1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,142 --> 00:00:27,983 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,103 --> 00:00:32,805 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based 4 00:00:32,885 --> 00:00:38,968 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode, 5 00:00:39,028 --> 00:00:45,830 we're going to find out who'd win in a fight between the Sorcerer characters Eclipso versus 6 00:00:46,111 --> 00:00:51,653 Malekith. Now why are we doing Eclipso this episode? Because yesterday was an eclipse. 7 00:00:51,853 --> 00:00:55,883 That is correct. And really there's no other reason to it. These are great characters though. 8 00:00:56,143 --> 00:01:00,185 Malekith is a Thor villain, and actually he was the villain in the Thor the Dark World 9 00:01:00,205 --> 00:01:08,110 movie. And Eclipso, I believe, is a JSA villain. Oh, he's like JSA, Spectre, but also recently 10 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:12,913 an Amethyst villain. Amethyst, interesting. Yeah. Well, it should be a magical good time 11 00:01:12,953 --> 00:01:16,855 later on this episode as we input the character stats, run simulations, and find out who'll 12 00:01:16,875 --> 00:01:20,397 win. Before we get into that, we're gonna break down the latest Comic Quick movie news that 13 00:01:20,417 --> 00:01:24,695 came out this past week. of which there was just one news item and that is that the Fantastic 14 00:01:24,735 --> 00:01:29,979 Four film has cast Julia Garner as the Silver Surfer. As always we list our segment times 15 00:01:29,999 --> 00:01:33,861 in our episode description so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead 16 00:01:34,141 --> 00:01:39,365 to a particular topic. 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And on the Console Combat podcast, 36 00:03:21,065 --> 00:03:24,947 host John and Dean find out who would win in fights between popular video game characters. 37 00:03:25,027 --> 00:03:30,129 In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win in a fight between Scott Pilgrim and Toon 38 00:03:30,189 --> 00:03:34,355 Link. Want to give a big shout out to all three of those shows? I think we had a fantastic 39 00:03:34,475 --> 00:03:38,937 crossover event for April Fools where collectively we found out who would win in a fight between 40 00:03:39,017 --> 00:03:43,859 Godzilla and Ultraman. Super proud of those guys. Be sure to check out their shows. Visit 41 00:03:43,899 --> 00:03:49,281 dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in 42 00:03:49,301 --> 00:03:56,864 the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. A no 43 00:03:56,904 --> 00:04:01,834 prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the dynamic duel no prize, 44 00:04:02,114 --> 00:04:06,956 is a digital award we pushed on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer 45 00:04:07,016 --> 00:04:15,178 to our question of the week. Last week we asked, what is your favorite anime and why? Um, we 46 00:04:15,218 --> 00:04:20,539 did not get a lot of answers for this one. Yeah, in fact, we got only one answer from Travis 47 00:04:20,579 --> 00:04:26,041 Herndon. So I just want to give a slow clap for our listeners. Yep. And listen to him as 48 00:04:26,061 --> 00:04:31,642 Travis Herndon. This clap is for you. And if your name is Travis Herndon, it's also for 49 00:04:31,662 --> 00:04:38,426 you, but it's meant non-sarcastically. So let's go ahead and hear his answer. He said, What's 50 00:04:38,466 --> 00:04:43,348 up, dynamic dudes? Travis here. So my favorite series would have to be Berserk. If I had to 51 00:04:43,368 --> 00:04:50,271 describe Berserk to you, I would think of it as sort of Game of Thrones meets Dark Souls. 52 00:04:50,611 --> 00:04:55,753 Just the fact that it's dark, it's gritty, the characters are real, the main characters is 53 00:04:55,813 --> 00:05:01,173 tragic. person that like overcomes like great hardships and everything. If you're a fan of 54 00:05:01,193 --> 00:05:07,018 dark fantasy, I would definitely recommend Berserk to you. So I've never seen Berserk, but I have 55 00:05:07,078 --> 00:05:11,841 learned about it through the Syndrome World podcast and it seems like a pretty dope show. 56 00:05:12,154 --> 00:05:17,217 Yeah, the backstory to the main character Guts seems pretty intense and crazy, but it looks 57 00:05:17,257 --> 00:05:22,199 like an epic show for sure. Zach on Send Your World did do a Duel episode with the character 58 00:05:22,239 --> 00:05:25,661 of Guts. So if you want to learn more about Berserk, I would recommend listening to his 59 00:05:25,701 --> 00:05:29,964 episode and also watching the anime. Congrats to Travis for winning this week's No Prize. 60 00:05:30,284 --> 00:05:34,166 If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode 61 00:05:34,186 --> 00:05:39,009 when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that that's done, on to the news! 62 00:05:44,674 --> 00:05:50,518 Alright, this past week we found out that the Fantastic Four film has cast the Silver Surfer 63 00:05:50,578 --> 00:05:56,503 in the movie. The character will be played by Julia Garner, who is a three-time Emmy winner, 64 00:05:56,643 --> 00:06:02,308 who won for her role in the Netflix series Ozark, and she also got a nomination for Inventing 65 00:06:02,468 --> 00:06:06,171 Anna. I've never seen any of those shows. I've heard Ozark is fantastic. I really don't know 66 00:06:06,291 --> 00:06:11,415 anything about Julia Garner, but according to a sizzle reel I saw on YouTube, she's actually 67 00:06:11,435 --> 00:06:17,296 quite talented. The big news here is though that You know, Julia Garner is not a dude and 68 00:06:17,436 --> 00:06:23,842 Silver Surfer is a dude. So what the heck is going on? So I keep seeing posts online like 69 00:06:24,002 --> 00:06:29,987 apologists were like, guys, it's not the Noren Rad version of the character. It's the shallow 70 00:06:30,007 --> 00:06:35,932 ball version of the character. Right. Yeah. Shala Ball is Noren Rad's love interest back 71 00:06:35,992 --> 00:06:41,997 on Zen Law when he was living on that planet prior to his servitude as a herald of Galactus. 72 00:06:42,242 --> 00:06:47,064 The only time Shalabal has ever been the Silver Surfer was in an alternate future timeline 73 00:06:47,124 --> 00:06:51,365 in the Earth X-Books, which is actually my favorite story. In that universe, the real Galactus 74 00:06:51,406 --> 00:06:57,348 died and Silver Surfer, finding himself without purpose, turned his former lover Shalabal into 75 00:06:57,788 --> 00:07:01,450 a Silver Surfer and they soared the spaceways together. There's not a whole lot of precedent 76 00:07:01,490 --> 00:07:07,192 for Shalabal being the Silver Surfer. And my initial reaction to this news was pure rage, 77 00:07:07,713 --> 00:07:13,072 I will say. I was pretty upset. you know, Julia Garner's acting skills notwithstanding, because 78 00:07:13,112 --> 00:07:18,357 I do have faith that she will turn in a stellar performance regardless of the character's gender. 79 00:07:18,817 --> 00:07:23,582 But I went on to Reddit to see what everybody else was saying about it, and somebody brought 80 00:07:23,602 --> 00:07:28,666 up a great point. So it's well established that the Fantastic Four film is largely going to 81 00:07:28,706 --> 00:07:34,892 take place in another universe within the multiverse. And further evidence of this fact was on display 82 00:07:35,252 --> 00:07:41,392 on the April 4th. poster that Marvel Studios released saying, Happy 4-4 Day. In the background 83 00:07:41,432 --> 00:07:48,236 of that poster, we see this very futuristic non-Earth city, basically. So if the Fantastic 84 00:07:48,256 --> 00:07:53,199 Four are spending the movie in an alternate universe, it's highly likely that this will 85 00:07:53,219 --> 00:07:58,142 be an alternate universe version of Silver Surfer, where instead of Norrin Radd sacrificing himself, 86 00:07:58,562 --> 00:08:03,685 it was Shala Ball who did it. And while I would always prefer to see Norrin Radd as the character, 87 00:08:03,926 --> 00:08:08,347 The reason I'm coming to terms with this news a little bit better is because I don't think 88 00:08:08,747 --> 00:08:12,388 when we finally do get introduced to Norrin Radd as the Silver Surfer, we're going to want 89 00:08:12,448 --> 00:08:17,109 a rehash of what's happening in this alternate universe. It makes sense for things to be different 90 00:08:17,269 --> 00:08:21,230 if the Fantastic Four movie is not in the main timeline. I don't want to see Silver Surfer 91 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:25,972 here and then see that story just redone again in the 616 timeline. Well, you're assuming 92 00:08:25,992 --> 00:08:30,513 that we're going to get an origin story for the Silver Surfer in the Fantastic Four movie. 93 00:08:30,553 --> 00:08:35,531 Um, even if we don't. I think they're trying to stick with an alternate cast of characters 94 00:08:35,551 --> 00:08:39,532 for this alternate dimension. That way things don't feel rehashed when they finally come 95 00:08:39,652 --> 00:08:45,155 to the main earth. You know when I first heard the news, I was just laughing my ass off. Not 96 00:08:45,215 --> 00:08:49,977 only at the casting choice, but also in seeing Marvel fanboys trying to justify the choice. 97 00:08:50,437 --> 00:08:54,459 But I do think that the justification is there. Who the hell cares if this is an alternate 98 00:08:54,499 --> 00:08:59,201 world? It's an alternate universe, Silver Surfer. They don't want to do the rehash. You don't 99 00:08:59,241 --> 00:09:04,376 have to rehash it! Only tell it once! If you see the Silver Surfer's origin story in this 100 00:09:04,416 --> 00:09:08,919 Fantastic Four movie, and it was Noren Rad, and then they come to the main timeline, and 101 00:09:08,939 --> 00:09:14,264 then you have a new Silver Surfer who's being introduced to the team all over again. No! 102 00:09:14,444 --> 00:09:18,447 Have him be the same Silver Surfer and have him be upset that he can never make it back 103 00:09:18,487 --> 00:09:23,231 to his home world and the other universe. It's that fucking simple. You haven't seen the script. 104 00:09:23,791 --> 00:09:27,114 I don't need to see- why would I need to see the script? Maybe wait to judge until you see 105 00:09:27,134 --> 00:09:32,999 the movie. Yeah, you don't know how it's gonna go. It may make perfect sense. Or it didn't 106 00:09:33,019 --> 00:09:36,762 need to be done in the first place. Well, I haven't seen the script, so I wouldn't know. 107 00:09:37,262 --> 00:09:44,869 Oh my gosh. It doesn't matter how good the script is. What matters is that Norin Rad is the Silver 108 00:09:44,929 --> 00:09:49,613 Surfer, and they're changing it. It doesn't matter how good that reason is for why they 109 00:09:49,653 --> 00:09:53,816 changed it. Yeah, Norin Rad is the Silver Surfer in the primary Marvel universe. They go into 110 00:09:53,836 --> 00:09:57,239 another dimension in the movie. How do you know that? How do you know they just don't start 111 00:09:57,339 --> 00:10:04,235 off in an alternate dimension and then make their way to the 616. The source was a scooper, 112 00:10:04,535 --> 00:10:09,737 Daniel RPK, who's had legit scoops in the past. And it's highly suspected that's the reason 113 00:10:09,777 --> 00:10:14,439 they've been out of the MCU this whole time. Still not a good enough reason to me. They 114 00:10:14,459 --> 00:10:18,841 could have gone to another dimension where they found the Silver Surfer, who was Nora and Rad, 115 00:10:19,081 --> 00:10:23,803 who eventually could have come back with them into the 616. Or they could go into an alternate 116 00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:28,805 dimension where they see alternate versions of familiar characters that they will be encountering 117 00:10:28,945 --> 00:10:34,131 in the 616 universe. That works too. That's dumb. I guess. I don't know. I'll have to wait 118 00:10:34,151 --> 00:10:38,492 and see. I'm not going to judge until I see it. I guess I'm the true Marvel fan here, guys. 119 00:10:38,792 --> 00:10:42,754 Joseph has given up on Marvel. He's just like accepting everything they throw at him and 120 00:10:42,814 --> 00:10:47,535 not being passionate about Marvel at all. I'll be mad for him. I'll accept changes made to 121 00:10:47,555 --> 00:10:51,857 an alternate universe for sure. So we'll go ahead and move past this topic and move on 122 00:10:51,877 --> 00:10:52,897 to our question of the week. 123 00:10:57,410 --> 00:11:02,173 What would be your favorite out of left field casting choice for an alternate universe Marvel 124 00:11:02,253 --> 00:11:07,217 or DC character? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in 125 00:11:07,257 --> 00:11:10,960 the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. 126 00:11:11,340 --> 00:11:15,083 Your message can be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we 127 00:11:15,103 --> 00:11:19,686 include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person the Dynamic Duel 128 00:11:19,726 --> 00:11:24,189 No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before April 13th. 129 00:11:31,758 --> 00:11:34,743 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode. So let's go ahead and move on 130 00:11:34,783 --> 00:11:40,534 to the main event where we find out who'd win in a fight between the sorcerers of Eclipso 131 00:11:40,995 --> 00:11:42,157 and Malachit. 132 00:11:57,162 --> 00:12:03,464 Alright, Eclipso vs Malekith. This is a sorcerer duel that we're getting into in homage to the 133 00:12:03,564 --> 00:12:08,406 eclipse that happened yesterday. We'd actually been thinking about doing this duel for a while. 134 00:12:08,746 --> 00:12:14,288 It was thought up by one of our executive producers. I can't remember which one offhand. Brandon 135 00:12:14,328 --> 00:12:17,530 Essergard. That's right. And once I heard it, I thought it was going to be a really cool 136 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:22,052 matchup. We haven't reviewed Throw the Dark World. It's one of the MCU films that we have 137 00:12:22,112 --> 00:12:27,782 not talked about yet. Of course, Malekith is the primary antagonist in that film. So people 138 00:12:27,802 --> 00:12:32,085 are pretty familiar with him. But I also think people are somewhat familiar with Eclipso as 139 00:12:32,145 --> 00:12:38,089 well. He is a pretty powerful villain in DC Comics. He hasn't been in any movies, but he 140 00:12:38,149 --> 00:12:43,733 was the primary villain of Stargirl Season Two, if anyone's seen that. The version of Malekith 141 00:12:43,753 --> 00:12:49,577 that was in Thor the Dark World is not really akin to his comic book counterpart. The backstory 142 00:12:49,597 --> 00:12:53,439 to Malekith is actually quite interesting, so I can't wait to get into it. But to explain 143 00:12:53,479 --> 00:12:57,714 the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator. Alfred Jarvis 144 00:12:57,774 --> 00:13:02,916 9000. AJ and Ike tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our Duel matchups. 145 00:13:03,796 --> 00:13:08,098 Yes, of course sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 146 00:13:08,579 --> 00:13:14,261 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic 147 00:13:14,301 --> 00:13:19,843 model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics 148 00:13:19,883 --> 00:13:24,545 along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 149 00:13:24,962 --> 00:13:29,726 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters' 150 00:13:29,766 --> 00:13:34,930 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 151 00:13:34,970 --> 00:13:40,375 potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 152 00:13:40,876 --> 00:13:45,680 The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 153 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:50,184 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability 154 00:13:50,204 --> 00:13:56,021 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 155 00:13:56,521 --> 00:14:01,005 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 156 00:14:01,045 --> 00:14:04,928 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 157 00:14:04,948 --> 00:14:10,513 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 158 00:14:10,553 --> 00:14:16,277 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 159 00:14:16,338 --> 00:14:20,521 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we'd like to break down each character's histories 160 00:14:20,541 --> 00:14:25,347 and abilities. before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 161 00:14:25,387 --> 00:14:29,469 would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel character, 162 00:14:29,489 --> 00:14:34,671 so let me go ahead and tell you all about Malekith the Accursed. Malekith the Dark Elf was born 163 00:14:34,731 --> 00:14:40,713 in the realm of Svartalheim, the 13th son of a 13th son, whose father and brothers were 164 00:14:40,793 --> 00:14:46,576 slain as soldiers in a war with the rock trolls. Malekith's mother promised her only remaining 165 00:14:46,616 --> 00:14:51,678 child that he would not have to die as a soldier, and she sold him into slavery. where he would 166 00:14:51,718 --> 00:14:57,499 work in turmoil as a corpse burner for a group of Undertakers. After years of disposing bodies 167 00:14:57,539 --> 00:15:02,561 from the war's battlefields, young Malekith was captured by the Rock Trolls who imprisoned 168 00:15:02,601 --> 00:15:08,382 him. One of his fellow prisoners was an old Dark Elf wizard, who used magic to help the 169 00:15:08,422 --> 00:15:13,384 two escape the Trolls, and Malekith became the Sorcerer's apprentice. He trained in magic 170 00:15:13,484 --> 00:15:18,325 over the years, and was noted by the old wizard as one of the most gifted spellcasters he'd 171 00:15:18,365 --> 00:15:24,280 ever seen. perhaps strong enough to end the war. In response to his mentor's request to 172 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:30,622 unite the Dark Elf clan and bring about peace, Malekith stabbed the wizard repeatedly, telling 173 00:15:30,662 --> 00:15:36,065 him that the Elf's strength is forged from the tragedies of war. The old sorcerer, with his 174 00:15:36,105 --> 00:15:41,707 dying act, cast a curse on Malekith's face, marking half of it in black for the rest of 175 00:15:41,747 --> 00:15:47,854 his days. Returning to his childhood home, Malekith fed his mom to her pack of hunting dogs. claiming 176 00:15:47,894 --> 00:15:52,997 his clan's title as the Lord of the Wild Hunt and going on to become the King of the Dark 177 00:15:53,117 --> 00:15:58,320 Elves due to the fear he instilled in his people. For his frequent acts of war and aggression, 178 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,483 Odin, the Allfather of the Nine Realms banished Malekith to Limbo, where he remained for centuries. 179 00:16:05,044 --> 00:16:10,046 However, in the present day, the Dark Elf King struck an alliance with Loki, the Norse god 180 00:16:10,066 --> 00:16:14,829 of mischief and brother to the mighty hero Thor. You can learn more about Loki in his duel against 181 00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:19,947 Ares. and more about Thor in his duel against Wonder Woman. Escaping to Limbo with Loki's 182 00:16:19,967 --> 00:16:24,648 help, Malekith made his way to Earth, where a powerful artifact known as the Casket of 183 00:16:24,768 --> 00:16:30,050 Ancient Winters was being hidden. Malekith unearthed the casket, and though Thor was able to defeat 184 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:35,672 him, the Dark Elf managed to shatter the artifact. This unleashed massive blizzards across the 185 00:16:35,712 --> 00:16:40,853 world, which the Avengers had to contend with as Thor imprisoned Malekith back on Asgard. 186 00:16:41,366 --> 00:16:46,690 Previously, Malekith forced the strongest dark elf in his army, Algrim the Strong, to don 187 00:16:46,730 --> 00:16:51,634 a powerful armor that would make him virtually indestructible, and Algrim became a cursed 188 00:16:51,674 --> 00:16:58,259 warrior known as Curse. Seeking revenge against Malekith for how he was treated, Curse infiltrated 189 00:16:58,359 --> 00:17:03,183 Asgard to seek him out in prison. However, Malekith had escaped Asgard's prison by taking on the 190 00:17:03,223 --> 00:17:07,987 form of Thor's friend named Baldr the Brave, who at the time was about to be crowned the 191 00:17:08,027 --> 00:17:13,323 Lord of Asgard when Thor denied the role. Kursk saw through Malekith's disguise though and 192 00:17:13,363 --> 00:17:18,066 seemingly killed his former leader. Years later, it all turned out to be a ruse for Malekith's 193 00:17:18,126 --> 00:17:23,470 escape when the dark elf was discovered to be alive. Malekith would later go on to use Kursk's 194 00:17:23,530 --> 00:17:29,294 hatred for him to achieve his own ends when he cast a spell that made Thor appear as Malekith, 195 00:17:29,694 --> 00:17:34,858 inciting Kursk to recruit a band of mythical monsters to go up against the Thunder God. 196 00:17:35,298 --> 00:17:41,106 In the end, Thor won out with the help of his friends Sif, Heimdall, Volstag, and the Pogon, 197 00:17:41,566 --> 00:17:47,248 Fandral, and Beta Ray Bill. Malekith even manipulated Hela, the goddess of death, into the fray, 198 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:52,371 but she was able to clear Chris's mind to break Malekith's spell, and she took Malekith with 199 00:17:52,411 --> 00:17:58,113 her back to her domain of hell. He later escaped and stole the casket of Ancient Winters, which 200 00:17:58,133 --> 00:18:03,795 had been reforged. Malekith used it to summon a demon made of ice to seek out Asgardian blood, 201 00:18:04,216 --> 00:18:08,337 then froze the golden city of Asgard with a coldness that spread even into the realm of 202 00:18:08,377 --> 00:18:13,191 hell. As Malekith attacked Odin, who at the time was resting in the Odin's sleep, Thor 203 00:18:13,211 --> 00:18:17,932 was able to successfully defend his father after obtaining an artifact from Odin's vault called 204 00:18:18,032 --> 00:18:24,234 the Gem of Infinite Suns. With it, Thor defeated Malekith and the Ice Demon and returned the 205 00:18:24,254 --> 00:18:29,495 coldness back into the casket, which he then sealed closed. Malekith later set out to conquer 206 00:18:29,555 --> 00:18:34,217 all the realms by amassing his Dark Elf army, allying with the Frost Giants, and killing 207 00:18:34,357 --> 00:18:39,367 anyone who didn't pledge their allegiance to him. This forced Thor to assemble a League 208 00:18:39,407 --> 00:18:44,711 of Realms, uniting warriors from every land to stop Malekith's army. This included Sir 209 00:18:44,851 --> 00:18:51,475 Ivory Hunnyshot of the Light Elves, Auggie the Mountain Giant, Ud the Troll, Screwbeard the 210 00:18:51,515 --> 00:18:57,960 Dwarf, and Lady Wazirah of the Dark Elves. Together, their band defeated Malekith's army, but the 211 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,383 Dark Elves refused to let their king be imprisoned. From his throne, Malekith later plotted to 212 00:19:03,403 --> 00:19:07,670 steal the ten rings of the Chinese villain known as the Mandarin, whom you'll learn more about 213 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:12,994 in our Abra-Kadabra vs. Mandarin episode. This led to Iron Man taking the fight to Malekith 214 00:19:13,094 --> 00:19:18,938 in Spartalheim, wearing a suit made of literal iron, which was the Dark Elf's only weakness. 215 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:24,462 For a time, Thor became unworthy of wielding his Uru Hammer Mjolnir, an opportunity Malekith 216 00:19:24,482 --> 00:19:30,306 sought to take advantage of. Coming to Midgard, aka Earth, the Dark Elf easily overtook Thor, 217 00:19:30,346 --> 00:19:32,008 slicing off his left arm in battle. 218 00:19:35,082 --> 00:19:40,783 was able to wield Mjolnir and used it to defend Thor, becoming the new God of Thunder. Malekith 219 00:19:40,803 --> 00:19:46,505 was able to disappear with Thor's arm though, and burned it to ash. Soon after, Malekith 220 00:19:46,525 --> 00:19:51,906 started a War of the Realms, where it was revealed that he had formed his own League called the 221 00:19:51,966 --> 00:19:58,608 Dark Council. This included himself, Ulic the Troll, a nameless lava being from Muspelheim, 222 00:19:59,108 --> 00:20:05,770 King Lofi of the Frost Giants, a Minotaur, Loki, and the Asgardian known as Enchantress, whom 223 00:20:05,791 --> 00:20:10,212 you can learn more about in her duel against DC's Enchantress. This sorceress manipulated 224 00:20:10,272 --> 00:20:15,815 Queen Elsa of the Light Elves into marrying Malekith, uniting the realms of Svartalheim 225 00:20:15,915 --> 00:20:21,197 and Alfheim, and making his Dark Army unstoppable. He began taking over the other realms one by 226 00:20:21,357 --> 00:20:27,739 one, including Asgard itself, until only Midgard remained. His forces besieged Europe, which 227 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:33,578 Malekith dubbed New Svartalheim, where he used dark magic to wield the Venom symbiote. adding 228 00:20:33,638 --> 00:20:38,382 to his power. It took all of Earth's heroes dividing up into strike forces to defend the 229 00:20:38,402 --> 00:20:44,347 rest of the planet, and four variants of Thor himself to take on Malekith. In the end, Thor 230 00:20:44,367 --> 00:20:49,050 was able to wield Mjolnir once again, using it to separate Malekith from the symbiote. 231 00:20:49,511 --> 00:20:54,575 In a last ditch effort, Malekith, as the Lord of the Wild Hunt, tried to summon a legion 232 00:20:54,615 --> 00:20:59,919 of supernatural dog wolves to devour Thor, but his control over the beasts was broken by his 233 00:20:59,979 --> 00:21:05,259 fear, and they devoured their master instead. Malekith's soul was then sent to hell, where 234 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:10,402 Hela had him crucified with his eyes sewn open, forced to watch for all eternity the innocent 235 00:21:10,462 --> 00:21:16,725 childlike portion of his soul untainted by war, playing with his former hounds. Powers-wise, 236 00:21:17,105 --> 00:21:21,888 Malekith is a dark elf, possessing innate physical enhancements, including strength enough to 237 00:21:21,928 --> 00:21:28,231 lift 10 tons. Increased with magic, he can improve his physicality to lift up to 90 tons. He also 238 00:21:28,271 --> 00:21:34,963 has enhanced speed, durability, agility, longevity, and and healing speed. As the most powerful 239 00:21:35,003 --> 00:21:40,247 dark elf sorcerer, he can wield magic energies to cast all manner of spells. This includes 240 00:21:40,267 --> 00:21:46,371 but is not limited to shapeshifting, illusion casting, teleportation, matter transmutation, 241 00:21:46,792 --> 00:21:53,156 hypnosis, telekinesis, and the conjuring of eldritch energy blasts and shields. He is also 242 00:21:53,196 --> 00:21:58,180 a skilled swordsman and as the lord of the wild hunt, he wields a hunting horn that lets him 243 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:04,584 summon a legion of supernatural dogs. that can track and devour his opponents. Finally, Malekith 244 00:22:04,624 --> 00:22:10,207 is an experienced strategist and master manipulator. Like all dark elves, he has one major weakness 245 00:22:10,507 --> 00:22:14,850 and that is to iron, and that's Malekith. Wait, you weren't kidding when you were saying that 246 00:22:14,910 --> 00:22:18,852 the version in Thor the Dark World is different from the comics version. The comics version 247 00:22:18,892 --> 00:22:25,797 is so much cooler. Yeah, I really like the heavy fantasy element that Malekith brings to the 248 00:22:25,817 --> 00:22:30,671 world of Thor comic books. You know, given that he is a dark elf from one of the nine realms. 249 00:22:31,592 --> 00:22:37,395 In the movie, the dark elves were almost like sci-fi guys. They had like guns and lasers 250 00:22:37,415 --> 00:22:41,978 and stuff like that. It was a little bit weird. The movie definitely took a weird turn with 251 00:22:42,018 --> 00:22:47,421 the character. And also Christopher Eccleston's characterization was not really accurate either 252 00:22:47,461 --> 00:22:53,764 because Mallekith is like a very boastful, talkative braggart type of character. He's not like quiet 253 00:22:53,904 --> 00:22:58,992 and brooding like Eccleston's performance was. And I'm not gonna lie, I actually kinda liked 254 00:22:59,032 --> 00:23:03,375 Melikith in Thor the Dark World. I don't hate that movie as much as other people do, but 255 00:23:03,496 --> 00:23:10,021 now I kind of don't like it. So you ruined the movie for me. Well, I mean, we'll talk about 256 00:23:10,081 --> 00:23:15,306 the movie next week in our next episode. All right. Well, moving on to my character's backstory, 257 00:23:15,426 --> 00:23:21,611 which is way cooler even than that. Let me tell you all about Eclipso. In the beginning, God, 258 00:23:21,871 --> 00:23:28,172 AKA the presence in DC Comics. created the heavens and the earth, and appointed various angels 259 00:23:28,472 --> 00:23:34,516 and spirits to represent various aspects of himself in the material world. One of these 260 00:23:34,616 --> 00:23:40,921 aspects, Galeed, became the embodiment of God's divine wrath. It wasn't long before Galeed 261 00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:47,605 became corrupted by power, as his wrath was not tempered by vengeance or a sense of justice. 262 00:23:48,106 --> 00:23:53,489 The presence chose a new embodiment for his wrath, a former fallen angel who sought redemption 263 00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:58,716 The Spectre, who you can learn more about in our Spectre vs Galactus episode. The Spectre 264 00:23:58,776 --> 00:24:04,059 split Galeed in two, imprisoning one portion in the deepest crater on the dark side of the 265 00:24:04,099 --> 00:24:10,083 moon and the other within a massive black diamond known as the Heart of Darkness that had been 266 00:24:10,163 --> 00:24:16,186 mined from the planet Apocalypse. The Heart of Darkness attracted evil and so was hidden 267 00:24:16,246 --> 00:24:21,966 for most of human civilization, though it was eventually discovered in the late 1890s. by 268 00:24:22,006 --> 00:24:28,370 an explorer named Henry Gordon, within an ancient temple deep in the African jungle. The diamond 269 00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:34,274 corrupted Henry, who killed his companion, a university professor, once they found it. Henry 270 00:24:34,314 --> 00:24:40,598 took the diamond to a jeweler, and tasked him with dividing the diamond into 1,000 identical 271 00:24:40,658 --> 00:24:46,462 gemstones within one year's time. When Henry returned for the diamonds, he had the jeweler 272 00:24:46,542 --> 00:24:52,314 killed by two thugs, who stole all but one of the diamonds from Henry. and sold over 100 273 00:24:52,674 --> 00:24:57,656 of the gemstones before Henry found them a week later and killed them. The splitting of the 274 00:24:57,696 --> 00:25:03,899 diamond weakened the prison-like nature of it, which allowed the spirit of Galeed, now referring 275 00:25:03,959 --> 00:25:09,601 to itself as Eclipso, to influence anyone in possession of one of the black diamonds if 276 00:25:09,641 --> 00:25:15,323 they were angry, or to possess them outright if they were violent in nature, though Eclipso 277 00:25:15,343 --> 00:25:22,871 could easily be banished from his host when exposed to sunlight. One of the gemstones eventually 278 00:25:22,911 --> 00:25:28,015 found its way back to the African jungle and came into the possession of a tribal sorcerer 279 00:25:28,396 --> 00:25:34,200 named Mophir. When a solar energy scientist named Bruce Gordon traveled to the jungle to 280 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,846 view the solar eclipse, a possessed Mophir attacked Bruce, scratching him with his diamond before 281 00:25:40,886 --> 00:25:46,711 falling off of a cliff. Bruce took the diamond back with him to America, where, anytime there 282 00:25:46,731 --> 00:25:53,512 was an eclipse, he became possessed by Eclipso. now a frequent foe of the DC superhero community. 283 00:25:54,032 --> 00:25:59,336 Unaware of the nature of the Diamond, Bruce simply believed that Eclipso was an alternate, 284 00:25:59,476 --> 00:26:04,539 superpowered evil persona of his, though when he learned the nature of the Diamond, he was 285 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:09,863 able to prevent himself from becoming the villain through solar-powered technology. It was later 286 00:26:09,923 --> 00:26:15,838 revealed that Henry Gordon was Bruce Gordon's time-traveling son. who traveled to the past 287 00:26:15,918 --> 00:26:20,682 intending to destroy the Heart of Darkness and prevent his father from being used by Eclipso, 288 00:26:21,082 --> 00:26:27,927 but was corrupted by the Diamond instead. Eventually, the time traveling hero known as Mon-El discovered 289 00:26:28,007 --> 00:26:33,110 a fortress that Eclipso had erected on the dark side of the moon and became possessed by the 290 00:26:33,210 --> 00:26:38,554 other half of the spirit while investigating. This allowed Eclipso to merge both halves of 291 00:26:38,594 --> 00:26:44,970 his spirit and managed to possess all of Earth's heroes whom he brought to the moon. Bruce Gordon 292 00:26:45,010 --> 00:26:50,875 was able to free everyone, however, alongside a team of scientists who wielded solar weaponry 293 00:26:50,915 --> 00:26:56,440 that Bruce had designed. In an epic battle against Eclipso on the moon, the villain was seemingly 294 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:03,427 destroyed by a solar bomb. But because the Heart of Darkness still existed, so too did Eclipso's 295 00:27:03,507 --> 00:27:09,232 spirit. He next appeared in the fictional South American nation of Peridot, where he possessed 296 00:27:09,292 --> 00:27:16,023 a drug and eventually possessed the country's president, allowing him to take control over 297 00:27:16,043 --> 00:27:22,586 the entire nation and its army. Seeking vengeance against Bruce Gordon, Eclipso attacked Bruce's 298 00:27:22,626 --> 00:27:28,588 fiance's father, resulting in Bruce gathering several allies, including his fiance Mona, 299 00:27:29,069 --> 00:27:34,431 a fellow scientist named Cave Carson, and the Creeper, who you can learn more about in our 300 00:27:34,491 --> 00:27:39,853 Creeper vs. Nightcrawler episode. Bruce and the others ventured into Peridot, only to be 301 00:27:39,913 --> 00:27:47,154 captured by Eclipso, and force-fed black diamonds before being set free. The ordeal stirred Amanda 302 00:27:47,174 --> 00:27:52,359 Waller and other heroes to action, though U.S. forces suffered major casualties as a result 303 00:27:52,399 --> 00:27:58,444 of warring with Peridot's forces. Amanda Waller, Bruce Gordon, and others were put on trial 304 00:27:58,484 --> 00:28:04,088 by the UN for attempting to overthrow a sovereign nation, and Eclipso threatened to nuke the 305 00:28:04,148 --> 00:28:10,193 planet if they weren't found guilty. As heroes around the world prepared to take on Eclipso, 306 00:28:10,754 --> 00:28:15,719 The Phantom Stranger and the Spectre united to fight the villain, managing to gather all 307 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:21,885 of the black diamonds around the world and reforming the full Heart of Darkness, imprisoning Eclipso 308 00:28:22,105 --> 00:28:28,006 once again. At one point, when the Spectre lost faith in God, Eclipso managed to break free 309 00:28:28,026 --> 00:28:33,009 of the diamond and possess the specter. The specter was eventually able to overcome and 310 00:28:33,089 --> 00:28:39,332 retrap Eclipso in the Heart of Darkness before he crushed the diamond to dust. The fragments 311 00:28:39,372 --> 00:28:44,994 of the Heart of Darkness were eventually gathered by a man named Alex Montez, however, who was 312 00:28:45,054 --> 00:28:51,777 enraged over the death of his cousin caused by Eclipso. Save for a single shard, Alex liquefied 313 00:28:51,817 --> 00:28:59,882 the diamond and injected it into himself. body and occult glyphs and symbology, Eclipso was 314 00:28:59,962 --> 00:29:05,906 trapped within Alex, who took up his moniker and power as a new version of the villain. 315 00:29:06,306 --> 00:29:12,150 Though Alex later became an anti-hero and ally of the Justice Society and Black Adam, he was 316 00:29:12,190 --> 00:29:18,274 eventually injured with part of his tattoo skin Damage, which broke the glyphs and freed Eclipso, 317 00:29:18,394 --> 00:29:21,236 who killed Alex's girlfriend, which caused Alex to 318 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:32,362 Superboy Prime, who teamed with Alexander Luther Jr. of Earth-3 to restore the multiverse in 319 00:29:32,382 --> 00:29:37,985 the Infinite Crisis event. Superboy Prime gave the gemstone to Jean Loring, the ex-wife of 320 00:29:38,045 --> 00:29:44,548 Ray Palmer, the Atom. Jean, as Eclipso, manipulated the specter into destroying magic, which he 321 00:29:44,588 --> 00:29:50,271 nearly successfully did. As the sorcerers and magicians of Earth fought back, one of them, 322 00:29:50,611 --> 00:29:52,512 an anti-hero known as Nightshade, 323 00:29:56,334 --> 00:30:01,171 where Eclipsa would be trapped and tormented by the light. Due to his connection to Bruce 324 00:30:01,192 --> 00:30:06,264 Gordon Eclipso eventually made his way back to Earth and took possession of Bruce once 325 00:30:06,324 --> 00:30:11,906 again, though Bruce found he was able to control Eclipso as long as he controlled his temper. 326 00:30:12,306 --> 00:30:18,289 When Eclipso managed to kill Bruce's wife, Mona, he was able to take full control of Bruce's 327 00:30:18,349 --> 00:30:24,032 body and wage another campaign against Earth's heroes, revealing to the angelic hero Zahriyel, 328 00:30:24,312 --> 00:30:29,735 whom he defeated, that his ultimate goal was to kill God. You can learn more about Zahriyel 329 00:30:29,855 --> 00:30:34,938 in our Zahriyel vs. Archangel episode. After killing the specter and absorbing all of his 330 00:30:34,978 --> 00:30:41,162 power, Eclipso destroyed the moon, just before attempting to destroy the Earth and its inhabitants' 331 00:30:41,242 --> 00:30:47,046 love for God. With the combined might of all of Earth's heroes, however, Eclipso was defeated. 332 00:30:47,506 --> 00:30:54,290 In post-Flashpoint continuity, Eclipso long ago possessed Lord Kala, a scion of House Onyx 333 00:30:54,391 --> 00:31:03,657 and House Diamond in the fantasy dimension of Neela, aka Gemworld. of Niela, but was defeated 334 00:31:03,697 --> 00:31:09,641 by Lady Shandra of House Amethyst, who trapped him in a gem called the Black Diamond, which 335 00:31:09,681 --> 00:31:16,105 was banished to Earth's realm. Powers-wise, Eclipso possesses a vast amount of dark, magical 336 00:31:16,205 --> 00:31:23,790 energy that grants him vast strength and vulnerability, immortality, telekinesis, and telepathy. He 337 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:28,213 can emit this energy, often by focusing his gaze through a fragment of the Heart of 338 00:31:31,776 --> 00:31:38,637 darkness and from his light right eye paralyzing bursts of black light. He can alter his size 339 00:31:38,957 --> 00:31:44,258 and can also manipulate the environment around him to create thunderstorms, floods, and other 340 00:31:44,298 --> 00:31:50,199 phenomena often attributed to God's wrath. He can fly or teleport through shadow and he can 341 00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:55,480 influence or possess others, particularly if they are in contact with a fragment of the 342 00:31:55,521 --> 00:32:01,066 Heart of Darkness. Since part of his spirit is confined to the Heart of Darkness, Destroying 343 00:32:01,146 --> 00:32:07,387 it can weaken him and he's also vulnerable to bright light and that's Eclipso. If only Malekith 344 00:32:07,407 --> 00:32:12,489 could summon bright light, which I don't think he can as a member of the Dark Elves. Yes! 345 00:32:13,329 --> 00:32:18,551 But, I don't know if Eclipso can summon iron so I hope he can't. Oh, one more thing he can 346 00:32:18,591 --> 00:32:24,452 do I forgot to mention is not summon iron, but he can create constructs of shadow and gemstone 347 00:32:24,792 --> 00:32:29,490 as of recent comics. Oh interesting, that's pretty cool. That's a cool visual. They need 348 00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:34,196 to put Eclipso in a bigger movie or something than just, you know, Stargirls season two. 349 00:32:34,677 --> 00:32:39,142 Although he was freaky as hell in Stargirls season two. Like there was some horror movie 350 00:32:39,182 --> 00:32:43,328 type shit. Really? I feel like I gotta check that show out sometime. It's not bad, we should 351 00:32:43,368 --> 00:32:47,693 have reviewed it, honestly. Well, that's, I blame you for that one. I'll take the blame. 352 00:32:54,926 --> 00:33:00,613 where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 353 00:33:00,633 --> 00:33:06,361 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 354 00:33:06,421 --> 00:33:12,108 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 355 00:33:12,128 --> 00:33:18,804 Dynamic Podcast Network. Comic Book Titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where TV and 356 00:33:18,904 --> 00:33:25,207 action heroes battle every Wednesday. And Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. 357 00:33:25,707 --> 00:33:30,730 Join us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, 358 00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:37,853 discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 359 00:33:42,178 --> 00:33:45,681 Well now that we got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 360 00:33:45,721 --> 00:33:51,245 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, 361 00:33:51,366 --> 00:33:55,629 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ and IK, what are the rules of 362 00:33:55,669 --> 00:34:00,574 our speculation? Well I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no 363 00:34:00,634 --> 00:34:05,218 prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is 364 00:34:05,238 --> 00:34:09,834 that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... The 365 00:34:09,854 --> 00:34:14,898 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will 366 00:34:14,918 --> 00:34:20,262 have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 367 00:34:20,562 --> 00:34:25,907 The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Eclipso 368 00:34:25,947 --> 00:34:31,711 and Malekith meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I think Malekith is going to see Eclipso 369 00:34:32,212 --> 00:34:37,236 and conjure a blade, like a Chris sword type thing, you know like a, it's a sword with like 370 00:34:37,256 --> 00:34:42,447 a wavy blade. Right, right, yeah. He's gonna see Eclipso and probably assume that the guy 371 00:34:42,467 --> 00:34:48,470 is cursed just like him since they have similar face marks and Malekith is gonna be like let 372 00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:54,072 me fix the other side for you and from his sword He's gonna shoot out an eldritch flame blast 373 00:34:54,132 --> 00:35:00,235 right at Eclipso's face. Just melting that shit right off Okay, I mean so as this fireball 374 00:35:00,275 --> 00:35:06,222 is coming at Eclipso He's gonna generate a shield made of gemstone to block it then he's gonna 375 00:35:06,242 --> 00:35:11,787 hold up a shard of the heart of darkness to his right eye, flashing this burst of black 376 00:35:11,867 --> 00:35:17,652 light that's gonna paralyze Malekith. All right. So Malekith is paralyzed. And by the time he 377 00:35:17,772 --> 00:35:23,197 even realizes what's happening, Eclipso has already moved right over to him and created 378 00:35:23,237 --> 00:35:28,341 his own sword of crystal and shadow that he's just going to plunge right into Malekith's 379 00:35:28,401 --> 00:35:34,498 chest. No, cause Malekith teleports, you know, he disappears in this green flash. and Eclipso 380 00:35:34,578 --> 00:35:39,302 doesn't see him anymore. All he hears is Malekith's laughter just echoing from all directions. 381 00:35:39,663 --> 00:35:43,026 And it's like, it'll start off quietly at first, but it's gonna get like louder and louder, 382 00:35:43,046 --> 00:35:48,851 just like deafening Eclipso as Malekith suddenly appears, knocking Eclipso's sword out of his 383 00:35:48,891 --> 00:35:53,655 hand and then catching it and then using both of the swords, like scissors to lop off Eclipso's 384 00:35:53,675 --> 00:36:01,081 head. Wait, he took Eclipso's sword? Yes. Okay, well, as Malekith is holding Eclipso's shadow 385 00:36:01,121 --> 00:36:07,541 sword. Before he could decapitate Eclipso, the shadow blade moves like liquid up Melikith's 386 00:36:07,801 --> 00:36:14,424 arm and across his body before disappearing into his ears. So now Melikith is possessed 387 00:36:14,464 --> 00:36:20,188 by Eclipso with like an eclipse symbol over his face and Eclipso is going to force Melikith 388 00:36:20,468 --> 00:36:26,551 to cut off his own head. Well I mean if Melikith sees this like liquid shadow moving up over 389 00:36:26,591 --> 00:36:31,514 his body, that's gonna give him time to come up with a counter spell pretty quick. And you 390 00:36:31,534 --> 00:36:36,597 know, like as a dark elf, he's familiar with shadow magic, so he's gonna take control of 391 00:36:36,617 --> 00:36:42,281 this shadow, lift it off of himself, and like reshape it into the form of like this raven 392 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:47,345 that is gonna fly at Eclipso and snatch the black diamond that he's carrying away from 393 00:36:47,385 --> 00:36:52,408 him. Okay, well Eclipso, he's gonna quickly grow to like three stories and just snatch 394 00:36:52,448 --> 00:36:57,852 the bird before it can fly away with his diamond. And Eclipso's gonna just look down at Melikith 395 00:36:58,172 --> 00:37:03,679 and slam his fist down right on him. Just crushing his body into the ground. Okay, but you know, 396 00:37:03,919 --> 00:37:09,841 Eclipso's tall and a little bit slow. So as his fist is coming down, Malekith summons the 397 00:37:09,881 --> 00:37:16,284 Casket of Ancient Winters artifact from out of thin air. And he uses it to freeze Eclipso's 398 00:37:16,404 --> 00:37:24,387 arm right through. What? Dude, he can't do that. What? Why not? How is that allowed? Why does 399 00:37:24,427 --> 00:37:28,389 Eclipso get the Heart of Darkness and Malekith doesn't get the Casket of Ancient Winters, 400 00:37:28,449 --> 00:37:34,212 like in his back pocket? Because Eclipso always has a shard of the Heart of Darkness. Yeah, 401 00:37:34,292 --> 00:37:38,195 and like the casket of Ancient Winters is small enough to be portable, you know? It's smaller 402 00:37:38,235 --> 00:37:42,918 than it was in the movies, in the first Thor movie. Really? Yeah, it's tiny. It's like the 403 00:37:43,038 --> 00:37:48,822 size of a small jewelry box kind of thing. Oh. Meh. So this works, you know, Eclipso's fist 404 00:37:48,862 --> 00:37:54,366 comes down and his whole arm just shatters right off with, you know, Malekith protecting himself 405 00:37:54,386 --> 00:38:00,654 with a magic energy shield, smiling and then hiding the casket again. Dang. So, Calypso's 406 00:38:00,734 --> 00:38:05,755 pissed off right now. So, as he shrinks back down to his normal height, you know, his eyes 407 00:38:05,815 --> 00:38:12,057 just glowing red, he's gonna conjure this violent thunderstorm that rains lightning across the 408 00:38:12,097 --> 00:38:18,779 environment and zaps Malekith like numerous times until he's literally fried. Malekith 409 00:38:18,859 --> 00:38:22,240 deals with lightning all the time when he fights Thor, you know, he's no stranger to a lightning 410 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,241 attack. All he's gonna do here is transform his body into like this mist cloud and that's 411 00:38:27,261 --> 00:38:32,264 gonna sink into the earth below them and therefore the lightning is just you know gonna strike 412 00:38:32,284 --> 00:38:37,669 the ground no big deal but then all of a sudden the ground shakes like there's an earthquake 413 00:38:38,189 --> 00:38:42,673 and a group of rock trolls are gonna rise from the ground and just beat the shit out of a 414 00:38:42,713 --> 00:38:48,298 clip so with their rock clubs oh dang wait so is the clip so in the rock trolls or he just 415 00:38:48,318 --> 00:38:54,423 conjured them malekits still in the ground in his missed form and he just conjured the rock 416 00:38:54,463 --> 00:39:02,044 trolls okay so eclipse those Storm like vanished as soon as Melikith did so the Sun is probably 417 00:39:02,084 --> 00:39:09,009 shining right now and right when the rock trolls emerge Eclipso is gonna telekinetically slam 418 00:39:09,029 --> 00:39:15,514 them all together to form a single like giant stone ball But he levitates into the sky to 419 00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:22,599 cast a shadow upon the environment an eclipse that increases his power So wherever Melikith 420 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:28,950 is right now Eclipso is gonna telekinetically pull his mist body into his grasp and hold 421 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:35,512 him and blasting Melikith point blank with this dark energy blast that's so powerful it's gonna 422 00:39:35,653 --> 00:39:41,614 send Melikith crashing through the rock troll moon and all the way to the sun where he dies. 423 00:39:42,135 --> 00:39:47,316 That's not even a real eclipse, how does that count? It's counted before in the comics where 424 00:39:47,336 --> 00:39:53,827 like things could block the sun it's like oh it's an eclipse! Okay. I'm gonna say that when 425 00:39:53,967 --> 00:39:59,591 Eclipso does summon Malekith into his grasp, he's holding onto his hunting horn. And as 426 00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:04,374 he blows into it, he's gonna summon the Wild Hunt, which is this pack of supernatural dogs, 427 00:40:04,754 --> 00:40:11,099 and also a winged white tiger, and they're all just gonna devour Eclipso whole. And Eclipso's 428 00:40:11,139 --> 00:40:16,342 gonna be like, Oh god, they're killing me! And Malekith is gonna be laughing and having a 429 00:40:16,362 --> 00:40:25,727 good time. Match over. Okay, so three things. One, uh... That tiger is super random. Two, 430 00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:30,969 Eclipso's not gonna be saying anything if this happens. And it's not gonna happen because 431 00:40:31,049 --> 00:40:36,312 three, yeah, that wild hunt is gonna follow Malekith's ass into the sun because he's already 432 00:40:36,352 --> 00:40:40,973 there by the time he blows that horn. Well, one, don't knock the white tiger because it's 433 00:40:41,013 --> 00:40:46,316 bad ass, you know, it has wings and Malekith rides it and it looks awesome. Two, you're 434 00:40:46,336 --> 00:40:52,238 wrong. And three, let's run the stats to see which of these scenarios happens. Sure. Okay, 435 00:40:52,358 --> 00:40:58,461 so either Bella Kith gets blasted into the sun or he blows his horn in time to have the wild 436 00:40:58,481 --> 00:41:04,324 hunt devour Eclipso. We'll go ahead and input the stats, run the simulations, and come back 437 00:41:04,344 --> 00:41:12,188 with a winner. AJ9K, hit it! Inputting data. Running calculations. Processing results. Simulations 438 00:41:12,208 --> 00:41:18,159 complete. Alright, this is a pretty fun matchup. It's always really hard. speculate on matches 439 00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:23,463 between wizards and sorcerers and like magical entities and stuff like that because they can 440 00:41:23,503 --> 00:41:27,567 almost do anything so you have to be really creative and make sure that all of the spells 441 00:41:27,647 --> 00:41:32,611 are in keeping with the themes of the character and stuff like that but that being said I think 442 00:41:32,631 --> 00:41:37,074 we did a pretty good job with that speculation it was a lot of fun yeah both characters are 443 00:41:37,174 --> 00:41:43,740 really powerful Malekith ended up being more powerful than I anticipated I thought Eclipsa 444 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,554 was gonna totally take this considering You know, he's pretty much the equivalent of the 445 00:41:47,614 --> 00:41:52,876 specter, but uh, Melikith definitely held his own. Yeah. Melikith goes, you know, toe to 446 00:41:52,896 --> 00:41:58,077 toe with Thor and obviously Thor can beat the specter, so there you go. Uh, Galactus couldn't 447 00:41:58,117 --> 00:42:04,019 even beat the specter. Spoiler alert. Spoilers. Come on, man. Come on. Everybody go listen 448 00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:07,920 to the specter versus Galactus Duel episode now, but not before you get the results here. 449 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:15,802 Stat wise, Eclipso was more durable and stronger and could seemingly do more damage with less 450 00:42:15,862 --> 00:42:21,405 effort. The dude is really powerful. But Malekith, we said, has him on fighting skill because 451 00:42:21,445 --> 00:42:25,466 he does a lot of swordplay, especially when he was wielding like the Necro Sword in the 452 00:42:25,506 --> 00:42:31,709 comics. He was able to successfully best Thor in sword combat by chopping his arm off. And 453 00:42:31,749 --> 00:42:35,771 Eclipso hasn't really been shown to do that kind of stuff too much. Well, he actually is 454 00:42:35,791 --> 00:42:40,933 shown to do a lot of sword fighting, but he also tends to lose a lot of those sword fights. 455 00:42:41,133 --> 00:42:47,670 Because of Eclipso's strength He seemingly tends to tank a lot of attacks directed at him, whereas 456 00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:53,274 Malekith avoids most attacks that are directed at him, either by transmuting his form into 457 00:42:53,294 --> 00:42:58,379 a mist or by pulling up a Eldritch shield or something like that. Teleporting, so we said 458 00:42:58,439 --> 00:43:02,622 Malekith had a slight edge over Eclipso when it comes to evasiveness. But both these guys 459 00:43:02,642 --> 00:43:07,487 are super versatile. They're pretty smart and strategic. Yeah, and they're both really fast 460 00:43:07,507 --> 00:43:12,094 and they can both teleport. So all that said, Jonathan. Who do you think is going to win 461 00:43:12,134 --> 00:43:16,635 this and why do you think it's Malekith? I don't think it's Malekith. I think it's Eclipso. 462 00:43:17,135 --> 00:43:21,256 I think it's going to be closer than I thought it was going to be, but I still think Eclipso 463 00:43:21,296 --> 00:43:29,318 is going to take the lead here, as do our Instagram followers, 68% of whom said that Eclipso was 464 00:43:29,338 --> 00:43:34,080 going to take the win. I don't think it's going to be a win percentage that high in the simulation 465 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:39,461 results, but I think Eclipso is still going to get the win. I'm honestly surprised Eclipso 466 00:43:39,521 --> 00:43:44,252 beat Malekith in the poll. considering I tend to think of these things as popularity contests. 467 00:43:44,813 --> 00:43:49,957 And since Malekith was in Thor the Dark World, I thought more people would actually vote for 468 00:43:50,017 --> 00:43:54,681 him. But I think it just kind of goes to show how much people really don't like Thor the 469 00:43:54,721 --> 00:44:02,108 Dark World. Well, let's see if these people are right. AJ9K, the results please. Hey, Yuasa. 470 00:44:03,189 --> 00:44:15,573 Okay, the winner between Eclipso and Malekith is... Don't act like you're frozen. It was 471 00:44:15,593 --> 00:44:23,678 Eclipso. Yes. Yeah. Eclipso out of the 1000 matches won 531 battles over Malekith's 469 472 00:44:24,699 --> 00:44:31,103 wins. So it was 53.1% over 46.9%. See, that's actually closer than I thought it was going 473 00:44:31,143 --> 00:44:37,127 to be, but I'll still take the win because Eclipso is dope. I think Eclipso is lame. I think Eclipses 474 00:44:37,167 --> 00:44:42,639 in general are lame. You know, it's just a, just a big shadow. get over it people who cares. 475 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:50,883 I think you're lame Jonathan big time and I think we should wrap this shit up. Don't be 476 00:44:50,923 --> 00:44:55,646 a sore loser. People wanted Eclipsa to win the people got what they wanted. We should all 477 00:44:55,666 --> 00:45:01,229 be happy. I am people. Yeah, but you don't you don't count Marvel fans aren't real people. 478 00:45:01,289 --> 00:45:05,451 Anyway, what are you talking about? Of course, we're real people. We have real feelings. They 479 00:45:05,491 --> 00:45:13,035 get really hurt when we lose these Duel matches. Okay. Punch us, we bleed. Okay, don't actually. 480 00:45:13,575 --> 00:45:16,697 All right, that does it for this episode, guys. Let us know what you thought about the Duel 481 00:45:16,737 --> 00:45:23,181 results by writing to us at dyna or by visiting us on Instagram, which you can find a link 482 00:45:23,221 --> 00:45:28,543 to in our show notes or by visiting our website at dynamicduel.com. 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In our next episode, as we mentioned earlier, We will be 491 00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:14,576 doing a throwback review of the film Thor the Dark World. I think it will be interesting 492 00:46:14,596 --> 00:46:19,638 to revisit this film after a lot of terrible Marvel projects like the Marvels have come 493 00:46:19,718 --> 00:46:25,440 out. Watch your language. OK, words mean things. You can't just call the Marvels terrible when 494 00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:31,082 it was in fact not terrible and, you know, adequate. That's how you could describe the Marvels. 495 00:46:31,102 --> 00:46:36,385 OK, if you want to talk about terrible, look at a movie like Catwoman. OK, that's a proper 496 00:46:36,445 --> 00:46:40,811 word for that movie. All right. But that does it for this episode guys, we want to give a 497 00:46:40,871 --> 00:46:46,034 big thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, 498 00:46:46,194 --> 00:46:51,538 Miki Mantengian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatin, Austin Wasilewski, AJ Dunkerley, 499 00:46:51,678 --> 00:46:56,981 Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, and Dean Molesky for helping make this podcast 500 00:46:57,041 --> 00:47:02,685 possible. We'll talk to you guys next week. Up and Away, true believers. Once upon a time 501 00:47:02,705 --> 00:47:06,727 I was falling in love, now I'm only falling apart. There's nothing I can do. A total eclipse 502 00:47:06,747 --> 00:47:07,268 of the fart.