welcome to category five coffee break uh to my oh i got it wrong again there it is to my left is whatever it is is doug give us a wave doug thank you sir follow him we've got sobu give us a wave sober thank you very much and then i'm bp nine greetings everybody um so yeah i've had some fun and games as you saw from last week my uh my audio and video completely messed up on my on my old samsung phone i should have shouldn't have mentioned the brand i suppose but it doesn't matter it is an old phone i've had it for years and years and years and as i usually do i keep my stuff until the wheels fall off i keep running it till the wheels fall off uh oh your green background is bleeding through there so boom yeah i'm trying to fix that not working so well yeah i need to mess with my background i want that bird that marshman's got going on but trying a vain you know without without fail to try to get across the screen over there i want i want to see that but anyway so i'm on a computer now so i'm i'm trying out the computer to see what see what happens there um and it seems like the video and the audio sounds okay just verifying it sounds awesome you guys yep sounds great to me no no echo but i'm hoping it's a local problem i'm hoping it doesn't come through on the recording we'll see what happens um so i've got a new phone coming as well um it's supposed to be there by now so i'll probably go up to the post office this afternoon and see if i can go get it so otherwise that's been that's my news so i'll be you're to hate this because the the laptops running windows i know i'm not i know you don't like windows i am not quite so rabid about about when i'm not running windows there is one problem with this laptop i tried to transplant my two and a half inch hard drive it's a ssd but it's a it's a sata drive tried to transplant it from from my other laptop into this one the bios does not recognize it i don't know why it's a it's a known good drive it works just fine but the but the bios doesn't recognize it so i don't i don't know what's going on with that we'll have to um we'll have to figure that out and see what's uh see what's going on um yeah so i've got all kinds of new tech um going through i'd like to get the the hard drive work you know the sata drive working on this and if i if i can't get it to work i guess i'll have to you know call the manufacturer and tell them hey how do i fix this so you have any do you two have any suggestions about uh making the bios recognize the um that's right try updating your bios i did not it's a fairly new machine um i don't know i think the bios is up to date but you're right i could certainly try that um once you get in the box you could also check that the uh on additional drive is not deactivated in in the borrowers because it was maybe never meant to have another hard drive there's a slot for it there's a there's a setting for it it's supposed to detect it automatically as soon as it goes in um but it just is not it's just not detecting that um that drive and i don't know why i don't care if it won't boot from it well i do care obviously i wanted to boot but i don't expect windows to recognize the drive at all um even if the but i i need for the bios to see it so that at least it will have the opportunity to boot now it does have a little m2 ssd inside it right now you know the little card type drive and it recognized that it knows it's there obviously because that's how that's how it came delivered um i'm almost wondering excuse me i'm almost wondering if i pull it out if i pull that m2 drive out whether that will um uh work any any better if it'll force it to go look at the um i think i've had this uh problem uh 15 years ago on our system uh back in the day when um five or six gigabytes uh hard drive was still uh no big deal okay yeah it was common back then we were fitting a friend of mine i think it was fitting system was back at my place and we were trying to install a second hard drive the system wouldn't see it so um we deactivated it in bios and then booted up just to see what would happen uh it was a linux was installed on that and on that drive even even if the drive was deactivated in bios linux could still see it and could use it i think that drive was 115 gigabytes so the m2 has windows 10 um home on it which is what i'm using now sorry zombie and i have to give you a hard time because marshman did too so what you can try is if you have a linux mint uh a live cd or a can see both drives well for that the only way that would work would be if i could plug the the um uh the cd player into the usb port then it would have to boot off the usb port right or you could have a a usb flash drive and just boot from the flash drive well either way though it has to boot off usb whether it boots off the actual thing yeah and uh in most systems there is um you might have to activate something in in the bios but uh if there is a most biosystem you can configure it used to be at the standard that when you build it up there was a a few applause between two and five seconds which told you you press this to go to bios and press dash to go and one of the keys i think if 12 on many systems um it will give you a brute menu over what device to boot from and usb is one of those but the usb flash drives they are you have to select a hard drive because they are recognized yeah yeah yeah yeah i'll try the only obstacle at that point could be that if there's a cubit is activated then it might not i've already disabled secure in the bios so yeah there's also a there's also in the bios there's also some kind of um some kind of a system monitoring or system location setting in the bios i shut that down real quick as well i remember when security had been around for two years i think um stallman had he had a talk um and then in the queue in the question session and afterwards um someone asked him about his opinion on on the secure bridge and he thought it was a dangerous idea it could be uh used in eternity it wasn't uh as dangerous um it wasn't used for lockdown uh or other uh overseas but um one of the uh other um questions behind him and he he him again they said that he quite fancy the idea of having a system where he could actively actively deny a microsoft system from booting up works both ways though doesn't it right so yeah nice yeah yeah as i say i am not raved a bit i'm not so rabid about whether whether i can run windows on the machine or not don't like windows but if i have programs that need windows to run because there's no linux equivalent i don't have a lot of choice um i did the same thing with my um with my aviation software there is a package called forflight and that only runs on ipad so i don't have a lot of choice my only option then is to uh is to to run an ipad so that's that is what it is so so mr doug what sort of trouble have you been getting i mean what else have you been up to well the uh saga of my rp uh raspberry pi continues okay um robbie suggested trying to change the date on it force it to have a new date and i tried to log in i wasn't sure that would work but how did how did it go well i tried to log into ubuntu and it didn't recognize my login although i had been in it before successfully suddenly it doesn't recognize my login so i think the uh sd card got corrupted oh no so now i got to get a new sd card i tried uh reflashing it windows didn't recognize it after i reflashed it so i think i the sd card got corrupted or the flash um did you try this did you try fisk on the uh on the sd card to see if you could um yeah whatever think about that that's the partitions and stuff i think about fdisk in terms of hard drives not not uh portable media uh well they're still as as silver's already mentioned they're still drives yeah yeah they're still looked at as drives i don't think they look at i don't think they emulate a floppy disk i think they're more likely to emulate a hard disk so but i think in any case i think they would have they will always show up in lsblq and command i already threw out the list block i already threw out the sd card so oh i don't know in that case yeah i'll just buy a new one well i hope you destroyed it physically destroyed it you didn't just throw it in the garbage did you well there's nothing on it other than an unreadable os i don't know you'd be surprised at what hackers can can can retrieve well i had but there's nothing personal i reformatted it a couple of times before i tried reflashing the uh okay os so i don't think there's anything readable on there okay all right good the other thing you could have tried as well there's a utility that lets you physically check the size of the drive by writing to it until it gets to the end of the drive i forget the name of it and i think it's a linux utility now that that will test the size of the drive to see if it really truly is check one of robbie's old um uh cat5 tv episodes because he talks about those um and amazon you know a um an sd card that you got from amazon that says it's 16 gig or something but it turns out only to before giggle so when you actually test it um ebay is good for that too they're right oh there's those fake sd cards no this i bought this from walmart it said it was a 32 gig drive and um when i tried to format it it recognized it as 29 point something gigabytes so that's about right because you always lose some space in formatting right because it has a little bit of an os of its own there's some well but yeah it's just the amount of space used by the formatting procedure right yeah remember floppies were still uh uh widely used um i was always intrigued by um the fact that you mean you mean yeah i don't know what that is it's a 3d printed save icon is what that is yes i remember that the labels on those used to say there you go now that's old technology right there it sure is yeah um on the old all the floppy drive floppy disks 30 years ago um yeah on the uh the ones that you have and then the the capacity was listed that's two megabytes oh wow is that a zip disc no this is a trevan eight gigabyte um tape oh okay i i haven't used these in ages the only tape drive i ever had was a tape recorder that i had connected up to my uh atari 8-bit computer one time for a while until i got a district yeah right so and then [Laughter] until most people they didn't know what they were um the labels on the 30 years ago at least the label on them said two megabytes and it also said that the formatted capacity was 1.4 yeah 1.4 yeah wow that is a lot of space used yeah one mating process and i remember five or ten years after that i noticed that then they stopped listing the actual capacity i mean just a formatted capacity i can remember when the uh floppy drive that three and a half inch floppy drive was 1.4 gigabyte that's true wait gigabyte no megabyte was it megabyte yeah yeah but it was a while ago yeah well these are these are 1.4 i think or maybe window side has 1.4 anyways yeah it says it's let me see if i can do this without messing up the there it is formatted for one point yeah there you go one point four four megabytes yep yep yep yep i used to have some of those i still have it actually yeah oh yeah yeah i got nothing right don't have a drive that will read them exactly yeah exactly i i noticed that i've forgotten a part of the label uh i think in today's young people will uh look at the flop with house and think that then what is this air playstation uh too comfortable something to put their coffee cup on you know yeah and most people young people today will playstation 2 yeah that's a good point yeah that's a good point those were the days so inside this laptop is a space for a for a um a 2.5 inch spinning drive or ssd complete with the sata connector that goes with it and then there's a little ribbon cabin the cable that just runs straight to the motherboard well surprisingly looking inside this thing it's not much different to the pine book pro i'm here to tell you it it has a binky little main board there you go pinky little main board but mostly air in inside this thing um there's a big little main board and some sub boards and just ribbon cables that connect them all together so it's very surprising how how small the technology has gotten these days but it still won't recognize my um my my setter drive so i gotta i gotta figure something out with that well another thing that you can try that i just uh thought of you know that you mentioned you have another oh i'm open to all kinds whatever ideas you've got i'm open take the existing uh drive and uh plug it into the order just to see if that works on that connection provided it is the same same type of drive so the existing drive is a um is an m2 card ah not a sata drive there's only room for one starter driving here um if i take that if i take the ssd and plug it into an adapter that's a sat adapter on one end and a usb plug on the other end i can plug it into this it'll spin it right up no problem at all so windows and this pc will recognize this laptop will recognize the um the the the sata drive it it works the sata drive works it just won't work through that cable to the main board and i don't know if the cable's bad or or what the deal is is the cable part of the computer or can you replace it i can replace it i'd have to buy another one from from the manufacturer yeah i definitely try replacing that cable yeah yeah yeah well it came with the machine it was already there it was all ready to plug in so yeah so i agree with you that would be the first step would be to try replacing that that cable and see what happens that's what i would do and if that doesn't work send it back and say all right fix it what brand is the computer it's it's a bill okay well they're usually pretty good i i suspected so as well i've had good luck with dell that's the first time i've had a problem with it and all i can think of is that there's some misconfiguration um but one of the things i do want to try is to probably take out the coin battery to reset the bios completely to fresh to a fresh bios yeah um then take out the m2 uh the little card yeah and then put that and then put the sata inside yeah make that the only os right right make it the only drive that it can boot from see if it recognizes that yeah and dell is usually easy to work on too yeah they are that's why some of the easiest computers i've worked on yeah yeah yep yep as i say i've had good luck with them so um so it was rather disappointing to to not be able to boot linux on it so right we'll see what happens we'll see what happens sober what have you been up to oh firstly doug did you ever resolve your your raspberry pi issues because we started talking about something else no um i i threw out the sd card i got to buy a new sd card okay re-flash it and try again yeah wow you are just having all kinds of issues with that aren't you yes i'm sorry i'm sorry when i get my stimulus maybe i'll go buy an odroid or something there you go if that works better yeah that'll work certainly couldn't work any worse we should have a minute of silence in a memory over his old drive yeah no yeah all right so what sort of trouble have you been getting up to in the in in nelix's kitchen over there uh he had given me some delicious dinner spaghetti and um yeah so um today i have been yeah my friend has this a big server um on our shared server and he have uh we have a few vms on one of them he has on a next cloud instance we upgraded the um yeah reinstalled the front sketch and he um he wanted to have a new kind of setup now that he know how it works and what he wants so uh we have been not updating to this to the uh newest uh next cloud version so this is next cloud running on your local machine running on a local machine on a server on a computer in the data center very the the the next cloud runs in a virtual server on our server okay okay but it's it's it's your hardware yeah okay well that's better than using someone else's computer anyway i guess that was the point i was trying to make i wanted to make sure it was it was not someone else's computer that you were actually dealing with it used to be uh his computer but we shared on the monthly bill and now we uh five years ago we uh upgraded to uh a faster server and and now uh we only uh the half each and i believe and i pay all the bills so oh okay wow getting up in the world yeah there you go there you go so it's in a data center so you have easy access to to the internet is that why or is it just it's managed better than you could at that at the house i guess yeah he's my teachers and my friend here in back in 2004 and five uh we used to have a shell accounts on on other server providers where we we had we used to run irc clients in order to be um and i i run a couple of the egg drops and so on wait for that and then one of the one of the cool things about these kinds of survey was that they had their um one of them i think had a hundred ip addresses that we could select from wow yeah and they had their host names and ptr yeah so his dream was to have um to start some type of server along those lines and have ip addresses where um without an obscene names were they english curse words or were they swedish first words or no norwegian no combination oh nice one of the most used domains it was on norwegian but um it translates lucy to um yeah the sex school so and with all kinds of serve domains on there yeah so he didn't he didn't want to use that for too long so i've been looking a little bit into um uh into running my own mail server um and it's it's it's complicated a lot to it this is not something you want to do lightly this is something that you you should uh think carefully through before you actually do it you have to look at it yes you do how how long did it take you to um uh to get yours set up oh about a year wow from the time you decided to do it to the time it started working properly from there it took a year for me to learn how how it worked and when i knew how it worked then i moved it uh in a in-house and what term okay and why i started with a mail server called uh send mail which was um but i knew that it was uh only level but i only used it to uh send mail and out um i guess yeah using like post fix right yeah okay after three months i um switched to postfix when i knew uh that there was a no there are a lot of there are a lot of moving parts to it that's the thing that that sort of surprises me there's there's like three or four if not more separate services that actually run to move pieces of mail from one place to another but even so that doesn't get you a pop server for you to retrieve your mail back to your thunderbird or whatever it is that you're using for your mail client yeah for that you have to have a uh the one i use is something called dovecot yeah i think i saw that in the in the repositories in the in the linux repositories that i was using and i wondered if that was the appropriate one to use okay yeah a hard thing about uh hosting and hurting to get right when you're doing this um at home or at your own system is you get the certificates right because you have to have a public uh valid uh certificate okay after let's encrypt came um a year after they came we installed that on our server so we had had that for uh four years now uh but um um and that's uh let's a group that takes care of installing in the web server software and i've uh found out a way to uh configure that uh uh any time that a certificate is updated then this is part of the let's encrypt right then i i configured another a shell script to copy it uh to restart uh three services okay yeah sounds like i need to pick your brain some more maybe we'll do that next week and uh at the next coffee break um we are running out of time oh i cannot believe how quickly time flies when we do the coffee break seems to happen quickly it sure does it sure does for some reason i always picture and peter in my head with the head in the end but i gave him plenty of warning i put it up there i said hour and a half away you know got another yeah but if he is used to uh only looking in there maybe uh yeah maybe he'll come maybe he'll come by in about half an hour or so my point was that every time that we are in the end and you said yeah that we have to hurry up um i have had this uh voice in my head that peter at one po at one instance he said it's always one minute so if you see this peter where we missed you today yeah sorry peter okay doug any last comments before we close this down no i'll let you guys know about uh ubuntu next week please do i hope you have better luck with the new sd card then than your one than the one you threw out so do i yeah yeah good luck with that thank you all right thank you everyone much appreciated enjoyed it as always and as you say it goes it goes quick so have a good afternoon take care everybody