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This is a Dynamike Network podcast.

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Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review
superhero films and debate the superiority

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between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters
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DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe.
And in this episode, we are reviewing the Disney

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Plus Marvel series, Secret Invasion. Not a bad
series. I see a lot of hate for it online.

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I feel like I liked it more than most people.
I feel like I liked it less than you, which

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is strange because I'm the Marvel guy, you're
the DC guy. I don't know where the disconnect

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is, but we'll talk about it later on this episode.
Right. Before then, we're going to break down

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the comic book movie news from the past week,
which there isn't much news with ongoing writers

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and actor strikes. We did learn that Sony has
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and they have given Venom 3 a release date.
So we're going to talk about that. As always,

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Nacho Libre versus Jean-Claude Van Damme's Frank
Dukes from Bloodsport. We totally got that

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wrong in our last episode. We said that was
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episode was Spartacus versus Zorro, which was
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Senjow is the Japanese word for battlefield,
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or visit dynamicpodcasts.com. to see all the
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the way, quick to the no prize. A no prize is
an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our

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version, the dynamic dual no prize, is a digital
award we post on Instagram and in our email

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newsletter for the person that we feel gave
the best answer to our question of the week.

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Last week we asked what DC Comics storyline
that hasn't been adapted to an animated film

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would you like to see adapted and why? This
of course was coming off the news that Watchmen

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and Crisis on Infinite Earths were announced
as animated movies for 2024 next year at Comic

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Con. We got so many answers. We got too many
fucking answers. We got way too many answers.

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All you DC guys came out in droves to give your
opinion. It was too many. It was impossible

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to pick. They were all great answers, but I
guess ultimately we just had to pick the ones

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I think we prioritize if we were in charge,
I guess. But any of the answers we got could

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work as an animated film. Let's break down this
week's honorable mentions before revealing

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the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention
goes to CJ Kraft, who said, Hey guys, CJ Kraft

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here. Been loving the latest dual matchups,
some of the best episodes yet. Actually after

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listening to the latest episode, I think I'd
want to see an animated film of the Monkey

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Prince. His powers would lend really well to
animation, and if they did something like Batman

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Ninja, the art itself could be spectacular.
Have a good one guys, and keep up the great

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work. Hey, thanks, CJ. I loved Batman Ninja.
We reviewed it on this podcast. I thought the

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animation was really cool. And after reading
a lot about the monkey prince, you know, for

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our last episode, I'm absolutely convinced that
this character would make for a great animated

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feature. I think it makes more sense, like stylistically,
because the monkey prince looks cool as a character

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and I think would adapt very well to a medium
with more visual movement. But I would say

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I wasn't too impressed with his origin story.
I think they would have to kind of tweak it

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to make it more compelling for an animated film.
I think he has a great origin story. What are

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you talking about? I mean, it was OK. I just
think it tied too much into his parents who

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are like super villain henchmen. I think you
could kind of like tone down that a little

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bit and then go more into his relationship with
the mythical Monkey King. I can see that. Yeah,

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that'd be cool. I do want to see the ultra human
eye as the villain, though, because I think

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Monkey versus girl is just. The way to go. Just
yeah. Totally. Great answer CJ. Our next honorable

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mention goes to... Miggy Mattingian who said...
Hey what's up guys it's Miggy and I would love

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to see a Superman Smash the Clan animated movie.
I think it would be dope to see a Superman

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period piece kind of like Gotham by Gaslight.
And some like DC animated movies mimic the

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art style of the source material like All-Star
Superman or Superman Batman Apocalypse. And

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I think it would be dope to do that here. And
now it's the perfect time with the popularity

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of the My Adventures with Superman animated
series. Yeah, so I haven't read the graphic

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novel, but I do know that it's inspired by the
Superman radio show that actually helped combat

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the Klan's activities. That's a really cool
aspect of the character of Superman, and I

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would love for them to explore that in an animated
film. That would be really cool. The art style

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on that comic book series looks really interesting
too. As Miggy said, if they choose to adapt

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that art style to the animated film as well,
I think it could add additional appeal. I also

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like the idea of a time period piece for Superman.
Miggy's right, we've had several period pieces

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for Batman, but not for Superman, and I think
the character works very well in earlier time

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periods as well. Great answer, Miggy. Our final
honorable mention goes to Michael Harald, who

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said, Hey guys. So I think the obvious answer
is going to be Black is Knight. That would

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be just... in every way and they couldn't just
do one movie for that either. They had to break

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it into multiple different ones. Like three
maybe a trilogy that'd be pretty freaking cool.

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Yeah, Matt Lamb also gave this answer. I think
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of all time. Just having all of its dead characters
come back as these evil zombies for the characters

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to fight not only brought this like horror angle
to DC Comics but also like this tragic kind

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of personal stakes for the characters and that
they had to fight these people who they loved.

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Yeah, also, I think Green Lantern has a shocking
lack of animated projects under his belt, considering

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how cinematic his power set is. I think it would
be really great to get another Green Lantern

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animated film out there beyond First Flight
and Emerald Nights. And Blackest Night is largely

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regarded as one of Green Lantern's better stories.
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lead up to it with the Sinestro Corps War and
then do Blackest Night. Obviously, the film

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would be centered around the Green Lanterns,
but I would also love to see them incorporate

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the entire pantheon of DC Superman, Batman,
all of the characters. Matt Lamb suggested

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also incorporating Brightest Day into like a
two-part film series, but I could see Sinestro

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Corps War, then Blackest Night and Brightest
Day as like a trilogy. That'd be cool. We want

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to give a quick shout out to everyone who took
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answer, including Brandon Estergard, Colby Henches,
Dustin Belcombe, John Storosky, Scott Camacho,

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and The Unworthy Collector, who you could find
on Instagram. But the winner of this week's

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No Prize goes to three different people who
gave the same answer. Ed Jones, Christopher

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Menotti, and Noah Terry. Let's hear from Ed
Jones. What's up guys, it's Air Jones. I think

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one of the storylines that should be adapted
to Heaven Minion is Kingdom Come. It's probably

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one of my favorite storylines in the DC universe.
It has the best of what DC has to offer. Present

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heroes, past heroes, and future possible heroes.
Great fight scenes, a great story, and it is

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the comic book that got me to love comic books.
So if it has to be one, it should definitely

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be that. All right, thanks guys. Peace. Yeah,
Kingdom Come is my absolute favorite DC storyline

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ever, which is surprising because it was also,
I think, the very first graphic novel from

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DC that I had ever read. Similar to Ed Jones.
It's a fantastic story. I get more out of it

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every time I read it. I would love it if one
day they adapted it until live action, but

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in the meantime, I would happily accept an animated
version of the movie. I'm actually having trouble.

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grasping how they have not yet adapted Kingdom
Come into an animated film considering all

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the different stories that DC has done. It's
the perfect Elseworlds story, and you know

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James Gunn mentioned that they would be making
Elseworlds movies in his new DCU So I'm really

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hoping that this is one of them. He did post
a picture of the Kingdom Come like special

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edition cover to his Twitter So I imagine he's
a fan and that gets me excited. It would be

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cool to see an animated Kingdom Come film done
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Yeah, yeah, that'd be really cool. Holy cow,
that'd be amazing. A painterly style would

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be perfection because the story itself is a
masterpiece. So congrats to Ed Jones, Christopher

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Manotti, and Noah Terry, you all win this week's
No Prize. If you, the listener, want a shot

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at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to
later on this episode when we'll be asking

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another Question of the Week. And now that that's
done, on to the news.

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Alright this past week we learned from Sony
Pictures that the Craven the Hunter movie has

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moved from October 6th of this year to August
30th, 2024, almost a year back, largely due

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to the ongoing actors and writers strikes. As
we all know, the current actor strikes prevent

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actors from promoting current or upcoming projects,
and so the speculation is that Sony moved the

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Craven the Hunter movie in order to make sure
that Aaron Taylor Johnson was available. to

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do a worldwide press tour on the movie. My guess
is that they actually have little faith in

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the movie existing on its own without being
promoted by its lead star. Right, yeah, and

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maybe if they feel like they need to tweak the
film after doing certain test screenings, this

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will give them opportunity to do so. Well, judging
off of the first teaser trailer that came out

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for Cave in the Hunter, I would hope to God
they do a lot of tweaking because it does not

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look that great. Besides looking like the greatest
film ever right next to Morpheus. But we also

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received news that Spider-Man Beyond the Spider-Verse
has lost. It's an upcoming release date, which

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was supposed to be March 29th of next year.
And there was no way it was ever going to hit

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that date anyway. So a delay was inevitable.
Yeah, the animators were saying that they haven't

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even begun work on the film. And, you know,
the across the Spider-Verse movie had to be

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delayed due to all the animation work they had
to do. I was really surprised to hear that

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the movie has been delayed indefinitely, though.
I'm sure they'll get a release date if they

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improve their relationship with animation studios,
who are apparently contentious with the studio

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right now, considering their strict deadlines
that they gave them. But also they can't get

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any voice performances done until the Actors
Union gets back to work. Right. Have you seen

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Across the Spider-Verse yet? No, but I should
soon. I think the movie comes out on digital

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in a few weeks here. I mean, so you probably
know that the film ends on a cliffhanger, like,

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with no resolution? I don't want to know shit!
Shut the fuck up! I'm just saying like... I

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shut your mouth. If they don't make Beyond the
Spider-Verse, that's gonna really suck. I don't

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know. All right. I don't want to know anything.
Nobody talk to me. I will see the movie in

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a few weeks and I'm actually looking forward
to listening to your review that you did on

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it. UN Spees. For those who don't know my daughter
was born right around the release of Across

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the Spider-Verse. So I was not able to go see
it in theaters. But also in Sony Spidey news,

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we got a release date for Venom 3, which is
going to come out on July 12th, 2024. And I

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know that they've started filming already, so
I guess they had to stop production. Yeah,

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they had some set photos from the sets for Venom
3. We know that the last film Venom Let There

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Be Carnage ended with Venom in Mexico kind of
taking a vacation. And it looks like he will

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continue his adventures down there for at least
part of this film. But yeah, all the news this

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past week was in regards to Sony's Spider-Man
universe, which brings us to our question of

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Who's your favorite Spider-Man or woman across
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That does it for all the news for this episode,
so let's go ahead and move on to the main event

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where we review Disney Plus' latest Marvel Studios
series, Secret Invasion.

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Alright, Secret Invasion is the latest Marvel
Studio series on Disney+, showrun by Kyle Bradstreet,

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directed by Ali Saleem, and starring Samuel
L. Jackson. The show is about the Skrull alien

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invasion of Earth. Skrulls being shapeshifting
beings that can take the form of anyone. We

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first saw them in the MCU in the Captain Marvel
film, which was kind of a prerequisite for

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this series. Secret Invasion has quite a few
surprises throughout, so right up top, here's

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your We'll be revealing all the show surprises.
So if you haven't watched Secret Invasion yet,

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be sure to turn off the podcast, go watch it,
then come back and listen to our review. Because

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I think ultimately it's worth seeing, especially
if you're a Marvel fan. I definitely think

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it's the most interesting thing that Marvel
has put out in a while, at least on Disney

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Plus. And at least with something that has connective
tissue to the larger MCU. Yeah, it was pretty

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interesting and I remember being super excited
for Secret Invasion before it came out because

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I thought the comic book series was pretty fun.
You know, trying to guess which of Earth's

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heroes were going to turn out to be a Skrull,
how long they had been taken over and stuff

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like that. I really enjoy paranoid thrillers
that deal with not knowing who to trust. Like

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those types of thrillers take a special sort
of like writing prowess, I think, to steer

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audiences in different directions. constantly
making people second-guess things and question

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their previous assumptions. Especially since,
usually, audiences are primed not to trust

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anything when it comes to this sort of genre.
So, like, when it's done well, it's like a

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work of art. Films like John Carpenter's The
Thing come to mind, and I thought the marketing

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did a great job of getting me to expect something
like that. Which is kind of a shame because

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the show ended up going in a different direction.
Like, there were surprises to be had for sure.

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And in fact, there were moments almost every
episode where I was like, oh damn! But like,

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surprises I don't think are the same thing as
twists. Surprises I define as unexpected events

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in the course of a story. Twists are unexpected
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The latter of which I think are sorely lacking
in the story, whose source material is rife

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with twists. It's a shame because Marvel television
has done this sort of story before. And it

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was fucking incredible. On the Agents of SHIELD
television show, and those who watched it will

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know, in the middle of season four, there was
an arc about a rogue AI who had replaced several

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members of the team with life model decoys,
which are androids meant to serve as copies

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of people. Like Nick Fury uses them a lot in
the comics. But anyway, in Agents of SHIELD,

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there was an episode called Self Control where
two scientist characters, Fitz and Simmons,

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who love each other, they learn that some members
of the team are secretly LMDs, but they don't

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know what to do. and it really toyed with your
emotions, making you go back and forth on these

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characters. It was flawless. And that whole
episode was great, probably actually the best

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single episode of the entire Agents of the Shield
series. And I feel like that should have been

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the template for what this Secret Invasion show
should have been like. Okay, yeah, I get how,

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you know, you would want this to be like that.
I think on its own, just judging it though,

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it was good. It was solid. I was surprised at
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of all the vitriol I see online regarding the
show. And a lot of it honestly has to do with

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comparisons to the comic and how little of the
MCU universe it was able to utilize. Right.

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There was no cameos really in this outside of
Rhodey. Yeah, I would totally agree with that

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criticism and I'll touch on that. My main problem
with Secret Invasion is that we were constantly

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given the villains perspective, like. We knew
Gravik's plans, we knew almost every facet

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of what he was trying to do and how he was trying
to do it. There was no mystery there, and because

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there was no mystery, there was no paranoia
and very few twists. That's a fantastic point

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that I didn't even think about actually. And
yeah, that's totally true. It's like what if

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in the X-Files, like you knew what the Cigarette
Man was all about and like what his plans were.

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It would just completely strip the show of all
of its mystery. For sure, for sure. I think

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the show should have focused more on Fury as
he's uncovering everything and should have

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totally kept the whole Skrull thing as a mystery.
And maybe it was just false expectations on

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my part, but I think the marketing really steered
me toward expecting a paranoid thriller. So

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the show never really ended up being what I
thought it should have been. Despite that,

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I will commend Secret Invasion for its tone
and performances. which both really elevated

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the feel of everything, I think similar to Captain
America the Winter Soldier, which was comparatively

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much more mature than other Marvel Studios fare.
Like looking at this series next to something

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like Amon and the Wasp quantumania, it's like
watching the evening news compared to Saturday

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morning cartoon. And while both are good, I
find myself more intrigued by the more mature

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stuff personally. This was definitely more mature
than anything Marvel has done in a while. Definitely

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more violent, surprisingly so for a Disney plus
show. Absolutely. I'm thinking to like when

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that guy got his finger cut off. Yeah. During
the torture scene, that was intense. I mean,

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he ended up being an alien, so it was like purple
blood. But still, for sure. Or when like you

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see Gravit getting shot in the face, even though
he heals with the extremist powers, it was

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still pretty crazy. There were definitely a
lot of things to like within this series. But

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for every great performance or mature scene
or violent action that there was, I also feel

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like there was a larger plot hole within the
series. There were so many questions that are

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posed by the very conceit of this show as it's
presented here. So what I'd like to do is similar

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to what we did with Loki Season 1 where I had
a lot of questions. I'm going to run through

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all the plot holes I thought of while watching
the series and you and I will see if we can

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fill in some of these gaps ourselves. Sure.
Alright. Plot hole question number one. I understand

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why Fury wouldn't want to get the Avengers involved
because it could possibly reveal the existence

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of the Harvest sample, and exposing the Skrulls
to the world at large puts both the Skrulls

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and humanity at risk. But why wouldn't Fury
just reveal the Skrull invasion to the World

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Security Council? Because even if a few of their
members were Skrulls, that would at least be

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a covert way to draw suspicion among them to
any sort of global manipulation Gravik's army

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would try to achieve. Like he could have said
something along the lines of, scrolls are a

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mongus, hold off any World War III shit at least
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That's not a plot hole. He figured he could
avert the global catastrophe on his own without

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needing help from anyone because he's motherfucking
Nick Fury. Well, that's just foolish. I think

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the Secret Invasion series needed like more
superheroes in it. Having more powerful beings

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as scroll wild cards makes it more risky to
do anything and it would handcuff Fury's actions

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more. And I mean, like you had the Super Scroll
element here, sure. But because Fury held all

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the cards there with the harvest sample, he
definitely had more options with what he could

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do here than if he was dealing with like Scroll
Iron Man or Scroll Scarlet Witch. You know,

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I think he should have done some sort of revelation
to a select number of people that could actually

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prevent World War Three from happening if it
came down to that. Well, I mean, I don't think

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you necessarily needed super powered characters.
I think the scrolls could have easily, you

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know, hijacked one of Tony Stark's old Iron
Man suits. There are definitely heroes without

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superpowers tied to their DNA that could have
been involved here, like Falcon, Winter Soldier,

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the whole cast of characters from the Thunderbolts
pretty much. Yeah, I mean, that's actually

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true. It's easier for Skrulls to replicate those
sort of abilities than it is to replicate the

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ones that they needed the Harvest DNA for. Speaking
of those type of heroes, that brings me to

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my next plothole question. Why wouldn't Skrull
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He and the other Skrulls spent so long trying
to manipulate the world into chaos when they

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could have just been more selective in whose
identities they assumed and then just took

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over. Like if I were Skrull Rodie, I would have
put President Ritzen into a permanent nap time

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with a hospital pillow and then just assumed
his form and ordered the nuclear attack. Like

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it doesn't get more simple than that. The Skrulls
themselves seemed severely handicapped in their

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ability to shape shift and assume just anyone
at any time. Right, they needed to get people

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whose memories they were able to capture. And
I think that's largely the main reason why

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they didn't assume President Ritzen's form because
they didn't have access to his knowledge and

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maybe they felt like they needed it. Okay, so
I put him in a temporary coma, put him in a

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closet, order the strike, then take him out
of the closet. I mean, it's simple stuff here.

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That's fair. That brings me to pahol question
number three. Aliens already live on Earth

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in the MCU. They have a whole ass settlement
called New Asgard, which seems to be widely

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accepted by Earthlings. So why do Fury and Talos
believe that humans will not accept the Skrulls?

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Because Thor, Love and Thunder is stupid. I
actually like what Secret Invasion does here.

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I'd rather erase the other bad Thor stuff and
leave Secret Invasion the way it is. Okay,

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well then that being said, you know, there's
only a million alleged Skrulls on Earth. That's

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only like a city's worth. And there's so much
unoccupied land throughout the globe. The scroll

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should have been simple to accommodate, right?
Like why can't the UN establish a scroll city

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on Antarctica? Like, if you even said the scrolls
like the cold, right? And that's a whole ass

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continent to themselves to live on in their
own skin. They could even keep the city secret

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if they wanted. Cause like, ain't nobody going
down there. Like fucking call them Santa's

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green elves or some shit. I don't care. I feel
like the show made this problem much more complicated

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than it needed to be. I think just by him saying
that they like the cold makes this a plot hole.

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Because you're right, they could have gone to
Antarctica. He should have said they hate the

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cold. There you go. Exactly. And maybe that's
why they hated being in Russia. Maybe. But

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that just made me think of something like, why
didn't the Skrulls just make their own home

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in Russia? I guess they kind of did, you could
argue with their settlement. But if they're

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so concerned about having a home of their own
skin, that's literally it. They knew humans

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weren't around. Yeah, all they needed to do
was establish their perimeter. It would have

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been undetectable to most humans, and it largely
was throughout the course of the show. Like

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Russia, I don't think knew what was going on
there. So weird. But that brings me to plot

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hole question number four. The Guardians of
the Galaxy and Thor films have shown that it's

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a large universe out there with plenty of inhabitable
planets. How is it possible that Captain Marvel

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and Nick Fury cannot find even one to establish
as new Skrullos? I don't fucking know. Like

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they didn't show that. But also, like, why was
it up to just those two? Like the Avengers

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have their own ships, their Quinjets that can
go off world as we saw happen to Hulk in Thor

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Ragnarok. You know, at the very least, Saber
could make the scrolls some ships and the scrolls

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even had their own starship at the end of Captain
Marvel. So why couldn't the scrolls use that

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to find their own planet? They tried. All of
Asgard was living on one spaceship at the end

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of Ragnarok. I'm sure the scrolls can do that,
too. Better yet, fucking Gaia has literally

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all the powers now. Why can't she fly her ass
into space to find a new world? She probably

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couldn't, she probably will. They didn't address
that here though. Your mom didn't address that

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here though. I wanna know why they couldn't
find a new planet. It doesn't make sense. But

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how many habitable planets are there that are
like Earth? So many as we've seen in Guardians

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of the Galaxy and Thor. Yeah, but they're all
taken too. Those can't be the only ones though.

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I understand that they couldn't find it, I just
think that's preposterous. Honestly, I don't

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like sounding like I'm nagging, but like it
doesn't take a brilliant mind to think of these

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things. And I wish the writers would have addressed
at least some of these plot holes to keep audiences

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from asking these nagging questions that rob
some of the enjoyment from the story. I feel

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personally, you know, every story is going to
have plot holes for the most part. Anyone could

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ask any question and just get offended that
they don't have an answer. Half of these questions

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didn't cross my mind as I was watching this.
I enjoyed it, but I guess I would. say that

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for a show of this type, that should be something
of a mystery, you want as little of those plothole

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questions as possible. Grievances aside, I do
think that one of the best things about the

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show is the performances and the caliber of
the cast involved. So let's go ahead and talk

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about the actors in our character breakdown.
Starting with Nick Fury. Motherfucking what?

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Nothing. I was gonna try and get that in before
he said Nick Fury. Starting with motherfucking

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Nick Fury played by Samuel L. Jackson and we
know the L stands for motherfucking Samuel

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L. Jackson I think really shined in parts in
this show and I adore the actor without a doubt

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He is a legend but I don't know if it's the
actor or the character He came across as really

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weary here Which was kind of hard to watch whether
it's seeing Fury past his prime or maybe Sam

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Jackson just aging I didn't mind that. I think
it made sense and I think that he came up with

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a lot of reasons for why that was the case.
You know, he was blipped and that really shook

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him as a character. I do appreciate the show
delving deeper into his past, you know, with

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his wife, who is a scroll and revealing that
he rose to prominence within Shield only by

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exploiting the scrolls. That was fascinating.
Yeah, it helped cement his deceitful nature,

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which. You know, you ultimately forgive because
you always know Fury's intentions are always

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about protecting the innocent. But that's the
thing I love most about the character, even

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from the comics. You know, Nick Fury has always
been the most unethical, yet paradoxically

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most moral man. You know, the man who always
does whatever it takes for the greater good,

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no matter how dishonest the action. Like personally,
I would never trust Nick Fury with anything

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except to get the job done. I loved the scenes
with Sam Jackson. especially when he was just

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like talking with other people. I could watch
Sam Jackson talk for hours, literally. I literally

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did, I guess. His delivery as an actor is second
to none. Oh yeah, absolutely. Going toe to

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toe with like Don Cheadle or the actress from
The Queen, I forget her name. Olivia Colman.

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Literally everyone on the show he had a conversation
with. Top notch work. In the season, Nick Fury's

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arc revolved around guilt. You know, he couldn't
find the scrolls of home. He put the world

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above his wife. He knows that the conflict and
Gravik's motivations are all his fault. I think

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the show did a good job of showing that his
actions do weigh on him, despite the fact he

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would never apologize for them. I really got
the sense that, you know, his heart may be

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cold, but it still beats. And by the end, you
know, Gravik is stopped. And he goes back to

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remedying his other guilt, this time choosing
to involve his wife as he tries to get peace

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through other means. So Fury here was really
trying to work on alleviating his conscience

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from his past actions. Right. But that brings
us to the villain Gravik who is played by Kingsley

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Benadir. This is my first real exposure to the
actor. I think he did fine here portraying

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the arrogance of Gravik. It was easy to understand
his motivations as the character. However,

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it was all kind of fairly generic. Maybe it
was an issue of screen time, perhaps a lack

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of charisma. But outside of an early flashback
and Gravik's angry rant at Fury in the last

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episode, I feel like we barely got to know Gravik.
He was mostly just like a smiling face. who

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probably could have been played by anybody.
But that being said, I don't think he's the

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worst Disney plus MCU villain. I think that
honor still goes to She-Hulk or Flag Smasher

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from Falcon and the Winter Soldier. He was a
villain that definitely grew on me throughout

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the series. I didn't really care for him in
the earlier episodes, especially the way he

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always kept his mouth open. I was like, close
it, mouth breather. What? I didn't even notice

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that. Yeah, just the actor's performance. I
think he always had like a smirk on his face,

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so his mouth was always open. But later on,
I thought his plan was interesting, honestly.

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It really transitioned from being about finding
the Skrulls a new home to the more selfish

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ambition of gaining power for himself. And I
think the Skrulls recognized it and that's

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why they tried to form that mutiny. Yeah, that
was a crazy scene. Let's go ahead and move

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on to Talos, played by Ben Mendelsohn. I adore
Ben Mendelsohn. The more I see of him, the

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more of a fan I am. I think he's a fantastic
actor. I think he gave a really personable

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performance here. even though you kind of come
to realize how flawed and kind of lazy and

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meek his perspective is. You know, over the
years you see that he came to rely on Fury

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too much and saw that living on Earth and hiding
as being the best solution for his people,

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even though I think he should have realized
that eventually the Skrulls would want more

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for themselves. Despite his flaws, I was shocked
when he died and that hit me because I know

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that I'll miss Ben Mendelsohn in the MCU. Yeah,
he had a really interesting relationship with

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Nick Fury, and they had some great back-and-forth
scenes with each other. Ben Middleson's performance,

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he's just a phenomenal actor, and I agree, I
will also miss the character of Talos. I don't

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know if I would describe him as lazy. I think
he was optimistic. He's kind of like the Professor

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X to Gravix Magneto. He just foresaw a world
where one day, Skrulls and humans potentially

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could live together. I think he kind of gave
up hope that they would ever find a new world

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because he went out searching with Carol Danvers
and couldn't find anything, you know. That's

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true, that's a fantastic analogy. You're totally
right. I think you could also compare Talos

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to like Moses. And you know, he was just trying
to deliver his people to the promised land,

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but they were so impatient and inconsiderate
that they were never gonna get where they wanted

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to go. And I think he was kind of partly just
upset with his own people because of that.

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00:33:26,997 --> 00:33:30,761
You're just crushing it with the comparisons
today. Yeah, I'm pretty popular at parties.

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I can compare anything to anything. Let's go
ahead and move on to Gaia, who is played by

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Emilia Clarke. Emilia kind of gave somewhat
of a detached performance here, but I think

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had maybe to do with the character's misgivings
because she neither really identified with

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her father or Gravik. I'm really interested
in seeing where Gaia goes from here, especially

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as the most fucking overpowered being in the
entire universe now. For real, like I thought

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Carol Danvers was overpowered to the way she
just like tanked Thanos' punch. What the fuck

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would Gaia do? Like she could literally do anything
she wants now. Pretty much like she has Captain

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Marvel's powers, Thanos' thors. all the black
order is just nuts. Like you think she'd really

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be able to take some agency now with her desires
for her people and get them a new place to

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live. Like if she can't do it, literally no
one else can. Literally. I mean, she could

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rule the whole planet for all she wants right
now. Like what's stopping her? Absolutely nothing

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and nothing can. Well, probably the goodness
of her heart. But otherwise, yeah, I mean,

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it's hard to complain too much because I also
do think that storyline was brilliant with

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the DNA and the power absorption. since scrolls
by their nature, you know, have shape shifting

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DNA, it kind of makes sense that they would
be able to absorb other people's powers. And

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I thought that, you know, in lieu of the Fantastic
Four existing in this universe, that being

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able to take Korg's arm instead of the thing,
or like Groot's stretchy powers instead of

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Mr. Fantastic, or Carol Denver's like light
aura instead of human torch was pretty smart.

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It was really smart. I liked that. You know,
the first... Original Super Skrull in the comics

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was a villain for the Fantastic Four and his
name was Colert and we did a dual episode with

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him that you can check out where he fought against
Metamorpho. But the Skrulls gave him the powers

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of the Human Torch, Mr. Fantastic, Invisible
Woman, and The Thing. And in the show, the

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powers that Gravik was initially able to obtain
corresponded to the Human Torches with the

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Extremis abilities, Mr. Fantastic's with Groot's
powers, and The Things largely through Cull

401
00:35:37,521 --> 00:35:42,564
Obsidian's powers. They were missing the invisibility
aspect, but they kind of did get that later

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00:35:42,624 --> 00:35:48,047
through ghosts abilities, you know? And in the
comics, there have been other Super Scrolls

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that have had other combinations of Marvel hero
powers, especially used within the Secret Invasion

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00:35:54,210 --> 00:35:58,613
storyline. Like there was one that had Black
Panthers and Quicksilvers and Visions powers,

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00:35:58,653 --> 00:36:03,495
like that was one Super Scroll. There was another
one that had a bunch of X-Men powers like Colossus,

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00:36:03,836 --> 00:36:08,674
Nightcrawler, Cyclops and Wolverine. So the
fact that they kind of... took that concept

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and applied it here with all the Avengers and
stuff. I actually, I really liked that. And

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how they were portrayed visually, like that
kind of like patchwork sort of body style,

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00:36:17,476 --> 00:36:22,158
I just had a great time with. Yeah, that was
cool. Let's go ahead and move on to Reva, who

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00:36:22,218 --> 00:36:28,299
is a Skrull disguised as James Rhodes played
by Don Cheadle. I love Don Cheadle as Rhodey.

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00:36:28,839 --> 00:36:33,241
I thought he did a fantastic job of playing
the villain. You could definitely tell the

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00:36:33,261 --> 00:36:38,858
difference between Skrull Rhodey and regular
Although maybe you can't because what this

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show seems to insinuate is that Rhodey was switched
during the events of Captain America Civil

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00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:50,621
War when he was knocked out of the sky accidentally
by vision and taken to the hospital. Right.

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Because we see him being taken away without
being able to use his legs, wearing a hospital

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gown in episode six of the show, which is pretty
crazy. And that means that anytime we've seen

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him since then, it's been a scroll, including
Falcon in the Winter Soldier. Infinity War

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00:37:06,398 --> 00:37:11,523
and Endgame. Pretty crazy. I'm really excited
to see what happens to Rhodey's character in

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the upcoming Armor Wars movie and how he kind
of like redeems his whole situation. Let's

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00:37:16,487 --> 00:37:21,190
go ahead and move on to Sonya Falsworth who
was played by Olivia Colman. She stole every

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scene that she was in. She was a true standout
in the show. I loved every single second when

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00:37:26,094 --> 00:37:30,386
she was on the screen. It was just a lot of
fun. Is she a character from the comics? Like,

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00:37:30,506 --> 00:37:34,608
I wasn't quite sure why she was in the show.
I thought she was gonna be a Skrull in all

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00:37:34,648 --> 00:37:40,031
honesty. So did I, actually. She's not from
the comics, she's an original character. But

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her last name is Fallsworth, which is the same
last name as James Fallsworth, who's a British

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00:37:46,494 --> 00:37:51,657
hero named Union Jack in the comics. And actually,
that character was one of the Howling Commandos

427
00:37:51,937 --> 00:37:56,300
in the Captain America, the first adventure
movie. He was the British one. Huh, I wonder

428
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,474
if they'll go down that route where like her
son becomes Union Jack. Maybe I don't know.

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00:38:00,514 --> 00:38:06,376
My assumption is that Sonya Fallsworth is the
daughter of James Fallsworth, the Howling Commando.

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00:38:06,917 --> 00:38:12,359
Okay. Because in the comics, if I remember correctly,
he did have a daughter who was a superhero.

431
00:38:12,399 --> 00:38:18,301
Her name was Spitfire. And obviously here Sonya
Fallsworth is just a brilliant MI6 agent. But

432
00:38:18,722 --> 00:38:23,944
I think her character is kind of in homage to
that. She definitely was a Spitfire. Yeah,

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00:38:24,084 --> 00:38:29,294
for sure. Let's go to move on to the final character
I want to talk about. Vara, who's played by

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Charlene Woodard. I don't have much to say about
her other than I think she gave a superb performance.

435
00:38:35,036 --> 00:38:39,538
I did want to point out that she played Sam
Jackson's mom in Unbreakable and that really

436
00:38:39,558 --> 00:38:45,041
threw me off every time they had a scene together.
I also noticed that and I was like, what? It

437
00:38:45,061 --> 00:38:50,483
was a little awkward, I felt like. I still haven't
seen Glass yet, which is like the third movie

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00:38:50,683 --> 00:38:55,145
in that franchise because it goes Unbreakable,
then Split, then Glass. So I'm interested in

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00:38:55,205 --> 00:38:59,750
seeing how, you know, those actors. kind of
play off each other as mother and son again

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00:38:59,830 --> 00:39:03,435
in that movie. I don't know. I haven't seen
it either. That's the reason for me to not

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00:39:03,475 --> 00:39:04,116
want to see that.

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Let's go ahead and move into our episode highlights.
Episode 1 was called Resurrection. In Russia,

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CIA operative Evert K. Ross meets with paranoid
agent Prescott, who tells him that the shapeshifting

444
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:28,245
alien Skrulls have secretly begun infiltrating
Earth posing as humans. Killing Prescott in

445
00:39:28,285 --> 00:39:33,329
self-defense, Ross flees a pursuing Russian
agent and falls off a building and dies, which

446
00:39:33,369 --> 00:39:39,038
reveals him to be a Skrull. The pursuing Russian
is revealed to be Talos. a former leader of

447
00:39:39,078 --> 00:39:44,261
a group of Skrulls who first came to Earth decades
ago as refugees from the Kree-Skrull War. Nick

448
00:39:44,281 --> 00:39:48,803
Fury is summoned from the space station Sabre
to address the Skrull threat, learning from

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00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:54,407
Talos and S.H.I.E.L.D. agent Maria Hill that
a group of rebel Skrulls led by Gravik intend

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00:39:54,427 --> 00:39:59,529
to clandestinely start a nuclear war that will
annihilate human life on Earth, leaving it

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00:39:59,630 --> 00:40:05,853
as a new home for the radiation-resistant Skrulls.
Fury meets with his former ally, MI6 agent

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Sonya Falsworth. who is also investigating the
Skrull threat and tracked a stolen dirty bomb

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00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:16,739
to Moscow. While following the bomb, Talos reunites
with his estranged daughter Gaia, who has joined

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00:40:16,759 --> 00:40:21,462
the Skrull rebellion but becomes a double agent
after learning the rebels killed her mother.

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00:40:21,882 --> 00:40:26,805
She reveals to Talos Gravik's plan to bomb a
square in Moscow and portray it as an American

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00:40:26,845 --> 00:40:33,448
attack. Fury, Talos, and Hill fail to stop Gravik's
bomb and in the chaos, Gravik disguises himself

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00:40:33,488 --> 00:40:38,483
as Fury and shoots Maria Hill. I thought this
was a really solid first episode. This was

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00:40:38,503 --> 00:40:43,286
a lot of what I was actually expecting from
the show. It had a lot of great intrigue, spy

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00:40:43,326 --> 00:40:49,609
dialogue, and lots of shocks and twists. Yeah,
I saw Maria Hill's death coming though. It

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00:40:49,629 --> 00:40:53,472
was foreshadowed heavily during the chess scene
that she gave with Fury, where she was like,

461
00:40:53,872 --> 00:40:59,195
you're off your game Fury, and when you are,
people get hurt. I was like, okay, she's dead.

462
00:40:59,275 --> 00:41:04,458
Exactly, exactly. But I agree, it was a solid
opening episode for sure. Go ahead and move

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00:41:04,518 --> 00:41:09,442
on to episode 2, which was called Promises.
In the late 90s, we see Fury recruiting the

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00:41:09,462 --> 00:41:14,726
Skrull refugees, including a young Gravik as
his covert operatives in protecting Earth in

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exchange for finding them a new home planet.
In the present, en route to London, Talos reveals

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to Fury that he summoned even more refugees
in that time, and that around 1 million Skrulls

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00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:29,999
were currently living on Earth. Gravik meets
with the Skrull Council, a group of Skrulls

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00:41:30,019 --> 00:41:34,679
who have taken influential identities across
the globe. and they elect him as the new Skrull

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00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:40,004
General. Colonel James Rhodes advises US President
Ritzen on the matter and is sent to London

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00:41:40,044 --> 00:41:45,849
to meet with Fury. Rhodey holds Fury responsible
for the Moscow attack and Maria Hill's death,

471
00:41:46,209 --> 00:41:52,014
discharging him from his role at Sabre and within
the US government. Agent Falsworth interrogates

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00:41:52,054 --> 00:41:57,519
a captured Skrull who reveals that Gravik is
experimenting with Skrull DNA to create Super

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00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:04,104
Skrulls. Fury returns home to his wife. a scroll
named Vara disguised as Priscilla Davis, who

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was living in London. Again, a lot of shocking
surprises here. This episode was a little bit

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00:42:09,488 --> 00:42:14,011
slower than the first episode, but I think it
was still really solid. I was really enjoying

476
00:42:14,051 --> 00:42:18,454
the show at this point. Yeah, I didn't even
mind the slow moments. I'm really glad that

477
00:42:18,474 --> 00:42:24,419
the series as a whole was relatively short,
only six episodes. I think the level of intrigue

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00:42:24,459 --> 00:42:27,981
was able to be maintained throughout the whole
series, and it definitely kept my attention.

479
00:42:28,021 --> 00:42:32,603
So. It didn't feel as long as it actually was.
I got through the whole thing in, you know,

480
00:42:32,643 --> 00:42:36,765
just two days and I was, you know, glued to
the screen the whole time. That's a good compliment

481
00:42:36,785 --> 00:42:40,867
to the show, actually. Yeah, I think so. I liked
it again. You know, I definitely didn't have

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00:42:40,887 --> 00:42:44,549
all the qualms that you and other fans have
had. What did you think about Rody in this

483
00:42:44,589 --> 00:42:49,031
episode? I didn't suspect him as a scroll at
this point. I just thought he was being a fucking

484
00:42:49,091 --> 00:42:55,678
asshole. I should have suspected him as a scroll.
I thought he was a scroll in the comics. So

485
00:42:55,858 --> 00:43:00,539
I straight from the get-go assumed that he was
going to be one. I honestly thought potentially

486
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:06,501
everyone in the show besides Fury could be a
Skrull. I think I was definitely dumb for not

487
00:43:06,761 --> 00:43:11,982
immediately suspecting him considering he was
the only other big name player in the season

488
00:43:12,162 --> 00:43:15,943
that they could have done that sort of shocking
twist with. Yeah, I assumed they were going

489
00:43:15,963 --> 00:43:19,864
to do that with everyone. They did it with Everett
K. Ross, called that straight from the beginning.

490
00:43:20,084 --> 00:43:24,658
The only one who wasn't a Skrull that I thought
was going to be one was Agent Fallsworth. Let's

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00:43:24,678 --> 00:43:29,700
go ahead and move on to episode 3 which is called
Betrayed. In it, Gravik shows the Skrull Council

492
00:43:29,740 --> 00:43:34,122
his Super Skrull device and tells of his plan
to be the first test subject and explains how

493
00:43:34,142 --> 00:43:39,004
he has infiltrated the British Royal Navy to
attack a United Nations aircraft. In the late

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00:43:39,084 --> 00:43:45,467
90s, we see Fury meet with Vara, a Skrull diplomat
serving as official liaison between the refugees

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00:43:45,547 --> 00:43:50,409
and Fury, and the two fall in love. Back in
the present, Talos meets with Gravik regarding

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00:43:50,449 --> 00:43:55,551
his daughter Gaia. who manages to sneak a message
to her father, warning him of Gravik's upcoming

497
00:43:55,651 --> 00:44:00,753
Royal Navy attack. Talos and Fury learn who's
in charge of the Navy vessel from Agent Falsworth,

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00:44:01,173 --> 00:44:06,255
and they infiltrate his home, revealing him
to be a Skrull. Talos assumes his identity

499
00:44:06,536 --> 00:44:12,678
to call off the Navy strike using a password
acquired by Gaia. Outed as a rebel Skrull traitor,

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00:44:12,918 --> 00:44:18,260
Gaia flees the Skrull compound, but is intercepted
by Gravik, who shoots her dead. Meanwhile,

501
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:24,055
Vara is given orders to kill her husband Fury,
revealing her as part of the Skrull Rebellion.

502
00:44:24,476 --> 00:44:28,418
This was a fantastic episode. I think it was
actually the best of the entire season. I think

503
00:44:28,438 --> 00:44:34,122
it had the best moment where Fury and Talos
single handedly infiltrates the Royal Navy

504
00:44:34,142 --> 00:44:38,165
commander's home. I thought that was filled
with a lot of tension. Although I did think

505
00:44:38,185 --> 00:44:43,969
it was anticlimactic that the commander's password
was his son's name. Yeah, that's pretty basic.

506
00:44:43,989 --> 00:44:48,953
You never use your children's name as your password,
people. Come on. That's some basic shit right

507
00:44:48,993 --> 00:44:55,248
there. For real. I remember being super shocked
that Gaia was killed at the end of this episode.

508
00:44:55,788 --> 00:44:58,889
I had no idea that she was coming back, I thought
she was done for, especially since she had

509
00:44:58,909 --> 00:45:03,531
like transformed into her Skrull self. I was
like, oh, that means she's super dead. I didn't

510
00:45:03,571 --> 00:45:08,214
even think about the concept of her using the
Super Skrull device. That is a pet peeve of

511
00:45:08,254 --> 00:45:11,975
mine where they do that. They're like, oh, here's
a flashback that you didn't know that kind

512
00:45:12,015 --> 00:45:16,357
of solves everything. It's like, all right.
Well, that was until the next episode. But

513
00:45:16,517 --> 00:45:21,354
uh. At the end of this episode, we hear Rhodey
speak with Nick Fury's wife. And I could totally

514
00:45:21,394 --> 00:45:25,598
tell that it was Don Cheadle's voice. Because
I think he has a very distinctive voice. I

515
00:45:25,618 --> 00:45:30,923
was like, OK, so Rhodey is a Skrull. OK, right.
Right. How did you watch the show? Was it week

516
00:45:30,943 --> 00:45:35,387
to week or did you binge it? I binge the first
two episodes and then I watched the rest week

517
00:45:35,407 --> 00:45:38,870
to week. Yeah, I probably would have gotten
frustrated with the show like this, watching

518
00:45:38,931 --> 00:45:43,470
it week to week. I enjoyed binging it. It was
very bingeable. Things like, you know, Gaia

519
00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:49,474
being shot dead wasn't a problem for me for
very long. It was like a 15 second problem.

520
00:45:49,855 --> 00:45:54,378
Let's go ahead and move on to episode 4, which
is called Be Loved. In it, it's revealed that

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before fleeing the Rebel Scroll base, Gaia used
Gravik's Super Scroll Machine to give herself

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00:45:59,041 --> 00:46:03,884
an extremis healing factor that saves her life.
Vara meets with Rody, who turns out to be a

523
00:46:03,944 --> 00:46:09,488
Skrull named Reva in disguise, and they discuss
Fury's fate, as Fury listens to their conversation

524
00:46:09,528 --> 00:46:14,155
through a bug he planted on his wife. Talos
meets with Gaia, and the two are shown to have

525
00:46:14,335 --> 00:46:18,798
irreconcilable differences over the fate of
their people. Where Talos is content hiding

526
00:46:18,838 --> 00:46:23,220
in secret, his daughter wants the Skrulls to
have their own home living in their own skin.

527
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,583
Fury confronts Vara, but she confesses that
she truly loves him and could never hurt him.

528
00:46:28,943 --> 00:46:34,366
He then visits Skrull Rody and plants a liquid
tracker on him. Talos and Fury follow him and

529
00:46:34,406 --> 00:46:39,269
President Ritson's convoy, which Gravik and
his men attack, presenting themselves as Russian

530
00:46:39,289 --> 00:46:44,412
terrorists. Though Fury and Talos manage to
save the President's life, Talos is killed

531
00:46:44,472 --> 00:46:49,594
in the firefight. That whole firefight scene
was pretty cool. It was the first time we got

532
00:46:49,634 --> 00:46:54,557
to see the Super Scroll powers outside of Extremis.
I didn't initially register his stretching

533
00:46:54,597 --> 00:46:58,880
ability as group powers, even though I probably
should have because they definitely looked

534
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:04,543
like roots extending outward, but I really liked
it when they addressed that those were in fact

535
00:47:04,743 --> 00:47:10,278
a Flora Colossus ability. Well I recognized
it even before they explicitly said that. when

536
00:47:10,358 --> 00:47:15,041
Gaia was on the computer looking at the different
DNA samples that they had in like episode 2

537
00:47:15,061 --> 00:47:19,885
or 3. So I was waiting for something like that
to pop up. Oh yeah, I guess I didn't pay attention

538
00:47:20,005 --> 00:47:25,709
close enough to the monitors. Episode 5 is called
Harvest. In it, the Skrull Rebellion loses

539
00:47:25,749 --> 00:47:30,473
faith in Gravik following his failure to kill
the President or Nick Fury, which incites a

540
00:47:30,553 --> 00:47:36,277
mutiny that Gravik stops. Fury takes the President
to the hospital and confronts Skrull Rody.

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who reveals that he leaked footage of the Moscow
attack, implicating Fury in Maria Hill's death

542
00:47:42,284 --> 00:47:47,206
and turning Nick Fury into a wanted man. Fury
visits Gaia at a safe house where she tells

543
00:47:47,246 --> 00:47:52,148
him that Gravik's Super Scroll process involves
infusing Skrull DNA with those of Earth's other

544
00:47:52,188 --> 00:47:57,730
heroes and villains, including Extremis soldiers,
Groot, and Thanos' henchmen, Cull Obsidian,

545
00:47:58,070 --> 00:48:02,892
and that he is looking specifically for the
Harvest DNA samples, which contains genetic

546
00:48:02,932 --> 00:48:07,338
material from everyone in the battle against
Thanos. called the Battle of Earth in Avengers

547
00:48:07,438 --> 00:48:12,340
Endgame. On orders from Gravik, Skrull-Rody
tries to convince President Ritsin that the

548
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:17,641
attack was from a Skrull group harbored by Russia
and advises him to attack the Rebel Skrull

549
00:48:17,661 --> 00:48:23,263
compound on Russian soil. Gaia and Vara hold
a funeral for Talos and fend off Rebel Skrulls

550
00:48:23,283 --> 00:48:28,124
sent to assassinate them for their betrayal.
Gravik calls Fury asking for him to bring him

551
00:48:28,164 --> 00:48:33,587
the Harvest Sample in exchange for saving the
Skrull compound. Fury partners with Agent Fallsworth

552
00:48:33,627 --> 00:48:38,491
to help him avoid authorities as he travels
with her to Finland to retrieve the sample,

553
00:48:38,771 --> 00:48:43,775
preparing to confront Gravik. I thought this
was a great episode. I did find it kind of

554
00:48:43,815 --> 00:48:48,439
strange that even though Gaia was kind of on
the run for being a Skrull traitor, neither

555
00:48:48,499 --> 00:48:53,643
she nor Fury's wife ever changed their human
forms. Like they could have easily gone into

556
00:48:53,683 --> 00:48:59,688
hiding by becoming someone else, they just chose
not to. The whole Skrull rationalization for

557
00:48:59,908 --> 00:49:05,197
remaining in human form. obviously was to reduce
the special effects and make a budget for the

558
00:49:05,217 --> 00:49:10,041
show. Right. They explained it as like the more
you're in this human form, the harder it is

559
00:49:10,081 --> 00:49:15,046
for you to detect. But I also feel like the
scrolls were in their human forms too much

560
00:49:15,566 --> 00:49:19,810
and that they didn't transform in times where
it would have been convenient for them to.

561
00:49:20,251 --> 00:49:25,175
Yeah, I definitely agree. The action scene with
Gaia and Vara, though, was pretty badass. Those

562
00:49:25,195 --> 00:49:29,955
two ladies crushed it, I thought, in that shoot
out. Not gonna lie, it makes me want to set

563
00:49:29,995 --> 00:49:36,059
up like a hidden backpack, like weapon cache
thing in my own home, just so I could be prepared

564
00:49:36,099 --> 00:49:41,042
like them. I don't know who would attack my
home, but weapons are cool. I could do it.

565
00:49:41,543 --> 00:49:47,026
Okay. We'll just do a super soakers, it'll be
awesome. Yeah, yeah, just do, we'll do the

566
00:49:47,066 --> 00:49:52,430
airsoft version. Let's go ahead and move on
to episode six, which is called Home. In It,

567
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:58,146
Fury confronts Gravik at the Rebel Scroll compound,
offering to hand over the harvest sample if

568
00:49:58,186 --> 00:50:03,527
Gravik leaves the planet to conquer some other
world for the Skrulls. Gravik refuses and berates

569
00:50:03,567 --> 00:50:09,049
Fury for deceiving the Skrull refugees, getting
Fury to admit that he knew he and Captain Marvel

570
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:13,890
couldn't find a new world for them, but that
it was easier to save humanity from the Skrulls

571
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:19,071
than to convince it to accept them. Agent Fallsworth
tells Rhodey that he and the President's Guard

572
00:50:19,111 --> 00:50:24,973
are under attack from Fury and the guards slowly
fall one by one. With Fury dying from radiation

573
00:50:24,993 --> 00:50:29,896
sickness at the Rebel Skrull compound, Gravik
activates the Super Scroll machine and attacks

574
00:50:29,916 --> 00:50:35,801
Fury, who reveals himself as Gaia in disguise
who also receives the Harvest's powers. In

575
00:50:35,841 --> 00:50:41,105
actuality Fury is at the hospital with Agent
Fallsworth where he shoots and kills Skrull

576
00:50:41,125 --> 00:50:46,209
Rody, proving to President Ritzen the Skrull
deception against him. Gaia and Gravik fight,

577
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:51,274
with Gaia avenging her parents by blasting a
hole through Gravik's chest, killing him. She

578
00:50:51,294 --> 00:50:57,198
then sets the Skrull prisoners free, including
Everett K. Ross and James Rhodes. In the aftermath,

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00:50:57,458 --> 00:51:02,882
President Ritson declares war on all offworld
species, causing unrest among civilians as

580
00:51:03,022 --> 00:51:08,006
armed vigilantes murder those they think are
Skrulls. Agent Falsworth partners with Gaia

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00:51:08,086 --> 00:51:13,010
as they visit another Skrull compound with more
captive humans. Fury leaves the planet with

582
00:51:13,070 --> 00:51:18,634
Vara to attend a peace summit between the Kree
and the Skrulls. I gotta say the last 10 minutes

583
00:51:19,194 --> 00:51:23,737
of this season really dropped the ball. The
episode was the shortest in the entire season.

584
00:51:24,158 --> 00:51:29,782
I think they should have really took the time
to end this show correctly and not just rush

585
00:51:29,842 --> 00:51:34,706
it like they did. It felt largely unsatisfying.
And I think is a large reason why a lot of

586
00:51:34,746 --> 00:51:38,689
people have a better taste in their mouth when
it comes to this show. I think if they would

587
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:44,354
have just extended that whole ending, what felt
like a montage by like an additional 15 or

588
00:51:44,394 --> 00:51:48,337
20 minutes, I think it would have made all the
difference in the world. I was very confused

589
00:51:48,397 --> 00:51:54,682
by what Gaia found in that basement. So it was
another Skrull compound. Yeah, it was a bunch

590
00:51:54,702 --> 00:51:59,863
of other people whose memories were stolen by
the Skrulls who had their identities taken.

591
00:52:00,323 --> 00:52:04,985
So they're gonna work to stop those Skrulls
now? She's gonna do that as like their new

592
00:52:05,045 --> 00:52:10,226
leader? Your guess is as good as mine as to
what the implications were there. It largely

593
00:52:10,266 --> 00:52:14,907
felt like they were setting up a lot of vague
plot points for a secret invasion season 2,

594
00:52:15,407 --> 00:52:22,069
but season 2 hasn't been confirmed, so it's
unknown if we'll ever get a continuation to

595
00:52:22,149 --> 00:52:26,347
these plot points. I'm really curious to see
as to what the ramifications are going to be

596
00:52:26,787 --> 00:52:32,829
in the larger MCU from this show. Like, the
president declaring war on all offworlders,

597
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:38,492
does that mean that they're going to attack
the Asgardian camp now? If they want their

598
00:52:38,512 --> 00:52:44,114
heads shot up their asses, they're welcome to
try. I just, I feel like that was kind of irresponsible

599
00:52:44,414 --> 00:52:48,956
of the MCU. Yeah, it's almost like they kind
of wrote themselves into a corner because if

600
00:52:48,996 --> 00:52:56,419
it doesn't get addressed, phase four, I think
in general, and now apparently phase five,

601
00:52:56,879 --> 00:53:02,460
is that the MCU is setting up so many individual
plot threads and so many new corners of the

602
00:53:02,481 --> 00:53:07,262
larger Marvel Cinematic Universe that aren't
being addressed in the same way that they were

603
00:53:07,382 --> 00:53:12,764
in previous phases. Like, who knows what the
hell happened with the Eternals situation,

604
00:53:12,944 --> 00:53:17,965
you know? What's happening with the Incursions
and with the multiverse? We have the Atlanteans

605
00:53:18,005 --> 00:53:22,536
introduced. the underground society of monster
hunters and the werewolf by night special.

606
00:53:22,817 --> 00:53:28,061
So many different like threads now that are
branched out almost exponentially. The Marvel

607
00:53:28,101 --> 00:53:32,805
Cinematic Universe definitely feels less cohesive
than it's ever been in its existence. Yeah,

608
00:53:32,885 --> 00:53:37,649
I definitely feel like fans are starting to
turn on it, especially seeing some of the ire

609
00:53:37,729 --> 00:53:43,314
online for even a show like this. Yeah, it makes
me think that superhero fatigue is definitely

610
00:53:43,394 --> 00:53:48,762
setting in. Marvel can just kind of like string
all this together into something that feels

611
00:53:48,882 --> 00:53:54,186
really cohesive and makes sense, I think they'll
win fans back. But they gotta work on funneling

612
00:53:54,346 --> 00:53:59,050
all this new stuff and really convincing people
to keep up with everything. I guess we'll see

613
00:53:59,090 --> 00:54:03,514
how much this show ties into the larger MCU
when we see the Marvels, because that's when

614
00:54:03,534 --> 00:54:08,898
we're gonna see Nick Fury again. Right. So relatively
soon. Yeah, hopefully if the movie doesn't

615
00:54:08,918 --> 00:54:13,722
get delayed. That's right. We'll see. But that
doesn't for this season. I remember walking

616
00:54:13,782 --> 00:54:19,746
away from the show because of the lackluster
10 minutes that happened. feeling that I disliked

617
00:54:19,766 --> 00:54:24,809
the show more than I actually did. Once I started
writing out the plot breakdowns and the character

618
00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:30,532
breakdowns and stuff, I really came to appreciate
the season despite all of its plot holes. Considering

619
00:54:30,792 --> 00:54:35,215
everything, how much I enjoyed it and how much
I questioned what was in it, I'm going to give

620
00:54:35,255 --> 00:54:41,658
the season 3.5 stars. In summary, the show's
capable actors and mature tone make for mostly

621
00:54:41,698 --> 00:54:47,341
enjoyable viewing but can't fully save a plot-hold
riddled story that bumbles its resolution.

622
00:54:47,798 --> 00:54:53,099
For Rotten Tomatoes though, I'm giving it a
fresh rating. Because ultimately, I recommend

623
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,280
it and think it's worth watching, despite the
fact it didn't entirely live up to what I thought

624
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,301
it could or should be. I think there's potential
in the series, not only for a Season 2 of Secret

625
00:55:02,321 --> 00:55:07,563
Invasion, but for the entire MCU. I didn't dislike
it as much as other people, I actually really

626
00:55:07,583 --> 00:55:12,064
liked it when you were first talking about a
3.5 star rating. I thought that was pretty

627
00:55:12,104 --> 00:55:17,105
harsh. I'd give it honestly like a 4. Bringing
up some of the plot points that you mentioned.

628
00:55:17,590 --> 00:55:22,392
does kind of downgrade the show for me, but
definitely not enough to get to like a three.

629
00:55:22,452 --> 00:55:27,555
So I agree that a three point five rating is
appropriate. I'd probably give it a four, but

630
00:55:27,655 --> 00:55:31,617
ultimately this is, you know, your review. And
if you want to give it a three point five,

631
00:55:32,157 --> 00:55:38,201
sure. Fuck Marvel, right? I just have higher
standards than you as a fan of Marvel. I think

632
00:55:38,221 --> 00:55:45,244
that's apparent because I can't stand DC. So
what you DC simpletons will enjoy anything.

633
00:55:45,725 --> 00:55:50,850
Obviously, anything. Oh my gosh. If you like
DC. It was confused with Marvel fans, bro.

634
00:55:51,291 --> 00:55:54,892
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Or you could also rate the show on Apple Podcasts,
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episode, we will be doing a DC review of the
animated film Justice League Warworld. I haven't

645
00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:56,158
seen it yet. I'm looking forward to seeing it.
It looks pretty intriguing just based on the

646
00:56:56,198 --> 00:57:00,260
trailers. So I can't wait to review it. But
that does it for this episode. We want to give

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a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken
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648
00:57:05,784 --> 00:57:10,007
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649
00:57:14,238 --> 00:57:19,543
Scott Camacho and Adam Spees for helping make
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guys next week. Up up and away, true believers.