WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.000 [music] 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:12.760 Good afternoon and welcome to your own health and fitness talk show. 00:00:12.760 --> 00:00:15.840 I'm health integration specialist Laina Berman 00:00:15.840 --> 00:00:20.240 and I'm here live with you every Tuesday at noon talking to you about health care 00:00:20.240 --> 00:00:21.320 and fitness trends 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:25.680 and taking your phone calls. This week's show is an interview with 00:00:25.680 --> 00:00:28.960 biologist, researcher, and medical activist 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:32.880 Raymond Peat. He's the true pioneer of the use of 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:36.120 supplemental natural progesterone among other things 00:00:36.120 --> 00:00:39.560 and as usual I will open up the phone lines 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:44.720 at 1230 at 510-848-4425 for your participation. 00:00:44.720 --> 00:00:49.480 I want to remind people if you'd like to get a tape of today's show or you need 00:00:49.480 --> 00:00:52.960 to get hold of me after the show you can call my office during normal business 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:53.640 hours 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:57.280 and that number is 707-769-145 00:00:57.280 --> 00:01:01.520 8. I don't 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.600 actually want to do much of an editorial today 00:01:04.600 --> 00:01:08.360 because I have a lot to discuss with Dr. Peat and I want to get right into the 00:01:08.360 --> 00:01:08.800 show 00:01:08.800 --> 00:01:12.320 but I'd like to give you some information about why 00:01:12.320 --> 00:01:16.560 the show is so important to me and why I chose 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.560 Dr. Peat to come on the air with us today. 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.760 It was roughly 15 years ago I went to a lecture, 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:27.360 a small talk actually at UCSF and 00:01:27.360 --> 00:01:31.520 Ray Peat was there speaking and he spoke 00:01:31.520 --> 00:01:34.600 a bit about among other things some 00:01:34.600 --> 00:01:39.120 research that had been done on the topic of helplessness 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:43.160 using animals. It was unfortunate, I mean animal rights people would not like 00:01:43.160 --> 00:01:44.000 this research but 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.920 they had done an experiment that proved that when animals 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.000 were made to feel helpless they lost the will to live 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:55.640 and he was discussing this 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:59.840 in the context of how it affects patients who are caught 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:04.000 in a chronic illness cycle and are in a cycle of being 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.200 treated constantly and being dependent on treatment. He also 00:02:08.200 --> 00:02:11.320 spoke about the use of natural progesterone 00:02:11.320 --> 00:02:14.400 and thyroid medication as 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.640 things that excite the cells and help 00:02:17.640 --> 00:02:21.880 the body to pull out of an inhibitory state. His 00:02:21.880 --> 00:02:24.920 work is very controversial although 00:02:24.920 --> 00:02:28.320 some of the things, many of the things, most of the things that he said 00:02:28.320 --> 00:02:31.640 that I heard 15 years ago now are considered 00:02:31.640 --> 00:02:34.880 sort of the new wave of information 00:02:34.880 --> 00:02:38.640 in somewhat alternative health although even in mainstream 00:02:38.640 --> 00:02:42.160 health some of the swings that we've made from polyunsaturated oils to 00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:45.640 recognizing the use of saturated fats for cooking and various things 00:02:45.640 --> 00:02:49.480 and certainly the use of progesterone, natural progesterone 00:02:49.480 --> 00:02:53.760 and thyroid medication and the problem that people have with thyroid. 00:02:53.760 --> 00:02:58.760 I have chosen to do a show with him and I want you to understand that 00:02:58.760 --> 00:03:02.000 you may find a lot of what he has to say 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.560 confusing and controversial but I want you to maintain an open mind 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.840 as I do with him at all times and 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.920 consider what he has to say and try it on for yourself. 00:03:12.920 --> 00:03:16.360 As with all the shows that I do I want you 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:21.680 to think for yourself but it's a rare opportunity to have Dr. Peat available 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:22.280 to us 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:25.440 and I think that he's a very important researcher and I think you ought to 00:03:25.440 --> 00:03:27.280 listen carefully to what he has to say. 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:31.760 In ways of an introduction Raymond Peat has a doctorate in biology from 00:03:31.760 --> 00:03:34.880 University of Oregon with a specialization in physiology. 00:03:34.880 --> 00:03:37.840 His books include Mind and Tissue, 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:43.160 Progesterone in Orthomolecular Medicine, Nutrition for Women and Generative 00:03:43.160 --> 00:03:47.520 Energy. He's taught at the University of Oregon, Urbana College, 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.480 Montana State University, National College of Naturopathic Medicine, 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:55.500 Universidad de Veracruz, Ana, 00:03:55.500 --> 00:03:59.320 and the Universidad Autonoma del 00:03:59.320 --> 00:04:04.120 Estado de Mexico. He founded Blake College which is an international 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:04.860 university. 00:04:04.860 --> 00:04:07.880 Dr. Peat in addition does independent research, 00:04:07.880 --> 00:04:11.320 continues to do it, thank goodness for all of us, and private endocrine and 00:04:11.320 --> 00:04:12.040 nutritional 00:04:12.040 --> 00:04:16.880 counseling. Some of you have just been introduced to Dr. Peat because 00:04:16.880 --> 00:04:21.480 he's mentioned in Dr. John Lee's book What Your Doctor May Not Know About 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:22.320 Metapause 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:25.920 as Dr. Lee's inspiration for his research 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.240 on natural progesterone. So without any further delay I'd like to welcome you 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.280 to the show. Are you there Ray? Yeah, yeah, hi. Hi. 00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:37.000 Thanks so much for taking the time. I thought that was a good context 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.040 you created talking about the helplessness 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.600 thing because since Dr. Lee's 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:47.160 book came out I've been hearing from people who 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:51.320 say I just want progesterone for my bones or 00:04:51.320 --> 00:04:54.840 whatever and I think the real meaning 00:04:54.840 --> 00:04:58.920 of any of these natural supplements or substances 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.160 is that they 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:05.560 participate in everything. 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:08.840 Their physiology and ecology are 00:05:08.840 --> 00:05:14.080 tied together in a system and these things are important because 00:05:14.080 --> 00:05:19.080 they're sort of central links in this ecological, physiological 00:05:19.080 --> 00:05:23.520 system but even inside the perception 00:05:23.520 --> 00:05:26.960 of power or helplessness can make 00:05:26.960 --> 00:05:29.960 a tremendous difference in how these 00:05:29.960 --> 00:05:33.040 hormones work and when people think of them as 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.120 products or drugs 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.400 they are almost certain to misuse them in some way. 00:05:40.400 --> 00:05:44.960 Well, the reason I brought up the research on helplessness is because 00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:48.120 essentially hearing the lecture that you gave let me out of a cage 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:52.960 and I had a completely different view of my health after that and it 00:05:52.960 --> 00:05:56.720 had a profound effect on me. I think 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.600 it's a good segue to talk about what you talk about when you talk about an 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.800 inhibitory state which is the same as what you just started to say 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:07.160 so that I want you to talk about the fact that we're not just talking about 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:10.760 progesterone, we're talking about the way for instance our 00:06:10.760 --> 00:06:14.800 modern diet has suppressed thyroid function in the way that all of these 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:16.040 systems work together. 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:20.280 The idea of the inhibitory 00:06:20.280 --> 00:06:24.040 state comes largely from 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.640 Pavlovian tradition and Pavlov 00:06:27.640 --> 00:06:31.320 saw three basic biological states, 00:06:31.320 --> 00:06:35.680 one in which you're so well rested and prepared 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.800 that you could respond 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.480 to challenges without being stressed and 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:46.400 the other, that was high inhibition, 00:06:46.400 --> 00:06:50.440 readiness and the low state of being inhibited 00:06:50.440 --> 00:06:54.200 is sort of protection against 00:06:54.200 --> 00:06:57.800 overstimulation and in between 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.040 is the range of stress and 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.080 energy is needed to put us up into the readiness 00:07:05.080 --> 00:07:09.200 state where we're relaxed and able to cope with 00:07:09.200 --> 00:07:12.600 without experiencing the stress reaction and 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.520 we think of cortisol and the glucocorticoids 00:07:16.520 --> 00:07:20.080 as the central stress handling 00:07:20.080 --> 00:07:23.160 hormones but the brain is 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.840 set up such that ACTH 00:07:26.840 --> 00:07:30.840 which turns on the adrenal hormones such as cortisol 00:07:30.840 --> 00:07:34.680 ACTH is produced in response 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:39.600 to a substance which is only produced when we're deficient 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.560 in pregnenolone and thyroid, the precursor materials 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.880 and so that when you're in that 00:07:46.880 --> 00:07:50.520 replenished state with enough pregnenolone 00:07:50.520 --> 00:07:53.520 you don't even resort to the stress 00:07:53.520 --> 00:07:56.920 reaction. That's the latest 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:00.640 biological meaning of the high state of 00:08:00.640 --> 00:08:03.880 inhibition or readiness. 00:08:03.880 --> 00:08:08.200 So to make it accessible to people who are listening 00:08:08.200 --> 00:08:11.520 many of us you know have been as we 00:08:11.520 --> 00:08:14.720 often like to say running on adrenaline instead of 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:17.720 something more sustaining and 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:21.200 there's a lot of adrenal exhaustion in people with autoimmune diseases and 00:08:21.200 --> 00:08:21.720 whatnot 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:25.600 so part of what happens is there's a wheel and somewhere along the line you 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:28.440 have to be able to stick a stick in the wheel to make it stop 00:08:28.440 --> 00:08:31.840 what is the stick? What's the first stick? 00:08:31.840 --> 00:08:35.560 Adequate protein and sodium 00:08:35.560 --> 00:08:38.600 are very crucial 00:08:38.600 --> 00:08:44.400 for the average American. Adequate high-quality protein is 00:08:44.400 --> 00:08:47.440 needed before your liver can regulate 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:51.200 your blood sugar and all of the hormones 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:54.800 and without that you tend to 00:08:54.800 --> 00:08:59.680 waste your minerals and sodium is a key mineral 00:08:59.680 --> 00:09:03.080 and so people who are on low protein and low sodium 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:06.440 diets are doing exactly what 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.480 puts them into the stress situation. 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:13.560 And as I understand there are foods that you believe 00:09:13.560 --> 00:09:16.840 suppress thyroid function which is another key to this yes? 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:20.240 Yeah, these low sodium and low thyroid 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:23.560 are sort of basic 00:09:23.560 --> 00:09:27.240 things to think about but there's a whole 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.960 layer of American foods and 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.640 they're worldwide poison. You can see belts 00:09:34.640 --> 00:09:38.600 of thyroid disease and tuberculosis for example 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:42.480 wherever people eat too much cabbage 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.920 or too many beans and lentils. 00:09:45.920 --> 00:09:48.920 These foods are the classical 00:09:48.920 --> 00:09:51.960 traditional thyroid inhibitors 00:09:51.960 --> 00:09:55.560 but chemically it's the 00:09:55.560 --> 00:09:58.920 essential fatty acids 00:09:58.920 --> 00:10:02.120 so-called the unsaturated fats 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:05.880 that are becoming very important to Americans 00:10:05.880 --> 00:10:08.920 and thyroid and progesterone function. 00:10:08.920 --> 00:10:12.160 Okay, well the reason both of us are laughing is because we've had no 00:10:12.160 --> 00:10:15.280 end of conversations about essential fatty acids because 00:10:15.280 --> 00:10:20.000 I don't know how I feel about this. I'm rather alarmed by what Raymond is 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:20.800 saying 00:10:20.800 --> 00:10:24.320 but I'm confused because when you go to 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.600 at least what I've seen in biochemical and nutrition textbooks 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.440 they say that, you know, the premise I think that Ray is talking about is that 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:35.200 saturated fat will turn into 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:39.560 essential fat but my understanding is that saturated oil can't turn into 00:10:39.560 --> 00:10:40.440 long-chain 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:43.600 omega-3s and that although Paleolithic 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:47.000 meat had it in it because the animals were eating leafy greens 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:50.440 since we're now eating corn-fed meat 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.200 we're not going to get it outside. 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.400 Omega-3 and omega-6 00:10:57.400 --> 00:11:00.520 are the things that people are 00:11:00.520 --> 00:11:04.120 currently conscious of because of vast marketing 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:07.160 campaign that has been going on for 40 years 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:10.200 but when we aren't given 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.480 these things which inhibit these external 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.840 unsaturated fats, inhibit our own enzyme 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:20.920 systems and when we are not saturated with these 00:11:20.920 --> 00:11:24.000 enzyme inhibitors our own 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.520 cells produce omega-9 00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:31.360 unsaturated fatty acids. Coconut oil and 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.960 olive oil are very similar to what 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:38.240 the baby produces 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.640 when it's not, when it's relatively insulated 00:11:41.640 --> 00:11:45.480 and if you take cells and grow them in culture 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.760 they grow wonderfully in a completely 00:11:48.760 --> 00:11:52.440 unsaturated oil free culture medium 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.600 showing that human cells whether 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:59.040 in the developing fetus or in the laboratory 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:03.040 dish do a fine job of producing unsaturated fat 00:12:03.040 --> 00:12:06.280 and in fact have 00:12:06.280 --> 00:12:10.240 more cellular vitality than when they're exposed to these 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.520 environmental oils. Okay well just again to make it accessible 00:12:14.520 --> 00:12:17.600 what you're really saying is to stay 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.920 away from vegetable oils correct? Yeah 00:12:20.920 --> 00:12:25.240 for example the degree of unsaturation 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:29.200 linoleic with three double bonds 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.480 or linoleic acid with two double bonds 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:36.320 in proportion to the number of double bonds 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.600 they poison the thyroid function 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.080 at every known level. The synthesis 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.280 the transport and the response 00:12:46.280 --> 00:12:49.760 in two or three different ways inside the cells 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:52.760 are strongly poisoned by the 00:12:52.760 --> 00:12:56.400 three unsaturated groups and 00:12:56.400 --> 00:12:59.520 significantly inhibited by the 00:12:59.520 --> 00:13:04.040 two double bonds of linoleic acid. I told you guys this would be 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:07.120 going against everything else you've been hearing and truly it is 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.600 we're gonna run out of time and one of the things I want to make sure we go 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:12.520 over is that 00:13:12.520 --> 00:13:16.080 I think what we've just said is that eating 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.120 unsaturated polyunsaturated oils is 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:23.080 thyroid inhibitory not eating enough protein also 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:27.840 inhibits thyroid function and don't you also believe the grains 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:31.280 do the same thing? Well the whole grains 00:13:31.280 --> 00:13:35.080 contain a variety of toxins that are put there 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:38.880 to protect the next generation of the plants 00:13:38.880 --> 00:13:42.560 the plants put their worst poisons in their seeds 00:13:42.560 --> 00:13:47.360 and the next level of toxicity in their leaves 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.000 to prevent bugs and grazers from 00:13:51.000 --> 00:13:54.520 killing them. Fruits and roots 00:13:54.520 --> 00:13:58.160 are where the vegetable matter is least 00:13:58.160 --> 00:14:02.960 toxic but the unsaturated oils in the seeds are part of the 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:06.280 cells that the plants defense against being 00:14:06.280 --> 00:14:09.520 eaten and digested. 00:14:09.520 --> 00:14:12.960 So when we start to talk about being careful what you eat because it may 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:14.520 inhibit your thyroid function 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:18.520 the reason we're saying that is because even people who are testing normal 00:14:18.520 --> 00:14:22.520 for thyroid function but have cold hands and have below normal temperatures and 00:14:22.520 --> 00:14:24.640 maybe are just slightly low in thyroid function 00:14:24.640 --> 00:14:27.680 often also are estrogen dominant 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:31.080 and this includes some men. 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.320 As your thyroid goes down your estrogen comes up 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.200 a very neat connection which is because your liver 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.920 needs both protein and thyroid to get rid of estrogen 00:14:42.920 --> 00:14:47.240 and when your liver function decreases your estrogen automatically 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.360 piles up. Okay just a quick 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.600 ID for the show this is your own health and fitness I'm health integration 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:55.880 specialist Lena Berman and I'm on the phone with 00:14:55.880 --> 00:15:00.680 biologist and I would say medical I'd like to call you a medical 00:15:00.680 --> 00:15:01.280 activist 00:15:01.280 --> 00:15:04.480 Raymond Peat who 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.400 is a rare guest and a very important guest and we're talking about the 00:15:08.400 --> 00:15:09.680 relationship between 00:15:09.680 --> 00:15:13.920 a diet and the various hormones and steroids that exist in our bodies 00:15:13.920 --> 00:15:14.920 including thyroid 00:15:14.920 --> 00:15:17.920 and progesterone. We'll open up the phone lines 00:15:17.920 --> 00:15:21.280 maybe at 1230 I may actually extend the interview a little bit let's see 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:22.240 how we do. 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:27.920 So what happens when you're throwing off the estrogen balance in the 00:15:27.920 --> 00:15:30.200 body and again to remind people this is not just 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.200 women this is men and particularly because we're living in an environment 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.280 with a lot of xenoestrogens and foods that have estrogen like 00:15:36.280 --> 00:15:40.000 like soy this can happen in men as well. 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.800 This leaves us susceptible am I right to autoimmune 00:15:43.800 --> 00:15:47.480 dysfunction? Yeah there are several good 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:51.160 books available on the role of 00:15:51.160 --> 00:15:55.360 estrogen in autoimmune diseases. It's 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.480 very central to autoimmune 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:02.160 degenerative diseases. In our hamster lab 00:16:02.160 --> 00:16:06.000 many years ago some of the researchers saw that 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.560 estrogen first causes overdevelopment of 00:16:10.560 --> 00:16:13.720 the adrenal cortex in the animals and 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:19.240 as they increase the dose it reached the point that it killed the adrenal cells. 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:23.200 It in essence is a 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:28.400 stress hormone. Hans Zellye in the 1940s described it as the shock 00:16:28.400 --> 00:16:32.240 hormone. It imitates everything of shock and stress. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:37.240 Because it's this sort of line of thinking I think and reading 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.280 I was going to ask you about where you're looking what research 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:44.600 you've been looking at that brings up this stuff about polyunsaturated oils 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.800 because in many of our conversations you've said this research is very old 00:16:47.800 --> 00:16:52.040 about the carcinogenic the potential carcinogenic effect of polyunsaturated oils. 00:16:52.040 --> 00:16:56.360 The oldest study that I know of was 1927 in 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.680 Germany in which they showed that a fat-free diet 00:17:00.680 --> 00:17:04.400 in rats caused them to be essentially free of spontaneous 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:08.280 cancer and just in the last 00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:11.920 several years researchers have demonstrated that 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.640 as you increase the amount of unsaturated oil 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.760 in the diet there's almost a straight line 00:17:18.760 --> 00:17:22.360 associated increase of the development of cancer. 00:17:22.360 --> 00:17:27.200 Yeah and so saturated fat apparently doesn't do this in your estimation? 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:32.480 No and saturated fat is for many years it's known to 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:35.800 be pro-immunity. 00:17:35.800 --> 00:17:39.520 Yeah of course there's all this stuff about heart disease that everybody's getting 00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:40.800 excited about though and 00:17:40.800 --> 00:17:44.640 people do well go ahead. 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:49.160 The Broderbarn's books on heart disease are probably the best 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.600 introduction to this even though the Schutt 00:17:52.600 --> 00:17:55.720 family started in the 1930s showing how 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.120 estrogen promotes blood clots but 00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:02.560 Broderbarn's work shows that 00:18:02.560 --> 00:18:08.400 low thyroid which of course is caused by too much unsaturated fats 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.560 is the main cause for 00:18:11.560 --> 00:18:15.000 degenerative circulatory disease and 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.720 the research of just the last few years is showing 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.520 that in fact unsaturated fats are highly 00:18:22.520 --> 00:18:26.720 atherogenic. The free radical reaction 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.400 which is developed in thyroid deficient animals 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:35.800 causes the blood vessels to be the first 00:18:35.800 --> 00:18:39.040 site of attack as these unsaturated fats 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:42.160 are either eaten or drawn out of 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:46.040 the fat storage tissues. They are exposed to 00:18:46.040 --> 00:18:49.480 oxygen in the bloodstream, produce free radicals 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.600 and attack the lining of the blood vessels. 00:18:52.600 --> 00:18:56.200 Just to again to break this down for people what we're talking about 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:00.680 is a real hunter-gatherer diet that's what we're talking about is eating a 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.080 very strict hunter-gatherer diet that is 00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:06.640 probably forty percent protein and includes 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:10.480 probably some cooked vegetables 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.280 well-cooked and tubers, potatoes 00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:17.920 and fruit. But 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.080 let's go back to progesterone because 00:19:21.080 --> 00:19:24.680 you're really quite famous for this now and talk about the link and how 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:25.920 progesterone works 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.240 to help with this again to put a stick in the wheel. 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:32.320 Okay, the reason 00:19:32.320 --> 00:19:36.320 cholesterol is high in low thyroid people 00:19:36.320 --> 00:19:40.440 and this was neatly established in the 1930s 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.680 that they took high cholesterol to be diagnostic of 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.800 low thyroid because you can demonstrate such a neat 00:19:47.800 --> 00:19:51.080 up-and-down relationship. For example a month ago I saw 00:19:51.080 --> 00:19:54.520 two people who wanted to pass a 00:19:54.520 --> 00:19:58.880 health test in a few days lower their cholesterol 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:02.920 200 points in about three or four days 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.800 just by adjusting their thyroid. 00:20:06.800 --> 00:20:10.120 So thyroid is what 00:20:10.120 --> 00:20:13.240 makes you regulate your cholesterol but it 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:17.160 does it largely by turning cholesterol 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.720 into steroids starting with pregnenolone 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.320 and progesterone being 00:20:25.320 --> 00:20:29.040 one of the major products so that 00:20:29.040 --> 00:20:33.320 if you have adequate thyroid and cholesterol 00:20:33.320 --> 00:20:37.600 and vitamin A your cholesterol is going to be turned 00:20:37.600 --> 00:20:40.840 efficiently into progesterone and 00:20:40.840 --> 00:20:44.840 these are the hormones that prevent the stress reaction 00:20:44.840 --> 00:20:48.600 that involves cortisone and adrenaline. 00:20:48.600 --> 00:20:52.120 Okay, well that's a big if because for many of us even those of us 00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:55.440 who I mean as we've talked about before there are many people who already have 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:56.520 autoimmune disease 00:20:56.520 --> 00:21:00.720 and maybe you're supplementing with thyroid now so part of this 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:04.880 has to do with supplementation of thyroid and progesterone because this 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:05.360 sort of 00:21:05.360 --> 00:21:08.920 mechanism of getting well again after the damage has been done 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:13.240 is a slow one, no? Yeah and the unsaturated fats 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:16.320 also poison the for example ovaries 00:21:16.320 --> 00:21:19.920 and brain cells directly. I just hate it when you talk this way. 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:23.840 It makes me nuts. Go ahead. 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:27.040 There are other things such as iron overload 00:21:27.040 --> 00:21:30.160 or unsaturated fat excess or vitamin 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:34.200 E deficiency that poison the progesterone producing 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.360 cells but the basic thing is 00:21:37.360 --> 00:21:41.240 having enough cholesterol, vitamin A and thyroid to produce 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:46.400 these protective hormones. Okay so some people are starting to take extra 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:50.080 supplemental thyroid again I'm looking at trying to stop the wheel 00:21:50.080 --> 00:21:53.280 and people are introducing 00:21:53.280 --> 00:21:58.080 natural progesterone as a supplement to help the absorption of the thyroid 00:21:58.080 --> 00:22:01.920 and to lower you know to contest the estrogen. Am I okay? 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.760 Progesterone facilitates function of the thyroid gland 00:22:05.760 --> 00:22:10.760 and that is a potential side effect of taking progesterone because 00:22:10.760 --> 00:22:14.080 everyone who's low in progesterone is 00:22:14.080 --> 00:22:17.360 going to have some kind of thyroid malfunction 00:22:17.360 --> 00:22:20.840 because the thyroid is blocked in its function by 00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:24.400 estrogen and activated by progesterone 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:28.280 so if it has been blocked and has a store 00:22:28.280 --> 00:22:31.920 of hormone when you take progesterone sometimes 00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:35.640 it starts the thyroid working too fast as it 00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:39.760 unloads this bulk. 00:22:39.760 --> 00:22:44.120 Okay so then we've got 00:22:44.120 --> 00:22:48.120 people who are getting older. First we've got people who maybe are even 00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:48.960 really young 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.600 that are still having trouble with the thyroid being inhibited and 00:22:52.600 --> 00:22:56.000 the autoimmune diseases and they're taking progesterone 00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.160 and this is again, men can take this as well, no? 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:03.120 Then we start to get people who are getting middle-aged 00:23:03.120 --> 00:23:07.280 and things start to change and that's when I think 00:23:07.280 --> 00:23:11.960 you like people to consider if they're ill or maybe not only ill to consider 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:13.720 supplementing with pregnenolone 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:18.120 and you know I asked, I think I told you I asked Michael Colgan 00:23:18.120 --> 00:23:22.400 who is a sports nutrition specialist about pregnenolone. He went, "Oh no, it 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.320 makes, you know, makes cortisol and people who are exercising will make cortisol and 00:23:26.320 --> 00:23:27.160 that won't be good." So 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:31.000 tell me, tell everybody about that. The one hormonal 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:34.280 effect that has been seen consistently 00:23:34.280 --> 00:23:37.360 and it's the only thing that shows up 00:23:37.360 --> 00:23:40.720 in when you study 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.040 animals or people who are given pregnenolone, the 00:23:44.040 --> 00:23:48.480 only hormonal consequence is that if their cortisone 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:53.400 is elevated, pregnenolone brings it down to normal. 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:57.480 That's because the elevation of cortisol 00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:01.000 is connected through mechanisms 00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:04.120 in the brain circuitry. 00:24:04.120 --> 00:24:07.080 High cortisol is a symptom of a 00:24:07.080 --> 00:24:12.560 pregnenolone deficiency and once you get your cortisone 00:24:12.560 --> 00:24:17.880 down by having enough pregnenolone, then any amount of pregnenolone you take 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:21.280 has no hormonal action whatsoever 00:24:21.280 --> 00:24:24.600 but you need to be saturated otherwise 00:24:24.600 --> 00:24:28.840 you are going to resort to cortisone and cortisone 00:24:28.840 --> 00:24:33.600 is the basic thing that ages the skin, the brain cells, 00:24:33.600 --> 00:24:36.920 the bones. Every cell is 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.160 aged faster under the influence of cortisone. 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:44.680 Okay, and then pregnenolone usually advise people after 50 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.800 to do. Incidentally, just to let you know, I am going to go long on this 00:24:48.800 --> 00:24:52.560 interview. What I'll do is I'll still break at 1230 for about 30 seconds 00:24:52.560 --> 00:24:55.800 and you guys who are listening who want to call in, please 00:24:55.800 --> 00:24:59.360 try to maybe write to me questions down because we'll probably have to move quickly through the calls 00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:02.320 and then when we come back from break I'm going to go ahead with the interview for 00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:03.920 maybe another 10 minutes because there's 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.280 several things I want to sort of go through with Ray before I open up the phone line. 00:25:07.280 --> 00:25:10.920 So start listing your questions down so we can move through them quickly. 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.200 Pregnenolone after 50. 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:18.120 Now we've got the vitamin companies are pushing DHEA. 00:25:18.120 --> 00:25:21.680 So why don't you explain how that fits in? Okay, pregnenolone 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:26.160 turns into either progesterone or DHEA 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.800 and DHEA happens to be close 00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:34.720 to testosterone and estrogen. It's in the sex hormone pathway. 00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:38.160 And progesterone happens to be in 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:42.400 the adrenal pathway. It's the main 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.640 protection. It's a very powerful protection against 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.240 all of the adrenal hormones so that 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:52.360 you don't even need your adrenal glands. 00:25:52.360 --> 00:25:57.000 Hans Zellye demonstrated that the adrenals can be removed 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.520 and the animal is happy and lives its full lifespan 00:26:00.520 --> 00:26:06.400 if given progesterone. So progesterone is necessary to make the adrenal hormones 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.640 but it's the basic protection against an 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:13.040 excess of them. So these 00:26:13.040 --> 00:26:16.640 two pathways are both kept supplied 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.600 by pregnenolone. And you know I'm not 00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:24.520 I'm telling especially women to sort of stay clear of DHEA because I think that 00:26:24.520 --> 00:26:26.320 that's the wrong step in the pathway. 00:26:26.320 --> 00:26:29.720 I knew a middle-aged man who 00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:35.640 was taking DHEA and had his liver was expanding so large I had him 00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:39.200 get his estrogen measured and his 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:42.480 estrogen was high for a young woman. 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.920 And a few days after he stopped the DHEA 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.440 his estrogen level was down to normal 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:53.480 but his liver now a year later is still like a watermelon. 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:58.440 And in rat studies DHEA is 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.160 highly carcinogenic to the liver. It stimulates first 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:06.760 enlargement of the liver and sometimes shrinkage of the thymus because of 00:27:06.760 --> 00:27:10.760 its overflow into the thymolytic 00:27:10.760 --> 00:27:13.920 sex hormones, estrogen and testosterone. But 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:19.000 it is chronically a great risk of liver cancer. 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.400 So the way to encourage production of it would be 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.640 after 50 or so people who 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.680 who want to can supplement with pregnenolone instead? 00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:33.080 Yeah and if you have adequate cholesterol 00:27:33.080 --> 00:27:38.080 I think of people as being lucky if they have cholesterol of 250 because 00:27:38.080 --> 00:27:41.560 that means all they have to do is take thyroid 00:27:41.560 --> 00:27:45.120 until they have brought their cholesterol down 00:27:45.120 --> 00:27:48.240 to about 170 or so 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.840 and at that point the abundance of cholesterol 00:27:52.840 --> 00:27:57.080 is a great benefit because it makes them able to produce pregnenolone and 00:27:57.080 --> 00:27:58.760 progesterone and DHEA. 00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:02.280 Okay, that makes a lot of sense actually. 00:28:02.280 --> 00:28:05.640 I'm going to break in a moment here 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.600 but when we come back what I want to ask you about is men and progesterone. 00:28:09.600 --> 00:28:11.560 Also I want to make something clear to people. 00:28:11.560 --> 00:28:15.360 We're talking about natural progesterone 00:28:15.360 --> 00:28:19.120 not progestins, not pharmaceutically altered 00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:23.520 hormones that are sold by pharmaceutical companies and patented that are changed. 00:28:23.520 --> 00:28:24.920 We're talking about natural 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:29.400 progesterone that is synthesized still from natural sources but not changed, not 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:29.840 altered. 00:28:29.840 --> 00:28:32.920 We'll talk about some sources of that when we get back. So let me 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.080 take a brief musical break. When we come back I'm going to continue the interview 00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:37.480 for another 10 minutes or so. 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.240 At about 1240 I'll open up the phone lines. This is your own health and fitness talk 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:41.720 show. 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:48.720 I'm Lena Berman on the phone with Dr. Raymond Peat. We'll be right back. 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:55.720 [Music] 00:28:55.720 --> 00:29:02.720 [Music] 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:10.720 [Music] 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:17.720 [Music] 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:24.720 [Music] 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:31.720 [Music] 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:38.720 [Music] 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:45.720 [Music] 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:52.720 [Music] 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:56.720 [Music] 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:57.720 Welcome back. 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.720 Welcome back. This is your own health and fitness talk show. I'm Lena Berman, 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.120 health integration specialist. 00:30:03.120 --> 00:30:07.520 I'm on the phone with Dr. Raymond Peat, a biologist and researcher. 00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:10.920 I'm holding off on opening the phone lines for another 10 minutes because we 00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.420 have an awful lot to talk about. 00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:16.520 At about 1240 I'll open them up. Raymond, 00:30:16.520 --> 00:30:21.020 we were talking about pregnenolone and I'd like to move to progesterone, 00:30:21.020 --> 00:30:22.020 natural progesterone 00:30:22.020 --> 00:30:25.240 in its use for men and also you discovered 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.280 that it's good for the relief of migraine headaches. 00:30:29.280 --> 00:30:32.320 Hans Zellye 00:30:32.320 --> 00:30:36.360 discovered all of the basic properties of progesterone. I think 00:30:36.360 --> 00:30:39.820 his technicians reported that they had killed 00:30:39.820 --> 00:30:43.520 all of his rats in one experiment with progesterone and he 00:30:43.520 --> 00:30:46.840 said he couldn't believe that and he fished the dead 00:30:46.840 --> 00:30:50.800 rats out of the garbage and found that they were just profoundly 00:30:50.800 --> 00:30:54.600 anesthetized. It turns out that 00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:58.640 when healthy animals are in their last day or two of 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.520 pregnancy, people have put them on electrified 00:31:02.520 --> 00:31:06.560 floors and they don't even notice that they're being shocked because 00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:10.840 the progesterone that's naturally present for childbirth 00:31:10.840 --> 00:31:14.920 is putting them in a literally anesthetized 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.400 state even though they're apparently happy and 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.600 moving around. Don't try this at home people. 00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:26.280 Most of the progesterone that has been researched 00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:30.400 in humans, the maximum doses they give 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.480 injecting 6,000 milligrams for example, 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.760 made people drowsy but never put them 00:31:36.760 --> 00:31:41.120 into an actual anesthetic unconsciousness but 00:31:41.120 --> 00:31:44.280 that's because the solvent 00:31:44.280 --> 00:31:48.800 drop crystals of progesterone when you inject it 00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:52.880 or if you take the powder it doesn't dissolve 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:58.000 in ordinary oils but if you take it dissolved in vitamin E so it actually 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.240 gets into the bloodstream, 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.400 the progesterone has this 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.480 rising series of 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.520 effects which at the peak is 00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:15.280 a highly protected but anesthetized 00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:18.480 condition. Short of that state it 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.680 protects against harmful 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.120 stimuli. For example, 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:29.880 some of the amino acids are called excitotoxic amino acids 00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.440 and the basic protection against these which are 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.680 normal brain transmitters but 00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.000 they happen to excite brain cells to death. 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.880 The brain's normal protection against cell death 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.840 produced by these ordinary transmitters is progesterone 00:32:47.840 --> 00:32:52.160 and to some extent pregnenolone does the same thing. They are the only two 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.400 hormones that work with the other transmitter called 00:32:56.400 --> 00:33:00.720 GABA which puts the brain in a protected resting state 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.960 and prevents the stress damage. 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.760 Okay, so we've done a segue here instead of talking about 00:33:07.760 --> 00:33:11.040 men and progesterone, what we've talked about is that it's not possible really to 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:11.760 overdose 00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:15.600 on progesterone. Although you know one of the questions that 00:33:15.600 --> 00:33:18.640 came up for me is why can't you become progesterone dominant? 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:23.440 Well, on the way up the scale towards protecting everything 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.800 it's also protective against salt imbalance 00:33:27.800 --> 00:33:31.520 and imbalance of the sex steroids and 00:33:31.520 --> 00:33:36.960 that means that it protects your thymus and immune system against destruction by 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.240 the stress hormones 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.280 or the sex hormones. So it's extremely important 00:33:42.280 --> 00:33:47.000 in the sense of being protective but it also neutralizes 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.040 the male hormones and 00:33:50.040 --> 00:33:53.080 so this is at a very low level 00:33:53.080 --> 00:33:56.640 in men it begins to neutralize 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.640 the testosterone and 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.760 so a man wants to be conscious that there is this 00:34:02.760 --> 00:34:06.400 deadly rising protective function and 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.440 if they don't want to be protected against 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.360 having whiskers and other typically male 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.400 traits, they don't want to take 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.600 more than just a very few milligrams a day, 00:34:19.600 --> 00:34:23.400 two or three milligrams a day is about enough to 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.120 offer general protection without neutralizing them 00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:30.600 sexually. Oh, I didn't think it had any feminizing effect. No, it isn't 00:34:30.600 --> 00:34:33.680 feminizing in the sense of 00:34:33.680 --> 00:34:37.000 not being either estrogen 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.160 affected or testosterone effect. Oh, that's interesting because I thought it did, I 00:34:41.160 --> 00:34:42.200 thought when women took 00:34:42.200 --> 00:34:45.400 progesterone that it does increase their testosterone levels. No. 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.040 Well, why does the libido come back then in women? Well, because 00:34:49.040 --> 00:34:52.720 the estrogen as a shock hormone 00:34:52.720 --> 00:34:56.960 causes protective loss of libido 00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:01.040 at some point and by stopping that shock reaction 00:35:01.040 --> 00:35:04.080 the libido comes back and 00:35:04.080 --> 00:35:07.600 men can still function even with 00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:11.120 their testosterone highly neutralized so 00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:14.600 they feel like they've just come out of a cold shower but 00:35:14.600 --> 00:35:18.000 the brain still knows how to make everything 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.200 function. This would be nasty though if the woman is taking progesterone and the man's 00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:23.000 taking too much it could get really ugly. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.360 Well, it doesn't really prevent potency. 00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.880 Well, just interest I would think after a cold shower. 00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:34.000 But it sounds like taking a very small amount of progesterone for men will be 00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:35.440 protection against 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.440 maybe something that we loosely call andropause or male menopause and 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.960 prostatitis and prostate disease. 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:45.520 It has been used largely in Europe 00:35:45.520 --> 00:35:48.880 to shrink enlarged prostates and 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.760 I've seen it happen at a very moderate dose that doesn't even 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.680 affect their sexuality. It'll shrink an enlarged 00:35:57.680 --> 00:36:01.160 prostate. Okay, a couple of quick things. 00:36:01.160 --> 00:36:04.440 I think what we're saying, so what you're saying about the headaches is that it 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.800 has an anesthetic effect. Yeah, and it 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.800 stops the vascular problems that are involved in the blind spots of migraine. 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.680 In two of my worst migraines 00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:20.440 ever I found that in a minute and a half the headache 00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.200 totally resolved and 00:36:24.200 --> 00:36:28.240 in women it is less likely to have such a 00:36:28.240 --> 00:36:33.040 quick massive effect because women are likely to have a much higher 00:36:33.040 --> 00:36:36.480 estrogen level. Estrogen causes nerve 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.720 sensitivities which can 00:36:39.720 --> 00:36:43.320 culminate in epilepsy but migraine is the lower 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.560 grade of this estrogen poisoning and 00:36:46.560 --> 00:36:51.040 the effect on the vascular system of progesterone is 00:36:51.040 --> 00:36:55.480 in the direction of digitalis. It's considered to be the body's 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.680 own heart and circulation regulatory substance 00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:03.800 which is affected by digitalis and this means that 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:07.640 it tones up for example varicose veins or 00:37:07.640 --> 00:37:12.000 bulging veins on the backs of your hands are an easy way to see a progesterone 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.160 deficiency but 00:37:13.160 --> 00:37:16.960 that's what happens in a migraine. The bulging veins 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.760 impair circulation. Ray, very quickly, do you 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.280 completely disapprove of ever supplementing with estrogen if women 00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.520 have vaginal atrophy and 00:37:26.520 --> 00:37:30.240 stuff like that? Yeah, because of the side effects. 00:37:30.240 --> 00:37:35.640 There must be a lot of other hormones that people could research 00:37:35.640 --> 00:37:39.080 without going right to the most 00:37:39.080 --> 00:37:43.680 dangerous shock hormone, estrogen. So your sense is that if women are having 00:37:43.680 --> 00:37:45.640 those even with progesterone 00:37:45.640 --> 00:37:51.280 supplementation? Researchers have found that vitamin A in progesterone and 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.800 even DHEA very often 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.440 it seems to be the missing factor. Okay, now you're confusing people. 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.840 So you're saying after menopause when women are experiencing 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.480 maybe some specific symptoms intervaginally 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.560 that rather than use estrogen that in that situation maybe DHEA is 00:38:10.560 --> 00:38:12.640 appropriate? What about testosterone? 00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:15.880 Yeah, people have been researching all of those and 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:18.960 all of them seem to affect at least 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.800 some of the women and so I think it's better to check them out in the order of 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.040 safety like with pregnenolone, 00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:28.640 thyroid, progesterone first and then try 00:38:28.640 --> 00:38:32.120 as your last resort, try the one that 00:38:32.120 --> 00:38:36.400 tends to kill you sooner. That makes sense, so thyroid and pregnenolone 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:37.480 first, that makes sense. 00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.360 You've had some success treating Graves' disease with pregnenolone. I mean 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:41.760 they're 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.640 irradiating people's thyroids for Graves. Yeah, there's published 00:38:45.640 --> 00:38:49.720 stuff using what I consider mild 00:38:49.720 --> 00:38:54.200 doses of pregnenolone. All of their people, the eyes receded 00:38:54.200 --> 00:38:58.600 and in my few experiences 00:38:58.600 --> 00:39:01.800 the eyes just sort of were sucked back into the head. 00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.320 It's such a dramatic process that 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.640 you have to see what it can do to 00:39:08.640 --> 00:39:12.080 deformed arthritic joints or 00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:16.800 emphysema in which there's almost no oxygen getting through the lungs 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.440 or in this state of Graves' disease 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.640 in which there's a gelatinous material behind the eyeball. 00:39:24.640 --> 00:39:29.240 The valves of the heart can get the same gelatinous deposit which is 00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:32.600 historically thought of as a low 00:39:32.600 --> 00:39:35.880 thyroid product, a glycoprotein, 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.200 but pregnenolone has the most dramatic 00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:42.480 almost instantaneous effect. Like in an hour you can 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:47.600 see results. Okay, what I want people to do is to make sure you get a pencil and 00:39:47.600 --> 00:39:49.440 paper because I want Ray to give out 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.480 his PO box number and his address. 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:56.480 I'm sorry, his PO box number and if you'd like to, Ray, also your phone 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:57.640 number in a second because 00:39:57.640 --> 00:40:02.720 you actually make an oil which is the vitamin E oil with progesterone which is 00:40:02.720 --> 00:40:05.440 much stronger than the creams that are available on the market 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.960 and I think it's a very effective way of supplementing 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:12.600 for progesterone and it's easily gotten by ordering it from you by mail 00:40:12.600 --> 00:40:15.720 including all of your books which are self-published and available 00:40:15.720 --> 00:40:20.200 by ordering them from you by mail. But you know what? You never send a protocol 00:40:20.200 --> 00:40:21.920 with your progesterone oil so I'm 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:26.000 getting no end to phone calls. Yeah, people should read the book 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.760 and become their own expert because like I said at 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.800 the beginning, it's always 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.200 individual and progesterone is just 00:40:36.200 --> 00:40:39.680 one of the central factors in a whole 00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:43.440 physiological ecological problem and usually you can fix the 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:47.480 problem with diet and if not just diet then thyroid 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.880 and I think of progesterone just as one of the 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.440 first aids in repairing the problem but 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.800 not the answer. Okay, so the book being "Progesterone in 00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:01.680 Molecular Medicine" but given that people should 00:41:01.680 --> 00:41:05.080 use their body and their understanding to help to treat themselves 00:41:05.080 --> 00:41:08.160 how much progesterone is in say 00:41:08.160 --> 00:41:13.080 an eighth of a teaspoon of your oil? 50 milligrams 00:41:13.080 --> 00:41:18.200 but you can't think in terms of what doctors often talk about because 00:41:18.200 --> 00:41:22.640 that's enough to make some people a little bit drunk. 00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:26.080 That's three times the normal day's dose. 00:41:26.080 --> 00:41:29.400 Okay, so maybe a sixteenth of a teaspoon is a better starting dose 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.880 and how much vitamin E is in that dose? 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.920 Well, the solvent is vitamin E, it's 90 percent of 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.560 the quantity and so if you have 00:41:41.560 --> 00:41:44.880 25 milligrams of substance 00:41:45.120 --> 00:41:48.600 it's going to be about 00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:52.200 200 units of vitamin E. 00:41:52.200 --> 00:41:55.960 Great, I'm so glad to know this now. You have no idea how many phone calls I get on this. 00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.400 Alright, your PO Box and your phone number? 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:02.920 PO Box 5764 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.160 5764. Eugene, Oregon 00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:10.720 97405. Okay, and you want to give out your phone number? 00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:15.680 No. Okay, so if people want to do a consultation with you? 00:42:15.680 --> 00:42:19.520 Yeah, they can write to the post office box. 00:42:19.520 --> 00:42:22.440 PO Box 5764. Eugene, Oregon 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.960 97405 and you also have a newsletter which is $24 for 12 issues 00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:33.400 a year and you can I assume send people information on how much each book costs? 00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:38.120 Yeah. Okay, I also have a list of the books and the PO Box 00:42:38.120 --> 00:42:43.360 at the front desk of KPFA so people after the show if you get confused can call 00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:48.920 510-848-6767 to get some of the information we just gave out, you know, the PO Box. 00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.120 Alright, I am going to open up the phone lines at long last for those of you who have been waiting 00:42:52.120 --> 00:42:52.840 patiently. 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.480 This is your own health and fitness talk show. I'm health integration specialist 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.240 Laina Berman and I've been on the phone 00:42:58.240 --> 00:43:02.840 for the last 45 minutes. It's been very luxurious with Raymond Peat, 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.000 PhD, a biologist and researcher. We're going to open up the phone lines now at 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:12.440 510-848-4425. Again, 510-848-4425. 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.240 Please remember to turn your radio down before we pick you up. And let's move to 00:43:16.240 --> 00:43:17.080 our first caller. 00:43:17.080 --> 00:43:20.320 Caller, you're on the air with your own health and fitness. Yeah, 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:24.440 I was curious about how much progesterone you need to 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.840 take to treat migraine headaches because I have been getting them 00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:31.040 and I do think they're hormonally related. 00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:35.240 Like I said, the problem is to balance the estrogen 00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:39.080 and it's hard to tell how much estrogen a woman has 00:43:39.080 --> 00:43:42.640 to balance and so a dose that would 00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:47.040 not touch a headache in one person might make the other one 00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:50.840 so drunk they couldn't walk for several hours. 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.120 So I would say not to try more than 00:43:54.120 --> 00:43:59.120 50 milligrams at a dose but then repeat it 00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:02.280 every 15 minutes until the headache is gone. 00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.520 And the efficient way 00:44:05.520 --> 00:44:09.560 to prevent them is to take thyroid or optimize your own 00:44:09.560 --> 00:44:12.680 thyroid production so that your estrogen 00:44:12.680 --> 00:44:15.800 is controlled to a reasonable degree 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.400 and then it takes little or no progesterone 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.520 because the estrogen 00:44:22.520 --> 00:44:26.960 is able to be controlled. Okay, caller, thank you. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.840 You know, you've also mentioned Broderbarn's books but they are in fact 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:32.200 out of print, am I right? 00:44:32.200 --> 00:44:37.320 Yeah, I think so. Okay, so maybe libraries, Broderbarn, B-R-O-D-E-R, 00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.800 B-A-R-N... B-R-O-D-A was his first name. 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.280 B-A-R-N-E-S. B-R-O-D-A- 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.040 B-A-R-N-E-S, Broderbarn's. 00:44:48.040 --> 00:44:51.560 Maybe in the library. Okay, let's move to another caller. 00:44:51.560 --> 00:44:54.920 Caller, you're on the air with KPFA. Yes, 00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:59.000 I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's disease... Along with everybody else in the world. 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.280 ...six months ago with an astronomically high 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.560 level of thyroid antibodies. I have no 00:45:05.560 --> 00:45:08.680 symptoms which can clearly be 00:45:08.680 --> 00:45:11.760 traced to it and I've now, you know, 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:16.600 reached a dose of Synthroid which, you know, balances out my blood test 00:45:16.600 --> 00:45:20.200 but there's no change in the way that I feel. 00:45:20.200 --> 00:45:23.520 There's a lot of history involved here but 00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:27.000 in the practical point that I've seen is that, 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:30.320 for example, any tissue which is 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:35.320 injured, like they have experimentally twisted a piece of cartilage 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.480 and found that just that small amount of 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.560 disruption causes it to raise 00:45:41.560 --> 00:45:45.040 antibodies from its own body and so 00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:48.200 any tissue which is under stress is going to have 00:45:48.200 --> 00:45:51.960 antibodies as part of a cleanup process. 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:56.680 So don't worry about the diagnosis or the antibodies because 00:45:56.680 --> 00:45:59.880 everyone who corrects their thyroid function 00:45:59.880 --> 00:46:02.920 that I've seen has corrected their 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.600 antibody level after about a year of good functioning but 00:46:06.600 --> 00:46:10.720 the real problem is that in the 1940s 00:46:10.720 --> 00:46:15.400 it was known that almost half of Americans were hypothyroid 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:20.280 and got over their symptoms whether it was diabetes or heart disease or 00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:21.200 infections 00:46:21.200 --> 00:46:25.440 when they were given adequate thyroid but a drug company came out 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.880 with the test for protein-bound iodine in the blood 00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:33.720 and they found that 95 percent of the population 00:46:33.720 --> 00:46:37.920 had enough of that and so were not hypothyroid 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:42.240 and that indoctrinated the whole country to believe that 00:46:42.240 --> 00:46:45.440 only five percent of the population is 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.520 really hypothyroid but in the 60s 00:46:48.520 --> 00:46:52.040 it turned out that that test was complete nonsense 00:46:52.040 --> 00:46:55.320 that didn't measure anything of significance but 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.400 what stuck was the doctrine that 95 percent of the people 00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:02.960 are not hypothyroid and the 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.000 synthroid type thyroxine 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.160 was tested in the 1940s on 00:47:09.160 --> 00:47:12.760 young male medical students who were healthy 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.280 and they said oh it works just like thyroid 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.160 but the fact is that it was not tested on women 00:47:20.160 --> 00:47:24.200 and women because of the high estrogen 00:47:24.200 --> 00:47:28.640 that is exaggerated by low thyroid 00:47:28.640 --> 00:47:32.200 women who are low thyroid have 00:47:32.200 --> 00:47:35.440 almost a complete inability to respond 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.600 to thyroxine because it has to be activated by the liver 00:47:39.600 --> 00:47:42.640 and over and over I see women who get 00:47:42.640 --> 00:47:46.320 more and more hypothyroid as they take more and 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.360 more thyroxine and 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.480 sometimes this happens in men sometimes men 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.600 can respond because their livers are not as poisoned by estrogen 00:47:56.600 --> 00:48:01.280 I'm sorry to do this Ray but you know I actually know a lot of people who 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:04.720 taking a combination of medications including some synthroid have done 00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:05.440 really well 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.880 so I don't know. Sometimes it works but 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.320 it's utterly unscientific. That may be so actually 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.560 but then there's that quality of the body as a laboratory 00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:20.480 well it's better than nothing for sure but it very often goes the wrong 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:21.360 direction 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.680 Collar thank you for your call. I guess we should move 00:48:25.680 --> 00:48:29.240 you know let me ask you something if people were to experiment with 00:48:29.240 --> 00:48:33.120 losing a lot of people are supplementing with essential fats like primrose oil 00:48:33.120 --> 00:48:34.560 and flaxseed oil and everything 00:48:34.560 --> 00:48:37.280 because it makes them feel better when I asked you about that initially you said 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:37.880 because 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.080 it has an inhibitory effect on the immune system and so you get less inflamed 00:48:42.080 --> 00:48:42.680 because of that 00:48:42.680 --> 00:48:46.240 how would you stop taking something like that if it's making you feel better 00:48:46.240 --> 00:48:50.000 fish oils are the ones that are more effective 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.960 anti-inflammatory agents but 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.720 there's a generalized anti-immune function such that 00:48:57.720 --> 00:49:01.720 they used to sell emulsions for intravenous use of 00:49:01.720 --> 00:49:06.560 vegetable oils as feeding for cancer patients but 00:49:06.560 --> 00:49:10.600 since it made the patients die faster then they discovered that it was 00:49:10.600 --> 00:49:14.760 destroying their immune systems now they use the very same emulsions 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:18.680 for organ transplant patients just because it does 00:49:18.680 --> 00:49:21.720 suppress immunity. Okay so basically maybe 00:49:21.720 --> 00:49:25.240 up the fish oils get rid of the other stuff is a transitional thing 00:49:25.240 --> 00:49:28.480 possibly anyway let's let's move to some more collars 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.720 Collar you're on the air with KPFA do you have a question? Hello 00:49:31.720 --> 00:49:35.200 yes I've had chronic fatigue syndrome for 00:49:35.200 --> 00:49:38.400 15 years do you have any information that might help me 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.280 yeah very often it starts 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.520 with either thyroid or beans in the diet 00:49:46.520 --> 00:49:51.320 or beans are very common dietary factor 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.000 they contain antigens that 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:58.520 make them a more complex 00:49:58.520 --> 00:50:01.800 toxin that cause 00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:05.280 the liver and the intestine and the thyroid 00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.440 to malfunction and 00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.960 you can break the cycle sometimes just with diet 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.240 but usually thyroid is an important 00:50:15.240 --> 00:50:18.960 thing to consider. Okay, Hunter Gather Diet. 00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:23.520 I think I've talked about it in newsletters 00:50:23.520 --> 00:50:27.480 one called the bean syndrome which involves 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.640 muscle soreness as well as chronic fatigue 00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:34.120 several people have written about it in the past but 00:50:34.120 --> 00:50:37.320 can people get back issues of your newsletters? 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:41.160 I don't like to mention that because it 00:50:41.160 --> 00:50:45.120 takes a long time to find the back issues. What about Nutrition for Women 00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:46.640 your book does it talk about it there? 00:50:46.640 --> 00:50:50.040 No I think the progesterone book is the one 00:50:50.040 --> 00:50:53.640 people should start with. Okay, Collar thank you for your call 00:50:53.640 --> 00:50:57.200 thank you. Let's move to another. Collar you're on the air 00:50:57.200 --> 00:51:00.920 yeah I wasn't listening to the beginning of the show so I don't know whether you spoke about this but 00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.360 when you're talking about treating low thyroid how do you treat it? 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.320 Oh boy I don't know if we can give you a short answer we've got a lot of people 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:10.600 waiting to call in 00:51:10.600 --> 00:51:14.160 it depends on where you're starting from sometimes 00:51:14.160 --> 00:51:17.160 four ounces of orange juice every hour 00:51:17.160 --> 00:51:21.680 through the day for several days is all it takes to 00:51:21.680 --> 00:51:25.520 activate the thyroid. Sometimes it takes adding 00:51:25.520 --> 00:51:29.240 eggs or milk to the diet. If you're not allergic? 00:51:29.240 --> 00:51:32.520 Yeah depending on what the limiting 00:51:32.520 --> 00:51:35.600 factor is in your thyroid problem sometimes 00:51:35.600 --> 00:51:39.200 one dose of progesterone can 00:51:39.200 --> 00:51:42.480 break a person out of the cycle. Sometimes 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:47.280 dropping out vegetable oils or beans or nuts or seeds 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:51.720 is all it takes. Yes switching to a higher protein diet without those 00:51:51.720 --> 00:51:55.480 items in it and low grain too the grain is irritating as well 00:51:55.480 --> 00:52:00.320 yeah. Okay Collar thank you. Let's move on 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.880 Collar you there? Go ahead please. 00:52:03.880 --> 00:52:07.480 We're having some... Hello? Yeah are you there? Oh yeah gee I don't know 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:11.000 great okay. Go ahead please. Hello can you hear me? 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:15.440 Yes please go ahead. Have you done any research on the connection between 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.640 high estrogen levels and fibroid tumors 00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:22.240 or and obesity? Of course. Sure that was 00:52:22.240 --> 00:52:27.240 well documented by 1950 Alexander Lipschut 00:52:27.240 --> 00:52:30.520 and his group showed that the very 00:52:30.520 --> 00:52:33.920 smallest incredibly small dose of 00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:38.280 estrogen that he used if it was allowed to act continuously 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:42.640 without interruption by pregnenolone or progesterone or thyroid 00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:46.280 was first produced 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.080 fibromas in the uterus then the breast 00:52:50.080 --> 00:52:53.080 then the intestine then 00:52:53.080 --> 00:52:58.640 the fibromas tended to progress eventually to cancer of every organ 00:52:58.640 --> 00:53:02.600 he was one of the people who documented the natural history 00:53:02.600 --> 00:53:05.920 of estrogen induced cancers and 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:10.360 fibromas are just an early influence of estrogen 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.800 primarily in the uterus and breast but ultimately 00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.000 in all connective tissues and 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:20.800 other types of cell. What can you do about it? 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.920 Thyroid is the basic thing I've had people 00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.360 get into a slightly hyper thyroid state taking 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.440 a good balanced thyroid supplement 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.280 and month by month they have documented that the thyroid alone 00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.080 is able to shrink the uterine fibroid 00:53:39.080 --> 00:53:42.080 really without using progesterone? Yeah the progesterone 00:53:42.080 --> 00:53:46.000 was tested and does work but partly it works through the 00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:51.080 thyroid and the essential thing is to take enough thyroid to get your estrogen 00:53:51.080 --> 00:53:52.040 way down 00:53:52.040 --> 00:53:56.640 even below normal for a while. Where do you get it? You have to go to the doctor. Yeah you do and that's 00:53:56.640 --> 00:53:59.440 going to be an interesting argument I don't even want to hear that argument 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:03.440 Collar thank you for your call. Good luck. I actually 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.760 have heard of people just changing in my experience with clients that I've had 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.920 just changing their diet and getting rid of the grains getting the protein out 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.920 getting rid of the beans getting rid of the soy 00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:15.240 and getting them on some supplemental progesterone and it has worked 00:54:15.240 --> 00:54:18.760 That's ultimately the best thing but if they're in a hurry to have a baby or 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:19.320 something 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:23.120 they can speed it up. You have to get some black market thyroid. 00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:27.160 Alright let's take just one or two more quick calls. Collar you're on the air 00:54:27.160 --> 00:54:30.280 Hi I was just wondering I missed the very beginning of the show 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.160 and what in what relation are you talking about the thyroid right now? 00:54:34.160 --> 00:54:37.160 Well you know what we're not going to be able to go back because it's way too 00:54:37.160 --> 00:54:40.560 but you can order a tape of the show and if you take my number down at the end. Okay well then I've 00:54:40.560 --> 00:54:42.120 got a question. Okay. 00:54:42.120 --> 00:54:45.120 I eat a diet very high in beans 00:54:45.120 --> 00:54:48.600 and grains and I've been experiencing lots of fatigue 00:54:48.600 --> 00:54:52.560 Right that's what we've been talking about. Thyroid symptoms, my thyroid has been kind of 00:54:52.560 --> 00:54:56.080 I've been noticing it which is unusual. Ray did you pay this guy? 00:54:56.080 --> 00:55:01.400 A few weeks ago there was an article in the newspaper about China 00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:06.480 having 25 million Cretans and 100 million hypothyroid 00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:11.240 people at least and just a couple days after that article 00:55:11.240 --> 00:55:14.640 someone said but you say soy is 00:55:14.640 --> 00:55:19.520 poisonous because it's estrogenic and anti thyroid. What about all the Asians? 00:55:19.520 --> 00:55:24.000 And I said yeah it's proven that it causes 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.960 hypothyroidism. Collar I've made it my mission 00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:31.120 since I've been on the radio to get people to look at this problem it's not 00:55:31.120 --> 00:55:32.360 that I have some kind of 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.960 moral thing about vegetarian diets I just found that they're not entirely 00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:37.240 healthy for everyone. 00:55:37.240 --> 00:55:40.960 Yeah I'm not entirely vegetarian I do eat meat occasionally. 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:44.400 Well you can experiment with dropping the beans and 00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.880 pulling back on the vegetable oils and certainly not cooking with vegetable oils 00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:48.720 and eating more 00:55:48.720 --> 00:55:52.000 potatoes. Yeah don't do that. 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:56.640 Ordinary potatoes especially if they're fried in coconut oil 00:55:56.640 --> 00:55:59.660 are often fantastically 00:55:59.660 --> 00:56:03.080 therapeutic for people with a dietary problem. 00:56:03.080 --> 00:56:07.400 That's a long story but potatoes have an extremely high quality protein. 00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:11.200 What do you think of protein supplements? You know what we're not going to have 00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:14.920 to, I'll let Ray answer you real quick. 00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:20.480 They're generally produced under oxidative conditions that damage the 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:21.120 protein 00:56:21.120 --> 00:56:25.960 seriously so you can get much better protein 00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:30.360 much cheaper from natural milk and eggs or potatoes. 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.920 We're going to have to stop. I don't want to stop but we have to stop. 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:38.880 Ray Peat we've given out a PO box for him it's at the front desk of KPFA. 00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.240 If people need it you can call 00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:44.880 848-6767. Ray thank you so much we're going to have to have you back if you're 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:45.720 willing to do it. 00:56:45.720 --> 00:56:48.960 Okay thanks again. Okay thank you. 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