1 00:00:00,950 --> 00:00:06,754 This is a Dynamike Network podcast. Hey everyone, Marvelous Joe here at the top of the episode. 2 00:00:06,854 --> 00:00:11,857 With the approaching holiday season, we're officially underway with this year's Holiday Charity Drive 3 00:00:11,917 --> 00:00:17,101 and lead up to our charity dual episode in December, which is going to be Alfred Pennyworth versus 4 00:00:17,221 --> 00:00:22,444 Edwin Jarvis. This year, all donations will be going once again to Pop Culture Classroom, 5 00:00:22,825 --> 00:00:28,048 a non-profit organization that delivers high quality, all-inclusive educational resources 6 00:00:28,068 --> 00:00:33,100 to school districts, teachers, and community organizations using comics, graphic novels, 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,584 and related pop culture media. Their mission is to inspire a love of learning, increase 8 00:00:38,645 --> 00:00:44,229 literacy, celebrate diversity, and build community through the tools of popular culture and the 9 00:00:44,269 --> 00:00:50,154 power of self-expression. To donate, visit our official store through dynamicduel.com where 10 00:00:50,174 --> 00:00:56,779 you'll find two donation options, one if you're Team DC and one if you're Team Marvel. Or you 11 00:00:56,819 --> 00:01:04,211 can go directly to dynamicduel.com slash Donate DC, one word, or dynamicduel.com slash donatemarvel, 12 00:01:04,471 --> 00:01:09,292 which are linked in our show notes. We're making the charity drive a competitive duel this year, 13 00:01:09,712 --> 00:01:14,754 except the only stat that matters is which side can donate the most. Everyone who donates will 14 00:01:14,794 --> 00:01:19,115 receive a digital poster featuring original art of Alfred and Jarvis draw New Yorker style 15 00:01:19,335 --> 00:01:24,597 by Jonathan. One lucky random donor will win a framed print of the Alfred vs Jarvis art 16 00:01:24,897 --> 00:01:29,681 that we'll announce during that December duel episode. which fanbase will be the most charitable, 17 00:01:30,081 --> 00:01:34,167 we'll keep everyone posted as to which team is winning as donations come in during these 18 00:01:34,287 --> 00:01:40,637 upcoming episodes. As of right now, Marvel is ahead with four more donations than DC. So 19 00:01:40,677 --> 00:01:43,181 you gotta catch up DC fans, on with the show. 20 00:02:03,618 --> 00:02:08,882 Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 21 00:02:08,902 --> 00:02:14,126 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based simulations. 22 00:02:14,606 --> 00:02:20,431 I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we're doing a duel 23 00:02:20,711 --> 00:02:29,005 between DC's Enchantress and Marvel's Enchantress. That's right. Both Marvel and DC have a sorceress 24 00:02:29,045 --> 00:02:33,928 character named Enchantress. Obviously the better one is going to be the Marvel version, but 25 00:02:33,948 --> 00:02:37,051 we're going to find out who'd win in a fight between these two characters by inputting the 26 00:02:37,071 --> 00:02:41,574 stats and running a thousand simulated matches between them. I bet you Enchantress is going 27 00:02:41,594 --> 00:02:48,819 to win. Oh dude Enchantress is totally going to stomp. Yes she is. Yeah. Now of course this 28 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:53,990 episode was supposed to be a review of Loki season two. but because I'm going on a business 29 00:02:54,030 --> 00:02:58,833 trip this week, we're recording this episode early, and since I haven't seen all of Loki 30 00:02:58,853 --> 00:03:04,057 yet, we are doing a duel for right now. Next week, we'll review Loki Season Two. Yeah, but 31 00:03:04,097 --> 00:03:08,840 this episode is a good tie-in to Loki Season Two because the Enchantress, like Loki, is 32 00:03:08,860 --> 00:03:14,503 an Asgardian. Since we're recording this episode early, we're gonna skip over the no prize and 33 00:03:14,543 --> 00:03:19,806 the news portions of this episode and jump straight into the duel. But before we do that, as our 34 00:03:19,846 --> 00:03:24,189 listeners may know, our dual simulator is so advanced that it's gained sentience and has 35 00:03:24,270 --> 00:03:28,713 named itself the Artificial Lifeform for running extensive duels, just a rather very intelligent 36 00:03:28,753 --> 00:03:35,017 Simulator 9000, or Alfred Jarvis 9000. Here's a quick message for our listeners, so listen 37 00:03:35,077 --> 00:03:42,087 up! Why hello there. Do you love listening and chatting about Marvel and DC? Then become a 38 00:03:42,147 --> 00:03:47,128 part of the dynamic dual community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. The 39 00:03:47,168 --> 00:03:52,730 dynamic 2-0 tier lets you listen to this podcast without ads and gives you access to its Discord 40 00:03:52,770 --> 00:03:57,871 chat group, where you can chat with Johnny DC and Marvelous Joe. The fantastic 4 tier gives 41 00:03:57,911 --> 00:04:02,733 you that and more with two bonus episodes each month, including bloopers and top 10 shows 42 00:04:02,753 --> 00:04:07,547 where Johnny and Joe count down your favourite Marvel and DC subjects. The X-Force tier makes 43 00:04:07,567 --> 00:04:12,058 you an executive producer of Dynamic Dual. where every month you help the hosts choose what 44 00:04:12,078 --> 00:04:17,401 to review and who to fight against each other. And finally, the Dynamite Podcast Network tier 45 00:04:17,681 --> 00:04:22,723 allows aspiring podcasters to create their own battle-focused show using this Monte Carlo 46 00:04:22,763 --> 00:04:27,866 simulator. Johnny and Joe will help you develop your show, provide graphic support and consultation, 47 00:04:28,226 --> 00:04:32,808 and get you simulation results to announce on your show. Pitch the twins your show via email 48 00:04:32,848 --> 00:04:38,391 at dynamicduelpodcast.gmail.com or by reaching out to them on social media. Check it out at 49 00:04:38,431 --> 00:04:44,672 patreon.com slash dynamicduelpodcast.gmail.com. your Pip Cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to 50 00:04:44,732 --> 00:04:50,334 everyone who supports the podcast. Be sure to tune into both the Max Destruction and Sanjo 51 00:04:50,354 --> 00:04:55,975 World podcast this week. We actually don't know what the episodes are going to be, but I guarantee 52 00:04:56,035 --> 00:04:59,796 you they're going to be awesome because the shows are awesome. Yeah, every episode is a 53 00:04:59,816 --> 00:05:05,997 good time. And we're happy to announce now that we have another show joining the Dynamike Podcast 54 00:05:06,057 --> 00:05:12,219 Network. Starting in December, the show is going to be called... Console Combat with Kaze. And 55 00:05:12,359 --> 00:05:17,141 in it, host John Storosky and his co-host Dean are going to be finding out who would win in 56 00:05:17,181 --> 00:05:22,263 a fight between two characters from your favorite video games. So look forward to that podcast 57 00:05:22,583 --> 00:05:27,425 again coming out starting in December. It's gonna be a whole lot of fun. The Dynamica Podcast 58 00:05:27,445 --> 00:05:31,667 Network keeps growing with incredible shows beyond dynamic duel where you can now hear 59 00:05:31,707 --> 00:05:36,549 battles between your favorite movie characters, anime characters, and video game characters. 60 00:05:37,138 --> 00:05:41,721 Make sure to check out dynamicpodcast.com or click the link in our show notes to listen 61 00:05:41,761 --> 00:05:47,124 to all of the shows in the Dynamite Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, on to 62 00:05:47,144 --> 00:05:48,565 the question of the week. 63 00:05:53,142 --> 00:05:57,003 That's right, we're going with the same question of the week that we had from last episode, 64 00:05:57,123 --> 00:06:01,764 which is What other characters from the Sandman universe do you hope to get their own series 65 00:06:01,884 --> 00:06:06,365 on Netflix? And this is coming off of the first trailer we received for the Dead Boy Detectives 66 00:06:06,405 --> 00:06:11,266 television show on Netflix. That question still stands for this week, so go ahead and record 67 00:06:11,286 --> 00:06:15,388 your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right 68 00:06:15,408 --> 00:06:19,689 hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message can 69 00:06:19,709 --> 00:06:23,563 be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the 70 00:06:23,603 --> 00:06:27,971 podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic Dual Note Prize 71 00:06:28,251 --> 00:06:34,221 that we'll post to Instagram and our email newsletter. Again, be sure to answer before November 25th. 72 00:06:41,454 --> 00:06:46,083 And now let's move on to the main event of this episode where we find out who's gonna win in 73 00:06:46,103 --> 00:06:52,557 a matchup between the Sorceress, the Enchantress against the Sorceress, the Enchantress. 74 00:07:07,822 --> 00:07:14,866 Alright, Enchantress vs Enchantress. As we mentioned earlier, DC and Marvel both have characters 75 00:07:15,006 --> 00:07:20,010 named Enchantress who are sorcerers within their respective universes. I don't know much about 76 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:26,354 Marvel's Enchantress. I just know that she's inferior to DC's. No, because DC's Enchantress 77 00:07:26,374 --> 00:07:30,877 was in a shitty Suicide Squad movie. Oh, you mean the Academy Award winning Suicide Squad 78 00:07:30,897 --> 00:07:36,521 movie? That's so stupid. Were any of the Thor movies Academy Award winning films? Did not 79 00:07:36,561 --> 00:07:41,780 think so. I don't think so. Exactly, neither did I. Marvel's Enchantress though has kind 80 00:07:41,820 --> 00:07:47,304 of made an appearance on the screen in the Loki television show because the second iteration 81 00:07:47,344 --> 00:07:53,848 of the character was named Sylvie. And so the Loki TV show Sylvie is kind of a riff on that 82 00:07:53,868 --> 00:07:58,991 version of the Enchantress. So it's real fitting that this episode is in tie-in to our Loki 83 00:07:59,011 --> 00:08:02,813 season two review that's coming out next week. Oh, that's interesting, I didn't know that. 84 00:08:03,294 --> 00:08:07,035 Yeah, but I'm going to be going with the original version of the character who's an Asgardian 85 00:08:07,075 --> 00:08:14,396 named Amora. I thought her name was Enchantress! No! Okay. Well, to explain the methodology 86 00:08:14,416 --> 00:08:20,358 behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis9000. AJ9K, tell our 87 00:08:20,398 --> 00:08:26,380 listeners how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. 88 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:31,141 The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1,000 Monte Carlo simulations 89 00:08:31,241 --> 00:08:36,111 using the character's statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to 90 00:08:36,151 --> 00:08:41,274 determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomised the statistics along 91 00:08:41,294 --> 00:08:45,777 a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 92 00:08:46,157 --> 00:08:50,919 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters' 93 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:56,122 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 94 00:08:56,162 --> 00:09:01,505 potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 95 00:09:02,050 --> 00:09:06,852 The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 96 00:09:06,872 --> 00:09:11,355 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability 97 00:09:11,375 --> 00:09:17,218 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 98 00:09:17,718 --> 00:09:22,201 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 99 00:09:22,241 --> 00:09:26,123 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 100 00:09:26,143 --> 00:09:31,686 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 101 00:09:31,726 --> 00:09:36,110 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 102 00:09:37,531 --> 00:09:41,995 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's histories 103 00:09:42,035 --> 00:09:46,799 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 104 00:09:46,819 --> 00:09:51,823 would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the DC characters 105 00:09:51,843 --> 00:09:59,998 backstory, so let me tell you all about Enchantress. Jun Moon was a timid whose entire life was 106 00:10:00,058 --> 00:10:05,621 changed, the fateful evening her boyfriend, Alan Dell, surprised her by bringing her to 107 00:10:05,661 --> 00:10:12,905 a costume party at an old, abandoned, and supposedly haunted castle, aptly named Terror Castle. 108 00:10:13,445 --> 00:10:19,069 Overwhelmed by the party and the supernatural forces within the castle, June snuck away to 109 00:10:19,109 --> 00:10:23,491 a secluded area and accidentally slipped through a secret panel in a wall. 110 00:10:28,382 --> 00:10:34,927 known as Zamor, who explained to June that fate had brought her there, and that she was destined 111 00:10:35,167 --> 00:10:41,472 to be a powerful sorceress that could rid the castle of its evil. By speaking the word Enchantress, 112 00:10:41,913 --> 00:10:47,017 June transformed into a mystical witch, and was able to defeat the evil forces haunting 113 00:10:47,037 --> 00:10:53,642 the castle. June became a superhero, transforming her blonde hair black and blue eyes green whenever 114 00:10:53,662 --> 00:11:00,440 she summoned her magical Enchantress alter ego. to save the life of her boyfriend, Allen, who 115 00:11:00,460 --> 00:11:06,185 found himself attracted to Enchantress, not realizing she was really June. Eventually, 116 00:11:06,485 --> 00:11:12,970 June got a full-time job at the New Athens Experimental School in Florida, where Linda Danvers, aka 117 00:11:13,050 --> 00:11:18,295 Supergirl, also worked. You can learn more about Supergirl in our Supergirl vs. Captain Marvel 118 00:11:18,335 --> 00:11:24,900 duel episode. It was at New Athens that June stumbled upon Zamor once again, and the creature 119 00:11:24,940 --> 00:11:30,711 explained to June, that soon the moon was going to align with a star that would allow June 120 00:11:30,751 --> 00:11:37,774 to gain omnipotent magical power and the potential to destroy all evil at the cost of also destroying 121 00:11:38,134 --> 00:11:44,117 all scientific laws that governed the universe. Deciding it was worth the risk, June attempted 122 00:11:44,157 --> 00:11:50,099 to gain the power, but Supergirl prevented her from doing so by moving the moon out of alignment. 123 00:11:50,619 --> 00:11:55,481 Whether it was due to Supergirl's misalignment of the heavenly bodies that affected June, 124 00:11:55,942 --> 00:12:01,805 or June's own frustration at being forced to fight a never-ending battle against evil, the 125 00:12:01,845 --> 00:12:07,528 Enchantress became corrupted and attempted to take over the world, forming a team known as 126 00:12:07,668 --> 00:12:13,631 the Forgotten Villains, though their plots were continually defeated by Supergirl and Superman. 127 00:12:14,112 --> 00:12:19,034 After the Crisis on Infinite Earths event, June sought penance for her actions as the Enchantress 128 00:12:19,415 --> 00:12:25,430 and volunteered for Amanda Waller's Task Force X, aka the Suicide Squad. which you can learn 129 00:12:25,450 --> 00:12:30,995 more about in our team duel episode, Suicide Squad vs. the Defenders. As various missions 130 00:12:31,075 --> 00:12:35,819 undertaken by the squad were completed, June stayed on with the team while others left, 131 00:12:36,179 --> 00:12:41,663 as Waller had promised to help her control the corrupted evil Enchantress entity that she 132 00:12:41,683 --> 00:12:47,828 believed now dwelled within her. June was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the Enchantress seemingly 133 00:12:47,868 --> 00:12:53,233 became more and more powerful and volatile with each new mission, often forcing her teammates 134 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:58,877 to subdue her while in the field. The field's team leader, Bronze Tiger, who you can learn 135 00:12:58,897 --> 00:13:04,022 more about in our Bronze Tiger vs White Tiger episode, took June to see the ancient mystic 136 00:13:04,122 --> 00:13:10,627 Madame Xanadu, who explained to June that her lack of training had resulted in her aura succumbing 137 00:13:10,667 --> 00:13:16,452 to evil influences. June learned that if she stopped using magic, her aura would eventually 138 00:13:16,512 --> 00:13:22,257 heal, and Madame Xanadu gave June a necklace and ring that would help her suppress the evil 139 00:13:22,277 --> 00:13:27,989 within her. With the warning, the Enchantress' magic would also build up over time and would 140 00:13:28,049 --> 00:13:33,592 likely be unstoppable if she ever emerged again. While aiding the Suicide Squad on a mission 141 00:13:33,632 --> 00:13:39,496 to the Nightshade Dimension, June learned that the Enchantress was in fact a separate entity 142 00:13:39,576 --> 00:13:46,381 from another dimension known as Succubus, the sister of Incubus, who had conquered that dimension. 143 00:13:46,841 --> 00:13:52,165 Incubus ripped Succubus out of June's body, leaving her powerless, and June left the team 144 00:13:52,225 --> 00:13:58,156 soon after, it eventually ended up in a mental institution. Succubus herself later escaped 145 00:13:58,196 --> 00:14:04,019 to Earth during the Day of Judgment storyline, only to seemingly be sacrificed by the warlock 146 00:14:04,059 --> 00:14:11,103 Sebastian Faust to reignite the fires of Hell. In reality, however, Sebastian had merely captured 147 00:14:11,183 --> 00:14:17,407 Succubus, who later escaped and assumed the identity of Anita Solida. Faust was able to 148 00:14:17,487 --> 00:14:24,082 re-bind Succubus to June, however, and when the Spectre attempted to Enchantress was able 149 00:14:24,102 --> 00:14:29,924 to nearly defeat the Spectre by channeling magic from all magical beings on Earth, but the power 150 00:14:29,984 --> 00:14:35,066 proved to be too corrupting an influence for her, and she was forced to give it up. Once 151 00:14:35,106 --> 00:14:41,509 the Spectre was defeated, she joined the magic-based team known as Shadow Pact. In post-Flashpoint 152 00:14:41,529 --> 00:14:46,551 continuity, June's history remained largely the same, though in one of the Justice League's 153 00:14:46,631 --> 00:14:52,722 early adventures, they failed to stop the global chaos wrought by the Enchantress entity. when 154 00:14:52,742 --> 00:14:58,526 she was exorcised from June Moon by Madame Xanadu. This resulted in the formation of the Justice 155 00:14:58,546 --> 00:15:05,252 League Dark Magic Team, who was forced to re-merge Enchantress with June in order to protect the 156 00:15:05,272 --> 00:15:10,056 world from the succubus's power. You can learn more about Justice League Dark in their team 157 00:15:10,096 --> 00:15:15,500 duel episode against the Midnight Suns. June later joined a new version of the Suicide Squad 158 00:15:15,901 --> 00:15:20,344 and was pivotal in supping Superman with her magical powers during the Justice League versus 159 00:15:20,505 --> 00:15:27,137 Suicide Squad run. Now powers-wise, Enchantress is an entity of nearly limitless magical potential, 160 00:15:27,478 --> 00:15:33,002 and regarded as one of the most dangerous mystical beings in existence. Her power is quelled only 161 00:15:33,042 --> 00:15:38,426 by her host, June Moon, who over the years has learned to channel the power of the Enchantress 162 00:15:38,746 --> 00:15:44,310 to transform and manipulate objects, often bringing them to life, and also transforming her own 163 00:15:44,350 --> 00:15:50,446 appearance or making herself intangible. She has telekinesis, can fly, can fire devastating 164 00:15:50,486 --> 00:15:56,591 blasts of magical energy, and generate magic-based constructs. She's also one of the foremost 165 00:15:56,691 --> 00:16:04,278 spellcasters, able to heal, teleport, cast illusions, and bind herself to other magic users, able 166 00:16:04,318 --> 00:16:10,202 to track them and even remotely sap or steal their powers. Her only weakness is actually 167 00:16:10,322 --> 00:16:16,067 using too much power, as it strengthens the evil succubus within her, who, when unleashed, 168 00:16:16,488 --> 00:16:23,616 is a nigh-omnipotent reality warper. That's Enchantress. So in the Suicide Squad movie, 169 00:16:23,776 --> 00:16:28,758 the Enchantress also had a brother. I forgot what they named him in the film, but was that 170 00:16:28,778 --> 00:16:35,261 guy Incubus? Yeah, that was Incubus. Oh, interesting. I'm surprised he didn't jam out with like whatever 171 00:16:35,321 --> 00:16:46,650 tomorrow brings. I'll be there. Holy shit, that was awful. Never do that again. No one remembers 172 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:51,451 that band, dude. No one remembers the band. Incubus is timeless. I just have to say that, 173 00:16:51,711 --> 00:16:56,292 so. But let me go ahead and tell you about the backstory of the superior enchantress in the 174 00:16:56,312 --> 00:17:02,134 Marvel universe. Millennia ago, Amora was born in the realm of Asgard, one of the nine realms 175 00:17:02,214 --> 00:17:07,235 of Norse mythology, and as the goddess of youth and fertility, grew to be renowned among the 176 00:17:07,255 --> 00:17:13,417 gods for her astonishing beauty. In her adolescence, she ran away to the land of the Norns, an apprentice 177 00:17:13,477 --> 00:17:19,147 under one of the most powerful sorceresses in all of the realms. Training in magic into adulthood, 178 00:17:19,667 --> 00:17:24,669 Amora proved to be an adept sorceress herself, using enchantments primarily to enhance her 179 00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:31,272 natural allure to influence others and developing a reputation as a seductress. Of all the Asgardian 180 00:17:31,312 --> 00:17:36,594 men she was able to manipulate, however, Thor Odinson, the God of Thunder, was beyond her 181 00:17:36,634 --> 00:17:41,756 temptations. Driven to infatuation with Thor and obsessed with the challenge of conquering 182 00:17:41,796 --> 00:17:46,991 his heart, Amora was relentless in her pursuit of him. occasionally teaming up with Thor's 183 00:17:47,011 --> 00:17:51,795 brother Loki to try and break down the God of Thunder spirit. You can learn more about Thor 184 00:17:51,975 --> 00:17:57,579 and Loki in their respective dual episodes against Wonder Woman and Ares respectively. Beyond 185 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,523 scheming for Thor's affection, Amora deceived other fellow Asgardians such as the beautiful 186 00:18:02,563 --> 00:18:07,968 Valkyrie using her magic to trap her in a mystic crystal, a story you can learn more about in 187 00:18:07,988 --> 00:18:13,303 our Power Girl vs Valkyrie dual episode. Chief among Amora's many suitors was the Asgardian 188 00:18:13,343 --> 00:18:18,626 named Scourge the Executioner, who was madly in love with her and bowed to her every whim 189 00:18:18,926 --> 00:18:23,909 despite his affections being unrequited. When Thor was banished to Earth by his father and 190 00:18:23,949 --> 00:18:29,332 fell in love with the mortal woman Jane Foster, a jealous Amora went to Earth and tried to 191 00:18:29,392 --> 00:18:35,255 seduce him. After getting spurned once again, Amora ordered Scourge to eliminate Jane Foster, 192 00:18:35,655 --> 00:18:41,598 but Thor stopped them and hurled the pair back to Asgard. Amora and Scourge went on to join 193 00:18:41,638 --> 00:18:46,919 Baron Zemo's Masters of Evil supervillain team in order to beset the newly formed Avengers, 194 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:52,561 of which Thor was a founding member. As a recurring villain for the Avengers, Amora eventually 195 00:18:52,621 --> 00:18:57,362 expanded her list of enemies to include some of Earth's other mightiest heroes, such as 196 00:18:57,422 --> 00:19:01,904 Hercules, whom she also became smitten with, and the Scarlet Witch, whom she considered 197 00:19:01,944 --> 00:19:06,845 her rival. Amora was one of the many villains and heroes abducted by the all-powerful entity 198 00:19:06,885 --> 00:19:11,751 called the Beyonder. to take part in his grand morality experiment to see who would win in 199 00:19:11,771 --> 00:19:17,253 a battle between good and evil, known as the Secret Wars. On his patchwork planet called 200 00:19:17,353 --> 00:19:23,396 Battleworld, Amora found herself trapped alongside Thor, and the two finally shared an intimate 201 00:19:23,436 --> 00:19:28,558 encounter. Thor tried to convince Amora to leave the villains and join the side of good, but 202 00:19:28,618 --> 00:19:34,661 Amora shamefully declined, fearful of the consequences, but flirting with the idea of being a hero. 203 00:19:34,961 --> 00:19:39,706 With the Secret Wars over, Amora and Scourge fought alongside their fellow Asgardians to 204 00:19:39,746 --> 00:19:44,948 defend their home against the fire demon Surtur, preventing him from causing Ragnarok or the 205 00:19:44,988 --> 00:19:50,249 Twilight of the Norse gods. The pair also defended the realm from the Asgardian goddess of death, 206 00:19:50,469 --> 00:19:56,531 Hela, though Scourge died in that battle. Amora later discovered her sister Lorelei had put 207 00:19:56,591 --> 00:20:02,093 a love spell on Thor and she freed the hero from her sister's bewitchment. Seemingly over 208 00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:07,155 her infatuation with Thor, Amora grew close to Heimdall. who was the sentry of Asgard's 209 00:20:07,235 --> 00:20:13,501 rainbow bridge known as the Bifrost. Inspired by his nobility, she became a more unselfish 210 00:20:13,521 --> 00:20:18,846 figure and even fought against her former ally Loki, protecting Odin's throne. This wasn't 211 00:20:18,886 --> 00:20:23,811 meant to last however, and Amora returned to her scheming ways after realizing Heimdall 212 00:20:23,831 --> 00:20:28,976 would always be more devoted to Asgard than to her, and she parted from him. After menacing 213 00:20:29,036 --> 00:20:33,659 Doctor Strange, the Sorcerer Supreme, She moved to Hollywood and became a movie star for a 214 00:20:33,699 --> 00:20:38,503 while, winning the hearts of men through her films. Amora tried to seduce fellow superhero 215 00:20:38,583 --> 00:20:43,066 actor Wonder Man, whom you can learn more about in his duel against Captain Adam, but she was 216 00:20:43,186 --> 00:20:48,189 unsuccessful. Eventually, Amora returned home and fell in battle with the rest of the Asgardians 217 00:20:48,550 --> 00:20:53,613 when Loki successfully fulfilled the Ragnarok prophecies and caused the destruction of the 218 00:20:53,673 --> 00:20:59,237 Nine Realms. Amora was later restored to life along with the rest of her kind when Thor returned 219 00:20:59,297 --> 00:21:05,411 to Earth. Since Scourge was still dead, having fallen prior to Ragnarok, Amora magically attacked 220 00:21:05,451 --> 00:21:11,013 the World Tree Yggdrasil in an effort to resurrect her old ally, having come to the realization 221 00:21:11,153 --> 00:21:15,694 how much he meant to her. Thor and Loki stopped her, however, convincing her that bringing 222 00:21:15,834 --> 00:21:20,776 Scourge back from Valhalla would only dishonor his death. Amora wasn't the only one meddling 223 00:21:20,796 --> 00:21:25,457 with the World Tree, however, as Hela sent most of the Nine Realms to Hell after gaining the 224 00:21:25,497 --> 00:21:30,806 magical Twilight Sword. Amora teamed up with Thor to battle the Goddess of Death, helping 225 00:21:30,846 --> 00:21:35,588 him reunite with his hammer Mjolnir in order to win back the Twilight Sword, which Thor 226 00:21:35,668 --> 00:21:41,489 then entrusted to Heimdall. Later, Amora allied herself with the villainous dark elf Malekith, 227 00:21:41,890 --> 00:21:47,031 joining him in his war to take over the Nine Realms. She journeyed to Alfheim using her 228 00:21:47,071 --> 00:21:52,312 magic to manipulate Queen Elsa of the Light Elves into marrying Malekith, and then she 229 00:21:52,352 --> 00:21:59,754 invaded the dwarven realm of Nidavellir alongside the Eventually, the war came to Midgard, aka 230 00:21:59,874 --> 00:22:05,316 Earth's realm, and Amora took the continent of South America as her prize. After receiving 231 00:22:05,376 --> 00:22:10,597 a premonition of Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange coming to defeat her, she used a spell to swap 232 00:22:10,657 --> 00:22:14,839 the two heroes' bodies, though they were still able to defeat her, and Malekith's war was 233 00:22:14,919 --> 00:22:19,940 put to an end. Amora was then imprisoned beneath Asgard in the Root Dungeons before escaping 234 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:25,646 back to Midgard. There, Amora clashed once again with Captain Marvel. who tried to get her help 235 00:22:25,686 --> 00:22:30,870 in defeating one of Amora's future sons. She then met with her estranged twin sons that 236 00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:36,454 she had with an Asgardian palisade that she seduced years ago, rescuing the boys, Eirik 237 00:22:36,594 --> 00:22:42,378 and Alvi from an evil wizard named Pulsari, who had kidnapped them as infants. And that's 238 00:22:42,398 --> 00:22:48,302 her backstory. Powers-wise, the Enchantress has the physiology of an Asgardian god, meaning 239 00:22:48,322 --> 00:22:54,210 she is strong enough to lift around 25 tons, has enhanced durability, speed, longevity and 240 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:59,733 healing, as well as enhanced senses. She is among Asgard's strongest sorcerers, just below 241 00:22:59,773 --> 00:23:05,277 the level of Loki, the god of mischief. Enchantress can cast all matter of magic spells for a variety 242 00:23:05,317 --> 00:23:12,881 of effects, including, but not limited to, shapeshifting, illusion casting, teleportation, matter transmutation, 243 00:23:13,161 --> 00:23:19,505 hypnosis, telepathy, telekinesis, and manipulation of magical energies such as magical blasts 244 00:23:19,665 --> 00:23:24,909 and shields. Though her specialty is in the art of magical seduction, able to enthrall 245 00:23:25,009 --> 00:23:31,214 others to do her bidding with a kiss, mere words, or even a glance. She is quite intelligent, 246 00:23:31,374 --> 00:23:38,620 often thinking up devious and manipulative schemes. And? That's it. Okay, yeah, that's nothing! 247 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:47,487 You got nothing! You're gonna lose! Good day, sir! You stole fizzy lifting drinks! I didn't 248 00:23:47,507 --> 00:23:53,880 realize Enchantress was so, like, kinky. Like, like, is this is this speculation going to 249 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,723 turn into some kind of like erotic fanfiction? No, we can't let that happen. Like you tried 250 00:23:58,763 --> 00:24:04,807 to do with Catwoman and Hellcat and Poison Ivy and White Queen. All right. I'm not going to 251 00:24:04,827 --> 00:24:07,729 let that happen. We'll see. We'll see where it goes. 252 00:24:13,794 --> 00:24:18,676 Hey guys, Johnny DC here to remind all of you that the holidays are fast approaching and 253 00:24:18,696 --> 00:24:23,498 that there's no better time than now to start shopping for gifts for your loved ones. And 254 00:24:23,538 --> 00:24:28,660 if one of those loved ones happens to be a fan of this podcast, odds are they'd love something 255 00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:34,863 from cufflinks.com as it has a plethora of DC and Marvel men's fashion accessories such as 256 00:24:34,923 --> 00:24:41,045 cufflinks, money clips, and ties. 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But now that we've got their 264 00:25:24,921 --> 00:25:29,103 histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated 265 00:25:29,163 --> 00:25:34,746 matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation. But it's 266 00:25:34,786 --> 00:25:39,609 fun to imagine how this fight could play out. Alfred Jarvis, 9000. What are the rules of 267 00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:44,680 our speculation? Well I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no 268 00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:49,303 prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is 269 00:25:49,343 --> 00:25:53,947 that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the 270 00:25:53,987 --> 00:25:59,030 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart, in a nondescript environment that will 271 00:25:59,050 --> 00:26:04,374 have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 272 00:26:04,674 --> 00:26:10,054 The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it! Enchantress 273 00:26:10,334 --> 00:26:19,758 and Enchantress meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Enchantress. I think to just avoid 274 00:26:19,798 --> 00:26:25,480 confusion, I'm going to refer to Marvel's Enchantress as Amora for the purposes of the speculation, 275 00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:33,404 so we don't get confused. OK, I still think my Enchantress will go first because she's 276 00:26:33,424 --> 00:26:39,254 just a little bit more crazy. And I think she's going to start by hurling. a volley of green 277 00:26:39,314 --> 00:26:47,439 fireballs that crash into Amora and set her on fire. Boom! Magic Shield! Amora absorbs 278 00:26:47,479 --> 00:26:53,323 the fireballs with her magic shield and then she's gonna reshape that energy into magic 279 00:26:53,423 --> 00:27:00,667 tendrils that shoot out and wrap around Enchantress's arms and legs, just lifting her into midair 280 00:27:01,027 --> 00:27:07,710 and binding her there. And then Amora's gonna use a time spell. to age Enchantress centuries, 281 00:27:07,790 --> 00:27:14,092 like just turning her into this dusty old skeleton. Okay, that's fine. This dusty skeleton, her 282 00:27:14,332 --> 00:27:19,354 eyes are gonna glow green and she's gonna just like start cackling like an evil witch and 283 00:27:19,454 --> 00:27:24,855 grow to be like four stories tall so that she breaks free from her restraints. And then she's 284 00:27:24,895 --> 00:27:31,917 gonna raise her arms up and summon this magical dust storm with particulate that's gonna slice 285 00:27:31,977 --> 00:27:38,026 into Amora. and prevent her from being able to see anything as well. Okay, all right, so 286 00:27:38,086 --> 00:27:44,291 to block this magic dust storm, Amora is going to conjure up this magical mirror in front 287 00:27:44,311 --> 00:27:49,936 of her that's gonna reflect the particulate that's being directed at her back at Enchantress 288 00:27:50,256 --> 00:27:56,321 tenfold, which is gonna knock Enchantress to the ground and quells the storm. Then Amora 289 00:27:56,381 --> 00:28:01,365 is gonna step into the mirror that she conjured and the mirror vanishes with her inside of 290 00:28:01,385 --> 00:28:08,681 it. Okay, uh, well the magic that bombarded the giant skeleton Enchantress only empowered 291 00:28:08,722 --> 00:28:13,284 her because it was her own magic. So that's gonna blow away the oldness and reveal the 292 00:28:13,324 --> 00:28:19,768 young normal-sized Enchantress who, you know, she doesn't see Amora anywhere. So yeah, apparently 293 00:28:19,848 --> 00:28:24,851 Amora has left the battlefield, so I guess Enchantress wins. That's what she wants you to think. Suddenly 294 00:28:25,071 --> 00:28:31,186 Enchantress, she turns around and sees a reflection of herself. in this other magical mirror that 295 00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:38,029 pops up next to her, and Enchantress just becomes transfixed with her own reflection, like Narcissus 296 00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:45,232 staring at the pool. Okay, I see what you're doing here. Okay, Enchantress, she walks up 297 00:28:45,272 --> 00:28:53,436 to the mirror, approaching her reflection apprehensively, almost shyly at first, but then she and the 298 00:28:53,476 --> 00:29:00,258 reflection starts to kiss gently, but soon... Like before it even gets to that level of weirdness, 299 00:29:00,859 --> 00:29:07,800 Enchantress, you know, paralyzed, we'll say, by her own reflection. She gets blasted in 300 00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:12,182 the face with a magic beam that shoots through the mirror, shattering the mirror and revealing 301 00:29:12,222 --> 00:29:18,683 Amora once again on the battlefield. OK. Enchantress, you know, she's probably knocked to the ground. 302 00:29:19,484 --> 00:29:25,105 In fact, actually, she falls into the ground by turning herself intangible. And before Amora 303 00:29:25,405 --> 00:29:32,137 even has time to wonder where Enchantress went, this horde of like Netherworld spawn hands 304 00:29:32,417 --> 00:29:36,760 just burst from the ground beneath her and pull her down to the ground where they just tear 305 00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:43,605 her apart. Okay, uh, I'm gonna say that as the spawn pull Amora down into the ground, she's 306 00:29:43,625 --> 00:29:49,089 gonna expel this like bewitching spell that is gonna put all of these Netherworld spawn 307 00:29:49,209 --> 00:29:55,153 in her thrall. So as she gets back to her feet, you know, this entire army rises up from the 308 00:29:55,193 --> 00:30:00,958 ground. just ready to kick some Enchantress ass. Okay, but one of the spawn next to Amora 309 00:30:01,338 --> 00:30:06,803 isn't really a spawn, it's actually Enchantress in disguise, who is gonna generate this green 310 00:30:06,883 --> 00:30:12,208 flaming dagger when Amora has her back turned to her and Enchantress just stabs her from 311 00:30:12,248 --> 00:30:18,493 behind. All right, well Amora is no stranger to back shots, and she detects this attack 312 00:30:18,613 --> 00:30:24,790 coming because her mystic senses see that one of the spawn isn't under her control. So she's 313 00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:31,655 going to expel her astral form from her body just in time, thereby evading Enchantress's 314 00:30:31,895 --> 00:30:38,520 magic blade. And in her astral form, she's going to fly into Enchantress's body and cause the 315 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:45,185 Enchantress to just explode from within, leaving behind just June Moon on the battlefield. And 316 00:30:45,205 --> 00:30:50,629 then that's when Amora's spirit flies back into her body, magically healing it in the process. 317 00:30:51,530 --> 00:30:57,712 Okay, no way that works. If anything, I'm going to say that with that act, Amora exercises 318 00:30:57,752 --> 00:31:02,874 the succubus from June. But June is the only thing stopping the succubus from essentially 319 00:31:02,914 --> 00:31:09,716 taking over reality. So that's what the succubus does. She reforms her body from this dark cloud, 320 00:31:10,376 --> 00:31:16,527 and she's going to open this glowing green fissure. beneath Amora from which this magical green 321 00:31:16,567 --> 00:31:22,670 lava just explodes upward in like this super volcano level blast that's just gonna incinerate 322 00:31:22,811 --> 00:31:32,396 Amora completely. Match over. Oh well I guess Amora's dead. Yep she's dead. Except Enchantress 323 00:31:32,436 --> 00:31:38,859 sees her charred body. It's just an illusion. And when Enchantress approaches the real Amora 324 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:46,523 just grabs her arm from out of nowhere and kissy kiss smoochy smooch on her lips. Basically 325 00:31:46,603 --> 00:31:53,026 confining Enchantress to a lifetime of servitude to the Asgardian goddess. Okay, I mean, Enchantress 326 00:31:53,066 --> 00:32:00,009 is shocked by this at first. But like as Amora's kiss lingers, Enchantress feels complete in 327 00:32:00,089 --> 00:32:06,652 a way that she never has before. And you know, after- So you admit that Amora wins then. Damn 328 00:32:06,712 --> 00:32:15,243 it. No. All right. We'll go ahead and leave the match there. We'll say that either Enchantress 329 00:32:15,283 --> 00:32:22,425 blows up Amora in the Super Volcano Magic Blast, or Amora seduces Enchantress and turns her 330 00:32:22,485 --> 00:32:27,126 into her eternal slave. We'll see which of these scenarios happens by inputting the stats of 331 00:32:27,146 --> 00:32:33,768 these characters and running 1000 simulations, and then coming back with a winner. AJ9K, hit 332 00:32:33,808 --> 00:32:41,450 it! Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. Okay, this was 333 00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:50,394 a struggle for me stats-wise because DC's Enchantress is definitely not the physical specimen that 334 00:32:50,454 --> 00:32:55,896 Marvel's Enchantress is, being that Marvel's Enchantress is Asgardian. Right, yeah, you 335 00:32:55,916 --> 00:33:00,878 know, just due to her natural physiology, Marvel's Enchantress has increased strength, increased 336 00:33:00,918 --> 00:33:06,501 durability that the Enchantress really doesn't have. That being said, Enchantress, we said, 337 00:33:06,561 --> 00:33:11,793 was a better fighter. than Marvel's Enchantress because she's actually gone to blows with Superman 338 00:33:11,953 --> 00:33:17,738 using her magical fists. Whereas Marvel's Enchantress, I don't think I've seen ever throw a punch. 339 00:33:18,018 --> 00:33:22,302 She usually prefers to have other people do the fighting for her. That's kind of the nature 340 00:33:22,362 --> 00:33:28,147 of her whole manipulation based magic. Right. When it came down to things like movement speed, 341 00:33:28,267 --> 00:33:33,291 evasiveness, perception, and even versatility, you said that they were pretty much equal. 342 00:33:33,812 --> 00:33:37,983 Yeah. You know, since they're both powerful sorceresses. they can essentially almost do 343 00:33:38,123 --> 00:33:42,687 anything due to the nature of their magic powers. So taking all of the stats into consideration, 344 00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:48,112 Joseph, who do you think came out on top in this match? I'm gonna say Marvel's Enchantress, 345 00:33:48,292 --> 00:33:54,638 just due to her Asgardian physiology. We didn't run any polls on Instagram, but I think that 346 00:33:54,678 --> 00:34:00,743 if we did run a poll, our Instagram followers would have clearly shown a preference for Enchantress. 347 00:34:00,823 --> 00:34:05,778 Oh, for sure. Yeah, definitely Enchantress. Well, I have the results right here. Let's 348 00:34:05,798 --> 00:34:12,660 find out who won. AJ9K, the results please. Here you are, sir. The winner of the matchup 349 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:23,963 between Enchantress and Enchantress is Enchantress. She totally stopped Enchantress winning 64.9% 350 00:34:25,444 --> 00:34:33,307 of the 1000 matches. Enchantress, meanwhile, only won 35.1%. I gotta say, I'm not too surprised 351 00:34:33,327 --> 00:34:38,833 that Enchantress won. Um, I think I saw that coming from the get-go, which, you know, depending 352 00:34:39,053 --> 00:34:44,078 on your perspective, you're either thrilled about or you think is a bummer. In the end, 353 00:34:44,558 --> 00:34:49,984 Enchantress just had too much going for her over Enchantress. I'm glad you agree! Actually, 354 00:34:50,024 --> 00:34:55,109 no, I don't. I hate it, because it was Marvel's Enchantress that won. Ha ha ha! I figured. 355 00:34:58,222 --> 00:35:02,986 Uh, yeah, it was, I mean, it was the Asgardian physiology that put her over the edge statistically, 356 00:35:03,046 --> 00:35:08,491 right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And while you can say things like, you know, strength stat 357 00:35:08,511 --> 00:35:13,835 doesn't matter to DC's Enchantress who can essentially lift things through telekinesis, I mean, so 358 00:35:13,855 --> 00:35:17,999 can Marvel's Enchantress, right? So when they cancel each other out like that, you're just 359 00:35:18,099 --> 00:35:23,584 left with things like physical stats to go off of. And at the end of the day, Marvel's Enchantress 360 00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:28,578 just outclasses her in that regard. I think what really hurt DC's Enchantress was actually 361 00:35:28,658 --> 00:35:35,520 June Moon, because when Enchantress is not tied to her host, she's insanely powerful. She could 362 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:40,922 defeat the entire Justice League level power, like Spectre level power. And I think in that 363 00:35:40,962 --> 00:35:46,863 mode, she's definitely powerful enough to take on Marvel's Enchantress. It's just that rarely 364 00:35:46,903 --> 00:35:52,565 happens in the comics, especially as June gains more and more control over the Succubus entity. 365 00:35:52,745 --> 00:35:57,331 So you're lucky I counted for June in the stats. You son of a bitch. Otherwise, Enchantress 366 00:35:57,351 --> 00:36:05,577 would have won. Enchantress never would have won. I agree. Yeah, I agree. Wait, what? All 367 00:36:05,637 --> 00:36:08,639 right, guys, that does it for this duel. Let us know what you thought about the results 368 00:36:08,659 --> 00:36:15,223 by writing to us at dynamicduelpodcast.gmail.com or by visiting us on Instagram or X. 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