1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a Dynamike Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:28,493 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,693 --> 00:00:33,697 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based 4 00:00:33,817 --> 00:00:40,042 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother, Johnny DC. And in this episode, 5 00:00:40,062 --> 00:00:46,027 we're going to find out who'd win in a fight between the multiversal characters of Rocket 6 00:00:46,127 --> 00:00:51,583 from Milestone Comics and Spider-Gwen. from Marvel Comics, but from an alternate universe. 7 00:00:51,723 --> 00:00:55,425 Yeah, this is the second week we're pitting multiversal characters against each other. 8 00:00:55,565 --> 00:01:01,228 Of course, last week we pit Ultraman against Hyperion. This week we wanted to do a Spider-Girl 9 00:01:01,288 --> 00:01:06,992 type episode in lead up to our next episode, which is a review of Madame Web, which takes 10 00:01:07,032 --> 00:01:12,735 place, you could say, in an MCU adjacent universe made by Sony. Right, yeah, we're trying to 11 00:01:12,775 --> 00:01:18,682 squeeze in these multiversal duels, considering that both Madame Web and the recent DC animated 12 00:01:18,722 --> 00:01:23,743 movie that came out, Crisis on Infinite Earths, deal with comic book and movie multiverses. 13 00:01:23,883 --> 00:01:27,324 Both of these characters are pretty awesome, so I'm really interested in seeing who will 14 00:01:27,344 --> 00:01:30,525 win. But we'll figure that out later on. Before that, we're going to break down the latest 15 00:01:30,565 --> 00:01:36,267 comic book movie news to come out this past week, including the incredible trailer that 16 00:01:36,307 --> 00:01:40,108 we got over the Super Bowl for Deadpool and Wolverine. That's the name of the movie now. 17 00:01:40,128 --> 00:01:44,389 It's no longer Deadpool 3. It's Deadpool and Wolverine. Can't wait to talk about that. We 18 00:01:44,449 --> 00:01:49,244 also got confirmation. from Matt Shackman who's gonna direct the upcoming Fantastic Four movie 19 00:01:49,504 --> 00:01:54,928 that Pedro Pascal is indeed confirmed to be playing Mr. Fantastic. Yeah, a lot of big Marvel 20 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:59,831 news this episode. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free 21 00:01:59,851 --> 00:02:04,554 to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially 22 00:02:04,574 --> 00:02:11,590 intelligent dual simulator AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why 23 00:02:11,630 --> 00:02:16,452 hello there. Do you love listening and chatting about Marvel and DC? 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This 38 00:03:30,047 --> 00:03:36,349 week, hosts Ken and his wife put together a Valentine's Day episode, where they all find 39 00:03:36,389 --> 00:03:43,552 out who'd win in a fight between Lisa from Weird Science and Hollywood from Cool World. Battle 40 00:03:43,572 --> 00:03:48,907 of the Babes. And on the Send Your World Podcast. Host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between 41 00:03:49,107 --> 00:03:53,328 your favorite anime characters. Zach's a little under the weather this week, so there will 42 00:03:53,348 --> 00:03:58,331 be no new episode of Send Your World this Thursday, but that'll give you guys a chance to get caught 43 00:03:58,371 --> 00:04:03,813 up on past episodes if you're not already. And on the Console Combat Podcast, hosts John and 44 00:04:03,833 --> 00:04:08,075 Dean find out who'd win in fights between your favorite video game characters. In yesterday's 45 00:04:08,115 --> 00:04:14,157 episode, they held their very first championship matchup between Scorpion for Mortal Kombat 46 00:04:14,578 --> 00:04:21,862 against Ezio from Assassin's Creed. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen 47 00:04:21,902 --> 00:04:26,824 to all of the shows in the Dynamike Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick 48 00:04:27,004 --> 00:04:33,768 to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the 49 00:04:33,808 --> 00:04:38,891 Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel 50 00:04:38,911 --> 00:04:43,902 gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week we asked... Who has been your 51 00:04:43,962 --> 00:04:49,805 favorite Supergirl actress across film and television and why? And this is coming off of the news 52 00:04:50,145 --> 00:04:55,628 that Millie Alcock has been cast as Supergirl for James Gunn's DCU. We got four answers, 53 00:04:55,648 --> 00:04:59,590 so we're going to break down the honorable mentions before revealing this week's no prize winner. 54 00:05:00,090 --> 00:05:06,474 Our first honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon who said, Hey guys, Travis here. So my pick 55 00:05:06,494 --> 00:05:11,136 would have to be the Supergirl from the Flash movie, although she's not the one that we all 56 00:05:11,156 --> 00:05:18,048 know with the blonde hair and the skirt. was a pretty bad ass version of Supergirl and honestly 57 00:05:18,108 --> 00:05:25,592 it's a shame that we won't see her in this James Gunn DCU but hey, hey maybe the actress might 58 00:05:25,632 --> 00:05:29,414 come back as I don't know maybe like Wonder Woman's daughter or something but she's my 59 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:35,158 favorite she's just an all around badass Latino hero. Yes so Sasha Kaia played Supergirl in 60 00:05:35,178 --> 00:05:40,581 the recent flash film that came out last year she didn't have the largest role in the movie 61 00:05:40,661 --> 00:05:45,564 but the time she did have on screen. I thought she did a phenomenal job with. Yeah, she didn't 62 00:05:45,584 --> 00:05:50,328 look like your typical super girl who is portrayed in the comics, usually as having long blonde 63 00:05:50,368 --> 00:05:54,632 hair and wearing a red skirt and stuff like that. But I thought Sasha Kaia fucking killed 64 00:05:54,692 --> 00:06:00,637 it as this analog to Henry Cavill's Superman within this newly created timeline that The 65 00:06:00,657 --> 00:06:04,861 Flash started when he went back in time. Yeah, the character herself is actually based on 66 00:06:04,981 --> 00:06:09,625 a design from the Injustice comics. She was Superman's daughter. And I thought they nailed 67 00:06:09,645 --> 00:06:14,573 that design. perfectly. She looked incredible in the movie. So great answer, Travis. Our 68 00:06:14,653 --> 00:06:20,278 next honorable mention goes to Miggie Mathingian, who said, Hey, what's up, guys? This is Miggie. 69 00:06:20,638 --> 00:06:25,423 And my favorite Supergirl actress would probably be Summer Glau. I think that's how you pronounce 70 00:06:25,483 --> 00:06:31,168 it. From Superman, Batman, Apocalypse. I think she just had the best job or did the best job 71 00:06:32,229 --> 00:06:37,133 displaying like a full range of emotions from her fear and confusion from first landing here 72 00:06:37,153 --> 00:06:44,418 on Earth. to her grief at the death of her friend and to her anger at fighting Darkseid at the 73 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:49,623 last battle. Thanks guys. Yeah, Superman Batman Apocalypse is an animated film that was based 74 00:06:49,803 --> 00:06:55,727 on a comic run written by Jeff Loeb, if I'm not mistaken. It was a fantastic run. It reintroduced 75 00:06:55,807 --> 00:07:02,413 the character of Kara Zor-El to the main DC continuity. And yeah, it was a great like origin 76 00:07:02,453 --> 00:07:07,022 story for the character. They did a great job adapting it to the animated film. And there's 77 00:07:07,062 --> 00:07:13,124 been a lot of great actresses to do voiceover work for the character of Supergirl. In this 78 00:07:13,164 --> 00:07:19,186 movie, in DC Superhero Girls, in the Superman animated series, they've all done a fantastic 79 00:07:19,226 --> 00:07:24,208 job. And the recent Legion of Superheroes film that takes place in the Tomorrowverse. Oh, 80 00:07:24,228 --> 00:07:29,369 that's right. That was voiced by Megan Donnelly, the actress who almost became Supergirl in 81 00:07:29,429 --> 00:07:33,752 live action. Now we haven't reviewed Superman Batman Apocalypse yet, but it is definitely 82 00:07:33,932 --> 00:07:40,576 on our list of animated DC films to eventually get to. We only have about like 50 projects 83 00:07:40,636 --> 00:07:47,019 left to review for Marvel and DC that aren't new, so not too many. I imagine we'll get through 84 00:07:47,059 --> 00:07:53,003 quite a few this year considering how few theatrical releases DC and Marvel are putting out. Yeah 85 00:07:53,023 --> 00:07:57,265 for sure. Great answer, Miggy. But the winner of this week's Snow Prize goes to two people. 86 00:07:57,718 --> 00:08:03,240 both Abner O'Terry and Peter Troll who both gave the same answer. And they said, Hey guys, 87 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:10,683 it's Abner O'Terry. My answer is Melissa Pinoist because she was able to be funny and smart 88 00:08:11,403 --> 00:08:20,607 and her relationships with her adopted sister and the rest of the cast were just phenomenal. 89 00:08:21,228 --> 00:08:28,167 Hey guys, it's Peter. My answer for the best Supergirl. is probably Melissa Benoist from 90 00:08:28,207 --> 00:08:33,350 the CW show. I thought she looked the part, I thought she played the part very well, and 91 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:39,013 something about those CW shows just really have a grip on my heart. But also, I may be a little 92 00:08:39,033 --> 00:08:43,436 biased because I thought she was cute and maybe had a little crush. But yeah, Melissa Benoist 93 00:08:43,496 --> 00:08:48,959 is my choice. Thanks, guys. So, normally I like to give points for originality here, but it 94 00:08:48,979 --> 00:08:54,934 was really hard not to award the answer of Melissa Benoist! Because yeah, who doesn't have a crush 95 00:08:55,014 --> 00:08:59,675 on her? She did a fantastic job in the role of Supergirl. Honestly, I think she's the best 96 00:08:59,755 --> 00:09:04,096 actress to play the character ever. Well, she certainly has had the most substantial role 97 00:09:04,176 --> 00:09:10,038 as Supergirl, considering she had so many seasons on her own television series. Right, as compared 98 00:09:10,058 --> 00:09:15,779 to someone like Helen Slater who had her own movie, but the movie was terrible. The Supergirl 99 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:22,121 show wasn't for the most part. Yeah, here are the first few seasons. Like all of the DCCW 100 00:09:22,161 --> 00:09:26,450 shows were actually pretty good. Yes, yeah, that is correct. So congrats to Abner O'Terry 101 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:30,636 and Peter Troll. Both of you win this week's no prize. If you, the listener, want a shot 102 00:09:30,656 --> 00:09:34,282 at winning your own no prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking 103 00:09:34,322 --> 00:09:38,789 another question of the week. And now that that's done, onto the news. 104 00:09:44,226 --> 00:09:49,490 All right, this past week, right before the big game, we got the official teaser for the 105 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:53,794 upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine movie. Now, you know, we've been calling it Deadpool 3 106 00:09:53,834 --> 00:09:57,257 this whole time, but it was announced with this teaser that the movie is officially called 107 00:09:57,397 --> 00:10:02,862 Deadpool and Wolverine. So they split the billing. That's pretty cool. The trailer was great. 108 00:10:03,182 --> 00:10:07,265 I'm so excited to get into this. Yeah, the name is kind of smart, I would say, just because 109 00:10:07,286 --> 00:10:12,894 of how big of a name Wolverine is. I would still say as popular as Deadpool is, His name isn't 110 00:10:12,934 --> 00:10:17,577 quite as big as Wolverine, so I think that's a huge selling point. And what's funny is that 111 00:10:17,637 --> 00:10:22,841 earlier this year, Hugh Jackman released a video and he inadvertently called the movie Wolverine 112 00:10:22,881 --> 00:10:27,304 and Deadpool, so I wonder if that's going to be kind of like a running gag where they kind 113 00:10:27,324 --> 00:10:33,348 of fight over who gets top billing. Yeah, that'd be great. The teaser trailer starts off with 114 00:10:33,468 --> 00:10:39,832 Deadpool's birthday, and everyone from X-Force is there, including Shatterstar, Pete, Doepinder's 115 00:10:39,872 --> 00:10:45,167 there, Vanessa's back. It looks like At the end of Deadpool 2, he used Cable's time sliding 116 00:10:45,207 --> 00:10:49,629 device to basically save all of his friends. Yeah, I was really surprised to see characters 117 00:10:49,669 --> 00:10:54,611 like Shatterstar, but definitely implied that yeah he probably broke some TVA rules saving 118 00:10:54,671 --> 00:11:00,874 all of his friends from death. Which is why the TVA shows up at his house and we get one 119 00:11:00,894 --> 00:11:05,736 of the best gags in the entire Deadpool franchise just in this teaser where he's like, is that 120 00:11:05,756 --> 00:11:10,230 supposed to scare anybody? Piggings not new to me, friendo, but it is to Disney. and he 121 00:11:10,250 --> 00:11:15,614 looks at the camera breaking the fourth wall. So good. And it was in continuity because we 122 00:11:15,674 --> 00:11:21,620 saw him be pegged in the first Deadpool movie on International Women's Day. So good on them 123 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,704 for sticking to the established canon. It was also a nice way to just right off the bat address 124 00:11:26,764 --> 00:11:34,071 the whole purchase of Fox by Disney between Deadpool 2 and 3. Well, actually they address 125 00:11:34,091 --> 00:11:39,422 that in Once Upon a Deadpool. Oh, I never saw that. Yeah. Well, it was the PG-13 of Deadpool 126 00:11:39,462 --> 00:11:43,543 2 that they released around the holidays when Deadpool 2 came out. He basically stated in 127 00:11:43,583 --> 00:11:49,145 that movie that the reason they wanted to do a PG-13 version was because of Disney. Okay. 128 00:11:49,165 --> 00:11:53,566 Yeah, I wonder if that's canon. I don't know, but I'm glad to see that this movie obviously 129 00:11:53,606 --> 00:11:59,268 will not be PG-13. I'm glad that Deadpool is sticking to its hard R roots. Because honestly, 130 00:11:59,668 --> 00:12:03,989 Once Upon Deadpool wasn't that great. It was okay. But in this teaser, Deadpool gets taken 131 00:12:04,009 --> 00:12:08,604 to the TVA. where he's talking to some guy. I kind of wish that the guy in the chair talking 132 00:12:08,644 --> 00:12:14,389 to him was Mobius, who is a character played by Owen Wilson in the Loki television series, 133 00:12:14,509 --> 00:12:18,272 but it's not. He's some British dude. There's a great gag there where he tells Deadpool that 134 00:12:18,292 --> 00:12:22,476 he sold himself while unconscious, and he's like, I wasn't unconscious, where am I? So 135 00:12:22,656 --> 00:12:28,761 good. Dude, that's not just some dude. That's fucking Matthew McFadden, the recent Emmy winner 136 00:12:28,801 --> 00:12:35,670 for Secession. He's a fantastic actor. I don't give a fuck who that is. You will you will 137 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:40,752 the guy is just an incredible actor. I think he's gonna kill it in this role Yeah, sure. 138 00:12:40,772 --> 00:12:44,614 You still should have been Mobius. I mean isn't Owen Wilson supposed to have a cameo in this 139 00:12:44,654 --> 00:12:48,876 movie Yeah, but like, you know, he could have had a substantial role here I don't know what 140 00:12:48,896 --> 00:12:55,199 kind of story they're setting up but apparently Deadpool has to help save the MCU For some 141 00:12:55,219 --> 00:13:00,181 reason and he calls himself Marvel Jesus, which is kind of funny I don't quite know what the 142 00:13:00,201 --> 00:13:05,511 threat is though because we see him take on the TVA itself for a vast majority of this 143 00:13:05,551 --> 00:13:10,372 teaser. There's a lot of quick shots of him like suiting up and then we see him in this 144 00:13:10,412 --> 00:13:16,914 swanky place, what appears to be a Magi-Pore casino because we see him approaching Wolverine 145 00:13:17,034 --> 00:13:21,115 in his Patch persona from behind. So that's pretty cool. We're going to see Hugh Jackman 146 00:13:21,175 --> 00:13:26,897 not only in his comic accurate Wolverine get up, but we also get to see his alter ego of 147 00:13:26,997 --> 00:13:33,199 Patch. How do you know it's Patch? Because Wolverine's persona of Patch wears a white suit. Oh, okay. 148 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:38,161 I just love the suit up scene where it's like something from Batman Forever or Batman and 149 00:13:38,181 --> 00:13:42,003 Robin or just different like closeups. But there's also a scene where like someone's like slapping 150 00:13:42,043 --> 00:13:47,385 his ass just like randomly tossed in there. And then Kim doing the splits and like sliding 151 00:13:47,485 --> 00:13:54,128 upwards and doing like a dance move. I felt that, I felt it. I was like, hell yeah. It 152 00:13:54,188 --> 00:14:00,018 looks like actually both Deadpool and Wolverine get pruned. and go to the void at the end of 153 00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:05,743 time, where it's kind of post-apocalyptic. We see the 20th century Fox logo there, just in 154 00:14:05,763 --> 00:14:10,787 the sand. We do see what I think is Eliath for a brief shot, taking out one of the TVA members. 155 00:14:10,947 --> 00:14:15,711 And I think a vast majority of the film takes place in the void. And it seems like the film 156 00:14:15,731 --> 00:14:20,155 was mainly about escaping it. Which is honestly pretty cool. I love the fact that we get to 157 00:14:20,195 --> 00:14:26,720 see other X-Men characters there, like fucking Pyro. That was a surprise. Yeah, Aaron Stanford 158 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:31,598 as Pyro makes a guest appearance here. That was great. Cool to see him back. I can't wait 159 00:14:31,618 --> 00:14:37,620 to see everyone back. It's gonna be the No Way Home of X-Men movies. And it seems like it's 160 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,082 gonna be even bigger than that. Well, I mean, the X-Men franchise has already had its No 161 00:14:42,122 --> 00:14:47,984 Way Home movie in days of future past, where you got a merger of the two big franchises, 162 00:14:48,024 --> 00:14:52,965 like with James McAvoy and Patrick Stewart and Michael Fassbender and Dean McKellen. But Deadpool 163 00:14:52,985 --> 00:14:58,352 3 also has the other. task of merging the Foxverse with the MCU. It looks like a whole lot of 164 00:14:58,372 --> 00:15:03,154 fun. I really like the last shot where Deadpool's like injured, hurt on his back and he's like, 165 00:15:03,174 --> 00:15:07,116 don't just stand there, Harry Ape help me up. And Wolverine unsheathes his claws and he's 166 00:15:07,136 --> 00:15:13,320 like, oh never mind, I'm fine. Great way to segue into the title card of the film, which 167 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:18,523 again revealed the new title Deadpool and Wolverine. As well as the release date, which we all know 168 00:15:18,643 --> 00:15:24,574 of July 26th. It's coming out this summer. Cannot wait. I'm so hyped for it. I hope a lot of 169 00:15:24,594 --> 00:15:29,216 people saw this trailer and are also hyped as well because, you know, a lot of people are 170 00:15:29,256 --> 00:15:33,437 kind of souring on the MCU as a whole and it'll be great to have them back. Yeah, it does kind 171 00:15:33,477 --> 00:15:39,640 of seem like this movie will in fact be Marvel Jesus. It'll save the MCU. Right. It almost 172 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,882 makes me wonder if like Ryan Reynolds has been telling Kevin Feige that, yeah, make these 173 00:15:45,342 --> 00:15:50,865 upcoming Marvel projects like really sucky so that my movie can save it. Obviously, that's 174 00:15:50,925 --> 00:15:55,583 not the case, but it almost feels that way. I was wondering if the TVA is like, oh, these 175 00:15:55,783 --> 00:15:58,725 projects have been sucking. Like we need you to save it. And he's like, yeah, I'm going 176 00:15:58,745 --> 00:16:04,608 to save it. I do have to say that I'm kind of bummed that they didn't show the last shot 177 00:16:04,708 --> 00:16:10,211 of Wolverine in costume as brief as that was during the Super Bowl teaser, because, you 178 00:16:10,231 --> 00:16:13,573 know, it was much shorter what they showed on television. And then they were like, see the 179 00:16:13,593 --> 00:16:17,916 full trailer online. I hate when they do that. I know it's a way for the studio to save money 180 00:16:17,936 --> 00:16:22,518 because those Super Bowl commercial admin, it's are pretty pricey. But still they should have 181 00:16:22,739 --> 00:16:26,903 shown that specific shot because everyone who saw that would have gotten totally pumped up. 182 00:16:27,704 --> 00:16:31,908 Now you gotta save the money shot for later. It's just a teaser. Just tease them and keep 183 00:16:31,928 --> 00:16:36,192 them coming back for more. We'll see Wolverine in costume and I bet you it'll be in the next 184 00:16:36,272 --> 00:16:40,497 trailer that we get. Hopefully, it will be. You're probably right. But the teaser trailer 185 00:16:40,517 --> 00:16:44,881 looked great, super pumped. It was super funny. And that brings us to our question of the week. 186 00:16:49,314 --> 00:16:54,138 What has been your favorite Deadpool joke out of all Deadpool media? There's been a lot of 187 00:16:54,158 --> 00:16:57,781 them out there. There was the video game, the Deadpool movies, there's the Deadpool comics. 188 00:16:58,302 --> 00:17:02,986 What made you laugh the hardest and why? Yeah, even the Deadpool teaser trailers. Why not? 189 00:17:03,446 --> 00:17:07,570 Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom 190 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:11,814 right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message 191 00:17:11,834 --> 00:17:15,477 could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on 192 00:17:15,497 --> 00:17:19,916 the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic duel no prize 193 00:17:20,236 --> 00:17:26,301 that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before February 17th. In other news from Marvel 194 00:17:26,321 --> 00:17:31,585 coming out this past week, we got a confirmation not only from the Screen Actors Guild of America, 195 00:17:31,885 --> 00:17:37,149 but also the director of Fantastic Four himself, Matt Shacman, that Pedro Pascal has been cast 196 00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:44,511 as Reed Richards' Mr. Fantastic in the upcoming Fantastic Four film. Now... This has been rumored 197 00:17:44,571 --> 00:17:49,875 for a couple of months now. The news was previously dropped by Deadline, I believe, or Variety. 198 00:17:50,035 --> 00:17:54,519 They reported that Pedro Pascal was in talks to play the character. But you know, when the 199 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:59,303 director tweets out that the actor is playing the role, it's pretty much confirmed. Loathe 200 00:17:59,363 --> 00:18:04,107 as I am to say that Pedro Pascal got the role because I was really hoping for John Krasinski 201 00:18:04,147 --> 00:18:09,931 to return as Mr. Fantastic from his cameo in Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Venice, but 202 00:18:10,592 --> 00:18:16,476 I am a Pedro Pascal fan. Yeah. The dude is hella cool. Like when I grew up, I wanna be Pedro 203 00:18:16,516 --> 00:18:22,279 Pascal. He does not necessarily look the part of Reed Richards, at least not as I know him 204 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:27,982 from the comics. That's not to say that the man cannot play this role. He looks like him 205 00:18:28,062 --> 00:18:32,945 enough, and I think he can act the shit out of this role. Oh, absolutely. Honestly, if 206 00:18:32,965 --> 00:18:37,848 you had to give me a choice between who's more charismatic, Pedro Pascal or John Krasinski, 207 00:18:38,268 --> 00:18:43,218 Pedro Pascal. Honestly, I feel like... The whole reason he was cast was sort of to be like a 208 00:18:43,338 --> 00:18:49,520 new Robert Downey Jr. esque replacement for the MCU. Yeah, maybe. I mean, you want as many 209 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:54,382 charismatic lead actors in these franchises as you can get with all the actors that you 210 00:18:54,422 --> 00:18:59,543 have at your disposal. Someone like Pedro Pascal is certainly more charismatic than say Adam 211 00:18:59,583 --> 00:19:04,965 Driver, who was previously rumored to be offered the role of Mr. Fantastic. And honestly, yeah, 212 00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:09,943 I am glad that Pedro Pascal got it over Adam Driver. He's a little bit older, but, you know, 213 00:19:10,083 --> 00:19:16,147 not as old as, say, Robert Downey Jr. Yeah. Now, Pedro Pascal is no stranger to the world 214 00:19:16,227 --> 00:19:21,590 of comic book movies. He did play the villain of Maxwell Lord in the Wonder Woman 1984 film. 215 00:19:22,091 --> 00:19:28,235 And he was one of the best parts of that movie. Yeah, sure. Well, I mean, I guess there was 216 00:19:28,295 --> 00:19:31,917 no good part of that movie, honestly. Shut the hell up. But I think Pedro Pascal will make 217 00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:36,861 a better Reed Richards than he did Maxwell Lord. I'm sure he'll nail the role. Yeah. Now, joining 218 00:19:36,941 --> 00:19:44,523 Pedro Pascal. Rounding out the Fantastic Four cast, allegedly is Vanessa Kirby as the Invisible 219 00:19:44,543 --> 00:19:49,105 Woman. Which is perfection. I woulda know, I don't think I've seen her in anything. She 220 00:19:49,125 --> 00:19:55,366 was in The Crown. I'm ashamed that I know that. Um, but no, she's fantastic. I think she's 221 00:19:55,386 --> 00:19:59,988 gonna be great in the role. Joseph Quinn will be playing the Human Torch, who I'm also not 222 00:20:00,028 --> 00:20:05,889 familiar with, and I hope I'm pronouncing this right, Ebon Moss-Bachrock will be playing the 223 00:20:05,929 --> 00:20:11,427 Thing. who I am familiar with because he played Micro in season one of the Punisher Netflix 224 00:20:11,467 --> 00:20:17,090 television series. I mean, he's no Michael Chiglis, but he's a good actor too. They all look the 225 00:20:17,130 --> 00:20:21,772 parts. It's a really interesting cast. I'm sure that they'll nail it. None of this has officially 226 00:20:21,792 --> 00:20:26,874 been confirmed, but it's all but confirmed, we'll say. So an exciting time to be an MCU 227 00:20:26,914 --> 00:20:34,257 fan. I hope as soon as they release this news officially, that Marvel also produces a screen 228 00:20:34,297 --> 00:20:39,150 test of what the costumes look like. Cause I want to see Pedro Pascal, you know, with the 229 00:20:39,170 --> 00:20:44,552 gray temples in the blue suit. Think it'd be awesome just to get a feel for it. Yes, absolutely. 230 00:20:45,072 --> 00:20:49,633 I bet you will see that at this year's Comic-Con. Hopefully that'd be cool. Honestly, like I'm 231 00:20:49,673 --> 00:20:55,935 hella jealous this week. They have such like cool news for Marvel. Where's the DC news? 232 00:20:56,375 --> 00:21:01,376 Like where's the Joker, Valiant Dude trailer? Where's like the Superman screen test? Come 233 00:21:01,476 --> 00:21:07,066 on. I want a Superman teaser poster at the very least. Like yesterday. That's not going to 234 00:21:07,086 --> 00:21:12,672 happen because DC is dumb. And Marvel's the best. And they just reminded everybody of that 235 00:21:12,952 --> 00:21:18,999 this week. And your silence right now speaks volumes. I'm just quietly seething and plotting 236 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:20,601 your demise. Ha ha ha. 237 00:21:27,534 --> 00:21:30,838 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get into 238 00:21:30,878 --> 00:21:36,285 our main event where we find out who'd win in a fight between the multiversal characters 239 00:21:36,505 --> 00:21:39,649 of Rocket and Spider-Gwen. 240 00:21:54,550 --> 00:22:00,835 Alright, Rocket versus Spider-Gwen, also known as Spider-Woman, also known as Ghost Spider, 241 00:22:01,135 --> 00:22:06,620 but colloquially best probably known as Spider-Gwen. We're pitting her up against Rocket, who is 242 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:12,646 a character from Milestone Comics, best known as the sidekick to the hero Icon, but she also 243 00:22:12,666 --> 00:22:18,491 had a stint in the Young Justice animated television series. Right, which is a series focused around 244 00:22:18,631 --> 00:22:23,926 sidekicks, and so yeah, she played a role in the show. She's a prominent black character 245 00:22:24,166 --> 00:22:30,328 as all milestone media superheroes are because it's a black-owned comics company that focuses 246 00:22:30,408 --> 00:22:35,970 on creating and fostering great BIPOC characters in comics. So we also figured that this was 247 00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:40,691 a great tie-in to Black History Month. We've never done a milestone comics character before. 248 00:22:41,071 --> 00:22:46,973 They're quasi-multi-versal. They were for a time brought into Prime DC continuity. But 249 00:22:47,053 --> 00:22:51,062 yeah, I thought she counted as a multi-versal character. And the reason that we thought this 250 00:22:51,083 --> 00:22:57,167 would be a good match and our executive producers agreed was due to their power sets both being 251 00:22:57,367 --> 00:23:03,031 based around basically speed and durability with some range based attacks. Exactly. Yeah. 252 00:23:03,472 --> 00:23:07,295 So let's get into it to explain the methodology behind our duels. Let's go to our sentient 253 00:23:07,335 --> 00:23:13,119 dual simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about determining 254 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:18,370 a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the 255 00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:24,432 contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo 256 00:23:24,472 --> 00:23:28,753 simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. 257 00:23:29,193 --> 00:23:34,094 In this case, I randomise the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate 258 00:23:34,114 --> 00:23:38,695 the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official 259 00:23:38,755 --> 00:23:42,857 Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. 260 00:23:46,306 --> 00:23:51,429 damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate 261 00:23:51,449 --> 00:23:56,854 simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. 262 00:23:57,294 --> 00:24:01,877 The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability 263 00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:07,742 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 264 00:24:08,242 --> 00:24:12,726 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So 265 00:24:12,746 --> 00:24:16,628 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 266 00:24:16,668 --> 00:24:22,211 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 267 00:24:22,251 --> 00:24:26,654 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 268 00:24:28,114 --> 00:24:33,057 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's histories 269 00:24:33,097 --> 00:24:38,541 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 270 00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:44,020 would play out, beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first with the DC character, so let me 271 00:24:44,060 --> 00:24:50,944 tell you all about Rocket. Now Raquel Irvin was born and raised on Paris Island, the poorest 272 00:24:51,124 --> 00:24:58,048 neighborhood of the fictional city of Dakota in the alternate universe of Earth 1993, aka 273 00:24:58,188 --> 00:25:05,273 Earth-M, aka the Dakotaverse. Paris Island was notorious for its high crime rates and violent 274 00:25:05,313 --> 00:25:11,229 gang warfare. which culminated in a massive war and riot between all of the gangs in the 275 00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:17,454 neighborhood on one night known as the Big Bang. That same night, knowing the police would have 276 00:25:17,494 --> 00:25:23,019 their hands full, Raquel's boyfriend Noble and his friends drove her to the wealthy Dakota 277 00:25:23,059 --> 00:25:28,923 suburb of Prospect Hills to help burglarize one of its mansions. Though Raquel was a bright 278 00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:34,328 15-year-old girl as an aspiring writer, the idea of getting her hands on a typewriter or 279 00:25:34,348 --> 00:25:39,504 computer proved too tempting. and she agreed to join them. Though they believed they were 280 00:25:39,544 --> 00:25:44,788 stealing from a rich white man, in reality, they were stealing from Augustus Freeman IV, 281 00:25:45,229 --> 00:25:50,833 a black corporate lawyer who was secretly an ancient and superpowered alien stranded on 282 00:25:50,973 --> 00:25:56,758 Earth. Augustus confronted the youths, surviving multiple gunshots and flying to catch those 283 00:25:56,798 --> 00:26:02,363 attempting to flee, including Raquel. Freeman let them go on the condition that they told 284 00:26:02,503 --> 00:26:08,334 no one about him and promised never to steal again. Inspired by what he could do, Raquel 285 00:26:08,374 --> 00:26:14,477 later went back to Freeman's mansion with sketches of him and her in superhero costumes, encouraging 286 00:26:14,517 --> 00:26:20,460 him to use his powers to help his community as a superhero named Icon, while making her 287 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:25,822 his sidekick or partner, Rocket, so that she could have adventures to write about. Freeman 288 00:26:25,862 --> 00:26:31,044 was reluctant initially, but was inspired by Raquel and Dakota's recent upheaval during 289 00:26:31,064 --> 00:26:36,916 the Big Bang to adopt the superhero identity of Icon, and gift Raquel with a belt made from 290 00:26:37,076 --> 00:26:42,661 alien technology that would allow her to fight alongside him. Despite initially being mistaken 291 00:26:42,701 --> 00:26:47,505 for criminals during their first mission to rescue Dakota's mayor, Thomasina Jefferson, 292 00:26:48,026 --> 00:26:53,271 Icon and Rocket successfully saved the mayor from a mutated monster known as Payback, who 293 00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:58,615 revealed to them that during the night of the Big Bang, Mayor Jefferson authorized the local 294 00:26:58,655 --> 00:27:03,759 police department to use an experimental tear gas that was laced with a radioactive marker 295 00:27:03,899 --> 00:27:09,463 that would allow them to subdue and later track the gang members involved. Instead, the tear 296 00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:15,487 gas killed all but a small minority that either mutated or developed special powers. While 297 00:27:15,607 --> 00:27:21,391 Icahn investigated Payback's claims as a lawyer, Raquel dealt with the realization from Icahn's 298 00:27:21,431 --> 00:27:27,103 superhuman senses that she was in early-stage pregnancy. Though Noble and her mother Sandra 299 00:27:27,183 --> 00:27:33,246 encouraged Raquel to have an abortion, Raquel decided to keep the baby. After several adventures, 300 00:27:33,426 --> 00:27:38,769 including taking on the Big Bang-powered gang known as the Blood Syndicate, Raquel was forced 301 00:27:38,869 --> 00:27:44,473 to give up superheroics and allowed her best friend Darnice to assume the mantle of Rocket 302 00:27:44,513 --> 00:27:50,876 for a short time. Raquel eventually gave birth to a son, whom she named Amistad Augustus Irvin. 303 00:27:51,276 --> 00:27:56,715 While Raquel was on maternity leave, Freeman found a way to return to his home planet, supporting 304 00:27:56,795 --> 00:28:02,299 Raquel with a trust that provided her monthly checks while he was away. When an alien threat 305 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,482 known as Oblivion arrived on Earth to kill Freeman, Icon returned to Earth, as did Raquel as his 306 00:28:08,562 --> 00:28:14,586 partner, Rocket, once again. Upon Oblivion's defeat, Freeman decided to remain on Earth, 307 00:28:14,866 --> 00:28:20,369 and Raquel continued as his partner while also raising Amistad. Though Raquel and Freeman 308 00:28:20,509 --> 00:28:26,853 often clashed, due to their conflicting political viewpoints, Raquel did develop a close relationship 309 00:28:26,973 --> 00:28:33,578 with another teenage hero of the city of Dakota, Static. As in Static Shock? Yeah, I mean, the 310 00:28:33,598 --> 00:28:37,661 name of the cartoon was Static Shock, but the character's name is Static. That's right, he's 311 00:28:37,681 --> 00:28:42,205 a milestone character. Yes, yeah. Now during the final crisis, when the villain Darkseid 312 00:28:42,245 --> 00:28:47,749 acquired the anti-life equation in DC's Prime Universe, the existence of the Dakotaverse 313 00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:54,061 was threatened. though a being known as Dharma managed to merge the city of Dakota into DC 314 00:28:54,121 --> 00:28:59,805 Prime. Though Freeman remembered Dakota once being part of a separate universe, Raquel and 315 00:28:59,945 --> 00:29:05,069 other members of Dakota were unaware of the merger, and Raquel remained Freeman's partner 316 00:29:05,229 --> 00:29:10,553 in the new continuity that was created. In the new DC universe, Icon was a member of a secret 317 00:29:10,613 --> 00:29:15,596 organization of superheroes known as the Shadow Cabinet, who were attacked by the Justice League 318 00:29:15,636 --> 00:29:21,575 while on a mission to Metropolis. At the behest of Icon, Rocket joined the Shadow Cabinet and 319 00:29:21,615 --> 00:29:26,717 helped protect its agents from the League, going toe to toe with Batman. The two teams eventually 320 00:29:26,777 --> 00:29:32,480 joined forces to defeat the villain Shadow Thief, and Icon and Rocket returned to Dakota, which 321 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,082 they continued to protect. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Raquel's origin remained largely 322 00:29:38,182 --> 00:29:43,664 unchanged, though upon Icon's and Rocket's initial mission to stop the drug trade, their actions 323 00:29:43,724 --> 00:29:49,176 ended up nearly crippling the global economy. In response, the United States government hired 324 00:29:49,216 --> 00:29:55,942 an alien assassin known as Mr. Lord to kill Icon and Rocket. With help from Static, Icon 325 00:29:55,982 --> 00:30:01,567 and Rocket were able to bring down Mr. Lord instead. Now powers-wise, Rocket is equipped 326 00:30:01,627 --> 00:30:07,532 with an inertia belt made from alien technology from Icon's escape pod that crash-landed him 327 00:30:07,592 --> 00:30:14,075 on Earth over a century ago. The inertia belt generates a usually invisible field around 328 00:30:14,155 --> 00:30:19,777 rocket that absorbs the kinetic energy of anything that crosses its surface, allowing rocket to 329 00:30:19,897 --> 00:30:26,459 store that energy for a variety of uses, including powerful energy punches, the ability to redirect 330 00:30:26,499 --> 00:30:33,381 that energy into thrown projectiles or focused energy beams, and high speed flight and maneuverability. 331 00:30:36,714 --> 00:30:41,816 Rocket can also surround opponents in an inertialist field, preventing them from moving or even 332 00:30:41,856 --> 00:30:47,119 breathing, though this uses a large amount of her stored energy and can only last for a few 333 00:30:47,199 --> 00:30:53,282 seconds. Any use of the energy stored by her belt drains some of its power. And that's Rocket! 334 00:30:53,822 --> 00:30:57,824 I don't know much about the Milestone universe. I completely forgot that static is a part of 335 00:30:57,884 --> 00:31:02,318 it, and it makes me think that we gotta get static in a duel sometime. Yeah, I would say 336 00:31:02,518 --> 00:31:07,561 Static and Icon are kind of the flagship characters of Milestone, although there's also Hardware. 337 00:31:07,921 --> 00:31:14,244 Now, the experimental tear gas that the mayor used on the gang members, is that the same 338 00:31:14,384 --> 00:31:19,787 mutagen that transformed Static's rogues gallery? Yes. Yeah, they go into the Big Bang on the 339 00:31:19,827 --> 00:31:23,769 cartoon, although it's a little bit different. Interesting. Pretty cool character. I'm interested 340 00:31:23,789 --> 00:31:28,552 in seeing how this fight will go out, especially with that inertia belt. But Gwen Stacy's got 341 00:31:28,592 --> 00:31:33,550 some tricks up her sleeves. Let me go into her backstory. In the Marvel Comics Multiverse, 342 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:40,374 in the timeline of Earth-616, Gwen Stacy was Peter Parker, aka Spider-Man's, first true 343 00:31:40,414 --> 00:31:45,977 love. The two met at Empire State University and began dating, however she was tragically 344 00:31:46,017 --> 00:31:50,479 killed by the Green Goblin who threw her off the George Washington Bridge. You can learn 345 00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:54,561 more about the Green Goblin in his duel against the Joker, and more about Spider-Man in his 346 00:31:54,601 --> 00:31:59,514 duel against Blue Beetle. Gwen's death was a defining moment in Spider-Man's life where 347 00:31:59,554 --> 00:32:05,316 he realized the full extent of the loss he could experience as a hero. However, in another universe, 348 00:32:05,616 --> 00:32:11,678 Earth-65, Gwen's Stacey story went a little different. Born in Forest Hills and Queens 349 00:32:11,738 --> 00:32:17,379 to Helen and George Stacey, Gwen also experienced loss from a young age when her mother died, 350 00:32:17,860 --> 00:32:22,981 leaving her dad, an NYPD captain, to raise her as a single father. To cope with her grief 351 00:32:23,121 --> 00:32:27,727 and overbearing home life, Gwen rebelled from her ballerina dancing lessons to take out her 352 00:32:27,747 --> 00:32:32,908 frustrations playing the drums. At Midtown High School, she became good friends with several 353 00:32:32,928 --> 00:32:38,810 students, including the shy but brilliant Peter Parker, the rebellious but affluent Harry Osborn, 354 00:32:39,370 --> 00:32:44,952 and the outgoing Mary Jane Watson, the latter of whom also shared a love of music and formed 355 00:32:44,992 --> 00:32:50,394 a band called the Mary Janes with Gwen and their friends Betty and Glory. One day, Gwen was 356 00:32:50,454 --> 00:32:55,155 bitten by a genetically engineered spider by random chance, altering her physiology and 357 00:32:55,175 --> 00:32:59,577 granting her the powers of a spider. Though she initially thought she could use her powers 358 00:32:59,617 --> 00:33:04,838 to win money for her band in a charity wrestling match, she stumbled upon a thief who was about 359 00:33:04,858 --> 00:33:11,020 to kill Ben Parker, her friend Peter's uncle. After saving Ben's life, she was inspired instead 360 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,061 to use her new ability selflessly and became a masked crime fighter by the name of Spider 361 00:33:16,101 --> 00:33:21,863 Woman. As Gwen's heroic reputation throughout New York grew, she was gifted a pair of web-shooters 362 00:33:21,983 --> 00:33:27,885 by the retired superhero, the Wasp. Gwen struggled to balance life as a student, rock musician, 363 00:33:28,145 --> 00:33:32,386 and superhero, but her misfortunes came to a head during her school prom where she was set 364 00:33:32,406 --> 00:33:38,348 to perform with the Mary Janes. Her friend Peter Parker idolized Spider-Woman and believed he 365 00:33:38,368 --> 00:33:43,634 could become a hero and avoid being bullied if he could also get similar superpowers. After 366 00:33:43,694 --> 00:33:49,196 experimenting with lizards, Peter turned himself into a mindless lizard-like creature that crashed 367 00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:54,738 the prom. Unaware that the lizard was her friend Peter, Gwen asked Spider-Woman beat the creature 368 00:33:54,778 --> 00:34:00,081 despite its pleas to stop. The lizard, severely injured, reverted back to Peter Parker, who 369 00:34:00,161 --> 00:34:04,983 died from his wounds in Spider-Woman's arms, his last words stating that he just wanted 370 00:34:05,023 --> 00:34:10,865 to be special like her. Shocked at what she had done, Gwen fled the scene branded a murderer. 371 00:34:11,478 --> 00:34:15,781 She was pursued by the police, including her father who saw Spider-Woman as a criminal. 372 00:34:16,241 --> 00:34:20,864 Haunted by Peter's death, she learned that with great power must come great responsibility 373 00:34:20,924 --> 00:34:26,348 to not abuse that power, and she sought redemption through helping others. She came out odds with 374 00:34:26,368 --> 00:34:31,211 the Kingpin of Crime and his right-hand man, a villain named Daredevil, who was the leader 375 00:34:31,271 --> 00:34:36,995 of the Hand Ninja Clan. Looking to appease Spider-Woman and bring them into their fold as an ally, 376 00:34:37,096 --> 00:34:42,258 the Hand went after police captain George Stacey. After thwarting the murder attempt, Gwen was 377 00:34:42,298 --> 00:34:47,281 held at gunpoint by her father and was forced to reveal her secret identity to him. Unable 378 00:34:47,321 --> 00:34:52,523 to arrest his daughter, Captain Stacy asked her to leave before he changed his mind. Shortly 379 00:34:52,603 --> 00:34:57,945 after, Gwen was recruited to join other spider-powered heroes from across the multiverse to band together 380 00:34:57,965 --> 00:35:02,808 to defeat a vampiric race of beings known as the Inheritors who were intent on consuming 381 00:35:02,868 --> 00:35:07,778 those representing the Spider Totem in order to prevent their prophesied destruction. She 382 00:35:07,818 --> 00:35:12,803 enjoyed seeing Peter Parker alive and well fighting as Spider-Man in multiple universes, as well 383 00:35:12,823 --> 00:35:17,827 as getting to know fellow Spider-Heroes Jessica Drew and Miles Morales, both of whom you can 384 00:35:17,847 --> 00:35:23,113 learn more about in our Queen Bee vs Spider-Woman and Batwing vs Spider-Man duels, respectively. 385 00:35:23,633 --> 00:35:27,577 After their battle, Gwen ended up returning to her universe and made up with her father. 386 00:35:27,957 --> 00:35:32,281 When the Marvel multiverse collapsed in on itself in a series of universe-ending incursions, 387 00:35:32,962 --> 00:35:38,065 villain Doctor Doom used the usurped power of the all-powerful beings known as the Beyonders 388 00:35:38,445 --> 00:35:44,289 to save everything by fashioning a Patrick planet of all universes called Battleworld. You can 389 00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:49,313 learn more about this in our Doctor Doom duel against Superman. Finding herself in the domain 390 00:35:49,473 --> 00:35:54,476 of Arachnia, Gwen teamed up with other Spider heroes such as Spider-Man Noir, Spider-Ham, 391 00:35:54,677 --> 00:35:59,600 and Spider-Man India to form a team called the Web Warriors who together defeated the Sinister 392 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,683 Six and Mayor Norman Osborn. Gwen and the team would go on to travel across the then restored 393 00:36:05,723 --> 00:36:11,726 multiverse to defend the Web of Life and Destiny, which was a construct of fate previously overseen 394 00:36:11,846 --> 00:36:17,228 by the mysterious Madame Web that was the source of her precognition and the source of the Spider-Sense 395 00:36:17,248 --> 00:36:23,591 powers shared by Spider-Heroes. For a brief period, Gwen stayed in Earth-616 to visit Jessica 396 00:36:23,631 --> 00:36:28,493 Drew, where she learned more about the mainstream Marvel universes Gwen Stacy and Peter Parker. 397 00:36:29,014 --> 00:36:33,617 Returning to her home timeline, Gwen discovered that her former friend Harry Osborn had gone 398 00:36:33,717 --> 00:36:38,361 mad with guilt that he couldn't prevent the death of Peter Parker and had sworn vengeance 399 00:36:38,461 --> 00:36:43,666 on Spider-Woman. He took a modified version of Peter's lizard formula and transformed into 400 00:36:43,686 --> 00:36:49,511 the Green Goblin, fighting and unmasking Spider-Woman. When it was revealed that his enemy was also 401 00:36:49,551 --> 00:36:54,462 his former friend Gwen, the formula caused him to lose control. With an assist by Captain 402 00:36:54,482 --> 00:36:59,226 America, Gwen was able to administer a serum suppressant and the Green Goblin was defeated. 403 00:36:59,646 --> 00:37:05,510 However, shortly after, Gwen lost her own powers after receiving a similar suppressant. Meanwhile, 404 00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:11,434 at OzCorp, a scientist named Elsa Brock combined the company's spider research with her work 405 00:37:11,494 --> 00:37:17,098 on an alien parasite and Peter Parker's formula to inadvertently create the Venom symbiote, 406 00:37:17,238 --> 00:37:22,490 which ended up bonding with Gwen, transforming her into Gwenem and restoring her powers. You 407 00:37:22,510 --> 00:37:27,473 can learn more about Klintar symbiotes in our Clayface vs Venom and Lobo vs Carnage dual 408 00:37:27,493 --> 00:37:32,577 episodes. The symbiote had a vicious hold on Gwen that compelled her to unleash her inner 409 00:37:32,717 --> 00:37:37,861 anger on her enemies and even allies. Fearful of her own actions, she surrendered herself 410 00:37:37,901 --> 00:37:41,784 to the international law enforcement agency known as SHIELD where she was imprisoned for 411 00:37:41,824 --> 00:37:47,448 a time. Discovering how to control the symbiote, Gwen rejoined the Web Warriors and renamed 412 00:37:47,488 --> 00:37:54,139 herself forming a slight romantic relationship with fellow Spider-Hero Miles Morales. Looking 413 00:37:54,179 --> 00:37:59,560 to learn more about the symbiote, but unable to find Dr. Elsa Brock, Gwen traveled to Earth-616 414 00:38:00,401 --> 00:38:05,402 to have it studied by the mainstream Spider-Man. She ended up staying on Earth-616, where she 415 00:38:05,442 --> 00:38:11,304 pursued a degree at Empire State University. And that's her backstory. Powers-wise, Spider-Gwen 416 00:38:11,344 --> 00:38:15,405 has Spider-based abilities granted to her by the genetically altered Spider that bit her, 417 00:38:15,805 --> 00:38:20,494 and later, the genetically altered symbiote. With these enhancements, she has increased 418 00:38:20,634 --> 00:38:26,556 speed, agility, durability, and strength, able to lift up to 10 tons. She can stick to any 419 00:38:26,616 --> 00:38:31,598 surface, and can fire symbiote-generated webbing to ensnare enemies and swing from buildings. 420 00:38:32,058 --> 00:38:37,079 The symbiote also lets her camouflage her appearance, hence the name Ghost Spider, grants her a healing 421 00:38:37,099 --> 00:38:42,061 factor, and she can generate small symbiotic offshoots that resemble spiders that she can 422 00:38:42,201 --> 00:38:47,575 use to scout environments. In addition, Ghost Spider has a precognitive spider sense that 423 00:38:47,635 --> 00:38:52,876 warns her of oncoming danger and wears a pendant that allows her to travel the multiverse. She's 424 00:38:52,916 --> 00:38:58,558 a reasonable detective having learned investigation tips from her father and is a talented musician 425 00:38:58,918 --> 00:39:04,400 and former ballerina. Because she is the host of a modified Klyntar symbiote, she is weak 426 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,981 to extreme heat and sonic based attacks. Wait, who says you gotta go with this Venom version 427 00:39:10,021 --> 00:39:15,663 of the character? That is the existing and long-standing version of the character. Is this the version 428 00:39:15,683 --> 00:39:20,724 with like the teeth all over the hood? That was her outfit when she first got the Venom 429 00:39:20,744 --> 00:39:25,986 symbiote. Yes. But ever since she started going by Ghost Spider, she has gone with her traditional 430 00:39:26,106 --> 00:39:31,688 Spider-Woman outfit. OK, interesting. Didn't I realize that she had a symbiote that kind 431 00:39:31,728 --> 00:39:35,849 of changes things? We'll see how this goes. Yeah, I mean, it's a nice way to differentiate 432 00:39:35,889 --> 00:39:41,217 her from Spider-Man, you know. Miles Morales has his bioelectricity and his ability to turn 433 00:39:41,257 --> 00:39:47,143 invisible. Gwen has her symbiote powers. Like, her universe's version of the Klyntar are basically 434 00:39:47,444 --> 00:39:53,350 alien spiders, and her suit is basically comprised of those small spiders. Interesting. Yeah, 435 00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:57,754 she calls them gummy spiders, and she uses them to gather intel. It's pretty cool stuff. She 436 00:39:57,834 --> 00:40:00,737 uses the symbiote in a way that, like, none of the other symbiotes have used it. 437 00:40:07,726 --> 00:40:12,349 But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 438 00:40:12,409 --> 00:40:18,453 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not this speculation, 439 00:40:18,673 --> 00:40:24,597 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 440 00:40:25,438 --> 00:40:29,441 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge 441 00:40:29,461 --> 00:40:33,864 of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other 442 00:40:33,884 --> 00:40:38,955 character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin 443 00:40:38,995 --> 00:40:44,059 approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript environment that will have no bearing on the 444 00:40:44,099 --> 00:40:49,443 match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants 445 00:40:49,483 --> 00:40:54,927 must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. Rocket and Spider Gwen 446 00:40:54,987 --> 00:40:59,330 meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm gonna say Spider Gwen starts this match off 447 00:40:59,350 --> 00:41:05,338 because like, Rocket can't do shit anyway without having absorbed any kinetic energy. No, no, 448 00:41:05,558 --> 00:41:10,482 rocket's starting off this match with a sizable amount of kinetic energy already stored up. 449 00:41:10,602 --> 00:41:18,348 Nice try. But Spider Gwen's gonna go first anyway. She's gonna leap into the air and she shoots 450 00:41:18,448 --> 00:41:23,792 a pair of web strands on each side of rocket. And she's gonna use them like a slingshot to 451 00:41:23,812 --> 00:41:28,756 just fling herself right into rocket with a flying kick. But it's like a graceful ballerina 452 00:41:28,816 --> 00:41:33,514 flying kick. Okay, so. Spider Gwen, you know, she's probably strong enough to knock Rocket 453 00:41:33,554 --> 00:41:38,316 back with an attack like that, but it's not going to hurt her because, you know, the energy 454 00:41:38,336 --> 00:41:42,717 from the attack just gets absorbed into Rockets and nourish her field, which she's going to 455 00:41:42,837 --> 00:41:48,958 use to bounce back and rocket herself right into Spider Gwen, delivering a kinetic energy 456 00:41:48,998 --> 00:41:54,360 punch that's just going to send Gwen flying. But you forgot, my friend, that Spidey sense 457 00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:59,501 is a thing. Oh, my God, that Spider Gwen has. So she's going to dodge this oncoming attack 458 00:41:59,581 --> 00:42:04,685 from Rocket. with some like mid-air splits type stuff. And she's gonna shoot a web line that 459 00:42:04,825 --> 00:42:09,629 sticks to Rocket and Rocket gets redirected from the web line and gets slammed right into 460 00:42:09,649 --> 00:42:15,974 the ground. Would Rocket's field block the webbing? I mean, even if it did, it would still stick 461 00:42:15,994 --> 00:42:20,178 to the field. No, it doesn't work like that. I'm guessing like the webbing probably doesn't 462 00:42:20,218 --> 00:42:24,821 hold much kinetic energy actually, because it's not like when they stick to people, they impact 463 00:42:24,861 --> 00:42:31,038 the people. So sure, let's say the webs get through Rocket's field, when she's slammed 464 00:42:31,078 --> 00:42:35,682 into the ground, like again, it's not going to hurt Rocket. She's just going to absorb 465 00:42:35,722 --> 00:42:42,166 the force of the ground hitting her and gain more energy. But the impact of the ground against 466 00:42:42,206 --> 00:42:47,190 her inertia field does break some stones loose from the ground, which Rocket is just going 467 00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:53,255 to pick up and hurl at Gwen like bullets. Spider Gwen's just going to like bullet time dodge 468 00:42:53,295 --> 00:42:58,550 that shit, you know, like Beatrix type stuff. OK, we'll dodge this. Rocket, she's gonna fire 469 00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:03,233 off a focused beam of kinetic energy like a laser, which is, you know, a lot faster than 470 00:43:03,273 --> 00:43:09,936 bullets. So Gwen for sure gets tagged and knocks to the ground. Okay, uh, I mean, but Gwen's 471 00:43:09,976 --> 00:43:15,640 durable, you know, she'll take this kinetic force blast, like a champ, and she gets knocked 472 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:20,142 down, she'll just perform this like backward somersault into like a back handspring and 473 00:43:20,342 --> 00:43:25,905 she's back on her feet. No biggie. But then, using her symbiote, she's gonna camouflage 474 00:43:25,925 --> 00:43:30,780 herself. to blend into the environment that they're in, so Rocket can no longer see her. 475 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:36,864 Ooh, good move. Okay, I mean, Rocket's probably a little freaked out and looking around because 476 00:43:36,884 --> 00:43:43,288 she knows that she's vulnerable to stealth attacks, right? So she's gonna take to the air and she's 477 00:43:43,368 --> 00:43:49,572 gonna shoot up into the sky just to keep her distance. Oh, too late though. Suddenly Rocket 478 00:43:49,592 --> 00:43:54,643 gets yanked down as she tries to take off. and gets pulled back toward the ground where she 479 00:43:54,723 --> 00:44:01,088 lands in this giant sticky web net that traps her and prevents her from moving. Shit. Uh, 480 00:44:01,108 --> 00:44:05,952 we're gonna test the strength of these webs. As soon as Rocket gets trapped, she's gonna 481 00:44:06,272 --> 00:44:12,177 blast herself sideways, like trying to pull herself free from the webs. And as Rocket's 482 00:44:12,237 --> 00:44:18,282 trying to free herself, bam! Spider-Gwen reappears and straight up kicks Rocket right in the face. 483 00:44:18,502 --> 00:44:23,858 And Rocket's like, out of my face! Okay, actually that kick... just gave her the extra amount 484 00:44:23,898 --> 00:44:29,140 of energy she needed to break free of those webs. And she's going to quickly fly at Gwen 485 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:35,783 and trap her in an inertialist field. So Gwen is frozen there for a few seconds, just unable 486 00:44:35,823 --> 00:44:41,305 to move or dodge this kinetic punch that's so powerful that Rocket's going to spend all of 487 00:44:41,325 --> 00:44:46,407 her stored kinetic energy to deliver it. And this punch could like knock back Icon and destroy 488 00:44:46,427 --> 00:44:53,475 a building. So Gwen essentially explodes from the force of it. Match over. Actually, at the 489 00:44:53,515 --> 00:44:57,858 very start of the match, you know, when Gwen first made contact with Rocket by kicking her, 490 00:44:57,878 --> 00:45:05,305 Uh huh. At that point, Gwen actually imparted several symbiote spiders onto Rocket that have 491 00:45:05,385 --> 00:45:10,509 been crawling over her, making their way into Rocket's inertia belt and just gumming up that 492 00:45:10,529 --> 00:45:15,914 technology and making it useless. So when Rocket goes in for this like powerful kinetic punch 493 00:45:15,974 --> 00:45:21,138 killing blow, she's actually just powerless. She has no more power. Doesn't work. And then 494 00:45:21,298 --> 00:45:26,401 at that point, Spider Gwen is freed from her inertialist field and lays an everloving beat 495 00:45:26,421 --> 00:45:33,845 down on Rocket. And that is how this match is won. Actually, I don't know, Spider Gwen gets 496 00:45:33,905 --> 00:45:39,488 punched before the spiders ever make it to her belt. So, yeah, that's what actually happens. 497 00:45:39,848 --> 00:45:45,651 But yeah, we'll leave the match here. Either Rocket delivers this explosive kinetic punch 498 00:45:45,691 --> 00:45:52,812 that just vaporizes Spider Gwen or Spider Gwen managed to get these gummy spiders onto Rocket 499 00:45:52,872 --> 00:45:57,836 early in the match that gum up her alien technology belt, rendering her powerless and defenseless 500 00:45:57,936 --> 00:46:02,681 against Spider-Gwen's fatal barrage of attacks. To find out which of these scenarios happens, 501 00:46:03,041 --> 00:46:06,765 let's plug in the stats for these characters, run the simulations, and come back with a winner. 502 00:46:07,285 --> 00:46:15,633 AJ9K, hit it! Inputting data. Running calculations. Processing results. Simulations complete. Alright, 503 00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:20,803 so- These characters are actually pretty similar in more ways than I thought. Like they both 504 00:46:20,883 --> 00:46:26,685 wear outfits that are alien in nature. They're both highly agile. They could both trap their 505 00:46:26,725 --> 00:46:31,386 opponents. But there were a few differences. Like we said, Rocket is actually faster than 506 00:46:31,446 --> 00:46:36,367 Spider Gwynn. Right. And more evasive as well, considering she's constantly wearing essentially 507 00:46:36,387 --> 00:46:42,089 a force field. However, we did say Gwynn was more durable and stronger than Rocket. Yeah, 508 00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:47,096 when it came to the physical stats. Gwen definitely came out on top because Rocket is just a human 509 00:46:47,156 --> 00:46:52,520 after all. That said, she does pack quite a powerful punch, capable of some pretty powerful 510 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,825 attacks, so we gave her the edge damage level wise. When it came to fighting skill, intelligence, 511 00:46:58,945 --> 00:47:04,589 versatility, they basically balanced out. We said that Rocket has a greater range, but Spider 512 00:47:04,629 --> 00:47:09,533 Gwen has greater perception due to not only her spider sense, but also her symbiote spiders 513 00:47:09,573 --> 00:47:13,627 that can feed her intel. So taking all of this into account, who do you think came out on 514 00:47:13,667 --> 00:47:20,109 top? Joseph? I have no damn clue. This is an interesting one. I can't really tell based 515 00:47:20,149 --> 00:47:24,131 off the stats who's going to win. I thought this was a pretty good match. Honestly, I'm 516 00:47:24,231 --> 00:47:29,613 pulling for Spider Gwen, though, and Instagram agrees with me. Sixty five percent of the people 517 00:47:29,633 --> 00:47:34,655 who participated in our poll picked Spider Gwen to win this fight. Well, that's just because 518 00:47:34,715 --> 00:47:40,397 Rocket has yet to be in a film. Milestone actually is making a few animated projects, I believe. 519 00:47:40,886 --> 00:47:46,248 So hopefully that changes soon. But let's find out if you're right. AJ9K, the results please. 520 00:47:46,848 --> 00:47:54,551 Hey, you are, sir. All right, the winner of the matchup between Rocket and Spider-Gwen 521 00:47:55,252 --> 00:48:06,336 is Spider-Gwen. Hell yeah. She won 58.3% of the 1000 matches or 583 matches total, as compared 522 00:48:06,356 --> 00:48:12,535 to Rocket who won 417. All right, so what was the stat that gave Spider-Gwen her greatest 523 00:48:12,575 --> 00:48:18,319 advantage? It was two of them. It was perception and strength. Now, Rocket is strong when it 524 00:48:18,359 --> 00:48:23,562 comes to punches, when it comes to like lifting strength, not so much. And I mean, Spider-Sense 525 00:48:23,622 --> 00:48:28,204 is conceptually hard to overcome. I feel like Spider-Gwen could just dodge Rocket's attacks 526 00:48:28,344 --> 00:48:32,647 all day long. I mean, it's not like Spider-Gwen can do much to hurt Rocket either. Well, I 527 00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:37,514 mean, except for the whole stealth attack thing. Shit. Yeah, I guess this makes sense. And it 528 00:48:37,534 --> 00:48:41,476 makes sense that Marvel would win like every fight, right? It never makes sense to me when 529 00:48:41,516 --> 00:48:48,980 Marvel loses. Marvel is just better as you learned here today. I didn't learn shit. That does 530 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,522 it for this duel. Let us know what you thought about the results by writing to us at dynamic 531 00:48:52,562 --> 00:48:57,424 dual podcast at gmail.com or by visiting us on Instagram, which you can find a link to 532 00:48:57,465 --> 00:49:02,587 in our show notes or by visiting our website at dynamic dual dot com. And on our site, you 533 00:49:02,607 --> 00:49:07,126 could also find a link to our Patreon page where you could join our dynamic two tier. and chat 534 00:49:07,146 --> 00:49:12,248 with us and fellow listeners. 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