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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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This is the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show
where we review superhero films and debate

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the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters in stat-based battle simulations.

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I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous
Joe. And in this episode, as a tie-in to our

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last episode, which was a team duel between
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we are doing a review of the DC animated film
which features the Legion of Doom as the main

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villainous cast. Yeah, it is a solid movie.
It was my first time seeing it the other day.

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And yeah, we'll talk more about it later on
this episode. Before that, we're going to break

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down the comic book news from the past week,
of which we got some doozies. We learned that

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the Batman 2 release date has been pushed back
from 2025 a year to 2026. The Venom sequel

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title and new release date has been announced
and. DC Studios is working on a live action

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Teen Titans film. As always, we list our segment
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and thanks to everyone who supports the podcast,
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this past week. Happy birthday, if I could get
you one gift from Marvel. Have I given away

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Thor's hammer yet, Mjolnir? I'm sure you have.
Well, I'm giving it away again, because whoever

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I gave it to before is no longer worthy, so
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sure he is, because he likes Marvel. No DC fan
can lift that shit. And from DC, I'm gonna

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get you... The Batmobile, specifically the one
from The Batman. Cause you know you like that

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shit, Dustin. You know you like it. No, it was
boring. Time will prove you guys wrong. Guys,

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this week, which includes Max Destruction,

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a show that pits your favorite action heroes
from film and television against each other.

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This week, they're gonna find out who's gonna
win between Haru from Beverly Hills Ninja and

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Sho Nuff from The Last Dragon. That's gonna
be a great episode. I loved those movies as

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a kid. Looking forward to that episode. On the
Sanjo World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates

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on fights between fan favorite anime characters.
This Thursday, we'll find out who would win

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between Hisoka Marou from Hunter and Joker from
Fire Force. I bet you nailed those pronunciations

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again. Marou? Maroo? Something like that. On
the Console Combat podcast, host John and Dean

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find out who would win in fights between popular
video game characters. In yesterday's episode...

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They found out who'd win between Michael DeSanta
from Grand Theft Auto and Max Payne. Visit

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dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our
show notes to listen to all of the shows in

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the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that
out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No

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Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to
fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize,

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is a digital award we post on Instagram for
the person that we feel gave the best answer

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to our question of the week. Last week we asked,
what is your favorite DC or Marvel video game

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and why? We got quite a few answers so let's
go ahead and run down our honorable mentions

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as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable
mention goes to Travis Bailey who said, Travis

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Bailey, so the first thing that popped into
my head, I'm a little older than y'all, you

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know, I'm pen and paper, you know, in case you
find a one at the mall years old, so I automatically

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thought of X-Men the arcade game. And I've wasted
so much of my time, like probably years out

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of my life with a pocket full of quarters. And
this is the quintessential co-op game. I mean,

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it's the gold standard of that genre. Man, if
you wasted years of your life on that game

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with just a pocket full of quarters, then you
are doing far better than the rest of us, my

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friend, because Jonathan and I used to play
that game all the time. We'd go to Boardwalk

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USA and play that game. I remember. And I was
dying all the time. Yeah, same. But also like.

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If you're saying you wasted years of your life
playing the X-Men arcade game, I would say

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those are years well spent, my friend, because
that game is awesome. That game is really awesome.

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Definitely one of the quintessential arcade
games from the early nineties up there with,

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you know, Captain America and the Avengers,
the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game, the

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Simpsons arcade game. Like all of those had
pretty much a similar gameplay style and were

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ubiquitous at almost every arcade across the
nation. Yeah. Like the side scroller. Great

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answer, Travis. Our next honorable mention goes
to. Leo Roth who said, Hey guys, uh, it's Leo

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Roth, long time listener, first time recording,
but the best superhero video game by far is

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Spider-Man 2 on the GameCube. The swinging mechanics
are great, story is great, and I just love

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it so much. It's really, really good. And that
new Spider-Man 2, that's not good. Just this

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one. Honorable mention, Ultimate Spider-Man
on the GameCube. It's like a- playing through

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a real life comic. Now, Leo Roth sounds a little
bit young to be playing a game so old, but

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he is no less correct. Spider-Man 2, which was
an adaptation of the movie, Spider-Man 2, when

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it came out in 2004, for the GameCube was incredible.
It was a game that kind of pioneered the swinging

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mechanics that we know and love today. And I
played the shit out of that game nonstop while

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listening to Dashboard Confessional and the
entire Spider-Man 2 soundtrack. Those were

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great times. Leo also mentioned Ultimate Spider-Man
for the GameCube. And Leo, if you have a GameCube,

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you also gotta check out Hulk Ultimate Destruction
because that is still one of the best Hulk

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games that ever came out. The GameCube was just
a great era. Oh yeah, there was a Batman Begins

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video game that came out on the GameCube. That
was the closest thing to like a good Batman

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game, like a Splinter Cell stealth type video
game that we had until, you know, the Arkham

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games. Great answer, Leo. Our next honorable
mention goes to... Caleb Volk who said, Hey

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guys, Caleb Volk, long time listener, first
time answering. I think the 2018 Spider-Man

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game is the best game Marvel or DC's ever come
out with just because of the storyline with

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Doctor. And Caleb actually got cut off in his
answer, but his answer of 2018 Spider-Man is,

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you know, top notch. It is highly regarded as
one of the best, if not the best superhero

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video game of all time. really puts you in the
driver's seat of being the character of Spider-Man

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with incredible cinematics, an incredible story,
incredible gameplay, great everything. Yeah,

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I would have argued that the Arkham games are
the best superhero video games until I heard

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from DC fans on our Discord server that no,
actually, Spider-Man is probably a little bit

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better. So I guess I'll concede that. Yeah,
that's a great point. Actually, that brings

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us to the winner of this week's No Prize. who
also gave a Marvel answer, meaning that we

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have no DC answers because all DC video games
suck. Looking at you, Suicide Squad killed

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the Justice League. Damn it! But the winner
is Ed Jones. Who said? What's up guys? This

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is Ed Jones here with my favorite DC and Marvel
game and I have to give it to Marvel Ultimate

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Alliance 2. Baby, it is one of the best RPGs
I've played. You can play it with three of

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your buddies and it goes through one of the
best Marvel storylines. The Civil War? Oh,

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come on! How can you beat that? You just make
your own team and you go through the world

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destroying things. I absolutely love it. Yeah,
fantastic answer with Marvel Ultimate Alliance

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2. Actually, we had Travis Herndon call in with
the first Marvel Ultimate Alliance, but I think

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the sequel kind of took everything great from
the original and kind of expanded on it, you

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know, increased the roster and gave it a better
storyline, adapting the Civil War plot from

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the comics. Fantastic answer. I remember getting
a PlayStation just to play this game and it

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was so much fun. I remember playing X-Men Legends,
which is one of the first action RPG superhero

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games of that kind to come out. And I remember
just thinking that I wish that they could expand

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this gameplay from just the X-Men to the larger
Marvel universe as a whole. And they did exactly

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that. And yeah, to this day, Marvel Ultimate
Alliance remains one of the best Marvel video

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games ever. Yeah, I remember we got that PlayStation
so that I could also play Justice League Heroes,

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which is like the DC version of the Ultimate
Alliance games. Yeah, that game was like a

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lesser version of Ultimate Alliance. Justice
League Heroes didn't get that much fanfare,

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if I remember correctly. Yeah, that's because
there's so much DC bias out there in the world.

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So much DC prejudice. Yeah, people are totally
prejudiced against things that suck, for sure.

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Fuck you.

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If anyone still has a PlayStation 2, definitely
pick up Justice League Heroes. It's a good

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game. It's good. But great answer, Ed Jones.
You win this week's No Prize. If you, the listener,

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want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay
tuned to later on in this episode, when we'll

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be asking another question of the week. And
now that that's done, onto the news.

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Okay, so this past week we've learned that the
Batman sequel, just tentatively titled The

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Batman 2 for now, was pushed back a whole year
from October 25 to October 2nd of 2026. Now

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the original film came out two years ago in
2022, so there will be a four-year gap between

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the two films. Which isn't terrible, like I
remember when we used to have to wait a lot

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longer for sequels. But too long for me because
I really liked the first movie. Yeah, it's

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like a news for DC fans that enjoyed the first
The Batman movie. I hate calling it that, by

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the way. But I mean, at least they'll have shows
like The Penguin in the interim, which is supposed

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to come out later on this year. Yeah, we don't
actually have a solid release date for The

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Penguin show yet. Hopefully it comes out this
year. Odds are it will, because they've been

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filming it for quite some time. And it'll be
a nice holdover until we get. Batman sequel.

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And honestly, if that show is not good, I feel
like that's going to like really hamper expectations

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for the Batman sequel, which would not be great.
Now, a lot of people are saying that this is

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to give more breathing room for James Gunn's
Superman movie so that they don't release in

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the same year. I don't know if I believe that.
I kind of hoped that they were coming out in

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the same year, because it would have been really
cool to have both a Superman and Batman film

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in 2025. I just think that the script isn't
ready yet and they're not ready to start filming

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so they had to push it back. And they want to
keep their October release date because Warner

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Brothers has had quite a lot of success for
their films that released in October. Of course

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this year in October they're releasing the Joker
sequel, Folly Ado, hoping to recapture the

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success of the first Joker film, which also
released in October and made a billion dollars.

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By the time the Batman 2 comes out, Robert Panson
will be around... 39 years old, totally old

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enough to be a bat dad, which makes you think
that he should just probably have his own kid

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and Damien Wayne in the Batman franchise and
then, you know, just be the DCU version of

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Batman that James Gunn is putting in his franchise.
Well, in the articles that announced the Batman's

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pushed release date, they also mentioned that
James Gunn and Peter Safran, the two heads

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of DC Studios, mentioned that a separate actor
will be cast for their Batman and Robin film

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Brave and the Bold, which was announced last
with Andy Muschietti directing. So that's kind

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of heartbreaking because I was really hoping
that with Matt Reeves developing an Arkham

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series for James Gunn's DCU that meant he was
one step closer to assimilating Robert Pattinson

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Batman into James Gunn's universe. But as for
right now, that looks like it's not the case.

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Yeah, the Batman will stay strictly as an Elseworlds
franchise. So that's stupid, but not as stupid

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as our next news item. I'm not gonna disagree
with you. This last week we learned that the

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Venom sequel, Venom 3, has moved up its release
date from November 8th of this year, 2024,

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to October 25th. So a few weeks up. And we learned
that the movie is going to be called Venom

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The Last Dance. Which is so dumb. Why? So dumb.
Like what the hell does that have to do with

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Venom? Like I remember when they released the
title for the second movie in the franchise,

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which is Venom Let There Be Carnage. And you
and I were complaining because we felt it should

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have been called Maximum Carnage or Absolute
Carnage or something like that. Like Let There

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Be Carnage was just way too cumbersome. The
Last Dance is not cumbersome, but it is really,

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really dumb. And my main complaint with the
character of Venom in the Let There Be Carnage

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sequel is that the franchise seemed to really...
lean heavily into the goofier side of the Venom

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character. And with a title like the last dance
for a character like Venom, who is this freaky,

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scary, alien symbiote monster, the Spider-Man
villain, it just seems like a joke, right?

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They're like, they're making the character a
joke. Once again, I don't have high hopes for

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the movie. Well, I'm kind of surprised by that,
honestly, considering that the humorous aspect

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of Venom, you said was one that you really liked
about the character and the first movie. Well,

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yeah, I like this version of having a character
that looks like venom occasionally cracking

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jokes in moderation. You know, when he's going
to fucking raves and watching soap operas and

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raising chickens and stuff, it gets to be a
little bit cartoonish. Famously, The Last Dance

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is also known as the title of a Michael Jordan
documentary. So I wonder if there's any kind

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of tie in there. I think it's more accurately
referencing the Donna Summer song, Last Dance.

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But also, back in November, Tom Hardy did put
out an Instagram post when they started filming

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Venom 3 that had the caption of, The Last Dance.
Thankfully, we're back to shooting. So I don't

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know if the marketing team decided to name the
movie after Tom Hardy's Instagram caption or

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if Tom Hardy was just giving people a peek into
what the title of the movie would be back in

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November. Either way. It sucks. It really makes
you wonder what the hell is Sony doing? Like,

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are they trying to fail? They're trying to piss
me off is what I think they're trying to do.

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Everyone, everyone is trying to piss everyone
off. No one likes this. Yeah. What are they

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doing? It's so crazy that Madame Web came out
about a month ago, and I already own it on

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home video. You know, yes, I bought it, but
that's because I buy every Marvel movie. But

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yeah, like the movie did so bad at the box office.
I feel like Craven is also not gonna do great

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and I also think that Venom 3 is not gonna do
great. And of course, all three of these films

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are releasing this year. That's insane. Yeah,
what the hell is Sony doing? Because Craven

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the Hunter comes out August 30th and then yeah,
just a few months later, you have Venom the

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Last Dance, which actually comes out just a
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was the part that kind of pissed me off actually.
It's... Like Sony's trying to bite into Joker's

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box office with another comic book movie. But
it's not going to work, Sony. It's the fucking

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Joker. No one gives a shit about Venom. Except
remember that the Joker is a musical, and that

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just sounds weird, too. People need to get over
that. Joker, the musical, Venom apparently

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will have a dance number, I'm guessing. It's
all just weird. If I see Venom dancing. to

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Donna Summer's Last Dance, I'm gonna walk out
of the theater. I'll sit through it, but I

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will comment on it in our review for sure. But
the news about this subtitle for the Venom

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3 movie brings us to our question of the week.

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What Marvel or DC film do you think had the
best subtitle and why? And I swear to God if

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you answer, and the fantabulous emancipation
of one Harley Quinn for the Birds of Prey movie,

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we are throwing your response into the fire.
I mean I don't know, it's still not as bad

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as The Last Dance. I don't know about that.
I do! But guys go ahead and record your answer

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Be sure to answer before March 23rd. In our
final bit of news, we learned that a live action

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Teen Titans movie is in development at DC Studios.
Apparently, it's being written by the same

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writer who wrote Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow,

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not sure about the pronunciation of her last
name, but it's exciting to hear that they really

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like her as a writer and are bringing her on
another DC project. I've heard that the Supergirl

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Woman of Tomorrow script is fantastic, according
to James Gunn. Of course, he may not be the

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most unbiased of sources there, but as the head
of the studio, you gotta imagine that when

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a project excites him enough to comment on it
on social media and announce that to the world,

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it's gotta be pretty good. I mean, the whole
the studio having faith in the script doesn't

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really mean anything, considering the writer
of Birds of Prey, Christina Hodson, wrote multiple

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DC movies. Yeah, she also wrote The Flash, which
James Gunn also said was one of the best superhero

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movies he had ever seen. So I don't know, maybe
I shouldn't put too much faith in this new

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writer. But damn it, I gotta, I gotta, because
both projects sound really cool. I've always

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wanted to see a live action Teen Titans movie.
I think the film will do gangbusters because

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a lot of people like Teen Titans, whether it's
the Teen Titans cartoon or Teen Titans Go.

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I'm really looking forward to seeing what roster
they come up with here. Maybe they'll even

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include Jaime Reyes' Blue Beetle. You never
know. I wonder if they're going to include

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whoever plays Robin in the Brave and the Bold
movie. Like if Damien's going to be part of

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the Titans. You have to imagine that they would.
Considering that Brave and the Bold... is supposed

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to come out before the Teen Titans movie. So
you're just assuming that Nightwing doesn't

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exist and that Damien will be Batman's first
Robin in this universe? No, I'm assuming Nightwing

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does exist, but they're not going to start with
his history as the character of Robin. I believe

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that James Gunn's DC Universe is going to be
one that's fully established. And we're not

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going to get too many superhero origins. So
why not just include Nightwing in the Teen

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Titans movie as opposed to Damien? I mean, you
could. You absolutely could. You can make this

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more of like a Titans film with like Donna Troy
and Wally West. I think that would be really

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cool too. Actually, I would prefer that because
you have to imagine that they're not going

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to do too many sidekick characters, like the
very first iteration of the Teen Titans, because

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not all of the mentors that the sidekicks belong
to will have been established on screen by

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the time this movie is made, I imagine. So characters
like Raven, Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy make

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more sense to me. For sure. Yeah. but no word
on a director or a release date or anything

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else besides the writer yet, but we will keep
you guys informed when we find out.

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That does it for all the news for this episode.
Now let's move on to the main event where we

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review the DC animated film, Justice League
Doomsday.

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Alright, Justice League Doom is a 2012 animated
direct-to-video feature written by Dwayne McDuffie

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and featuring a voice cast largely taken from
the popular Justice League animated series.

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It's an adaptation of a very popular JLA storyline
named Tower of Babel written by Mark Waid and

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published in the year 2000. This storyline came
out right around the time I first started collecting

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DC Comics. And to this day, it's one of my favorite
JLA storylines ever. If you haven't seen the

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movie or are not familiar with the Tower of
Babel storyline, here's your spoiler warning

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as I'll be going into details of both for this
review. So Tower of Babel was a storyline from

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the comics that spun out of a mini-series titled
Silver Age, also written by Mark Waid, also

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released in the year 2000, that recounted the
story of an alien named Agamemno that swapped

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the minds of DC's heroes and villains during
the Silver Age of comics, allowing the villains

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to not only use the heroes powers, but also
learn their secret identities. The villain's

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memories were later erased, but that retcon
to Silveridge continuity of the Justice League's

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history resulted in Batman being wise or paranoid
enough to devise and record secret fail safes

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to defeat each member of the Justice League
of America. In the comics, those plans were

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stolen by the villain Ra's al Ghul. who planned
on getting the Justice League out of the way

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in order to prevent them from foiling his ultimate
plan of stirring worldwide chaos by preventing

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anyone from reading, which would allow him to
orchestrate an atomic war between two nations.

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Okay. Right off the bat, I see the pros and
cons to having Ra's al Ghul as the villain

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compared to the Legion of Doom. One of the pros
of having Ra's al Ghul is that you have his

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League of Assassins basically taking down the
Justice League, which seems more impressive

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on its own right. But on the other hand, in
this film, what I really like is that you got

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really great superhero action because you had
the Justice League heroes individuelly going

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up against their greatest villains. Right. And
you can't really ask for better than that,

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you know? No, I totally agree. I think the Legion
of Doom is much, much more compelling. And

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it's one of several ways in which Justice League
Doom improves upon the Tower of Babel storyline,

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despite being a condensed version of it. Not
only is Vandal Savage, in my opinion, a better

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version of Ra's al Ghul in regards to the whole
immortality angle, but characters like Bane,

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Mirror Master, and Star Sapphire are obviously
more interesting than nameless ninjas from

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the comics. In fact, I'd say the roster of the
Legion of Doom is one of the more interesting

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things about this film and how well Dwayne McDuffie
was expertly able to generate genuine conflict

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and interest by the very nature of the villains
he chose. Like this wasn't a team of Lex Luthor

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and Joker and Sinestro like the traditional
Legion of Doom, but villains who could genuinely

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damage the heroes on multiple levels with the
help of none other than Batman himself, adding

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fuel to the idea that, hey, maybe Batman really
is the most powerful superhero in DC Comics.

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And this storyline specifically kind of poses
that question. It definitely did amongst comic

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fans in the early 2000s. Yeah, in regards to
the roster of the Legion of Doom here, I was

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impressed. going into the show. I guess I was
a little bit disappointed because it seemed

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like the roster that you had chosen, even for
our team duel that we did last week, was so

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much better, you know? Because it had people
like Brainiac and stuff like that. And this

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team at first glance seemed less interesting,
but it really wasn't. No. It was a fantastic

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roster. And I remember thinking like, oh man,
Jonathan should have gone with some of these

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guys. Well, some of them haven't actually been
a part of the Legion of Doom in the comics.

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Really the only one that had been was Cheetah.
But no, I agree with you. Like having Brainiac

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on this team would have definitely not made
the film as personal as it was. Like you couldn't

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have done the whole scene atop the daily planet
with Brainiac as opposed to Metallo. It seemed

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that Rostro was handpicked by Vandal Savage
for their unique ability to pose a specific

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lethal threat to the heroes. Exactly. Like if
you're going to go up against Superman, go

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with the Kryptonite guy, right? Exactly. As
opposed to, you know, someone like Toyman,

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you know? And if you're going to go up against
Batman... Use the guy who broke his fucking

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back. Right, exactly. Yeah. Common sense. Now,
of course, one of the biggest draws for this

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film, as you mentioned, is the action, which
takes up over half of the film. I'd say that

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there's more action in this film than story,
which is why I'm sure it's pretty popular among

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comic fans. The film currently sits at 100 percent
fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes and an 87 percent

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audience score, which damn, I mean, in I assume
we're going to give this a fresh rating on

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Rotten Tomatoes. You're going to recommend the
movie. So that number is going to stay at 100.

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Yeah. Yep. Maybe you should give this a rotten
rating just to, you know, mess with the score.

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Fuck no. I have integrity, bro, as a Rotten
Tomatoes critic. Now, the action is pretty

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good. But I do have to say that the animation
style feels fairly dated to me now. Like after

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films like Justice League, Flashpoint Paradox,
which came out the year after this. and the

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new Tomorrowverse films, I don't really miss
the Bruce Tim style of animation, which I know

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is blasphemy. I will say, though, that while
I didn't think the animation was all that great,

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the character designs, particularly the villains,
were fantastic. Like Bane's never looked sleeker.

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Mattello's never looked cooler. Mirror Master's
translucent body was just awesome. Yeah, that

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was cool. Star Sapphire was hot and Vandal Savage
was like regal. It was all fantastic, including

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for heroes like Cyborg and Martian Manhunter.
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the animation was

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just a notch above what the Saturday Morning
animated cartoon was. Right. To my knowledge,

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though, this doesn't play within the same continuity
as the Justice League cartoon, even though

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it's the same cast. Yeah, they brought in a
lot of the same voice cast. But you're right.

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It's a separate universe here. But speaking
of the heroes, let's talk more about them in

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our character breakdown. Now, Batman. and Bruce
Wayne, were voiced by Kevin Conroy, the late,

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great Kevin Conroy. I'm not sure I could say
anything that we haven't said before or that

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everyone else does already know. Kevin Conroy
sounds exactly like Batman should sound. And

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from the opening scene of Batman disregarding
Superman's advice to wait to take care of the

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Royal Flush Gang, you recognize this kind of
contempt that Superman has for his superpowered

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teammates, as though he feels that they think
he's incapable. This is also evident by banter

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from The Flash. When Batman says he's right
behind him, Flash scoffs at the notion that

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Batman could be anywhere else. It's subtleties
like these that show why Batman may have created

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plans to destroy the League, and it definitely
shows where Dwayne McDuffie, the writer, stands

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in the debate over whether what Batman did was
right or wrong. In the comic, there's much

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more of a drawn-out emotional debate amongst
the League members, of whether what Batman

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did, you know, think up ways to defeat them,
was morally right. And Batman doesn't quit

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the team in the end, he straight up gets voted
out by his peers. So that's one major deviation

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of the source material here. I like that more.
Batman choosing to essentially say, you can't

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fire me, I quit, helps him keep his badass status
a little bit more in this movie. Probably.

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But I also think that Batman's a cocky little
asshole who deserves to be put in his place

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every once in a while. whether or not he is
correct in his position that the league should

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have fail safes against each other, he doesn't
have to be such a fucking dick about it. If

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I were the Green Lantern or something like that,
as Batman was walking out of the Justice League

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watch tower, I'd have been like, nobody likes
you, don't let the door hit you on the way

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out or something. Holy shit! Just to, you know,
like, fuck with him. Cause like nobody said

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anything, they just let Batman be a badass,
but the dude needs to be brought down a wrong

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game every once in a while. Well, he wasn't
brought down a rung or put in his place in

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the comics either. He actually was told to step
out of the room while they voted. And when

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the deciding vote came, it was a mystery. They
looked outside to let Batman know, and it was

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revealed that he already knew how each of them
was going to vote and that Superman was going

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to be the deciding vote to kick him out. So
he was already gone. Lame. He just knew them

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that well. OK, he's Batman. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Now, in this film, Batman's weakness was deemed

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to be his emotional attachment to his parents,
which is apt. It was the same in the comics,

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though Russell Gould didn't bury Bruce alive
with their corpses. He threatened to bring

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them back to life in a Lazarus pit, which was
pretty wild. I actually think what Bane did

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in this movie was more badass. Really? Yeah,
being buried alive with your parents' corpses,

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that's hardcore shit, man. It's very hardcore.
I just don't understand. why he left him alive

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or didn't like put a giant boulder over the
coffin so he couldn't like, you know, punch

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his way out of it. Yeah, that's true. Moving
on to Superman and Clark Kent, he was voiced

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by Tim Daly. I'd argue Tim Daly has a better
voice for Superman than any other actor who's

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played or voiced the character. He's that good,
in my opinion. Tim Daly is the quintessential

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Superman, in the same way that Kevin Conroy
is the quintessential Batman. The whole cast

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here, I think, was about as ideal as you could
possibly get as a fan. Uh, for the most part,

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yeah yeah. Now almost each of the Justice Leagueers
get a great character moment in this film,

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and I think one of Superman's best character
moments out of any feature film is in Justice

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League Doom. It's when he's talking to the recently
fired reporter who's threatening to kill himself

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atop the Daily Planet building. Some listeners
may know that Joseph and I used to be newspaper

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reporters for a now-defunct major metropolitan
newspaper, which closed just a few years before

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this movie first came out. And I remember this
scene just hitting home when I first saw it

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back in 2012. Just feeling the despair at the
notion of journalism dying and Superman's words

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about how we can't give up the never-ending
battle to fight for truth and justice. It was

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just a great scene that I think was inspired
by a key moment from the All-Star Superman

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comic, which is supposed to be one of the inspirations
for James Gunn's Superman movie, so I won't

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be surprised if we get a similar scene in the
movie. Where he's talking down someone who's

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about to jump off a building? Yeah. Now of course,
the powerful scene in this movie is punctuated

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by the reporter revealing himself to be Mattello
and shooting Superman in the chest with a kryptonite

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bullet. I did not see that coming the first
time I watched this. I was shook. Yeah, how

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does Mattello even disguise himself in that
way? Well, he's worn fake skin in the past.

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Okay. Yeah. Now in the comics, Superman is actually
exposed to red kryptonite, which causes his

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skin to become transparent, and he absorbs too
much solar radiation so that his senses overload

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and his power becomes uncontrollable. I like
the green kryptonite bullet more, honestly.

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Yeah, for sure. It also led to a great point
at the end of the film when Superman entrusts

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Batman with that same Kryptonite bullet. Kind
of showing that, hey, we're kicking you out,

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but, you know, you're still my friend. Moving
on to Wonder Woman, she was voiced by Susan

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Eisenberg. Now honestly, I love this entire
voice cast, including Susan Eisenberg, but

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I also love the more recent interpretations
of Wonder Woman's voice having a European accent.

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Back when this movie came out though, I thought
Susan Eisenberg's voice was perfect for the

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character. Yeah, she was much more all American
back in the day, right? Before Gal Gadot's

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take. Right. I agree. I also like the more modern
take on her character, like Santa Cat's voice

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in the tomorrow verse. Right. Or I'm not sure
the name of the actress, but the character

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and DC superhero girls also has an accent, which
I think is just great. Now, Wonder Woman probably

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has the least amount of character development
in the film. She doesn't have a secret identity

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like the others. so she doesn't get that moment
of having her life being interrupted by these

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attacks. That said, the method with which she
was brought down was much better here in the

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movie than in the comics, where the nanite simulated
reality she was exposed to made her actual

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body go comatose, and she battled an anonymous
opponent who was her combative equal. In the

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movie, having that combatant be Cheetah and
every other bystander and authority figure

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around her resemble cheetah as well, was borderline
horrifying. I mean, imagine just randomly being

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taken out by a crazy-eyed Wonder Woman for no
reason. She was at like a park when it happened.

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She had to have punched a baby in the face.
Had to. I guess, I don't know, it was a little

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bit weird. You think that she would have snapped
out of it, like, realizing there couldn't possibly

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be this many cheetahs, somebody's fucking with
me. Like- especially when you see cheetah fighting

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as cyborg and cyborg is doing things that cheetah
can't do you know wonder woman just seemed

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dumb i think she was just caught up in the adrenaline
and you know cheetah's come out with weird

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new powers before so i don't think it was you
know out of the realm of possibility but she

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was also saying what are you doing wonder woman
you know and like not fighting back obviously

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so like kicking your ass what the hell Wouldn't
Wonder Woman at least be confused by the fact

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that some of these cheetah people are running
away from her and you know, not wanting to

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engage? Uh, maybe. I just think she was really
confused. Or she's really dumb. How dare you.

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Shut up. Moving on to The Flash, aka Barry Allen.
He was voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, who also

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played Lex Luthor in the Smallville television
series. Now, I've always preferred his voice

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for Wally West. He voiced Wally West, the Flash
in the Justice League cartoon because he's

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fairly comedic, but he does a decent Barry Allen
as well. Well, it was almost the same exact

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voice. It was exactly the same voice and really
the same take on the character to assume sort

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of sort of. I would say Barry Allen was a little
bit less joking. The Flash typically is now

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when this movie came out. I believe it was the
first time I had seen Barry Allen in the role

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of the Flash. for maybe over a decade on screen.
I wasn't used to seeing the Flash as an on

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the ground CSI type forensic scientist. So that
was a novel angle for its time. By this point

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had Barry Allen come back in the new 52? Yes,
this film came out a year after the new 52.

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Okay. Now the plan to defeat the Flash in this
movie was somewhat convoluted, second probably

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only to help Jordan's plan of defeat. But I
liked it more than what we got in the comics.

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You know, there, Flash was shot by a vibra bullet,
which sounds like a sex toy. And that caused

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him to have seizures at light speed. In the
movie, Mirror Master's trap results in a speed-like

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scenario, the movie speed, where the Flash can't
dip below a certain velocity or else he explodes.

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And I thought that was a fantastic concept.
That was really cool. I mean, the way that

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they got the bomb bolted into his wrist was
a little bit convoluted. But the bomb itself

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was a fascinating concept. And that really that
was the one that I was the most interested

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in during the climaxes of each of the characters.
And you're wondering who's going to survive

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and how are they going to survive and all that
stuff. I just remember, like, really wanting

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to go back to see what the Flash was doing and
Batman's idea to have him vibrate out of the

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bomb and embed it into an iceberg, I thought
was just brilliant. Honestly, it was the perfect

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way to get out of it and something I did not
see coming. Yeah, I mean, that's. Part of the

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enjoyment of, I would say, a majority of this
film is determining, okay, what is so-and-so's

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weakness? And now that they're in this trap,
how are they going to get out of it? It's fun

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stuff to watch. It's essentially each hero's
worst nightmare come to life, right? Right.

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You're right. And that's the big appeal of this
movie is seeing them overcome the most dire

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circumstances they'll probably ever face. Yeah.
It's pretty unique in how personal it is. No

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other film. is really like this. Like usually
they all have to band together to face one

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single threat. But being put up against their
like most personal threats and really effective

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threats is pretty novel and pretty cool. Moving
on to Green Lantern aka Held Jordan. He was

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voiced by Nathan Fillion who will be playing
a different live action Green Lantern Guy Gardner

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in the upcoming Superman live action movie.
I'm looking forward to it. The guy's a great

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actor. who can expertly pull off the bravado
and strength of Hal Jordan, but also the humor

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of Guy Gardner. Now, I remember being somewhat
surprised that this cartoon featured Hal Jordan

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as opposed to Jon Stewart, because Jon Stewart,
of course, was the main Green Lantern in the

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Justice League cartoon series, which this film
borrowed a lot from. In the comics, Green Lantern

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was simply blinded as his weakness, but in the
movie, he was cut down to his very core. by

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an elaborate trap set up by Star Sapphire using
Scarecrow's fear toxin. And it made more sense

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thematically to me for Hal Jordan to succumb
to fear rather than blindness because it's

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the primary thing that he's supposed to be able
to overcome to be a Green Lantern. So giving

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up that mantle after feeling guilt when a young
woman died was pretty tragic. You really got

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the sense that Hal truly was afraid that he
didn't deserve the power that he wielded with

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his ring. I will admit that I first thought
Star Sapphire's whole setup was a little weird

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until Batman explained the fear toxin angle
and then it all made sense. Yeah, absolutely.

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I thought that as well. I was like, really?
Like Star Sapphire isn't even going to fight

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him. She's just going to like show up out of
fucking nowhere without explanation to be like,

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wow, you really suck, Hal. And he's just gonna
be like, yeah, I do. And then drop the ring

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like that's so much less compelling than like
having a bomb bolted through your wrist like

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the flash. You know, right. Like I was like,
this is stupid. What are they thinking? But

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then when Batman mentioned the fear toxin from
the scarecrow, I was like, oh, OK, this it

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does work. And they gave the briefest hints
of what was going on when he saw this truck

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coming at him and it turned into a monster.
But then he like blinked and it was a truck

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again. Yeah. But you had to really be paying
attention to catch that. I do wish they gave

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a little bit more backstory as to the history
between Hal and Carol and why and how Carol

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became a Star Sapphire though. I kind of feel
like we have to do a Star Sapphire duel at

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some point in the future. Bring it on, for sure.
Moving on to Martian Manhunter aka John Jones,

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Carl Lumbee's voice performance is perfect for
Martian Manhunter and he pulls double duty

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in this film uncredited as he was also the voice
for Ma'alif'Aq, whom we affectionately refer

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to as as Motherfucker on our Discord server.
But his supervillain name is Molefic, pronounced

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Motherfucker. Now, I love seeing John Jones
in this film. I don't think too many people

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are familiar with the Martian Manhunter's alter
ego, since he's usually resigned to like satellite

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duty in the Justice League comics and cartoon.
But the guy has a life outside of being a superhero.

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The whole dynamic of John's friends wanting
to celebrate with him was a great bit of trickery

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because you weren't sure where the trap was
going to come from. Was it his partner or the

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co-worker who had a crush on him? Of course
it ended up being some blonde floozy at the

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bar and let that be a lesson to everyone. In
the comics, it was nanites that converted his

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skin to magnesium, but I think the poison sweat
secretions that set him on fire were a lot

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better. Like, motherfucker is one cold mother-
Shut your mouth. What? I'm just talking about

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motherfucker? Hahaha.

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Yeah, it was horrifying. What I want to know
is why didn't Martian Manhunter die? Because

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he was literally on fire, screaming his head
off for a solid like 15, 20 minutes. Well,

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that's a good question. So traditionally in
the comics, the fire pain that Martians feel

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is psychological. It's not physical pain or
physical damage. They are psychically afraid

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of fire as a race. It debilitates them, but
it's not going to like burn them. Moving briefly

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over to Cyborg, he was voiced by Bumper Robinson.
I think he did just as good a job with the

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character as Kerry Payton from Teen Titans Go
personally. This was the cinematic introduction

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to Cyborg being on the Justice League, as he
had recently been made a member of the team

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in the New 52 reboot of DC Comics. He actually
proves to be a fairly vital member to the team

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in this film, probably the most vital in this
adventure. as the Legion of Doom is equipped

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with some fairly advanced technology. Vandal
Savage mentions that he got the Bat Computer

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Decoder from LexCorp, so you have to wonder
where he got his other technology. With Marsha

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Manhunter on the team, I was a little bit confused
because Cyborg did feel a little bit out of

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place to me, considering that Aquaman was nowhere
to be seen. Yeah, I mean, Aquaman was in the

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comic. His weakness was that using a scarecrow
toxin, he was made afraid of water. But once

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Martian Manhunter got over being on fire, he
was able to psychically help Aquaman stop being

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afraid. The one villain I want to touch on in
our character breakdown is Vandal Savage. He

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was voiced by Phil Morris, who does a ton of
DC work. He played Martian Manhunter in Smallville,

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and he was Dr. Silas Stone in the Doom Patrol
series. Now Vandal Savage in this film made

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it his goal to cut Earth's population in half.
making him essentially like Thanos before Thanos,

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clearly showing once again how much Marvel rips
off from DC. I'm sorry, but the Infinity Gauntlet

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storyline came out way before this movie. Oh
yeah. Anyway, to do this, of course, Vandal

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was going to use a missile to generate a massive
solar flare that would scorch the sunward side

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of the planet, though I'm not sure where you'd
have to hit to destroy exactly 50% of the population.

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It was a pretty unique plan, I think, as was
the League's method of stopping it. I want

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to know why Vandal Savage even needed the Legion
of Doom to pull off this Solar Flare mission.

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If he didn't fuck with the League, chances are
that they probably wouldn't even been on to

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him and his plan. He probably would have pulled
it off, considering how hard it was for the

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League to actually stop his plan when they knew
well in advance when it was going to happen.

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What if he just... you know, shot the missile
and, you know, no one was the wiser until half

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the planet was gone. That seems like it would
make more sense. Interesting. I think maybe

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he just didn't want to take the chance. Like
the missile would have shown up in like Watchtower

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space radar. I'm pretty sure. And then what
would they have done? Exactly what they already

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did. Superman would have gone up and he would
have tried to stop the missile, but it would

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have, you know, ejected more missiles. And the
only thing that would have been different is

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that Cyborg wouldn't have had access to the
technology that made Earth intangible for the

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flare to pass through. Well, I mean, you know,
Green Lantern could have also gone with Superman

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instead of being distracted by Star Sapphire,
though, you know, Superman could have had more

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help. He had help with Green Lantern. All Green
Lantern could do was create a shield that was

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strong enough. No, I mean, at the Sun, though.
I'm not buying it. Bitch, just accept it. It's

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a story. Why are you getting mad? I don't know.
Just admit that Vandal Savage is stupid. Um,

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okay. Yeah, sure. All right. Now it's never
explained how Vandal Savage knew that Batman

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had plans to bring down members of the Justice
League, but that's kind of the mystery of Vandal

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Savage. Like he's been around so long. He just
knows things. His access to information and

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resources are essentially his superpower, along
with his immortality and brutish strength.

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He's another character they'll have to do a
duel with someday. Yeah, our executive producer

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said we should put him against Sebastian Shaw,
but I'm pretty sure Shaw would beat the shit

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out of Vandal Savage. You don't know. I mean,
Vandal Savage can't die, but he also can't

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get superhumanly strong. So we use already superhumanly
strong kids like a gorilla type strength. That's

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not going to be good enough. OK, let's go ahead
and move into our story highlights.

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Batman finds the Royal Flush Gang using advanced
technology to steal diamonds. He summons the

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aid of the Justice League to Gotham City to
bring them down. The hero Cyborg aids the team

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in defeating the gang and in analyzing the device
that allowed the villainous team to enter the

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diamond storage facility by turning walls intangible.
With the Royal Flush Gang unable to remember

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who gave them the device, the Justice League
goes their separate ways for the night. As

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Batman returns home in the Batmobile, He glimpses
Mirror Master in his rearview mirror, but dismisses

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the sighting. I do have one question here. Uh,
why does the Batmobile have a rearview mirror

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with no rear window? That's a great question.
Yeah, you assume he has like a rear camera

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as opposed to a rear window. Plot hole for sure.
Ruins the whole movie! One star. The fight

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against the Royal Flush Gang was a great way
to kick off this movie. because it was just

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a lot of fun, a great way to show off the characters
superpowers and whatnot. And the Royal Flush

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Gang, actually I always thought that they made
their debut in the Batman Beyond television

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series. So to see them here, I was actually
surprised. Oh really? No, they've been around

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a while. I think they were even in an episode
of Justice League, but yeah, they've been around

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a while. They're just a cool gimmicky set of
supervillains. Very gimmicky, although I liked

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that in this version each one had their own
specific gimmick, whether an eye laser, or

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like razor sharp cards, or brute strength. I
think that was pretty unique. After Batman

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parks the Batmobile and leaves the Batcave to
tend to his wounds, a hologram of Mirror Master

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leaves the Batmobile and hacks the Batcomputer,
stealing files that contain Batman's contingency

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plans on how to incapacitate each member of
the Justice League. When Bane, Metallo, Cheetah,

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Star Sapphire, and Mothafucka answer an invitation
to the Legion of Doom headquarters in the Louisiana

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Swamp, they meet the Legion's leader, Vandal
Savage, an immortal who offers each of them

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generous rewards if they use his stolen plans
to bring down the Justice League. The Legion

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of Doom headquarters was a nice homage to the
Super Friends cartoon. Right. Yeah. Not only

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was it in the swamp, not only did it look- Kind
of like Darth Vader's head, but even the sitting

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chamber was reminiscent of the Super Friends.
At Wayne Manor, Bane ambushes Batman at the

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graves of his parents, Thomas and Martha Wayne,
beating him unconscious and burying him alive

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in his father's coffin. At a bar near the coast,
Motherfucker, disguised as an attractive woman,

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00:49:42,667 --> 00:49:48,729
tricks police detective John Jones, aka Martian
Manhunter, into drinking a poison that causes

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00:49:48,749 --> 00:49:54,606
him to sweat flammable magnesium and burst into
flames. While battling Wonder Woman on a docked

543
00:49:54,666 --> 00:50:00,248
ship, Cheetah scratches Wonder Woman with nanite-tipped
claws, resulting in Wonder Woman seeing and

544
00:50:00,308 --> 00:50:06,589
hearing Cheetah in innocent bystanders. Mirror
Master lures Flash into a trap, attaching a

545
00:50:06,669 --> 00:50:11,991
bomb to his wrist that will create a 3-mile
explosion if he tries to remove it or decrease

546
00:50:12,071 --> 00:50:17,992
in speed. Star Sapphire targets Green Lantern
in a mine, using fear gas on him and convincing

547
00:50:18,032 --> 00:50:23,062
him that he doesn't deserve his mantle, leading
him to renounce his reign. and resigned himself

548
00:50:23,082 --> 00:50:28,805
to his fate in the collapsing salt mine. Metallo,
disguised as a recently terminated Daily Planet

549
00:50:28,845 --> 00:50:33,888
reporter, shoots Superman with a kryptonite
bullet on the Daily Planet roof. I just want

550
00:50:33,908 --> 00:50:39,291
to say that Marsha Manhunter has no Riz. And
I don't know if I'm too old to say Riz, so

551
00:50:39,311 --> 00:50:44,514
I'll switch it up to game. Like, this woman
bought him a soda and he just comes up to her

552
00:50:44,554 --> 00:50:50,390
and he's like, mmm delicious soda. I just remember
thinking like, this is so awkward. Like he's

553
00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:55,733
an alien, so you kind of give him a pass. Yeah.
But I just thought it was hilarious. Yeah.

554
00:50:55,793 --> 00:51:00,897
If that really wasn't motherfucker, she would
have just been like, uh, I got to go wash my

555
00:51:00,957 --> 00:51:09,723
hair. I have a sick aunt. Out of all the different
ways this story rift on the characters weaknesses

556
00:51:09,863 --> 00:51:14,126
from the source material, what was your favorite?
Well, my favorite was Superman. That was my

557
00:51:14,166 --> 00:51:18,889
favorite moment, maybe in the entire movie.
I think it was shocking. I think it was heartfelt.

558
00:51:19,422 --> 00:51:24,425
I loved what Superman was saying. I think it
was just like a great closure to like the whole

559
00:51:24,505 --> 00:51:28,748
sequence of all the heroes going down. Actually,
when Superman hits the ground, that's the end

560
00:51:28,788 --> 00:51:32,610
of that whole sequence. And that's actually
the halfway point of the movie. Interesting.

561
00:51:33,011 --> 00:51:37,434
So, yeah, it takes a while to get through all
of it. What about yours? Again, The Flash,

562
00:51:37,674 --> 00:51:41,517
I think. And my least favorite, of course, was
Green Lanterns until I knew what happened there.

563
00:51:41,817 --> 00:51:45,019
They're all pretty great, honestly. I don't
know if I have a least favorite. I liked them

564
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:51,043
all. Well, Cyborg helps Wonder Woman overcome
her hallucination. By recognizing and neutralizing

565
00:51:51,103 --> 00:51:56,226
the frequency the nanites were emitting, Batman
helps Flash by suggesting he phase through

566
00:51:56,246 --> 00:52:01,729
an arctic iceberg to cool and slow down the
electronics in the wrist-mounted bomb. Wonder

567
00:52:01,789 --> 00:52:07,012
Roman then helps Martian Manhunter, still on
fire in the water, by injecting his body with

568
00:52:07,052 --> 00:52:12,655
aluminum oxide at Batman's suggestion, while
Batman himself visits Green Lantern in the

569
00:52:12,755 --> 00:52:19,679
salt mine to reveal that Green Lantern was deceived
by a mixture of fear toxin, animatronics. Batman,

570
00:52:19,859 --> 00:52:25,203
Cyborg, and Martian Manhunter together are able
to save Superman by removing the kryptonite

571
00:52:25,243 --> 00:52:30,766
bullet in his chest. You know for as much shit
as the league gives Batman at least the guy

572
00:52:30,907 --> 00:52:37,591
also had fail safes for his fail safes. You
know, he did develop ways to take each of the

573
00:52:37,631 --> 00:52:42,754
league members out but he also had ways to stop
those plans. Exactly with like the aluminum

574
00:52:42,855 --> 00:52:48,830
oxide with the kryptonite scalpel. Yeah, there
were plans in place. Like, he put them in danger,

575
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:53,954
but he also saved their lives. Exactly. Now,
at the Justice League satellite headquarters,

576
00:52:54,255 --> 00:52:59,298
Batman reveals that what the team had just gone
through was his fault. That Mirror Master,

577
00:52:59,619 --> 00:53:04,222
while working with someone else, had stolen
his plans to neutralize the League members.

578
00:53:04,663 --> 00:53:10,147
Despite being angry with him, the League tracks
a signal from Batman's decoded files to the

579
00:53:10,187 --> 00:53:15,159
Legion of Doom headquarters, where the League
battles the Legion. but are unable to stop

580
00:53:15,219 --> 00:53:19,663
Vandal Savage from launching his missile to
the sun. What did you think of Vandal Savage's

581
00:53:19,723 --> 00:53:25,348
motivation? As far as humanity needed to, I
don't know, become simpler or something through

582
00:53:25,428 --> 00:53:30,793
chaos and destruction? I think it makes sense
for the character. He comes from a much simpler

583
00:53:30,853 --> 00:53:39,220
time, and with his immortality, he probably
does feel like he is the best equipped to govern

584
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:44,699
humanity as a species. You know, definitely
better than Russell Gould's motivation of simply

585
00:53:44,799 --> 00:53:49,900
distracting everyone. Made it so that no one
could read, so that it caused global chaos

586
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:56,662
with the ultimate goal of initiating a war between
two countries. So that lack of communication

587
00:53:56,922 --> 00:54:01,883
is why that arc was called Tower of Babel. Yes.
Yep. Makes sense. He created this tower that

588
00:54:01,923 --> 00:54:08,325
emitted a frequency worldwide that scrambled
the reading centers in people's brains. I don't

589
00:54:08,365 --> 00:54:14,208
know. Well now it makes more sense why the name
of this movie wasn't Justice League Tower of

590
00:54:14,248 --> 00:54:19,551
Babel and I do think that Justice League Doom
is a much better name. I agree, much better

591
00:54:19,591 --> 00:54:24,735
promise all around. After overcoming their counterparts,
the Justice League works together to save the

592
00:54:24,775 --> 00:54:31,034
planet when Superman fails to stop the missile
from triggering a solar flare. Cyborg discovers

593
00:54:31,054 --> 00:54:35,697
that the Legion headquarters is like a giant
version of the Royal Flush Gang's intangibility

594
00:54:35,757 --> 00:54:44,382
device and calculates that they could use it
to turn the entire planet intangible and safe

595
00:54:44,402 --> 00:54:49,966
from the harm of the solar flare. The plan works
and the Earth is saved. Isn't that kind of

596
00:54:49,986 --> 00:54:59,007
bullshit? It's a comic book, bro! I thought
it was cool. You know, turning the planet intangible

597
00:54:59,167 --> 00:55:04,229
wouldn't necessarily save it from all the effects
of the solar flare, right? Sure would. What

598
00:55:04,269 --> 00:55:09,252
are you talking about? Why wouldn't it, Dr.
Joseph? And also, like, what would happen to

599
00:55:09,312 --> 00:55:13,014
everybody on the planet if the Earth became
intangible? Like, wouldn't they fall into it?

600
00:55:13,454 --> 00:55:17,756
It was all just weird. It was all weird. No,
because the planet wouldn't have had gravity

601
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:22,038
anymore because it had no more mass. Because
it was intangible. Stupid. I thought that was

602
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:26,502
the most bullshit way to avoid a solar flare
that they could have come up with in a fantasy

603
00:55:26,562 --> 00:55:32,067
comic book story. I thought it was actually
a really interesting and fun way to do it It

604
00:55:32,107 --> 00:55:36,791
was like one of those things from the Justice
League comic books in the 90s and early 2000s

605
00:55:37,412 --> 00:55:42,016
Just these like wacky ways of stopping this
global threat that's gonna annihilate the world.

606
00:55:42,316 --> 00:55:47,351
It's just unbelievably over the top If it were
me, like, I would have written it so that Cyborg

607
00:55:47,371 --> 00:55:54,294
interfaces with the JLA watch tower and generates
a reverse magnetic polarity beam that, you

608
00:55:54,314 --> 00:55:59,096
know, deflects the solar flare or something
like that. That seems way more plausible, at

609
00:55:59,136 --> 00:56:03,597
least in my mind, than turning the entire damn
planet intangible and having a solar flare

610
00:56:03,637 --> 00:56:10,180
pass through it. Dude, your idea is like some
dumb shit that Marvel would do. DC is way cooler.

611
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,706
Okay. Like, are we gonna stop a solar flare?
Yeah. We're going to turn the whole fucking

612
00:56:14,766 --> 00:56:20,550
planet intangible. It's going to be dope. That
doesn't make sense to your small mind. It doesn't.

613
00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:27,154
But to us, big brain DC guys, it makes perfect
sense. Stop lying to yourself. What you're

614
00:56:27,174 --> 00:56:31,037
saying all of this with like the big smile on
your face. You know, it's bullshit. You just

615
00:56:31,057 --> 00:56:36,300
don't want to say it's bullshit. It's a comic
book, bro. Now, back at the league satellite

616
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,123
headquarters, the team learns that Vandal Savage.
was found guilty of crimes against humanity

617
00:56:41,323 --> 00:56:47,528
and sentenced to life without parole. They officially
add Cyborg to their roster and vote on Batman's

618
00:56:47,548 --> 00:56:53,272
continued membership with the team. Though Batman
defends his actions, he ultimately quits the

619
00:56:53,312 --> 00:56:58,396
League. Superman teleports Batman out of the
Watchtower after giving him a box with the

620
00:56:58,416 --> 00:57:03,799
Kryptonite bullet inside, recognizing the need
for contingencies against them and showing

621
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:08,918
his trust in Batman. And that's the end of the
film. Are you a little bit surprised that this

622
00:57:08,978 --> 00:57:14,861
movie wasn't considered continuity for the DC
animated movie universe that followed this?

623
00:57:15,041 --> 00:57:20,263
I believe Justice League War came out not too
long after this movie, and that also had Cyborg

624
00:57:20,343 --> 00:57:25,065
on the team. It seems like they could have rolled
with this into that universe. Well, the only

625
00:57:25,125 --> 00:57:30,387
problem with that is that between these two
films was the Flashpoint Paradox, which reset

626
00:57:30,467 --> 00:57:35,189
everything. Justice League War is a direct sequel
to the Flashpoint Paradox. They're in the same

627
00:57:35,269 --> 00:57:42,445
universe. So because you had that movie reset
things you couldn't still have doom in continuity.

628
00:57:42,885 --> 00:57:47,488
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I really like
this film. I think it's a short yet adequate

629
00:57:47,548 --> 00:57:53,191
adaptation of the Tower of Babel comic storyline,
complete with a fan favorite voice cast and

630
00:57:53,311 --> 00:57:59,535
enjoyable superhero action. I love the rosters
for both the good guys and the bad guys especially.

631
00:57:59,735 --> 00:58:06,566
I'm giving this film, four stars, a fresh rating
on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, I agree. I mean,

632
00:58:06,687 --> 00:58:10,810
it has almost everything you would want in a
Justice League film. The superpowers are on

633
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:15,955
full display. The action is great. The voice
casting is great. Animation is serviceable

634
00:58:16,475 --> 00:58:20,899
and the story is extremely fascinating. Also
extremely simple and extremely short. The movie

635
00:58:20,979 --> 00:58:26,604
isn't even an hour and a half long. It's only
77 minutes. Most movies are around 90 minutes,

636
00:58:26,964 --> 00:58:31,468
so they definitely had enough room to delve
into the characters a little bit more, and

637
00:58:31,488 --> 00:58:37,424
they probably should have. But yeah, it's definitely
one I would recommend to anyone familiar with

638
00:58:37,504 --> 00:58:42,307
DC. But that does it for this review. Let us
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645
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or on our website. In our next episode, uh,
it's going to be a duel. We're going to find

646
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:25,685
out who will win in a fight between Ultra Humanite
and Mr. Sinister. This duel is a long time

647
00:59:25,725 --> 00:59:31,196
coming. Mr. Sinister is by far one of the biggest
villains that Marvel has that we have yet to

648
00:59:31,216 --> 00:59:36,458
get in a duel. So I'm really excited for this
one. As am I. Ultra Humanite was Superman's

649
00:59:36,518 --> 00:59:41,000
first supervillain and it's about time we've
done a duel episode with him. But that does

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00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:45,558
it for this episode. We want to give a big thanks
to our executive producers. Kent Johnson, John

651
00:59:45,598 --> 00:59:50,123
Storowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Miggy
Mathengian, Brandon Nestergaard, Nathaniel

652
00:59:50,143 --> 00:59:56,989
Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley,
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653
00:59:57,129 --> 01:00:02,074
Dean Molesky for helping make this podcast possible.
And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up

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01:00:02,114 --> 01:00:06,338
and away, true believers. My main weakness is
the cursed. Recapture.