makes a whole organism a unit is the brain and the nervous system, and that's 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.960 something that people have been aware of for thousands of years. 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:13.960 But in the 18th century, doctors, a few doctors, actually started thinking along that line. 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:18.520 But it didn't go over well in England, Germany, and France. 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:26.740 But for some reason, a little later in the 19th century, it really took off in Russia, and there was a 00:03:26.740 --> 00:03:36.220 whole branch of medicine that they called nervism, realizing that the brain is a factor 00:03:36.220 --> 00:04:00.400 in everything—cancer, tuberculosis, allergies, trauma, etc. And the famous Sechenov, who was, before Pavlov, had set the research 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:06.520 program to study how nerves work, what a reflex is, and so on. 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:30.640 And so when Pavlov began integrating central thing to how an organism 00:04:30.640 --> 00:04:31.640 exists. 00:04:31.640 --> 00:04:49.880 Pavlov said that the digestive system is an animal's closest contact with the world, and it uses its nervous system to integrate its reactions to the world. 00:04:49.880 --> 00:04:57.400 And so he studied the innervation of the digestive system basically as a way to understand what 00:04:57.400 --> 00:04:58.400 an organism is. 00:04:58.400 --> 00:05:06.520 Well, when we talk about progesterone, Dr. Peat, and we do sell it in our store in Kailua, people 00:05:06.520 --> 00:05:13.160 will always ask me, are there like foods that naturally have progesterone in it that they 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:14.160 can eat? 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:29.640 Milk, milk and cheese are the only foods containing measurable amounts of progesterone. I really like your information about progesterone being an anti-androgen. 00:05:29.640 --> 00:05:34.920 How would a man use this if he were balding, for instance, and can you, would you remark 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:51.560 on when you see thinning adherence scale from both men and women, what that relates to? About 35 years ago, I had been experimenting with the oil-dissolved progesterone, and a 00:05:51.560 --> 00:06:03.480 bald man in his 30s asked me for suggestions, and I suggested rubbing some of this oil progesterone 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:05.240 on his scalp. 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:12.800 And he came back two or three weeks later with fuzz on his head and was all enthusiastic 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.480 about it and started telling his friends. 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:29.520 And I sort of discouraged the use of it because if a man puts on too much progesterone, it has anti-testosterone 00:06:29.520 --> 00:06:30.520 effects. 00:06:30.520 --> 00:06:43.080 And if a man isn't expecting it and is willing to stop using it or adjust the dose, it might 00:06:43.080 --> 00:06:46.640 make him think he's losing his virility. 00:06:46.640 --> 00:06:58.120 And so occasionally I would mention it to a man, but for about 30 years I avoided talking 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:09.200 about it because so many men were just obsessed with the idea of growing hair and explaining what it does to their 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:12.200 testosterone was too involved. 00:07:12.200 --> 00:07:16.880 But how would that affect a baby boy? 00:07:16.880 --> 00:07:20.000 Say if you had a baby that had brain damage or... 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:21.000 Oh, sure. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:27.320 If there's any... When a man has something more serious than baldness, I don't 00:07:27.320 --> 00:07:37.800 hesitate to tell him what it does physiologically. And a child, the same thing, if they have 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:47.000 something really serious, then you don't mind if they delay their puberty a while. And so that's all it would do is delay puberty? 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:52.000 It would not make them become transsexual or something odd like that? 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:59.000 There hasn't been much research using it on kids or even young animals, 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:08.440 but animal studies suggest that delaying puberty is very, very good for the personality and 00:08:08.440 --> 00:08:11.720 the general health of the animal. 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:20.160 The more stress they're under, the earlier puberty begins, and precocious puberty is 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:27.800 starting to be a big problem around the world because of exposure to estrogens and such. 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:39.800 And the brain basically stops developing at puberty, and so in countries where the diet 00:08:39.800 --> 00:08:50.080 doesn't have so much polyunsaturated fats. Puberty used to come around the age of 18 in places that had a lot of coconuts in the 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.560 diet, for example. 00:08:52.560 --> 00:09:00.920 And the brain and personality have a lot more chance to develop if it is delayed for several 00:09:00.920 --> 00:09:01.920 years. 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:07.000 I actually heard that same information from Dr. John Gray, the author of the book 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.000 Women are from Venus and Men are from Mars. 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.000 He's definitely from Mars. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.000 I like what he had to say. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.000 You're kind of reinforcing what Dr. John Gray said, 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:22.000 if you can actually naturally, in a way, delay puberty, 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:32.640 that it enhances the brain growth in the child. Now how about, what about if you had a, say a baby boy who fell into that autistic spectrum 00:09:32.640 --> 00:09:37.800 and you wanted to use pregnenolone and progesterone, would that be fine and dandy? 00:09:37.800 --> 00:09:41.960 Is there any precaution that we should take into consideration in using pregnenolone for 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:50.520 kids? Well, pregnenolone is even easier to use. It doesn't have any known so-called hormonal 00:09:50.520 --> 00:10:08.960 effects in itself. It does seem to help the body handle the tone of connective tissue and sphincter muscle and such, those 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:12.600 aren't recognized as hormone effects. 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:20.280 So pregnenolone isn't considered a hormone, but it's a precursor, like a nutrient for 00:10:20.280 --> 00:10:25.000 any tissue that does use the steroid hormones. 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:33.000 So it just helps balance the things that the body is naturally trying to do. 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:55.360 Progesterone will neutralize the component in pregnant women is that it stabilizes 00:10:55.360 --> 00:11:04.040 every physiological process, and it's there in these massive amounts, hundreds of milligrams 00:11:04.040 --> 00:11:07.080 of it being produced every day late in the 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:19.000 pregnancy process. And those huge amounts prevent any surges of estrogen or testosterone 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:29.560 or cortisol, anything that destabilizes the developmental process is blocked by these huge amounts of 00:11:29.560 --> 00:11:30.560 progesterone. 00:11:30.560 --> 00:11:40.520 So that, for example, the adrenal steroid albosterone that regulates salt balances, 00:11:40.520 --> 00:11:48.040 if you have too much albosterone and a lot of progesterone, you don't have salt retention 00:11:48.040 --> 00:11:51.320 the way you would with just too much albostrone. 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:57.580 And if you don't have any albostrone, but you have lots of progesterone, you don't lose 00:11:57.580 --> 00:12:11.600 salt catastrophically the way you would just for the deficiencies. All of the steroids functions are represented in the single molecule of progesterone, even 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.060 without it being converted into anything else. 00:12:16.060 --> 00:12:31.600 For example, in the 1940s, Hans Zellweg was studying all of the steroids and having his assistants inject large amounts 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:39.680 against all kinds of different conditions, and even removing the adrenal glands from 00:12:39.680 --> 00:12:48.760 a rat, if they were giving these large injections of progesterone, the rat would live with perfect 00:12:48.760 --> 00:12:54.840 health, a fully normal lifespan, no adrenal glands at all, just progesterone. 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:57.280 Wow, that's amazing. 00:12:57.280 --> 00:13:05.320 So as far as, since you mentioned how profound a role progesterone plays in brain development in babies. 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:10.960 If that were missed out on during the pregnancy, could one compensate somewhat after the birth 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:12.960 if they knew it would cause the damage? 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.560 Could they give their child progesterone and pregnenolone to try to repair some of that 00:13:16.560 --> 00:13:17.560 damage? 00:13:17.560 --> 00:13:27.120 That was sort of overlooked because of the doctrine that the brain and the heart don't regenerate, but 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:35.640 now in the last 10 or 20 years since stem cells have been recognized, a few people are 00:13:35.640 --> 00:13:38.120 starting to think about that. 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:48.440 Stein's studies of brain injury show that the progesterone is actually helping to regenerate the destroyed 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:58.280 parts of the brain, but the animal studies show that the brain really continues growing 00:13:58.280 --> 00:14:01.080 throughout the lifespan. 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:09.760 About 40 years ago, a sort of compendium of changes that occurred during the aging process 00:14:09.760 --> 00:14:18.640 measured the amount of DNA in the brain and found that the human brain contains a steadily 00:14:18.640 --> 00:14:29.160 increasing quantity of DNA up to the age of 90 and more, showing that the cells keep increasing throughout 00:14:29.160 --> 00:14:35.920 the whole adult lifespan, contrary to the idea that growth is something that happens 00:14:35.920 --> 00:14:36.920 only in childhood. 00:14:36.920 --> 00:14:39.080 Yeah, that's interesting to me. 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:40.560 I actually never heard that. 00:14:40.560 --> 00:14:46.180 Now, if I wanted to administer Pregnenolone to one of my grandchildren, what would a good 00:14:46.180 --> 00:14:48.400 average dose be for a child? 00:14:48.400 --> 00:14:52.520 What would I maybe want to give to a grandchild? 00:14:52.520 --> 00:15:00.280 I know that you said that it's non-toxic, but as far as pocketbook savings, what would 00:15:00.280 --> 00:15:04.520 be a good average dose if you wanted to try to repair some brain cell damage? 00:15:04.520 --> 00:15:07.040 No one has ever studied that officially. 00:15:07.040 --> 00:15:13.680 So we could just take a stab at trying maybe 100 milligrams a day and see what happens? 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:17.840 Well for an adult, even 10 or 15 milligrams. 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:26.320 I've seen people snap out of a depressed mood minutes after taking 10 or 15 milligrams. 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:36.160 And the body normally produces about 30 milligrams a day of pregnenolone at least, 30 to 60, 00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:38.000 something like that. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:44.160 And even those very small doses are sometimes enough to just stop a stress reaction. 00:15:44.160 --> 00:15:47.200 Well, what if somebody wanted to use it for a facelift effect? 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:51.280 Could we use 300 or 400 milligrams with no problem? 00:15:51.280 --> 00:15:54.080 Yeah, for an adult. 00:15:54.080 --> 00:16:11.720 I've seen one person said he was getting no results, couldn't feel anything from 300 milligrams. A couple days later he called back and said he had taken a heaping spoonful of it and 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.240 woke up looking like he had had a facelift. 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.840 How many milligrams would you guess is in a heaping teaspoonful? 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:31.320 Well for a year I took a heaping teaspoon every day on average and ate a whole kilogram in a year. 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:38.560 So I was getting about 3,000 milligrams per day just to see how it felt. 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:39.560 How did it feel? 00:16:39.560 --> 00:16:40.560 Very good. 00:16:40.560 --> 00:16:48.000 It didn't feel that much better than 100 milligrams a day though. 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.600 I see, so it would be just something that people could safely experiment with until 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.440 they find what the dose for them would be? 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:57.760 Yeah, but you have to be careful with the excipients. 00:16:57.760 --> 00:17:02.280 So many products have strange junk. 00:17:02.280 --> 00:17:07.520 I don't advise eating, you know, stilica for example is something that's in 00:17:07.520 --> 00:17:17.240 a lot of products and methylcellulose isn't good. Just have to be careful of what the 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:18.240 additives are. 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:25.000 Is there any pure pregnenolone on the market anymore? Oh yeah. There's one company in the U.S. 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:29.000 I don't remember their exact name. 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.000 Is it Life Extension? 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:38.000 Well, I don't think they have a pure powdered without excipients. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.000 They do have some good products. 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:48.920 There's one company that sells 20 grams of bulk progesterone for $20. 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:52.680 You can find those things on the internet. 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:57.520 We really like your progesterone and we've experimented with that and I have to say that 00:17:57.520 --> 00:18:03.120 I know you speak about it taking an excess, people can feel a little loopy and we felt 00:18:03.120 --> 00:18:07.520 that way and it's actually kind of a relaxing, nice feel. 00:18:07.520 --> 00:18:17.280 Yeah, you don't want to experiment with any of those things when you aren't completely 00:18:17.280 --> 00:18:29.040 at leisure and don't have to do anything, because I've talked to people who would take a fourth of a teaspoon of progesterone mixture and 00:18:29.040 --> 00:18:30.040 feel drunk. 00:18:30.040 --> 00:18:34.920 Now why does such a small dose cause that feeling in some people? 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:44.440 If they don't have the antagonistic estrogen cortisol, then they feel the full effect of 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.480 that much progesterone. 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:55.080 Other people, if their thyroid is low and their estrogen high, 100 milligrams of progesterone, 00:18:55.080 --> 00:18:57.800 they can't feel a thing. 00:18:57.800 --> 00:19:07.240 So regarding the cortisol and estrogen, is it possible that anybody is really low estrogen? 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:09.240 Has that ever happened? 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.240 Occasionally, yeah. 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:21.000 A very slender person sometimes has a safely low amount of estrogen. 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:25.440 So that wouldn't be something you'd be concerned about? 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:30.600 It's more the pregnenolone and the progesterone that would sort of maintain a balance of all 00:19:30.600 --> 00:19:32.600 the other hormones? 00:19:32.600 --> 00:19:47.560 Yeah, the healthy people tend to keep their estrogen low most of the time, and when they're in the low estrogen time is when they can be very sensitive to a big 00:19:47.560 --> 00:19:52.280 dose of either testosterone or progesterone. 00:19:52.280 --> 00:19:57.080 Now as people age and they tend to get the little weight accumulation, if they're taking 00:19:57.080 --> 00:20:00.840 an adequate dose of progesterone, why does that happen? 00:20:00.840 --> 00:20:04.940 Why does what happen? 00:20:04.940 --> 00:20:06.560 Why do they continue to gain weight? 00:20:06.560 --> 00:20:11.840 I know some people who are using thyroid and progesterone continue to gain weight. 00:20:11.840 --> 00:20:17.200 Depends on what they're eating I suppose. 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:29.240 If you don't eat the right things to support heat production and good energy production, a lot of it will get stored as 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.760 fat. 00:20:31.760 --> 00:20:37.920 Some people just eat too much fat or too much starch. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:46.720 The unsaturated fats and starches in general are probably the main causes of obesity. 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:59.840 The unsaturated fats turn off the processes that raise heat production and have a catabolic 00:20:59.840 --> 00:21:13.760 effect on your protein, muscles and such. And the starches stimulate the processes that synthesize fat rather than just accelerating 00:21:13.760 --> 00:21:16.760 the burning of the sugar. 00:21:16.760 --> 00:21:23.640 So I'm going to ask you in my own case, I do take thyroid and I take pregnenol and progesterone 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.680 and I'm still cold. 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:29.800 So would it be safe for me to add some DHEA to see if I could kick that heat production 00:21:29.800 --> 00:21:30.800 up? 00:21:30.800 --> 00:21:39.520 My first suggestion would be to check your intake of calcium and sodium as well as magnesium 00:21:39.520 --> 00:21:40.520 and potassium. 00:21:40.520 --> 00:21:47.600 But calcium and sodium are often the things that are missing when someone is putting on 00:21:47.600 --> 00:21:51.480 fat instead of producing energy. 00:21:51.480 --> 00:22:01.560 I think 2,000 milligrams of calcium per day is a good, safe, standard amount. 00:22:01.560 --> 00:22:06.320 For example, a quart and a half to two quarts of milk will provide enough calcium 00:22:06.320 --> 00:22:10.120 to keep your machinery running so you're burning calories. 00:22:10.120 --> 00:22:16.880 Okay, so you don't necessarily recommend it in a supplement form as much as a food form? 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:27.920 No, the best supplements of calcium would be eggshell or some oyster shell from a clean part of the ocean if you can find that. 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:34.240 But even those aren't as well assimilated as from milk and cheese. 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:39.480 Now that's what I always heard about the oyster shell based calcium products Dr. Peat, that 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.160 they were very hard to assimilate by the body. 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:49.040 But if you're just tuning in, you're listening to the Source Nutritional Radio Show with our guest today, Dr. Raymond Peat. And Dr. Peat, 00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:52.720 when we started the show, we were talking about some new research that's come out that 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:58.080 has kind of debunked the fish oil supplement industry, saying it does not affect heart 00:22:58.080 --> 00:23:04.000 health. And considering that fish oil supplements is one of the top five nutritional supplements 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:05.960 that today's doctors are recommending, what's your feeling about fish oil supplements is one of the top five nutritional supplements that today's doctors are recommending. 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:08.360 What's your feeling about fish oil supplements? 00:23:08.360 --> 00:23:14.840 Oh, studies like that were coming out seven or eight years ago or longer. 00:23:14.840 --> 00:23:25.560 Like 40 years ago, yellow fat disease was associated with eating too much fat fish. 00:23:25.560 --> 00:23:33.720 It was known to be seriously toxic as long ago as the 1950s, 1960s. 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:48.300 But when the so-called essential fatty acids, linoleic acid and linoleic when they were identified with not only cancer, but heart disease and clotting 00:23:48.300 --> 00:23:49.300 diseases. 00:23:49.300 --> 00:24:00.420 Then the fish oil industry stepped into the advertising scene and started saying that 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:06.640 those were the safe unsaturated fats. 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:14.880 But it was just as the fats that were promoted in the 1950s, as they were being incriminated 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:23.600 as toxins, then the fish oil came in and said, we're not as toxic as those fats. 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:25.280 And that's true. 00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:27.640 They break down so fast that they 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:34.040 don't have the long-range effects in the stored tissues 00:24:34.040 --> 00:24:41.080 that the linoleic and derivative arachidonic acids have. 00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:45.400 But it's only by being less toxic. 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:53.360 If you do an experiment and are feeding your control animals a deadly amount of linoleic 00:24:53.360 --> 00:25:02.600 acid, such as corn oil or safflower oil, and then you add some fish oil, it will slightly 00:25:02.600 --> 00:25:07.000 block those toxic effects of the linoleic acid. 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:13.000 And that's how they do the research to show the health benefits from fish oil. 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:21.000 But if you compare it to coconut oil or butter or no fat, the fish oil always turns out toxic. 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:29.080 They were showing toxic effects in humans seven or eight years ago. For example, 00:25:29.080 --> 00:25:35.840 raising the C-reactive protein, an indicator of inflammation in the blood. 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:42.160 Well, you mentioned butter, which happens to be my favorite food. I have a horrible 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:47.840 craving for butter all the time. Is there a problem with exceeding a certain level of butter? 00:25:47.840 --> 00:26:08.960 Yeah, you can get fat on butter, but in context, its main you need, such as calcium and sodium, to keep 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:16.880 your metabolism going at a high level, and adequate protein. 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:23.320 And gelatin happens to be a protein that you can increase considerably without worrying 00:26:23.320 --> 00:26:27.920 about increasing inflammation and the 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:33.600 protein in milk, casein especially, is an anti-stress type of protein but 00:26:33.600 --> 00:26:41.760 especially if you supplement that with gelatin, the balance is very 00:26:41.760 --> 00:26:49.000 anti-stress and as a consequence, anti-obesity. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.000 And how do you recommend that we use the gelatin? 00:26:52.000 --> 00:27:02.000 Oh, it depends on your needs for treating inflammatory bowel disease and liver disease, 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:06.240 kidney disease, diabetes, and so on. 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:13.000 They've used as much as an ounce or two of pure gelatin 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:21.240 added per day, even more people sometimes use temporarily. 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:31.440 And it's important to have a good gelatin without additives and it generally should 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:37.000 be thoroughly dissolved rather than eating it as a powder. 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:47.280 It should be mixed with hot water or milk until there are no granules left so that it's easy to digest. 00:27:47.280 --> 00:27:51.720 So would it be unusual for someone to be allergic to gelatin? 00:27:51.720 --> 00:28:00.880 Yeah, I think it's unusual, but some people think they react more to pork gelatin than 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:10.080 to beef, but the only reactions I've heard, it's mainly just poor digestion of 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:11.560 it getting gas or something. 00:28:11.560 --> 00:28:14.280 And so how could one offset that initially? 00:28:14.280 --> 00:28:17.440 Could they take some digestive enzymes temporarily to... 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.560 Or just try a different brand of gelatin. 00:28:20.560 --> 00:28:25.000 Some people do okay with beef gelatin rather than pork. 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.000 And you think the Great Lakes gelatin is a good? 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:36.000 Yeah, they have both kinds and they also have hydrolyzed that some people think it's much easier to use 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:40.000 and they think it might digest more easily. 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:45.600 Well, I'm intrigued that you mentioned that it has an effect on diabetes. How would that be? 00:28:45.600 --> 00:28:49.440 I think it's the anti-inflammatory effect. 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:58.640 Diabetes is basically an inflammatory problem resulting from a chronic accumulative effect 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:08.600 of the polyunsaturated fats that interfere with the use of sugar by the cells and at the same time 00:29:08.600 --> 00:29:16.720 have a toxic inflammatory effect on the cells of the pancreas that produce insulin. 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:28.360 And those cells, incidentally, are actually being regenerated constantly. 00:29:28.360 --> 00:29:37.640 Cells in other parts of the pancreas are gradually transforming themselves into the insulin-producing 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:38.640 cells. 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:50.600 So, it's like a stream of stem cells constantly waiting to replace the beta cells that produce insulin 00:29:50.600 --> 00:29:51.600 as they're destroyed. 00:29:51.600 --> 00:29:59.920 But if your body is saturated with the toxic unsaturated fats, every time they get replaced, 00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:06.080 they're killed again by the breakdown products of the unsaturated fats. 00:30:06.080 --> 00:30:14.280 So are you saying that diabetes has more to do with these polyunsaturated fats and they're 00:30:14.280 --> 00:30:18.600 blocking the metabolic process than it does with sugar? 00:30:18.600 --> 00:30:29.000 Yeah, in fact glucose is a factor in helping to regenerate the beta cells. 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:38.160 Well the unsaturated fats are killing them, but just increasing the sugar isn't enough 00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:48.480 if you don't remove the unsaturated fat from the diet. 150 years ago in France and England, a couple of doctors 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:59.440 demonstrated curing their terminal, wasting away diabetic patients by giving them 8 or 00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:10.380 10 ounces of sugar per day, along with other foods, where they had been losing pounds per week of body 00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:18.580 weight, they quickly stopped producing such huge amounts of glucose in their urine and 00:31:18.580 --> 00:31:20.740 their weight loss stopped. 00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:28.000 And within a few weeks, they had returned to good health, no diabetes at all. 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.000 Wow. What are the types of oils that you would recommend, Dr. Peat? 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.000 Oh, well, butter and coconut oil. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:46.240 But again, I'm intrigued about what you just said, because pretty much everything has those oils that are so corrupt in them, like all the packaged 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.560 foods, pretty much all of them have those oils. 00:31:48.560 --> 00:31:54.880 So could it be that our obesity epidemic has much to do with the over-ingestion of those 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.880 polyunsaturated oils for so many years? 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:11.560 Yeah, if you look at the consumption, food consumption records, U.S. Department of Agriculture, for the last 40 years, you see that fat consumption, 00:32:11.560 --> 00:32:21.080 which is mostly the polyunsaturated seed oils, increased about 7% during these years, while 00:32:21.080 --> 00:32:25.000 sugar consumption decreased by about 1%. 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.000 Wow. 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.600 You didn't mention olive oil, Dr. Peat. 00:32:28.600 --> 00:32:31.200 Is that one of your favorite oils? 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:42.040 It's very good for flavoring and has very good drug actions, the so-called anti-oxidant 00:32:42.040 --> 00:32:46.000 factors or anti-inflammatory factors. 00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:53.000 But it also has 8 to 10 percent or even more of the polyunsaturated fats. 00:32:53.000 --> 00:33:02.000 So you shouldn't use it in bulk, but a spoonful or two per day is fine. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:10.280 Wow, that's really interesting. So, if you have a child with diabetes, from what you just stated, it would probably be 00:33:10.280 --> 00:33:15.160 possible to actually repair that pancreas if they abstain from all the polyunsaturated 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.640 oils and get their thyroid in order? 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:27.440 Yeah, from the research, that is what I think is the case. 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:35.040 Before I was born, my father was a diabetic, and insulin was already institutionalized 00:33:35.040 --> 00:33:38.040 as the only treatment. 00:33:38.040 --> 00:33:47.720 And he was putting out a tremendous amount of sugar in his urine and had gone down in weight 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.120 to something like a hundred pounds. 00:33:51.120 --> 00:34:10.480 And he refused to get on the lifetime insulin injection program. He looked at the old Nature of Pathic and Traditional Medicine texts and found that 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:15.600 brewer's yeast was a traditional remedy. 00:34:15.600 --> 00:34:30.320 And so he ate brewer's yeast only for, I guess, several weeks, he completely recovered and progressed and his wife was able to eat 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:31.320 everything just like anyone. 00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:32.320 Wow. 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.920 Yeah, we like to put brewer's yeast on our popcorn at nighttime as a snack. 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:44.880 Now, let me ask you again, with that in mind, would that be a recommended avenue for a parent 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.860 to do with a child, say for instance their 00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:50.740 diabetes occurred after having mono or Epstein-Barr? 00:34:50.740 --> 00:35:05.000 Well, I think the nutritional factors in the diabetes, in the bird's yeast, are offset by some potential toxic factors. 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:11.000 The starch, the high phosphorus content, and the estrogen 00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:14.000 are things that you have to take into account. 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:18.000 If you're just curing something over a period of a few weeks, 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:25.440 you don't worry about nutritional imbalances and allergic reactions and such. 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:36.080 But I think it's better to get the same nutrients from fruit, eggs, and liver, and milk, rather 00:35:36.080 --> 00:35:43.080 than counting on brewer's yeast to do it, because of the possible toxic effects from 00:35:43.080 --> 00:35:44.760 eating too much brewer's yeast. 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.800 Okay. And I know this is a really, this is not a fair question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:54.000 If there was one thing that you would tell someone, especially a child who had diabetes, 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.000 if there was one thing they should eliminate from their diet, what would that be? 00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.500 Oils. 00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:02.000 Okay, but that would not include coconut oil, I'm assuming. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.000 No, butter and coconut oil are pretty safe. 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:14.800 They have about 2 or 3 percent of the dangerous fats, but those are a minimal danger compared 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.600 to the benefits of the saturated fats. 00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:19.600 Our phone lines are lighting up here, Dr. Peat. 00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:21.000 We only have a few minutes left. 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.080 Somebody called in and asked the question if they already have a goiter or are taking 00:36:25.080 --> 00:36:30.640 these various life-supporting substances that you recommend, pregnenolone, progesterone, 00:36:30.640 --> 00:36:34.320 thyroid hormone, and coconut oil, is there any danger in taking that if somebody has 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:35.880 an existing goiter? 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.880 Yeah. 00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:52.340 I think people who have a noticeably enlarged thyroid gland should use a thyroid supplement or a good, simple 00:36:52.340 --> 00:37:02.160 protective diet until they have shrunk the gland before they use any of the steroid supplements 00:37:02.160 --> 00:37:08.920 such as progesterone, because I've known a few people who did have a huge gland 00:37:11.080 --> 00:37:15.840 who took progesterone and it normalized 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.840 the function of the gland so that it was able 00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:29.000 to secrete the hormone instead of storing it, but they went into a hyperthyroid 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:36.200 state, and since they knew what was happening, they didn't worry about it. 00:37:36.200 --> 00:37:47.480 But when women, usually in their early twenties or around menopause, when they go into a hyperthyroid 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:56.880 state with a 125 resting pulse, for example, and extreme amounts of sweating and oily skin 00:37:56.880 --> 00:38:07.680 and so on, doctors will immediately want to destroy their thyroid, but when they know that the gland is normalizing itself, then 00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:14.440 they can just set it out for sometimes two to four, five weeks as the gland unloads. 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.440 Well, that's so fascinating. 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.440 Well, we have a caller on the line. 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.320 Aloha, welcome to the Source Nutritional Radio Show. 00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.840 You had a question for our guest today, Dr. Raymond Peat. 00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:30.000 Yes, I had two and I'll listen on the radio. What then do you think is the best ratio between 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:36.000 omega-6 and omega-3? And also, have you ever heard of leptin? 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:44.000 Leptin, yeah, leptin is part of the inflammation promoting system. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.000 They said it was a sticky protein. 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.000 A what? 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.000 A sticky protein that disrupts a lot of things in your body. 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:57.000 She says it's a sticky protein? 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.000 Leptin, that's L-E-P-T-I-N? 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:12.280 Yes. in. It's a little peptide produced by the fat cells, which it was promoted by the drug 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:21.220 industry 10 or 15 years ago as a cure for obesity, but then it turned out that it also 00:39:21.220 --> 00:39:23.000 promotes inflammation and cancer.