take it away bill welcome hey guys category five community coffee break for Friday March 27th I had to check the calendar I don't even know run together now lunch just let's just make sure you don't choke on it Robbie we don't want to have you dying at stream that would break terms of contract I say attend the services anyone that's why it's hard to get insurance are you very good day my goodness I just got a notification on my screen from the contractor he's gonna be meeting me 35 minutes 59 yes sir I saw that I saw that congratulations at least I haven't seen I haven't seen the YouTube video yet but I saw the screen the introductory picture on the YouTube screen yes congratulations so let's get into it vp9 and I questioned about the want to discuss the pine song I did yeah we got Bo on and I'm so happy that Bo's online yeah cuz I've been reading up on that on that excellent looking phone and of course can't did it anywhere as you already know Rose right now well even even spare parts for them I thought I'll be sneaky I'll see if I can order the spare parts and assembler myself today that's an nvme Drive when did you order it mmm last week okay yeah like last week was kind of the cutoff for most like peripheral orders and stuff like that now it's like everything will just be like may hold off on ordering those computer parts for a gaming PC stuff going out at your place that's cool but I think what it is Bo is once you're out you're not going to be able to get your stock oh no we're still able to get stuff we've got a big shipment yesterday yeah fantastic okay well that's cool does include any point book pros or opine funny pros are coming next month I think oh goody nice we're not seeing the same up here Bo it's it's been really hard to source it when it's on a phone so I'm putting to touch right now UB port oh yeah oh yeah quit teasing me man quit teasing me stop it oh that looks nice that's too cool brilliant so so here's my question for you Bo is that the same chipset as in the pine books the phone book in the possible pro you know the original pine book yes it's a 64 okay so theoretically I cooked down I could download one of those districts that are meant for the plane flown and it should run on the point book if you modified the device tree it probably would hear the device tree is gonna be the issue but I know if you wanted to kill but if you know paste for it yeah the pine a64 the originals yes or the Esso pine well that's a pine doesn't do a display though but yeah the pine a 64 or the pine book the original phone book both both use the same chip I have an original pine book and and I think Robbie you do too because you and I both you know lamented about the keyboard big time because the the configuration of the keyboard I had the same problem so stop it man now please the phone app on that that's the one thing in all the research I've done like is that just an L Linux application that comes with the distro because there's no distro on the actual there's no distro on the actual device right when you when you get it you have to download one and install it right and that would include the application right so this is where I keep all of my pain pain phone distros you know that's the organizer my christian organs really hard to do things backwards I don't be few so I have my labeled so I can put them out but they change so fast that I have to keep on reimaging them you can see it now how does it keep track of things like your contacts that sort of stuff does it connect to it like a card observer or something or have us there is there anything like that here's the the recent and missed calls area okay yeah so those are yeah okay I guess you have when you've shown the touch it seems like it's not responsive is that just because you're doing it backwards or are they still having some trouble because I'm not because I don't know if I'm supposed to poke it or push it anyway yeah right here a new booted touch if I if I poke it in the right spot there goes okay but then at the bottom I have to drag it okay to get used to the interface each each app or each each app and each this throws a little different also if you do this slow drag from this side you get into the app switcher oh okay currently running yeah that's like that I'm I'm gonna try that I'm gonna see if I can't download that distro and then or any number of distros and stick them on my phone book my original Pineville can see you see how it works it displays the issue because I did look it up this is a 1440 by 800 I think I know I was looking at it - I think it's 1290 by something yeah 42 49 6 7 2013 I spam anyway to make yeah so it's better than the 840 I said yes last time I know can I ask you guys something sure all in favour renaming the coffee break pine phone [Laughter] well there we go need to rename because it's synonymous well you know I've got I've got other stuff to show you because I want to show you some really high tech stuff you know I don't know whether you've seen this before it's what you showed me yesterday that's part of what I showed you yesterday but this one's got batteries charged up oh wow is that that's TRS model Edie if I'm not mistaken that is a trs-80 model 100 yes so trs-80 that's yes trs-80 model 100 that is like state-of-the-art in 1983 and 1984 actually really one of those things one of these days just use it as like a dedicated text editing machine just a reticule selfie that's what this is perfect for because of the full treble keyboard right there and I don't know if you can see the screens running on it can you actually see the screen no no no and let me get that let me let me put this all I got is that were able to guarantee yes it is camera around when do my best not to do my best not to show my really messy desktop yes in middle school I got to use a lot of those because I was on the school newspaper oh yeah yeah I was going out to the store no there you go take everything I can't tell what mine looks like but let me see if I can see that up there it is oh yeah much better and so you can just literally select what you want if you jump into tips let me try this again because I'm trying to do this through the screen I think I've done a test file here and I think it's got some so there's I can't spell obviously but as you can see that's you can see that's 40 characters right I mean that is eight lines by 40 characters but there's there's other you know you can do better than eight lines by 40 characters by doing this jump into jail tomorrow so you you know what kind of operating system is yes oh there's no operating system to speak of on this this has 64 K of memory this is not CPM I will tell you there is a project there's a there's a plug-in you can get for this literally a card you can plug into the option run slot that it's gonna let you run CP in on this thing but now you can see that with the ultimate ROM option ROM in there you now have 60 characters across the string will be fun to have an operating system altered running on the thing and putting a web server on it just to see if it's worked this thing barely running to make it not even three mega what maybe three mega Hertz it's a it's got a 8080 processor in it not as a lady or as Ilya as a game if you call it as II know it's not as the 80 or a zero it is an eighty eighty or an 80 85 or more specifically eight zero c85 because that is the CMOS or low a low current version of the of the CPU but full treble keyboard you got to watch that num lock key because that will enable the the numeric keys on there and that locks down so and beeping where's the insert key possible quotation mark wasn't on the number 2 kilo supposed to be here's the best of quote actually it actually matches pretty close to the to the to a regular keyboard I mean it looks nice it's a gorgeous keyboard to type on I've had this probably literally 30 years or something and it's it and I think and it still runs just fine I love it so yeah so yeah Christian what's the battery life of that thing this round on let me show you it boys yes for double ice lieutenant it will run for like a month on for double double A's oh nice yep yep jump try and give that out of a regular laptop yeah real hard to say the company name on here are we not allowed to say the company name right here I don't I don't remember the Covenant that's why I don't say it if you know it's don't say so that's fine okay system76 oh yes oh yeah that makes sense and you gotta figure if if it has what was it 21 hours mm-hmm so that like that must be like if you were using it non-stop for 21 hours but who does that well that was yeah I don't know how they managed to test that but that was apparently while running or something like it with my bluetooth headphones like it says that it has 12 hours battery life but that that will last for a month before I have to put it on the charger yeah that's true so before the pine foam came out do you guys don't see what I was working on in the same vein indeed yes not the pocket this is a Odroid view 5 and touchscreen and this is an ode right C 0 with a 3000 milliamp hour battery I wired up this USB hub to it so that I could connect let's see a 4G USB dongle to it that's awesome and this one running Android just because the C 0 runs Android really slick and but you could run Linux on it mm-hmm yeah I'm figuring maybe next year I might get a pine phone though they're still viable if you want to remember well no must talks 15 years ago or something and he was talking about how he started there will be a free software movement and his and he said in doc II wrote in one of the you had postings that he was not sure that he would be successful time machine and go back and show me one of the pine phones you did that he would probably be disappointed because the pine phone no is in the Oh quick tell okay I forgot that the graphics driver we have then the kernel now is actually binary blob free anymore understand yeah they replace that like someone reverse-engineered the malli driver and came up with this think of the lima driver and it got excited the kernel so that's that's cool yeah so this is not a qualcomm modem name right known i call come it's so cute qu e SI te l quick telco because there was there was at least one modem and i can't remember who it was Qualcomm or Broadcom that had some sort of a security vulnerability do we know if this one okay Rob Brax Minh and he has a channel called Rob bratzman tech I believe he's a internet privacy and security guy and he does an in-depth review of the pine file and also the pine phone versus the Libre five which is another Linux poem that's coming out and yeah I mean he has he has some pretty good information he's not hundred percent perfect all the time but but his company called purism is pretty proud of it phones I got to tell you yeah it's it's a thicker heavier phone that's more metallic so it has more of a premium feel to it but it's also got premium price tag definitely it's definitely because of the software work that they're doing and is the kind of the marketing surrounding it isn't all that great they probably should be more upfront about how alpha quality the software is the point where they released like you know the first few batches of the Libra 5 didn't have the ability to make calls out or to receive and it was still at a freaking price tag and they said oh it's it's ready now we're gonna give ship these out to people or whatever and it's like yeah I think probably I mean it makes sense that they do want to test the software and have the community develop it with them but at the same time it's I mean they they could be a little bit more software is yeah I think it's a fine line between wanting to not shoot themselves in the foot and be honest at the same time so yeah but the thing is when you when you charge a premium price like that there's an expectation that it should work still you can't charge seven hundred plus dollars and say oh by the way it doesn't work yet I mean I'm sorry Microsoft does it all the time which is why I don't run Windows at the house so the whole mean for me running Linux on a phone it blows my mind because you can you can just no more of this you have to you know send all your statistics to Google or Microsoft weathers and whoever's your operating system so for Apple or whatever sorry I said you know what what I thought about doing with the phone yesterday after we talked the other day you can actually load my sequel or some database on this I would I would absolutely have a go at I mean I have a seed application that uses gtk now you know looking at the Forbes and stuff they probably you run KDE so I don't know for gtk application would work very well in that environment but it it it uses a my skew it uses SQL Lite in the background just embedded their hosts not not MySQL right but it I absolutely expect that it would work I mean it's a tiny little screen know so I don't know how how you know how good the UI would look on such a tiny screen but it will certainly be interesting to try and I would certainly have a go at it for sure I think it's something that we haven't really talked about too is that the the pine phone introduces a new form factor for certain types of appliances like think about what I could do with MEMS if you had an M server and then I created a distro that was for the pine phone that would actually there you know if there was like a distro for the pine phone with your name server and have all your stats on your screen or you know who knows what else you could do but make appliances that have a little a little six inch screen on it that's pretty cool but it's in your phone you could even do this with the pint I don't have a they have a water now that they're selling well but assisted you can't get the parts for but it it is the same sort of infrastructure yes it's running Linux and you can deal with this thing just like you do the plain phone it's it's just running Linux what that is it's not calling home all the time that's the current that I love about it map for that the pain time doesn't run Linux per se it it the developments happening pretty much I mean it can happen in any language really but but they're doing it mostly in rust right now rough and from what I can tell it doesn't actually run a full colonel it runs a minimal very very beast colonel I misunderstood I'm sorry I thought it I thought it ran Linux under the covers yeah the more I read about it I think it's not but if you could develop like if they if they can set it up so this is why you need your tea the fine time development kit is available for purchase right now on the pine story so if you want the fine time development kit you can buy it right now complete watch I thought I was trying to get it I couldn't get out I just thought oh oh maybe it maybe that's change reason you know I think I should absolutely check that out I'd love like to create an app for that your system admins that would be like a notification app just just imagine looking at your watch and being able to tell the status and all your surveys and Robin it has a heart rate sensor in the pine time watch I said now I don't know if it is if it's a slick as the as a smart badge but it certainly has it it took me has a heart rate sensor so here you go Robbie yet you can have MEMS monitor your your health would that be neat there you go add a sensor for it crushed over the data would be going fine time kiddos available you get to send it that's the beauty of it it it doesn't phone home because and MEMS MEMS is an operating system that you install on like a Raspberry Pi so it's self hosted in other words yeah the pine 64 site says the pine time developer kit is available oh good I mean just for curiosity's sake more than anything else it would be I one of the things about about this Robbie is that you have to install an application called H band on on your Android phone right right right that thing phone's heart rate sharing my heart rate with the Chinese government absolutely Oh lots of things phone home and some things phone other places I read this morning that iOS zoom app phones Facebook whether or not you have an account no ok I'm gonna delete it over here I never to make date you speaking of Facebook you guys are familiar that Firefox put out a container for Facebook it's an extension for Facebook or sorry an extension for Firefox that that basically sterilizes Facebook in the browser so that they can't track where you're going online and on the subject of beings like spied on by the Chinese government have any of you seen that - tech tips video where he like got that Chinese television and in order to use it yeah yeah well it was like it required him to share all the information that the television collects with the People's Republic of China TV unless he agreed to install Linux on the TV I think we're just gonna stupid yeah that's what I know you wrote you into it for the last few weeks all cell phone users are required to install a specific app it has three colors to indicate whether or not you are sick or not and you are not allowed to cancel your cell phone service for the past three months in despite of that in the last three months the Chinese cell phone projects have closed medium cell phone accounts so there's a talking about what is going on in despite they are not allowed to cancel I just appreciate how SoBou is able to always end our coffee break on such a high note we have so with that in mind thank you everybody for being here and I am posting updates throughout the weekend on Kickstarter can't 5.2 eat / kick keep in mind tomorrow is our move [Music] so we're working on we're working on the schedule because we have to keep our social distancing rules and they're not going to Center them phrase some reviewed to move here we are spacing it out and we've got it set up so that there's no more than five people that are going to be on site at a time so we're doing our decibel yeah so we're doing our part to try to protect others and and protect ourselves and do what we can so but the move will happen we've got a call from the truck company they've got truck for me and they're waiting for me tomorrow morning at 8 o'clock and our alarm installer is going to be at the new studio at 7:00 to start wiring in the alarm system so I think everything's gonna go real well done thanks guys we'll have a wonderful afternoon I'll be in touch over the weekend and of course you'll be in discord as well so I'm off to see the contractor yep all right good luck