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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly
show where we review superhero films and debate

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the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters in stat-based battle simulations.

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I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous
Joe. And in this episode, we are reviewing

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the Netflix series Dead Boy Detectives, which
is adapted from a DC comic book of the same

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name, whose lead characters debuted in the pages
of Sandman. Right, and there were even some

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characters from the Sandman series in this season
one of the show. I'm not gonna lie, I was a

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big hater of the show before it came out, based
on the God-awful trailer that came out prior

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to its release, but I'm gonna change my tune
180 degrees, so look forward to that in our

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review. Before that, we're gonna break down
the comic book movie news from the past week,

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of which there were some doozies. We got our
first look at David Cornswett as Superman,

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and... John Malkovich, Ralph Innocent, and Paul
Walter Hauser have been cast in the MCU's Fantastic

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Four film. As always, we list our segment times
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Ken's show tomorrow, guys, because even though
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Turtles movie with his brother Gil Camacho.
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Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite
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Hitman Reborn. And on the Console Combat Podcast,
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in fights between popular video game characters.
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Plus television series Knuckles. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com
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to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast
Network. But with that out of the way, quick

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to the no prize! A no prize is an award Marvel
used to give out to fans. Our version, the

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Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award we
post on Instagram for the person that we feel

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gave the best answer to our question of the
week. Last week we asked, who is your favorite

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Superman villain and why? Got a lot of great
answers, let's go ahead and run down our three

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honorable mentions as well as the no prize winner.
Our first honorable mention goes to John Spees,

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who said, Hey boys, John Spees here.

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My favorite Superman villain is Batman. I like
to see those two go head to head. And I like

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to see Batman's brain work on how to defeat
this alien that he definitely just does not

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trust. It is interesting to see Batman fight
Superman, because it's two heroes who are battling

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against each other. In a way, Bruce Wayne is
kind of like Lex Luthor. and that he's this

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very intelligent individuel with no superpowers,
but somehow still finds ways to bring Superman

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down, as evidenced in comic books like The Dark
Knight Returns. And BVS, which John called

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shitty, and it is, but I will contend that the
ultimate edition of the movie, which I know

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you shouldn't have to watch, but it is better.
I actually enjoy that version of the film.

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You should have to watch it because it's fantastic.
Way better than the theatrical version, which

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I agree is shitty. Ultimate version is not.
Great answer John, our next honorable mention

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goes to Scott Camacho who said Favorite Superman
villain is obviously Zod. I grew up watching

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the dynamics of Dragon Ball like Goku and Vegeta
and Power Rangers with the Red Ranger and then

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the evil Green Ranger. There was always the
the Nemesis who is the same as the protagonist

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and Zod is that for me for Superman. Yep, most
superheroes have at least one supervillain

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that is like a dark mirror reflection of the
hero and that's always pretty interesting because

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it's an exploration on what would happen if
the hero that you love turned evil and how

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the hero himself would deal against a similar
power set if they went bad. So yeah, Zod is

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a great foil in that regard for the character
of Superman. Yeah, Superman actually has a

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number of dark analogs. There's Zod, there's
Bizarro, there's Ultraman, but out of all of

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them I would agree that Zod is definitely the
most interesting. Great answer Scotty! Our

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final honorable mention goes to Judson Batty,
who said, Hi guys, Judson Batty here. If he

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counts I would say that my favorite Superman
villain is Lobo. Though he's not really a villain,

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but he's an anti-hero, he's a bounty hunter,
that's close enough. I think he's a great foil

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for Superman, because he's really all Superman
could be if he went down that path with similar

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powers, but not exactly the same, so he doesn't
feel like a copycat. I think that the bikey

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bounty hunter side of things is really cool,
and just really interesting to see him in stories,

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and obviously space dolphins. Yeah, Lobo, in
a sense, is almost like a dark analog for Superman

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as well, and that he's just unbelievably rude.
Compared to Superman who's normally, you know,

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farm boy polite. He's gritty, he's dirty, he
kills like no one else He's a fantastic Superman

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foil. Jutsson's right though. He's not technically
a villain as wild as it may seem Considering

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how amoral the character is but yeah, he's regarded
as an anti-hero in the same vein of like Punisher

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or Ghost Rider Those conflicting ideologies
often pit Superman and Lobo up against each

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other. But last episode Jutsson wanted to make
sure that we knew that he was Australian, not

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British. And then in the notes of his voicemail,
he wanted to clarify that he was Australian,

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not Austrian, as Jonathan and I got him confused
for in the last episode. So yeah, just to clarify,

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Jutson is a Kiwi from Australia, known for Lord
of the Rings and It's Sheep and my favorite

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band of all time, The Flight of the Concords.
Yeah, go Australia and go Jutson. Great answer,

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we want to give a special thanks to Miggy Methengyan
and Travis Herndon, who also took the time

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to call in with their answers. But the winner
of this week's No Prize is Christopher Minotti,

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who said, Hi guys, Christopher Minotti. My favorite
Superman villain has to be Brainiac. I love

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this character. Not only is he an alien super
genius, but he also collects worlds, and he

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even let Krypton die. I love that, I think that's
great. I think he looks really cool, honestly,

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as well. His ship is really cool. And I especially
love his look in the Injustice games. Yeah,

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there was something really cool they did in
those games with Brainiac having the tentacles

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like Doctor Octopus. I wish that was his look
in the comics like that needs to be canon because

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it's just really cool. But even without the
tentacles, Brainiac is just a top tier villain.

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He's also my favorite villain for Superman and
that he's just a strong. but he's also world

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smarter and has the technology to back that
up. Yeah, it's an absolute crime that Brainiac

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has not been in a live-action Superman movie
yet and so I thought I would try to remedy

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that by writing a pitch for Jonathan on what
a sequel to Man of Steel should be. And I called

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it Man of Tomorrow and you can listen to my
pitch that I gave to Jonathan on our Patreon.

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Yeah, that was heartbreaking. I'm still thinking
about that pitch. That was a fantastic pitch.

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They should have made that movie. Idiots! Not
you, Christopher! You're a genius, great answer!

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You win this week's note prize. If you the listener
want a shot at winning your own note prize,

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stay tuned till later on in this episode when
we'll be asking another Question of the Week.

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But now that that's done, on to the news!

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Okay, so this past week we got our very first
look at actor David Cornsweat in the Superman

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costume, which I've been waiting forever for.
I was super pumped for this. And when it finally

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came, I felt the way that I usually feel upon
seeing first looks of characters in their costumes,

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a little underwhelmed. I would agree. The costume
itself is pretty solid. I'm just a little bit

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confused as to the execution. of the image that
they chose to present in that instead of this

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heroic Superman pose, we're getting what appears
to be Superman getting dressed after the condom

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broke. It's really what it looks like. Yeah,
it looks like he was about to knock boots with

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the low slam, then saw the big laser in the
sky. He's like, damn it, put my boots back

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on. But yeah, it's a strange image to release
for your first look at Superman. You would

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imagine. that it would be something much more
majestic considering the nature of Superman

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and him being almost like this god-like figure.
But they really decided to focus on the man

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rather than the super in this. And I don't quite
know why I wouldn't have done that. I definitely

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wouldn't have shown him looking as tired as
he looks considering the fact that this giant

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eyeball is lasering like half of Metropolis
behind him. You know he could hear that. Yeah,

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I think the image is supposed to evoke Alex
Ross's art of Superman sitting in his recliner

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chair, which was a really humanizing image for
the character of Superman, if you guys are

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aware of the painting. This definitely calls
back to that, but by including the danger in

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the background, it makes Superman seem apathetic,
which is not a good look. I mean, just overall,

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the whole image is not a good look. Even if
the outfit turns out to be incredible, it's

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not really showcased in this image, considering
he's sitting down and it's folded. and bunches

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up in weird places. Yeah, the costume is definitely
a departure from what we've seen in the past

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in terms of like skin tight costumes that Superman
can wear under his shirt. You know, when he

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rips it open, he has a suit already on. This
outfit is not going under any clothes. If anything,

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it's almost like a jacket that goes over a shirt.
Yeah, unless Clark can't wears nothing but

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chunky sweaters. There's no way we're going
to get that, you know, rip open the shirt to

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get the Superman costume reveal. You're absolutely
right. I also wish they would have gone with

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a suit that was a little bit more clean. This
one definitely looks battle worn, to put it

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nicely. Well, it probably is. I assume that
whatever scene this shot was taken from happens

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later in the movie. Well, if it's battle worn,
he needs to throw that thing in the wash after

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the battle because you don't want to go into
a battle looking like you smell. All right.

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It's just not impressive. It does look stinky,
doesn't it? It looks like a stinky Superman

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suit. I honestly don't hate the suit. It's very
different from what I was expecting. I'm actually

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really looking forward to seeing this thing
in movement and maybe, you know, with him standing

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up without it being so wrinkled and dirty. Because
otherwise, I think it's a pretty good shot.

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I love David Cornswett's hair. Not loving his
jawline, but I'm also assuming that's just

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from him, you know, like, looking down and not
like off into the horizon with this hopeful

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demeanor. He definitely has bulked up. I was
recently looking at photos of him and how much

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bigger he's gotten since being cast as Superman
and the guy's almost as big as Henry Cavill.

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It's insane. Definitely doing steroids. Hopefully
that doesn't affect him long term, but it's

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a thing. I think he looks tired here, but again,
it's not the shot I wanted. I'm sure I would

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have a better impression if they chose a better
pose for the character. He actually reminds

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me a lot of Henry Cavill, which brings us to
our question of the week.

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Which actor wore your favorite Superman suit,
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long, and don't forget to leave your name in
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our favorite answer, and award that person a
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Be sure to answer before May 18th. In other
news, we received word this past week that

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Three major actors have joined the cast of the
MCU's Fantastic Four. We have John Malkovich,

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Ralph Innocent, and Paul Walter Hauser in roles
for that upcoming film. That also stars Pedro

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Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, and Yvonne
Moss-Bachrock. Still not sure if I'm pronouncing

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that correctly. The only actor here that was
announced that is attached to a specific role

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is Ralph Innocent, who's going to play Galactus,
and holy shit, that is a fantastic casting

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choice for Galactus. Yeah, I'm not familiar
with the actor at all, but once I saw his face,

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I was like, yeah, that's Galactus. Yeah, I guess
his face kind of looks like it. I don't think

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it'll be, you know, Ralph Innocent in a purple
rubber suit or anything like that. I'm sure

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they'll go some kind of CG route or motion capture
type thing. But, you know, it's better than

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a cloud. We know that Galactus will actually
have a voice. And what a voice to have in Ralph

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Innocent. The only movie that I've ever seen,
Ralph In, was The Vavitch. And he was. really

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good in that movie. It was that was a scary
movie. Jonathan, you should watch it. Yeah,

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that's not going to happen. His voice is deeper
than the Marianas Trench. Damn. Out of all

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the human beings on Earth, his is probably the
only voice suitable to portraying this world

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devouring godlike character. Yeah, I think it's
solid casting along with John Malkovich and

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Paul Walter Hauser. No idea who these guys are
playing. Of course, John Malkovich could play.

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friggin any role he wants and he would just
nail it. But also Paul Wachterhauser, I only

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know him from the Cobra Kai series, but I'm
really hoping he gets to play Mole Man. Yeah,

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that would be good for Mole Man. Also on the
Discord, I heard someone suggest John Malkovich

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for Puppet Master and that would be absolute
perfection. I think it would be surprising

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if we got Galactus and Puppet Master and Mole
Man in the same film, but you never know, you

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never know. Marvel may be putting all their
chips on the table in order to make sure this

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is the ultimate. Fantastic Four movie. Well,
if it's an alternate universe, maybe they can

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do all of these characters and then just kill
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Perhaps, perhaps. But yeah, super excited for
this movie. I can't wait to get our first look

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at the costume reveals of the Fantastic Four.
I guess we kind of got them as a drawing of

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these characters, but I'm not sure if those
were the final outfits for the FF. We'll see.

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The movie is slated to hit theaters on July
25th, 2025. So a little over a year from now.

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Wait, that's the release date? Yeah. That's
like only a week after Superman is released.

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Good. Superman's being released on July 11th,
2025. Well, I can't wait for the Fantastic

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Four to take all of Superman's money. That'll
make me smile. If you think the Fantastic Four

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are more popular than Superman, you have another
thing coming, my friend. It's not about who's

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more popular. Look at how much money BVS made.
You seem to think it's about popularity when

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in fact it's about what's a better movie. OK,
Superman. Yeah. OK.

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That does it for all the news for this episode.
Now let's move on to the main event, where

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we review season one of the Netflix series,
Dead Boy Detectives.

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Dead Boy Detectives is an 8 episode Netflix
exclusive television series with Steve Yawkey

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as the showrunner, who is also the lead writer
on The Flight Attendant for Max. Dead Boy Detectives

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is the second Netflix series in their Sandman
universe, the first being the acclaimed series

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The Sandman, which we gave 4 and a half stars
in our season 1 review. I'm a big fan of Sandman,

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the Dead Boy Detectives are only a tiny part
of that universe, but But I enjoyed their appearance

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on the Doom Patrol series in season 3 for that
show. The Netflix series was originally going

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to be produced as a spin-off of Doom Patrol
for the Max platform, but Warner Bros. decided

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to allow Netflix to make the show instead as
part of their Sandman universe, which makes

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sense considering the titular characters made
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The characters are admittedly pretty obscure.
So if you don't know anything about them or

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don't want to know anything about the show prior
to watching it, I suggest you hit pause now

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and watch the show because it's pretty damn
good. And then come back and listen to this

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review. Yeah, I highly recommend watching it.
I concur that it is very good. I didn't actually

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want to watch this show at all. I didn't want
to review it. And that is all based off of

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my feelings about the first trailer that came
out for Dead Boy Detective season one, which

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was an atrocity. I actually went back. after
I watched this show and then rewatched that

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trailer and I totally feel like the trailer
editor should have been fired because in no

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way shape or form captured the coolness that
was this show. I totally take back everything

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I said, including my initial gripe that the
two main actors looked too similar to each

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other. Oh yeah. Now, when you actually watch
the show, it's highly apparent that they're

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not even, you know, the same race. I think the
cast was just phenomenal for this show across

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the board. hands down. The cast is definitely
one of the highlights of the series by far

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and I'll get into that later on. But I agree
with you, Netflix is notoriously not great

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with marketing. I kind of feel like they don't
feel like they need to be because they're churning

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out so much content all the time. They tend
to not want to focus on one particular thing,

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especially when it comes to series like these
where people aren't really familiar with the

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characters or there isn't a really big name
attached to it. Again, These characters are

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obscure, even for comic fans. Now in the comics,
the Dead Boy Detectives, namely Edwin Payne

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and Charles Roland, are only 13 years old, but
because they've lived for decades, their stories

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in the comics tended to be a bit more mature
in terms of horror and violence, and they were

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often published by DC's mature imprints such
as Vertigo or Black Label. This series, for

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the most part, matched that same kind of mature
tone. It's TVMA. And in my opinion, The tone

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was a terrific blend of quirky, dark comedy
and weird supernatural horror, very much in

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the same vein as Doom Patrol, a show I loved
and will miss, so it's nice to have this as

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somewhat of a replacement. Absolutely, yeah.
When Doom Patrol finished up its last season,

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it kind of left a void out there in the superhero
television genre. I think Dead Boy Detective

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Season 1 filled that niche perfectly. Which
is high praise because I really liked Doom

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Patrol. Yeah, same. I think fairly high ratings
in the course of its run. But one thing I think

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this series definitely has over Doom Patrol
is its production value. I'm not sure if the

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show is actually more expensive, but it would
not surprise me. Dead Boy Detectives doesn't

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look as expensive as Sandman, but in terms of
the special effects, the cinematography, it's

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all an upgrade from Doom Patrol. And in that
regard. I'm actually glad the show made the

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jump to Netflix because it seems like they really
aren't afraid of investing in the Sandman universe.

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Now, the cast of the Dead Boy Detectives on
Do Patrol, I thought, was terrific. They were

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originally supposed to be in the Max show, but
that changed in the transition to Netflix,

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at least for all of the cast members, except
for the actress who played Night Nurse, strangely

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enough. Yeah, I thought that was strange. She
is a good actress, so I don't know. My impression

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was that the actors who played Charles and Edwin
in the Doom Patrol series were much more comic

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book accurate because I know the characters
like one's a blonde, one's a brunette. And

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on this Netflix show, they're both brunettes
who look like they're 18 years old. In the

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Doom Patrol series, they looked a lot younger.
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They were less accurate to the source material,
but they were still phenomenal. They're their

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own thing. The Doom Patrol cast is absolutely
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I think the new cast definitely captured the
spirit of the characters pretty well. And also

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considering, you know, it is a mature show,
it's not surprising they went with a slightly

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older cast, even though they keep calling them
kids in the show and boys. And I'm like, dude,

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you look like you're 21. Yeah, I've never seen
such a independent group of 16 year olds in

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my entire life. For real. Like going out and
like. Yeah, like renting rooms and stuff like

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that. I wasn't doing that at 16. When I first
saw the trailer for this, I was pretty sad

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that they didn't go with a Doom Patrol cast.
That didn't survive very long once I started

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watching the show, because, as I mentioned earlier,
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is its charismatic cast and their chemistry.
Charismatic is the perfect word for sure. Yeah,

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and the charisma goes even beyond the leads.
Like even with. basic filler, you could say

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superfluous characters such as Nico and Jenny,
it's kind of hard to imagine the show without

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them because the actors gave such endearing
performances. While the show's major drawback

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is that it's loaded with story threads and subplots
that lead nowhere, such as Nico's parents or

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Jenny's stalker, there's still enough to enjoy
there that you wouldn't mind if the characters

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returned for a second season with how well they
work with the main characters of Edwin, Charles,

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and Crystal. Yeah, I think this is the only
show where I didn't mind getting sidetracked

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a little bit. I don't know why. I don't know
if it was due to the serial nature of the show,

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kind of where they were working on a different
case every episode. But I just enjoyed the

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world building, I guess. And the more they expanded
on that, the more I felt like I was immersed

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into the small Washington town. Yeah, I don't
know if I would describe the show as serial.

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I would probably describe it as procedural.
It had this procedural nature, almost like.

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You know, a NYPD blue episode where there's
like a new case to solve each week, a new mystery

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for the detectives to solve each episode. I
loved that. Yeah, it was fun to watch. That's

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what I was hoping She-Hulk would be, where it
would be a new law case every week. But that

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didn't quite pan out. Yeah, that would have
made She-Hulk so much better. And that show

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had like a lot of side characters as well. You
know, I feel like Dead Boy Detectives is a

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perfect template for how She-Hulk should have
gone. Exactly. I would have loved that. Now

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in terms of smaller characters such as Cat King,
Tragic Mick the Walrus, and the foul-mouthed

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Dandelion sprites, who I'm sure some people
found annoying, but I found hilarious, they

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also seem to blend themselves into the overarching
story and the episodic nature seamlessly almost.

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There were a few cameos that didn't quite work
I think, but may later on in subsequent seasons,

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including Despair and I don't know if you remember
him. He was the ringed man inside of Angie

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the sea monster. No idea who that guy is. I
don't recognize him from the comics, but to

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be fair, I haven't read all of the Dead Boy
Detective graphic novels yet. If I had to guess

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though, maybe he's a character we'll see appear
again in Sandman, though that's just a shot

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in the dark. I actually liked the despair cameo.
I thought that was just a very surreal scene

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when Edwin meets her among the floating mirrors.
Yeah, that was interesting. And I guess it

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also kind of fit with the whole nature of how
Edwin and Charles are able to traverse the

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world by going through mirrors. Now, that's
something that they took from the Doom Patrol

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show when they traversed the mirror into the
underworld. They don't do that in the comics.

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They can teleport naturally wherever they want,
although it's like uncomfortable for them to

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do so. The whole mirror play was interesting.
And I wonder if they did that with the intention

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of playing upon despair, because her whole realm.
is mirrors in the comics. Interesting. Well,

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she did tell Edwin that, you know, they were
friends now and that she would be seeing him

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again later. I'm assuming maybe in Sandman season
two. I hope so. I would love to see these guys

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make an appearance, because actually they're
due for one in the next season if they're following

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the comic books. It was like issue 25, I believe,
of Sandman, which would fall in season two

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of where the characters were introduced. Nice.
But let's talk more about the characters in

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the character breakdown. starting with Edwin
Payne. Now he was played by George Rexdrew,

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and this is basically his first performance
ever on screen. As you mentioned, he definitely

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didn't look like the character from the comics,
but he gave a fantastic performance, I thought,

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for sure. As this brainy amateur magician of
the group, you know, one who died as a ritual

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sacrifice to a demon at his school, and whose
soul was traded amongst the demons in Hell,

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which he eventually escaped. When he returns
to the mortal plane, in the same place where

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he died, the attic of his school, he found Charles
there dying and he stayed with him. I'm not

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sure if he did that out of sympathy for someone
else at the school who was bullied and killed,

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like in the comics, or from romantic attraction
to Charles, which has only recently come out

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in the comics, or because he wanted to start
doing good to avoid hell should he ever be

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caught by death. It may have been all of the
above, but motivation wise, Being good and

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doing good to avoid hell is definitely what
drives Edwin in the series. A truth that was

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revealed to him by the Cat King. You know, Edwin
helps ghosts because he loved detective stories

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when he was alive and because it's the right
thing to do. I am still shocked that you said

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that this was his first performance because
I thought the actor as Edwin did a phenomenal

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job. I totally bought him as this like young...
gay Sherlock Holmes with some like Constantine-esque

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magic tricks at his disposal. And I think he
did a really good job of not only selling him

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as this like closed off character who's actually
been through lifetimes of misery, but also

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I think he sold the romantic aspects too. You
know, this pining for someone that is unattainable

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just felt very tragic and there's a lot that's
tragic about Edwin and it all just came across

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expertly. Yeah, the romantic angle was a slow
build, but it felt very natural. I think they

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did a terrific job with that. Yeah, there was
a huge payoff when he finally admitted his

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feelings to Charles. And I think I remember
that from the Doom Patrol series too. I think

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they said that Edwin was attracted to Charles.
But yeah, that felt like such an epic moment,

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not only because they were escaping hell, but
because the emotional stakes were so huge as

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well. So you just had a lot going on there.
It felt very climactic. Oh yeah, absolutely.

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That was one of my favorite episodes, actually.
But for as much as he has romantic feelings

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for Charles, you could also see Edwin continuing
his magic studies and detective work without

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him if it ever came to that. Whereas Charles
definitely seems to be more attached to Edwin,

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interestingly. He's protective over him because
he is a good friend in that way. Yeah, exactly.

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Now, one difference from the comics that I wanna
point out that I thought they did really well

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in the show was the reason that he went to hell.
Now, that's never explained in the comics.

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He was sacrificed by bullies in the school,
but like, why would that send someone to hell?

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The reasoning for him to go to hell in the show
is, you know, because he was a sacrifice to

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a demon, so the demon took him, I thought was
much better. You never see that in the comic.

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That was a horrifying but quirky scene in that,
you know, the demon showed up during the sacrifice

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and killed everybody. But kind of, it seems
like he knew that Edwin was being sacrificed

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unethically or something, because he's like,
Yeah. Sorry, mate. Gotta take you cause you're

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a sacrifice. Let's go, you know? It's a technicality.
What are you gonna do? Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

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Moving on to Charles Rowland, he was played
by Jaden Reverie, who is a veteran actor, but

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I thought his chemistry with George Ruxrew was
perfect. They're both fantastic actors. Yeah,

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I remember during the trailer that like I did
not wanna like this show, as I think I've mentioned

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before. I think my fear of the show was that
it would be too- Gen Z for me because just

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the look of the actor who plays Edwin seems
very of the current time, you know, of the

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current young generation of people. And the
show itself, I thought would be unapproachable

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because I wouldn't get a lot of it. But if anything,
it helped me feel a little bit more connected

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to Gen Z. It's pretty interesting. It is interesting
because his look actually isn't, I guess it

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is Gen Z, but that's just circling back to the
time, the 80s, when Charles died, which was

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the late 80s. Yeah, it's fascinating how style
kind of revolves like that. Now, Charles is

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the muscle and feisty gadgeteer of sorts for
the group. He's equipped with a bag that can

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hold an infinite number of items, including
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Charles is also motivated like Edwin to do good,
not because of where he'll go in the afterlife,

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but because he always tried to please his abusive
father in life. And now he likes to please

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his friend Edwin, who was there for him when
no one else ever was. and of course, Crystal,

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his love interest. We were talking about how
tragic Edwin's character was. I think that

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Charles is just as tragic. That was so heartbreaking
later on in the series when we actually see

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how Charles died. It made me angry because he
didn't deserve that. You know, neither of these

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boys deserve to die and it made you want to
root for them in the afterlife, especially

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when you get those speeches from Edwin, I think
in like episode two, where he was like, no

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one cared about our murders. Like they weren't.
bothered to be solved or anything like that.

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So we have to solve these cases for the people
like us. And the whole abuse thing with Charles

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specifically just broke my heart. Oh, absolutely.
Yeah. His origin is interesting in that it's

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another example of how this show borrowed elements
from the Doom Patrol, specifically him being

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stoned in a river where he also caught hypothermia.
In the comics, Charles was burned and stabbed

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by the same bullies that sacrificed Edwin 70
years earlier. When they died, they went to

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hell, but in the comics, Lucifer gave up on
ruling hell, so all of the denizens of hell

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came back to the mortal plane. That's how Edwin
came back, that's how his bullies came back,

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and the same ones who killed Edwin were the
same ones who killed Charles. Interesting.

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Yeah, I don't know if I like that as much. No,
this show was a perfect adaptation in that

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it improved the source of material, in my opinion.
Moving on to Crystal Palace, she was played

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by Cassius Nelson. I don't know too much about
her other than she's a Brit who can pull off

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a hell of an American accent. Oh, my God. I
didn't even know she was a Brit. I liked the

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Crystal Palace that was in Doom Patrol. I remember
thinking after watching the trailer that I

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don't understand why they cast this new Crystal
Palace, and I could not be more wrong. So wrong

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was so good in this series. She was so good,
she blew me away with almost every line delivery.

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She's phenomenal. I could totally see why she
was cast. And I think I judged her way too

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harshly based off of just simple lines like,
that's a fucking stupid name, just because

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I didn't want to agree with what she was saying.
But you know, her whole arc is that she was

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kind of an asshole back in the day. This is
her redemption arc, as it were. It's also your

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redemption arc, apparently. It is my- yeah.
Absolutely. She was phenomenal. Yeah, no, the

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actress who played her, Cassius Nelson, Cassius,
I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing her name correctly.

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But yeah, she's definitely going places. I will
be learning how to pronounce her name as I'm

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sure everyone will be because yeah, she's fantastic.
She's definitely the breakout star of the show.

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Dude, everyone, everyone is the breakout star
of the show. Her, Nico, Jenny, the boys, everyone.

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That's true, fair enough. No, Crystal is the
psychic human of the group who proves her value

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to the boys. through her psychic visions and
ability to interact with other humans to get

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easy answers. Her motivation in the show is
twofold. One to find out more about her past

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and eventually return home, but also to prove
that David, the demon who possessed her and

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continues to torment her throughout the series,
is wrong about her nature and that she is in

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fact a good person capable of doing good things.
So it's interesting how the three main characters

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sort of have the same motivation in the series
of simply to do good. She has less strong feelings

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for Charles as he does for her, but the love
triangle between the three results in some

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decent tension for the story that I thought
worked really well. In the comics, Crystal's

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parents were jerk performance artists who simply
let her do whatever she wanted, but she was

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always a nice person and to my knowledge she
was never possessed by a demon named David.

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That's an original character, but I thought
a strong one and it's like a great ghost for

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the character, like this haunted past for her.
that worked really well with the story. And

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again, another example of how the show plusses
the comic. Plus that exorcism scene was just

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really cool. Oh yeah, when David runs out underneath
the sheet out of the subway. Yeah. That was

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cool. Now there's a ton of characters. I do
want to touch on the two villains before we

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get into the plot breakdown, starting with Night
Nurse. She was played by Ruth Cornell. Again,

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she was the same actress who played a very different
version of Night Nurse in the Doom Patrol show.

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Now she's not to be confused with Asa, the Nightmare
Nurse from Justice League Dark, though I think

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she may have been an inspiration for the character.
Night Nurse is original to Doom Patrol and

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the series. Now Night Nurse is a strict, by
the book, caretaker of the children's nursery

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in the afterlife. A limbo of sorts that tracks
the souls of dead children and ushers them

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where they need to go. I didn't really like
her character initially, like her scenes were

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the most dull to me. even though I understood
she represented the stakes of Edwin and Charles

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being hunted by death. I did get her motivation,
however, that she felt Edwin and Charles were

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cheating death and I also liked how she ended
up helping the boys in the end, even being

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assigned to be their handler. That was fantastic.
I loved that reversal because, you know, she

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is charismatic as well. You didn't really root
against her because you kind of understood

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00:36:41,847 --> 00:36:46,442
where she was coming from like you said. So
to all of a sudden have these characters working

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00:36:46,502 --> 00:36:51,867
together by the end was a nice turn of events.
Moving on to the other villain, Esther Finch,

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she was played by Jen Lyon, who was fantastic
and effortlessly charismatic in her performance.

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It's kind of hammy, but in the best way, and
it looked like she had a ton of fun with the

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role. This was another actress that I was hating
on in the trailer because just like the weird

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00:37:09,123 --> 00:37:13,706
line delivery that she gave when she was like,
Monty, I'm trying to... threaten some boys

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00:37:13,847 --> 00:37:17,329
or something. I was like, this is so fucking
stupid. But then when you actually see it in

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context of who the character is, yeah, it looks
like she had a blast with the role. It was

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00:37:22,373 --> 00:37:27,357
perfect casting. It's like she was born to play
that role. Exactly. Actually, I felt that way

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00:37:27,377 --> 00:37:32,081
about most of the characters in this cast. Like
I'm sure I'll see a few of them in other roles

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00:37:32,121 --> 00:37:36,384
down the line, but I'm always gonna remember
them for these specific roles because a lot

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of them are unknown to me. and they did such
a fantastic, iconic job with their performances.

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Cannot say enough good things about the cast.
Now Esther was a woman who turned to witchcraft

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to punish her cheating husband during the pioneering
days of America's Pacific coast. After being

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00:37:53,169 --> 00:37:58,653
granted immortality by Lilith, the patron of
wronged women, Esther was forced to feed on

417
00:37:58,673 --> 00:38:03,197
the souls of young girls to her pet snake in
order to maintain her youth and beauty across

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00:38:03,217 --> 00:38:09,104
the centuries. She's motivated by revenge against
the boys for rescuing a young girl that she

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00:38:09,124 --> 00:38:14,666
was going to feed on. It takes a while for the
show to reveal her teeth-face mushroom monster

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00:38:14,706 --> 00:38:20,509
plan, but I could see why due to the procedural
nature of the show. And despite the lack of

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00:38:20,549 --> 00:38:26,351
reveal of her plan early on, she was still like
a credible threat whenever she appeared in

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00:38:26,391 --> 00:38:30,173
the background. Yeah, fantastic villain. I thought
they were, you know, over and done with her

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00:38:30,233 --> 00:38:35,007
by episode one. And I thought even in the final
episode, she made for a fantastic climax. Yeah,

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she did. Like the way she beat the shit out
of the cat king, you know. Oh, there was any

425
00:38:39,948 --> 00:38:44,170
cast member I didn't like. It was probably the
cat king. He was just really sleazy. Yeah,

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00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:49,531
I could get that. I didn't want to like him.
But honestly, the actor also just nailed the

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00:38:49,551 --> 00:38:55,113
performance in a way that didn't make it feel
as cheesy as it should have been. So I was

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00:38:55,153 --> 00:38:56,673
just impressed by that fact alone.

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Moving on to the story highlights, the first
episode was called The Case of Crystal Palace.

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00:39:57,316 --> 00:40:01,837
After British ghost detectives Edwin Payne and
Charles Rowland help a ghost soldier from World

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00:40:01,857 --> 00:40:06,978
War I cross into the afterlife, avoiding death
in the process, the duo takes on a new case

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00:40:06,998 --> 00:40:12,740
to help a young demon-possessed amnesiac psychic
named Crystal Palace. After exorcising her

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00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:17,901
demon, Crystal convinces the friends to travel
with her to port towns in Washington in America.

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00:40:18,262 --> 00:40:23,246
to find a missing girl named Becky that Crystal
psychically deduced was still alive after touching

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00:40:23,286 --> 00:40:28,251
the boy's mail. After getting lodging above
a butcher shop, the trio learns that Becky

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00:40:28,271 --> 00:40:34,137
is trapped in a witch's house. After a flashback
to Edwin's death in the 1910s, Edwin uses a

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00:40:34,177 --> 00:40:39,362
magic string to trap a cat and learn more about
the witch, after which the trio makes a plan

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00:40:39,382 --> 00:40:44,471
to break into her house. Before they escape
with Becky, The witch, named Esther Finch,

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00:40:44,591 --> 00:40:49,855
confronts and injures them, forcing Charles
to possess her and rescue the team. After Becky

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00:40:49,895 --> 00:40:54,318
is returned home, the Lost and Found department
in the Netherworld is notified of Charles'

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00:40:54,438 --> 00:40:59,402
act of possession, bringing Kim and Edwin to
the attention of the Night Nurse. I will admit

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00:40:59,442 --> 00:41:03,205
that the first episode I think was actually
my least favorite, even though it was really

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00:41:03,225 --> 00:41:08,829
good and I was compelled to watch more. I think
it just had too much load to bear, basically.

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00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:14,330
We had to get through all these introductions
and whatnot. And while eventually the show

452
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:18,733
ended up getting its bearings starting in episode
two, when we started getting a more procedural

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00:41:18,913 --> 00:41:23,697
formula for the show, it did kind of stumble
out of the gate, I think. But still good. I

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00:41:23,737 --> 00:41:27,420
agree with you. But honestly, it was one of
my favorite episodes just because of how well

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00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:32,385
it set up the premise of the series, I guess.
Yeah, and it was successful in the setup. I'll

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00:41:32,425 --> 00:41:37,829
say that, especially with the tone and the characters.
I guess it was less successful in terms of

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00:41:37,969 --> 00:41:44,040
plotting. as an individuel standalone piece.
I really liked the action of this first episode,

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00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,663
like right off the bat. You see Edwin and Charles
running from this World War One ghost, and

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00:41:48,683 --> 00:41:52,445
they're like hopping through mirrors and like
casting spells and getting like blood dripped

460
00:41:52,485 --> 00:41:56,747
on them and stuff. I really enjoyed it. I also
really enjoyed seeing death. I was like, oh,

461
00:41:56,847 --> 00:42:03,171
shit, it's death from Sandman. It's Kirby. How
about East? She's too nice. I want to see her

462
00:42:03,211 --> 00:42:08,926
like get angry once, you know, dude, you like
never see that in the comics. Really? Yeah,

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00:42:08,946 --> 00:42:14,969
that's too bad. Moving on to episode two, the
case of the Dandelion Shrine. As the trio attempts

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00:42:15,009 --> 00:42:19,311
to leave Port Townsend, they're confronted by
a cluster of cats that take them to the Cat

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00:42:19,331 --> 00:42:24,394
King, whose angry Edwin used magic on one of
his cats and traps him in Port Townsend with

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00:42:24,414 --> 00:42:29,917
a magic bracelet. While the boys go to a shop
of magic artifacts owned by a man named Tragic

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00:42:30,037 --> 00:42:35,700
Mick, Crystal encounters her new neighbor, a
young girl named Niko Saki, who's emitting

468
00:42:35,801 --> 00:42:41,179
colorful lights and faints. After Charles uses
a mirror to return to their detective office

469
00:42:41,419 --> 00:42:46,382
back in London to collect magical reference
books, the boys learn that parasitic dandelion

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00:42:46,422 --> 00:42:51,765
sprites have infected Nico and she's in danger
of exploding. While following a map through

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00:42:51,785 --> 00:42:56,347
the forest to where Nico was infected, the boys
learn that the sprites can be trapped in an

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00:42:56,408 --> 00:43:02,071
enchanted vessel. Just before Nico explodes,
Crystal uses herself as bait for the sprites

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00:43:02,111 --> 00:43:08,154
new host while Charles traps them in an enchanted
jar they procured from the magic shop. After

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00:43:08,194 --> 00:43:13,156
the ordeal, Nico's hair turns white and her
near-death experience allows her to see ghosts,

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00:43:13,577 --> 00:43:18,319
and the boy's ghost mailman informs them that
all the ghosts in town have heard about them.

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00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:24,623
Meanwhile, Esther turns her pet crow into a
human boy named Monty to seduce Edwin. I just

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00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:29,025
want to say that I love Nico. She was so fantastic
in this. We should all strive to be more like

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00:43:29,105 --> 00:43:36,842
Nico and Charles because as far as I'm concerned,
they're the best people in fiction. She was

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00:43:36,862 --> 00:43:41,403
fantastic, and while this case was probably
one of the least interesting cases out of the

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00:43:41,443 --> 00:43:46,064
entire season, I think the actress is the one
who made it endearing. Yeah, absolutely. I

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00:43:46,104 --> 00:43:51,306
agree with everything you said. What's interesting
is that Nico is an original character. She's

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00:43:51,366 --> 00:43:56,907
not in the comics. So I think including her
is just a stroke of genius for the writers.

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00:43:56,927 --> 00:44:02,289
I'm not surprised that she's an original character.
She just seems too unique and special to not

484
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:06,370
be conceived of on the spot in the making of
the show. I think one interesting thing they

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00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:12,213
did in this episode is trap the boys in this
town with the bracelet that Edwin is forced

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00:44:12,233 --> 00:44:18,617
to wear. It was a smart way to keep the show
cheap, I think. Yeah. Well, it did a lot of

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00:44:18,637 --> 00:44:24,320
things. I mean, the whole trapping them there
addressed, you know, Edwin's burgeoning sexuality.

488
00:44:24,901 --> 00:44:30,784
It addressed a lot of their individuel character
arcs. It did things like made Nico a main character

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00:44:31,204 --> 00:44:35,466
in this season. And Esther a villain. Yeah,
I was initially annoyed that they actually

490
00:44:35,486 --> 00:44:40,228
got trapped there because I think I wanted the
show to take place in London, but, you know,

491
00:44:40,268 --> 00:44:44,429
by the end I was perfectly happy with the setting.
Yeah, and who knows, maybe season two will

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00:44:44,449 --> 00:44:49,991
take place in London. Yeah. Episode three was
titled, The Case of the Devlin House. After

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00:44:50,031 --> 00:44:54,392
meeting with dozens of ghosts, the boys decide
to accept a case involving a grisly murder

494
00:44:54,452 --> 00:44:59,734
slash suicide that happened in a neighborhood
house a couple of decades prior. After learning

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00:44:59,854 --> 00:45:04,555
more about the notorious Devlin murders from
Jenny the Butcher and the library, Edwin and

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00:45:04,575 --> 00:45:09,416
Nico meet Monty, while the night nurse is prevented
from going to find the boys on the mortal plane

497
00:45:09,476 --> 00:45:14,938
due to afterlife bureaucracy and red tape. While
visiting the Devlin house hours before it's

498
00:45:14,958 --> 00:45:19,599
scheduled to be demolished, Crystal and the
boys witness a repeated loop of the ghosts

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00:45:19,939 --> 00:45:25,461
of the Devlin family reliving their grisly deaths
at the hands of their father. Emotionally traumatized,

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00:45:25,741 --> 00:45:30,902
Charles attempts to stop the father. but gets
stuck in the loop as well. After discovering

501
00:45:31,002 --> 00:45:36,644
a VHS recording of the murders in a hidden room
in the house, Edwin manages to erase the tape

502
00:45:36,684 --> 00:45:42,105
while Crystal is meanwhile tormented by David,
her former love interest and a demon. With

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00:45:42,125 --> 00:45:46,927
the tape erased, the Devlin ghosts are able
to move into the afterlife, and Charles becomes

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00:45:47,047 --> 00:45:52,088
unstuck from the loop. While Monty meets up
with Edwin once again, the Night Nurse learns

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00:45:52,188 --> 00:45:57,858
the location of the boys from the Devlin children.
Now, like Charles, And I guess all three of

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00:45:57,878 --> 00:46:02,801
them, this was kind of a hard episode to watch.
It was it was horrifying. Yeah, I mean, you

507
00:46:02,821 --> 00:46:07,663
see repeatedly the father murder his wife and
daughters with an axe. It's definitely TVMA,

508
00:46:07,723 --> 00:46:13,687
right? But there's this almost not a true crime
appeal, but it's the same kind of appeal where

509
00:46:13,707 --> 00:46:18,589
you see these horrific things being brought
to justice. Yeah, true. Yeah. Am I the only

510
00:46:18,649 --> 00:46:22,792
one that was super annoyed by Monty? Yeah, he's
probably my least favorite character in the

511
00:46:22,832 --> 00:46:28,467
whole show. I think he's kind of supposed to
be. supposed to get on people's nerves and

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00:46:28,487 --> 00:46:33,132
then kind of redeem himself in the end. And
I think he did kind of become this tragic figure.

513
00:46:33,192 --> 00:46:38,137
But until he got there, I was just super annoyed
by the kid. Like, I didn't want to see him.

514
00:46:38,697 --> 00:46:43,242
He was dumb. I think it was partly because of
how uncomfortable he made Edwin as well. That

515
00:46:43,282 --> 00:46:49,007
just bothered me a little too. He was like so
forward with him when Edwin was uncomfortable

516
00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:54,180
with who he was necessarily at that point. Exactly,
yet you saw how uncomfortable Edwin was with

517
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,563
the cat king, and to see some other character
just kind of being real pushy in that regard

518
00:46:58,703 --> 00:47:03,087
just made you want him to go away. Moving on
to episode 4, which was called The Case of

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00:47:03,127 --> 00:47:07,651
the Lighthouse Leapers. After Crystal and Nico
question Jenny about anonymous love letters

520
00:47:07,831 --> 00:47:13,155
she's receiving, a ghost lightkeeper arrives
and requests their services to help stop people

521
00:47:13,195 --> 00:47:17,659
from jumping off of his lighthouse. Crystal,
Nico, and the boys arrive at the lighthouse

522
00:47:17,699 --> 00:47:22,254
just in time to see a woman jump from the top
and become a ghost. insisting she heard from

523
00:47:22,274 --> 00:47:27,076
a loved one that told her to jump. While several
other ghosts tell Charles and Crystal the same

524
00:47:27,116 --> 00:47:31,918
thing, and Crystal nearly succumbs to jumping
herself after hearing her mother's voice call

525
00:47:31,958 --> 00:47:37,221
to her, Edwin is visited by the King of Cats
who accuses Edwin of having romantic feelings

526
00:47:37,241 --> 00:47:42,663
for Charles, and Nico learns in a nearby gift
shop of the local legend of the Washer Woman,

527
00:47:42,803 --> 00:47:48,266
who lends guidance to those in need. Nico finds
a red shard of sea glass on the shore, allowing

528
00:47:48,286 --> 00:47:52,748
them to meet with the washerwoman who tells
them the Jumpers are being lured to their deaths

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00:47:53,008 --> 00:47:58,990
by a sea monster. While Night Nurse confronts
Jenny about the location of Crystal, she, Nico,

530
00:47:59,010 --> 00:48:03,872
and the boys visit Tragic Mix's shop, who informs
them that their monster sounds like a giant

531
00:48:03,972 --> 00:48:09,435
anglerfish named Angie and sells them a musical
device that will put her to sleep. After getting

532
00:48:09,535 --> 00:48:14,457
meat from the butcher to use as bait, the group
returns to the lighthouse where they are confronted

533
00:48:14,537 --> 00:48:19,497
by the Night Nurse. who torments Charles with
visions of how he was bullied, abused, and

534
00:48:19,577 --> 00:48:25,062
killed. Enraged, Charles beats Night Nurse with
the musical device, knocking her into the sea

535
00:48:25,082 --> 00:48:30,687
where she's swallowed up by Angie, who leaves
the lighthouse. Back home, Charles and Crystal

536
00:48:30,727 --> 00:48:35,712
share a kiss. This was actually probably my
favorite episode because we finally got a chance

537
00:48:35,732 --> 00:48:41,097
to see Charles' origin. And though it was tragic,
it kind of cemented Charles as my favorite

538
00:48:41,117 --> 00:48:44,522
character of the show. Yeah, he was probably
my favorite character of the show too. This

539
00:48:44,562 --> 00:48:48,083
was a fantastic episode. The latter half was
definitely better than the first half. The

540
00:48:48,123 --> 00:48:52,285
first half posed a lot of questions that never
really quite get answered throughout the rest

541
00:48:52,325 --> 00:48:57,146
of the season, such as who is the gift shop
owner? What's the deal with the riddle talking,

542
00:48:57,186 --> 00:49:01,667
washing woman? How the hell does Anglerfish
get that big and nobody notices things like

543
00:49:01,687 --> 00:49:06,389
that? I think it was a supernatural anglerfish.
Sea monster. Obviously. I don't think it was

544
00:49:06,409 --> 00:49:12,711
a real anglerfish, Joseph. But yeah, the latter
half of the episode was actually extremely

545
00:49:12,771 --> 00:49:16,794
powerful. And then you got that kiss at the
end, which felt like an oh shit moment because

546
00:49:16,814 --> 00:49:21,998
you knew all the emotional stakes that were
going around. Right, exactly. Episode 5 was

547
00:49:22,038 --> 00:49:26,801
titled The Case of the Two Dead Dragons. While
the boys are approached by the ghosts of two

548
00:49:26,841 --> 00:49:31,424
murdered high school jocks to find out who murdered
them, Nico identifies Jenny's anonymous love

549
00:49:31,464 --> 00:49:36,848
letter scribe as the local librarian, Lindsay.
After investigating the area in the woods where

550
00:49:36,868 --> 00:49:41,475
the jocks' bodies were found and finding nothing,
Crystal and the boys visit the local high school

551
00:49:41,495 --> 00:49:46,258
in disguise to question the students. There,
they are directed by a boy named Richie, who

552
00:49:46,318 --> 00:49:51,402
is bullied by the Jocks, and informs them that
one of the Jocks' ex-girlfriends, Shelby, killed

553
00:49:51,422 --> 00:49:56,706
herself months after the Jocks were found dead.
After using a spell to summon Shelby's ghost,

554
00:49:57,026 --> 00:50:01,450
Shelby tells them that the Jocks were jerks
who ruined her life. When Crystal gets a phone

555
00:50:01,490 --> 00:50:05,753
call from Marin, one of the Jocks' girlfriends
at the time of their death, Crystal goes to

556
00:50:05,813 --> 00:50:10,079
visit her house. where the boys deduce that
Marin was the one who poisoned and killed the

557
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:15,721
jocks and was about to kill Crystal as well.
When confronted, Marin confesses to poisoning

558
00:50:15,761 --> 00:50:19,823
the jocks after they threaten to send nude photos
of her to everyone on their football team.

559
00:50:20,203 --> 00:50:25,005
While Marin turns herself into the police, Jenny
has dinner with Lindsay at the butcher shop,

560
00:50:25,325 --> 00:50:29,827
only to learn that Lindsay has been stalking
her at night. When Lindsay is asked to leave,

561
00:50:29,847 --> 00:50:35,546
she becomes violent, but slips and dies via
brain impalement while attacking Jenny. After

562
00:50:35,566 --> 00:50:40,731
the jocks learn who killed them, they cross
over into Hell, and Crystal is once again tormented

563
00:50:40,771 --> 00:50:46,936
by David. When Monty kisses Edwin, Edwin confesses
that he has feelings for someone else. This

564
00:50:46,956 --> 00:50:51,520
was actually probably my least favorite episode,
and I think a lot of it has to do with just

565
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:57,746
the jocks being jerks. Yeah, the jocks were
assholes. They deserved to burn in Hell. That

566
00:50:57,766 --> 00:51:00,689
was actually a pretty cool special effect when
they got dragged there. I actually really liked

567
00:51:00,729 --> 00:51:05,355
this episode. To me, one of the things that
sticks out in my mind most when thinking about

568
00:51:05,415 --> 00:51:11,859
the show overall is how uncomfortable the scene
was between the stalker librarian chick and

569
00:51:11,939 --> 00:51:18,443
the butcher lady when the librarian mentioned
that she thought she was so cute in her pajama

570
00:51:18,583 --> 00:51:24,046
oversized t-shirt. And just that moment, that
like, oh, shit moment. And then like just fucking

571
00:51:24,066 --> 00:51:28,388
went crazy. Like I know this whole scene had
no bearing on the season as a whole, but it

572
00:51:28,408 --> 00:51:33,670
was my favorite like side plot by far. just
because how fucking bonkers it was. Like she

573
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:37,871
started chasing her with a butcher knife and
then she fucking tripped and fell onto a spike.

574
00:51:38,191 --> 00:51:43,213
Holy shit, man. My jaw was on the floor. Yeah,
I agree. Like this was definitely my favorite

575
00:51:43,253 --> 00:51:48,114
part of an episode that I didn't really care
for. The actresses just totally pulled off

576
00:51:48,234 --> 00:51:54,256
everything. Again, the cast, so good. Even minor
characters like the librarian. Right, believable

577
00:51:54,316 --> 00:51:59,297
as a total psycho all of a sudden. Totally,
totally. Episode six was titled, The Case of

578
00:51:59,337 --> 00:52:04,114
the Creeping Forest. When Crystal and Niko visit
Tragic Mick to find something that will get

579
00:52:04,154 --> 00:52:08,996
David out of Crystal's mind, they learn about
Mick's past as a walrus before they're given

580
00:52:09,036 --> 00:52:14,537
an artifact known as the Light of Heart, which,
when used, causes Crystal to accidentally remove

581
00:52:14,557 --> 00:52:20,199
her powers of psychic insight as well. After
Esther grows a magic mushroom, she orders Monty

582
00:52:20,219 --> 00:52:25,960
to lure Crystal and the boys into the forest,
where her trap awaits. Making up a story about

583
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:31,318
a missing ghost friend named Gladys, Monty successfully
gets them into the forest, where they find

584
00:52:31,378 --> 00:52:37,201
traces of ghost fungus, which is deadly to ghosts.
Despite Edwin developing a formula to kill

585
00:52:37,241 --> 00:52:41,804
the fungus, it continues to grow and the boys
realize it's coming from an interdimensional

586
00:52:41,844 --> 00:52:46,747
creature. When the team splits up to locate
the creature, Edwin and Crystal are attacked

587
00:52:46,767 --> 00:52:53,111
by David, but manage to defeat him. Monty, despite
still being hurt over Edwin's unrequited feelings,

588
00:52:53,391 --> 00:52:58,202
has a change of heart and attempts to get Edwin
out of the forest and Esther's trap. but not

589
00:52:58,222 --> 00:53:03,166
before the Cat King appears, who outs Moti as
Esther's crow and reveals the boys are falling

590
00:53:03,226 --> 00:53:09,211
into a trap set up by Esther. Moti leaves in
shame only to run into Esther who kills and

591
00:53:09,251 --> 00:53:14,515
converts him back into a crow. Just as Edwin
finds Charles and Crystal to warn them of Esther's

592
00:53:14,555 --> 00:53:21,020
trap, Esther attacks with her mushroom creature,
Teeth Face, who attempts to eat the boys. Meanwhile,

593
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:26,525
Crystal discovers within her the magic spirits
of her ancestors, reawakening her psychic powers

594
00:53:26,645 --> 00:53:32,245
and then some. which allows her to defeat Teethface
and Esther, burying them both in the forest

595
00:53:32,345 --> 00:53:37,610
and saving the boys. Back home, Night Nurse
finds the boys and threatens to take them into

596
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:43,515
the afterlife when suddenly a demon erupts from
hell and steals Edwin, who loses the Cat King's

597
00:53:43,555 --> 00:53:48,178
bracelet in the process. This was a great episode
except for one thing, and it was actually my

598
00:53:48,238 --> 00:53:53,203
least favorite moment of the entire season.
And it was when Crystal defeated the fungus

599
00:53:53,263 --> 00:53:57,610
monster. She basically stuck her hands into
the ground and was like... Hey, leave them

600
00:53:57,650 --> 00:54:01,771
alone. And the monster was like, oops, sorry.
And then like left. It was like, it couldn't

601
00:54:01,791 --> 00:54:07,113
have been that simple. I understand that it
was, I guess, supposed to be this great psychic

602
00:54:07,193 --> 00:54:14,315
feat or whatnot. But to have the mushroom monster
just kind of like apologize and leave undersold

603
00:54:14,375 --> 00:54:19,997
the stakes that I think it was supposed to pose.
Yeah, it was pretty anticlimactic. I'll agree

604
00:54:20,017 --> 00:54:26,832
with that. But I also liked the original aspect
of Crystal and how she was a descendant of

605
00:54:26,852 --> 00:54:31,174
this ancient line of sorceresses. I almost got
the impression that she was a descendant of

606
00:54:31,234 --> 00:54:36,876
Lilith herself, though I may just be making
that up. It felt very Black Panther, you know,

607
00:54:37,076 --> 00:54:42,819
on the ancestral plane. Okay, Black Panther
does not have a monopoly on African culture,

608
00:54:42,939 --> 00:54:47,841
my friend. Well, that seemed like it was Jamaican
culture, but the purple tree and everything,

609
00:54:47,961 --> 00:54:54,670
come on. I liked this episode overall. It definitely
had the most shocking moment to me when all

610
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:58,653
of a sudden at the very end of this episode,
a demon snatches Edwin to go back to hell.

611
00:54:58,693 --> 00:55:03,657
I was like, holy shit, next episode, next episode.
Yeah, that was horrifying. The next episode,

612
00:55:03,737 --> 00:55:09,182
episode seven, was titled The Case of the Very
Long Stairway. Now Esther emerges from the

613
00:55:09,202 --> 00:55:14,386
ground pissed and confronts the cat king about
revealing her trap, beating him to death and

614
00:55:14,406 --> 00:55:19,770
taking one of his nine lives. In the process,
she learns that Edwin is in hell, but has escaped

615
00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:25,055
before, which inspires a new plan for Esther.
Meanwhile, Charles pleads with Night Nurse

616
00:55:25,075 --> 00:55:30,019
to open a portal to Hell for him to save Edwin,
and after seeing how the two boys first met,

617
00:55:30,399 --> 00:55:36,124
Night Nurse is moved into helping Charles. Using
Edwin's notes, Charles navigates Hell, while

618
00:55:36,224 --> 00:55:41,269
Edwin finds one of the boys who killed him and
despair of the Endless. Crystal meanwhile seeks

619
00:55:41,329 --> 00:55:45,833
out her demon ex-boyfriend for her own way into
Hell to help Edwin after Charles refused to

620
00:55:45,993 --> 00:55:50,679
let her come with him. Jenny follows Crystal,
however, and she ends up being possessed by

621
00:55:50,759 --> 00:55:56,362
David, who then attacks Crystal, though Crystal
easily overcomes him. As Esther visits Tragic

622
00:55:56,402 --> 00:56:01,624
Mic for parts to a device that will torture
Edwin and convert his pain into power, Charles

623
00:56:01,664 --> 00:56:06,887
finds Edwin in Hell and the two manage to escape,
with Edwin confessing his love for Charles

624
00:56:07,227 --> 00:56:11,949
and Charles responding that though Edwin is
his very best friend, he's not in love with

625
00:56:11,989 --> 00:56:17,062
him back. The two continue into the living world
amicably, and before Night Nurse can take the

626
00:56:17,102 --> 00:56:21,706
two into the afterlife, Nico points out that
Night Nurse needs to fill out a specific form

627
00:56:21,986 --> 00:56:27,312
before she can transfer the boys into the afterlife.
Angry, Night Nurse promises to come back for

628
00:56:27,332 --> 00:56:32,777
them before Crystal, having obtained her memories
back from David in the form of marbles, swallows

629
00:56:32,897 --> 00:56:37,718
one to regain her memory. This is my favorite
episode. It was by far the best- It was so

630
00:56:37,758 --> 00:56:41,699
good, it could have been the season finale.
Everything about it was executed really well,

631
00:56:41,779 --> 00:56:47,262
especially the unique depiction of hell that
we got here. It was just horrifying, but in

632
00:56:47,322 --> 00:56:52,644
its own quirky dead boy detective's way, I think.
Yeah, like the different levels where people

633
00:56:52,684 --> 00:56:59,006
were being punished for their various vices
felt very like Dante's Inferno, but you're

634
00:56:59,026 --> 00:57:03,888
right, in a very different, kind of more modern,
quirky way. The fact that Charles really didn't

635
00:57:03,948 --> 00:57:10,337
experience it until he was getting Charles out,
felt very much like a haunted house of sorts.

636
00:57:10,878 --> 00:57:15,843
And it was just creepy. One of the best things
I think about this episode was that it kind

637
00:57:15,883 --> 00:57:20,988
of subverted expectations as far as formula
goes, because my expectation was that Crystal

638
00:57:21,028 --> 00:57:25,213
was going to find another route into hell and
she was gonna rescue the boys out of hell.

639
00:57:25,393 --> 00:57:29,297
And Charles was gonna be proven wrong that he
didn't need her to help Edwin. But Crystal's

640
00:57:29,337 --> 00:57:33,683
demon. didn't have a way into Hell. And so she
had this own little arc on her own where she

641
00:57:33,723 --> 00:57:37,184
actually tapped into her full potential and
got her memories back and everything on her

642
00:57:37,325 --> 00:57:42,126
own and had nothing to do with the Hell adventure.
And I'm kind of glad it turned out that way

643
00:57:42,146 --> 00:57:46,968
because it was nice that the boys had time to
themselves. And it was also good that Crystal

644
00:57:47,048 --> 00:57:52,331
had that as well for her to kind of face David
without the help from the boys. Right, yeah,

645
00:57:52,351 --> 00:57:57,193
I made them a stronger characters individuelly.
Absolutely. In the final episode, episode eight

646
00:57:57,333 --> 00:58:03,276
titled The Case of the Hungry Snake, After remembering
her past crimes and abuses of power, Crystal

647
00:58:03,316 --> 00:58:08,020
calls her parents to check in, only to learn
they didn't even realize she was gone. After

648
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:12,924
Esther finishes and tests her pain-to-power
generator, Crystal and Nico reveal to Jenny

649
00:58:13,205 --> 00:58:17,448
that she had been possessed and introduced her
to the world of the paranormal. When Crystal

650
00:58:17,488 --> 00:58:22,332
starts off to leave the team, Esther bombs Jenny's
butcher shop with magic and binds Edwin and

651
00:58:22,372 --> 00:58:27,776
Charles' souls into lanterns. Crystal returns
and together with Nico, visits the Cat King

652
00:58:27,816 --> 00:58:32,883
to learn of Esther's past, including a pact
she made with Lilith for immortality, and her

653
00:58:32,923 --> 00:58:38,504
weaknesses, which includes black salt, which
they get from Tragic Mick. As Esther activates

654
00:58:38,524 --> 00:58:44,086
her machine, consuming large quantities of power,
Crystal and Nico sneak into her house and help

655
00:58:44,106 --> 00:58:49,107
Charles escape from his iron shackles in order
to kill Esther's pet snake, which keeps her

656
00:58:49,167 --> 00:58:54,949
young. Crystal and Nico, meanwhile, attack Esther
head on, though Esther manages to kill Nico.

657
00:58:55,329 --> 00:59:00,063
When Crystal reaches into Esther's mind, She
convinces Lilith to rescind her bestowal of

658
00:59:00,163 --> 00:59:06,005
immortality on Esther. After Charles successfully
kills the snake, Esther rapidly ages and is

659
00:59:06,045 --> 00:59:10,827
carried off by Lilith for the harm she had done
to young girls. After agreeing to have Crystal

660
00:59:10,867 --> 00:59:15,509
stay on as a teammate and saying goodbye to
Jenny and the Cat King, the boys return to

661
00:59:15,529 --> 00:59:20,572
their London office only to be confronted by
the Night Nurse and her supervisor, who recognizes

662
00:59:20,612 --> 00:59:25,526
the dead boy detective's beneficial work helping
ghosts receive closure and cross over. and

663
00:59:25,546 --> 00:59:30,249
she transfers Night Nurse to Earth to oversee
the boys' work. Before the final end credits,

664
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:35,753
we see a hidden figure and an igloo with the
dandelion sprites holding a lucky charm that

665
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:41,097
had been owned by Nico. Just when I thought
that the story had nowhere really to go after

666
00:59:41,137 --> 00:59:44,719
the previous episode, which was so good that
I said it could have been the season finale,

667
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:51,144
the show goes and wows me with everything that
happened in the final episode. Moments like

668
00:59:51,324 --> 00:59:57,050
the butcher shop getting blown up, fun moments
like Nico and Crystal speaking with the cat

669
00:59:57,070 --> 01:00:02,272
king and moments like Nico dying. There was
just so much that this last episode delivered

670
01:00:02,352 --> 01:00:07,674
on and I was really pleased with it. Yeah, it
was nice to see them combat Esther in a way

671
01:00:07,694 --> 01:00:13,195
that was much less anticlimactic than the whole
mushroom bit. Yeah. It was very much like a

672
01:00:13,255 --> 01:00:18,797
bare-knuckle brawl with magic. It was gritty
like that, which was pretty cool. And yeah,

673
01:00:18,837 --> 01:00:24,439
I'm really happy with how the show ended. I'm...
excited for a second season. I hope we get

674
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:29,501
one. I really hope we do too. I have no idea
how the show is performing on Netflix, but

675
01:00:29,701 --> 01:00:33,323
I'm sure it has a wide audience. I just hope
it reaches them. Yeah, I'm kind of nervous

676
01:00:33,363 --> 01:00:38,225
about it because it was in the top 10 Netflix
television series for a couple of days, but

677
01:00:38,245 --> 01:00:43,548
then it like completely fell out of the top
10. I'm really hoping that word of mouth spreads

678
01:00:43,608 --> 01:00:47,229
and more people watch it because I think it's
worth watching and I think it's worth the season

679
01:00:47,249 --> 01:00:52,148
too. It's getting good reviews, not only by
us, but by a lot of the critics on Rotten Tomatoes.

680
01:00:52,548 --> 01:00:55,010
Well, you don't know how I'm going to review
this. You don't know a score I'm going to give

681
01:00:55,070 --> 01:01:01,914
it. OK, all right. I'm pretty sure it's going
to be a good score. Yeah, I mean, I can't lie.

682
01:01:01,974 --> 01:01:07,677
It's a terrific show. You know, it's charismatic
cast and offbeat charm made for a whimsical

683
01:01:07,737 --> 01:01:12,860
mystery horror series and a frighteningly good
addition to the Sandman television universe.

684
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:19,992
I'm giving it four out of five stars. a fresh
rating on Rotten Tomatoes. It's not perfect.

685
01:01:20,132 --> 01:01:25,156
There were, as I mentioned, some superfluous
characters and subplots that were never resolved,

686
01:01:25,536 --> 01:01:30,119
but overall I had a blast with the show. It's
like my cup of tea. Two a tea. In the same

687
01:01:30,139 --> 01:01:34,682
way that Doom Patrol was. Yeah, I would agree
that this season was not quite as good as Sandman

688
01:01:34,702 --> 01:01:38,885
season one, but you know, just below that and
a really enjoyable time. I'm really hoping

689
01:01:38,925 --> 01:01:43,728
we see these characters again, whether it be
in season two of the Sandman series or, you

690
01:01:43,748 --> 01:01:47,550
know, a second season of this show. The best
thing that I can say about it is that, kind

691
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:51,931
of like my adventures with Superman, how I was
not excited to review that show and then ended

692
01:01:51,971 --> 01:01:56,192
up being completely blown away by it, I feel
the same way about Dead Boy Detective Season

693
01:01:56,272 --> 01:02:01,734
1. Yeah, I'm glad you saw the light. I'm glad
that DC stuff is impressing you. Yeah, DC's

694
01:02:01,754 --> 01:02:05,255
been killing it with their television series
lately, for sure. I don't know what to say

695
01:02:05,295 --> 01:02:08,996
to that. Why are you being so nice? It costs
nothing to pay a compliment. I still in my

696
01:02:09,036 --> 01:02:12,957
heart know that Marvel's better in every way.
It's just that Charles and Nico have robed

697
01:02:13,017 --> 01:02:17,498
off on you. I get it. I see. I strive to be
more like Charles in my daily life, so here's

698
01:02:17,518 --> 01:02:22,581
me starting to do that. Awesome. Well, that
does it for this review. Let us know what you

699
01:02:22,601 --> 01:02:28,523
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701
01:02:34,606 --> 01:02:37,967
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702
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the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser,
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01:02:58,085 --> 01:03:04,187
will be doing a duel and lead up to our review
of the X-Men 97 animated series. We're going

707
01:03:04,207 --> 01:03:10,389
to be pitting Amazo versus Bastion. Yeah, two
highly adaptable Android characters going up

708
01:03:10,429 --> 01:03:15,850
against each other. It's going to be a lot of
fun. Get into that matchup as well as the review

709
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:20,231
of X-Men 97 the following week. But that does
it for this episode, we want to give a big

710
01:03:20,251 --> 01:03:25,153
thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson,
John Strosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Balcombe,

711
01:03:25,273 --> 01:03:30,454
Miggy Mathengian, Brendan Estregard, Nathaniel
Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, Adrian

712
01:03:30,474 --> 01:03:36,296
Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew
Schunk, Dean Molesky, and Devin Davis for helping

713
01:03:36,376 --> 01:03:41,597
make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you
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714
01:03:42,177 --> 01:03:43,794
I see dead people. on TV.