1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,362 --> 00:00:28,884 Welcome to the dynamic duel podcast a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:28,904 --> 00:00:34,346 the superiority between Marvel and DC By comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:34,806 --> 00:00:40,549 I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother Johnny DC And in this episode we are going to find 5 00:00:40,589 --> 00:00:48,252 out who'd win in a fight between the grand illusionist characters Psycho pirate and mastermind. Yes, 6 00:00:48,332 --> 00:00:54,947 psycho pirate is a JSA villain whereas mastermind is a villain of the X-Men. Yeah, it should 7 00:00:54,987 --> 00:01:00,471 be a pretty trippy duel speculation later on this episode. Yeah, if you guys take mushrooms, 8 00:01:00,971 --> 00:01:08,156 take them now. If you microdose, just forget the micro part. Cause it's gonna be crazy, 9 00:01:08,196 --> 00:01:12,539 man. No, we're gonna talk about who'd win in a fight. We're gonna plug in the character 10 00:01:12,559 --> 00:01:17,074 stats, run a thousand simulations, and come up with the definitive answer. Later on this 11 00:01:17,114 --> 00:01:20,215 episode, before that we're gonna break down the latest comic book movie news to come out 12 00:01:20,255 --> 00:01:24,716 this past week, of which there was just one news item, fairly low key and mostly boring. 13 00:01:25,076 --> 00:01:29,517 We learned that Jonathan and Martha can't have been cast in the Superman film. Bias! On me 14 00:01:29,577 --> 00:01:33,238 I'm like, who cares? I'm like, who cares? Bias. But as always, we list our segment times in 15 00:01:33,258 --> 00:01:37,159 our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead 16 00:01:37,459 --> 00:01:43,261 past the boring stuff. What the fuck? Our artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick 17 00:01:43,301 --> 00:01:49,812 message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there. Do you love listening and chatting 18 00:01:49,852 --> 00:01:54,998 about Marvel and DC? Then become a part of the dynamic duel community on Patreon, where you 19 00:01:55,038 --> 00:02:00,323 can choose from three tiers. The dynamic two-o tier lets you listen to this podcast without 20 00:02:00,444 --> 00:02:05,169 ads and gives you access to its discord chat group, where you can chat with Johnny DC and 21 00:02:05,209 --> 00:02:10,115 marvelous Joe. The Fantastic Four tier gives you that and more with two bonus episodes each 22 00:02:10,155 --> 00:02:14,597 month, including bloopers and top ten shows where Johnny and Joe count down your favourite 23 00:02:14,637 --> 00:02:19,660 Marvel and DC subjects. The X-Force tier makes you an executive producer of Dynamic Duel, 24 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:23,942 where every month you help the hosts choose what to review and who to fight against each 25 00:02:24,002 --> 00:02:29,924 other. And finally, the Dynamite Podcast Network tier allows aspiring podcasters to create their 26 00:02:30,085 --> 00:02:33,286 own battle-focused show using this Monte Carlo simulator. 27 00:02:52,931 --> 00:02:58,712 Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone who supports the podcast, including executive producer Brandon 28 00:02:58,752 --> 00:03:04,942 Estregard who had his birthday this past week. Happy birthday, Brandon! If I could get you 29 00:03:05,062 --> 00:03:10,967 one gift from Marvel, I think it would be to have the power of the puppet master, the Fantastic 30 00:03:11,007 --> 00:03:15,370 Four villain. That way you can animate all the cool Funko pops that you have. And I would 31 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:20,434 give you the power of Toy Man, who actually I don't think has any powers, but he has a 32 00:03:20,474 --> 00:03:26,298 lot of cool toys, just like you. Happy birthday, man. Be sure to tune into the shows in the 33 00:03:26,358 --> 00:03:31,950 DynaMic podcast network this week, including Max Destruction. which pits your favorite action 34 00:03:31,970 --> 00:03:36,932 heroes from film and television against each other. This week though, hosts Ken and Scotty 35 00:03:37,132 --> 00:03:42,835 will be doing a review of the wrestling film, Ready to Rumble. On the Senjou World podcast, 36 00:03:42,915 --> 00:03:47,917 host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. This 37 00:03:47,957 --> 00:03:52,899 Thursday, he's going to find out who would win in a fight between Mahito from Jujutsu Kaisen 38 00:03:53,140 --> 00:03:59,243 and Elder Toguro from Yu Hakusho. On the Console Combat podcast, hosts John and Dean find out 39 00:03:59,283 --> 00:04:04,027 who would win in fights between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they 40 00:04:04,087 --> 00:04:08,911 reviewed season 1 of the Fallout television series. Not listening to it because I haven't 41 00:04:08,991 --> 00:04:13,394 watched it yet, but I'm dying to. Well, I never played the game, so I don't know if I would 42 00:04:13,414 --> 00:04:17,998 get much out of it. That doesn't bother me. It's fine. I'll learn about the game through 43 00:04:18,018 --> 00:04:22,401 the show. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all 44 00:04:22,422 --> 00:04:24,603 of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. 45 00:04:27,606 --> 00:04:33,289 the Rankers podcast where you can listen to Jonathan and I get into a full on debate over 46 00:04:33,349 --> 00:04:37,632 who is better between Marvel and DC. Now I know what you're thinking, don't you guys do that 47 00:04:37,692 --> 00:04:42,334 every week on the show? Well in the Rankers podcast that we guested on we took a more holistic 48 00:04:42,374 --> 00:04:48,038 approach to the Marvel versus DC debate. Joseph and I each got five minutes to explain why 49 00:04:48,078 --> 00:04:53,681 we think DC or Marvel is better and then yeah we just argued with the guys and it was a whole 50 00:04:53,701 --> 00:04:58,551 lot of fun. and yeah, be sure to check it out this Friday, April 26th. But with that out 51 00:04:58,571 --> 00:05:05,033 of the way, quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. 52 00:05:05,353 --> 00:05:10,035 Our version, the Dynamic duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the 53 00:05:10,075 --> 00:05:15,176 person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week we asked, 54 00:05:15,356 --> 00:05:21,046 what film are you looking forward to more this year? Deadpool and Wolverine? or Joker Folly-a-doo. 55 00:05:21,106 --> 00:05:25,707 And this is coming off of the teaser trailer that we got for Joker Folly-a-doo. And Jonathan 56 00:05:25,747 --> 00:05:30,969 just felt like he wanted to be a glutton for punishment by asking this question. We got 57 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:35,210 three honorable mentions, as well as a no prize winner. So let's go ahead and break those down. 58 00:05:35,710 --> 00:05:41,932 Our first honorable mention goes to Harrison Fox, who said, As much as I enjoy Joker, and 59 00:05:41,952 --> 00:05:46,533 I'm looking forward to the continuation of that story, nothing can compare to the hype of Deadpool 60 00:05:46,553 --> 00:05:51,318 and Wolverine. It's going to be the first real bridge between the Fox universe and the MCU, 61 00:05:51,379 --> 00:05:55,100 something we've been waiting almost 20 years for. It's going to have Hugh Jackman in the 62 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,781 classic yellow costume. It's going to have the TVA and it's going to have Deadpool. There 63 00:06:00,921 --> 00:06:06,623 is nothing more exciting than all of that. No matter how much Lady Gaga you have in your 64 00:06:06,663 --> 00:06:11,724 movie. Yeah. It would take at least three times as much Lady Gaga and Joker Folly I do to even 65 00:06:11,884 --> 00:06:16,345 come close to the level of anticipation people are feeling for Deadpool and Wolverine this 66 00:06:16,365 --> 00:06:24,771 summer. That is a scientific fact. That is that is a lot of Lady Gaga. I mean, I do kind of 67 00:06:24,791 --> 00:06:29,234 see where he's coming from, where there's all this hype that the X-Men are finally going 68 00:06:29,274 --> 00:06:35,738 to appear in the MCU. But, man, I'm like, we already got our first mutant with Miss Marvel, 69 00:06:35,918 --> 00:06:40,662 you know? Well, we've also seen Professor X in the Multiverse of Madness movie, and then 70 00:06:40,682 --> 00:06:45,705 there was Beast in the Marvel's film. But this is going to be like a whole lot more of that 71 00:06:45,945 --> 00:06:50,860 awesomeness. And those really weren't even that awesome. They were that awesome, actually. 72 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,863 They were incredible. I cannot wait for Deadpool and Wolverine. Great answer, Harrison Fox. 73 00:06:54,903 --> 00:07:01,187 I think you put it very well. Our next honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, Hey, 74 00:07:01,227 --> 00:07:05,991 danger dudes, Travis here. Shout out to my other twins. So my answer would have to be Deadpool 75 00:07:06,011 --> 00:07:12,395 and Wolverine. One is because Deadpool was finally in the MCU. Two, Hugh Jackman is back playing 76 00:07:12,475 --> 00:07:17,374 Wolverine. I feel like this movie is going to be kicking ass. We're gonna be seeing some 77 00:07:17,434 --> 00:07:23,057 cool action scenes with those two. And honestly, depending on how this movie ends, it's gonna 78 00:07:23,097 --> 00:07:29,400 be either really good or really fucking amazing. So yeah, that's my pick. Those really are the 79 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,662 two options of how Deadpool and Wolverine can come out. It's gonna be either really good 80 00:07:33,042 --> 00:07:37,965 or really fucking amazing, just like Travis Herndon said. There are no other options. As 81 00:07:38,005 --> 00:07:43,370 much as I hate the idea of- Hugh Jackman coming back to the role of Wolverine after he ended 82 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:48,152 it on a perfect note with Logan. I do have to admit that the pairing of Ryan Reynolds and 83 00:07:48,172 --> 00:07:53,933 Hugh Jackman is comedic perfection. I mean, well, we did see it happen already in X-Men 84 00:07:53,953 --> 00:07:59,295 Origins Wolverine, but also we tried to forget about that movie. I already did. Thanks for 85 00:07:59,315 --> 00:08:04,896 reminding me. I'm sure they'll be making a reference to that film in the Deadpool and Wolverine 86 00:08:04,916 --> 00:08:10,050 movie that comes out. Great answer, Travis. Our final honorable mention goes to... Koyen 87 00:08:10,090 --> 00:08:17,016 Liao who said, Hi there, Koyen Liao speaking here, listening from Singapore. I'd say my 88 00:08:17,176 --> 00:08:23,281 answer would be Deadpool and Wolverine because you don't get this kind of collaboration every 89 00:08:23,321 --> 00:08:30,627 year and Joker followed you is kind of stupid. I mean the musical is kind of stupid. But yeah, 90 00:08:30,928 --> 00:08:39,070 my answer would be Deadpool and Wolverine. So yeah, that's it I think. That's it. That's 91 00:08:39,110 --> 00:08:43,812 all that needs to be said. Joker Folly I do is stupid. How about that, Jonathan? Well, 92 00:08:43,832 --> 00:08:49,175 I think specifically said that musicals are stupid, which I could disagree every single 93 00:08:49,215 --> 00:08:54,818 freaking podcast episode leading up to the Joker movie where everyone is proven wrong. But I 94 00:08:54,858 --> 00:08:59,981 understand that sentiment exists out there. If you guys think musicals are stupid, I recommend 95 00:09:00,021 --> 00:09:05,684 checking out like Flight of the Concords or Sweeney Todd. They're not all bad. Sweeney 96 00:09:05,724 --> 00:09:10,922 Todd wasn't that good, man. I watched that movie. I didn't like it that much because you're stupid. 97 00:09:11,322 --> 00:09:14,843 If you want to talk about a good musical, I thought Team America was a pretty good musical. 98 00:09:15,263 --> 00:09:20,705 Oh, that's a great one. Hamilton actually was fantastic. It's probably the best one. We really 99 00:09:20,725 --> 00:09:24,126 don't get better than Hamilton. Yeah, you can't get better than Hamilton. Yeah. Great answer, 100 00:09:24,166 --> 00:09:29,827 Koyan. We want to give a quick shout out to both JP and Josh Hayward. First time colors 101 00:09:29,867 --> 00:09:36,209 who also gave the answer of Deadpool and Wolverine. Everybody basically gave the answer of Deadpool 102 00:09:36,229 --> 00:09:42,127 and Wolverine. How could you not, right? How could you not? Except for the winner of this 103 00:09:42,167 --> 00:09:47,908 week's No Prize, who is Miggy Mathingian? He said. Hey, what's up guys, this is Miggy, and 104 00:09:47,948 --> 00:09:54,650 I'm looking forward to Folly a Do more than Deadpool because it's gonna be like more intelligent, 105 00:09:54,970 --> 00:10:01,412 just a better objectively better made film, probably gonna win more awards. Yeah, I don't 106 00:10:01,432 --> 00:10:07,473 know. I'm just like as a DC fan, like just more intelligent than like the brainwashed MCU zombies. 107 00:10:08,014 --> 00:10:13,597 You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. That's right MCU fans, you guys are brainwashed. You guys 108 00:10:13,637 --> 00:10:18,219 need to get with the program and start watching more intelligent films like Joker Follyadoo. 109 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:22,982 The only reason Miggie's answer won the question of the week was because there was no way to 110 00:10:23,022 --> 00:10:28,605 choose between all the other answers of Deadpool and Wolverine, of which they staggeringly outnumbered 111 00:10:28,806 --> 00:10:34,989 Miggie's answer of the Joker sequel. More people are in fact looking forward to Deadpool and 112 00:10:35,029 --> 00:10:41,045 Wolverine. And yeah, you may like, I don't know, try to rile us up by saying we're less intelligent 113 00:10:41,065 --> 00:10:46,609 for that. But that just makes you look petty because obviously everyone knows Deadpool and 114 00:10:46,629 --> 00:10:50,952 Wolverine is going to be the better superhero film. But I mean, do they? Like, I don't know 115 00:10:50,992 --> 00:10:55,234 that. I don't know that. And I'm more intelligent because I'm a DC fan. Wait. So you're saying 116 00:10:55,254 --> 00:10:59,617 that you don't know something and that you're more intelligent. I think that's kind of contradictory. 117 00:11:00,018 --> 00:11:04,741 Fuck. Yeah. No, honestly, I'm really curious to see who's going to come out on top in the 118 00:11:04,801 --> 00:11:09,676 box office. because the Deadpool films have made over a billion dollars. They're rated 119 00:11:09,816 --> 00:11:15,299 R. The first Joker film is rated R, and it's actually the highest grossing rated R film 120 00:11:15,339 --> 00:11:20,101 of all time, making over a billion dollars. So these are both billion dollar rated R franchises. 121 00:11:20,301 --> 00:11:24,243 They're both sequels. Who's gonna win the box office? That's what I really wanna know. You 122 00:11:24,263 --> 00:11:28,686 wanna place a bet on it now? I think you've lost every single bet that we've made. I don't 123 00:11:28,726 --> 00:11:33,809 remember that. I remember winning all of the bets. No. All right, let's do a bet. 50 bucks 124 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:39,283 says that Joker comes out on top. 50 bucks overbending money, not pride. Cause last time you lost 125 00:11:39,303 --> 00:11:43,544 these bets, you had to say live on air that Batman is a piece of shit. But we'll do money. 126 00:11:43,704 --> 00:11:49,447 Money's fine. I could use some money. Oh, I don't know. Okay. No, if you lose, you have 127 00:11:49,487 --> 00:11:56,369 to say Marvel sucks ass. Okay. And if you lose, you have to give me 50 bucks. Deal. Damn it. 128 00:11:59,214 --> 00:12:02,818 But congrats to Miggi for winning this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at 129 00:12:02,858 --> 00:12:06,664 winning your own No Prize, stay tuned till later on this episode when we'll be asking another 130 00:12:06,764 --> 00:12:10,409 question of the week. And now that that's done, on to the news. 131 00:12:15,986 --> 00:12:20,827 Okay, so this past week, the wrap, I believe, was the first trade to get the exclusive castings 132 00:12:21,167 --> 00:12:27,969 for Jonathan and Martha Kent, the farmer adoptive parents of Superman in the upcoming Superman 133 00:12:28,049 --> 00:12:34,871 film. Jonathan Kent is going to be played by Pruitt Taylor Vintze, who I most know from 134 00:12:35,191 --> 00:12:41,833 Constantine. He was Constantine's priest friend. But he's also had a recurring role on Netflix's 135 00:12:41,893 --> 00:12:47,335 Stranger Things. He was an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. He was in Heroes Reborn, True Blood, The Walking 136 00:12:47,395 --> 00:12:53,639 Dead, The Mentalist, Murder One, which he actually won an Emmy for. The guy has a pretty robust 137 00:12:53,699 --> 00:12:58,102 filmography. Who was he in Agents of Shield? I don't remember him. I don't know. I didn't 138 00:12:58,122 --> 00:13:03,266 watch that show. Well, why don't you look it up on IMDb and then tell me? Hey, hey, same 139 00:13:03,286 --> 00:13:08,870 to you, pal. Same to you. You're the one asking the question. OK, according to IMDb, he played 140 00:13:08,890 --> 00:13:15,274 a character named Grill in four episodes in season five of Agents of Shield. And I don't 141 00:13:15,314 --> 00:13:19,897 remember that character at all. I may have to revisit that. Well, I think is fairly recognizable 142 00:13:20,077 --> 00:13:24,901 as an actor. He may not be a household name, but I think he's a good actor. And I think 143 00:13:24,941 --> 00:13:31,365 he could definitely pull off the Kansas farmer for sure. As can Neva Howell, who will be playing 144 00:13:31,785 --> 00:13:38,550 Martha Kent. I don't know if I've actually seen her in anything. She was in Diary of a Wimpy 145 00:13:38,590 --> 00:13:45,863 Kid, The Long Call, Logan Lucky and My Fellow Americans. She looks a little familiar, but 146 00:13:45,983 --> 00:13:51,328 yeah, not really familiar with her at all. So is this the most boring casting news ever? 147 00:13:51,748 --> 00:13:58,994 I think so. I'm pretty bored. Are you excited? Hell yeah, I'm excited. I think this just continues 148 00:13:59,034 --> 00:14:04,038 James Gunn's streak of casting this movie perfectly. I mean, they kind of look more the part, I 149 00:14:04,058 --> 00:14:09,834 would say, than Kevin Costner and Diane Lane. Like those actors are very like... Model-esque 150 00:14:09,894 --> 00:14:14,076 I would say whereas these guys definitely, you know resemble more of what I imagine a Kansas 151 00:14:14,096 --> 00:14:19,359 farming couple would look like A little bit more down-to-earth, I guess. Exactly. Sure. 152 00:14:19,979 --> 00:14:23,441 And since there's nothing really left to say about this topic, that brings us to our question 153 00:14:23,481 --> 00:14:23,861 of the week. 154 00:14:28,246 --> 00:14:33,568 What casting announcement for a Marvel or DC film were you most hyped about when you first 155 00:14:33,588 --> 00:14:38,230 heard about it and why? Yeah, this goes back through the history of Marvel and DC films. 156 00:14:38,730 --> 00:14:41,591 What was the announcement that when you heard it you were just like so freaking pumped to 157 00:14:41,631 --> 00:14:46,593 see the movie? Because of this announcement. Think about it, let us know. Record your answer 158 00:14:46,633 --> 00:14:51,295 at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the 159 00:14:51,335 --> 00:14:55,717 screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds 160 00:14:55,777 --> 00:15:00,097 long. And don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick 161 00:15:00,137 --> 00:15:05,082 our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic dole no prize that will post to Instagram. 162 00:15:05,463 --> 00:15:08,285 Be sure to answer before April 27th. 163 00:15:15,278 --> 00:15:18,420 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and move into 164 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:23,803 our main event, where we find out who'd win in a fight between the JSA villain of Psycho 165 00:15:23,843 --> 00:15:26,785 Pirate and the X-Men villain, Mastermind. 166 00:15:41,814 --> 00:15:46,416 Alright, Psycho Pirate versus Mastermind. These are both illusionist characters. They can make 167 00:15:46,436 --> 00:15:51,939 people see things psychically that don't actually exist, but they're highly manipulative in that 168 00:15:51,959 --> 00:15:56,922 fashion. No, well for Psycho Pirate, these things actually do exist. They're like, they're lifelike 169 00:15:56,982 --> 00:16:03,125 duplicates. What the fuck? How is he an illusionist then? That's like reality warping, not illusions. 170 00:16:03,426 --> 00:16:08,769 Yeah, yeah, he's a reality warper, you could say. Well, this is a stupid match. Whose idea 171 00:16:08,789 --> 00:16:14,571 was this? Miggy's? No, actually, it was your idea. We were trying to think of a match up 172 00:16:14,651 --> 00:16:19,433 for Psycho Pirate because he's going to be featured, it looks like pretty heavily in the upcoming 173 00:16:19,553 --> 00:16:24,815 Crisis on Infinite Earths animated film. And you were the one who suggested Mastermind. 174 00:16:25,235 --> 00:16:30,718 I think I suggested it because Psycho Pirate has empathy powers, empathic abilities. Yes. 175 00:16:31,018 --> 00:16:36,080 And Mastermind can also elicit emotions through the use of his illusions. And plus, to the 176 00:16:36,140 --> 00:16:41,314 person experiencing the illusions, they are real according to all of their senses. So for 177 00:16:41,354 --> 00:16:46,377 all intents and purposes, to his victims, it almost is like mastermind is warping reality. 178 00:16:46,898 --> 00:16:51,281 So, Psycho Pirates going down, and I'm not scared. You will be. 179 00:16:55,124 --> 00:16:59,567 Okay Yoda, can't wait to get into this duel matchup, but to explain the methodology behind 180 00:16:59,607 --> 00:17:04,690 our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ and Ayn K, tell our 181 00:17:04,730 --> 00:17:09,990 listeners how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course sir. The 182 00:17:10,010 --> 00:17:14,631 way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations 183 00:17:14,732 --> 00:17:19,614 using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to 184 00:17:19,654 --> 00:17:24,776 determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomise the statistics along 185 00:17:24,796 --> 00:17:29,278 a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 186 00:17:29,678 --> 00:17:34,420 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters 187 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:39,606 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 188 00:17:39,646 --> 00:17:45,047 potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 189 00:17:45,547 --> 00:17:50,349 The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 190 00:17:50,369 --> 00:17:54,850 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability 191 00:17:54,890 --> 00:18:00,712 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 192 00:18:01,212 --> 00:18:05,698 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So 193 00:18:05,738 --> 00:18:09,599 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 194 00:18:09,639 --> 00:18:15,200 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 195 00:18:15,220 --> 00:18:19,622 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 196 00:18:21,022 --> 00:18:25,803 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's histories 197 00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:31,385 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 198 00:18:31,405 --> 00:18:37,148 would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the DC character, 199 00:18:37,488 --> 00:18:43,511 so let me tell you all about Psycho Pirate. Now on Earth 2, an alternate reality from DC's 200 00:18:43,591 --> 00:18:49,955 primary universe, a greedy, middle-aged pressman for the Daily Courier newspaper named Charles 201 00:18:49,995 --> 00:18:56,179 Halsted hated his publisher for not paying him enough. This hatred drove Charles into orchestrating 202 00:18:56,219 --> 00:19:02,919 a series of crimes based on emotion as the costumed villain Psycho Pirate. As Charles became successful 203 00:19:02,959 --> 00:19:08,163 in his crimes, he became bolder, though after he challenged the Justice Society of America 204 00:19:08,203 --> 00:19:14,068 to stop him, the team managed to do just that, and Charles was put in prison. You can learn 205 00:19:14,128 --> 00:19:19,873 more about the JSA in our Justice Society vs. Fantastic Four episode. Charles became obsessed 206 00:19:19,913 --> 00:19:25,758 with manipulating people's emotions and dabbled in psychology and mysticism, enabling him to 207 00:19:25,798 --> 00:19:32,227 escape prison several times, only to be returned to his cell. by the JSA over the decades. By 208 00:19:32,247 --> 00:19:38,589 the mid-60s, Charles grew ill in prison, and, wanting to pass on his secrets before death, 209 00:19:38,949 --> 00:19:44,972 taught his young cellmate Roger Hayden everything he knew about manipulating emotions and also 210 00:19:45,032 --> 00:19:51,075 revealed the existence of the Medusa Masks, mystic and ancient golden masks discovered 211 00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:59,462 by the archaeologist Kent Nelson, aka Dr. Fate of the JSA. The Medusa Masks portrayed emotional 212 00:19:59,522 --> 00:20:04,604 expressions that were projected onto anyone who saw them. You can learn more about Dr. 213 00:20:04,644 --> 00:20:11,547 Fate in his duel episode with Dr. Strange. Charles died soon after, and Roger, who had been sentenced 214 00:20:11,647 --> 00:20:17,190 to a year in prison for attacking his father, an emotionally abusive psychiatrist, was set 215 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:23,412 free. Roger was eventually able to acquire the Medusa Masks, which he used successfully to 216 00:20:23,432 --> 00:20:29,184 commit crimes as the new Psycho Pirates. It wasn't long before Roger decided to melt and 217 00:20:29,364 --> 00:20:35,348 merge the masks into a single, all-powerful Medusa mask, allowing him to manipulate others 218 00:20:35,408 --> 00:20:41,492 across the broad spectrum of emotions without having to change masks. Confronted by the JSA, 219 00:20:41,852 --> 00:20:46,976 Psycho Pirate soon realized that merging the masks had corrupted their magic, resulting 220 00:20:47,036 --> 00:20:52,560 in him being able to, and needing to, feed on others' emotions, otherwise he would succumb 221 00:20:52,580 --> 00:20:58,408 to mental anguish. Thanks to Dr. Fate, The GSA was able to imprison Psycho Pirate, who was 222 00:20:58,468 --> 00:21:03,553 later broken out of jail by the Ultrahumanite, so that he could join a secret society of supervillains. 223 00:21:03,893 --> 00:21:09,678 Over time, Psycho Pirate was driven insane by the pain of needing to feed on emotions, though 224 00:21:09,698 --> 00:21:15,523 he was eventually cured by the multiversal overseer known as the Monitor, who had recruited Psycho 225 00:21:15,543 --> 00:21:20,788 Pirate and other heroes and villains to save the multiverse from his brother, the Anti-Monitor, 226 00:21:21,128 --> 00:21:26,693 who was destroying it. The Anti-Monitor kidnapped Psycho-Pirate, however, and after being promised 227 00:21:26,753 --> 00:21:32,778 an entire world of beings whose emotions he could toy with and drain, Psycho-Pirate manipulated 228 00:21:32,818 --> 00:21:39,364 the Monitor's champions and at one point was able to manipulate entire universes. This proved 229 00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:45,389 to be too taxing over time, however, and resulted in Psycho-Pirate losing his powers. After the 230 00:21:45,469 --> 00:21:51,278 Anti-Monitor's defeat, the multiverse was merged into a single universe in which Roger, was 231 00:21:51,318 --> 00:21:57,021 confined to Arkham Asylum, driven insane after being connected to the minds of so many beings 232 00:21:57,421 --> 00:22:01,683 as well as being one of the few in existence to remember the multiversal crisis and the 233 00:22:01,743 --> 00:22:08,387 existence of past universes. PsychoPirate eventually escaped Arkham with help from a fifth dimensional 234 00:22:08,427 --> 00:22:13,710 genie known as a Thunderbolt, and was able to purge his memories of the past multiverse through 235 00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:15,851 the Thunderbolt's electroshock treatments. 236 00:22:20,758 --> 00:22:26,242 the teams of Infinity Inc and the Outsiders, Psycho Pirate was imprisoned once again. The 237 00:22:26,282 --> 00:22:32,367 Thunderbolts therapy eventually wore off, however, and Roger's pre-crisis memories returned. The 238 00:22:32,507 --> 00:22:37,651 strain of remembering so many lives that had been lost caused Psycho Pirate's Medusa mask 239 00:22:37,912 --> 00:22:43,416 to manifest the fallen characters, returning them to life. The characters eventually discovered, 240 00:22:43,456 --> 00:22:46,398 though, that not only were they illusions created by 241 00:22:50,582 --> 00:22:55,824 With help from Animal Man, the characters and Psycho Pirate were put at ease and faded from 242 00:22:55,884 --> 00:23:01,666 existence. The Medusa mask, however, did not disappear and bounced from Arkham Asylum to 243 00:23:01,686 --> 00:23:07,529 the Outsiders and the Suicide Squad. When the Archdemon Neron unleashed the underworld on 244 00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:12,731 Earth, it was revealed that Psycho Pirate had been residing in Limbo, and he agreed to sell 245 00:23:12,751 --> 00:23:18,594 his soul to Neron in exchange for life and power. While Neron was on Earth, The Psycho Pirate 246 00:23:18,614 --> 00:23:24,477 was able to transform the Medusa Mask into an eye patch and remained sane. Upon Neiron's 247 00:23:24,497 --> 00:23:30,340 defeat, however, the Medusa Mask returned to its earlier state as did Psycho Pirate's mind 248 00:23:30,540 --> 00:23:36,264 over time, remembering pre-crisis events and characters. It was the return of Psycho Pirate's 249 00:23:36,364 --> 00:23:42,067 memories that caused him to realize that he and Power Girl, originally Earth-2's Supergirl, 250 00:23:42,427 --> 00:23:48,991 were the only two survivors of Earth-2 in the new You can learn more about Power Girl in 251 00:23:49,011 --> 00:23:55,075 our Power Girl vs Valkyrie episode. After failing to get Power Girl to join his cause in helping 252 00:23:55,215 --> 00:24:01,499 Alexander Luther of Earth 3 to restore the multiverse, the emotionless Black Adam straight up killed 253 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:07,664 Psycho Pirate by shoving his fingers through his face, and the Teen Titan Raven later destroyed 254 00:24:07,744 --> 00:24:13,288 the Medusa Mask. That is until the Blackest Night, when zombified heroes and villains returned 255 00:24:13,308 --> 00:24:18,188 from the dead to kill all life in the universe. With the Medusa mask constructed from his black 256 00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:23,892 ring, Psycho Pirate pit Superman and Superboy against each other, though once Superboy managed 257 00:24:23,973 --> 00:24:29,477 to steal the black Medusa mask and use it against the black lanterns, Psycho Pirate and the others 258 00:24:29,557 --> 00:24:35,723 returned to inanimate corpses. When the Flash reset DC's continuity in a Flashpoint event, 259 00:24:36,163 --> 00:24:40,767 Roger Hayden was one of twenty humans that were captured and experimented on by the villain 260 00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:46,304 Brainiac, giving them psychic abilities. While hunted by the Hive Queen, another member of 261 00:24:46,364 --> 00:24:51,908 the Twenty, Roger sought and fought the Medusa Mask, which was now simply an artifact capable 262 00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:58,154 of blocking out psychic attacks and manipulations from others. After Psycho-Pirate attacked Metropolis, 263 00:24:58,534 --> 00:25:04,439 Superman destroyed the Medusa Mask, causing Roger to flee. This was later retconned when 264 00:25:04,479 --> 00:25:10,104 DC's pre- and post-Flashpoint timelines merged, resulting in a rebirth of DC's continuity. 265 00:25:10,585 --> 00:25:15,727 The villain Bane... who you can learn more about in our Bane vs Iron Fist episode, captured 266 00:25:15,808 --> 00:25:20,470 Psycho Pirate and forced him to use his powers to help Bane overcome his childhood trauma 267 00:25:20,850 --> 00:25:26,793 and addiction to the Venom steroid. Batman managed to abduct Psycho Pirate and kept his Medusa 268 00:25:26,813 --> 00:25:31,695 mask in the Batcave, where it later brought back to life old characters that had not yet 269 00:25:31,795 --> 00:25:37,078 been reintroduced to continuity, such as Jay Garrick the Flash. as well as characters from 270 00:25:37,158 --> 00:25:43,461 alternate universes such as the Flashpoint Thomas Wayne version of Batman. Now powers-wise, Psycho 271 00:25:43,501 --> 00:25:49,423 Pirate is typically shown as having no natural superhuman abilities other than a master understanding 272 00:25:49,483 --> 00:25:55,786 of human emotion and manipulation. When donning the Medusa Mask, Psycho Pirate is able to project 273 00:25:55,846 --> 00:26:02,628 emotions onto others, often by magically manifesting objects or beings that cause a person to feel 274 00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:08,711 a specific emotion. For example, If you wanted to instill fear in you, Joseph, he'd create 275 00:26:08,951 --> 00:26:14,193 a spider on the wall right behind you! Okay, didn't work! Or if you wanted to instill joy 276 00:26:14,253 --> 00:26:20,716 in me, he'd create a spider on the wall right behind you! Damn it! Maybe don't have a big 277 00:26:20,836 --> 00:26:26,959 smile on your face when you're saying this, because then it's not believable. Fuck! Now 278 00:26:26,979 --> 00:26:31,801 the Medusa Mask can also create characters from universes or timelines that have been destroyed. 279 00:26:32,222 --> 00:26:37,023 It can create illusions that can disguise Psycho Pirate or create false duplicates of himself. 280 00:26:37,543 --> 00:26:42,465 He does have several weaknesses, however. One being that he's insane, and the other that 281 00:26:42,525 --> 00:26:48,447 he begins to feel psychic pain if he's not around others with emotions. That's Psycho Pirate. 282 00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:53,968 So the purpose of his illusions are more to elicit a certain fear, as opposed to like a 283 00:26:54,028 --> 00:26:59,806 broad illusion casting ability that has nothing to do with empathy. Oh, it's not specific to 284 00:26:59,846 --> 00:27:05,749 fear. He's not a mind reader and he can't quite control the things that are created. It's more 285 00:27:05,809 --> 00:27:10,892 about the other person manifesting things that would make them feel an emotion that he wants 286 00:27:10,912 --> 00:27:16,614 them to feel. Wait, so it's the victim that's manifesting the illusion. So the mask has some 287 00:27:16,634 --> 00:27:21,817 kind of psychic ability that can read the victim's mind. Exactly. Kind of like Mirage. Yeah. Yeah, 288 00:27:21,937 --> 00:27:26,351 actually just like that. Yeah, Mirage doesn't necessarily know what illusion she's going 289 00:27:26,391 --> 00:27:31,634 to create. She just has the ability to manifest an illusion of the victim's greatest fear. 290 00:27:32,294 --> 00:27:36,596 You can learn more about Mirage in our Arrowette versus Mirage Duel episode. But it sounds like 291 00:27:36,636 --> 00:27:41,499 those two characters are kind of similar. Yeah, yeah, you could say that. And to be fair, Mastermind 292 00:27:41,539 --> 00:27:46,001 is also very similar. So that's good. Let me go ahead and get into his backstory and tell 293 00:27:46,021 --> 00:27:51,165 you all about him. Little is known about the early life of Jason Wingard, as it's believed 294 00:27:51,205 --> 00:27:56,969 that name is as false as the man himself. Prior to being discovered by Magneto working as a 295 00:27:57,029 --> 00:28:02,113 carnival mentalist, all that was known of the man named Jason was that he lived a life of 296 00:28:02,153 --> 00:28:06,877 deception through his mutant ability to cast telepathic illusions that causes victims to 297 00:28:06,897 --> 00:28:11,841 see whatever he wished them to see. Spurred by malice and hatred, plus his desire to be 298 00:28:11,861 --> 00:28:16,815 with the Scarlet Witch, Jason joined Magneto's Brotherhood of Mutants team and their goal 299 00:28:16,915 --> 00:28:21,757 of mutant superiority through the subjugation of humanity. He proved instrumental in the 300 00:28:21,797 --> 00:28:26,799 Brotherhood's first mission when they captured the entire South American nation of Santo Marco, 301 00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:31,961 with help from Jason's illusion that they had thousands of soldiers on their side. It was 302 00:28:32,041 --> 00:28:37,423 there that the Brotherhood first clashed with the X-Men, a team of mutant heroes who opposed 303 00:28:37,483 --> 00:28:42,765 Magneto's agenda. You can learn more about the X-Men in our Titans vs X-Men Team Duel episode. 304 00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:47,651 and more about the Brotherhood in their duel against the Rogues. The Brotherhood and X-Men 305 00:28:47,671 --> 00:28:52,312 would repeatedly clash over the years, and Mastermind would employ such illusions against them as 306 00:28:52,412 --> 00:28:56,753 flames, duplicates of himself, or he would just use his trusty handgun that he always carried 307 00:28:56,793 --> 00:29:01,295 with him. The Brotherhood was often defeated, however, and the frustrated Jason joined a 308 00:29:01,475 --> 00:29:07,056 new group of mutants bent on world domination called Factor III, alongside other X-Men enemies 309 00:29:07,176 --> 00:29:13,134 as the Blob, Vanisher, Eunice the Untouchable, and Changeling. They planned to instigate a 310 00:29:13,215 --> 00:29:17,558 nuclear war between the United States and Russia, however when it was revealed that the team 311 00:29:17,598 --> 00:29:23,342 leader Mutant Master was an extraterrestrial, Factor 3 and the X-Men united to defeat him. 312 00:29:23,783 --> 00:29:29,167 At one point, Mastermind teamed up with the Sentry villain known as the General to implant 313 00:29:29,207 --> 00:29:34,451 the illusion in the hero's mind that he should no longer use his powers. You can learn more 314 00:29:34,491 --> 00:29:39,438 about the Sentry in our duel episode where we pit him against Zod. Later, a secret group 315 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:44,839 of influential mutants called the Hellfire Club invited Jason to join their inner circle, seeing 316 00:29:44,859 --> 00:29:50,021 his power set as a valuable asset for their agenda to amass greater wealth and power. You 317 00:29:50,041 --> 00:29:54,182 can learn more about the Hellfire Club and their tradition of codenaming their highest ranking 318 00:29:54,222 --> 00:30:00,564 members as chess pieces in our Poison Ivy vs White Queen Emma Frost duel episode. To prove 319 00:30:00,604 --> 00:30:06,054 his worth to the Hellfire Club, Jason set out to manipulate the X-Men member Jane and turn 320 00:30:06,094 --> 00:30:11,855 her into the Inner Circle's Black Queen. He wasn't aware, however, that at that time, Jean 321 00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:17,257 Grey was actually a manifestation of the cosmic entity called the Phoenix Force, who had taken 322 00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:23,279 on the appearance of Jean in order to experience new sensations. Jason exploited her mind into 323 00:30:23,339 --> 00:30:28,600 joining the Hellfire Club, though the X-Men leader Cyclops tried to intervene. When Jason 324 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:34,526 cast an illusion to the Phoenix Force that he killed Cyclops, whom she loved, he inadvertently 325 00:30:34,646 --> 00:30:39,370 unleashed her fury and transformed her into the Dark Phoenix, which you can learn more 326 00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:44,754 about in our Raven versus Phoenix episode. In retaliation for Jason's manipulation, the Phoenix 327 00:30:44,794 --> 00:30:50,418 Force opened his mind for a moment to the vastness of the universe, driving him insane. He was 328 00:30:50,478 --> 00:30:55,061 rejected from the Hellfire Club and taken to Bellevue Hospital for psychiatric recovery. 329 00:30:55,861 --> 00:31:00,545 Upon being released several years later, he set about getting revenge on the Inner Circle 330 00:31:00,805 --> 00:31:06,383 and the X-Men. He attacked Emma Frost, putting her into a coma. He created a rift between 331 00:31:06,443 --> 00:31:11,845 Rogue and her adoptive mother Mystique. And he got Wolverine's fiancee, Mariko Yashida, 332 00:31:12,005 --> 00:31:17,807 to call off their wedding. Finally, he convinced the X-Men that Cyclops' new fiance, Madeline 333 00:31:17,847 --> 00:31:23,829 Pryor, was the Dark Phoenix, hoping to get them to kill her. However, Cyclops discovered Jason's 334 00:31:23,869 --> 00:31:29,392 deception, and the X-Men defeated him. Eventually, Jason discovered he had contracted the Legacy 335 00:31:29,432 --> 00:31:34,175 Virus, a disease lethal to mutants that was unleashed by Cable's clone from the future 336 00:31:34,355 --> 00:31:39,519 named Strife. Jason's legacy was carried on, however, by several of his estranged daughters, 337 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:45,903 two of whom inherited his illusion casting abilities and took his codename of Mastermind. His first 338 00:31:45,963 --> 00:31:51,307 daughter, Martinique Wingard, was hired by the villain Arcade to frame Wolverine for the murder 339 00:31:51,347 --> 00:31:56,238 of several women in London. She turned on Arcade, however, whom you can learn more about in our 340 00:31:56,258 --> 00:32:01,642 Riddler vs Arcade duel, and later joined Mystique's Brotherhood of Mutants team. Martinique was 341 00:32:01,682 --> 00:32:07,186 eventually incarcerated and forced to join a new team called X-Core, led by the former X-Men 342 00:32:07,206 --> 00:32:12,490 member Banshee, who felt the best approach to achieve Professor X's dream of peaceful coexistence 343 00:32:12,530 --> 00:32:17,133 between humans and mutants was to have a mutant police force to regulate the activities of 344 00:32:17,213 --> 00:32:22,176 other mutants. However, it was revealed that Banshee was using Martinique's illusion casting 345 00:32:22,216 --> 00:32:27,280 powers to placate the more villainous quote unquote reformed members of the team. After 346 00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:32,623 the revelation of this news, the X-Core was disbanded. Jason's other daughter and Martinique's 347 00:32:32,703 --> 00:32:38,487 half-sister was named Regenwingard. She was hired by Sebastian Shaw, the Black King of 348 00:32:38,507 --> 00:32:44,131 the Hellfire Club, to manipulate the mutant Sage into betraying the X-Win and compelling 349 00:32:44,231 --> 00:32:49,338 Rogue to attack her teammates by making her see them as someone else. Eventually her illusions 350 00:32:49,378 --> 00:32:53,820 were turned back on Regan, leaving her in a vegetative state. She was taken in and cared 351 00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:59,322 for by the X-Men, and when she recovered, she ended up joining the team for a time. However, 352 00:32:59,362 --> 00:33:03,684 it turned out to all be a ruse in coordination with the villains Mr. Sinister and Mystique, 353 00:33:04,004 --> 00:33:07,746 and Regan revealed a team of mutant villains that she had been concealing this whole time 354 00:33:07,786 --> 00:33:13,128 called the Marauders, who went on to attack and capture some of the X-Men heroes. The X-Men 355 00:33:13,168 --> 00:33:17,570 later fought back against Mr. Sinister, and Wolverine stabbed Regan. taking her out of 356 00:33:17,610 --> 00:33:22,394 commission for a time. You can learn more about Mr. Sinister in his duel against the Ultra-Humanite. 357 00:33:22,855 --> 00:33:28,499 Eventually, both sisters, Martinique and Regan, joined the Sisterhood of Mutants, led by Jean 358 00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:34,224 Grey's clone and Cyclops' former fiancee, Madeleine Pryor, who was after Jean Grey's DNA in order 359 00:33:34,264 --> 00:33:39,028 to form herself a new body. Though the team was unsuccessful, the sisters soon learned 360 00:33:39,068 --> 00:33:44,793 that Jason had another daughter named Pixie, who had wings and could emit hallucinogenic 361 00:33:44,893 --> 00:33:50,436 dust. The three sisters worked together to defeat a horde of demons and then parted ways, with 362 00:33:50,496 --> 00:33:56,920 Pixie remaining with the X-Men. Afterward, Regan ended up contracting MPOX, which was another 363 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,782 disease that mutants were susceptible to after the release of the Terrigan Mists in the Earth's 364 00:34:01,862 --> 00:34:06,605 atmosphere by the Inhuman King Black Bolt, whom you can learn more about in our Shazam vs. 365 00:34:06,645 --> 00:34:11,815 Black Bolt duel episode. The mutant known as Mirage, another illusionist, convinced Regan 366 00:34:11,855 --> 00:34:17,637 to seek treatment at the X-Men healing facility set up by Storm called X-Haven. When Professor 367 00:34:17,797 --> 00:34:22,319 X and Magneto founded a home for mutants on the sentient island nation of Krakoa, they 368 00:34:22,359 --> 00:34:27,621 established a process for resurrecting mutants using a combination of mutant powers, including 369 00:34:27,781 --> 00:34:34,124 mass generation, reality warping, time manipulation, and genetic and psychic archiving. Using a 370 00:34:34,204 --> 00:34:40,168 DNA sample from Jason, they were able to bring Mastermind back to life after he had succumbed 371 00:34:40,228 --> 00:34:45,753 to the legacy virus years ago. He ended up partnering with the villain Mr. Sinister, helping him 372 00:34:45,813 --> 00:34:51,058 keep secret a clone farm that he had set up behind the Krakoan Council's back. You can 373 00:34:51,078 --> 00:34:56,424 learn more about Krakoa in his duel against Danny the Street. Powers-wise, Mastermind has 374 00:34:56,444 --> 00:35:01,829 the mutant ability to cast psychic illusions. His illusions affect all the senses of his 375 00:35:01,869 --> 00:35:07,636 victims. making them able to see, hear, smell, touch, and even taste what is projected into 376 00:35:07,676 --> 00:35:12,399 their minds. This not only lets Mastermind alter his opponent's perception of their environment, 377 00:35:12,839 --> 00:35:18,102 but also their perception of him. These illusions are so strong that even if a person is consciously 378 00:35:18,162 --> 00:35:23,506 aware that they're inside of an illusion, their mind will still react to it as if it were reality. 379 00:35:23,946 --> 00:35:28,769 He can extend his illusions to affect up to an entire city, and the more intelligent the 380 00:35:28,809 --> 00:35:33,670 victim, the greater the effect. His one weakness is that he has to keep his concentration in 381 00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:38,352 order to maintain his illusions, leaving him vulnerable to people who aren't under his influence. 382 00:35:38,892 --> 00:35:44,693 Finally, Mastermind carries a regular handgun, and he will shoot your ass. How's that for 383 00:35:44,734 --> 00:35:52,136 a superpower? Pfft, I'm not scared! You're bringing a gun to a mask fight, bro! Hahaha! Now Mastermind 384 00:35:52,176 --> 00:35:57,077 was in the movie X-Men 2, right? Like there was a character, there was a combination between 385 00:35:57,177 --> 00:36:02,363 Mastermind and Legion. Yeah, he was William Stryker's son. He was in a wheelchair and he 386 00:36:02,463 --> 00:36:08,165 basically manipulated Professor X to use Cerebro in Stryker's plan to kill all mutants on Earth. 387 00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:13,847 This version of Mastermind in the movie was very different from the comics version. The 388 00:36:13,887 --> 00:36:18,449 comics version isn't in a wheelchair. He doesn't have two different color eyes and he's not 389 00:36:18,489 --> 00:36:23,539 the son of William Stryker. Gotcha. Okay. But he was pretty twisted in that movie. I remember 390 00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:27,963 Striker saying that his wife ended up killing himself with a drill to the temple in order 391 00:36:28,003 --> 00:36:32,708 to bore the images out that Mastermind was casting in there. So he's a pretty kind of scary villain, 392 00:36:32,848 --> 00:36:34,769 actually. Not a scary psycho pirate. 393 00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:48,056 fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare yourself 394 00:36:48,276 --> 00:36:54,383 for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The Dynomic Podcast 395 00:36:54,443 --> 00:37:01,606 Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. Comic Book 396 00:37:01,646 --> 00:37:07,788 Titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where TV and action heroes battle every Wednesday. 397 00:37:08,368 --> 00:37:14,290 And Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on 398 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:20,012 the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. 399 00:37:20,532 --> 00:37:24,813 Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 400 00:37:29,198 --> 00:37:33,221 But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 401 00:37:33,261 --> 00:37:39,206 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not this speculation, 402 00:37:39,506 --> 00:37:45,291 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 403 00:37:46,071 --> 00:37:50,075 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge 404 00:37:50,095 --> 00:37:54,498 of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other 405 00:37:54,538 --> 00:37:59,618 character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... contestants will begin 406 00:37:59,638 --> 00:38:04,700 approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the 407 00:38:04,740 --> 00:38:10,083 match itself as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations the contestants 408 00:38:10,123 --> 00:38:15,185 must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. Psycho pirate and mastermind 409 00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:21,488 to meet on the battlefield who goes first? This is gonna be hard I feel like but I'm gonna 410 00:38:21,508 --> 00:38:28,059 say that psycho pirate goes first cuz he's just crazy So he'll probably want to scare Mastermind 411 00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:33,043 right away, you know, in order to feed off of his fear. So Psycho Pirate starts by making 412 00:38:33,103 --> 00:38:40,189 Mastermind see a series of mirrors surround him, showing him grotesque exaggerated reflections 413 00:38:40,429 --> 00:38:46,614 of his own creepy ass face. That makes sense because Mastermind is notoriously ugly in the 414 00:38:46,654 --> 00:38:51,518 comics and he often cloaks his appearance with an illusion to make others see him as more 415 00:38:51,658 --> 00:38:56,270 handsome. So he's kind of insecure about that. I feel like that's a good start. So he's gonna 416 00:38:56,350 --> 00:39:01,671 see his hideous form and he's gonna be like, eeeeh, and he's gonna cast an illusion of darkness 417 00:39:01,851 --> 00:39:05,692 around the whole environment so that he can't see himself and other people can't see him 418 00:39:05,732 --> 00:39:12,894 either. Wait, wait, so Psycho Pirate can't see? Exactly. Okay, uh, fuck. In the comics, when 419 00:39:12,954 --> 00:39:18,296 Psycho Pirate wants to cast an emotion upon someone, like you see that emotion form on 420 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:23,857 his Medusa mask, which is normally blank. I'm not sure if people need to see that in order 421 00:39:23,917 --> 00:39:31,003 to feel the emotion. or if like the magic of the mask projects that emotion on them regardless. 422 00:39:31,023 --> 00:39:36,985 Well, it's called the Medusa mask, right? That's that's true. You probably have to see the mask 423 00:39:37,025 --> 00:39:42,246 in order to be affected by it. So that would actually make this darkness illusion probably 424 00:39:42,286 --> 00:39:46,987 much more effective than you realized it would be. I don't really think Psycho Pirate can 425 00:39:47,048 --> 00:39:51,289 do anything about it either. So I guess it's still your move. OK. All right. All right. 426 00:39:51,329 --> 00:39:55,670 So the darkness is there. And then suddenly the lights come back on. and Psycho Pirate 427 00:39:55,690 --> 00:40:01,071 finds himself in a medieval torture chamber illusion and he's strapped to like this torture 428 00:40:01,091 --> 00:40:07,773 rack where this executioner guy is slowly stretching Psycho Pirate and Psycho Pirate's in a tremendous 429 00:40:07,813 --> 00:40:14,555 amount of pain actually believing that he's being stretched. Oh okay uh wow uh can Mastermind 430 00:40:14,715 --> 00:40:20,897 see what's happening to Psycho Pirate? Yeah yeah actually he's in disguise as the executioner 431 00:40:21,037 --> 00:40:26,407 I'm gonna say. Sweet okay. Now, even though Psycho Pirate is in like an extreme amount 432 00:40:26,447 --> 00:40:33,130 of pain, his Medusa Mask has a smile on its face, which causes a bunch of feathers to dance 433 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:38,792 around Mastermind, tickling him and making him laugh and be happy, which breaks his concentration 434 00:40:38,832 --> 00:40:43,574 and causes him to drop the illusion. Tickling? What's the stupidest thing I've ever heard 435 00:40:43,614 --> 00:40:50,377 of? Hey, don't tell me that! Tell Mastermind! So, Psycho Pirate is back on his feet and Mastermind 436 00:40:50,477 --> 00:40:57,162 is just giggling like an idiot. Wait, so Mastermind is being tickled because the Medusa mask conjured 437 00:40:57,242 --> 00:41:02,247 up a way for him to be happy, and that's what happened? Yeah, that's how he feels he would 438 00:41:02,287 --> 00:41:08,893 be happy, by being tickled. Okay. Hahaha. Stupid. So Mastermind is probably wondering what the 439 00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:14,258 fuck's going on as he's being tickled. Uh, yeah, the illusion drops. He's probably gonna assume 440 00:41:14,298 --> 00:41:20,158 that the feathers that are tickling him have manifested- due to his opponent. So he's gonna 441 00:41:20,318 --> 00:41:24,600 try as he can to fight through the silliness and he's gonna cast a bunch of duplicates of 442 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:30,443 himself, like 20 duplicates around the battlefield who aren't being tickled and they surround 443 00:41:30,483 --> 00:41:35,865 Psycho Pirate in like this circle. And this is gonna cause the feathers to disappear since 444 00:41:35,965 --> 00:41:41,327 Psycho Pirate believes that there's suddenly a lot more opponents to contend with. Interesting, 445 00:41:41,547 --> 00:41:46,289 okay. So Psycho Pirate, you know, he's probably gonna try and defend himself from the horde 446 00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:51,531 of masterminds. by making them feel wrath and just start attacking each other. But of course, 447 00:41:51,551 --> 00:41:56,212 this obviously isn't going to work because they're not real. Right. And he's going to realize 448 00:41:56,252 --> 00:42:00,173 that he's going to realize that they must be fake because, you know, his mask can affect 449 00:42:00,373 --> 00:42:06,515 even beings as powerful as the specter. Now, this wrath is going to affect the real mastermind, 450 00:42:06,975 --> 00:42:11,917 and he's just going to run into the circle of illusion duplicates that he created and try 451 00:42:11,937 --> 00:42:16,991 to start physically attacking Psycho Pirate. But before he can. Psycho pirate switches from 452 00:42:17,051 --> 00:42:22,996 inciting wrath to inciting trust. Not before mastermind shoot psycho pirate with his handgun 453 00:42:23,256 --> 00:42:31,823 in all of his wrath. An illusion bullet or a real one? Straight up real ass bullet. Psycho 454 00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:37,647 pirate gets shot. Too bad mastermind aimed for psycho pirate's head because that bullet just 455 00:42:37,688 --> 00:42:46,026 bounced right off of the Medusa mask. So psycho pirate is shocked, but he's not dead. unconscious 456 00:42:46,066 --> 00:42:50,968 if he was shot in the mask. Yeah, it's like made of magic metal. He's been shot in the 457 00:42:50,988 --> 00:42:58,791 mask before. Really? Yeah. So now that Psycho Pirate knows Mastermind has a gun, uh, that's 458 00:42:58,811 --> 00:43:05,234 when he's going to project severe depression and just cause Mastermind to, you know, unalive 459 00:43:05,254 --> 00:43:13,217 himself with his own gun. Jeez. That's dark. That's real dark. You must be from the DC universe. 460 00:43:13,577 --> 00:43:19,215 Um. Except by this point, I'm gonna say Mastermind is pretty much onto Psycho Pirate's powers 461 00:43:19,255 --> 00:43:26,257 of emotional manipulation. So, before Psycho Pirate makes Mastermind depressed, Mastermind 462 00:43:26,297 --> 00:43:30,958 is gonna cast an illusion of like a thick cloud of gas to hide himself. And Psycho Pirate's 463 00:43:30,998 --> 00:43:36,580 gonna see it as poison gas. He's gonna think it's poison gas, so Psycho Pirate's gonna choke 464 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,801 on it and die. In reality, just choking on, you know, the air or his own spit or something. 465 00:43:42,782 --> 00:43:47,804 How would Psycho Pirate know if a gas he's breathing in is poisonous? Because it looks poisonous, 466 00:43:47,844 --> 00:43:51,566 you know, it's gonna be like a green gas that smells like sulfur or something like that. 467 00:43:51,586 --> 00:43:58,089 Okay. But, I mean, it's not real poisonous gas. So, you know, Psycho Pirate's just gonna wake 468 00:43:58,169 --> 00:44:04,932 up while he's on the ground and realize he wasn't really choking. So now he's pissed and he's 469 00:44:04,952 --> 00:44:11,050 gonna project the Earth-2 versions of the entire Justice Society. You know, like Dr. Fate, Hawkman, 470 00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:16,454 Green Lantern, all the badasses. And they're just going to straight up beat Mastermind to 471 00:44:16,494 --> 00:44:22,257 death. What does the justice society have to do with emotions? They don't, but he can also 472 00:44:22,437 --> 00:44:30,322 manifest beings who died in like past dead universes. OK, and these projections are real or they're 473 00:44:30,362 --> 00:44:37,914 illusions? They are illusions, but they are solid. They're solid constructs. OK, so. Mastermind 474 00:44:37,974 --> 00:44:42,636 sees the Justice Society and before he gets beaten up, he casts an illusion of the X-Men. 475 00:44:43,097 --> 00:44:47,399 And the X-Men are gonna beat the shit out of Psycho-Pirate, or you know, that's what Psycho-Pirate 476 00:44:47,439 --> 00:44:52,002 experiences anyway. And he's just gonna die from the pain of being beat up by the X-Men. 477 00:44:52,182 --> 00:44:57,004 Illusion X-Men. And I think that's the perfect place to end the match. Either Mastermind gets 478 00:44:57,064 --> 00:45:03,788 beat up by the projections of the Justice Society, or Psycho-Pirate's mind succumbs to the pain 479 00:45:03,988 --> 00:45:08,963 of being beat up by illusions of the X-Men. Alright yeah, that's a great place to leave 480 00:45:09,064 --> 00:45:12,807 off. Let's go ahead and find out which of these scenarios happens by inputting the character's 481 00:45:12,847 --> 00:45:19,073 stats, running the simulations, and coming back with a winner. AJ9K, hit it! Inputting data. 482 00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:26,480 Running calculations. Processing results. Simulations complete. Now should we have run stats on the 483 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:34,370 JSA vs the X-Men for this particular speculation? Oh jeez, no. No, we just ran the stats between 484 00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:39,294 Mastermind and PsychoPirate and let me tell you, these guys are not impressive statistically. 485 00:45:39,774 --> 00:45:46,018 No, they are super weak, which surprised me honestly because PsychoPirate is kind of a 486 00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:53,023 big deal in DC somewhat. Like he always seems to be involved in some crisis or another. But 487 00:45:53,063 --> 00:45:57,666 yeah, statistically, not impressive. I mean, they're average when it comes to things like 488 00:45:57,786 --> 00:46:03,862 speed, durability, strength, fighting skill, intelligence. You know, these guys were pretty 489 00:46:03,902 --> 00:46:09,104 basic. Where they both kind of shine though, is more along the lines of evasiveness, range 490 00:46:09,344 --> 00:46:14,647 and versatility. They're really more about like manipulating things than actually doing damage 491 00:46:14,687 --> 00:46:20,109 to them. Right, exactly. But when it came to things like range and evasiveness, we did give 492 00:46:20,249 --> 00:46:25,472 Mastermind the slight edge. Considering the fact that yeah, we figured people probably 493 00:46:25,532 --> 00:46:31,195 do need to be looking at the Medusa mask for it to affect them. And outside of major feats 494 00:46:31,215 --> 00:46:36,561 like the crisis on infinite earths with affecting entire multiverses or the new 52 where Psycho 495 00:46:36,581 --> 00:46:41,886 Pirate was an actual psychic and that was retconned, Psycho Pirate really didn't have the same sort 496 00:46:41,926 --> 00:46:46,871 of common feats that Mastermind had when it came to affecting large groups of people. Psycho 497 00:46:46,912 --> 00:46:51,937 Pirate got the edge in perception though because he can actually sense people's emotions and 498 00:46:51,977 --> 00:46:56,881 then feed off of it. Right, and he also got a slight edge in intelligence despite being 499 00:46:57,061 --> 00:47:03,528 insane. He's still one of the foremost authorities on emotions and manipulation in DC. So taking 500 00:47:03,568 --> 00:47:08,572 all of this into account, Joseph, who do you think came out on top? I don't know. It's so 501 00:47:08,612 --> 00:47:13,297 hard to say. I mean, I think these characters were really hard to pin down statistically 502 00:47:13,417 --> 00:47:19,134 due to the nature of their powers. The speculation was actually really hard. As you guys know, 503 00:47:19,174 --> 00:47:22,917 we edit these episodes and if we didn't, you'd just hear long pauses as we were trying to 504 00:47:22,937 --> 00:47:27,019 figure out what the heck to do. Which is strange considering that conceptually these guys can 505 00:47:27,060 --> 00:47:32,203 do so many different things, but it's hard to conceptualize a battle between two illusion 506 00:47:32,243 --> 00:47:36,806 casters and how that would affect each other kind of, you know? Yeah. So feeling so in the 507 00:47:36,866 --> 00:47:41,309 dark on all of this, I think I'm just going to go with my gut and choose Mastermind as 508 00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:47,013 my guess for who's going to win. Instagram does not agree with me. 69% of our poll takers there. 509 00:47:47,554 --> 00:47:51,997 believe that Psycho Pirate is actually going to take this one. And that actually surprised 510 00:47:52,057 --> 00:47:57,282 me because I don't think Psycho Pirate is that much more popular than Mastermind, you know, 511 00:47:57,322 --> 00:48:03,628 considering Mastermind was sort of in an X-Men movie. I kind of chalked this up to not only 512 00:48:03,828 --> 00:48:08,632 Psycho Pirate's involvement with major crises that kind of, you know, make him feel bigger 513 00:48:08,652 --> 00:48:14,277 than he actually is, but also because he kind of looks like Iron Man in like a medieval jester 514 00:48:14,337 --> 00:48:20,469 costume. Mastermind probably has the worst supervillain costume in all of Marvel comics. It's really 515 00:48:20,509 --> 00:48:27,552 bad. He basically just wears like a brown sack, so he's not impressive looking visually. Well, 516 00:48:27,572 --> 00:48:34,636 let's see if he's impressive in his win rate. AJ 9K, the results, please. Hey, Yuasa. The 517 00:48:34,676 --> 00:48:44,606 winner of the matchup between Psycho Pirate and Mastermind is. Psycho Pirate. Okay, barely. 518 00:48:44,626 --> 00:48:52,172 By how much? PsychoPirate won 517 of the 1000 matches compared to Mastermind who won 483. 519 00:48:53,993 --> 00:49:01,659 So it's 51.7% compared to 48.3% of the total matches. That's pretty close. Yeah, it was 520 00:49:01,699 --> 00:49:06,662 really close. It's pretty much a coin toss, tit for tat. Less no fun. You know, you would 521 00:49:06,682 --> 00:49:11,530 think for characters that have vaguely similar power sets, but are entirely different. There'd 522 00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:15,392 be a greater discrepancy in the win rate, but I guess this was maybe just a better match 523 00:49:15,412 --> 00:49:20,076 than we thought. Apparently, and you were really scared when we got into the main event. Yeah, 524 00:49:20,096 --> 00:49:23,658 I guess I shouldn't have been though. I should have trusted my own judgment. Or Miggies, whoever 525 00:49:23,698 --> 00:49:27,041 thought of this matchup. Yeah, it was pretty interesting. It was pretty fun to try and come 526 00:49:27,081 --> 00:49:31,163 up with the speculation. I thought it was going to be so much more interesting. I'm actually 527 00:49:31,183 --> 00:49:36,207 a little bit disappointed in myself, but it was really hard to combat how PsychoPirate 528 00:49:36,507 --> 00:49:42,319 kept making Mastermind feel certain emotions, you know? It was fun. Tickle, tickle, tickle. 529 00:49:42,379 --> 00:49:49,625 Stupid. I tell you what, though, you tickle me. I'm not experiencing joy. I'm experiencing 530 00:49:49,805 --> 00:49:55,170 pure rage. That's how you listen to your rage out of me. But that does it for this duel, 531 00:49:55,190 --> 00:50:00,734 guys. Let us know what you thought about the results by writing to us at dyna or by visiting 532 00:50:00,814 --> 00:50:04,757 us on Instagram, which you can find a link to on our show notes or by going to our website 533 00:50:04,937 --> 00:50:10,226 at dynamicduel.com. 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I have not seen it yet because it actually comes out the 540 00:50:42,643 --> 00:50:47,046 day we released this episode, but Psycho Pirate is a character in there and I'm looking forward 541 00:50:47,066 --> 00:50:51,009 to watching it. I really liked what they did with the first one. Yeah it was interesting. 542 00:50:51,489 --> 00:50:54,831 But that does it for this episode, we want to give a big thanks to our executive producers 543 00:50:55,171 --> 00:50:59,734 Ken Johnson, John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Mickey Mountain-Geehan, Brandon 544 00:50:59,754 --> 00:51:05,582 Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wiselowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho. Adam 545 00:51:05,622 --> 00:51:11,445 Spies, Andrew Shunk, Dean Molesky, and Devin Davis for helping make this podcast possible. 546 00:51:11,885 --> 00:51:15,287 And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers.