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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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And welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly
show where we review superhero films and debate

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the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters and stat-based battle simulations.

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I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother,
Johnny DC. And in this episode, it's a big

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one, guys. It's our 375th episode. We are going
to find out who would win in a fight between

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the teams of the Legion of Doom versus the Masters
of Evil. Basically, it's the Evil Justice League.

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versus the Evil Avengers for Marvel and DC.
We've done 10 of these team duels now, including

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Justice League versus Avengers, Titan versus
X-Men, Justice Society versus Fantastic Four,

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Suicide Squad versus Defenders, Justice League
Dark versus Midnight Suns, Arkham Asylum versus

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Sinister Six, Young Justice versus Young Avengers,
Flash Rogues versus Brotherhood of Mutants,

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Doom Patrol versus the Guardians of the Galaxy,
we even threw a bonus one in there last Halloween.

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of Deceased vs. The Marvel Zombies. Yeah, if
any of those episodes sound like they strike

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your fancy, be sure to listen to those in addition
to listening to this episode because they're

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a lot of fun, a lot of work goes into them,
and we really appreciate when you guys check

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them out. Before we get into that matchup, we
have an interview with the hosts of one of

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the podcasts in the DynaMic Podcast Network,
Console Combat. We'll get John and Dean on

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the line later on. If you like video games,
you owe it to yourself to check this interview

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out. As always, we list our segment times in
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podcast. Guys, be sure to tune into the other
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week, including Max Destruction, which pits
your favorite action heroes from film and television

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against each other. On the Send Your World podcast,
host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between

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fan favorite anime characters. This Thursday,
we'll find out who would win between Vegeta

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from Dragon and Garou from One Punch Man. Don't
forget to check out last week's episode as

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well. I was a guest host on that episode and
we found out who would win between Goku and

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Superman. On the console combat podcast, hosts
John and Dean find out who would win in fights

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between popular video game characters. In yesterday's
episode, they found out who would win in a

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fight between Ratchet and Clank and Jack and
Daxter. Visit dynamicpodcast.com or click the

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link in our show notes to listen to all the
shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. And

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with that out of the way, quick. to the No Prize.
A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give

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out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No
Prize, is a digital award that we post on Instagram

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for the person that we feel gave the best answer
to our question of the week. Last week we asked,

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what is your favorite Superman logo and why?
This of course was coming off of the news that

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James Gunn and David Cornswett posted the Superman
logo that will appear on the new Superman film

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coming out next year. Yeah, we got three answers,
so let's go ahead and run down the two honorable

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mentions as well as the no prize winner. Our
first honorable mention goes to Miggy Matengian,

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who said, Hey, what's up guys, it's Miggy and
my favorite alternate Superman logo is a fan

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redesign from Reddit where the Pentagon itself
is the S and the inside is a circle split into

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two hemispheres kind of like Saturn Girls logo.
It's my favorite because it kind of goes away

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from recent interpretations where it's a family
crest and instead. like ups the stylization

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of the ass kind of like syndrome from Incredibles.
Yeah, this is a design that Miggy shared on

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our Discord server. So everybody got to see
what it looked like, and I'll do my best to

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try to describe it just like Miggy did. So imagine
the red pentagon shape of the ass shield, and

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it's all red, except for a gold circle that's
in the center with a red band splitting the

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circle into two halves down the middle horizontally.
And then from each of the circle halves, there's

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a line that extends to the edge of the shield.
And it forms an S. It's really cool. You may

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just have to take his word for it. Honestly,
in my opinion, it's probably the coolest super

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band logo I've ever seen. The only reason it
doesn't get this week's no prize award is because

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it's essentially fan art, but really cool fan
art. Yeah, it's very minimalistic and they

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should bring that design into mainstream continuity.
It would be a great movie logo, honestly. Yeah.

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Great answer, Miggy. Our next on our roll mention
goes to Scott Camacho, who said, I know I'm

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going to get some brownie points for this one,
but my favorite Superman logo design is always

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been what the next logo design is. And right
now it'd be Johnny DC's Superman logo. He kind

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of did a modernized version of the figure eight
symbol, which is, I guess, the House of Jor-El

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symbol. And I really am captivated by it and
I really hope they take it into a movie. As

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much as I wanted to give this one the win as
well, it was just going to be a little too

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self-serving. So if you guys have listened to
the podcast for a while, you'll know that Joseph

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and I are both graphic designers by profession
and I love doing different designs of superhero

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logos. I've been working on a Superman logo
for a really long time, but I f- finally nailed

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one that I really liked and I've been posting
it to our discord server and our social media

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accounts and tagging James Gunn. Yeah, both
of these honorable mention answers are a little

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bit esoteric due to the fact that they're not
well known designs and were just mentioned

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on our discord. But I think that just means
that if you're not part of our discord server,

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you should join our Patreon for just two bucks
a month. You can join and chat with the rest

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of the dynamic Duel listening community that's
there. Yeah, it's super fun. Great answer,

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Scotty. But the winner of this week's no prize
is... Travis Herndon who said, Hey guys, Travis

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here. So my pig would have to be the recovery
suit logo. I really love that silver metallic

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chrome look it has combined that with the sort
of skin tight, capeless black uniform he wore.

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It kind of gave it that sort of badass vibe
to me. So that's my big recovery suit. I think

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that screams just badassery all in all. So that's
my pig. So the Superman emblem on Superman's

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recovery suit in the comics is actually just
the standard Superman logo with different coloring.

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Instead of the traditional red and yellow, it's
metallic silver, which is still really cool.

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I loved it in Zack Snyder's Justice League.
Yeah, it looked really good. There have been

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a lot of adaptations that we've seen of it.
I think the poster to Tim Burton's scrapped

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movie that he was going to direct with Nicolas
Cage, that used the recovery suit. I think,

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at least in the poster, it was silver and black.
Well, I mean, yeah, the coloring was the same,

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but the logo design was very much different.
Great design, though. Yeah, there's something

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just so streamlined about the black suit Superman
that I think has this cool, darker appeal over

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his, you know, more traditional primary color
suit. Yeah, it's pretty sleek and minimal.

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As long as Superman doesn't have the mullet,
he looks great in it. Congrats to Travis for

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winning this week's No Prize. If you the listener
want a shot at winning your own No Prize. Stay

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tuned till later on this episode when we'll
be asking another Question of the Week. And

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now that that's done, on to the news!

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Alright, let's get the hosts of the Console
Combat podcast, which is part of the DynaMic

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Podcast Network, on the line. Hey, John, good
to have you back on the show since you were

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last on for Ghost Rider Spirit of Vengeance.
And Dean, this is your first time on Dynamic

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Duel, but you're a relatively new executive
producer, having come on board as you became

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the co-host of Console Combat. How's it going,
guys? Great. Hello. Great. For those who may

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not know, Console Combat is an awesome show
that's like this show, Dynamic Duel, but with

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video games. You guys just finished your 15th
episode, no, actually your 16th episode with

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The Last of Us's Joel Miller versus Days Gone's
Deacon St. John. Your 15th episode was actually

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the Halo review. Yeah, season one. Yeah, you
guys are crushing it and you guys have been

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since your first episode even, I think largely
because like the crazy amount of prep work

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John put into the show's creation and Dean,
your vast knowledge of the gaming industry.

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So to start off, I just want to say great job
guys. Thank you. You're doing so well. Thank

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you. You guys have done episodes like Nathan
Drake versus Lara Croft, Luigi versus Tails,

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Master Chief versus Kratos, Assassin's Creed
versus Hitman. Out of all those episodes you've

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done, what has been your favorite episode to
record so far? That's a good question. Our

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last episode that we released, the one that
you just mentioned, Joel Miller versus Deacon

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St. John. that has been probably my favorite
to do because we diversified the style of fighting.

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We took away the limitations of each other and
we brought an aspect of the worlds they came

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from together and made the amalgamation. And
that for us was a lot of fun because it gave

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the opportunity for the game to be involved
or rather the games to be involved with the

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process more so than usual. Yeah, we were playing
around with that a little bit. I think it worked

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out pretty well. I hope it doesn't seem like
we kind of focus more on the combined fight

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against the variable that came in, but I feel
like it was still viable for how we did it.

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And yeah, it was fun. Yeah, I think you guys
bring a lot of interesting ideas to the speculative

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battles that you guys do. It's very unique from
the other shows in the network, like what Jonathan

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and I do, where we strictly it's just the two
characters and then non environment and stuff

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like that. You guys actually bring in the environment.
You even have like power ups from other video

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games, which is I thought it was brilliant.
It's just a lot of fun the way you guys do

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And also you guys used to do tournament based
battles where the winners of battles would

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go on to compete against the other winners.
And that was an idea that Jonathan and I loved,

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but never did. We kind of toyed around with
it. Do you guys think you'll continue with

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the tournament battles or are you just going
to stick to the single matchups? I think we'll

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go back to doing a tournament at some point.
The difficult part is trying to find characters

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that match up well enough. and also while trying
to consider how they would match with characters

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that are in the other brackets in future fights.
So like we saw a lot of that in this last tournament

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was a lot of really lopsided fights. For example,
our Scorpion versus Nemesis fight, you know,

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it seemed like it was going to be a wash one
way, but it ended up going the other way massively

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just because of the way the stats lined up.
And that's something we need to take into consideration

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more, I think, next time. just because we focused
on getting the first set of brackets where

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they're like, yeah, this isn't even match, and
it makes sense. But we didn't really consider

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too much about later on. I mean, don't get me
wrong, it was fun, because we had those really

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goofy matchups. But at the same time, it's like,
yeah, this one was kind of a wash. Yeah, SEO

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versus Tails was pretty fun to listen to. Yeah,
I had fun with that one for sure. Yes. Kudos

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to you guys for actually putting in that work
and getting it done in that way. Yeah. John's

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idea to have that, that we open the show, was
definitely a good idea. Yeah. What I love about

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Console Combat is that not only do you guys
also do reviews in addition to the Battle Sims,

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but you also talk about the news. You know,
you have your news segments. Right now, currently,

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I only have my Switch Lite, and I haven't been
hard into video games really since I started

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this podcast, because it's just taken up all
my time, and that's going on eight years. Good

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God. Wow. But back in the day, you know, I remember
going on to IGN. almost daily and I was a subscriber

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to Game Informer just to follow the news on
what was going on in the industry and see what

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video games were coming out and stuff. And actually,
oh geez, back in the day, one of my, one of

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Jonathan and I's former coworkers was Brian
Crescenti who started Kotaku. Oh wow. And we

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used to talk to him all the time about gaming
and shit. And really I just miss hearing about

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people talking about gaming and even if I'm
not necessarily playing the games, I still

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find it fascinating to hear. And you guys seem...
like particularly knowledgeable about like

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the technical side of gaming, such as what goes
into making a game and whatnot. Have either

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of you guys ever been in gaming development
or wanted to? I had originally wanted to do

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that going out of high school and into college.
The only class that I really did well in was

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the 3d animation, but even then it was like
basic model building and Blender. So I'm vaguely

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familiar with that. Maybe not in practice, but
in, you know, I can understand the concept.

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And I understand how the coding and everything
works. But actual practice doing it, no. I

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have no experience in actual game design. Well,
it's definitely clear that you have, like,

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some of that background just with the amount
of technical knowledge. And actually, a vast

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gaming history, both of you guys. What is your
gaming history? Like, when did you guys start

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gaming? And what are you currently playing?
On this one, I can go back as far as the NES.

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You're old. Yes, yes, I am. 36 this year. I
remember vividly playing the NES, and then

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this was the transition for me that I actually
remember the games that I was playing. I came

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home one day, and without telling me that anything
had changed, my mother just let me go to the

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video games and turned it on, and it was a totally
different game. I looked at the system and

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I said, wow, this is different. My love for
the Super Nintendo was born. That's really

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where my gaming took hold. It's been just off
the rails ever since. I've played every...

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Every Nintendo rendition up to the GameCube,
then the Wii. I didn't do the Wii U. I have

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a Switch. I also grew up a long PlayStation.
I've had every system for the PlayStation except

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for the handhelds. I've always been a fan of
those two primarily. I mean, you can tell by

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the way we talk to each other on the show, we
do not agree necessarily on the favorites,

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whereas I hate Xbox. Dean is much more preferential
to Xbox. I've never cared for the Xbox myself

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personally. But so yeah, I mean, Nintendo all
day for me. than PlayStation for sure is it's

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equal. And lately my addictions, I mean, everyone's,
besides Dean and his hate for Fortnite, it's

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almost always Fortnite for me. But I'm a big
fan of games like Hogwarts Legacy, which is

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fantastic game. The Call of Duty games, the
Black Ops is my thing. We actually been playing

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that game a little bit. And if anyone has listened
to the show, everyone knows my absolute love

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for the Metal Gear franchise. And yeah, that's
the one for me for sure. Mine actually started

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a long time ago. It was probably a couple years,
if not a about a year after the original Xbox

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came out. I remember my parents, we went to
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Walmart still had the demos of game consoles
for like, you know, Xbox, PS2, GameCube, all

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that stuff. You're old. Yeah, not as old as
you. And we're looking at all the game stuff.

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And my dad goes, thinking about getting one
of these for your brother, which one do you

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think you'd want? I'm like, I don't know, I've
never played any of these. And he's like, well,

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just look at the covers and see which ones you
think look best. It's like the Xbox ones or

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the PlayStation ones. I'm like, oh, so I'm looking
at games or whatever. I'm like, yeah, this

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game looks fun for the Xbox or whatever. So
then I come home and they bought the Xbox and

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it was for me. And so that's kind of when that
started. So that was probably what, 02 or 03,

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somewhere in there. And since then, I've actually
still have that original Xbox and a couple

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other ones. I've got the 360s, Xbox One. I don't
have the newest one because it's pointless

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with everything on PC. I've started dabbling
when I got more into high school into the PlayStation

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stuff, mainly for the exclusives. So I started
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back a few months ago and actually ended up
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for a decent price. So I've started playing
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PC. I do have some of the Nintendo consoles,
SNES, Wii, things like that. I just don't play

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them as much, but PC is usually where I'm sitting
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exclusive like Spider-Man. But lately, like
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with him the other day. And honestly, the one
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2. It's a city builder game. I don't know why,
it's just oddly addictive. It's like a SimCity

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type simulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like
a more modern and upgraded and more fleshed

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out version. Yeah, I may have dated myself by
saying SimCity, but I don't know what the kids

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are playing these days. I played it too. Yeah,
actually, John, your and my gaming histories

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are remarkably similar in that I started out
with the Super Nintendo. And actually, that's

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why your E! Honda versus Sumo Santa episode
was my favorite, because Street Fighter II

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was the very first video game I ever owned.
Jonathan and I got it for Christmas. So there

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was that tie in there and I first mained as
e Honda because I could spam the thousand hand

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slap And Jonathan couldn't do shit about it.
So that was always fun. So going back to the

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podcast What are some of the matchups and reviews
that listeners can expect in the future from

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console combat? Well, we are actually in the
midst of discussing our next review right now

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We're gonna do the Scott Pilgrim versus the
world film from 2010 We're actually looking

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to put the panel of network people together
on that. So, you know, look for that possibly

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having a couple of features for fights. We got
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would have come out yesterday. One of the ones
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that I think is going to be a lot of fun. I'm
calling it a bullet time battle because we're

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going to use Max Payne versus Michael DeSanta
from GTA five. Nice. Yeah. We're actually still

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trying to find a good matchup for Raiden from
the Metal Gear series. So if anyone's got ideas,

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throw them at us. Someone said for someone from
Overwatch. So, and I mean, this is something

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that we're just gonna tease now, but we don't
have a date for him yet. But we are definitely

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gonna do Sonic versus Mario down the line is
it's no questions asked going to happen. But

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we have to he's kind of on our cover. Well that
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has. It's the one that everyone always wants
to know because of course, they're the two

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icons of the two most powerfully known consoles
in the gaming industry. If they really want

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to know that bad, we have the Mario and Sonic
at the Olympics games. Just play those. Or

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Smash Brothers. Yeah, or Smash Brothers, yeah.
Honestly, we consider the nature of the video

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game roster of just infinite characters really
to be open to suggestion. We obviously have

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no quarrels with reuse either. If people see
a character that... they've seen in the past

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and they wanted to go up somewhere else against
someone else more prominent. Like, there are

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so many options to play with and it's literally
the world is our oyster and I think that's

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one of the most enjoyable parts of us doing
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For sure. I can't wait for you guys to do a
Link episode because the Zelda series is my

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favorite game series of all time. That one's
commonplace. I'm actually curious about putting

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video games that are racing based against each
other. That one I feel like is going to be

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our hard point, but we're going to make it work
somehow, All right, Nefrous me versus Gran

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Turismo. And you guys could describe it as maybe
like a Mad Max style race and throw in some

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like Mario Kart power ups and shit. Oh, yes.
That sounds like a lot of fun. Well, it was

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great to have you guys on as part of this episode
and as part of the Dynamite network. So just

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keep crushing it. Keep doing what you guys are
doing because it's awesome. Listeners, if you

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love video games, you literally have no excuse
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you could do anywhere you listen to podcasts
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guys so much for stopping by and can't wait
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having us. Thanks, appreciate it. Great bunch
of guys. Again, if you like video games, you

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cannot miss their show. It's fantastic. I feel
like I didn't get to ask a single question

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there. What the heck? No, Jonathan couldn't
make it to the interview because it was recorded

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earlier, but yeah, great talking to them. Again,
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But I think that does it for all the news for
this episode, so let's go ahead and get into

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our main event, our big team duel where we find
out who would win in a fight between the villainous

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organizations of the Legion of Doom and the
Masters of Evil.

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Alright, the Legion of Doom versus the Masters
of Evil. This episode has been a long time

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coming, primarily because these teams consist
of the greatest villains in both Marvel and

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DC. And it'll be a lot of fun to put these guys
against each other. Now, this is our first

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villain team duel. We've done several already,
including Arkham Asylum versus Sinister Six

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and the Flash Rogues versus the Brotherhood
of Evil. But I feel like this is the big villain

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team matchup. Like, does it get bigger than
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not. The Legion of Doom hands down features
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the Justice League features its most prominent
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this point in their comics history, that team
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Marvel has. The Masters of Evil have had dozens
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they have also probably included almost every
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we narrowed these teams down to just seven characters
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is set up. But to explain the methodology behind
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simulator, Alfred Jarvis9000. AJ9K, tell our
listeners how you go about determining a winner

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in our team duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir.
The way I determine a winner between the two

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teams... is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations
between every character on each team using

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their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is
a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes

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through random sampling. In this case, I randomize
the statistics along a normal distribution

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as a way to simulate the many variables that
can occur during battle. The stat parameters

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are based on the official Marvel power grid,
from which the DC characters' statistics are

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extrapolated. Additional stat categories are
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and perception in order to create a more detailed
and accurate simulation. The results of the

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49,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins
for each character on both teams. The team

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with the higher average win rate is declared
the victor as they have a higher probability

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to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing,
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The comic book stories have shown that there's
even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So

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the confidence rate of my method falls in line
with the precedents that have been established

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in the source material. My mathematical simulations
are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are

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not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes
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Thanks AJ9K. Before we run the simulations though,
we like to break down each team's histories

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and rosters before improvising a scenario on
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play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my
turn to go first with the history. of the Legion

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of Doom. Now, when most people think of the
Legion of Doom, they think of the diabolical

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team featuring Lex Luthor, Giganta, Toy Man,
or Solomon Grundy from the 1970s cartoon Challenge

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of the Super Friends, which is where the team
made their first appearance. In the comics,

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the team didn't make their debut until the mid-90s
in the pages of Extreme Justice. This team

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was led by the hero-turned-villain Brainwave
and included Killer Frost, major force, and

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a robotic duplicate of Gorilla Grodd. That team
of course meant defeat at the hands of the

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Extreme Justice team, which you can learn more
about in our Captain Adam vs. Wonder Man and

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Wonder Twins vs. Cloak and Dagger duel episodes.
While a cartoon-inspired roster would be featured

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in Alex Ross's and Jim Krueger's Out of Continuity
Justice miniseries, a team with the Legion

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of Doom name wouldn't appear again in the DC
Universe until 2011. when Superboy Prime formed

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a team that included Inertia, Sun Girl, and
Brainiac 8, aka Indigo, to go up against the

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Teen Titans, who successfully managed to defeat
Superboy's Legion. You can learn more about

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the Teen Titans in our Titans vs. X-Men Team
Duel episode. Now, although Lex Luthor had

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created several teams of super villains over
the years, including the Injustice League,

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the Injustice Gang, the Secret Six, and the
Seeker Society of Super-Villains, it wasn't

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until 2018 that Lex Luthor finally and officially
formed the Legion of Doom. When the Justice

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League defeated the universe-destroying dragon
Barbados, they cracked the Source Wall at the

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very edge of the universe in the process. From
this crack emerged the Omega Titans, who absorbed

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entire worlds, including K'Kolu, the homeworld
of the villain Brainiac. After protecting Earth

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from the Omega Titans, the then-heroic Lex Luthor
became discouraged by the seeming inevitable

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state of entropy of the world and built a time
machine to travel a million years into the

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future to see what would become of it. He was
surprised to find a world of villains that

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worshipped him, having discovered writings of
his millennia earlier that caused the world

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to embrace entropy and doom. Lex discovered
a secret underground chamber within his father's

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old Legionnaire's club founded by the immortal
Vandal Savage, with writings detailing the

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secret origins and forces of the Multiverse,
as well as a doorknob capable of unlocking

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those forces. Lex assembled the Legion of Doom
in order to harness the hidden universal forces

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and unlock the Totality, the primordial energy
source of the Multiverse imbued within a portion

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of the Source Wall. that had recently crashed
to Earth inside of a massive head that broke

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off from the wall. This Legion included Sinestro,
Gorilla Grodd, an infant version of the Flash

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Villain Turtle, Black Manta, Cheetah, and the
Joker. With a shrunken Lex Luthor and Joker

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infiltrating and controlling Superman and Martian
Manhunter's bodies, and Sinestro and Gorilla

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Grodd in control of two of the hidden universal
forces, the invisible spectrum of light and

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the Still Force. the Legion seized the Totality,
though the Justice League stole it from them

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before it could be fully unlocked. After partnering
with the Batman Who Laughs, Lex Luthor learned

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more about the nature of the Totality, how it
was a prison for the being that created the

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DC Multiverse, Perpetua. After Black Manta gained
the Tear of Extinction and Cheetah the Void

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Wind, two more hidden

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kill the Greek god Poseidon and flood the planet,
allowing them to take back the totality. Feeling

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he achieved all that he desired and unwilling
to take further orders, Black Manta was booted

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from the Legion by Lex Luthor, along with the
Joker, who hated that Lex had sided with the

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Batman Who Laughs. With help from Professor
Ivo, Lex was able to recreate Brainiac, who

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replaced Manta and Joker on the team. After
unlocking the Black Apple and the Sixth Note,

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two more hidden forces, the Legion was able
to partially awake Perpetua, who helped Lex

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evolve into a human-slash-Martian hybrid known
as Apex Lex. As the battle between the Legion

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of Doom and the heroes of the multiverse raged
on, a sense of dread and faithlessness fell

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upon the multiverse, fully awakening Perpetua.

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entire universes in her dark image, the Legion
came to her for their rewards, at which point

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she turned Brainiac into her throne and siphoned
the hidden forces from the Legion members and

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imbued them into Lex, giving him the power to
reshape reality at a multiversal level. Perpetua

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seemingly erased the Justice League and later
depowered Lex after the Batman Who Laughs convinced

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her that he would serve as a better general.
If you've listened to our Batman Who Laughs

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vs. Cosmic Ghost Rider duel episode, you'll
know that this led to the Dark Knight's death

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metal storyline, where the Batman Who Laughs
betrayed and killed Perpetua, only to later

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be killed by a World Forge-empowered Wonder
Woman. Regardless, the Legion of Doom had been

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disbanded, though it may return someday soon.
For my seven-member team roster, due to the

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Legion of Doom's short career in the comics,
It is admittedly heavily inspired by the Super

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Friends cartoon. I'm choosing Lex Luthor, who
founded the Legion of Doom in the comics and

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was depicted as the team's leader even in the
Super Friends. I'm also going with Gorilla

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Grodd, who was not only in the cartoon, but
a robotic version of him was a member of the

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first Legion of Doom iteration in the comics.
The same goes for Brainiac, as a version of

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him was on the team led by Superboy Prime, so
he's of course on my roster. I'm also going

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with Sinestro, Cheetah, and Black Manta, who
were among Lexa's initial picks for the Legion,

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and again, were all in the cartoon. Though Joker
was also chosen in the comics, he later left

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the team and was never in the cartoon series,
and he was already on my Arkham Asylum team

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from a previous episode, so he's out. For my
final member, I've decided to go with Solomon

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Grundy. As he was in the cartoon- And because,
based on your roster that I know of, I thought

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he was the best match for Absorbing Man. So
to reiterate, my Legion of Doom team is Lex

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Luthor, Gorilla Grodd, Brainiac, Sinestro, Cheetah,
Black Manta, and Solomon Grundy, each of whom

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you can learn more about in their respective
Duel episodes. That was the most convoluted

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short backstory ever. I did not expect that.
What do you want from me? I had no idea that

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the Legion of Doom really had no presence in
the comics until fairly recently. Yeah, within

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the past six years, I guess. Why is that the
case? Like, why didn't DC capitalize on the

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popularity of that team from the Super Friends
cartoon? It's weird because they've made like

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a bunch of references to the Legion of Doom
and a lot of Elseworlds works. Like, you know,

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Kingdom Come, the Gulag that Mr. Miracle designed
was based off the Legion of Doom headquarters.

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They featured in a lot of television series
and stuff like that. just never in mainstream

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continuity in the comics, or at least never
a version that was like the one from the Super

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Friends cartoon, this counterpart to the Justice
League as it were. Yeah, you would think from

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like how often they're included, even in shows
like Harley Quinn, that they were just this

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like mainstay comic book entity, and it's so
bizarre that it's not the case. And like the

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story that they were in was convoluted as hell.
It's like you're talking about the black apple

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and the sixth note, and I'm like, what the hell
is this? Talking about apples now? I don't

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get it. Yeah, Scott Snyder, he kind of changed
everything about the fabric and nature of the

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DC universe. So makes sense. That whole storyline
was meant to tie into both Dark Knight's Metal

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and Dark Knight's Death Metal. It was like a
bridge between those two series. I have no

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idea what you're saying, but I will take your
word for it. Okay. I've only mentioned them

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several times on this podcast. You know I don't
listen to you. And I don't understand anything

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you're saying when it comes to the DC multiverse
and the metal or whatever. Now, this makes

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me think that The Legion of Doom is just one
big ripoff of The Masters of Evil, because

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The Masters of Evil have been around since the
1960s in Marvel, and we know that the challenge

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of the Super Friends cartoon wasn't around until
the 70s. So once again, DC ripping off Marvel,

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as always. I'm pretty sure that the first iteration
of The Masters of Evil was nothing like a premiere

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team of supervillains. They were probably like
C-list at best. Shows what you know. Let me

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go into their backstory. Now the Masters of
Evil is one of Marvel's longest running supervillain

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groups and one of its largest. They are often
regarded as the antithesis to the Avengers,

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where that team is considered Earth's mightiest
heroes, the Masters of Evil are Earth's mightiest

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villains. The group was initially gathered by
Baron Heinrich Zemo, a World War II adversary

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of Captain America, who thanks to his secret
formula Compound X, had ceased aging. Taking

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refuge in South America over the decades, Baron
Zemo eventually became aware of his nemesis

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resurgence. Captain America, previously presumed
dead, had been revived and joined the Avengers,

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a team you can explore further in our Justice
League vs Avengers duel. Intent on confronting

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his old enemy but unwilling to take on all the
Avengers single-handedly, Baron Zemo resolved

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to assemble his own team. He handpicked some
of the most formidable villains the heroes

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had ever faced. The initial lineup, of the Masters
of Evil included Baron Zemo himself, along

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with the Black Knight, the Meltr, and Radioactive
Man. Together, they unleashed Zemo's unbreakable

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Adhesive X chemical formula across New York
City. Despite their efforts, the Avengers saw

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assistance from the villain known as the Trapster,
an expert in adhesives, and used his antidote

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to thwart the Masters of Evil's plan. Baron
Zemo managed to evade capture by fleeing in

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his helicopter and undeterred- he persisted
in his mission by recruiting the formidable

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Asgardians known as the Enchantress and Scourge
to bolster his ranks. Together, they succeeded

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in manipulating Thor, turning him against his
fellow Avengers through enchantment. Unfortunately,

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Iron Man managed to break the spell and snap
his ally out of it. Subsequently, the villains

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were exiled to another dimension. However, their
exile proved temporary as the Enchantress employed

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her magical abilities to return them home. Baron
Zemo then focused on recruiting the failed

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businessman Simon Williams, who sought revenge
on Tony Stark. Subjecting Simon to ionic energy

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bombardment, Zemo transformed him into Wonder
Man. And for more information on him, refer

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to our Captain Adam vs. Wonder Man duel episode.
Zemo utilized Wonder Man to infiltrate the

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Avengers and betray the heroes. Despite this,
Wonder Man had a change of heart and sacrificed

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himself to aid in the defeat of the Masters
of Evil. After Baron Heinrich Zemo met his

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demise in a rock slide during a confrontation
with Captain America, the villainous team found

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themselves leaderless and temporarily disbanded.
However, a new incarnation of the team emerged

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under the leadership of the robotic villain
Ultron, who recruited some fresh faces including

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Whirlwind and Claw. Their scheme involved hypnotizing
Jarvis, the Avengers' butler, with the intention

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of using him to bring down the heroes. yet their
plans were thwarted once more due to betrayal

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from within their own ranks, the Black Knight,
who was secretly an ally of the Avengers. Though

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the Masters of Evil suffered defeat once again,
the resilience led to a prompt reformation.

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This time, they operated under the guidance
of the nefarious scientist and ant-man antagonist,

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Egghead. Their roster expanded to include Tiger
Shark, Scorpion, Moonstone, Shocker, and the

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Beetle. They concocted a scheme to frame and
disgrace Ant-Man, whom they captured with hopes

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of coercing him to join their ranks. However,
their plan backfired when the captured hero

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ingeniously constructed his own arsenal to combat
the villains. Egghead met his demise when his

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gun exploded, being struck by a well-aimed arrow
from Hawkeye. Once again, the Masters were

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disbanded. However, Heinrich Zemo's son, Helmut,
emerged onto the scene. Assuming his father's

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mantle as Baron Zemo, and assembling a new iteration
of the Masters of Evil. This revamped team

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included formidable villains such as the Absorbing
Man, Titania, Yellow Jacket, Mr. Hyde, and

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the Wrecking Crew which consisted of the Wrecker,
Piledriver, Thunderball, and Bulldozer. Although

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this group managed to temporarily overrun the
Avengers Mansion and scatter the heroes, the

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Avengers eventually regrouped and reclaimed
their headquarters, defeating the Masters once

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more. Yet driven by unwavering hatred, Baron
Zemo persistently reassembled his group, this

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time enlisting the likes of the Fixer, Screaming
Mimi, Beetle, Goliath, and Moonstone. However,

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at this juncture, most of Earth's heroes had
vanished following their confrontation with

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a malevolent psychic entity known as Onslaught,
a conflict detailed in our Chief vs. Professor

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X battle. This prompted Zemo to reconsider his
tactics, leading him to rebrand his Masters

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of Evil as... The Thunderbolts. While masquerading
as heroes, they harbored secret ambitions of

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world domination. However, the full details
of their backstory will be explored in another

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team duel. The Thunderbolts' eventual transformation
into genuine heroes sparked a bitter rivalry

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with the emergence of a new Masters of Evil.
Under the leadership of the villain known as

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the Crimson Cowl, this new group attempted to
coerce the Thunderbolts into joining their

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ranks or face annihilation. Despite repeated
attempts by their former allies, the Thunderbolts

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emerged victorious time and again. Eventually
though, the villain known as the Red Skull

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used his reality-warping cosmic cube to rewrite
history so that Captain America had always

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secretly been a member of the evil organization
Hydra. At that point, Baron Zemo forged an

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alliance with the Captain, persuading several
long-time Thunderbolts members to defect and

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join his new Masters of Evil. This newly formed
group served as the personal army of the evil

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Captain America, as together they seized control
of the United States. The Masters of Evil rose

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to engage in battle against a united coalition
of America's heroes, who fought fervently to

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reclaim their country. Eventually, the heroes
succeeded in restoring Captain America's true

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identity, defeating Hydra and the Masters of
Evil in the process. And that's their backstory.

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For the seven-person roster for this team duel,
I went with characters that spanned the broad

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history and multiple iterations of the Masters
of Evil over the years. Okay! I started with

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Baron Zemo, the Baron Helmet Zemo version whose
father started the Masters of Evil and who

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helmed multiple versions of the team on his
own. Secondly, I'm going with Ultron, who was

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the second iteration of the team's leader and
is a powerful Avengers villain. Next, I have

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some of the earliest members of the team, the
Iron Man villain Radioactive Man. and the Thor

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villain, Enchantress, taking up the third and
fourth slots due to their powerful energy and

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magic powers, respectively. My fifth member,
I will always associate with the Masters of

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Evil as the very first boss villain you face
in the Captain America and the Avengers arcade

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video game, and that's the Ant-Man villain,
Rolewind. Penultimately I have Black Panther's

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villain, Claw, on the team due to his powerful
sonic powers and nigh And rounding out the

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group is the Hulk villain, Absorbing Man, who
is the last member of this group to join the

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Masters of Evil, but has a great wild card power
that I think will make things interesting.

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So to reiterate, the 7 member Masters of Evil
team that we're going with in this duel is

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Baron Zemo, Ultron, Radioactive Man, Enchantress,
Whirlwind, Klawe, and Absorbing Man. And the

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Legion of Doom is going down, because they're
like, not even really a team in my opinion,

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at least compared to the Masters of Evil. Dude,
I mean... Maybe not in the comics, but like

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literally everywhere else they are. And it's
on. And also, like besides Ultron, I was right.

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Friggin C-list villains, bro. You are entirely
wrong. A lot of these villains have shown up

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in the movies like Baron Zemo was the main villain
of Civil War. You have Klaue, who was a villain

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00:43:29,659 --> 00:43:34,201
in the Black Panther movie, absorbing man, who
was the villain in the Hulk movie that we reviewed

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last week. Yeah, there's a lot of them. Okay,
so a few B-listers and the rest of them are

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C-listers. Right, because everybody knows who
Gorilla Grodd is, right? Yeah, dude. He was

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in the Super Friends. Okay.

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Now that we've got their histories and rosters
out of the way, let's speculate on how one

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of the simulated matches will go. The winning
team is determined by simulations, not this

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speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this
battle could play out. AG9K, what are the rules

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of our speculation? Well, I should say there
are no rules, other than the teams have no

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prior knowledge of the other going into the
fight. All they are aware of starting out is

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that the other side is a threat that needs to
be eliminated. For the speculation, the groups

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will begin approximately 50 meters apart in
a non-descript environment that will have no

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bearing on the match itself, as no environmental
statistics are considered in my simulations.

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The teams must earn victory on their own merit.
Alright then, let's get into it. The Legion

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of Doom and the Masters of Evil meet on the
battlefield. Who goes first? I feel like on

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my team, Cheetah would go first, and on your
team, Whirlwind would probably go first. So

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they're likely to clash. out the gate just head
on with cheetah just slashing off all of whirlwind's

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00:44:58,925 --> 00:45:03,989
armor no she would just bounce off of whirlwind
like his whole thing is that he spins with

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00:45:04,029 --> 00:45:09,373
such speed that the uh the centrifugal force
that he generates just repels any physical

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00:45:09,413 --> 00:45:15,118
attack that's made against him so cheetah she
tries to hit him but she just gets rocked back

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into her teammates and whirlwind is going to
follow up by unleashing a volley of buzz saws

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00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:25,934
at the Legion of Doom, just slicing them up
to bits. Yeah, except those buzz saws never

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reach the Legion because Sinestro goes on the
defensive and he puts up a yellow force field

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between the teams in the form of a castle wall,
which the Legion can use defensively like a

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fort. And then this yellow dragon construct
forms, just perched on the wall, and it's going

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to shoot this massive fireball at Ultron. Ultron,
that's not gonna do anything. Ultron's made

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out of adamantium. So he'll be fine, because
that's the most durable metal ever. But Sinestro

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making a castle wall is gonna play right into
Enchantress's strengths because she's as guardian.

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So she's just gonna magically conjure this army
of like dozens of Viking warriors who just

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storm this castle and slay the dragon with their
axes and spears. Nah, I mean they may kill

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00:46:13,573 --> 00:46:18,222
the dragon, but those... Vikings aren't getting
past the wall. Like they're gonna be too busy

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00:46:18,502 --> 00:46:23,784
getting freaking disintegrated by a swarm of
Brainiac's drones. And they're gonna bring

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down the Vikings with like cold calculated precision.
And then the drones are gonna mount themselves

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to the castle walls parapets and just rain down
lasers on the masters of evil outside the wall.

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Okay, well Klawe, he's gonna generate a catapult
construct made out of his sound wave powers.

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And that thing is just gonna launch radioactive
man over the castle wall Where he's gonna crash

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down right onto the Legion and explode like
a small nuclear bomb Just like tearing down

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00:46:55,986 --> 00:47:02,309
Sinestro's castle construct and destroying Brainiac's
drones But most importantly just obliterating

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the entire Legion team Forgefield But like from
Lex Luthor this time, he's gonna erect this

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energy dome from his battle suit around his
team So yeah, the drones and the wall are taken

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out, but not the Legion. And once that field
is down, Black Manta is immediately just going

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to unleash a massive energy beam from his helmet
that sweeps across the entire Masters of Evil

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team. Big deal, they could dodge it just by
ducking. What? Yeah, they duck the beam, except

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for absorbing man who gets hit by Black Manta's
beam, but he absorbs the energy and becomes

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like this shiny red being made out of lasers.
He's gonna swing his glowing ball and chain,

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and it's gonna unleash this energy wave right
at Gorilla Grodd, just knocking him back and

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00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:56,037
frying all the hair off his body. So now he's
just like this hairless ape. I mean, jokes

524
00:47:56,097 --> 00:48:02,123
on you. You know, Absorbing Man only thinks
Grodd was there, but in reality, Grodd invaded

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Absorbing Man's mind, and he's been mentally
probing the entire Masters of Evil team and

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00:48:08,108 --> 00:48:12,507
recognized that Absorbing Man was- probably
one of the few people on the Masters of Evil

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that he could mind control. So that's what he
did. Absorbing Man thinks he's knocked Grodd

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00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:27,133
back, but in actuality, he lasered Baron Zemo.
Okay, uh, well Zemo sees this energy wave coming

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at him and he like dives out of the way to avoid
being hit and he's probably freaking pissed

530
00:48:31,815 --> 00:48:36,137
at Absorbing Man for attacking the wrong guy
and Absorbing Man's like, huh? What just happened?

531
00:48:37,297 --> 00:48:44,411
At which point... Zemo unholsters one of his
guns and he sprays out his adhesive X Which

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00:48:44,611 --> 00:48:50,573
is like this sticky goo that creates this unbreakable
bond and that's just gonna cement Cheetah to

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the ground. So she can't run and she's stuck
on the ground Okay, so she'll be stuck for

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00:48:56,194 --> 00:49:02,016
now or at least like one of her legs is but
meanwhile Solomon Grundy, you know He spotted

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Ultron and he's gonna plow right into him just
ripping off those weird antenna ears on the

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sides of his head Adamantium, man. Like Ultron
is adamantium. So Solomon Grundy isn't breaking

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00:49:12,789 --> 00:49:19,015
shit. And Ultron's going to teach Grundy a lesson
by just trapping him in this graviton field

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00:49:19,055 --> 00:49:24,099
and slamming him repeatedly into the ground
and then launching him right into Lex Luthor,

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00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:31,446
knocking Lex over in his war suit onto the ground.
OK, so Lex Luthor, he gets up from the ground

540
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and he's going to plunge this device into Solomon
Grundy's torso. before he picks up Grundy and

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a tractor beam and trolls him at whirlwind.
And whirlwind is going to see Grundy coming

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00:49:44,279 --> 00:49:51,404
and probably slice him to pieces in this flurry
of blades. But inside Grundy was an acid bomb

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00:49:51,504 --> 00:49:58,368
that explodes onto whirlwind and just disintegrates
his armor. Does Lex Luthor have acid bombs?

544
00:49:58,909 --> 00:50:06,786
Dude, he's a scientist. He has all kinds of
like science stuff, like chemicals. OK. Well,

545
00:50:07,306 --> 00:50:12,089
yeah, Roland just completely scatters Grundy
across the battlefield like if Grundy just

546
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:17,992
got tossed into a blender, but Roland without
his armor is still dangerous. The armor just

547
00:50:18,012 --> 00:50:22,674
provides him protection. So Roland is going
to spin and whip up this small tornado that's

548
00:50:22,695 --> 00:50:27,177
going to lift up Black Manta into the air and
just hurl him like a half mile away from the

549
00:50:27,197 --> 00:50:32,620
battlefield. No, dude, Black Manta has a jetpack,
you know, so he could stop himself midair.

550
00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:39,763
So from the air, he's going an electrified harpoon
cable at whirlwind who's spinning so fast he

551
00:50:39,783 --> 00:50:45,524
doesn't realize the cable wraps around his neck
until it's too late and his brain is just fried

552
00:50:45,544 --> 00:50:51,426
from the electricity. So that, whirlwinds out.
Oh shit. Whirlwinds the first to be out in

553
00:50:51,446 --> 00:50:58,508
the match huh? Yup. Okay, uh, well Klaue, he
sees Gorilla Grodd and Klaue's familiar with

554
00:50:58,708 --> 00:51:04,149
African animals, you know, being an adversary
to Black Panther so he is gonna generate this

555
00:51:04,169 --> 00:51:09,941
like giant leopard construct that's gonna pounce
on Gorilla Grodd and just chew him to bits

556
00:51:10,242 --> 00:51:15,126
and Grodd can't do shit about it because You
know the construct doesn't have a mind for

557
00:51:15,326 --> 00:51:21,351
Grodd to attack. I mean, but Grodd does have
telekinesis You know and in the throes of being

558
00:51:21,391 --> 00:51:27,536
attacked He's just gonna emit a telekinetic
blast that's gonna disrupt the leopards like

559
00:51:27,696 --> 00:51:33,621
sound frequency and Just cause it to dissolve
at which point Grodd's gonna send a psychic

560
00:51:33,741 --> 00:51:40,092
surge of pain through Kla, disrupting his form
as well. But he's not really susceptible to

561
00:51:40,192 --> 00:51:45,996
psychic attack because he has no physical brain.
But either way, Grodd's attack doesn't even

562
00:51:46,176 --> 00:51:53,059
finish on Kla because in the middle of it, he's
stopped by a hand on his arm. It's the Enchantress's

563
00:51:53,099 --> 00:51:58,562
hand, and she's gonna bewitch this gorilla with
a spell that turns Grodd against his teammates

564
00:51:58,763 --> 00:52:05,002
and on the side of the Masters of Evil. And
Enchantress is gonna have Grodd provide their

565
00:52:05,022 --> 00:52:10,826
entire team with psychic shielding to protect
them from mental attacks from like Brainiac.

566
00:52:11,186 --> 00:52:15,870
So like once that mental shielding is in place,
she's just gonna magically turn Gorilla Grodd

567
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:20,673
into stone. So Grodd's out of this match and
Brainiac can't do anything telepathically to

568
00:52:20,693 --> 00:52:26,557
the Masters of Evil. Dude, I did not want Gorilla
Grodd to go out this soon. Okay, well, you

569
00:52:26,677 --> 00:52:32,201
know, meanwhile Sinestro's ring has scanned
Klaue's energy signature and deduced that he's

570
00:52:32,221 --> 00:52:41,056
made of sound. So Sinestro materializes an airtight
iron maiden around Klaue and just vacuums all

571
00:52:41,076 --> 00:52:48,218
of the air out, destroying Klaue's sound form.
So now he's eliminated. All right. So then

572
00:52:48,738 --> 00:52:54,639
Black Manta and Zemo square up and Black Manta
sees Baron Zemo's sword and he pulls out his

573
00:52:54,719 --> 00:53:01,281
long daggers and he's like, sword fight, me
and you, let's go. Cool. And Zemo, you know,

574
00:53:01,301 --> 00:53:06,367
he gets into his fencing stance. and those two
go at it like parrying and slashing and stuff,

575
00:53:06,407 --> 00:53:12,891
but Zemo using his energy gauntlets, he's gonna
punch out one of Black Manta's eye pieces in

576
00:53:12,931 --> 00:53:17,654
his big ass helmet, because you know, it's just
a giant target. And as Manta is taken back

577
00:53:17,694 --> 00:53:22,937
by that, Zemo is gonna stick his death ray gun
into Manta's helmet and just disintegrate Black

578
00:53:22,977 --> 00:53:29,100
Manta's head right off. Damn! So Black Manta's
out. Okay, well before Zemo can celebrate his

579
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:35,649
victory though, a disembodied... hand grabs
his ankle and he's like what? And while he's

580
00:53:35,689 --> 00:53:41,273
distracted by that another hand grabs him by
the opposite arm and just rips that thing right

581
00:53:41,373 --> 00:53:48,279
off. It's Solomon Grundy and his body has reconstituted
after being torn to pieces by whirlwind. So

582
00:53:48,399 --> 00:53:53,623
while Zemo's in shock that's when Solomon Grundy's
gonna punch his head clean right off of his

583
00:53:53,643 --> 00:53:59,248
shoulders. Geez I guess this is like super strong
Solomon Grundy now that he's reborn again.

584
00:53:59,688 --> 00:54:04,945
He's always strong. Well Absorbing Man, he sees
Ultron and he's like, you know, I could use

585
00:54:04,965 --> 00:54:11,010
some of that adamantium. So he runs over and
he's going to grab Ultron turning himself into

586
00:54:11,090 --> 00:54:16,895
adamantium. And Ultron's going to shrug him
off like, don't fucking touch me. But now you're

587
00:54:16,915 --> 00:54:21,459
all in big trouble. The absorbing man is going
to confront Sinestro, who's probably going

588
00:54:21,479 --> 00:54:26,163
to throw up some kind of like demon creature
construct or something like that. But absorbing

589
00:54:26,183 --> 00:54:31,427
man is going to use Ultron's techno forming
power. to transform his ball and chain into

590
00:54:31,467 --> 00:54:35,711
this like giant hammer, kind of like what he
used when he was the Breaker of Wills in the

591
00:54:35,731 --> 00:54:41,255
Fear Itself storyline. And he's gonna use this
giant hammer to just smash through Sinestro's

592
00:54:41,295 --> 00:54:47,360
constructs and then smash Sinestro's ring on
his hand. And before Sinestro can even like

593
00:54:47,380 --> 00:54:52,365
shit his pants, Absorbing Man just smashes his
head in with the adamantium hammer, and then

594
00:54:52,565 --> 00:54:58,642
Sinestro shits his pants, because he's dead.
Well, I'm confused. So, Absorbing Man- didn't

595
00:54:58,662 --> 00:55:05,184
just become adamantium, he absorbed some of
Ultron's tech into his body as well? Yeah,

596
00:55:05,244 --> 00:55:10,266
like he got his techno-forming power. He can
absorb powers as well as just the physical

597
00:55:10,306 --> 00:55:15,809
states. Okay, all right. Well, you know how
one of Cheetah's feet were glued to the ground?

598
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:22,211
By now, she's nodded that thing right off and
she's pissed. And the first person she sees

599
00:55:22,712 --> 00:55:27,946
is Enchantress, just giving Cheetah Wonder Woman
vibes. And so she attacks. moving on three

600
00:55:28,006 --> 00:55:33,247
legs, slashing before Enchantress can even like
react. She does, you know, zipped by two more

601
00:55:33,287 --> 00:55:39,289
times, taking out her hands and her throat.
So Enchantress is just slashed to death before

602
00:55:39,329 --> 00:55:45,791
she could even really react. So Enchantress
is out. Um, meanwhile, I'm going to say Radioactive

603
00:55:45,831 --> 00:55:53,333
Man, uh, sees friggin' Solomon Grundy lumbering
about and he thinks he's gross. And he figures

604
00:55:53,373 --> 00:55:59,126
that the monster can't grow back if there's
nothing left to row. So basically, Radioactive

605
00:55:59,146 --> 00:56:03,568
Man just incinerates the guy. He burns every
bit of Solomon Grundy's organic tissue until

606
00:56:03,688 --> 00:56:09,671
there's nothing left but the stank. And guess
what? It must be Saturday. Well, it's Sunday.

607
00:56:10,231 --> 00:56:16,894
Except Solomon Grundy's dead, so it's Saturday.
Okay. And meanwhile, Cheetah tries to attack

608
00:56:16,994 --> 00:56:21,576
Ultron, but like, she's not gonna do anything
to him. She's not scratching him. And Ultron

609
00:56:21,616 --> 00:56:26,451
is gonna use his encephalo ray on her. which
is gonna hypnotize her into just like staying

610
00:56:26,531 --> 00:56:32,276
still for once, at which point he just energy
blasts her to pieces. So Cheetah's out. Wait,

611
00:56:32,416 --> 00:56:40,343
so who's left? Brainiac and Lex Luthor, you
have Ultron, Radioactive Man, and Absorbing

612
00:56:40,383 --> 00:56:47,229
Man? Yeah. Okay, so Absorbing Man, he's part
tech now. That's cool, because once Brainiac

613
00:56:47,289 --> 00:56:53,835
realized that, he sent out a swarm of microscopic
nanites that invaded... Absorbing man's body

614
00:56:54,115 --> 00:57:00,119
allowing brainiac to take it over and once he's
fully in control He's gonna abandon his old

615
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:06,824
body and just transmit his consciousness into
absorbing man. So now he has his power and

616
00:57:07,145 --> 00:57:11,968
absorbing that himself is out of the match like
his mind is gone and Brainiac is gonna techno

617
00:57:11,988 --> 00:57:18,153
morph his new body to resemble like an adamantium
robot skeleton and he's just gonna straight-up

618
00:57:18,333 --> 00:57:24,133
march right toward Radioactive Man, tanking
all of his blasts since radiation can't do

619
00:57:24,173 --> 00:57:31,479
much to adamantium, and Brainiac's gonna technomorph
his ball and chain into a robotic tentacle,

620
00:57:31,979 --> 00:57:37,183
and he's gonna send that out to grasp Radioactive
Man and just crush him, snapping his spine

621
00:57:37,203 --> 00:57:43,547
and taking him out. Okay, I mean, like, if Brainiac
has taken over Absorbing Man, like, he's not

622
00:57:43,607 --> 00:57:50,231
just this adamantium robot now. He's also...
a guy who can absorb anything he touches, right?

623
00:57:50,651 --> 00:57:55,753
But like, if the comics have taught us anything,
absorbing man's power is not stable, you know,

624
00:57:55,813 --> 00:58:00,735
it's volatile and requires a lot of experience
so that he doesn't accidentally absorb the

625
00:58:00,775 --> 00:58:06,378
wrong properties of something. And Brainiac
doesn't know this, but Ultron does. He knows

626
00:58:06,418 --> 00:58:13,260
absorbing man's powers. So Ultron's gonna technomorph
his body to like pull moisture out of the air,

627
00:58:13,541 --> 00:58:18,351
like refrigeration technology, kinda. and the
moisture is gonna condense into water vapor

628
00:58:18,811 --> 00:58:23,955
and Ultron's gonna throw this water on Brainiac,
just dousing him, and that's gonna cause Brainiac

629
00:58:23,975 --> 00:58:29,258
to instantly turn into a puddle and disperse
into the ground. Science. That was dumb. Ha

630
00:58:29,278 --> 00:58:36,383
ha ha. That was, well, where else is Ultron
gonna get water from? I'm sure there's blood

631
00:58:36,423 --> 00:58:41,258
on the battlefield, I don't know. Okay, sure,
yeah, that's better. Ultron picks up some severed

632
00:58:41,298 --> 00:58:45,620
limb from the battleground and then like throws
some blood at Brainiac. But either way, Brainiac

633
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:51,502
turns into a puddle and is no longer in the
match. Okay, so just Lex Luthor and Ultron

634
00:58:51,542 --> 00:58:59,065
are left. Boom. EMP blast. Ultron is finished
by Lex Luthor. That was easy! You think it

635
00:58:59,085 --> 00:59:04,267
would be that easy, but when Lex Luthor tries
to shut down Ultron, little did Lex know that

636
00:59:04,327 --> 00:59:11,474
his armor was already taken over by an Ultron
Technovirus. Little did Ultron know that Lex

637
00:59:11,614 --> 00:59:18,217
recognized the Ultron virus ages ago, quarantined
it, and has been wirelessly transmitting false

638
00:59:18,257 --> 00:59:23,719
data to Ultron to make him think his virus was
working when it really wasn't. Well little

639
00:59:23,739 --> 00:59:30,182
did Lex know that Ultron assumed he would attempt
some kind of failsafe against his tech virus,

640
00:59:30,542 --> 00:59:35,884
so he programmed it to make Lex's systems think
that the virus had been quarantined but in

641
00:59:35,964 --> 00:59:45,764
fact it was not. that Lex had installed the
newly upgraded Norton Antivirus Plus, now available

642
00:59:45,865 --> 00:59:53,528
to download at norton.com. I mean, little did
Lex know that McAfee is the only tried and

643
00:59:53,568 --> 01:00:01,652
true antivirus software, which you can now get
for 10% off using the code DULACHECKOUT. Not

644
01:00:01,752 --> 01:00:07,143
really, guys. Do not try to do that. Yeah. But
yeah, we could probably leave the match there.

645
01:00:07,243 --> 01:00:14,449
So either Lex Luthor discharges an EMP that
shuts down Ultron, or Ultron uploads a techno

646
01:00:14,489 --> 01:00:19,333
virus that takes over Lex Luthor's suit, shuts
it down, and then just blows up Lex Luthor.

647
01:00:19,653 --> 01:00:23,957
Sure, yeah, let's go with that. Let's find out
which one of these scenarios happens by running

648
01:00:23,997 --> 01:00:30,763
the simulations for this team battle and coming
back with the winning team. 8G9K, hit it! Inputting

649
01:00:30,803 --> 01:00:37,527
data. Running calculations. Processing results.
Simulations complete. Alright, that was a pretty

650
01:00:37,727 --> 01:00:42,230
good matchup. I had a lot of fun with that speculation.
Please do not try to download any antivirus

651
01:00:42,270 --> 01:00:47,913
software using Code Duel at checkout because
it will not work. The results of the simulations

652
01:00:47,953 --> 01:00:52,936
were pretty interesting. There's a huge disparity
between the power levels of a lot of these

653
01:00:52,976 --> 01:00:59,420
characters for both of our teams. My weakest
guy was Whirlwind and his stats were way different

654
01:00:59,580 --> 01:01:05,492
from my most powerful guy who was Ultron. Yeah,
comparatively, my weakest guy was Solomon Grundy,

655
01:01:05,532 --> 01:01:12,637
who was by far the weakest member of either
team, though Brainiac was the strongest member

656
01:01:12,797 --> 01:01:18,621
of either team. So I had both the weakest and
the strongest guys. Yeah, Solomon Grundy is

657
01:01:18,761 --> 01:01:23,984
not impressive statistically, like at all. Poor
guy. But like Brainiac is so overpowered, he

658
01:01:24,024 --> 01:01:29,608
almost has no business being in this match.
Which I love. So you kind of have that going

659
01:01:29,648 --> 01:01:35,852
for and against you. A lot of your guys actually
had winning records against the Masters of

660
01:01:35,932 --> 01:01:41,595
Evil, including Lex Luther, Brainiac, Gorilla
Grodd won a majority of his matches, so did

661
01:01:41,775 --> 01:01:47,178
Sinestro, which is quite impressive. The only
guys on my team that had winning records were

662
01:01:47,458 --> 01:01:53,802
Ultron, Enchantress, and Klawe. The rest of
them won around a quarter to a third of their

663
01:01:53,822 --> 01:01:59,225
matches. Freakin' Solomon Grundy though only
won 8% out of all of his battles, his thousands

664
01:01:59,245 --> 01:02:04,982
of battles. Yeah, that threw my average off
big time. The lowest guy for you was what,

665
01:02:05,022 --> 01:02:10,987
22% win rate? Yeah, Roland won about a quarter
of his matches. So averaging it all out and

666
01:02:11,027 --> 01:02:15,431
considering all the stats, who do you think
is going to win this match? Oh, it's got to

667
01:02:15,451 --> 01:02:24,158
be the Legion of Doom. And Instagram wholeheartedly
agrees with me. 74% of our Instagram poll takers

668
01:02:24,318 --> 01:02:28,381
said that the Legion was going to win. And that's
why I'm going to say that poll is full of crap.

669
01:02:28,822 --> 01:02:34,786
But let's go ahead and get the real results.
AG9K, the results please. Hey, Yuasa. All right,

670
01:02:34,827 --> 01:02:44,254
the winner in the team duel between the Legion
of Doom and the Masters of Evil is the Masters

671
01:02:44,294 --> 01:02:51,620
of Evil. The what? The Legion of Doom. Wait,
wait, wait. I tried to fake you out right there,

672
01:02:51,681 --> 01:02:58,003
but no, I couldn't do it. The Legion of Doom
won, and it wasn't that close. They won 56.9%

673
01:02:58,943 --> 01:03:06,265
of the time over the Masters of Evil, 43.1%.
So averaging out to 1000 simulated battles,

674
01:03:06,765 --> 01:03:13,447
Legion of Doom won 569, and Masters of Evil
won 431. Yeah, that's a pretty solid win percentage

675
01:03:13,547 --> 01:03:20,509
for Team DC here. Just goes to show that quantity
of years of comic book history does not equate

676
01:03:20,569 --> 01:03:28,555
to quality on the battlefield. This is bullshit.
It's so lame losing to a team that's like barely

677
01:03:28,595 --> 01:03:32,456
even a fucking team. They were invented in the
cartoon and then they like made one appearance

678
01:03:32,476 --> 01:03:38,418
in the comics. They're a real team in our hearts,
Joseph. In our hearts. That's what counts.

679
01:03:38,978 --> 01:03:44,999
That's stupid. You're stupid. Clearly for choosing
the losing team. Your face is stupid. Your

680
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:52,141
face looks like my face, which also makes your
face stupid. Damn it! Just quit while you're

681
01:03:52,161 --> 01:03:56,287
behind. That does it for this team duel. Let
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682
01:03:56,327 --> 01:04:03,832
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683
01:04:03,872 --> 01:04:08,835
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684
01:04:08,875 --> 01:04:12,577
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Our next episode is going to be a review for

689
01:04:33,216 --> 01:04:38,361
a movie that ties into this duel. We're going
to review Justice League Doom, which is an

690
01:04:38,501 --> 01:04:44,386
animated DC film that incorporates the Legion
of Doom as the villains. It's a great animated

691
01:04:44,426 --> 01:04:49,402
film from DC. If you guys haven't seen it, definitely
check it out before next week. But that does

692
01:04:49,422 --> 01:04:54,146
it for this episode, we want to give a big thanks
to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John

693
01:04:54,166 --> 01:04:59,231
Swarovski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Miggy
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694
01:04:59,351 --> 01:05:05,496
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695
01:05:05,596 --> 01:05:10,641
Dean Molesky for helping make this podcast possible.
And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up

696
01:05:10,661 --> 01:05:15,024
and away, true believers. My supervillain team
is called the masters of debaters.