1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a Dynamike Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,450 --> 00:00:29,731 Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:29,771 --> 00:00:35,673 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:36,053 --> 00:00:42,395 I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we're doing a duel 5 00:00:42,675 --> 00:00:50,237 between two evil Superman-type characters from alternate dimensions, Ultraman against Hyperion. 6 00:00:50,637 --> 00:00:55,940 Hyperion's not evil. What are you talking about? It wasn't he like a bad guy for a while. No, 7 00:00:56,301 --> 00:01:01,845 he's like he's misguided sometimes. We'll just say that. But he's a hero. Pretty sure in supreme 8 00:01:01,865 --> 00:01:08,851 power, he was bad. That was the even Marvel continuity. Those Marvel Max. OK. Anyway, Hyperion's 9 00:01:08,871 --> 00:01:13,395 a good guy, and he's going to beat the shit out of Ultraman. That's all you need to know. 10 00:01:13,895 --> 00:01:20,361 And all you need to know is I got I don't know. I got nothing. I'll think of something later 11 00:01:20,421 --> 00:01:24,655 on in this episode. Before that, we're going to break down the comic book movie news from 12 00:01:24,675 --> 00:01:29,620 the past week, of which we have some casting news. Millie Alcock has been cast as Supergirl 13 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:36,966 in the DC Universe, and Geraldine Viswanathan and Lewis Pullman have been cast in the MCU's 14 00:01:37,066 --> 00:01:41,550 Thunderbolts. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free 15 00:01:41,570 --> 00:01:46,073 to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially 16 00:01:46,113 --> 00:01:53,426 intelligent dual simulator, AJ-9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why 17 00:01:53,486 --> 00:01:58,289 hello there. Do you love listening and chatting about Marvel and DC? Then become a part of 18 00:01:58,309 --> 00:02:03,412 the dynamic dual community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. The dynamic 19 00:02:03,452 --> 00:02:08,836 two-o tier lets you listen to this podcast without ads and gives you access to its discord chat 20 00:02:08,856 --> 00:02:13,690 group, where you can chat with Johnny DC and Marvelous Joe. The Fantastic Four tier gives 21 00:02:13,730 --> 00:02:18,552 you that and more with two bonus episodes each month, including bloopers and top ten shows 22 00:02:18,592 --> 00:02:23,375 where Johnny and Joe count down your favourite Marvel and DC subjects. The X-Force tier makes 23 00:02:23,395 --> 00:02:28,017 you an executive producer of Dynamic Duel, where every month you help the host choose what to 24 00:02:28,057 --> 00:02:33,219 review and who to fight against each other. And finally, the Dynamite Podcast Network tier 25 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:38,562 allows aspiring podcasters to create their own battle-focused show using this Monte Carlo 26 00:02:38,602 --> 00:02:39,142 simulator. 27 00:02:58,834 --> 00:03:03,657 Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone who supports the podcast. Guys, be sure to tune into the 28 00:03:03,777 --> 00:03:08,460 Max Destruction Podcast which is part of the Dynamike Podcast Network which pits your favorite 29 00:03:08,540 --> 00:03:13,854 action heroes from film and television against each other This week hosts Ken and Scotty, 30 00:03:13,874 --> 00:03:19,656 you're gonna find out who'd win in a fight between Robocop and Wolfcop. And on the Send Your World 31 00:03:19,696 --> 00:03:24,457 podcast, hosts Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between your favorite anime characters. 32 00:03:24,857 --> 00:03:30,559 This week, we'll find out who would win between Fire Forces Takihisa and Hinawa versus Blue 33 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:37,061 Exorcists Yukio Okumura. And on the Console Combat podcast, hosts John and Dean find out 34 00:03:37,101 --> 00:03:41,319 who'd win in fights between your favorite video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they 35 00:03:41,359 --> 00:03:45,563 continued into round three of their tournament speculating on who would win between Assassin's 36 00:03:45,603 --> 00:03:52,269 Creed's Ezio Auditore vs. Sonic the Hedgehog's Tails and Metal Gear's Revolver Ocelot vs. 37 00:03:52,330 --> 00:03:58,015 Mortal Kombat's Scorpion. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen 38 00:03:58,055 --> 00:04:03,600 to all of the shows in the Dynamike Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick 39 00:04:03,821 --> 00:04:09,975 to the no prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the 40 00:04:10,015 --> 00:04:14,816 Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel 41 00:04:14,856 --> 00:04:19,958 gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week we asked, who is your favorite 42 00:04:20,058 --> 00:04:25,999 villain from a Marvel or DC television series and why? And this is coming off the news that 43 00:04:26,059 --> 00:04:31,221 Wilson Bethel will be returning as Bullseye in the Daredevil Born Again Disney Plus series 44 00:04:31,261 --> 00:04:35,758 next year. We got quite a few answers. So let's break down the honorable mentions before revealing 45 00:04:35,798 --> 00:04:41,841 this week's no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to... Miggy Mathengian, who said... 46 00:04:42,221 --> 00:04:48,584 Hey what's up guys, it's Miggy. My favorite DC TV villain is Eivartan from The Flash Season 47 00:04:48,744 --> 00:04:53,966 1. I think his motivation was pretty unique because he just wanted to get home, so you 48 00:04:53,986 --> 00:04:59,268 can sympathize with that while still disliking his methods. Also his relationship with the 49 00:05:00,088 --> 00:05:05,599 protagonist was also very unique because it started out out of pure resentment, but it 50 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:11,563 evolved into a love-hate mentorship. Thanks guys. Yeah, Eobard Thawne was the reverse Flash 51 00:05:11,664 --> 00:05:18,148 antagonist in the Flash CW series. Now the character was played by multiple actors over the course 52 00:05:18,168 --> 00:05:23,912 of the series, namely Tom Kavanaugh and Matt Letcher, but every time he was on screen, he 53 00:05:23,932 --> 00:05:29,016 was a force to be reckoned with. He was just pure evil in how much he wanted to bring down 54 00:05:29,276 --> 00:05:33,227 the series protagonist Barry Allen. Yeah, I never watched The Flash show, but it seemed 55 00:05:33,247 --> 00:05:38,112 like Reverse Flash was the best out of all the villains that were on all the seasons. Yeah, 56 00:05:38,152 --> 00:05:43,978 I didn't watch the whole thing, but I did watch the final battle of the final episode and that 57 00:05:43,998 --> 00:05:48,222 was pretty cool. It was really cool to see the Reverse Flash and all the other speedsters 58 00:05:48,242 --> 00:05:52,686 that The Flash had gone up against throughout the series in that episode. Great answer, Miggy. 59 00:05:52,726 --> 00:05:59,146 Our next honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, Hey guys, Travis here. So my answer 60 00:05:59,166 --> 00:06:04,868 would have to be Bushmaster from Luke Cage Season 2. I think he was an amazing villain, had a 61 00:06:04,908 --> 00:06:11,030 tragic backstory, an interesting power set. I really love him as an antagonist and a villain 62 00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:15,771 and seeing that fight, that main fight between him and Luke Cage was cool as well as them 63 00:06:15,811 --> 00:06:21,693 teaming up really makes me wish that he could have stayed as sort of a new partner for Luke 64 00:06:21,713 --> 00:06:27,138 Cage in Season 3, but hey, what will he do? Yeah, Bushmaster in season two of Luke Cage 65 00:06:27,198 --> 00:06:33,080 was incredible. He had a great backstory and he was quite the formidable challenge for Luke 66 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,141 Cage. Like he totally whipped his ass early on in that season. And then, you know, Luke 67 00:06:37,161 --> 00:06:40,882 Cage had to grow as a character in order to finally face him again. The Luke Cage television 68 00:06:40,902 --> 00:06:46,403 show had some great villains across its two season run. Like in the first season, you had 69 00:06:46,543 --> 00:06:51,625 Cottonmouth and Black Mariah. Although you also had Diamondback, which really sucked. But like 70 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:56,267 season two had no such villain problem. because Bushmaster was just phenomenal. And Black Mariah 71 00:06:56,288 --> 00:07:01,692 was phenomenal too. Yeah, Luke Cage season two is like one of the most underrated, I think, 72 00:07:02,052 --> 00:07:07,236 seasons of superhero television in existence. I feel like not enough people saw that, and 73 00:07:07,336 --> 00:07:12,621 it was really good. In part, thanks to Bushmaster, fantastic villain. Great answer, Travis. Our 74 00:07:12,661 --> 00:07:19,066 next honorable mention goes to Judson Batty, who said. Hi guys, Judson Batty here. I think 75 00:07:19,126 --> 00:07:27,024 that the best villain from a Marvel or DC project, show is Deathstroke from Arrow season two. 76 00:07:27,284 --> 00:07:34,189 He was played incredibly well with subtleties that made the performance never get boring. 77 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:39,253 He was recognizable as the character from the comics and made a hero as selfless as Green 78 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:43,976 Arrow for his own life and not just that of those around him, which is quite an impressive 79 00:07:44,016 --> 00:07:49,540 feat. Yeah, Deathstroke has been the villain of a number of television seasons, including 80 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:54,644 like Titan season two. but he was never more frightening and more effectively used than 81 00:07:54,704 --> 00:08:02,030 in Arrow Season 2. The fact that you set up this character of Slade as being an ally of 82 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:07,435 the main character Oliver Queen throughout Season 1, only to see that relationship deteriorate 83 00:08:07,475 --> 00:08:11,558 in the Season 2 flashbacks, and just see the consequences of everything that happened on 84 00:08:11,598 --> 00:08:17,884 the island in the present day, it was terrifying. He was like a great monster movie character, 85 00:08:17,924 --> 00:08:22,146 almost like Michael Myers or something like that, but like... smart and just deadly and 86 00:08:22,206 --> 00:08:27,168 fast, really wicked, really awesome, fantastic answer. We want to give a quick shout out to 87 00:08:27,228 --> 00:08:31,849 Colby Hentges and Scott Camacho for taking the time to visit our website and leave their answers 88 00:08:31,889 --> 00:08:38,531 as well. But the winner of this week's Snow Prize is Alex Fowler who said, What is up, 89 00:08:38,591 --> 00:08:43,452 gentlemen? This is Alex Fowler, huge fan, been listening for a long time. My favorite depiction 90 00:08:43,492 --> 00:08:49,502 of a villain in a Marvel or DC series. I'm a DC fan, but I've got to say. Vincent D'Onofrio's 91 00:08:49,542 --> 00:08:56,644 depiction of Kingpin in Daredevil is just great. He's complex. You understand why he is the 92 00:08:56,664 --> 00:09:01,925 way he is. He's depicted intensely. He's just great, guys. You know what? You guys are doing 93 00:09:01,965 --> 00:09:09,287 a great job. Keep up the great work. Huge, huge fan. Take care. Bye-bye. Yeah, I mean, this 94 00:09:09,327 --> 00:09:14,989 is the answer, right? Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin so epitomizes the character and I think even 95 00:09:15,049 --> 00:09:19,438 enhances what everybody's perception of him was from the comics. You know, Kingpin was 96 00:09:19,478 --> 00:09:23,740 always the fat bald guy who for some reason could go toe to toe with Spider-Man. I think 97 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,662 watching Vincent D'Onofrio's intensity as he plays the character, not only in Daredevil 98 00:09:29,702 --> 00:09:33,924 seasons 1 through 3, but also I think in the recent Echo television series, the character 99 00:09:33,944 --> 00:09:39,626 is so believable, so threatening. Vincent D'Onofrio is phenomenal. Yeah, I'm a DC fan just like 100 00:09:39,726 --> 00:09:45,268 Alex, and even I admit that Vincent D'Onofrio was like born to play Kingpin. It's a sight 101 00:09:45,309 --> 00:09:49,351 to behold. And there's not much more to say about it than that. Great answer, Alex. You 102 00:09:49,371 --> 00:09:53,397 win this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay 103 00:09:53,417 --> 00:09:57,522 tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now 104 00:09:57,562 --> 00:09:59,545 that that's done, onto the news. 105 00:10:04,974 --> 00:10:11,255 Okay, so a few weeks ago we learned that the finalists for the casting of Laura Zor-El, 106 00:10:11,355 --> 00:10:19,438 aka Supergirl, in James Gunn's DC Cinematic Universe was down to McDonaldi from some Disney 107 00:10:19,618 --> 00:10:26,120 zombie TV show and Millie Alcock from HBO's House of the Dragon. And it's been revealed 108 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,718 that Millie has won the role of Supergirl, beating out McDonaldi. Not gonna lie. I was actually 109 00:10:32,798 --> 00:10:37,702 rooting for McDonaldy for the role. And this is probably because my daughters have watched 110 00:10:37,782 --> 00:10:42,366 that zombie Disney television series. So I was familiar with her. I haven't seen House of 111 00:10:42,386 --> 00:10:47,410 the Dragon yet, but now I know I definitely need to because I've heard great things about 112 00:10:47,450 --> 00:10:52,454 Millie Alcock's performance in that even though she's only in two episodes of the series. But 113 00:10:52,554 --> 00:10:56,638 yeah, she's our super girl. And all I want to know is how the heck did like this eight year 114 00:10:56,698 --> 00:11:02,062 old get this part? Right. Not going to lie. That was my first reaction to. Apparently though, 115 00:11:02,082 --> 00:11:09,265 she's 23 years old. She looks 12, but she's 23. She's 5'5". You know, I've seen some fan 116 00:11:09,385 --> 00:11:14,887 art, some better than others, where she looks fairly decent as the character. Not as good 117 00:11:14,907 --> 00:11:19,389 as McDonnelly, but I'm not gonna hold that against her, because again, she's supposedly a fantastic 118 00:11:19,469 --> 00:11:24,391 actress. And I like the fact that James Gunn would choose the better actress over the more 119 00:11:24,451 --> 00:11:29,798 comics accurate depiction, I guess you could say. She's like the female Will Poulter. She 120 00:11:29,818 --> 00:11:35,742 looks exactly like Will Poulter. You know who you look exactly like? You? That's fair, I 121 00:11:35,762 --> 00:11:41,607 shouldn't say anything else then. Ha ha ha. To be fair, I stole the Will Poulter line from 122 00:11:41,807 --> 00:11:46,211 Meggie on the Discord channel. That's what he said and it cracked me up because it's true. 123 00:11:47,512 --> 00:11:53,737 She just does not look like Supergirl to me and I'm really thinking that we may need to 124 00:11:53,777 --> 00:11:59,978 realign our expectations for this role. She may not look like Supergirl. but she may act 125 00:11:59,998 --> 00:12:04,340 like Supergirl. And according to some of the scans I've seen from the woman of tomorrow 126 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:10,042 trade paperback, the character is a total badass. Oh yeah, Supergirl in that comic series is 127 00:12:10,062 --> 00:12:16,545 a very hard edged character. And maybe Millie Alcock has that hard edge to her that the other 128 00:12:16,605 --> 00:12:22,088 actresses did not. Ultimately, she's the lead in a film that is probably gonna be really, 129 00:12:22,128 --> 00:12:28,126 really expensive to make. So I hope they put their chips in the right hand. But I'm optimistic 130 00:12:28,167 --> 00:12:34,171 because so far the rest of the other casting in the DCU has been spot on. Yeah, Millie Alcock 131 00:12:34,191 --> 00:12:39,656 might be all, you know, 5'5 and look like she's a teenager, but I will also admit that she 132 00:12:39,716 --> 00:12:45,100 also looks feisty and like she could kick some ass if she needs to. We've recently seen Supergirl 133 00:12:45,180 --> 00:12:50,745 in quite a few projects as of late, including the Supergirl television series and the Flash 134 00:12:50,805 --> 00:12:55,409 movie. So Millie Alcock has some big shoes to fill. And that brings us to our question of 135 00:12:55,449 --> 00:12:55,789 the week. 136 00:13:00,366 --> 00:13:07,068 Who has been your favorite Supergirl actress across film and television, and why? Record 137 00:13:07,088 --> 00:13:10,789 your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right 138 00:13:10,809 --> 00:13:14,550 hand corner of the screen which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could 139 00:13:14,590 --> 00:13:17,951 be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the 140 00:13:17,991 --> 00:13:22,392 podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that 141 00:13:22,412 --> 00:13:28,210 we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before February 10th. In Marvel News, we learned this 142 00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:33,992 past week that the Thunderbolts has cast two new roles in the film, including Geraldine 143 00:13:34,052 --> 00:13:40,435 Viswanathan. We're not quite sure who she's playing yet, but it appears that Lewis Pullman 144 00:13:40,875 --> 00:13:46,458 has nabbed the role of Robert Reynolds, aka The Sentry, taking over the spot that was left 145 00:13:46,498 --> 00:13:52,420 behind by Steven Yeun. Now Lewis Pullman is an actor that I'm not too familiar with other 146 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,230 than his parentage. He is the son of Bill Pullman. who we all know as the badass president from 147 00:13:58,310 --> 00:14:03,092 Independence Day, and also while you were sleeping. And a bunch of other great stuff. Bill Pullman's 148 00:14:03,112 --> 00:14:08,655 a great actor. His son, I'm hoping, is great as well. He was in Top Gun Maverick, and he 149 00:14:08,675 --> 00:14:13,617 was also in Bad Times at the El Royale, and recently Lessons in Chemistry with Brie Larson. 150 00:14:14,077 --> 00:14:18,859 I saw parts of all three of those, and I don't remember him. Well, you're gonna remember him 151 00:14:18,899 --> 00:14:23,801 now that he's playing the Sentry. He looks the part, you know, he looks the part of Bob Reynolds, 152 00:14:23,861 --> 00:14:27,810 I should say, maybe not necessarily the Sentry. It will be interesting to see him bulked out 153 00:14:27,990 --> 00:14:32,492 with like golden flowing hair and stuff like that. But you know, he has time to bulk up 154 00:14:32,952 --> 00:14:37,314 if he needs to. I don't know if they're going to go for like the drug addict Rob Reynolds 155 00:14:37,354 --> 00:14:41,936 look or the totally shredded sentry, but we'll see. Whatever actor was going to play the sentry 156 00:14:41,996 --> 00:14:46,938 needed to convincingly convey both a light and a dark side, considering the sentry's dark 157 00:14:47,319 --> 00:14:53,041 shadow self is the void. So it's really a dual role here. Do we know what character Geraldine 158 00:14:53,061 --> 00:14:58,299 Viswanathan is going to play? No, but she did replace Ayo Adabiri, who had to depart the 159 00:14:58,319 --> 00:15:03,361 project due to scheduling issues, just like Steven Yeun. Cool. This is like the most boring 160 00:15:03,401 --> 00:15:07,322 casting announcement ever. It's like a whole bunch of people we don't know playing roles 161 00:15:07,342 --> 00:15:11,464 that we aren't sure about. What are you talking about? We know who the Sentry is. Yeah, but 162 00:15:11,524 --> 00:15:15,965 I mean, the Sentry is not that cool. Do you want to die? I mean, we all die someday. 163 00:15:19,394 --> 00:15:22,876 Sentry is badass, you don't know what you're talking about. And I think this is pretty interesting 164 00:15:22,916 --> 00:15:27,300 news. I'm looking forward to seeing how Lewis Pullman plays the character. You know what 165 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:34,505 we need? We need like some fucking costume tests. Like we're getting casting news without costume 166 00:15:34,545 --> 00:15:39,329 tests. I wanna see these people in the roles. Kevin Feige and James Gunn, come on. Well, 167 00:15:39,349 --> 00:15:43,852 maybe we'll get some news at this year's San Diego Comic-Con. I bet this year's Comic-Con 168 00:15:43,932 --> 00:15:49,076 is gonna be so cool. Like I'm looking forward to it more than I have in a long time. It's 169 00:15:49,236 --> 00:15:52,458 because there's only a few movies coming out this year. So there's a lot more to look forward 170 00:15:52,498 --> 00:15:56,261 to in the coming years than there is this year. Yeah, the sooner we get through this year, 171 00:15:56,321 --> 00:16:03,486 the better, man, for real. Let's just fast forward 2024. Just have a ton of fun because time flies, 172 00:16:03,506 --> 00:16:08,429 apparently. No, I'm looking forward to Deadpool three. Better be lots of fun. It will be. We 173 00:16:08,449 --> 00:16:09,009 all know it will be. 174 00:16:16,366 --> 00:16:19,728 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and move into 175 00:16:19,828 --> 00:16:25,952 our main event where we find out who would win in a fight between the Crime Syndicate's Ultraman 176 00:16:26,352 --> 00:16:28,813 versus the Squadron Supremes Hyperion. 177 00:16:44,078 --> 00:16:50,481 Alright, Ultraman versus Hyperion. Ultraman of course is the evil Earth 3 counterpart to 178 00:16:50,581 --> 00:16:57,645 Superman and Hyperion is the Superman, one of many Superman counterparts in Marvel. You've 179 00:16:57,665 --> 00:17:02,668 got Hyperion, you've got Gladiator, you've got the Sentry, you've got a whole bunch of people 180 00:17:02,688 --> 00:17:07,330 because Marvel's a big ripoff company. I mean not really though if you think about it. I 181 00:17:07,390 --> 00:17:14,418 just did and I just revealed that was true. Now Hyperion is cool. He's the leader of the 182 00:17:14,458 --> 00:17:20,520 Squadron Supreme, who is a team that had a fantastic run in the mid-1980s, even before Watchmen 183 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:26,221 came out, that really started to break down and deconstruct the superhero mythos. And really 184 00:17:26,241 --> 00:17:31,383 what Marvel was doing was they were trying to tell the story using these DC character archetypes 185 00:17:31,523 --> 00:17:38,105 to explore what would it be like if they were more authoritarian and really do things that 186 00:17:38,305 --> 00:17:42,838 DC couldn't really do with their IP at the time. And really, it was a huge influence, I think, 187 00:17:42,858 --> 00:17:48,260 to Alan Moore's Watchmen, who told a similar story, but those characters were more analogs 188 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:54,361 to the Charlton characters, but fantastic stories. You know, I knew about the Squadron Supreme 189 00:17:54,421 --> 00:17:58,562 legacy as being something like that. I didn't realize it came before Watchmen, though. I'll 190 00:17:58,582 --> 00:18:03,324 have to read it. It's good. It's really good. I'll definitely go into major spoilers about 191 00:18:03,344 --> 00:18:08,125 that story within my Hyperion background, but I hope it'll convince a lot of people to check 192 00:18:08,145 --> 00:18:13,397 it out. Yeah, there's... several versions of Hyperion, right? Correct, yeah. So there was 193 00:18:13,437 --> 00:18:18,801 the original Hyperion from the Squadron Supreme, there was Hyperion from Squadron Sinister, 194 00:18:19,162 --> 00:18:24,626 which was an evil doppelganger version of Squadron Supreme, then there was also Supreme Powers 195 00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:29,190 Hyperion, which was a line in the Marvel Max imprint, and then two other Hyperions found 196 00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:34,735 their way to the Marvel Primary 616 universe. I don't think we've mentioned this yet, but 197 00:18:34,775 --> 00:18:39,138 this is actually a multiversal duel. That's the whole reason why we're doing this. Oh yes, 198 00:18:39,198 --> 00:18:46,180 so of course Ultraman was in the recent Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 1 animated 199 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,663 film. We were supposed to review that after Echo, so this is a tie into that. But also, 200 00:18:51,823 --> 00:18:56,725 you know, between Crisis on Infinite Earths and Madame Web, we were looking to do these 201 00:18:56,765 --> 00:19:01,587 multiversal duels. So this is one of them. Yeah, we've done several multiversal duels over the 202 00:19:01,628 --> 00:19:07,133 course of this show, including Batman Beyond vs. Spider-Man 2099, Cosmic Gross Rider vs. 203 00:19:07,193 --> 00:19:12,297 The Batman Who Laughs, and we've done Kingdom Come Superman vs. Maestro. So it's always neat 204 00:19:12,337 --> 00:19:18,143 to explore these universes outside of the primary Marvel and DC continuity. Yeah, and we'll do 205 00:19:18,203 --> 00:19:23,347 so in the characters' backstories. Before that, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred 206 00:19:23,387 --> 00:19:30,155 Jarvis 9000. AJ 9K. Tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our dual matchups. 207 00:19:31,076 --> 00:19:35,377 Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 208 00:19:35,858 --> 00:19:41,540 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic 209 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:47,122 model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics 210 00:19:47,162 --> 00:19:51,844 along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 211 00:19:52,244 --> 00:19:56,999 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid. from which the DC characters' 212 00:19:57,019 --> 00:20:02,203 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included, such as range, damage 213 00:20:02,223 --> 00:20:07,648 potential, versatility, and perception, in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 214 00:20:08,128 --> 00:20:12,932 The results of the 1,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 215 00:20:12,972 --> 00:20:17,436 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability 216 00:20:17,476 --> 00:20:23,261 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 217 00:20:23,798 --> 00:20:28,279 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 218 00:20:28,299 --> 00:20:32,181 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 219 00:20:32,221 --> 00:20:37,784 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 220 00:20:37,804 --> 00:20:42,165 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 221 00:20:43,586 --> 00:20:48,127 Thanks AJ9K, before we run the simulations though, we'd like to break down each character's histories 222 00:20:48,147 --> 00:20:53,190 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 223 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:58,252 would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel backstory, 224 00:20:58,312 --> 00:21:04,334 so let me go ahead and tell you all about Hyperion. Beyond the Earth-616 mainstream Marvel universe, 225 00:21:04,774 --> 00:21:11,437 an adjacent reality known as Earth-712 was the home of a team of superheroes called the Squadron 226 00:21:11,497 --> 00:21:17,519 Supreme. The team was led by a hero named Hyperion, who was the last surviving member of a race 227 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:23,500 of Eternals whose planet had died. Sent to live on Earth as a baby, Hyperion was raised by 228 00:21:23,541 --> 00:21:29,162 a loving family who named him Mark Milton, and instilled a strong moral code. Growing up as 229 00:21:29,182 --> 00:21:34,563 the hero Hyperion, he moved to Cosmopolis, where he worked at a newspaper as a cartoonist, and 230 00:21:34,603 --> 00:21:40,425 fell in love with reporter Lonnie Latimer. During his career as a superhero, he befriended fellow 231 00:21:40,485 --> 00:21:47,729 adventurer Nighthawk, aka Batman, and the two joined forces with Power Princess, aka Wonder 232 00:21:47,769 --> 00:21:56,394 Woman, Amphibian, aka Aquaman, the Blur, aka Flash, Dr. Spectrum, aka Green Lantern, and 233 00:21:56,494 --> 00:22:03,298 the Skrull hero Skymax, aka Martian Manhunter, to form the Squadron Supreme. Together, they 234 00:22:03,338 --> 00:22:07,821 were the world's finest protectors, rising to fight and defeat any threat to planet Earth. 235 00:22:08,201 --> 00:22:13,505 In one adventure, The elder of the universe known as the Grandmaster created an evil duplicate 236 00:22:13,545 --> 00:22:19,009 of the team and called it the Squadron Sinister. In a cosmic wager against a variant of the 237 00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:23,693 villain King the Conqueror, the Grandmaster pit the Squadron Sinister against Earth-616's 238 00:22:24,714 --> 00:22:31,099 Avengers in a contest of champions. The Avengers won the battle. Like, super easily mind you. 239 00:22:31,219 --> 00:22:36,386 Bullshiiiit. And though the Grandmaster and King's bet was over, The Avengers later found 240 00:22:36,406 --> 00:22:42,989 themselves accidentally transported to Earth-712, where they met the Squadron Supreme. After 241 00:22:43,009 --> 00:22:47,431 a brief misunderstanding where they confused them for the Squadron Sinister, the two teams 242 00:22:47,471 --> 00:22:52,533 eventually joined forces to defeat a mutant villain named Brainchild, before the Avengers 243 00:22:52,613 --> 00:22:58,015 returned to their home reality. Later, the Squadron became mind-controlled by an evil entity known 244 00:22:58,095 --> 00:23:03,510 as Overmind, and the team ravaged the United States into an apocalyptic state. However, 245 00:23:03,650 --> 00:23:08,774 Earth-616's Defenders team were able to travel to their dimension and free the Squadron and 246 00:23:08,814 --> 00:23:14,139 combine their might to defeat Overmind. The Defenders then returned to their home reality, 247 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:20,605 but Earth-712's America was left in chaos. You can learn more about King the Conqueror and 248 00:23:20,625 --> 00:23:24,688 his duel against Professor Zoom, more about the Avengers and their duel against the Justice 249 00:23:24,728 --> 00:23:29,393 League, and more about the Defenders and their duel against the Suicide Squad. With the United 250 00:23:29,433 --> 00:23:34,543 States falling apart, Hyperion and his teammates decided that with their combined knowledge 251 00:23:34,563 --> 00:23:40,506 and power, they could restore the country and transform it into a utopia. The team declared 252 00:23:40,646 --> 00:23:46,509 martial law and usurped the US government, implementing a series of sweeping changes that included 253 00:23:46,609 --> 00:23:51,691 a behavior modification program to inhibit the criminal instincts of prison inmates. They 254 00:23:51,771 --> 00:23:57,534 also destroyed all firearms and replaced them with personal force field devices, and developed 255 00:23:57,714 --> 00:24:02,796 medical cryogenic technology to preserve those who were near death until such time they could 256 00:24:02,836 --> 00:24:07,298 be restored to health. Though the squadron's reforms successfully turned the planet into 257 00:24:07,318 --> 00:24:12,480 a paradise without crime, poverty, and sickness, their new system of order was not without its 258 00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:18,543 setbacks. The hero known as the Golden Archer, aka Green Arrow, was removed from the team 259 00:24:18,683 --> 00:24:23,525 after it was discovered he was using the behavior modification process to brainwash his teammate 260 00:24:23,625 --> 00:24:30,047 Lady Lark aka Black Canary, to fall in love with him. Nuke, aka Firestorm, went on a crazed 261 00:24:30,087 --> 00:24:34,829 rampage after learning the radiation from his body had killed his parents, forcing the Squadron 262 00:24:34,869 --> 00:24:39,430 to kill him. Several members left the Squadron after becoming disgusted with its methods, 263 00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:45,012 including Amphibian and Nighthawk, the latter of whom created his own team of heroes and 264 00:24:45,052 --> 00:24:50,282 former villains called the Redeemers who would rise to oppose the Squadron. The two groups 265 00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:56,028 clashed in a brutal fight in which several members on each side were killed. When Hyperion saw 266 00:24:56,148 --> 00:25:01,653 Nighthawk perish in the battle, he became horrified at what was happening and realized that his 267 00:25:01,713 --> 00:25:06,598 late friend was right. That although their intentions were good, the Squadron Supreme had become 268 00:25:06,658 --> 00:25:12,083 dictators in a totalitarian state of their own creation. They surrendered control of the US 269 00:25:12,143 --> 00:25:17,015 back to the government and the team disbanded. Shortly after, Hyperion recruited the remaining 270 00:25:17,055 --> 00:25:23,237 members of the squadron to save Earth-712 from the Nth Man, aka Phantom Stranger, who was 271 00:25:23,317 --> 00:25:28,620 inadvertently nullifying dimensions he was traveling through. Several members of the squadron died 272 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:33,842 trying to stop him, though they ultimately were successful. Hyperion, however, ended up stranded 273 00:25:33,862 --> 00:25:39,064 alongside several other squadron members in the Earth-616 reality for a time, where he 274 00:25:39,104 --> 00:25:44,467 ended up occasionally partnering with the Avengers. Eventually Hyperion and his fellow teammates 275 00:25:44,547 --> 00:25:49,250 found a way back to their home reality, where they found that in the absence of the Squadron, 276 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:55,333 the world governments had formed a global directorate that were using the technology of the Squadron's 277 00:25:55,494 --> 00:26:01,057 old Utopia project for themselves. The founding members of the Squadron Supreme banded together 278 00:26:01,157 --> 00:26:06,180 once again, along with the son of the original Nyhawk and a team of dimension-hopping heroes 279 00:26:06,220 --> 00:26:11,496 called the Exiles. Together they battled and defeated the global directorate, returning 280 00:26:11,576 --> 00:26:16,741 freedom to the world, and allowing society to progress democratically and without superhuman 281 00:26:16,841 --> 00:26:22,406 involvement. Unfortunately, all of Earth-712 came to an end, however, when realities in 282 00:26:22,446 --> 00:26:28,131 the Marvel multiverse began colliding and destroying each other in a series of cataclysmic incursions. 283 00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:33,837 Hyperion became his universe's only survivor, floating in the void left where his dimension 284 00:26:33,897 --> 00:26:40,387 was destroyed. There, he was discovered by AIM scientists from Earth-616 who held him in captivity 285 00:26:40,527 --> 00:26:45,608 until he was rescued by the Avengers and joined their ranks for a time as they tried to stop 286 00:26:45,648 --> 00:26:51,550 the incursions. After the events of the secret wars that rebuilt the multiverse, Hyperion 287 00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:57,092 formed a new squadron supreme composed of heroes who had also survived their own universe's 288 00:26:57,172 --> 00:26:59,132 destruction. And that's his backstory. 289 00:27:03,394 --> 00:27:09,077 capable of absorbing cosmic radiation and channeling it like a nuclear reactor for a variety of 290 00:27:09,117 --> 00:27:15,000 effects. This includes vastly enhanced durability and strength, able to lift well in excess of 291 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,703 100 tons. He can fly and move at hypersonic speeds, and has superhuman senses including 292 00:27:20,763 --> 00:27:26,206 hearing, smell, and sight, able to see in all wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum 293 00:27:26,326 --> 00:27:32,109 like infrared and x-rays. He can also fire beams of intense radiation from his eyes called atomic 294 00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:38,011 vision. In addition to his physical attributes, he is a capable leader and an experienced combatant. 295 00:27:38,511 --> 00:27:44,773 He has only one weakness, and that is to Argonite, a substance native to his birth planet. Which 296 00:27:44,813 --> 00:27:49,214 is named Argon? It's never named actually. I guess you could assume that his birth planet 297 00:27:49,254 --> 00:27:54,656 was Argon or Argo. Friggin no shame. How are you with the fact that you're essentially using 298 00:27:54,696 --> 00:27:59,397 a DC character in this match? I don't know what you're talking about. I hope it feels good. 299 00:28:00,017 --> 00:28:07,071 How do you figure? Hyperion is basically a DC character. I don't see it. Cosmopolis, Argonite, 300 00:28:07,631 --> 00:28:15,793 Atomic Vision. You totally lost me, man. Alright. Well, let me move on to Ultraman. Within the 301 00:28:15,833 --> 00:28:21,635 DC multiverse, there exists a universe that is a dark reflection of DC's Prime Universe, 302 00:28:21,935 --> 00:28:27,317 in which heroes became villains and villains became heroes. In this universe, the planet 303 00:28:27,357 --> 00:28:35,255 Krypton never exploded, The infant son of the Kryptonian criminal, Jir-Lil, was rocketed 304 00:28:35,295 --> 00:28:40,876 from the planet to Earth, encountering Kryptonite adrift in space along the way, which empowered 305 00:28:40,916 --> 00:28:46,678 the infant in this universe rather than weakening him. Gaining new powers each time he encountered 306 00:28:46,718 --> 00:28:52,679 the smallest fragment of Kryptonite, the Kryptonian grew to become a superpower despot known as 307 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:58,481 Ultraman. During his conquest and destruction, he encountered four other powerful and tyrannical 308 00:28:58,521 --> 00:29:05,945 beings, Overpowering and Johnny Quick and together they joined to form the Crime Syndicate of 309 00:29:06,005 --> 00:29:11,628 America Able to overpower any resistance the Crime Syndicate conquered most of the world 310 00:29:11,748 --> 00:29:16,391 with Ultraman gaining new powers Every time they encountered new stashes of Kryptonite 311 00:29:16,591 --> 00:29:22,435 on Earth Eventually Ultraman gained a new type of supervision that allowed him to see into 312 00:29:22,555 --> 00:29:28,397 other universes Setting his sights on Earth's one and two the home dimensions of the Justice 313 00:29:28,457 --> 00:29:33,058 League and Justice Society, respectively. You can learn more about the Justice League and 314 00:29:33,098 --> 00:29:38,281 Justice Society in their team duel episodes against the Avengers and Fantastic Four. Eager 315 00:29:38,321 --> 00:29:42,503 to test the strength of the crime syndicate against the champions from these other worlds, 316 00:29:42,663 --> 00:29:48,445 Ultraman and his allies nonetheless proved themselves incapable of overpowering the combined might 317 00:29:48,485 --> 00:29:54,728 of the heroes from Earths 1 and 2. Ultraman himself fell after the heroes of Earth 1 exposed 318 00:29:54,768 --> 00:30:00,251 him to a chunk of kryptonite so large, his body went into a paralytic shock after the acquisition 319 00:30:00,291 --> 00:30:05,033 of so many new powers. which eventually wore off. Ultraman and the crime syndicate were 320 00:30:05,073 --> 00:30:10,635 imprisoned by Green Lantern in an interdimensional prison between universes, though they eventually 321 00:30:10,715 --> 00:30:17,037 escaped and Ultraman was rescued by Lex Luthor and Alexi Luthor of Earths 1 and 2 in order 322 00:30:17,077 --> 00:30:23,839 to kill the supermen of their worlds. With the help of Alexander Luthor Sr. of Earth 3, a 323 00:30:23,899 --> 00:30:26,400 hero, the supermen were able to defeat and 324 00:30:30,238 --> 00:30:36,442 Eventually, a wave of antimatter tore through the DC Multiverse, destroying entire universes. 325 00:30:36,923 --> 00:30:43,288 Though the Crime Syndicate teamed up with Alexander Luther Sr. and other heroes of Earth 3, nothing 326 00:30:43,328 --> 00:30:49,372 they did was able to stop the wave. Resigned to fight to the very end, Ultraman charged 327 00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:54,616 the oncoming wave at full force and was instantly erased from existence, just before the rest 328 00:30:54,656 --> 00:30:59,947 of his universe also vanished. After the Crisis on Infinite Earth's event concluded with the 329 00:30:59,967 --> 00:31:04,890 destruction of the multiverse and the creation of a single universe, the villain's psycho 330 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:11,113 pirate revealed years later the ability to psychically manifest any being from the former multiverse 331 00:31:11,213 --> 00:31:17,497 from his mask, known as the Medusa Mask, which was revealed to contain Ultraman. Years later, 332 00:31:17,757 --> 00:31:22,359 it was also revealed that Ultraman's mind was rescued prior to its destruction by the antimatter 333 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:28,511 wave by the Legion of Superheroes villain, Saturn Queen. a powerful psychic from the future who 334 00:31:28,551 --> 00:31:34,074 attempted to use Ultraman to take over the bottled city of Kandor in the present, though her plan 335 00:31:34,094 --> 00:31:39,657 was thwarted by Supergirl. While the Multiverse had collapsed during the Crisis on Infinite 336 00:31:39,697 --> 00:31:45,160 Earths, there did still exist an antimatter counterpart to the Positive Matter Universe, 337 00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:51,323 home to another antimatter version of the Crime Syndicate and a new version of Ultraman. This 338 00:31:51,503 --> 00:31:57,338 antimatter version was formerly a human astronaut named Lieutenant Clark Kent, whose spaceship 339 00:31:57,418 --> 00:32:03,762 exploded in hyperspace, and his body was rebuilt by aliens using anti-cryptonite radiation in 340 00:32:03,802 --> 00:32:08,925 an effort to build the ultimate weapon. Clark gained control of his new powers that he had 341 00:32:08,965 --> 00:32:14,328 developed before the aliens could control him, however, and Clark returned to Earth. His mind 342 00:32:14,428 --> 00:32:20,130 now warped and used his powers to take over the planet. Anti-Matter Ultraman was revealed 343 00:32:20,210 --> 00:32:25,011 to be married to Superwoman, the Anti-Matter Lois Lane, though she was having an affair 344 00:32:25,051 --> 00:32:31,113 with Anti-Matter Owlman. Ultraman's powers were contingent upon exposure to Anti-Cryptonite. 345 00:32:31,753 --> 00:32:36,235 Though Anti-Matter Lex Luthor attempted to save his Earth from the Crime Syndicate's rule, 346 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:40,956 with help from the Positive Matter Universe's Justice League, his plan ultimately failed, 347 00:32:41,336 --> 00:32:47,258 as the Anti-Matter Earth recognized the Crime Syndicate as their legitimate leaders. Eventually, 348 00:32:47,358 --> 00:32:52,363 the Crime Syndicate grew bored with Earth's collective Stockholm Syndrome and decided to 349 00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:58,229 attack the antimatter planet of Kord, home to the Weponeers that created the very first yellow 350 00:32:58,269 --> 00:33:03,555 power ring. Their battle ended up creating a positive matter wave that spread throughout 351 00:33:03,595 --> 00:33:09,039 the antimatter universe, altering its reality. In an attempt to better understand what was 352 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:14,422 going on, Ultraman and his allies visited the positive matter universe disguised as their 353 00:33:14,482 --> 00:33:19,205 counterparts and eventually decided to stay. Though they were fought back to their dimension 354 00:33:19,245 --> 00:33:25,048 by the Justice League, only to learn that now everyone on their Earth hated them. When 52 355 00:33:25,149 --> 00:33:31,172 new universes were created during the Infinite Crisis, Earth 3 was reimagined. This time, 356 00:33:31,292 --> 00:33:36,258 Krypton was destroyed by the Anti-Monitor. and the young Cal Ill's father sent him from the 357 00:33:36,318 --> 00:33:42,500 dying planet into space to grow in power and eventually get revenge. After landing on Earth, 358 00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:48,162 the infant Cal forced two alcoholic drug addicts named Jonathan and Martha Kent to adopt him, 359 00:33:48,382 --> 00:33:53,663 only to later murder them when he turned seven years old. He eventually became Ultraman and 360 00:33:53,703 --> 00:33:58,325 formed the Crime Syndicate, once again taking over the world only for it to be destroyed 361 00:33:58,405 --> 00:34:04,441 by the Anti-Monitor just like Krypton. It was at this time that Darkseid on the Prime Earth 362 00:34:04,521 --> 00:34:10,347 gained the anti-life equation, initiating the final crisis, and allowing the Crime Syndicate 363 00:34:10,387 --> 00:34:15,713 to escape Earth-3, though they became trapped in an interdimensional limbo, save for their 364 00:34:15,753 --> 00:34:21,359 versions of Alfred and the Atom, who managed to escape to the new Prime Continuity established 365 00:34:21,439 --> 00:34:27,924 after the Flash reset DC's timeline. After the Earth-3 Alfred and Adam orchestrated a clash 366 00:34:28,004 --> 00:34:33,288 between the Justice League, JLA, and Justice League Dark Teams, a portal was opened that 367 00:34:33,348 --> 00:34:38,872 unleashed Ultraman and his allies in the Prime Universe while also trapping many of its heroes. 368 00:34:39,152 --> 00:34:44,395 The crime syndicate was eventually stopped by Earth's villains, primarily by Lex Luthor, 369 00:34:44,596 --> 00:34:49,679 with Ultraman as the syndicate's only survivor. Imprisoned by the Justice League upon their 370 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:55,244 return, he was eventually set free during a war between Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor to 371 00:34:55,284 --> 00:35:00,688 help stop them. Ultraman put up his best fight against the Anti-Monitor, but was easily killed 372 00:35:00,728 --> 00:35:07,274 by him in an anti-matter energy blast. The Earth-3 universe eventually healed itself, and Ultraman 373 00:35:07,294 --> 00:35:12,714 and the Crime Syndicate were reborn, and eventually encountered by Superman's son, Jonathan Kent, 374 00:35:12,834 --> 00:35:18,758 whom Ultraman imprisoned and eventually confessed to that he had no real friends. Ultraman and 375 00:35:18,798 --> 00:35:23,921 the crime syndicate joined Perpetua, the creator of the multiverse, when she and Batman from 376 00:35:23,981 --> 00:35:30,044 across the Dark Multiverse attempted to destroy it. Owlman, feeling betrayed that he was not 377 00:35:30,124 --> 00:35:35,968 one of the Dark Multiverse Batman and seeking revenge against Perpetua, shot and killed Ultraman 378 00:35:36,188 --> 00:35:43,332 and Superwoman with a gun from Kord. Your deal destroyed and recreated Earth-3, whose new 379 00:35:43,392 --> 00:35:49,036 version of Ultraman obtained a device that allowed him to traverse the multiverse and kill any 380 00:35:49,096 --> 00:35:54,960 Superman that he came across. Though Val Zod, the black Superman of Earth-2, and Jonathan 381 00:35:54,980 --> 00:36:00,504 Kent tried to stop him, Ultraman banished Val Zod to the Phantom Zone, and though Jonathan 382 00:36:00,544 --> 00:36:05,968 nearly defeated Ultraman, Ultraman was killed by the Superman from the Injustice Universe, 383 00:36:06,108 --> 00:36:12,512 Earth-49. And that's his backstory. Powers-wise, Ultraman's physiology allows him to gain vast 384 00:36:12,572 --> 00:36:17,976 power from the radiation of his native planet, Krypton. Though he can store that radiation 385 00:36:18,056 --> 00:36:23,680 in his body, the presence of Kryptonite strengthens him even further. He possesses vast strength 386 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:30,144 and durability, ultra-speed, and flight. He also has ultra-senses, such as hearing and 387 00:36:30,244 --> 00:36:36,209 sight, and he can emit heat vision from his eyes. His one weakness is that his powers will 388 00:36:36,249 --> 00:36:42,303 diminish over time without access to kryptonite and this accelerates when exposed to solar 389 00:36:42,363 --> 00:36:49,470 radiation. He's more powerful in the dark. DC has no shame. Like, how dare they rip off a 390 00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:54,876 hero- Themselves? His beloved and popular as Ultraman. What? The true Ultraman, which is 391 00:36:54,916 --> 00:36:56,077 the Japanese Ultraman. 392 00:36:59,238 --> 00:37:04,282 Actually, I think our Ultraman came before that one. Do you know that for sure? Yes, I do. 393 00:37:04,783 --> 00:37:10,327 The Japanese Ultraman came out in 1966. And the Silver Age version of Ultraman came out 394 00:37:10,447 --> 00:37:16,212 in 1964. So boom, damn it. Everyone copies DC, gosh. 395 00:37:23,746 --> 00:37:28,389 But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 396 00:37:28,429 --> 00:37:34,493 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not this speculation, 397 00:37:34,813 --> 00:37:40,657 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 398 00:37:41,438 --> 00:37:45,441 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge 399 00:37:45,461 --> 00:37:49,864 of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other 400 00:37:49,884 --> 00:37:54,971 character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin 401 00:37:54,991 --> 00:38:00,075 approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript environment that will have no bearing on the 402 00:38:00,095 --> 00:38:05,439 match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants 403 00:38:05,499 --> 00:38:10,782 must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Ultraman and Hyperion 404 00:38:11,022 --> 00:38:16,106 meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Alright, I'm going to say that since Ultraman is more 405 00:38:16,286 --> 00:38:22,830 evil and unhinged than Hyperion, he's going to go first. He's gonna start by crushing a 406 00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:27,512 kryptonite rock that he had and just snorting that thing off the back of his hand. So now 407 00:38:27,532 --> 00:38:33,054 that he's more powered up, he's gonna ultra-speed dash over to Hyperion and just like crush his 408 00:38:33,135 --> 00:38:38,957 neck in his bare hands. Where did he get this kryptonite rock from? He has a stash of kryptonite 409 00:38:38,977 --> 00:38:45,620 that he keeps around him. He knows he needs it. Alright. Alright, well Hyperion sees Ultraman 410 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:51,995 do this line of kryptonite crack and Hyperion's against it. He's like, drugs are illegal and 411 00:38:52,535 --> 00:38:58,478 bad. So he's going to hold out his hand as Ultraman's flying at him. And he just catches Ultraman's 412 00:38:58,538 --> 00:39:03,981 fist in his palm and uses that momentum to slam Ultraman into the ground, just creating this 413 00:39:04,062 --> 00:39:09,445 massive crater that shakes whatever planet they're onto its core. OK, I mean, that's fine. Ultraman, 414 00:39:09,605 --> 00:39:14,728 you know, he's going to ultra spin his body, just drilling deep into the ground before he 415 00:39:14,788 --> 00:39:20,611 explodes back out right beneath Hyperion, just. pushing him into space while heat visioning 416 00:39:20,651 --> 00:39:27,355 his face off. Okay, well as Hyperion's being carried into space, he's gonna counter Ultraman's 417 00:39:27,395 --> 00:39:32,778 heat vision with his atomic vision. And like the two eye beams are like canceling each other 418 00:39:32,918 --> 00:39:37,500 out and Hyperion is gonna grab Ultraman by the head and then he's just gonna head butt the 419 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:44,344 shit out of him, sending Ultraman crashing back into the ground from space. And then Hyperion 420 00:39:44,484 --> 00:39:50,231 with his eyes still glowing. He's going to fly down and slam into Ultraman with this badass 421 00:39:50,311 --> 00:39:56,554 superhero landing pose. Except that Ultraman sees Hyperion speeding down toward him, and 422 00:39:56,614 --> 00:40:02,396 he's going to use his ultra breath to freeze Hyperion, causing him to just shatter once 423 00:40:02,436 --> 00:40:08,199 he hits the ground. So now there's blood and ice everywhere. Yeah, Ultraman's blood. What? 424 00:40:08,759 --> 00:40:14,441 Because he just got freaking decimated by a Hyperion ice missile. Like, ice isn't really 425 00:40:14,461 --> 00:40:19,075 going to hurt. Hyperion like he wouldn't freeze through that fast considering his body is built 426 00:40:19,095 --> 00:40:23,837 like a nuclear reactor Fine, I guess Ultraman, you know has the wind knocked out of him or 427 00:40:23,877 --> 00:40:29,119 something. He could withstand nuclear bombs Okay. All right. So while Ultraman is winded 428 00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:35,002 Hyperion yanks him by the cape and swings him around and around and around Choking Ultraman 429 00:40:35,042 --> 00:40:40,564 by his collar and then Hyperion let's go the cape Tossing him like a hammer throw and sending 430 00:40:40,684 --> 00:40:47,584 Ultraman crashing right into a nearby moon. On moon? Okay Uh, so Ultraman, you know, he's 431 00:40:47,664 --> 00:40:52,788 gonna grab that moon and just hurl it right back down toward Hyperion, just annihilating 432 00:40:52,808 --> 00:40:57,992 him and the planet he's on. Is he strong enough to do that? Yeah, uh, actually Ultraman had 433 00:40:58,032 --> 00:41:03,537 to move the moon between the sun and the Earth, so that the Earth was in a constant state of 434 00:41:03,577 --> 00:41:09,461 eclipse, and so he wouldn't be degraded power-wise. Oh, interesting. Okay, well, Hyperion sees 435 00:41:09,501 --> 00:41:14,105 that this moon is gonna crash down onto him. I don't think he would have any choice but 436 00:41:14,145 --> 00:41:18,552 to, like, meet it head on by flying through it, kind of like a bullet through a bowling 437 00:41:18,592 --> 00:41:23,415 ball type situation, which is, you know, it's going to hurt him. Like a bullet is not going 438 00:41:23,435 --> 00:41:27,177 to go through a bowling ball unscathed. The same goes for Hyperion. You know, it's going 439 00:41:27,197 --> 00:41:30,959 to hurt him. He's going to be drained pretty badly, but he is going to be angry and he's 440 00:41:30,979 --> 00:41:36,283 going to be like, you throw another moon at me. I'm going to lose it. So Ultraman throws 441 00:41:36,303 --> 00:41:43,315 another moon at Hyperion. What? For where? I don't know. But. The thing is, this one randomly 442 00:41:43,455 --> 00:41:48,920 happened to be filled with kryptonite. Who knew? Oh my God. Basically, when it explodes upon 443 00:41:48,980 --> 00:41:55,205 hitting Hyperion, it's going to turn Ultraman into like a god and now he's like this reality 444 00:41:55,245 --> 00:42:01,931 warping telekinetic and he's going to mentally explode Hyperion's atoms across the universe. 445 00:42:02,451 --> 00:42:08,597 Just with a thought. Boom. Dude, that's environmental. You can't say the moon has kryptonite in it. 446 00:42:08,617 --> 00:42:12,724 Like who's to say? I mean, I do. I just I just said that. Like you're the one who brought 447 00:42:12,764 --> 00:42:17,788 the moon into it. Well, most planets have a moon like that seems fairly easy to assume. 448 00:42:18,289 --> 00:42:23,793 But also, like you said in Ultraman's bio that too much kryptonite exposure paralyzed him 449 00:42:24,074 --> 00:42:27,637 because he like developed too many powers at once or something. Well, that's a silver age 450 00:42:27,657 --> 00:42:32,981 version. I don't care. I want to say instead of killing Hyperion, Ultraman's like, eh, it's 451 00:42:33,021 --> 00:42:39,098 too much power and he's going to go into a coma, at which point Hyperion. It's gonna take this 452 00:42:39,138 --> 00:42:44,542 opportunity and he's just gonna fly Hyperion into the nearest sun, which is just gonna render 453 00:42:44,762 --> 00:42:51,907 Ultraman powerless and like ultra dead. Alright, that would definitely kill Ultraman. So yeah, 454 00:42:51,947 --> 00:42:57,431 we'll leave it there. Either Ultraman is killed by being thrown into a sun and just losing 455 00:42:57,471 --> 00:43:03,595 his power from the solar radiation, or he gets ultra powered up from a whole bunch of kryptonite 456 00:43:03,635 --> 00:43:08,918 around him and just erases Hyperion from existence. Yeah, sounds pretty good. Let's go ahead and 457 00:43:08,998 --> 00:43:14,240 enter the character stats, run the simulations and come back with a winner. AG9K, hit it! 458 00:43:14,821 --> 00:43:22,644 Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. Okay, so these 459 00:43:22,704 --> 00:43:28,226 characters are both Superman, analogs, ripoffs, whatever you may want to call them. They're 460 00:43:28,246 --> 00:43:34,949 basically Superman. So it's not surprising that their stats were basically equal to Superman's. 461 00:43:35,326 --> 00:43:40,549 Yeah, they had the same speed, evasiveness, durability, strength, damage level, fighting 462 00:43:40,589 --> 00:43:45,773 skill, range, versatility. They were pretty much a match. Which is pretty rare. Like, we 463 00:43:45,873 --> 00:43:50,236 don't come across that too often. We try not to. Right. Because if we know the character 464 00:43:50,256 --> 00:43:54,339 stats are the same, we run into a situation where it's a guaranteed coin flip, you know, 465 00:43:54,379 --> 00:44:00,223 50-50 on who wins. But you know, it could still be anybody's fight. According to our Instagram 466 00:44:00,343 --> 00:44:06,860 poll takers, they believe that Ultraman is ultimately going to come out on top in this match. Sixty 467 00:44:06,900 --> 00:44:12,403 two percent of those who voted in Ultraman's favor. And I'm going to chalk that up to them 468 00:44:12,443 --> 00:44:20,249 thinking it was the Japanese Ultraman. There's a photo of Ultraman on the pole. I don't really 469 00:44:20,269 --> 00:44:23,971 know anything about the Japanese Ultraman, so I don't know what his powers are, but I'm still 470 00:44:23,991 --> 00:44:29,315 going to say he's more popular. Well, let's find out who the winner is. H.E. 9K, the results, 471 00:44:29,355 --> 00:44:35,836 please. Hey, you are, sir. All right. The winner. between the Crime Syndicate's Ultraman and 472 00:44:35,876 --> 00:44:44,305 the Squadron Supreme's Hyperion is... Hyperion! Really close though, almost a coin toss, Hyperion 473 00:44:44,345 --> 00:44:52,753 won 517 matches out of the 1000 simulations whereas Ultraman only won 483. So Hyperion's 474 00:44:52,793 --> 00:45:01,840 51.7% over Ultraman's 48.3%. And I knew this was gonna happen once I realized that I had 475 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,565 to concede Ultraman's intelligent stat. He's definitely not as smart as Superman, so we 476 00:45:08,585 --> 00:45:14,149 figured he's not as smart as Hyperion. Yeah, Hyperion's not the sharpest tool in the shed, 477 00:45:14,269 --> 00:45:18,572 you know. He was the one who thought that it would be a good idea to essentially become 478 00:45:18,592 --> 00:45:23,855 a dictator over an authoritarian state, but he's also not so stupid to think that he can 479 00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:30,035 punch an antimatter wave and have that be okay. Yeah, that was kind of humorous when I read 480 00:45:30,075 --> 00:45:36,539 that. So, I mean, I guess I can't be too bummed. The good guy won, even if it is a Marvel guy. 481 00:45:36,699 --> 00:45:41,182 Still a rip off, though. Essentially, you could say Superman wins in the end in this match. 482 00:45:41,722 --> 00:45:48,826 No, I period would beat him to what? No, no, he loses just on originality points alone. 483 00:45:49,086 --> 00:45:53,929 Like that needs to be a new stat originality. DC is going to top out Marvel every time in 484 00:45:53,969 --> 00:45:57,918 that stat. As we've said many times on the show, it's not about who does it first. It's about 485 00:45:57,938 --> 00:46:02,920 who does it better. And if there was a quality stat, Marvel would be higher because their 486 00:46:02,940 --> 00:46:08,401 characters are just better. So it would even out. If you're arguing that Hyperion is better 487 00:46:08,821 --> 00:46:13,643 than Superman. Yes. I would have fucked. Duh. Obviously. Next time I see you, when's the 488 00:46:13,683 --> 00:46:20,004 next family dinner? Be prepared. 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Please don't forget to rate the show. on Apple podcasts, Spotify, 496 00:46:55,547 --> 00:47:01,732 Podchaser, or on our website. Next week's episode is gonna be another duel, another multiversal 497 00:47:01,772 --> 00:47:05,855 duel, where we pit two characters outside of the main Marvel and DC continuity against each 498 00:47:05,895 --> 00:47:11,939 other. This time we're going to find out who'd win in a fight between Rocket, who is the sidekick 499 00:47:11,979 --> 00:47:19,544 to Icon. Yeah, from Milestone Comics. Versus Spider-Gwen, who everybody knows is a popular 500 00:47:19,604 --> 00:47:24,627 Spider-themed multiversal character. And of course, that episode is in lead up to Madam 501 00:47:24,647 --> 00:47:29,049 Web, which we'll be reviewing the week after. But that does it for this episode. We want 502 00:47:29,069 --> 00:47:33,530 to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Storowski, Zachary Hepburn, 503 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:39,293 Dustin Belcombe, Miggy Mattenkian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yaton, Nick Abato, Austin 504 00:47:39,333 --> 00:47:45,695 Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, and Dean Molesky for helping 505 00:47:45,715 --> 00:47:50,897 make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. 506 00:47:51,606 --> 00:47:53,968 Watch me lean and watch me rock Superman that hoe.