1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,374 --> 00:00:28,855 Welcome to the dynamic duel podcast a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:28,875 --> 00:00:34,677 the superiority between Marvel and DC By comparing their characters and stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:35,297 --> 00:00:40,839 I'm marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother Johnny DC And in this episode we're going to find 5 00:00:40,919 --> 00:00:46,780 out who would win in a fight between Sandman the Wesley Dodds version of the character against 6 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,643 Madame Webb the Julia carpenter version of the character Yeah, there's multiple iterations 7 00:00:52,803 --> 00:00:57,767 of these characters with the same names, but these two specific characters are pretty badass. 8 00:00:57,787 --> 00:01:02,371 They wear trench coats. They have premonitions. They knock other people unconscious. We thought 9 00:01:02,391 --> 00:01:06,734 it was a pretty good match up. And this, of course, is in lead up to our next episode, 10 00:01:07,135 --> 00:01:12,539 which is a review of the Dead Boy Detectives on Netflix, which takes place in the Sandman 11 00:01:12,639 --> 00:01:19,665 universe. A different Sandman. Right. But Wesley Dodds is like Sandman adjacent. It's... Don't 12 00:01:19,685 --> 00:01:24,760 worry about it. You'll learn all about it later on. Yeah, I mean, and also the Madame Web movie 13 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:29,283 came out a few months ago. So this is kind of timely. Yeah, I guess I forgot all about that 14 00:01:29,323 --> 00:01:33,725 movie. Before we get into that duel where we input the character statistics and run 1000 15 00:01:34,046 --> 00:01:38,008 simulations to find out who would win, we're going to break down the latest comic book movie 16 00:01:38,048 --> 00:01:43,851 news that came out this past week, of which there were two items, both DC animation related. 17 00:01:44,131 --> 00:01:49,206 We got the official trailer for My Adventures with Superman season two. and a teaser for 18 00:01:49,286 --> 00:01:53,930 Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 3. As always, we list our segment times in 19 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:57,632 our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead 20 00:01:57,652 --> 00:02:04,096 to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for 21 00:02:04,136 --> 00:02:10,847 our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there. 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On the Console Combat 37 00:03:48,215 --> 00:03:53,820 podcast, hosts John and Dean find out who would win in fights between popular video game characters. 38 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:58,744 In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win between Knuckles from the Sonic the Hedgehog 39 00:03:58,764 --> 00:04:05,136 games and Donkey Kong. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen 40 00:04:05,156 --> 00:04:10,820 to all the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the 41 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:17,665 no prize! A no prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic 42 00:04:17,705 --> 00:04:22,429 duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave 43 00:04:22,729 --> 00:04:27,912 the best answer to our question of the week. Last week as a tie-in to the Deadpool and Wolverine 44 00:04:27,972 --> 00:04:34,468 trailer, we asked... other than Wolverine, what Fox X-Men character do you most hope appears 45 00:04:34,848 --> 00:04:39,591 in Deadpool and Wolverine and why? And we got three answers so let's go ahead and run down 46 00:04:39,631 --> 00:04:43,933 our two honorable mentions as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes 47 00:04:43,993 --> 00:04:49,597 to Judson Batty who said, Hi guys Judson Batty here. In the last episode you called me a Brit. 48 00:04:49,817 --> 00:04:54,379 I'm actually Australian but whatever. I would say that the Fox X-Men character I want to 49 00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:59,354 come over the most is Caliban from Logan because I feel like he could really fit. the theme 50 00:04:59,374 --> 00:05:06,779 of the movie. He could help them find a character or a place that they need to do because that 51 00:05:06,819 --> 00:05:13,684 is pretty much what he does. And I feel like it would really be a way to tie film back into 52 00:05:13,744 --> 00:05:18,887 Logan. We do have two important corrections to make from Judson Batty's answer in the last 53 00:05:18,907 --> 00:05:23,535 episode. The first correction is that, I don't know what I was spoken. Sean Connery is not 54 00:05:23,575 --> 00:05:28,000 alive anymore. I said he was still alive, but he actually died in 2020, and apparently I'm 55 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:34,387 still in denial. So, sorry about that. Also, apparently Judson Betty is not from Great Britain, 56 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:41,494 but is in fact Australian. Oh, Guten Tag! Let's go skiing in the Australian Alps! Listen to 57 00:05:41,534 --> 00:05:49,239 Mozart's music in Vienna, the capital city of Australia. But no, Caliban was in the Logan 58 00:05:49,259 --> 00:05:54,682 movie played by Stephen Merchant and he was fantastic in that role. He did unfortunately 59 00:05:54,722 --> 00:05:59,684 die, but that doesn't mean we couldn't see a variant of him show up in Deadpool and Wolverine. 60 00:06:00,284 --> 00:06:05,607 And like Judson said, probably direct them to a specific goal or location since his whole 61 00:06:05,647 --> 00:06:11,658 mutant power is the ability to track and detect the location of other mutants. Yeah, I totally 62 00:06:11,678 --> 00:06:15,640 forgot about this character in Logan. I would love to see him return to the role. Oh, yeah, 63 00:06:15,660 --> 00:06:20,463 for sure. He played the character way better than the guy who played him in X-Men Apocalypse. 64 00:06:20,963 --> 00:06:25,585 That was just weird. Already blocked it. Great answer, Judson. Let's go ahead and move on 65 00:06:25,605 --> 00:06:33,270 to our next honorable mention, which goes to Corey Wooten. Who said? Hey, guys, Corey Wooten. 66 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:42,076 I'd like to see Alan Rickson as Sabretooth with an aesthetic more like with the correct aesthetic 67 00:06:42,136 --> 00:06:50,157 more like the original X-Men, but also with the ability to think, speak, and deliver lines. 68 00:06:53,066 --> 00:06:57,729 Yeah, Sabertooth would be fantastic to see go up against Wolverine and Deadpool. Alan Richson 69 00:06:57,769 --> 00:07:01,751 never played the character, but he would make a fantastic Sabertooth. He was played in the 70 00:07:01,791 --> 00:07:07,115 original movies by Tyler Maine and then, of course, by Leif Schreiber in the X-Men Origins 71 00:07:07,155 --> 00:07:11,738 Wolverine movie. Yeah, my vote is for Tyler Maine to return. I would love to see that. 72 00:07:12,118 --> 00:07:16,882 And maybe we will. It would be cool to see Sabertooth, Wolverine and Deadpool in a fight considering, 73 00:07:16,922 --> 00:07:20,884 you know, they're all slashy, heely guys. They would just tear each other to bits and like 74 00:07:20,924 --> 00:07:26,308 nothing would happen. They just fight endlessly. That'd be really cool to see. So great answer, 75 00:07:26,388 --> 00:07:31,993 Corey, but the winner of this week's snow prize goes to Travis Herndon, who said, What's up, 76 00:07:32,033 --> 00:07:36,457 Dynamic Dudes? Travis here, shout out to my other twins. So my answer would have to be 77 00:07:36,737 --> 00:07:41,241 Mystique, particularly Rebecca's version of the character. It would be cool to see that 78 00:07:41,361 --> 00:07:46,565 actress come back to reprise her role as Mystique. Also, you could make a little joke that Deadpool 79 00:07:46,585 --> 00:07:50,689 or something brings up the fact that she's been running around naked in all three of the X-Men 80 00:07:50,729 --> 00:07:55,599 movies she was in. only for her to maybe shade shift into her comic book accurate suit and 81 00:07:55,639 --> 00:08:00,181 give him the middle finger. So yeah, that's my pick. I love this answer. I think it would 82 00:08:00,201 --> 00:08:04,523 be so cool, yeah, to have Rebecca Romaine as Mystique show up in the void at the end of 83 00:08:04,563 --> 00:08:09,545 time. And like no one just comments on the fact that she's essentially naked. And Deadpool's 84 00:08:09,565 --> 00:08:13,387 like looking around like Wolverine is not saying anything. And Deadpool's like, is seriously 85 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:18,829 no one going to say anything? Lady, put your fun bags away. This is Disney now. It's family 86 00:08:18,849 --> 00:08:23,285 friendly. And then like she just beats his ass or something like that. I would love that. 87 00:08:23,365 --> 00:08:26,988 If this doesn't happen in the movie, I'm actually going to be a little bit disappointed. It will 88 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:32,112 still exist in my headcanon if it's not in the film. Yeah, I always preferred Rebecca Romaine 89 00:08:32,132 --> 00:08:37,037 to Jennifer Lawrence for Mystique. I hope we get a return of Rebecca Romaine for this movie. 90 00:08:37,397 --> 00:08:41,600 And going off of what Travis said, yeah, it would be cool to then see Mystique shape shift 91 00:08:41,641 --> 00:08:46,124 into her more comic book accurate costume with the white dress. Yeah, because we've never 92 00:08:46,164 --> 00:08:49,784 seen that on film. That'd be awesome. Yeah, and I hope that's what they do for the MCU 93 00:08:50,005 --> 00:08:54,591 version of the character. So congrats to Travis Herndon. Fantastic answer. You win this week's 94 00:08:54,651 --> 00:08:58,757 No Prize. If you're the listener, want a shot at winning your own No Prize. Stay tuned to 95 00:08:58,797 --> 00:09:02,802 later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that 96 00:09:02,822 --> 00:09:04,885 that's done, on to the news. 97 00:09:10,402 --> 00:09:14,983 Alright, so last week we got our first look at the second season of My Adventures with 98 00:09:15,043 --> 00:09:20,165 Superman, an animated series that's premiering on Cartoon Network, but also showing on the 99 00:09:20,225 --> 00:09:25,666 Max platform. Of course, we reviewed My Adventures with Superman season one last year. It was 100 00:09:25,706 --> 00:09:31,468 a really, really well done modern anime version of the Superman mythos. And the way it ended, 101 00:09:31,608 --> 00:09:37,354 it set up season two. So I've been really looking forward to this first trailer. and it didn't 102 00:09:37,374 --> 00:09:42,395 disappoint. No, it looks like it continues everything that made the first season so well done. And 103 00:09:42,435 --> 00:09:46,497 not being, you know, a DC or a Superman guy myself, I really enjoyed the show and it's, 104 00:09:46,717 --> 00:09:51,798 yeah, modern take on the character of Superman. The way they adapted all of these characters 105 00:09:51,838 --> 00:09:55,999 to kind of fit in with Kryptonian technology and stuff like that, I thought was really fascinating. 106 00:09:56,079 --> 00:10:00,781 And they really left that first season on quite the cliffhanger with Brainiac and General Lane 107 00:10:00,821 --> 00:10:04,878 and all that stuff. So yeah, this is gonna be exciting. Yeah, definitely more of the same, 108 00:10:04,918 --> 00:10:08,859 which is great to see the opening shot of the trailer. It looks like Lois Lane and Jimmy 109 00:10:08,919 --> 00:10:13,521 Olsen are encountering a Kryptonian, although I'm not sure who it is, whether it's General 110 00:10:13,581 --> 00:10:18,802 Zod or someone else, maybe. I guess we'll see. It looks like the trio of Clark Kent, Lois 111 00:10:18,842 --> 00:10:24,004 Lane and Jimmy Olsen are getting up to their wacky hijinks as they have in the past. It 112 00:10:24,024 --> 00:10:29,354 was a fun reminder that Jimmy Olsen is now a millionaire. So, you know, he's. talking at 113 00:10:29,434 --> 00:10:33,197 this conference, that's gonna be interesting this season. But what I thought was really 114 00:10:33,217 --> 00:10:38,001 cool was to see the return of Lex Luthor, who we got like a tease of in the first season, 115 00:10:38,382 --> 00:10:43,046 but it looks like it's officially him. He was Ivo's assistant or something like that. And 116 00:10:43,086 --> 00:10:49,231 it makes sense that with Ivo out, Lex Luthor may be taking over the tech space and competing 117 00:10:49,251 --> 00:10:54,496 with Jimmy Olsen. I thought it was cool how we got our first looks at characters like Metallo, 118 00:10:54,656 --> 00:10:59,679 Parademons, and of course, Supergirl. Oh yeah, Supergirl was a huge surprise. She, of course, 119 00:10:59,779 --> 00:11:05,102 is in the poster for the upcoming season. And I was really happy to see that she'll be here. 120 00:11:05,763 --> 00:11:10,906 Clark Kent does encounter a baby version of her at the very end of the trailer, although 121 00:11:10,926 --> 00:11:16,469 I'm not sure if that's just like a flashback to the past when she was also, you know, rocketed 122 00:11:16,549 --> 00:11:21,652 off of Krypton before it was destroyed or not. I guess we'll find out. Another villain we 123 00:11:21,672 --> 00:11:26,058 get to see in this trailer is Brainiac. And it's gonna be really interesting to see his 124 00:11:26,098 --> 00:11:32,321 dynamic with Zod, because it looks like a lot of the Kryptonian tech is powered by Brainiac. 125 00:11:32,641 --> 00:11:37,243 I think we also get our first look at John Henry Irons' steel in this trailer too. It's more 126 00:11:37,263 --> 00:11:40,885 like a prototype mech suit. I'm not quite sure if it's steel, but that would be cool if we 127 00:11:40,905 --> 00:11:44,787 got him in this season too. Yeah, I would love that. I imagine they would kind of take the 128 00:11:44,827 --> 00:11:50,589 same route they took with his origin in the New 52, tying him into Metallo. At least I 129 00:11:50,609 --> 00:11:56,080 hope they do. But it looks like this season kicks off at the end of this month on May 25th 130 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,842 on the Cartoon Network. The shows will be then showing up on MAX the following day. We're 131 00:12:01,882 --> 00:12:06,884 definitely going to review this upcoming season and I can't wait to do so. I can't wait to 132 00:12:06,925 --> 00:12:11,647 see all the cool new villains that they adapt for this show. Yes, definitely one of the more 133 00:12:11,687 --> 00:12:16,469 interesting aspects of the show. But speaking of villains, that brings us to our question 134 00:12:16,509 --> 00:12:16,949 of the week. 135 00:12:21,486 --> 00:12:26,389 Who is your favorite Superman villain and why? This is going to be a tough one, there's a 136 00:12:26,430 --> 00:12:30,893 lot of great Superman villains out there. Really dig deep on the why portion of your answer. 137 00:12:31,273 --> 00:12:35,016 Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom 138 00:12:35,057 --> 00:12:39,180 right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message 139 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,123 could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on 140 00:12:43,143 --> 00:12:47,947 the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a dynamic duel no prize 141 00:12:47,967 --> 00:12:54,287 that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before... May 11th. In other DC animated news, 142 00:12:54,368 --> 00:13:00,131 we got the first official teaser trailer for Justice League Chrysalis Infinite Earths Part 143 00:13:00,171 --> 00:13:07,617 3. Of course, we reviewed Part 2 in our last episode. Spoiler alert, it wasn't that great 144 00:13:07,697 --> 00:13:13,901 and it really didn't get me too pumped up for Part 3. And I can't say this official teaser 145 00:13:14,041 --> 00:13:21,902 did either. It's very much a tease. And primarily it's a tease that Lex Luthor in the whole crisis 146 00:13:21,942 --> 00:13:27,747 mix although it's unclear as to which version of Lex Luthor this is. The teaser kind of makes 147 00:13:27,787 --> 00:13:34,433 it seem like he's a bad guy but if this is Lex Luthor from Earth 3 and maybe he survived that 148 00:13:34,493 --> 00:13:40,358 universe's destruction somehow then he could be a huge asset to defeating the Anti-Monitor 149 00:13:40,538 --> 00:13:46,123 without anyone realizing it. Of course we get to see the Anti-Monitor in this trailer and 150 00:13:46,183 --> 00:13:51,764 he looks terrible. I just gotta say it. He looks nothing like he does in the comics. I wish 151 00:13:51,784 --> 00:13:55,688 he was more comics accurate because this is a weird look for the character. This is a little 152 00:13:55,708 --> 00:14:01,334 bit generic. He's just this figure all in black with red eyes. And that's it exactly. That's 153 00:14:01,514 --> 00:14:08,081 it exactly. Lame. I often boast about how good the character design is in the tomorrow verse, 154 00:14:08,561 --> 00:14:13,830 but this makes me embarrassed of the tomorrow verse. Just this design. It was interesting 155 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:18,494 to see the Batman animated series, Batman and Joker. It seems like we're doing a lot more 156 00:14:18,594 --> 00:14:23,858 universe hopping, including the DC animated universe, which incorporates like Superman 157 00:14:23,898 --> 00:14:28,122 cartoon, the Batman cartoon, the Justice League cartoon. That's pretty interesting. That was 158 00:14:28,202 --> 00:14:32,165 very interesting. I'm wondering how many other different animated universes are going to pop 159 00:14:32,245 --> 00:14:39,991 up. Like Teen Titans go? No idea. That would be weird. They've already had their own crisis 160 00:14:40,051 --> 00:14:44,878 on their show, so I would be surprised, but You know, anything's possible, honestly. I 161 00:14:44,938 --> 00:14:50,680 really do hope that this is good. I really do hope that this brings closure to decades of 162 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,501 DC's animated media, maybe going all the way back to like Superman's Max Fleischer cartoons. 163 00:14:55,801 --> 00:15:01,583 That would be really cool. And I think really give us a good setup for maybe James Gunn's 164 00:15:01,823 --> 00:15:06,224 new universe. That would be awesome. Do you mean Creature Commandos, the animated series 165 00:15:06,244 --> 00:15:11,205 that's coming out later this year? Yes, exactly. That's scheduled to come out in late 2024. 166 00:15:12,306 --> 00:15:17,570 as part of the whole Gods and Monsters chapter of James Gunn's DC Universe. I'm not sure if 167 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:22,334 that's still the case though. I have a feeling that might get pushed back to after Superman. 168 00:15:22,795 --> 00:15:27,119 Or at least I wouldn't be surprised if it did. There's no release date for this film yet. 169 00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:31,142 At the very end of the trailer it just says it's coming soon. I imagine sometime in the 170 00:15:31,182 --> 00:15:34,885 fall. And when it does, we'll review it. Fingers crossed it's good. 171 00:15:42,158 --> 00:15:45,342 Alright, I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get 172 00:15:45,402 --> 00:15:51,872 into the main event where we find out who'd win in a fight between Sandman, aka Wesley 173 00:15:51,912 --> 00:15:55,417 Dodds, and Madame Webb, aka Julia Carpenter. 174 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:16,134 Alright, Sandman vs. Madame Webb. This is the Wesley Dodds and Julia Carpenter versions of 175 00:16:16,154 --> 00:16:20,998 the characters respectively. They're both kind of pulpy characters in that they're terribly 176 00:16:21,018 --> 00:16:26,222 mysterious and they wear trench coats and vaguely similar power sets as well. Yeah, and that 177 00:16:26,242 --> 00:16:31,106 their main ability is to incapacitate others, you could say. But they also get premonitions 178 00:16:31,146 --> 00:16:36,330 of the future and they both have kind of like cool face gear, like Madame Webb wears these 179 00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:42,006 glasses because she's blind and Sandman wears this gas mask. which makes him look extra pulpy. 180 00:16:42,206 --> 00:16:47,047 Wesley Dodds is a fantastic character. Yeah, he's really cool. I'm a really big fan of the 181 00:16:47,067 --> 00:16:51,909 character, especially the way they re-imagined him in Sandman Mystery Theater, which was a 182 00:16:52,129 --> 00:16:57,710 vertigo tie-in to the Sandman series. Speaking of that, Jonathan, what's the difference between 183 00:16:57,830 --> 00:17:02,451 the Wesley Dodds version of Sandman and the Morpheus version of Sandman? They could not 184 00:17:02,511 --> 00:17:10,970 be more different. So one of them is a detective of sorts who uses sleeping gas. And the other 185 00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:16,393 one is essentially the god of dreams or the embodiment of dreams, you could say. Right. 186 00:17:16,433 --> 00:17:22,297 The latter of which had a series on Netflix, but the former of which, the guy with the sleeping 187 00:17:22,317 --> 00:17:29,681 gas gun, he has played a part in the adventures of the dream god version of Sandman. Yes, tangentially. 188 00:17:29,761 --> 00:17:34,284 He's a character that has appeared in the Sandman comics. And of course, everybody knows Madame 189 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:39,094 Webb. She is world famous now that she's had her own film. Now in that movie, the character 190 00:17:39,134 --> 00:17:45,036 was Cassandra Webb, who in the comics is an old woman in a chair. She eventually passed 191 00:17:45,056 --> 00:17:49,377 her powers down to Julia Carpenter, who was played in the Madden Webb film by Sidney Sweeney. 192 00:17:49,817 --> 00:17:53,938 This is all very complicated, but hopefully the characters' backstories that we get into 193 00:17:53,978 --> 00:17:58,399 later will help clear things up. But to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go 194 00:17:58,439 --> 00:18:03,300 to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ and IK tell our listeners how you 195 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:09,710 go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. The way I determine a winner between the contestants 196 00:18:09,730 --> 00:18:15,792 is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation 197 00:18:15,832 --> 00:18:21,533 is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize 198 00:18:21,573 --> 00:18:26,015 the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can 199 00:18:26,035 --> 00:18:30,916 occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from 200 00:18:30,956 --> 00:18:36,057 which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such 201 00:18:36,097 --> 00:18:41,608 as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed 202 00:18:41,648 --> 00:18:46,772 and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins 203 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:51,234 for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as 204 00:18:51,274 --> 00:18:56,618 they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character 205 00:18:56,638 --> 00:19:01,341 should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way 206 00:19:01,381 --> 00:19:06,407 for Batman to defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents 207 00:19:06,427 --> 00:19:11,469 that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity 208 00:19:11,529 --> 00:19:16,872 or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination 209 00:19:16,912 --> 00:19:22,634 of the winner. Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each 210 00:19:22,654 --> 00:19:27,556 character's histories and abilities, before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one 211 00:19:27,576 --> 00:19:32,110 of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go 212 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:37,131 first with the Marvel characters backstory, so let me tell you guys all about Madame Web. 213 00:19:37,611 --> 00:19:43,173 Now the story of Julia Carpenter's transformation into Madame Web begins with the story of her 214 00:19:43,253 --> 00:19:49,495 predecessor, Cassandra Web, the original Madame Web. Born in Salem, Oregon, Cassandra suffered 215 00:19:49,535 --> 00:19:55,337 from a condition known as myasthenia gravis, which left her blind and a quadriplegic confined 216 00:19:55,417 --> 00:20:01,247 to a wheelchair. In spite of her physical handicap- She developed a strong mind into her later 217 00:20:01,267 --> 00:20:07,071 years that was able to tap into the web of life and destiny, which is a five-dimensional construct 218 00:20:07,131 --> 00:20:12,875 of all reality, past, present, and future. This endowed her with psychic abilities, which she 219 00:20:12,995 --> 00:20:18,559 used as a medium telling people's fortunes in New York City, calling herself Madame Web. 220 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,323 It was in New York that Cassandra was first visited by Peter Parker, who was shocked to 221 00:20:24,363 --> 00:20:29,294 learn that she knew of his alternate identity as Spider-Man. Cassandra assisted him in solving 222 00:20:29,414 --> 00:20:34,215 several mysterious criminal cases, and she became a valuable asset to Spider-Man's crime-fighting 223 00:20:34,235 --> 00:20:39,177 career. You can learn more about Spider-Man in his duel against Blue Beetle. Meanwhile, 224 00:20:39,697 --> 00:20:44,718 a couple of decades prior to Cassandra meeting Spider-Man, Julia Cornwall was born and raised 225 00:20:44,758 --> 00:20:50,520 in Los Angeles, California to Walter and Elizabeth Cornwall. She grew up and married her college 226 00:20:50,580 --> 00:20:55,781 boyfriend Larry Carpenter, and the pair moved to Denver, Colorado, where they had a daughter 227 00:20:55,841 --> 00:21:01,478 named Rachel. Larry became a politician and Julia joined a PR firm. Five years later, however, 228 00:21:01,518 --> 00:21:07,203 the pair got a divorce and Julia was awarded custody of their child. While living as a single 229 00:21:07,243 --> 00:21:13,168 mom, Julia ran into her college friend named Valerie Cooper, who was the chair of the U.S. 230 00:21:13,368 --> 00:21:18,292 Commission on Superhuman Activities, a government committee involved in dealing with the country's 231 00:21:18,332 --> 00:21:24,117 growing number of superhuman beings. After several failed attempts to control existing superpowered 232 00:21:24,137 --> 00:21:30,047 beings, the Commission decided it was time to create its own hero. To that end, they began 233 00:21:30,087 --> 00:21:35,508 recruiting potential candidates for a classified athletic study, and Chair Valerie Cooper enlisted 234 00:21:35,548 --> 00:21:41,710 her friend Julia to take part in their experiment. The Commission injected Julia with a formula 235 00:21:41,790 --> 00:21:47,512 of rare spider venoms and plant extracts found in the Amazon rainforest, which ended up gifting 236 00:21:47,572 --> 00:21:52,853 her with an enhanced physiology and the ability to produce strands of telekinetic energy that 237 00:21:52,913 --> 00:21:57,791 manifested like webbing. As the sole success of their experiment, Julia was dubbed by the 238 00:21:57,811 --> 00:22:02,793 commission Spider-Woman, and they sent her into the field as a superhero government operative. 239 00:22:03,213 --> 00:22:07,795 Juggling her top-secret identity with being a mother, Julia struggled in both her personal 240 00:22:07,815 --> 00:22:12,717 life and with her activities as a secret agent, receiving orders that occasionally put her 241 00:22:12,757 --> 00:22:18,280 in conflict with other heroes such as the X-Men and the Avengers. After helping the Avengers 242 00:22:18,340 --> 00:22:24,343 escape the vault prison after they were arrested on false treason Julia became a wanted fugitive 243 00:22:24,403 --> 00:22:29,726 from the government. Exacerbating the situation, Julia also found herself in a custody battle 244 00:22:29,806 --> 00:22:34,728 over her daughter Rachel with her ex-husband Larry, who eventually won due to Julia's absence 245 00:22:34,888 --> 00:22:40,011 and moved to California. Still on the run, Julia evaded authorities with help from Iron Man, 246 00:22:40,331 --> 00:22:45,434 and she relocated to California to be closer to her daughter. There, she joined the West 247 00:22:45,454 --> 00:22:50,737 Coast Avengers branch, which ended her fugitive status, eventually gaining back custody of 248 00:22:50,777 --> 00:22:56,990 Rachel, as she balanced being a mom and an Avenger. At this time, she revealed her superhero identity 249 00:22:57,030 --> 00:23:01,934 to her daughter and her parents, who were initially supportive but soon felt that her powers made 250 00:23:01,974 --> 00:23:06,978 her unfit as a mother. After the West Coast Avengers disbanded, Julia and her daughter 251 00:23:07,058 --> 00:23:12,402 moved back to Denver, where she fought crime and served as a reserve Avengers member. Eventually, 252 00:23:12,462 --> 00:23:17,538 the stories of Cassandra Webb and Julia Carpenter would cross when Cassandra's Granddaughter 253 00:23:17,698 --> 00:23:22,861 Charlotte Witter began stealing the powers of other spider-powered heroes, including Maddie 254 00:23:22,881 --> 00:23:27,023 Franklin and Jessica Drew, the latter of whom you can learn more about in our Queen Bee vs 255 00:23:27,203 --> 00:23:32,706 Spider-Woman duel episode. The women teamed up with Cassandra to defeat Witter, and eventually, 256 00:23:32,927 --> 00:23:37,949 Julia had her powers restored by a recreated spider formula and returned to crime fighting. 257 00:23:38,089 --> 00:23:43,232 When the U.S. Congress introduced the Superhuman Registration Act, which forced heroes to register 258 00:23:43,272 --> 00:23:49,355 with the government or face prosecution, Julia, now going by the code name Arachne, sided with 259 00:23:49,475 --> 00:23:55,038 Iron Man's pro-registration side, but secretly helped unregistered heroes evade capture, as 260 00:23:55,058 --> 00:24:00,060 she privately disagreed with the legislation. Julia was ultimately caught, however, and was 261 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:05,302 forcibly arrested in front of her daughter Rachel. She was offered a pardon for her crimes, however, 262 00:24:05,662 --> 00:24:10,244 provided she serve on the Canadian government's new superhero team, Omega Flight, which was 263 00:24:10,284 --> 00:24:16,147 a spinoff of the country's renowned Alpha Flight team. Both Julia and Cassandra were kidnapped 264 00:24:16,247 --> 00:24:22,112 by the family of Craven the Hunter, who planned to sacrifice spider-powered heroes in an attempt 265 00:24:22,152 --> 00:24:27,857 to resurrect Craven through an occult ritual. The family slit Cassandra Webb's throat, who 266 00:24:27,917 --> 00:24:33,181 psychically transferred her ability to mentally access the Web of Life of Destiny into Julia, 267 00:24:33,301 --> 00:24:38,365 making her the new Madame Webb. Spider-Man was able to rescue Julia from being sacrificed 268 00:24:38,405 --> 00:24:43,396 as well. though the Craven family was successful in bringing Craven back from the dead, which 269 00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:48,519 you can learn more about in our Vixen vs Craven duel episode. And though Julia was now blind 270 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:53,522 due to her new insight into the past, present, and future, her clairvoyance played a crucial 271 00:24:53,582 --> 00:24:58,184 role in helping Spider-Man overcome threats to New York, and she even saved his life on 272 00:24:58,324 --> 00:25:03,487 multiple occasions. When she experienced a vision of Spider-Man's death at the hands of Mephisto, 273 00:25:03,708 --> 00:25:08,070 an elder demon of hell whom you can learn more about in his duel against Sandman, Julia formed 274 00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:13,311 a team of spider-powered heroes called the Order of the Web, who fought to protect Spider-Man 275 00:25:13,671 --> 00:25:19,213 and fight other supernatural threats. Powers-wise, Madame Web has the combined power sets of her 276 00:25:19,293 --> 00:25:25,134 former Arachne identity and the original Madame Web. This grants her enhanced physicality, 277 00:25:25,354 --> 00:25:31,196 including increased strength able to lift around 10 tons, increased agility, speed, and durability. 278 00:25:31,676 --> 00:25:37,730 She can emit strands of telekinetic energy for a variety of effects, including strands which 279 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:43,274 she can manipulate at will to swing from, ensnare opponents, and use to bind herself to surfaces 280 00:25:43,374 --> 00:25:49,178 in a wall-crawling effect. She can send out these psionic strands to use as invisible feelers 281 00:25:49,298 --> 00:25:54,382 to detect the environment around her and warn her of impending danger for a spider sense 282 00:25:54,402 --> 00:25:59,886 effect. Mataweb has access to see into the web of life and destiny, which she can use to get 283 00:25:59,926 --> 00:26:05,578 visions of potential futures, other locations in the present, and the past. She has limited 284 00:26:05,618 --> 00:26:10,060 telepathy, able to read minds and project her thoughts into the minds of others, allowing 285 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,202 them to see her as an astral projection. She is also an adept hand-to-hand combatant due 286 00:26:15,222 --> 00:26:19,864 to her training from the Commission on Superhuman Activities. Her one weakness is that she is 287 00:26:19,944 --> 00:26:25,946 blind, but her psychic perception of her environment makes this barely a handicap. And that's Madame 288 00:26:25,966 --> 00:26:31,989 Web. So she's like a mixture between Daredevil and Spider-Man. Uh, with a little bit of Professor 289 00:26:32,089 --> 00:26:37,943 X thrown in there too. Okay. I'm not going to lie. A little scared, a little scared, a little 290 00:26:37,963 --> 00:26:43,444 bit. You should be. But I will argue that Wesley Dodds is just the cooler character because 291 00:26:43,484 --> 00:26:48,986 you really don't get cooler than Wesley Dodds. He's so noir and like that pulpy kind of like 292 00:26:49,226 --> 00:26:55,468 the shadow comes in. Avenger Spider-Man or no, no. Fuck that guy. That guy's that guy's a 293 00:26:55,528 --> 00:27:01,406 poser. Wesley Dodds is the real deal. Let me get into his backstory. Now Wesley Dodds was 294 00:27:01,466 --> 00:27:07,729 born in the 1910s to a Jewish couple, Edward and Marina Dodds, though Marina died in 1917 295 00:27:08,389 --> 00:27:14,191 while Wesley's father served in World War I. Raised by his military father, Wesley traveled 296 00:27:14,291 --> 00:27:20,854 the Orient, where he acquired various skills such as herbalism and martial arts. After graduating 297 00:27:20,874 --> 00:27:26,296 from college, Wesley briefly served as a pilot for the US Navy until his father died. 298 00:27:29,538 --> 00:27:35,583 Wesley also took on the same career as his father had before the war, an investor. Wesley became 299 00:27:35,703 --> 00:27:41,087 a wealthy socialite, though at night he was plagued by nightmares of crimes, murders, and 300 00:27:41,107 --> 00:27:48,133 a mysterious figure in a strange mask. Unbeknownst to Wesley, the lord of the dream world, Morpheus, 301 00:27:48,414 --> 00:27:53,718 had been imprisoned by a British occultist named Roderick Burgess, causing many individuels 302 00:27:53,758 --> 00:27:59,282 around the world to have strange sleeping patterns, Wesley being one of them. After realizing the 303 00:27:59,322 --> 00:28:04,464 events in his dreams were coming true, Wesley decided he needed to do something about it 304 00:28:04,804 --> 00:28:10,006 and created a secret laboratory in his basement where he experimented with various herb and 305 00:28:10,046 --> 00:28:15,889 chemical mixtures to craft a formula for a powerful sedative whose vapors could put people into 306 00:28:15,929 --> 00:28:22,872 a deep sleep. Initially using a WWI gas mask to protect him from his own sleeping gas, Wesley 307 00:28:22,912 --> 00:28:29,039 became a fedora-wearing vigilante known as the Sandman. knocking out the criminals and serial 308 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:34,624 killers they had seen in his dreams. Early in his crime-fighting career, he encountered another 309 00:28:34,664 --> 00:28:40,248 masked vigilante, the Crimson Avenger, who Wesley thought was a criminal, but turned out to be 310 00:28:40,308 --> 00:28:46,994 his old college friend, the Travis. Lee gave Wesley a design for a gas gun, which Wesley 311 00:28:47,034 --> 00:28:52,358 crafted and perfected over the years, along with various other gadgets, including a grappling 312 00:28:52,378 --> 00:28:52,618 gun. 313 00:28:56,650 --> 00:29:02,093 Wesley had met and fallen for Diane Belmont, the daughter of New York City's District Attorney, 314 00:29:02,473 --> 00:29:08,416 Larry Belmont. Within a year, Diane deduced Wesley's alter ego as the Sandman and began 315 00:29:08,536 --> 00:29:13,699 aiding him in his missions, often feeding him information from her father's files and acting 316 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:19,903 as his getaway driver. When America became involved in World War II, President Franklin Roosevelt 317 00:29:19,943 --> 00:29:25,314 recruited Wesley and various other mystery men to form the Justice Society of America. a team 318 00:29:25,334 --> 00:29:30,496 of superheroes that you could learn more about in our Justice Society vs. Fantastic Four episode. 319 00:29:30,876 --> 00:29:36,638 While Wesley was away with the JSA, Diane decided that for one sabotage case she had been working 320 00:29:36,758 --> 00:29:43,241 on to don one of Wesley's Sandman outfits and ended up being shot and killed by a Nazi agent. 321 00:29:43,561 --> 00:29:49,743 Devastated, Wesley began wearing a new, more colorful and superheroic outfit that Diane 322 00:29:49,764 --> 00:29:55,638 had designed for him to fight crime. Wesley also adopted Diane's young nephew. an orphan 323 00:29:55,918 --> 00:30:03,340 named Sanderson Hawkins. Sandy idolized Sandman and trained hard to be like him one day. Wesley 324 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,782 soon revealed his Sandman identity to Sandy, and Sandy became his crime-fighting sidekick, 325 00:30:09,182 --> 00:30:14,703 aiding him in their World War II adventures with a new expanded wartime superteam known 326 00:30:14,783 --> 00:30:20,165 as the All-Star Squadron. Hoping to improve his crime-fighting abilities, Wesley engineered 327 00:30:20,325 --> 00:30:28,314 a silicoid gun. which would have used irradiated silicon to create constructs of sand and glass. 328 00:30:28,774 --> 00:30:34,938 The device exploded upon its first use, however, bombarding and infusing the radioactive particles 329 00:30:35,078 --> 00:30:41,382 into Sandy, transforming him into a raging sand monster. Though Wesley was able to sedate and 330 00:30:41,422 --> 00:30:48,547 capture Sandy, he was unable to cure him, so he kept him sedated and hidden in a glass chamber 331 00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:57,459 in his basement. Wesley retired from superheroics, as by this time, many of the Justice Society's 332 00:30:57,499 --> 00:31:03,061 members were forced into retirement when the US government began requiring all masked Avengers 333 00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:08,782 to reveal their secret identities and operate strictly under government orders. Wesley spent 334 00:31:08,922 --> 00:31:14,044 decades in retirement trying to find a cure for Sandy when an earthquake broke Sandy's 335 00:31:14,064 --> 00:31:20,345 glass prison and caused him to go on a mad rampage. Wesley donned his Sandman outfit once again. 336 00:31:20,746 --> 00:31:26,847 and successfully stopped his former protege, only to learn that Sandy had regained his lucidity 337 00:31:26,887 --> 00:31:31,829 shortly after his imprisonment and had been conscious all these years. Guilt-stricken, 338 00:31:32,209 --> 00:31:37,670 Wesley retired once again, even going so far as to get a psychiatrist named Dr. Raymond 339 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:44,012 Baxter to hypnotize him into forgetting he ever was the Sandman. Wesley eventually remembered 340 00:31:44,052 --> 00:31:49,226 his past, however, and along with other retired former JSA members, came out of retirement 341 00:31:49,286 --> 00:31:55,027 seemingly one last time to help the Norse gods prevent the end of the world in Ragnarok in 342 00:31:55,067 --> 00:32:00,029 a continuous and eternal loop within the realm of Limbo. After the Crisis on Infinite Earths 343 00:32:00,089 --> 00:32:06,330 event merged the multiverse into a single universe, the JSA members eventually returned from Limbo, 344 00:32:06,731 --> 00:32:13,632 and Wesley retired once more, dream free, and now with Diane, who had never died in the new 345 00:32:13,692 --> 00:32:14,233 timeline. 346 00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:23,854 The two decided to liquidate all of their assets and travel the world. She died shortly after 347 00:32:23,874 --> 00:32:30,318 the two arrived in Tibet, and Wesley had one final dream that predicted not only his own 348 00:32:30,459 --> 00:32:36,703 impending death, but the location of who the next Doctor Fate would be. After sending this 349 00:32:36,763 --> 00:32:41,247 information to his old JSA allies, Wesley was confronted by the evil 350 00:32:45,654 --> 00:32:51,136 Rather than reveal Dr. Fate's location through torture, Wesley threw himself off of a mountain 351 00:32:51,156 --> 00:32:57,759 cliff, killing himself. He and Diane were buried in Valhalla, a cemetery for superheroes, and 352 00:32:57,859 --> 00:33:03,902 Sandy gave the eulogy. After the Flash reset DC's continuity, Wesley Dodds was the commander 353 00:33:03,962 --> 00:33:11,905 of a gove teleporting paramilitary force known as the Sandmen on Earth-2. In DC's Prime Universe, 354 00:33:11,925 --> 00:33:18,143 however, Wesley remained dead until Deadman brought him back to life as a zombie detective 355 00:33:18,483 --> 00:33:25,485 in order to help him in an unresolved case involving a nigh death cult that Wesley had encountered 356 00:33:25,585 --> 00:33:31,587 decades prior. You can learn more about Deadman in our Deadman vs. Magic duel episode. Though 357 00:33:31,627 --> 00:33:37,209 Deadman offered to return Wesley back to his grave, Wesley agreed to help Deadman until 358 00:33:37,249 --> 00:33:44,620 the case was finished. Sandman is cursed with prophetic nightmares, though he is also a trained 359 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:51,583 martial artist, an expert chemist, and an accomplished inventor, having devised several gas formulas 360 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:59,026 that include a powerful sedative and a truth serum. He's also engineered a gas gun, a grappling 361 00:33:59,066 --> 00:34:05,789 gun, an experimental silicoid gun, and a gas mask that not only filters his breathing, but 362 00:34:05,889 --> 00:34:11,195 also allows him to see through the gas and even breathe underwater. That's the Sandman. Now, 363 00:34:11,215 --> 00:34:16,438 I'm not gonna lie. I'm actually a really big fan of DC's Sandman. He's probably my favorite 364 00:34:16,458 --> 00:34:21,381 DC Comics character if I had to boil it down, being a Marvel fan, you know? I just really 365 00:34:21,421 --> 00:34:26,704 like the look and the pulpiness of the character. You know, as iconic as someone as Ghost Rider's 366 00:34:26,724 --> 00:34:31,827 look is, I think Sandman's look is just as iconic with that gas mask and everything like that. 367 00:34:31,927 --> 00:34:37,214 He's really cool. Oh yeah, just seeing like those glowing eyes in the mist. like walking 368 00:34:37,234 --> 00:34:41,516 through the fog with his fedora and trench coat. It doesn't get cooler. It's weird, though, 369 00:34:41,536 --> 00:34:46,259 that there are so many characters in Marvel and DC named Sandman. Like you have the Spider-Man 370 00:34:46,279 --> 00:34:50,861 villain who's made out of literal sand. You have the God of Dreams Sandman, and then you 371 00:34:50,901 --> 00:34:55,624 also have this Sandman who puts people to sleep. And I just want to state that even though I 372 00:34:55,644 --> 00:35:00,046 think the Wesley Dodds version of the Sandman looks the coolest out of the three, Marvel 373 00:35:00,066 --> 00:35:04,569 Sandman is still the better character. And you can learn more about him in our Sandman versus 374 00:35:04,629 --> 00:35:09,288 Red Tornado duel episode. where you'll find out that he is in fact not the best of the 375 00:35:09,308 --> 00:35:11,937 three characters. Judge for yourself is all I'll say. 376 00:35:19,278 --> 00:35:24,921 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 377 00:35:24,961 --> 00:35:30,665 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 378 00:35:30,725 --> 00:35:36,489 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 379 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:41,873 Dynamic Duel, where comic book titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where the world 380 00:35:41,893 --> 00:35:47,695 is at its limit. TV and action heroes battle every Wednesday, and Sendro World, where anime 381 00:35:47,736 --> 00:35:53,222 champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the 382 00:35:53,262 --> 00:35:59,309 power of mathematical simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com 383 00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:02,193 where we settle the debate and settle the score. 384 00:36:06,498 --> 00:36:09,918 Well, now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on 385 00:36:09,978 --> 00:36:15,680 how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not 386 00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:21,702 this speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the 387 00:36:21,802 --> 00:36:27,283 rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters 388 00:36:27,303 --> 00:36:31,845 have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out 389 00:36:32,165 --> 00:36:36,502 is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, 390 00:36:36,782 --> 00:36:41,806 the contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that 391 00:36:41,826 --> 00:36:46,209 will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered 392 00:36:46,249 --> 00:36:51,252 in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's 393 00:36:51,272 --> 00:36:56,836 get into it. Sandman and Madame Webb meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm going 394 00:36:56,856 --> 00:37:02,380 to say that Madame Webb goes first, and she's going to get a premonition of her winning this 395 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:08,784 match. And she's like, I got this. No, because Wesley already went first last night when he 396 00:37:08,824 --> 00:37:14,668 choked about this match and how he wins. And it all starts with Wesley whipping out his 397 00:37:14,708 --> 00:37:19,471 gas gun and just flooding the environment with sleeping gas. Madam Webb, she's going to fall 398 00:37:19,511 --> 00:37:27,817 asleep. So match over. No, she's going to perceive the gas cloud coming at her. And so she's going 399 00:37:27,837 --> 00:37:33,527 to leap into the air. and generate this psionic web and she just walks along it like a tightrope 400 00:37:33,587 --> 00:37:38,909 walker above the cloud of gas and the gas isn't gonna hide Sandman like she's still gonna be 401 00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:45,772 able to perceive where he is through her psionic web feelers. Well feel this! Sandman sees Madame 402 00:37:45,812 --> 00:37:51,595 Web hovering over the gas cloud so he draws his harpoon gun and fires it right at her and 403 00:37:51,615 --> 00:37:56,397 that harpoon's gonna stick in her shoulder and she's just gonna get yanked down into the gas 404 00:37:56,437 --> 00:38:01,998 toward him like a fish on a hook. No, she- but she has her own version of Spidey Sense, right? 405 00:38:02,038 --> 00:38:06,000 So she's gonna detect this harpoon gun being fired at her. She's gonna leap out of the way 406 00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:11,161 off of her tightrope, and she's gonna swing over to an area of the environment that isn't 407 00:38:11,181 --> 00:38:16,823 filled with gas, but like 15, 20 meters away, and she's gonna use her psionic webbing to 408 00:38:16,943 --> 00:38:22,144 ensnare Sandman and yank him out of the gas cloud toward her. And she's just gonna roundhouse 409 00:38:22,164 --> 00:38:27,414 kick him to the floor. No, actually, all she kicks is a trench coat. because he slipped 410 00:38:27,434 --> 00:38:32,975 it off once he started getting pulled by her webbing. And when she kicked the coat, she 411 00:38:33,035 --> 00:38:37,857 actually broke a gas capsule that he had in his pocket. So she just doused herself with 412 00:38:37,917 --> 00:38:45,219 his sleeping gas and put herself to sleep. All right. But as she's, you know, feeling herself 413 00:38:45,259 --> 00:38:50,360 being sedated at the last second, she's going to expel her astral form from her physical 414 00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:56,062 body, which is now sleeping on the floor and her astral spirit. is gonna reach out into 415 00:38:56,142 --> 00:39:02,627 Sandman's mind so that he can see her. And he's gonna be super confused as to like how she's 416 00:39:02,687 --> 00:39:09,032 both sleeping on the ground and in front of him. And she's gonna swing a punch at him. 417 00:39:09,332 --> 00:39:13,275 And you know, he's gonna dodge it because he doesn't know that she's actually incorporeal, 418 00:39:13,495 --> 00:39:18,498 but she's gonna keep attacking him to buy her time to wake up. Okay, well, I mean, to an 419 00:39:18,598 --> 00:39:24,134 outside observer, Sandman's probably just swinging wildly at the air. But he's a trained martial 420 00:39:24,234 --> 00:39:31,596 artist, so he'd catch on over time when he realizes that neither his or her attacks are landing, 421 00:39:31,836 --> 00:39:37,938 right? So that's when he's gonna rush over to Madame Webb's real body, you know, still on 422 00:39:37,978 --> 00:39:42,420 the ground, and... I don't know, he's just gonna start kicking the shit out of her unconscious 423 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,401 body? Well, if he's beating the shit out of her on the ground, that's gonna snap her out 424 00:39:47,441 --> 00:39:52,410 of her sleep, you know? Plus she's like really durable, so Sandman kicking her, it's not gonna 425 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:58,752 hurt her as much as he'd probably like. So she's gonna wake up and immediately she's gonna wrap 426 00:39:58,772 --> 00:40:04,074 him up from head to toe in psionic webbing. So like he can't move his arms, his legs, like 427 00:40:04,114 --> 00:40:09,896 they're just completely ensnared. So he's gonna fall over and she's gonna return the favor 428 00:40:10,196 --> 00:40:17,010 by kicking the shit out of him while he's incapacitated. And her kicks hurt a lot worse. All right, 429 00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:24,775 well, I mean, little did Madam Webb know, though, Sandman had a like maximum potent gas capsule 430 00:40:25,035 --> 00:40:30,880 hidden in his sleeve, which he crushes, causing a cloud of smoke to surround him. And when 431 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,883 Madam Webb breathes that in as she's bidding the shit out of him, it's going to place her 432 00:40:35,903 --> 00:40:42,468 into a lifelong coma that she never wakes up from. Match over just as Sandman predicted. 433 00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:47,939 He has capsules that can put people in comas. Uh, yeah, lifelong comas. He actually has only 434 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:55,723 used this once, but yeah, it's a thing. Okay, shit. Uh, well, I mean, that's how one potential 435 00:40:55,743 --> 00:41:01,527 scenario could have gone, according to Madam Web's precognition, you know? So she gets this 436 00:41:01,587 --> 00:41:07,490 vision of how that all went down, and she realizes that if she just rips off Sandman's mask at 437 00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:12,433 the start, then, you know, he can't do shit. So she does that. You know, she rips off his 438 00:41:12,493 --> 00:41:17,703 mask with her web ink back. at the start of this match, and Sandman instantly puts his 439 00:41:17,803 --> 00:41:24,246 own self to sleep and matches over before it ever really began. Dude, that- the real timeline 440 00:41:24,326 --> 00:41:29,508 that matters is the one we started with, not this new bullshit one. It's not multiple timelines. 441 00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:35,771 No, everything that happened that we just described was just a vision of a potential timeline and 442 00:41:35,811 --> 00:41:41,573 what actually happened is Sandman put himself down for night-night- No, cause Sandman dreamed 443 00:41:41,593 --> 00:41:47,165 about Madam Web- having a premonition about that potential future, and he just made sure 444 00:41:47,185 --> 00:41:55,691 to pack a backup mask. Okay, but Sandman's dream of Madam Web's vision altered her vision, so 445 00:41:55,751 --> 00:42:01,235 the new vision incorporates the second mask, so he's gonna need to bring infinite masks 446 00:42:01,695 --> 00:42:09,220 if he wants to win this thing. Nah, because he saw that coming too. Man. I don't even know 447 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:16,524 how we leave this off. Like... What actually happens here? Either Sandman puts Madam Web 448 00:42:16,704 --> 00:42:25,327 into a lifelong coma or none of that ever happened and Madam Web just steals his mask and he's 449 00:42:25,387 --> 00:42:31,070 screwed. Exactly. One of those scenarios is gonna happen. We'll go ahead and find out which 450 00:42:31,210 --> 00:42:35,911 one by inputting the character stats, running the simulations and coming back with the winner. 451 00:42:36,392 --> 00:42:37,912 AG9K, hit it. 452 00:42:41,238 --> 00:42:47,102 Processing results. Simulations complete. All right, this is a pretty fun matchup. It gets 453 00:42:47,122 --> 00:42:53,346 a little bit crazy when characters can perceive future events. And it quickly spirals into 454 00:42:53,406 --> 00:43:01,152 infinity real quick. Regarding the stats though, the characters were not very similar at all. 455 00:43:01,232 --> 00:43:05,615 I mean, they were both equal when it came to things like versatility, fighting skill, and 456 00:43:05,655 --> 00:43:11,475 their range, but they had very little else in common. Yeah, we said that Sandman came out 457 00:43:11,535 --> 00:43:17,658 on top when it came to evasiveness and intelligence. We said he was smarter than Madame Webb. But 458 00:43:17,898 --> 00:43:22,941 we said that Madame Webb was much more perceptive because not only does she have precognitive 459 00:43:22,961 --> 00:43:28,304 visions like Sandman, but she also has her spider sense. She's also a lot stronger and therefore 460 00:43:28,344 --> 00:43:34,628 can do more physical damage than Sandman. She's also faster. Yeah, physically, she was definitely 461 00:43:34,728 --> 00:43:41,420 more impressive than Sandman. But does that really matter when he's smarter? It's kind 462 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,023 of like a brain versus brawn scenario we have here. I think enough brawn can just beat the 463 00:43:46,043 --> 00:43:53,088 shit out of a brain, for sure. That's what people with no brains think. Well, Jonathan, considering 464 00:43:53,128 --> 00:43:57,311 these stats, who do you think is going to win this fight when we get the results? I have 465 00:43:57,331 --> 00:44:05,256 to root for Sandman. He's such an awesome character. Madame Webb sucks. And those who voted in our 466 00:44:05,336 --> 00:44:13,515 Instagram poll agree. 66% of them said that Sandman would beat Madame Webb. So about two 467 00:44:13,535 --> 00:44:18,839 thirds. I think those people are just hating because of the Madame Webb movie and they're 468 00:44:18,859 --> 00:44:24,083 not giving her credit where credit is due. That's my assumption. Yeah, that's probably fair. 469 00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:30,509 But let's find out who really won. AJ 9K, the results please. Hey, Yuasa. All right, after 470 00:44:30,569 --> 00:44:41,247 running 1000 simulations, the winner between Sandman and Madame Webb is Madam Web. Psych! 471 00:44:41,867 --> 00:44:49,249 No, it wasn't even really that close. Out of 1000 simulations, Madam Web won 743 matches, 472 00:44:49,569 --> 00:44:59,092 whereas Sandman only won 257. She kind of beat his ass. But her movie sucked! Uh, I mean this 473 00:44:59,132 --> 00:45:05,574 version of Madam Web had both the psychic powers and the Spider-Man powers, so... She doesn't 474 00:45:05,634 --> 00:45:09,637 suck as much as, you know, the movie might have you believe. She's actually pretty badass. 475 00:45:10,117 --> 00:45:15,441 You know, I was looking forward to this match because Wesley Dodd's Sandman is like my hero 476 00:45:16,081 --> 00:45:20,944 and I am not going to lie. I'm super disappointed. I do have to say, though, I'm still proud of 477 00:45:20,964 --> 00:45:27,189 the guy, even though he lost by a lot. At the end of the day, Madame Webb will always be 478 00:45:27,229 --> 00:45:31,992 remembered as the character having the shitty movie. And Wesley Dodd's will always just have 479 00:45:32,032 --> 00:45:37,907 that classic iconic noir vibe to him that you just can't take away. It's like he's so cool, 480 00:45:38,147 --> 00:45:44,330 he can't lose. That just sounds like a pathetic coping mechanism for the fact that your boy 481 00:45:44,370 --> 00:45:53,294 got humiliated by Madam Webb. Oh yeah, 100% is. I do not deny that. Which is fine by me, 482 00:45:53,514 --> 00:46:00,577 your disappointment and humiliation is like my sustenance. I live for that shit. More copium, 483 00:46:00,637 --> 00:46:04,171 straight to the vein. That does it for this duel guys. 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As we mentioned earlier, in our next 491 00:46:44,033 --> 00:46:50,196 episode, we will be reviewing the Netflix series Dead Boy Detectives, which is a spin-off series 492 00:46:50,356 --> 00:46:55,514 of The Sandman, also on Netflix's Terrific Show. Yeah, my only experience with the Dead Boy 493 00:46:55,554 --> 00:47:01,157 Detectives was their guest appearance on the Doom Patrol TV series, but that was a fantastic 494 00:47:01,197 --> 00:47:05,299 episode. So, semi-looking forward to the show. I haven't started it yet, but I've actually 495 00:47:05,319 --> 00:47:09,441 heard good things. I remember I did not like the trailer, but here's hoping it's as good 496 00:47:09,481 --> 00:47:13,711 as they say. We'll find out next week. That does it for this episode, we want to give a 497 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:18,913 big thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John Strosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, 498 00:47:19,013 --> 00:47:24,116 Miggy Mathengian, Brandon Estregard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilovski, AJ 499 00:47:24,156 --> 00:47:30,300 Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, Dean Molesky, and Devin Davis for helping 500 00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:35,502 make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. 501 00:47:35,963 --> 00:47:38,704 I'm getting a premonition right now. In my pants.