1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,957 This is a Dynamike Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,362 --> 00:00:29,746 Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:29,786 --> 00:00:35,751 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:36,151 --> 00:00:42,276 I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And I have no idea why I'm leading this 5 00:00:42,317 --> 00:00:47,681 episode. It's like an all Marvel episode. Not only are we reviewing Madame Webb later on, 6 00:00:48,322 --> 00:00:52,705 it was alright, it wasn't terrible, but we're also breaking down the news from this past 7 00:00:52,765 --> 00:00:58,491 week. which includes the release dates for Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four being swapped and the trailer 8 00:00:58,531 --> 00:01:04,333 for the X-Men 97 cartoon that's coming out on Disney+. This is my favorite kind of episode, 9 00:01:04,573 --> 00:01:09,494 is the all Marvel episode. Like why am I even here? I ask myself that question every single 10 00:01:09,534 --> 00:01:14,455 time we record together. Honestly, who needs a Marvel vs. DC podcast when you could just 11 00:01:14,475 --> 00:01:20,057 have a Marvel podcast? Ugh, this sounds not very fun at all. Just like Madame Web and the 12 00:01:20,097 --> 00:01:25,412 movies that Marvel makes. You mean Sony? No, Marvel. Eh, Marvel has to take credit for it, 13 00:01:25,452 --> 00:01:29,776 too. Their name's in the front of it. As always, guys, we list our segment times in our episode 14 00:01:29,816 --> 00:01:33,799 description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular 15 00:01:33,859 --> 00:01:40,265 topic. Our artificially intelligent dual simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our listeners, 16 00:01:40,545 --> 00:01:47,873 so listen up. Why hello there. 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This week hosts Ken and Scotty find 32 00:03:03,747 --> 00:03:10,369 out who'd win in a fight between Johnny from Surf Ninjas and Colt from Three Ninjas. Now 33 00:03:10,429 --> 00:03:14,823 that's a throwback. Totally, can't wait for that one. Also make sure to tune in to the 34 00:03:14,923 --> 00:03:20,366 Send Your World podcast, where host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite 35 00:03:20,486 --> 00:03:25,809 anime characters. This week, we'll find out who would win between Roronoa Zoro from One 36 00:03:25,829 --> 00:03:30,772 Piece and Ezra Scarlett from Fairy Tail. As always, I'm sure you nailed that pronunciation. 37 00:03:31,072 --> 00:03:36,455 Probably not. On the Console Combat podcast, hosts John and Dean find out who would win 38 00:03:36,475 --> 00:03:41,454 in fights between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode. We found out who'd 39 00:03:41,494 --> 00:03:49,259 win between Halo's Master Chief and God of War's Kratos. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click 40 00:03:49,299 --> 00:03:54,643 on the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamike Podcast Network. 41 00:03:55,123 --> 00:04:01,347 But with that out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to 42 00:04:01,367 --> 00:04:06,871 give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram 43 00:04:06,911 --> 00:04:11,678 for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week's question 44 00:04:11,718 --> 00:04:16,943 we asked, what has been your favorite Deadpool joke out of all of Deadpool media? And that 45 00:04:16,963 --> 00:04:22,007 was coming off of the Deadpool and Wolverine trailer that we got during the Super Bowl. 46 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:26,250 We got four answers, so we'll break down this week's honorable mentions before revealing 47 00:04:26,410 --> 00:04:33,196 the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Clayton DeMato, who said, Hey there 48 00:04:33,216 --> 00:04:40,121 guys, my name is Clayton DeMato, long time listener. As someone who enjoys to have his balls fondled. 49 00:04:40,482 --> 00:04:47,326 probably go where Deadpool talks about fondling Wolverine's balls. But ultimately, I think 50 00:04:47,446 --> 00:04:54,171 the best is when Deadpool is fighting the mercenaries in the car and he sticks the lighter in the 51 00:04:54,211 --> 00:04:59,795 guy's throat and tells him not to swallow. Yes, this was one of many off-color jokes made in 52 00:04:59,835 --> 00:05:05,960 the first Deadpool movie, for which I saw way too many kids in theaters. I'm sure half the 53 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,262 jokes went over their heads, but still people got to- Look at what the rating is before they 54 00:05:10,282 --> 00:05:19,107 take their kids to see a superhero movie. OK, dad. Yeah, I am one. The don't swallow joke. 55 00:05:19,327 --> 00:05:24,830 It's solid. It's quick. It's witty. It has a perfect mix of being both adult and crude, 56 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:28,872 but also clever, which is one of the great things I think about the Deadpool movies and Ryan 57 00:05:28,912 --> 00:05:33,755 Reynolds style of humor is that it technically is juvenile, but it's not necessarily childish, 58 00:05:33,795 --> 00:05:38,938 if that makes sense. Great answer, Clayton. Our next honorable mention goes to Cornelius 59 00:05:38,978 --> 00:05:45,921 Robinson who said, Hey guys, this is Cornelius Robinson and my favorite joke from the Deadpool 60 00:05:45,941 --> 00:05:51,683 media is through the movies. When he mentioned that Nickassan and Teenage Warhead and Clauses 61 00:05:52,003 --> 00:05:58,186 were in a big house living together all alone. And it was funny how it was almost the studio 62 00:05:58,626 --> 00:06:06,549 didn't have any more money for new X-Men members. Which was a meta joke and was returned in the 63 00:06:06,589 --> 00:06:12,044 sequel. and it cracked me up. Yeah, that was a little bit of self-deprecating humor on behalf 64 00:06:12,084 --> 00:06:17,367 of the studio. Great joke with Deadpool referencing how only Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Colossus 65 00:06:17,387 --> 00:06:21,750 seem to be at the X-Men Mansion all the time. I really did love the follow-up in Deadpool 66 00:06:21,790 --> 00:06:27,513 2 when we saw the cast of X-Men Dark Phoenix in one of the classrooms, like basically hiding 67 00:06:27,553 --> 00:06:33,156 from Deadpool. So good. It did make me wonder where in the timeline the second Deadpool movie 68 00:06:33,256 --> 00:06:37,987 fit, but yeah, it was a great gag. It was a meta joke, it doesn't necessarily have to be 69 00:06:38,027 --> 00:06:42,771 scrutinized in the larger continuity. Sure, sure, I get that. But great answer Cornelius, 70 00:06:42,851 --> 00:06:48,555 our final honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, Hey guys, Travis here. So my favorite 71 00:06:48,575 --> 00:06:54,320 joke would have to be from the Deadpool 2 teaser where he's changing into his superhero costume. 72 00:06:54,760 --> 00:07:00,324 Mostly just from the realism from it, like we all think we'd be these badass superheroes 73 00:07:00,364 --> 00:07:04,511 and stuff though, but let's be honest with me. would take that long just to get into our superhero 74 00:07:04,551 --> 00:07:10,274 costume and possibly get the same outcome like in the teaser. So that's my favorite joke just 75 00:07:10,314 --> 00:07:15,558 from the realism for me as well as just the Superman theme too. Yeah, I'm not sure how 76 00:07:15,578 --> 00:07:20,741 many people remember the teaser trailer to Deadpool 2. It was played in front of the Logan movie. 77 00:07:20,981 --> 00:07:25,327 It was essentially... Wade Wilson walking down and seeing an old man getting mugged in an 78 00:07:25,407 --> 00:07:30,090 alley and he runs into a phone booth to change into his Deadpool costume and it just takes 79 00:07:30,130 --> 00:07:33,972 entirely way too long. That's the joke. It takes him like two minutes just to change into his 80 00:07:33,992 --> 00:07:38,215 Deadpool costume and in the meantime before he can even get out of the phone booth we hear 81 00:07:38,675 --> 00:07:45,019 the old man get shot. Great gag. A hilarious way to kick off the marketing for Deadpool 82 00:07:45,059 --> 00:07:49,858 2. I had almost completely forgot about this teaser until Travis brought it up again. And 83 00:07:49,898 --> 00:07:55,920 now you just remember Ryan Reynolds ass. Thanks for that. The Stan Lee cameo in that teaser 84 00:07:55,940 --> 00:07:59,282 was pretty good, too, where he's like, hey, nice suit. And he's like, zip it, Stanley. 85 00:08:01,122 --> 00:08:07,005 R.A.P. Great answer, Travis. But the winner of this week's no prize is Sean Curtis. Who 86 00:08:07,045 --> 00:08:14,508 said, hey, guys, Sean Curtis, I have to say my favorite Deadpool joke of all time off the 87 00:08:14,528 --> 00:08:19,394 top of my head anyway, would be from Ultimate Spider-Man when Spider-Man is trying to warn 88 00:08:19,574 --> 00:08:27,459 Deadpool of Taskmaster's booby traps and Deadpool goes, ha ha, traps. Because I'm expecting him 89 00:08:27,499 --> 00:08:34,464 to say, to be laughing at boobies, but it's simple and catches me off guard. Yeah, and 90 00:08:34,524 --> 00:08:40,968 another classic Deadpool style joke where again it mixes the juvenile with the clever. In the 91 00:08:41,048 --> 00:08:46,043 Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, Spider-Man... and Deadpool teamed up against Taskmaster. And 92 00:08:46,304 --> 00:08:50,607 it was a nice bit of subversion where you think that Deadpool, upon hearing the phrase booby 93 00:08:50,627 --> 00:08:54,971 traps is going to laugh at booby. But of course, he laughs at traps. He's like, you said traps. 94 00:08:55,311 --> 00:08:58,854 It was a great gag. I never saw the ultimate Spider-Man cartoon. I didn't even know Deadpool 95 00:08:58,894 --> 00:09:04,939 was in that. He seems like a risky character for a cartoon. But, yeah, solid joke. Well, 96 00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:08,943 the nice thing about Deadpool is that you can make him as PG or rated R as you want to. And 97 00:09:09,003 --> 00:09:13,106 it just kind of works. As long as he's quirky and funny, it'll still feel like him. Do you 98 00:09:13,126 --> 00:09:18,547 have a favorite Deadpool joke? I really like the dig at DC that he did in Deadpool 2 where 99 00:09:18,567 --> 00:09:23,628 he's like, so dark, are you sure you're not from the DC universe? That was quality. This 100 00:09:23,648 --> 00:09:30,430 is fucking worst joke. No, but like I would say mine is in sort of the same scene. He's 101 00:09:30,490 --> 00:09:35,712 introduced to Black Tom Cassidy and he was like, hi, white Wade Wilson. And then later on he 102 00:09:35,732 --> 00:09:43,054 was just like, you killed Black Tom Cassidy. You racist. I was cracking up. Yeah. I also 103 00:09:43,094 --> 00:09:48,136 really liked the Juggernaut song though. Like that one stick with me for a while. Holy shit 104 00:09:48,156 --> 00:09:55,359 balls. Yeah, that was great. Yeah, Deadpool's humor is actually really solid and it makes 105 00:09:55,379 --> 00:09:59,641 me really excited to see Deadpool and Wolverine coming out the summer. So congrats again to 106 00:09:59,661 --> 00:10:02,722 Sean Curtis for winning this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning 107 00:10:02,742 --> 00:10:07,224 your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another Question 108 00:10:07,264 --> 00:10:10,645 of the Week. And now that that's done, on to the news. 109 00:10:16,226 --> 00:10:22,792 Alright, this past Valentine's Day we got official word from Marvel Studios finally that Pedro 110 00:10:22,832 --> 00:10:28,357 Pascal will be playing Mr. Fantastic, Vanessa Kirby will be Sue Storm, Joseph Quinn will 111 00:10:28,377 --> 00:10:33,441 be Johnny Storm, and Iban Mas Bakrak, I'm still not sure if I'm pronouncing that correctly, 112 00:10:33,662 --> 00:10:39,547 but he'll be Ben Grimm. Now we talked about this news last week, before it was officially 113 00:10:39,587 --> 00:10:44,290 confirmed, but all but confirmed. It's nice to finally- get that news from the studio itself. 114 00:10:44,450 --> 00:10:48,792 It's shaping up to be a great cast. Really can't wait to see them as Marvel's first family. 115 00:10:49,332 --> 00:10:54,574 And out of all the cast that the Fantastic Four franchise has had so far in live action, this 116 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:58,496 one actually seems the most interesting to me. Yeah, it is interesting. I think it's a great 117 00:10:58,516 --> 00:11:04,118 cast. The logo is what I found most interesting. Like it almost makes me wonder if the Fantastic 118 00:11:04,138 --> 00:11:09,160 Four is gonna be a period piece. I've heard rumors that was gonna be the case. And I think 119 00:11:09,180 --> 00:11:15,880 that this mid-century logo proves that. I think they're really gonna set up the Fantastic Four 120 00:11:16,060 --> 00:11:22,344 as like Marvel's first superhero family chronologically within the Marvel Universe and have them like 121 00:11:22,424 --> 00:11:27,588 maybe time travel into the present day by the end of the film. And why not? I mean, that 122 00:11:27,608 --> 00:11:32,791 could work. It worked with Captain Marvel. So. Right. Yeah, exactly. But besides the cast 123 00:11:32,831 --> 00:11:38,315 and potentially the setting of the movie, we also got a release date change for the film. 124 00:11:38,615 --> 00:11:44,194 It was originally going to kick off the summer season in 2025. coming out May 2nd, but Fantastic 125 00:11:44,214 --> 00:11:49,096 Four has been pushed back to July 25th, which is the date when the Thunderbolts movie was 126 00:11:49,116 --> 00:11:54,198 going to come out, but that film has been moved up to May 2nd, so basically they just swapped 127 00:11:54,258 --> 00:11:59,701 dates. So now Thunderbolts is kicking off the summer movie season, which I think is good 128 00:11:59,761 --> 00:12:04,863 news. I think it shows that Marvel has faith in the Thunderbolts movie to have such a valuable 129 00:12:04,903 --> 00:12:11,225 release date. Have they started filming Thunderbolts? Not yet, no. Man, that seems like a quick turnaround. 130 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:17,047 But I imagine it has fewer special effects than Fantastic Four would need. Maybe. Who knows? 131 00:12:17,587 --> 00:12:22,249 A few months prior to that, in February, we're going to get Captain America, Brave New World, 132 00:12:22,369 --> 00:12:26,110 which has already started filming and I think is close to wrapping up here. I think this 133 00:12:26,130 --> 00:12:30,171 is all great news. It gives the studio more time to work on Fantastic Four, which, you 134 00:12:30,191 --> 00:12:35,112 know, is a flagship franchise that needs to be done right in its third iteration. And nothing 135 00:12:35,132 --> 00:12:39,922 got pushed back. It's just dates that are swapping. So we can still expect. something Marvel to 136 00:12:39,942 --> 00:12:44,924 come out on those original dates. Yeah, next year. Again, I'm really just hoping for this 137 00:12:44,964 --> 00:12:49,126 year to fly by. I know it's gonna be a crazy year with like the election and everything. 138 00:12:49,586 --> 00:12:54,828 Just bring on 2025 after The Joker, of course, cause I really want to see that, but yeah, 139 00:12:54,908 --> 00:13:00,430 2025 is gonna be better than 2024, I'm pretty sure. Now I don't want to skip over Deadpool 140 00:13:00,450 --> 00:13:04,212 and Wolverine. So we could get to that movie and then once it comes out, then yeah, I'm 141 00:13:04,232 --> 00:13:08,253 ready for 2025 already. All right, we'll just skip to Deadpool and Wolverine, then skip to 142 00:13:08,273 --> 00:13:12,906 The Joker. and then skip to 2025. No, skip to Christmas, because you can't skip Christmas, 143 00:13:12,946 --> 00:13:16,130 man. That's true. That's fair. What are we talking about? I don't know. 144 00:13:19,414 --> 00:13:24,600 But let's go to move on to the next bit of news here, which is that the official trailer for 145 00:13:24,620 --> 00:13:30,302 the X-Men 97 cartoon has been released. It was released under a new banner. called Marvel 146 00:13:30,362 --> 00:13:34,363 Animation, which is pretty exciting to see, because I think it signifies that Marvel is 147 00:13:34,383 --> 00:13:39,065 going to be producing a lot more animated projects. Yeah, maybe What If will fall under that banner 148 00:13:39,105 --> 00:13:43,707 now, that's Spider-Man series, the prequel series that they're coming up with. I forget the name 149 00:13:43,747 --> 00:13:48,449 of it. Yeah, that was originally called Spider-Man Freshman Year, but they've since changed the 150 00:13:48,489 --> 00:13:52,811 title to Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. I'm surprised there's not a home in there somewhere, 151 00:13:53,551 --> 00:13:58,273 but that's probably Marvel Animation, I imagine, as well. Marvel Zombies is also going to be 152 00:13:58,333 --> 00:14:03,657 animated. when that comes out. So, lots of projects for Marvel Animation cannot wait. These type 153 00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:08,940 of stories do really well, I think, in animation and Marvel hasn't really invested too much 154 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:13,163 in that lately. Their previous animated films weren't very good, but these series hopefully 155 00:14:13,203 --> 00:14:18,227 will be. Just like the X-Men cartoon was back in the 90s, the trailer starts off showing 156 00:14:18,327 --> 00:14:22,310 us clips from the series from Nali back when that ended and picks up right where it left 157 00:14:22,370 --> 00:14:27,193 off. It's cool that the camera goes into the analog screen and basically takes us right 158 00:14:27,233 --> 00:14:33,639 back into that world. The animation is a little bit different in style, but you can tell heavily 159 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:38,921 inspired by the 90s cartoon at the very least, especially in terms of character design, especially 160 00:14:38,941 --> 00:14:43,422 in terms of voice. Yeah, it sounds like the voice cast is returning, which I think I had 161 00:14:43,462 --> 00:14:47,903 already known that, but it was a nice kind of surprise to hear as well. Yeah, if it's not 162 00:14:47,923 --> 00:14:54,245 the original voice cast, they are remarkable impressionists. It's nice to see Cyclops as 163 00:14:54,285 --> 00:14:58,447 the leader of the team again. and really take center stage. Hopefully he proves to a whole 164 00:14:58,467 --> 00:15:03,191 new generation of fans that he is the de facto leader of the X-Men because the movies kind 165 00:15:03,231 --> 00:15:07,535 of gave him the shaft. The most standout moment for me in the trailer is when Wolverine is 166 00:15:07,595 --> 00:15:13,559 charging toward the camera, Gambit jumps on his back and charges his claws up with kinetic 167 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,122 energy. I thought that was really dope. Yeah, it was a nice combo move, kind of like a fastball 168 00:15:17,162 --> 00:15:22,174 special, you know, if Colossus isn't around or anything like that. Yeah. I like there was 169 00:15:22,254 --> 00:15:27,598 a scene with Storm and she has her new haircut. It's like the ponytail kind of thing and there's 170 00:15:27,618 --> 00:15:31,501 just lightning crackling all around her. I'm like, oh shit, the animation is a lot better 171 00:15:31,561 --> 00:15:37,125 than in the 90s. Yeah, the ponytail hair here is kind of like a nice compromise between, 172 00:15:37,225 --> 00:15:41,869 you know, her long flowing hair from the 90s cartoon and also her mohawk style. I really 173 00:15:41,909 --> 00:15:47,773 like the way it looks here. Yeah, same. We see Jean Grey in this trailer who appears to be 174 00:15:47,873 --> 00:15:52,575 pregnant. Which is a surprise because that never happened in the comic books. Scott knocked 175 00:15:52,635 --> 00:15:59,218 up Madeline Pryor, who was a clone of Jean Grey. So either this version of Jean Grey is actually 176 00:15:59,238 --> 00:16:04,500 a clone or they're just going to make Jean Grey the mother of Cable, which is what I assume 177 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:10,943 they're going with here. I think that's Cable in the womb. Unless Wolverine's the father. 178 00:16:11,163 --> 00:16:17,298 Oh, shit scandals. I doubt that they would do that. But if they're making Jean Grey. Cable's 179 00:16:17,338 --> 00:16:22,080 mother. I'm totally fine with that because she basically raised him in the comic books anyway 180 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:27,723 when she and Scott were sent to the future to take care of him. I don't really like the character 181 00:16:27,743 --> 00:16:32,786 of Madeline Pryor or like the Goblin Queen or any of that stuff. So I won't miss her if she's 182 00:16:32,806 --> 00:16:37,529 gone. It looks like Magneto has taken over the whole school, which is kind of cool. Yeah, 183 00:16:37,569 --> 00:16:42,771 that is from the comics. Magneto took over the school around the time of the New Mutants and 184 00:16:42,911 --> 00:16:46,593 he kind of turned over a new leaf for a while before, you know, going back to being the villain. 185 00:16:47,226 --> 00:16:52,788 The trailer got me pumped up with loads of nostalgia. I remember loving this series as a kid, especially 186 00:16:52,828 --> 00:16:57,250 the first two seasons. The show kind of fell off after that. But the show was always known 187 00:16:57,290 --> 00:17:02,892 for seriously tackling the issues of prejudice and things like that. And hopefully this new 188 00:17:02,932 --> 00:17:06,473 cartoon really runs with those themes, keeps it as straight as possible, doesn't make it 189 00:17:06,493 --> 00:17:10,215 too goofy or anything like that because that's what made the original 90s X-Men cartoon so 190 00:17:10,235 --> 00:17:14,617 great. I can't wait for it. The show is actually going to debut pretty soon here in about a 191 00:17:14,737 --> 00:17:21,374 month on March 20th. on Disney Plus. And speaking of the 90 series, that brings us to our question 192 00:17:21,414 --> 00:17:21,816 of the week. 193 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:32,453 What was your favorite character from the X-Men 90s cartoon, besides Wolverine, and why? I 194 00:17:32,473 --> 00:17:36,975 mean, everyone's gonna say Wolverine, so yeah, that's probably a good caveat. Record your 195 00:17:37,035 --> 00:17:40,997 answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand 196 00:17:41,038 --> 00:17:45,040 corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could 197 00:17:45,060 --> 00:17:49,342 be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the 198 00:17:49,382 --> 00:17:54,445 podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a dynamic duel no prize that 199 00:17:54,465 --> 00:17:59,905 we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before February 24th. 200 00:18:07,118 --> 00:18:10,583 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get into 201 00:18:10,723 --> 00:18:16,633 our main event, where we review the latest Sony Spider-Man Universe movie, Madam Web. 202 00:18:33,522 --> 00:18:40,567 directed by S.J. Clarkson and stars Dakota Johnson, Sidney Sweeney, Isabella Merced, Celeste O'Connor, 203 00:18:40,747 --> 00:18:46,771 and Tahar Rahim. The movie is based on an obscure Spider-Man ally from the comic books, a mysterious 204 00:18:46,871 --> 00:18:51,675 psychic woman who can peer into the web of life and destiny, and has helped Spidey in several 205 00:18:51,735 --> 00:18:58,480 of his adventures. Madam Web is a project that literally no one asked for, centered around 206 00:18:58,500 --> 00:19:03,331 a character that isn't even bottom of the barrel. She's so under and below the barrel that you 207 00:19:03,351 --> 00:19:09,555 have to dig to find her. I wasn't anticipating this film, I only moderately enjoyed it and 208 00:19:09,615 --> 00:19:14,859 I won't be recommending it. I don't think a lot of people are going to be seeing this movie, 209 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:21,283 I don't think it's necessary to see. So as I give our obligatory spoiler warning for this 210 00:19:21,323 --> 00:19:26,547 review, I do so with great ambivalence. If you don't want to be spoiled on Madame Webb's plot, 211 00:19:27,107 --> 00:19:33,183 give us a pause and I wish you the best in seeing this movie. If it sounds like I'm actively 212 00:19:33,223 --> 00:19:37,746 discouraging people from seeing the film, you may be partially correct. It's gotten to the 213 00:19:37,786 --> 00:19:43,770 point now where the obviousness of Sony's disregard for the source material and the audience is 214 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:49,094 beyond the pale. For those who may not know, prior to the existence of Marvel Studios, the 215 00:19:49,134 --> 00:19:53,857 film rights for many Marvel characters were sold to outside studios with Spider-Man going 216 00:19:53,877 --> 00:19:59,341 to Sony. It made sense at the time because Marvel was a publishing company. They made comics. 217 00:19:59,381 --> 00:20:04,164 They didn't know how to make movies. But since the mid-2000s, Sony has cranked out a lot of 218 00:20:04,244 --> 00:20:09,148 subpar live action films, especially when compared to Marvel Studios, who has obviously had the 219 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:14,292 best handle on their own intellectual property. Spider-Man has fared much better at Marvel 220 00:20:14,372 --> 00:20:18,976 than he ever did at Sony, but technically the Spider-Man Home Trilogy films were a Marvel 221 00:20:19,016 --> 00:20:24,981 production of a Sony franchise, because to this day, Sony still has the rights to Spider-Man, 222 00:20:25,021 --> 00:20:28,984 and they will continue to have them as long as they keep making Spider-Man-related films 223 00:20:29,064 --> 00:20:34,618 and don't lapse on their contract. The only reason average films like The Amazing Spider-Man, 224 00:20:34,798 --> 00:20:40,240 Venom, Morbius, and now Madame Web were made was to keep the character from reverting to 225 00:20:40,340 --> 00:20:45,621 Marvel. In Sony's eyes, it's better to make a mediocre movie now that no one wants to see 226 00:20:45,821 --> 00:20:51,743 in order to retain the potential of making money later. And as a Marvel fan, and as a movie 227 00:20:51,763 --> 00:20:57,605 fan, that sucks. And if we have to show the studio that message with our wallets, then 228 00:20:57,625 --> 00:21:03,259 that's what we should probably do. Don't go through any great efforts to see this movie 229 00:21:03,379 --> 00:21:08,403 if you already weren't planning on doing so. Yeah, it's definitely not worth your time, 230 00:21:08,504 --> 00:21:13,267 I would say. Yeah, I mean, it's not terrible, but you're right, yeah. It's not worth probably 231 00:21:13,287 --> 00:21:17,151 the money that you would spend. I would probably say if you're gonna see it, wait until it's 232 00:21:17,191 --> 00:21:22,195 out of theaters on streaming. That being said, I'm not gonna bash this movie for the sake 233 00:21:22,215 --> 00:21:28,060 of it. I will remain as impartial as I can as a critic. There are some people out there saying 234 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:32,110 that this is the worst superhero movie ever made. But I think they're forgetting that 2015's 235 00:21:32,610 --> 00:21:38,033 Fantastic Four exists. Or Batman and Robin, which was worse than that. Or the Shaquille 236 00:21:38,053 --> 00:21:42,654 O'Neal Steel movie, which was worse than that. So, Madame Webbe, I would say, is around the 237 00:21:42,694 --> 00:21:48,797 same quality as Morbius, although I personally liked Morbius a little bit more. Madame Webbe 238 00:21:48,957 --> 00:21:52,959 is a film that is more divisive than outright horrible. And I'll say that I liked it a little 239 00:21:52,979 --> 00:21:57,881 bit more than I thought I would. But in the end, I could take it or leave it. Again, it's 240 00:21:57,901 --> 00:22:03,323 a film no one asked for. Yeah, I mean... I also liked it surprisingly a little bit more than 241 00:22:03,363 --> 00:22:07,426 I thought I would because I was expecting the worst movie that's ever been made honestly 242 00:22:07,446 --> 00:22:12,170 with the way film critics were talking about it. But I honestly liked it more than Morbius. 243 00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:16,853 I'd say I liked it more than Electra. There are worse Marvel movies than this in my opinion. 244 00:22:17,393 --> 00:22:24,698 Yeah, go see Howard the Duck, right? Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's really hard to 245 00:22:24,738 --> 00:22:30,786 watch non MCU Marvel movies, because it's obvious that they don't have a roadmap. You know, how 246 00:22:30,826 --> 00:22:36,969 does this connect in any way to Morbius or the upcoming Craven film or Venom? I have no idea. 247 00:22:37,069 --> 00:22:42,351 I honestly don't care. Yeah, I really don't care where this whole thing is going. And I 248 00:22:42,391 --> 00:22:46,372 kind of get the impression that the filmmakers didn't really care about this project at all 249 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:51,394 either. And even the writers, it seems like none of them had really read the comics. Well, 250 00:22:51,414 --> 00:22:55,036 I mean, it's not like there's a huge amount of Maddenweb comics to go off of. You know, 251 00:22:55,056 --> 00:23:00,347 this is largely an original origin story for the character. Yeah, to be honest, I don't 252 00:23:00,367 --> 00:23:04,491 know much about the character. All I know from her is what I learned from the animated series 253 00:23:04,531 --> 00:23:09,997 in the 90s. Yeah, that was also my introduction to the character. She had quite a sizable role 254 00:23:10,017 --> 00:23:14,502 within that animated series, much larger than she ever did in the comic books. Interesting. 255 00:23:15,223 --> 00:23:20,508 The movie isn't a total dumpster fire. I think what keeps the film from being so is the director, 256 00:23:20,769 --> 00:23:26,068 S.J. Clarkson. This lady has been a part of every single television show you've ever loved 257 00:23:26,348 --> 00:23:32,532 in the last 15 or so years, having directed quintessential episodes of Heroes, House, Dexter, 258 00:23:32,692 --> 00:23:38,135 Bates Motel, Orange is the New Black, Jessica Jones, Game of Thrones, Succession, Need I 259 00:23:38,175 --> 00:23:44,278 Go On. You know, SJ Clarkson is incredibly acclaimed and talented. And I also think that she set 260 00:23:44,318 --> 00:23:48,220 up some incredible shots in this movie, especially in the first act when Cassie is discovering 261 00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:53,628 her powers. It's clear. that the director had an incredible knack for visual storytelling. 262 00:23:54,048 --> 00:24:01,093 The problem is that the story has to be good, and Madame Webb's story is not good. A lot 263 00:24:01,113 --> 00:24:06,136 of the characters are shallow, the second act is a drag with very little momentum, and I 264 00:24:06,156 --> 00:24:10,660 don't care how good of a director you are, there's no way to direct most of the dialogue in this 265 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:16,303 film. Some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard in any film. And what's really tragic is that 266 00:24:16,444 --> 00:24:22,748 S.J. Clarkson actually has a screenplay credit here. So it's not clear where things went wrong, 267 00:24:23,088 --> 00:24:28,093 but given the director's track record, I can almost guarantee it was studio interference. 268 00:24:28,213 --> 00:24:33,077 Interesting. I didn't realize she wrote this as well. That's a shame if it was studio interference 269 00:24:33,117 --> 00:24:37,240 because they really threw her under the bus letting her put her name all over it. Yeah, 270 00:24:37,260 --> 00:24:42,385 it seems to me when it comes to Sony and the Sony Spider-Man Universe films, it's like a 271 00:24:42,445 --> 00:24:47,569 bunch of non-creative business people making creative decisions that muddle the overall 272 00:24:47,609 --> 00:24:53,921 vision. Cause I do think that there were flashes of a genuine suspense thriller here, but I 273 00:24:53,961 --> 00:24:58,885 guarantee you that some executive was like, no, we need a scene of these girls dancing 274 00:24:58,925 --> 00:25:04,208 on the table. And like we need the climactic fight to be under that Pepsi sign and like 275 00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:10,172 put in fireworks. Cause my niece loves fireworks. So much Pepsi product placement. It was a little 276 00:25:10,192 --> 00:25:13,755 ridiculous. Really made me want a Pepsi though at the end of this film, but hell no, I'm a 277 00:25:13,815 --> 00:25:19,643 Coke guy for life. Honestly, the movie that I, probably would have preferred to this one 278 00:25:19,843 --> 00:25:24,967 is the superhero movie that we were promised in the marketing. Like was this even a superhero 279 00:25:24,987 --> 00:25:29,451 movie? Maybe in the sense that there were people with powers and a struggle between good and 280 00:25:29,491 --> 00:25:34,235 evil, but the costumes were pretty much non-existent. It wasn't like this, it was a spider-woman 281 00:25:34,275 --> 00:25:39,359 team-up film where we got to see these ladies kick ass. Right? Yeah, I don't even know like 282 00:25:39,399 --> 00:25:44,023 how the girls got their spider powers. Like what the hell? Yeah, the characters were like 283 00:25:44,043 --> 00:25:48,618 pretty much a bait-and-switch I think, which was not cool. The film felt so small because 284 00:25:48,658 --> 00:25:53,861 the stakes were so minuscule. While the film implies that these teenage girls will grow 285 00:25:53,961 --> 00:25:58,603 up to become superheroes, doesn't show anything to the effect of them, you know, saving the 286 00:25:58,643 --> 00:26:04,086 world in the future or even stopping a crime or doing anything worthwhile besides striking 287 00:26:04,106 --> 00:26:08,788 some cool poses. I mean, technically they all kind of saved Peter Parker's life, but it's 288 00:26:08,828 --> 00:26:14,091 not even clear in this universe whether or not. Peter Parker will become Spider-Man. If he 289 00:26:14,151 --> 00:26:19,115 does, he's not a very original character considering there's a shit ton of other Spider-People in 290 00:26:19,155 --> 00:26:23,879 this universe. And that's one of the worst things about this movie, right? The implications that 291 00:26:23,899 --> 00:26:29,384 it has on the larger Sony Spider-Man universe where everybody gets Spider-powers. You get 292 00:26:29,424 --> 00:26:33,788 Spider-powers. You get Spider-powers. There's a whole race of indigenous Spider-People in 293 00:26:33,828 --> 00:26:38,712 Peru apparently. And you know... There is some of that in the comics. There's the whole spider 294 00:26:38,752 --> 00:26:43,256 society, which I think was one of the worst ideas ever. Like J. Michael Straczynski really 295 00:26:43,296 --> 00:26:49,041 started this all when he insinuated that Spider-Man was part of the spider totem and that all of 296 00:26:49,081 --> 00:26:54,145 his animal themed bad guys were also representatives of their animal totems. It's kind of a neat 297 00:26:54,225 --> 00:27:00,831 idea and concept, but people ran with that shit for years and years. And then it just outstated 298 00:27:00,851 --> 00:27:05,426 its welcome. Like you had the sisterhood of the wasps. and the Spider Society and all this 299 00:27:05,547 --> 00:27:11,750 random shit. And it got really lame really fast. I'm just gonna say it now. There's too many 300 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:17,774 Spider-Men, like way too many. I agree with you, for sure. At least within the 616 proper 301 00:27:17,854 --> 00:27:22,296 universe, I don't care how many Spider-Men there are across the multiverse. And I think that 302 00:27:22,336 --> 00:27:26,279 actually works, especially when you look at a film across the Spider-Verse. But when you 303 00:27:26,339 --> 00:27:31,041 have 50 million Spider-Men and Spider-Women in the same playground, it gets a little crowded. 304 00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:36,072 Which is a shame, I feel like, for anyone who liked the Spider-Verse films. Like if they 305 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:40,774 go into this movie expecting like more of that kind of awesomeness, they're going to be sorely 306 00:27:40,814 --> 00:27:46,797 disappointed. Oh, for the most part. I really wish that this movie, like those Spider-Verse 307 00:27:46,837 --> 00:27:51,899 films, was made for the fans. Because honestly, I don't think this one was. I think this was 308 00:27:51,959 --> 00:27:58,766 trying to capture a new demographic for superhero films that really isn't. as interested in them 309 00:27:58,986 --> 00:28:05,450 as comic book readers. I 100% agree. It was like it was trying to tap into like the teenage 310 00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:09,572 thriller genre, like the people that went and saw Final Destination. But I think they'll 311 00:28:09,592 --> 00:28:13,975 be disappointed when they see this film. Of course, the fans will be disappointed. So it's 312 00:28:13,995 --> 00:28:18,897 hard to know exactly who is going to love this movie, if anybody. But speaking of the characters, 313 00:28:18,917 --> 00:28:24,801 let's go ahead and get into our character breakdown, starting with Madame Webb, aka Cassandra Webb, 314 00:28:24,841 --> 00:28:30,183 who was played by Dakota Johnson. I actually liked Dakota Johnson here more than I wanted 315 00:28:30,223 --> 00:28:34,904 to. I haven't seen her in too much stuff, only in Suspiria, but I was never too impressed 316 00:28:34,924 --> 00:28:39,765 with her acting ability. In this movie though, I actually thought she did well enough with 317 00:28:40,005 --> 00:28:45,707 most of the material, not just in conveying her burgeoning psychic powers, but also her 318 00:28:45,787 --> 00:28:50,288 emotional scenes as well. Yeah, this was also the first time I saw her. I agree, I didn't 319 00:28:50,308 --> 00:28:53,929 think she did that terrible. She probably had the best performance in the film next to like 320 00:28:54,009 --> 00:28:59,388 Adam Scott. Yeah. She has this kind of deadpan style to her that I think was really able to 321 00:28:59,468 --> 00:29:04,712 tap into the script's humor. I think she sold the comedy actually really well. What little 322 00:29:04,752 --> 00:29:11,257 comedy there was in the script. And surprisingly, I believed in the idea of her as a superhero 323 00:29:11,377 --> 00:29:16,021 toward the end of the movie more than I believed in her as a cynical paramedic in the beginning 324 00:29:16,041 --> 00:29:20,964 of the film. I wouldn't mind seeing more of her as a superhero character if and when she 325 00:29:20,984 --> 00:29:26,996 turns up again down the line. I praise her performance, however, with the caveat that she completely 326 00:29:27,036 --> 00:29:31,358 dropped the ball in her final scene with the wheelchair and the strange eyeglasses. That 327 00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:36,661 was just a really bad delivery. Absolutely. I'm still really confused by that whole thing. 328 00:29:37,121 --> 00:29:42,344 Like obviously she was blinded by some kind of debris, but when did she become paralyzed? 329 00:29:42,725 --> 00:29:48,908 How did she afford this like badass wheelchair? And why was she like all smiley at the end? 330 00:29:48,948 --> 00:29:53,283 Like the future has been really good, I guess. I don't know. I remember reading a quote from 331 00:29:53,363 --> 00:29:57,307 James Marsden over 20 years ago when he was doing an interview for the first X-Men movie 332 00:29:57,367 --> 00:30:02,171 saying that it was really hard to act through his cyclops visor and I think maybe Dakota 333 00:30:02,191 --> 00:30:06,375 Johnson just had the same struggles here. Yeah, it's gotta be a challenge. And it's a shame 334 00:30:06,415 --> 00:30:11,060 that Final Seem was what the audience was left with because I think the rest of her performance 335 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,454 was pretty decent. Good even. Especially as she goes through her arc, you know, Cassie 336 00:30:15,494 --> 00:30:20,776 starts the film as a cynical paramedic detached from others due to her life as a seemingly 337 00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:25,937 unloved foster child. I think she resented her mother for being more invested in her research 338 00:30:25,957 --> 00:30:31,398 in the Amazon and then dying instead of caring and being there for her. And what's actually 339 00:30:31,418 --> 00:30:36,060 great about this aspect of the movie is that I thought the same thing about her mom. Like, 340 00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:41,121 I remember thinking in the beginning, like, lady, you are pregnant, do not fight over the 341 00:30:41,161 --> 00:30:47,783 spider with the gun toting psycho. But in Cassie getting her powers and exploring their ties 342 00:30:47,803 --> 00:30:52,764 to her mother's past, she learns that her mom did care about her, that her whole reason for 343 00:30:52,804 --> 00:30:57,466 seeking out the spider was for the improved quality of life for her child. And I don't 344 00:30:57,486 --> 00:31:01,907 know if it's because I'm a parent now, but that revelation hit me like a punch in the gut. 345 00:31:02,367 --> 00:31:06,769 And Cassie carried that forward, protecting and then seemingly raising these neglected 346 00:31:06,809 --> 00:31:12,522 teens as the mother figure herself, coming full circle. Cassie's arc and that theme of motherhood 347 00:31:12,723 --> 00:31:17,985 is the best part of this movie without a doubt. Yeah, that was a nice revelation. The fact 348 00:31:18,025 --> 00:31:22,627 that she learned that, you know, what her mom was doing was for her. It was a selfless act. 349 00:31:23,127 --> 00:31:25,989 You're right that she should have just given up the spider though. Like she shouldn't have 350 00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:30,070 put up that much of a fight. It's like things will be okay. Yeah. What's interesting is that 351 00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:37,446 the disease that the doctor told Cassie's mom that her baby would have is what- character 352 00:31:37,466 --> 00:31:43,251 of Madame Webb actually has in the comic books. It's called Myasthenia Gravis, and in the books, 353 00:31:43,411 --> 00:31:48,896 Madame Webb was born with it. She was born blind and a paraplegic, and she developed these psychic 354 00:31:48,936 --> 00:31:54,020 powers, this ability to peer into the web of life and destiny, which is a construct of fate. 355 00:31:54,701 --> 00:31:59,185 And in this movie, that is the disease that Cassie's mom was trying to prevent. Yeah, so 356 00:31:59,205 --> 00:32:04,589 you could say it's ironic then that her daughter ended up blind and in a wheelchair anyway at 357 00:32:04,609 --> 00:32:09,636 the end. Yeah, like it was faded or something. The web of life and destiny is actually the 358 00:32:09,716 --> 00:32:13,658 source of Spider-Man's Spidey-Sense and all the Spider characters who have Spidey-Sense 359 00:32:13,678 --> 00:32:18,241 are able to tap into that just a little bit. In the comics, Madame Web worked as a psychic 360 00:32:18,341 --> 00:32:23,704 medium who was once visited by Peter Parker, whom she knew off the bat was Spider-Man, surprising 361 00:32:23,764 --> 00:32:28,586 him, and she would go on to help him in several of his adventures. She not only had telepathy, 362 00:32:29,027 --> 00:32:34,009 but she also had clairvoyance. She could predict the future and she could also astral project. 363 00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:38,231 This movie had an interesting take on the astral projection though, in that she could send out 364 00:32:38,291 --> 00:32:42,852 multiple copies of herself who could also interact physically with the environment. That was a 365 00:32:42,872 --> 00:32:46,793 little weird. Yeah, pretty unique though. I thought that was actually kind of cool. Yeah, 366 00:32:46,813 --> 00:32:51,034 it's an interesting way to not limit her so much if the character is ever used again in 367 00:32:51,114 --> 00:32:56,516 future films. Let's go ahead and move on to Julia Cornwall who is played by Sydney Sweeney. 368 00:32:56,916 --> 00:33:01,337 This is actually my first time seeing Sydney Sweeney in anything. I never watched Euphoria 369 00:33:01,597 --> 00:33:07,063 or White Lotus or anything. I only really know of Sydney Sweeney by her reputation as a smoke 370 00:33:07,083 --> 00:33:13,266 show, but I'll say that I walked away disappointed by her acting. Like is she overrated or was 371 00:33:13,386 --> 00:33:18,348 this just not the right project for her? It was almost like the insecurities of her character 372 00:33:18,568 --> 00:33:23,831 leaked into her performance, making her come across as more of an awkward actress than an 373 00:33:23,911 --> 00:33:29,953 awkward teenager. I've never seen her in anything either, but I don't think she did terrible. 374 00:33:30,173 --> 00:33:35,827 I- I think she played an insecure teenager fairly well. Stop thinking with your dick. She was 375 00:33:35,927 --> 00:33:42,069 not great in this movie. I don't think I am. Honestly, I think she did the best out of the 376 00:33:42,229 --> 00:33:47,950 three teenage actresses or playing teenagers. I think Isabella Merced did the best. And that's 377 00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:51,831 good news for you considering that she's going to be Hawke Girl in next year's Superman legacy 378 00:33:51,851 --> 00:33:56,813 movie. But let's talk about Anya Corazon played by Isabella Merced. None of the characters 379 00:33:56,833 --> 00:34:01,666 were written well. Again, the dialogue was so incredibly awful. But at least I think Anya 380 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:07,951 had the most believable delivery. Sydney Sweeney had to play this shy teenager, which she totally 381 00:34:07,971 --> 00:34:12,574 didn't come across as. Celeste O'Connor, who played Maddie Franklin, tried to portray herself 382 00:34:12,654 --> 00:34:17,377 as this rebellious teen, which I also didn't think she sold. But Isabella Merced as Anya 383 00:34:17,497 --> 00:34:23,381 really just had to play smart. She was the smart one. She had the easiest acting job, and therefore 384 00:34:23,421 --> 00:34:28,564 I think she pulled it off better. Yeah, I mean, she did fine. I don't know if I agree that 385 00:34:28,585 --> 00:34:32,448 she did better than the Sidney Sweeney, but yeah, she definitely did better than Celeste 386 00:34:32,468 --> 00:34:37,272 O'Connor. Yeah, Celeste O'Connor played Maddie Franklin. This is my first time seeing Celeste 387 00:34:37,292 --> 00:34:41,656 in anything, and if I never see her again in another film, I think I would be just fine. 388 00:34:42,077 --> 00:34:48,242 Her acting was so bad in this movie. She brought down the entire film like she didn't deliver 389 00:34:48,322 --> 00:34:52,838 a single line, believably, I thought, and it was probably one of the. worst performances 390 00:34:52,878 --> 00:34:57,782 out of any superhero movie in the last few decades. But not only that, like her character sucked. 391 00:34:57,943 --> 00:35:04,388 Like Maddie was so unlikable and rude and impulsive. And when she tried rescuing Cassie while skateboarding 392 00:35:04,548 --> 00:35:10,073 on a piece of debris, I wanted to fucking puke. If we gave away Brothers Awards for the worst 393 00:35:10,113 --> 00:35:13,976 moment, that would win it, because that was just ridiculous. What did you think about her 394 00:35:14,036 --> 00:35:18,380 backstory? Are I guess any of these three girls backstories? I thought they were good backstories. 395 00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:23,342 I agree. I thought. that made the characters more interesting. What I'm really curious about 396 00:35:23,462 --> 00:35:27,944 is how they got their powers in the movie. Yeah, they never address that. They just leave it 397 00:35:28,124 --> 00:35:31,705 open-ended, I assume, for maybe a sequel, where they'll get their powers or something like 398 00:35:31,725 --> 00:35:36,366 that. But in the comics, Cassie just kind of developed her powers. She's not a mutant, but 399 00:35:36,386 --> 00:35:42,168 she just became a psychic, I think, largely because her condition left her with a clairvoyant 400 00:35:42,208 --> 00:35:48,129 mind. But Julia Cornwall, who would later become Julia Carpenter, she got her powers through 401 00:35:48,169 --> 00:35:53,579 genetic experiments. by a secret government group called the Commission and they gave her 402 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:57,021 like, you know, the standard power set. But what's unique about her is that she has psychic 403 00:35:57,061 --> 00:36:01,463 webbing. It's like psychic energy that lets her restrain her opponents and she can also 404 00:36:01,543 --> 00:36:05,464 send out psychic feelers as like the spider sense. And we saw that in the movie. That was 405 00:36:05,484 --> 00:36:09,626 kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't clear that it was psychic webbing, but that's what 406 00:36:09,646 --> 00:36:14,748 it was. Maddie Franklin, she's called Spider-Woman in the comics. She gained her powers through 407 00:36:14,768 --> 00:36:21,551 this It didn't give her spider abilities, but it did give her strength, speed, agility, reflexes. 408 00:36:22,051 --> 00:36:27,934 But she later got the additional abilities of Madame Webb's granddaughter, who had been turned 409 00:36:27,974 --> 00:36:33,476 into a spider-human hybrid by Doctor Octopus, hence the giant spider legs from her back that 410 00:36:33,516 --> 00:36:39,339 allow her to wall crawl. And then Anya, who is known as Aranya in the books, or Spider 411 00:36:39,379 --> 00:36:44,901 Girl sometimes, her powers were given to her by a sorcerer of the Secret Spider Society 412 00:36:44,961 --> 00:36:49,944 who was trying to save her life. and she did get the powers of a spider in addition to the 413 00:36:49,984 --> 00:36:55,429 ability to summon this exoskeleton armor. And she also carries these spider bola devices 414 00:36:55,549 --> 00:37:00,873 that she created that allow her to grapple ledges and snare opponents and can also be thrown 415 00:37:00,913 --> 00:37:05,577 as projectiles. So we saw that in the movie too. Man, that's a lot to get through in a 416 00:37:05,637 --> 00:37:10,922 sequel if they ever do. Yeah, I assume that if they ever get to those superhero origins, 417 00:37:10,962 --> 00:37:15,145 they'll probably all get their powers in the same way. Yeah, from the spiders in Peru, I 418 00:37:15,185 --> 00:37:21,139 guess. Speaking of that, let's move on to Ezekiel Sims who is played by Tahar Rahim. I don't 419 00:37:21,179 --> 00:37:27,641 even know where to start. Tahar Rahim is an actor I've never heard of playing horribly 420 00:37:28,241 --> 00:37:33,862 a role that is unrecognizable compared to the comic book Ezekiel, a character who in itself 421 00:37:33,942 --> 00:37:39,644 is a big ol' sack of mediocrity. Never ever have I cared less about a comic book movie 422 00:37:39,684 --> 00:37:46,614 villain. He had no arc beyond his desire to just continue existing. Beyond that, there 423 00:37:46,634 --> 00:37:51,458 were no goals. You know, he's a guy who wanted the spider venom to give himself power. And 424 00:37:51,498 --> 00:37:56,743 I guess he did that. You know, he amassed this power and wealth, but like, who the fuck is 425 00:37:56,763 --> 00:38:02,188 this guy? Like, why did he want power? What did he plan on doing with it? What was he doing 426 00:38:02,268 --> 00:38:06,912 all this time as Cassie was growing up? Like fucking investing in stocks and jacking off 427 00:38:06,932 --> 00:38:12,217 or some shit? He was not a good villain. He was barely even a character. You know, he mentioned 428 00:38:12,297 --> 00:38:18,493 something in. the Amazon about his family starving or something like that. And I guess he built 429 00:38:18,513 --> 00:38:23,436 an empire after that. But I have no sense of how loaded this guy is. Apparently only has 430 00:38:23,456 --> 00:38:28,600 like one employee who works in his apartment. It's like they couldn't find another location 431 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,663 for him. They couldn't like show him walking through office space or anything like that. 432 00:38:32,943 --> 00:38:38,046 It's like, holy crap, what is going on here? Like he wasn't evil enough. He wasn't interesting 433 00:38:38,086 --> 00:38:43,398 enough. He wasn't anything worthwhile enough. And also his acting was not great. Not only 434 00:38:43,418 --> 00:38:47,841 did I not believe any of Tahar Rahim's line deliveries, I don't even think he delivered 435 00:38:47,881 --> 00:38:52,704 them because his voice never matched his mouth. It was like most of his lines were 80 yard 436 00:38:52,724 --> 00:38:58,589 in post-production. Yes. I actually wondered if that was his actual voice in the movie or 437 00:38:58,629 --> 00:39:02,652 if they got another actor to do his lines because I don't know, maybe he had a really heavy accent 438 00:39:02,672 --> 00:39:06,975 that was difficult to understand. I could definitely see in a lot of the shadowy scenes and just 439 00:39:07,035 --> 00:39:12,830 in the poor editing that he wasn't really actually saying. the lines we are hearing. Yeah, that 440 00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:17,052 may be due to rewrites, might be due to an accent or something. He's a French actor, and maybe 441 00:39:17,092 --> 00:39:20,994 he couldn't pull off a convincing Latin American accent, which I think the character was supposed 442 00:39:21,014 --> 00:39:28,697 to be. Yeah, who knows? But in the books, Ezekiel is not Peruvian, although he did get his powers 443 00:39:28,737 --> 00:39:33,859 through a mystic ritual in a Peruvian spider temple, which is probably why the movie started 444 00:39:33,959 --> 00:39:41,334 off in Peru. But like Ezekiel never wore a black Spider-Man suit in the comics. Where did that 445 00:39:41,354 --> 00:39:45,855 come from? Like, I want to know the reasoning behind that. The film never addresses why he 446 00:39:45,895 --> 00:39:49,996 looks like Spider-Man. It makes no sense, especially when you consider the implications for Spider-Man 447 00:39:50,196 --> 00:39:55,778 and his costume, which he developed and created and conceived of all on his own. It implies 448 00:39:55,838 --> 00:40:02,620 that maybe there was some external influence in Peter Parker's costume creation, and that 449 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,081 doesn't make sense. Maybe from the Peruvian spider people? Not sure. Oh, that was dumb 450 00:40:08,121 --> 00:40:13,386 too. It was interesting. I kind of feel like when they were trying to explain the character 451 00:40:13,426 --> 00:40:17,688 of Ezekiel, they're like, he's kind of like Spider-Man. So they're like, oh, so he wears 452 00:40:17,728 --> 00:40:22,209 a suit. Let's just make him look like evil Spider-Man. Ugh. Yeah, that was some studio executives 453 00:40:22,269 --> 00:40:25,930 idea for sure. They're like, we got to make it marketable. We got to make it seem like 454 00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:31,171 Spider-Man's in this movie. 100%. The final characters I want to talk about are Benjamin 455 00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:37,313 Parker, played by Adam Scott, and Mary Parker, played by Emma Roberts. I don't have too much 456 00:40:37,353 --> 00:40:42,183 to say about them because their roles were so small. They're both likable actors who I think 457 00:40:42,223 --> 00:40:46,225 were entirely wasted in their roles in this movie. I don't know about wasted. I think they 458 00:40:46,305 --> 00:40:51,048 almost kind of added credibility to the film that it would have normally had. I liked seeing 459 00:40:51,088 --> 00:40:55,750 them in those roles. I think they're bigger actors than, you know, what those roles called 460 00:40:55,790 --> 00:41:00,673 for. They could have gotten away with actors of a lesser caliber, but no, I like seeing 461 00:41:00,693 --> 00:41:04,776 them in the roles. Yeah, it makes you wonder if they're planning to use them again down 462 00:41:04,816 --> 00:41:09,580 the line, which is why they wanted to get these bigger name actors. I keep making allusions 463 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,363 to a sequel to this movie, but I think it's pretty clear that that's not going to happen. 464 00:41:13,883 --> 00:41:18,467 If Madame Web ever shows up again, it's probably going to be in some kind of like team up film, 465 00:41:18,547 --> 00:41:21,830 like Sinister Six type movie or something like that, that I think Sony is working toward, 466 00:41:22,290 --> 00:41:27,594 but probably not a Madame Web too. Just taking the box office into consideration. Yeah, I 467 00:41:27,614 --> 00:41:32,925 didn't even get number one. And this is a Spider-Man movie. That's crazy. Yeah, but that does it 468 00:41:32,945 --> 00:41:35,973 for all the characters. Let's go ahead and move into our story highlights. 469 00:41:43,082 --> 00:41:49,747 In 1973, medical researcher Constance Webb discovers a rare species of spider in the Peruvian jungle 470 00:41:49,827 --> 00:41:55,532 whose venom has healing and strengthening properties. Though she is pregnant, her security escort 471 00:41:55,632 --> 00:42:01,638 Ezekiel Sims shoots her and steals the spider. An indigenous tribe tries to save Constance's 472 00:42:01,678 --> 00:42:06,502 life using the spider venom, but she dies shortly after giving birth to her daughter Cassandra. 473 00:42:06,982 --> 00:42:11,734 Now writing out that scene kind of sounds pretty interesting and cool in theory. But seeing 474 00:42:11,814 --> 00:42:17,015 it done in practice, I thought was kind of ridiculous, especially when you see the indigenous tribe 475 00:42:17,055 --> 00:42:22,857 crawling through the trees looking like Spider-Man. It's like, what the fuck is going on here? 476 00:42:24,137 --> 00:42:30,259 The CG is pretty bad seeing them leap through the trees. But I honestly didn't hate the designs 477 00:42:30,299 --> 00:42:35,240 of them. Like, if you're going to do an indigenous Amazon tribe, Spider-Man, that's how you do 478 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,082 it. I didn't like the black webbing that they covered their bodies in. It was like. black 479 00:42:40,122 --> 00:42:44,286 twigs or something. Yeah, or netting, something like that. Some kind of- It was like trying 480 00:42:44,326 --> 00:42:49,772 too hard to make it look like Spider-Man's costume. Probably, probably that's fair. I thought it 481 00:42:49,792 --> 00:42:53,075 was just kind of an interesting design at the very least. Now when they were talking about 482 00:42:53,115 --> 00:42:58,281 the legend of the Aranya people, I forget what they called them, they mentioned a poison touch 483 00:42:58,401 --> 00:43:03,666 that Ezekiel Sims, of course, later on gets. What did you think of that? I think that's 484 00:43:03,706 --> 00:43:08,489 a cool idea, Ezekiel does not have that power in the comics, but I think it was a way to 485 00:43:08,529 --> 00:43:12,753 make him seem more villainous and more threatening. Back to the story, 30 years later, in 2003 486 00:43:13,393 --> 00:43:20,258 Queens, New York, Cassie works as a paramedic alongside her partner Ben Parker. After helping 487 00:43:20,318 --> 00:43:24,602 rescue a man from a car about to fall off a bridge, she falls into the water and has a 488 00:43:24,662 --> 00:43:29,645 near-death experience that awakens her psychic potential to see into the web of life and destiny. 489 00:43:30,146 --> 00:43:33,828 I thought that was a pretty cool scene when she first started seeing the web in the water. 490 00:43:34,388 --> 00:43:39,031 It was hella confusing, honestly. I did like how the shattered glass looked like a web. 491 00:43:39,111 --> 00:43:43,954 Actually there's a ton of shattered glass in this movie that's very web-like. It's kind 492 00:43:43,974 --> 00:43:48,496 of like a recurring visual motif. Yeah, I thought that was pretty neat. Especially when it also 493 00:43:48,556 --> 00:43:54,380 correlates to what feels like her mind fracturing as her powers start developing. Right, yeah 494 00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:02,361 exactly. I do have a question. Were Cassandra and Ben fucking? No. OK. He stuck in the tip 495 00:44:02,501 --> 00:44:09,687 once. It didn't count. He put in a ball. All I know is that didn't really mean anything. 496 00:44:09,727 --> 00:44:14,371 Ben tells her that, like, you know, he's met someone, but he never says may. I was just 497 00:44:14,431 --> 00:44:18,715 wondering because they had like a weird chemistry between each other. No, I think she was too 498 00:44:18,755 --> 00:44:23,859 detached for any sort of relationship. Oh, Cassie began suffering from visions that turn out 499 00:44:23,879 --> 00:44:28,658 to come true, such as the death of her coworker, O'Neil. Meanwhile, it's revealed that since 500 00:44:28,678 --> 00:44:33,861 his time in Peru, Ezekiel used the spider venom to grant himself enhanced physicality, wall 501 00:44:33,881 --> 00:44:40,584 crawling ability, a poisonous touch, and precognitive dreams. Ezekiel seduces and kills an NSA agent 502 00:44:40,624 --> 00:44:45,126 to get access to a person tracking system to find three girls that his visions have convinced 503 00:44:45,166 --> 00:44:51,108 him will kill him in the future. I do think you can't really say precognitive dreams considering 504 00:44:51,128 --> 00:44:56,358 the fact that his dreams were lying to him. Yeah, it's hard to say because, you know, according 505 00:44:56,398 --> 00:45:01,520 to this movie, the future can be changed. So, I'm wondering if that's what would have happened 506 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:08,042 to him if Madame Webb never came to be or something. Who knows? I have no idea what happened there. 507 00:45:08,102 --> 00:45:12,943 Yeah, kind of dumb. Meanwhile, Cassie has a vision on the subway of Ezekiel murdering the 508 00:45:12,963 --> 00:45:18,225 three girls, Julia Cornwall, Maddie Franklin, and Anya Corazon. She convinces the girls to 509 00:45:18,245 --> 00:45:23,327 get off the train and they flee. Ezekiel pursues them. but his attention is diverted long enough 510 00:45:23,347 --> 00:45:28,552 by local police trying to stop him for Cassie and the girls to escape in a taxi. Cassie drives 511 00:45:28,572 --> 00:45:33,497 them to a nearby forest where they discuss the man who moves like a spider. Cassie tells them 512 00:45:33,517 --> 00:45:38,362 to wait there as she leaves to revisit her mother's spider research back home. I thought it was 513 00:45:38,382 --> 00:45:43,835 a little convenient how easily they were able to ditch Ezekiel. Really, he was too distracted 514 00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:49,419 by taking out police officers. Why not just wait for them to be away from the police considering 515 00:45:49,619 --> 00:45:53,663 no one was looking up at the ceiling apparently to see him? Well, the police were shooting 516 00:45:53,703 --> 00:45:58,287 at him. He had to take him out. They would have kept shooting at him as he was trying to get 517 00:45:58,307 --> 00:46:02,811 at the girls. But they were only shooting at him because he started attacking them, right? 518 00:46:03,271 --> 00:46:07,515 Well, and also because he's a fucking dude crawling on the ceiling. I think, you know, anybody 519 00:46:07,535 --> 00:46:14,043 would shoot at that. That's where I would. Back in the forest, the girls get restless and walk 520 00:46:14,063 --> 00:46:19,367 to a nearby diner. Cassie learns from her mother's journal about the rare Peruvian spider, the 521 00:46:19,407 --> 00:46:25,251 mysterious indigenous tribe, and Ezekiel's identity as her mother's former security escort. At 522 00:46:25,271 --> 00:46:29,834 the diner, the girls draw attention to themselves, prompting a local to report the location of 523 00:46:29,854 --> 00:46:35,458 their missing whereabouts, leading to Ezekiel finding them. Cassie gets visions of Ezekiel 524 00:46:35,518 --> 00:46:40,021 killing them in the diner, prompting her to crash her car into the restaurant to ram him. 525 00:46:40,462 --> 00:46:44,463 Teenage girls, man, you can't leave them alone for a second before they're dancing on a tabletop 526 00:46:44,483 --> 00:46:48,965 so impress some boys. I don't know what kind of kid you're raising, but she needs to shape 527 00:46:49,045 --> 00:46:56,368 up. I was just saying, it was like bad writing. Like really bad. It was. Cassie hides the girls 528 00:46:56,428 --> 00:47:00,910 at a hotel where she learns more about Ezekiel's motives and abilities after communicating with 529 00:47:00,950 --> 00:47:05,812 him through a dream. She teaches the girls how to perform CPR, then leaves them to hide out 530 00:47:05,872 --> 00:47:11,499 at Ben's while she travels to Peru. There Cassie discovers a member of the indigenous tribe 531 00:47:11,519 --> 00:47:16,221 who tells her how her mother died and guides her through the web of life and destiny revealing 532 00:47:16,261 --> 00:47:21,944 that her pregnant mom sought out the spider in Peru to cure her daughter's myasthenia gravis. 533 00:47:22,384 --> 00:47:26,246 I do wonder why the guy wasn't dressed up like rainforest spider-man anymore. He was like 534 00:47:26,266 --> 00:47:32,308 wearing regular clothes. Like, does the tribe sometimes paint themselves red and cover themselves 535 00:47:32,328 --> 00:47:36,690 in black twigs and then sometimes wear regular clothes? Or I had something happen to that 536 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:40,452 guy in the last 30 years where he was like, you know what? I'm going to move out of the 537 00:47:40,492 --> 00:47:45,214 rainforest. Yeah, I wondered the same thing. I think that was a mistake. I think they should 538 00:47:45,234 --> 00:47:49,676 have kept with the tribal look. Yeah, I agree, because, you know, they felt very mysterious 539 00:47:49,956 --> 00:47:56,059 and mystical almost. Back in Queens, Ben's sister-in-law, Mary, goes into labor on the way to the hospital. 540 00:47:56,099 --> 00:48:01,622 Ben's car is caught on camera with the girls and Ezekiel pursues them. Cassie. Now back 541 00:48:01,662 --> 00:48:05,844 in New York has a vision of them being attacked and steals an ambulance to help the girls escape 542 00:48:06,384 --> 00:48:11,626 and divert Ezekiel away from Ben and Mary. She takes the girls to a condemned fireworks factory 543 00:48:11,787 --> 00:48:16,569 where they set up traps for Ezekiel and call for a helicopter medical evac. Now I'm pretty 544 00:48:16,609 --> 00:48:22,352 sure that freaking fireworks factory burned down earlier in the movie, right? Right? Yeah, 545 00:48:22,392 --> 00:48:26,133 like how are all those fireworks still there after a fire like that? That doesn't make any 546 00:48:26,193 --> 00:48:30,687 sense. Also, I didn't realize that bottle rockets could shoot holes through brick walls. I got 547 00:48:30,707 --> 00:48:35,729 to be more careful with those things. I know, right? Those fireworks were so ridiculously 548 00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:41,452 overpowered. I think it was a front for like a mafia artillery cache or something like that, 549 00:48:41,532 --> 00:48:46,594 because like literally one of those fireworks took down a whole fucking helicopter, like 550 00:48:46,794 --> 00:48:52,997 exploded it. It's so crazy. And like ripping holes through the roof and like it pretty much 551 00:48:53,037 --> 00:48:56,847 toppled the whole building down. It's like, where can I buy these fireworks? Not where 552 00:48:56,887 --> 00:49:02,092 we live. You and I have had some fireworks mishaps on our own, you know, like accidentally having 553 00:49:02,112 --> 00:49:06,455 them explode the cardboard tube that they're in and like sending sparks everywhere. But 554 00:49:06,495 --> 00:49:10,378 I don't remember that being powerful enough to like rip a hole in someone's house. It's 555 00:49:10,418 --> 00:49:16,523 sad guys are on fire, but didn't destroy a house. When Ezekiel arrives, the fireworks distract 556 00:49:16,543 --> 00:49:21,447 him as the girls make their way to the roof for the evac. Ezekiel follows and the helicopter 557 00:49:21,468 --> 00:49:26,263 gets destroyed, putting each of the girls in danger. Cassie's powers then fully manifest, 558 00:49:26,343 --> 00:49:31,347 allowing her to project astral projections to help each of the girls. As the building falls 559 00:49:31,387 --> 00:49:35,991 apart, Cassie reveals that it was she and not the girls who were destined to destroy Ezekiel, 560 00:49:36,191 --> 00:49:41,015 and he falls to his death before being crushed by a falling Pepsi sign. There are so many 561 00:49:41,075 --> 00:49:46,800 times in this movie where I'm like, does Ezekiel not have spider sense? Like, how the hell is 562 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:51,767 he getting hit by all these different things? Like- ambulances and fireworks and signs. I 563 00:49:51,847 --> 00:49:57,429 think that maybe his spidey sense kind of manifests as those dreams, visions that he gets. Sucks 564 00:49:57,449 --> 00:50:02,772 to be him then. Yeah. Cassie also falls off the building into the river below where she's 565 00:50:02,812 --> 00:50:09,895 blinded by a firework. She's saved from drowning by Julia and Maddie and Anya perform CPR. Cassie 566 00:50:09,935 --> 00:50:15,677 awakens in a hospital, now paralyzed and blind, and learns that Mary gave birth to her son, 567 00:50:15,877 --> 00:50:21,028 Peter. Back at her apartment in a wheelchair, Cassie decides to mentor the girls in their 568 00:50:21,048 --> 00:50:26,831 future roles as Spider-Heroes and has a vision of them in costume. No, they never named the 569 00:50:26,851 --> 00:50:33,615 baby Peter. No, and you know, fans will obviously get the reference. I don't know if general 570 00:50:33,675 --> 00:50:38,738 audiences will know that that's actually Spider-Man and Uncle Ben and Spider-Man's mom. Yeah, no 571 00:50:38,778 --> 00:50:42,820 one in my family did. I saw it with my wife and daughters and I had to explain to them 572 00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:47,078 who those characters were and why they were important. Seems like they dropped the ball 573 00:50:47,418 --> 00:50:52,782 on that front. Yeah. You know, considering that at the baby shower, they played a game where 574 00:50:52,802 --> 00:50:56,964 they tried to guess the baby's first name. They could have at least followed through with that 575 00:50:57,144 --> 00:51:02,867 by having a scene where Cassie visits Mary and is like, so what did that name end up being? 576 00:51:02,927 --> 00:51:07,610 And she's like, Peter, you know, and then the audience is like, Oh my God. You know, that 577 00:51:07,630 --> 00:51:11,712 would have been better. Right. And the baby would have been played by Toby McGuire. Right. 578 00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:16,039 Exactly. I didn't see this would have flipped out. Yeah, superimposed Toby McGuire's face 579 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:22,462 on little baby's head. The costumes we saw at the end were not great. I feel like that was 580 00:51:22,502 --> 00:51:28,085 the best look we got at them. And I did not love Madame Webbs. It looked really cheap. 581 00:51:28,125 --> 00:51:33,768 I don't know if it was just like the lipstick or the glasses or I don't know. Just I didn't 582 00:51:33,788 --> 00:51:39,163 like it. I don't like any of them as much as I thought I would. I liked the costumes, I 583 00:51:39,203 --> 00:51:44,206 did not like the headgear on any of them. Especially Madame Web's which looked like a plastic sleeping 584 00:51:44,346 --> 00:51:50,691 eye mask. Yes. The costume looked fine though. I didn't like Julia Cornwall's mask. That was 585 00:51:50,731 --> 00:51:55,794 weird. Oh, like the chin strap? Yeah. Very strange. But that was the end of the movie. There was 586 00:51:55,834 --> 00:52:00,097 no end credit scene or mid credit scene. I think I was half expecting Jared Leto to show up 587 00:52:00,277 --> 00:52:05,781 and say it's morbentime or something like that. But I'm kind of glad that there wasn't. Overall. 588 00:52:06,318 --> 00:52:11,400 The movie did have some emotional moments and was competently directed, but I think a beautiful 589 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,322 arc regarding motherhood can't save the film from its clunky dialogue, the lack of superhero 590 00:52:16,402 --> 00:52:23,585 action, subpar performances, and forgettable characters. I rate this film 2.5 stars out 591 00:52:23,605 --> 00:52:30,168 of 5, a rotten rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, that sounds about right. I forget what we gave 592 00:52:30,268 --> 00:52:36,743 Morbius. We gave Morbius 3 stars? Yeesh. But I actually think Morbius had a stronger story 593 00:52:36,923 --> 00:52:41,646 and a better villain. I actually think Madame Web was about the same quality as the Echo 594 00:52:41,926 --> 00:52:45,888 television series that we just reviewed, which we also gave two and a half stars. Yeah, maybe 595 00:52:45,908 --> 00:52:50,090 you're right when it comes down to the villain. This absolutely was one of the worst villains 596 00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:56,894 in superhero cinema history, hands down. So yeah, around 2.5 seems right to me. I'm not 597 00:52:56,934 --> 00:53:02,017 expecting much better in terms of quality for the next Sony Spider-Man Universe film that's 598 00:53:02,037 --> 00:53:06,931 coming out later this year. which will be Craven the Hunter. Yeah, no, the whole radioactive 599 00:53:06,991 --> 00:53:14,074 lion blood just still freaking kills me. These Sony film writers need to read the comics. 600 00:53:14,674 --> 00:53:18,676 They would have made something we actually maybe would have wanted to see, like a Miles Morales 601 00:53:18,716 --> 00:53:23,398 movie or like Prowler, I don't know, something cool. I think a Prowler movie is a great idea. 602 00:53:23,838 --> 00:53:28,340 Just make it starring Donald Glover. I'd definitely see that. Oh, you weren't into Hypno Hustler? 603 00:53:28,981 --> 00:53:34,420 No, fuck that. 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In our next episode, we will be 611 00:54:12,112 --> 00:54:19,456 doing a duel between Metallo, the Superman villain, against Radioactive Man, the, I guess you could 612 00:54:19,476 --> 00:54:24,459 say, Avengers, Thor, Hulk villain. And that of course is a lead up to our big team duel 613 00:54:24,499 --> 00:54:30,222 episode where we will pit the Legion of Doom against the Masters of Evil. But that does 614 00:54:30,242 --> 00:54:34,345 it for this episode, we want to give a big thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John 615 00:54:34,385 --> 00:54:39,168 Storowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Mickey Mathangian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel 616 00:54:39,188 --> 00:54:45,833 Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Nick Abonto, Austin Wazilowski, AJ Duckerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew 617 00:54:45,893 --> 00:54:51,097 Schunk, and Dean Molesky for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys 618 00:54:51,137 --> 00:54:56,801 next week. Up up and away, true believers. When you take responsibility, great power will come. 619 00:54:57,054 --> 00:55:01,523 and also great responsibility will come with the great power and the powerful responsibilities 620 00:55:01,643 --> 00:55:04,629 are responsibly empowered. Remember that kids.