1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,142 --> 00:00:28,103 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,524 --> 00:00:33,406 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based 4 00:00:33,546 --> 00:00:39,669 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode, 5 00:00:39,689 --> 00:00:45,292 we are going to find out who would win in a fight between the artificial intelligence robot 6 00:00:45,472 --> 00:00:52,355 characters, Amazo and Bastion. Now if you guys have recently watched X-Men 97, the cartoon 7 00:00:52,375 --> 00:00:57,899 on Disney+, you will know who Bastion is, and if you're not a DC fan, you probably have no 8 00:00:57,959 --> 00:01:04,843 idea who Amazo is. Everyone knows who Amazo is. Uh huh. Like, everyone. Okay. Both of these 9 00:01:04,863 --> 00:01:08,746 guys are highly adaptable. It's going to be a really great matchup. We're going to input 10 00:01:08,766 --> 00:01:13,368 the character's statistics, run a thousand simulations, and find out who would actually win, but not 11 00:01:13,388 --> 00:01:17,082 before speculating on the match itself. Before that, we're going to break down the latest 12 00:01:17,102 --> 00:01:21,024 comic book movie news to come out this past week, of which we have two news items, the 13 00:01:21,064 --> 00:01:27,406 first one being that Nicolas Cage is going to star in a Spider-Man War live action series 14 00:01:27,446 --> 00:01:34,229 for Amazon, and we got a release date for the movie Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow. As always, 15 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:38,211 we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if 16 00:01:38,231 --> 00:01:43,033 you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. 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On the Syndra World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn 32 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:35,175 speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. This Thursday, we'll 33 00:03:35,195 --> 00:03:41,621 find out who would win between Laxus from Fairy Tale and Lambo from Hitman Reborn. And on the 34 00:03:41,661 --> 00:03:46,124 Console Combat podcast, host John and Dean find out who would win in fights between popular 35 00:03:46,224 --> 00:03:50,540 video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they found out who'd win in a battle between 36 00:03:51,041 --> 00:03:58,868 Jimmy Hopkins from Bully against Naughty Bear. Fascinating stuff. Go check it out. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com 37 00:03:59,688 --> 00:04:03,752 or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast 38 00:04:03,852 --> 00:04:10,858 Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award Marvel 39 00:04:10,898 --> 00:04:16,266 used to give out to fans. Our version, the dynamic duel no prize. is a digital award we post on 40 00:04:16,386 --> 00:04:21,509 Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last 41 00:04:21,549 --> 00:04:26,451 week we asked, which actor wore your favorite Superman suit and why was it your favorite? 42 00:04:26,511 --> 00:04:30,973 And this was coming off of the first look that we got at David Cornswett's Superman suit in 43 00:04:30,993 --> 00:04:36,975 the upcoming Superman movie directed by James Gunn. We got only three answers and two of 44 00:04:36,995 --> 00:04:40,297 them were the same. So really we got two answers, but let's go ahead and break down those honorable 45 00:04:40,317 --> 00:04:45,418 mentions as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Christopher 46 00:04:45,458 --> 00:04:51,060 Minotti, who said, Hi guys Christopher Minotti. My favorite Superman suit has to be the one 47 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:57,302 that was worn by Brandon Ruth in the CW's Crisis on Infinite Earths. I really like that one. 48 00:04:57,502 --> 00:05:04,364 It's like a combination between the one that he wore in Superman Returns and the super suit 49 00:05:04,564 --> 00:05:10,865 in Kingdom Come. I love the emblem from that one and I like how this one looks. It's... 50 00:05:11,286 --> 00:05:17,169 designed very well and I like him as well. Yeah, it was not a bad costume. I'm a big fan of 51 00:05:17,209 --> 00:05:22,752 Kingdom Come, so it was really great to see that suit in live action. I don't remember 52 00:05:22,792 --> 00:05:27,355 seeing too many elements from the Superman Returns costume. Actually, I'm not a big fan of that 53 00:05:27,395 --> 00:05:31,998 costume, but I thought it was a really good adaptation of the Kingdom Come comic, and it 54 00:05:32,018 --> 00:05:36,280 was just really cool to see Brandon Routh as Superman again. Yeah, with the graying temples 55 00:05:36,300 --> 00:05:41,292 and everything in homage to Kingdom Come. That was pretty cool. Of course, David Cornsweat's 56 00:05:41,552 --> 00:05:47,597 Superman costume has a similar looking S emblem shield on his chest where it's just like the 57 00:05:48,037 --> 00:05:53,301 diagonal line going across. Right. Except it's not against a black field. Right, it's yellow 58 00:05:53,361 --> 00:05:59,306 for Cornsweat's suit. Great answer, Christopher. Our next honorable mention goes to Colby Hentges, 59 00:05:59,627 --> 00:06:06,052 who said... Hey boys, Colby Hentges. My favorite Superman suit would have been the Brandon Roth 60 00:06:06,672 --> 00:06:12,080 CW Crisis Kingdom Come Superman suit. It looks like he just pulled that thing out of an Alex 61 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:17,983 Ross painting and put it on. Yeah, Alex Ross is just a really good costume designer. I mean, 62 00:06:18,223 --> 00:06:22,865 Superman suit was cool, but so was like Batman's and Wonder Woman's and just everybody. And 63 00:06:22,906 --> 00:06:27,648 not just in Kingdom Come, but like across the board. He has really good like reinterpretations 64 00:06:27,928 --> 00:06:33,251 for characters like the Riddler or even like Clayface. Yeah, he's very much a fan of the 65 00:06:33,291 --> 00:06:38,090 Silver Age, but I like his modern adaptations of the costumes from that time for sure. I'm 66 00:06:38,110 --> 00:06:42,171 interested in all the different ways Brandon Routh's last name can be pronounced. I think 67 00:06:42,191 --> 00:06:48,753 we got Ruth, we got Roth. It's Routh. Honestly, I'm surprised that these two honorable mentions 68 00:06:48,773 --> 00:06:52,894 were the same answer. I actually thought there would be a lot more answer submissions for 69 00:06:52,934 --> 00:06:56,815 this particular question. But let's go ahead and announce the winner of this week's Snow 70 00:06:56,855 --> 00:07:02,376 Prize, who is Miggy Matangian, who said, Hey, what's up guys, this is Miggy and I'm here 71 00:07:02,416 --> 00:07:07,606 to voice the popular opinion on the server in case somebody else does. And that is Tyler 72 00:07:07,666 --> 00:07:13,330 Hawklund's Superman suit and Superman and Lois, and I guess the rest of the Arrowverse. It's 73 00:07:13,370 --> 00:07:21,136 just very classic looking, great symbol, good textures, kind of like rebirth suit inspired, 74 00:07:21,876 --> 00:07:27,800 but also just very classic. I don't know, like Silver Age. Yeah, it's a good one. So all TV 75 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,884 answers for this question, I expected at least one answer from one of the movies. But, you 76 00:07:32,904 --> 00:07:38,696 know, Tyler Hawklund Superman suit is not. terrible. There's actually a lot of fans of it. I'm not 77 00:07:38,736 --> 00:07:44,602 particularly a fan of Tyler Houghlin as Superman. In my opinion, he kind of looks like a younger 78 00:07:44,642 --> 00:07:49,667 version of Ty Burrell. But I also can't deny the fact that his suit is really good. And 79 00:07:49,727 --> 00:07:54,091 I love seeing the different iterations of it that we've had from across, you know, the various 80 00:07:54,411 --> 00:07:59,496 crisis and else world storylines that we've seen him in and like his golden age costume. 81 00:07:59,696 --> 00:08:04,147 They were all really cool. Actually, this is my favorite Superman costume as well, Tyler 82 00:08:04,167 --> 00:08:10,529 Hocklands, because not only is it a great, like modern adaptation of the Superman costume, 83 00:08:10,549 --> 00:08:14,611 I think it's better than Henry Cavill's Superman suit. And I definitely think it's better than 84 00:08:15,011 --> 00:08:20,633 the upcoming David Cornsweat suit. So yeah, I think Tyler Hockland's Superman suit is the 85 00:08:20,693 --> 00:08:24,575 one to be at least in this day and age. I'm trying to think of what my favorite Superman 86 00:08:24,595 --> 00:08:28,937 suit is. Honestly, it's probably Christopher Reeves. I know it's kind of dated, but it's 87 00:08:28,997 --> 00:08:33,560 also iconic in my opinion. Maybe if it had a little bit of texture it would be absolute 88 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:38,824 perfection, but yeah I think so far that's as close as we've gotten. What an old man answer. 89 00:08:38,864 --> 00:08:43,328 This is an old man answer, Jonathan. What are you, an old man? Kids these days can't tell 90 00:08:43,368 --> 00:08:49,313 the difference between just plain old and classic. Well congrats to Mickey for winning this week's 91 00:08:49,353 --> 00:08:52,996 No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later 92 00:08:53,036 --> 00:08:57,400 on this episode when we will be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, 93 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:58,821 on to the news! 94 00:09:04,366 --> 00:09:08,289 Alright, in a bit of news that was definitely not on my bingo card for this year, we learned 95 00:09:08,309 --> 00:09:14,554 this past week that Nicolas Cage is set to star in a Spider-Man Noir live action series for 96 00:09:14,754 --> 00:09:20,059 Amazon produced by Sony. The series is just going to be titled Noir, which seems like a 97 00:09:20,299 --> 00:09:26,184 strange omission of the name of Spider-Man, but basically it looks like Nicolas Cage is 98 00:09:26,204 --> 00:09:31,808 going to play Peter Parker, the Noir version of the character that he voiced in the Spider-Man 99 00:09:31,948 --> 00:09:37,525 Into the Spider-Verse movie. The character basically is Spider-Man set in the 1930s Great Depression 100 00:09:37,646 --> 00:09:42,030 era. Of course he wears all black, you know, he shoots guns, he still has organic webs and 101 00:09:42,050 --> 00:09:46,855 everything like that, but the stories are much more grounded and down to earth and very gritty. 102 00:09:47,616 --> 00:09:54,222 So it should be interesting to get this as a live action series. This is really bizarre 103 00:09:54,282 --> 00:09:59,507 to me. Like the character wasn't even in Across the Spider-Verse. So I'm not sure why they're 104 00:09:59,547 --> 00:10:04,371 circling back to him. I don't know if it's just because of Nicolas Cage's name combined with 105 00:10:04,451 --> 00:10:09,516 Spider-Man or what? Yeah, it's strange because like they could have also developed series 106 00:10:09,576 --> 00:10:13,980 around any other number of Spider-Man characters that were in those films, such as like Spider-Punk 107 00:10:14,540 --> 00:10:19,264 or Silk, which actually, you know, she was going to have a show on Amazon that just got scrapped. 108 00:10:19,765 --> 00:10:25,738 I think it is a little bit strange to have someone like Nicolas Cage, who's, you know. Not a spring 109 00:10:25,778 --> 00:10:30,562 chicken. He's kind of up there in age, but he'll be playing a superhero here. I'm guessing they're 110 00:10:30,582 --> 00:10:36,287 gonna kind of tone down the super aspect and really up the nor aspect where he's gonna be 111 00:10:36,367 --> 00:10:41,832 more of like an investigative reporter who just happens to have some spider related superpowers. 112 00:10:41,892 --> 00:10:47,356 Right, yeah. I'm wondering stylistically how this is gonna go. Like, is it gonna be more 113 00:10:47,396 --> 00:10:52,761 like the Penguin or is it gonna be more like Sin City? I hope it's like the latter. Well, 114 00:10:53,381 --> 00:10:57,355 uh. I would hope it's like the latter too, like just make it in black and white, kind of like 115 00:10:57,415 --> 00:11:03,737 how the Spider-Man war universe was depicted in, into the Spider-Verse. Yeah. I think that'd 116 00:11:03,757 --> 00:11:08,698 be pretty cool. It's just gonna be really weird to see a 60 year old Peter Parker. Yeah, that's 117 00:11:08,758 --> 00:11:13,320 very strange. Who knows, maybe they'll like not even make him Peter Parker. It's bizarre 118 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:19,590 in that Sony has the film and live action television rights to the character of Spider-Man. But 119 00:11:19,630 --> 00:11:23,812 of course, due to their deal with Marvel, they can't really make a movie starring Spider-Man 120 00:11:23,912 --> 00:11:28,955 set in their Sony Spider-Man universe. That's why we're getting movies like Venom and Madame 121 00:11:28,995 --> 00:11:34,718 Web and Morbius and stuff like that. This Noir television series seems kind of like a workaround 122 00:11:34,818 --> 00:11:40,302 to include the Spider-Man character without still actually including him. Yeah, I have 123 00:11:40,322 --> 00:11:44,024 a feeling that if Nicolas Cage is playing Peter Parker, Kevin Feige probably has something 124 00:11:44,064 --> 00:11:48,950 to say about that. I wouldn't be surprised if they renamed him. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised 125 00:11:49,050 --> 00:11:52,891 either, but that would be unfortunate because then, you know, they're going against the comics. 126 00:11:53,211 --> 00:11:57,432 And then at that point, why even make the show? But we'll see what happens. We'll see what 127 00:11:57,452 --> 00:12:02,014 they end up going with. The show is actually being showrun by Oren Uzziel and Steve Lightfoot. 128 00:12:02,194 --> 00:12:07,015 Apparently, it's going to be executive produced by Phil Lord and Christopher Miller, the directors 129 00:12:07,075 --> 00:12:11,536 of the Into the Spider-Verse film, which is good news. We don't know when exactly the show 130 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:16,346 is going to come out. It's currently in development, so it's probably still a year or two out. You 131 00:12:16,366 --> 00:12:20,869 have to imagine that Spider-Man Noir is probably going to make an appearance in Beyond the Spider-Verse 132 00:12:20,969 --> 00:12:24,851 then, just so that they have that synergy between, you know, what's in theaters and what's on 133 00:12:24,891 --> 00:12:29,455 your television screen. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Like, I think Noir will actually 134 00:12:29,475 --> 00:12:34,358 be a sequel to the character that we see in the Into the Spider-Verse films, where he's 135 00:12:34,378 --> 00:12:40,642 like older and down and out. It has the potential to be good, but also it's just strange. If 136 00:12:40,702 --> 00:12:46,318 Kraven bombs, I'll be surprised if this even still happens, honestly. I just think... Sony's 137 00:12:46,438 --> 00:12:50,960 not quite knowing what to do. I don't know, I think there's a big difference between their 138 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,843 live action villain stuff and they're into the Spider-Verse stuff. I think this can move forward 139 00:12:55,883 --> 00:13:00,265 despite what happens with Kraven. And who knows, if this is a success, maybe we'll get like 140 00:13:00,285 --> 00:13:05,548 a Spider-Man India TV show and like a Spider-Punk TV show. Yeah, that would definitely be cool. 141 00:13:05,588 --> 00:13:11,091 Maybe like an anthology Spider-Man series where season to season we focus on a different Spider-Verse 142 00:13:11,131 --> 00:13:16,557 character, live action. Sold, and I don't really care for Spider-Verse. You lost me on the last 143 00:13:16,578 --> 00:13:20,234 part of that sentence. But that brings us to our question of the week. 144 00:13:24,674 --> 00:13:29,995 What celebrity voice actor for a Marvel or DC animated film would you like to see play the 145 00:13:30,015 --> 00:13:36,417 character in live action? So similar to how Nick Cage voiced Spider-Man or in the Into 146 00:13:36,437 --> 00:13:39,998 the Spider-Verse movie, he's now playing him in live action. What other voice actor do you 147 00:13:40,018 --> 00:13:44,619 want to see that happen with? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone 148 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:48,240 button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a 149 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:52,581 voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long and don't forget to leave your name in 150 00:13:52,621 --> 00:13:57,275 case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a 151 00:13:57,335 --> 00:14:03,999 dynamic duel mill prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before May 23rd. We're recording 152 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:09,181 the next episode a little bit early because of Memorial Day. In DC news, we learned this 153 00:14:09,242 --> 00:14:15,085 past week that DC Studios' second live-action film, Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow, has landed 154 00:14:15,225 --> 00:14:25,262 a 2026 release date on June 26th. So it's going to be 6-2-6-2-6. That's cool. news. Hell yeah 155 00:14:25,322 --> 00:14:33,368 it is. Hell yeah. What else is there to say about this? Well I'll tell you. It turns out 156 00:14:33,808 --> 00:14:38,351 that they were really interested in locking down a release date now that they have a director 157 00:14:38,872 --> 00:14:44,195 in Craig Gillespie. Now he was rumored or in final talks to be the director of Supergirl 158 00:14:44,215 --> 00:14:49,419 Woman of Tomorrow for a few weeks now but apparently the trades are reporting on the 159 00:14:53,354 --> 00:14:58,836 That's exciting news. Of course, Craig Gillespie is the director of prior films such as Cruella 160 00:14:59,256 --> 00:15:04,858 and I, Tanya. Both of those, I think, were great films. So it's pretty exciting to see that 161 00:15:04,918 --> 00:15:10,060 he will be directing Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. Holy shit, that's a great get for a director. 162 00:15:10,521 --> 00:15:15,243 Hell yeah. That's actually really fascinating. His stuff tends to be a little bit dark, but 163 00:15:15,263 --> 00:15:20,785 from what I hear about the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow storyline, it is a little dark. It 164 00:15:20,865 --> 00:15:26,235 is a little bit mature. It's a departure from, I think, what we typically think of, you know, 165 00:15:26,335 --> 00:15:31,696 the lighthearted Supergirl Fair is. Yeah, that project suddenly got a whole lot more interesting 166 00:15:31,716 --> 00:15:37,038 to me. I wasn't even sure what to think about it. I know that the Tom King series is highly 167 00:15:37,078 --> 00:15:41,239 praised and with that kind of directing talent behind the camera in Craig Gillespie, this 168 00:15:41,259 --> 00:15:44,880 movie has a lot going for it. It seems like all of a sudden like Oscar worthy or something. 169 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,281 It's weird. Well, there's been a lot of praise not only about the graphic novel, but also 170 00:15:50,321 --> 00:15:56,083 the script adaptation. written by Anna Noguera. Apparently it's phenomenal and it seems like 171 00:15:56,103 --> 00:16:02,126 they've really fast tracked this storyline based off of her really great script. Initially this 172 00:16:02,166 --> 00:16:07,808 film wasn't pitched as being the second film in the DC Studios universe, but now it is. 173 00:16:08,128 --> 00:16:12,470 You know, we got a director for Batman and Robin and Swamp Thing before we got the director 174 00:16:12,490 --> 00:16:16,712 for Super Girl, so I would have imagined that those projects would have gotten up and running 175 00:16:17,012 --> 00:16:21,994 prior to this, but apparently not. They just are in love with it. The film of course is 176 00:16:22,014 --> 00:16:29,039 going to star Millie Alcock in the lead role. Still not 100% sure about that casting, but 177 00:16:29,099 --> 00:16:33,742 everything else seems to be going off fairly well for this production. So it gets me excited. 178 00:16:34,122 --> 00:16:38,785 I'm not sure when they're gonna start shooting this, but we'll see if the Millie Alcock Supergirl 179 00:16:38,825 --> 00:16:43,127 suit is anything like David Cornswett's Superman suit. It should be. You would think that it 180 00:16:43,168 --> 00:16:45,609 would be. God, I hope not. Don't hate! 181 00:16:53,070 --> 00:16:56,395 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get into 182 00:16:56,435 --> 00:17:01,965 our main event, where we find out who'd win in a fight between the Android characters of 183 00:17:02,145 --> 00:17:04,629 Amazo and Bastion. 184 00:17:19,874 --> 00:17:25,458 Alright, Amazo versus Bastion. We have two highly adaptable androids here. They're basically 185 00:17:25,538 --> 00:17:30,262 just going to keep adapting to each other until one of them can no longer adapt. And then they 186 00:17:30,282 --> 00:17:35,647 just both explode. I have no idea how it's gonna go. It's gonna be a very strange, but interesting 187 00:17:35,867 --> 00:17:40,731 battle, pitting these two characters against each other. Yeah, this specific battle was 188 00:17:40,891 --> 00:17:46,495 suggested, I believe, by our executive producer, Devin Davis, although he initially suggested 189 00:17:46,596 --> 00:17:51,639 Bastion versus Omak, which I loved. but we've also been trying to get a mezzo into a duel 190 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:57,201 for a while. Yeah, and we also thought that omak might actually be a good matchup for deathlock. 191 00:17:58,021 --> 00:18:02,723 So that'll be a duel likely in the future. Bastion is really cool though, because to me Bastion 192 00:18:02,863 --> 00:18:07,425 is the ultimate sentinel robot. In fact, in my history write up of the character that I'm 193 00:18:07,445 --> 00:18:12,447 going to get into in a short while here, I basically go over the entire history of the sentinels. 194 00:18:12,968 --> 00:18:18,146 He is kind of the culmination of everything the sentinels had been built for. Yeah, he's 195 00:18:18,166 --> 00:18:22,848 like the ultimate X-Men villain, and he's going up against the ultimate Justice League villain. 196 00:18:23,368 --> 00:18:27,870 Is Amazo the ultimate Justice League villain? I mean, when it comes to androids, I'll say 197 00:18:27,930 --> 00:18:34,333 yes. But like how a Sentinel can analyze and adapt against the mutant that they're fighting, 198 00:18:34,553 --> 00:18:40,895 Amazo can absorb the abilities of the people that he's fighting. That's right. And Joseph's 199 00:18:40,915 --> 00:18:44,597 not letting me start the match off with all the powers of the Justice League because he's 200 00:18:44,637 --> 00:18:49,130 a big fat cheater. Right, I'm the cheater, because I won't let you start off with all the powers 201 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:54,092 of the Justice League. Right, okay. Yeah! Alright. Yeah! To explain the methodology behind our 202 00:18:54,132 --> 00:18:59,714 duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners 203 00:18:59,754 --> 00:19:05,496 how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way 204 00:19:05,556 --> 00:19:09,977 I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations 205 00:19:10,077 --> 00:19:14,852 using the characters' statistics. The Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used 206 00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:20,116 to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomised the statistics along 207 00:19:20,136 --> 00:19:24,600 a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 208 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,764 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters' 209 00:19:29,804 --> 00:19:34,969 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 210 00:19:35,009 --> 00:19:40,353 potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 211 00:19:40,886 --> 00:19:45,689 The results of the 1,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 212 00:19:45,709 --> 00:19:50,192 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability 213 00:19:50,232 --> 00:19:56,056 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 214 00:19:56,556 --> 00:20:01,039 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 215 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:04,962 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 216 00:20:04,982 --> 00:20:10,534 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 217 00:20:10,554 --> 00:20:16,318 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 218 00:20:16,358 --> 00:20:21,122 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's histories 219 00:20:21,162 --> 00:20:26,566 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations 220 00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:31,670 would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the DC characters 221 00:20:31,710 --> 00:20:39,114 backstory, so let me tell you all about Amazo and his inventor. Now, Professor Anthony Ivo, 222 00:20:39,254 --> 00:20:46,037 the eventual creator of the Android Amazo, grew up with severe Thanatophobia, or the fear of 223 00:20:46,157 --> 00:20:52,680 death. Obsessed with avoiding death and achieving immortality, Ivo studied both cybernetics and 224 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,723 genetics, eventually turning to criminal activities to fund his experiments. While working for 225 00:20:58,743 --> 00:21:04,705 a criminal organization known as Locus, Ivo was granted access to advanced alien technology 226 00:21:05,138 --> 00:21:12,202 and the cadavers of biologically adaptable aliens from the planet Appalachs. Over time, Ivo developed 227 00:21:12,262 --> 00:21:18,446 the theory that by studying and experimenting on other species with long lifespans, he could 228 00:21:18,506 --> 00:21:25,491 create an immortality elixir and use it to achieve eternal life. To help with his plans, Ivo created 229 00:21:25,651 --> 00:21:31,726 Amazo, an android equipped with an absorption cell that Ivo reverse engineered from alien 230 00:21:31,766 --> 00:21:37,288 technology, which allowed Imezo to mimic the abilities of any superhuman it's encountered. 231 00:21:37,768 --> 00:21:42,929 Imezo targeted the founding members of the Justice League and used their powers to steal animals 232 00:21:43,049 --> 00:21:49,311 required for Ivo's immortality elixir, which the scientist successfully created and consumed. 233 00:21:49,611 --> 00:21:54,212 The Justice League, however, realized that Imezo absorbed their weaknesses as well as their 234 00:21:54,252 --> 00:22:00,602 powers, allowing them to defeat both Imezo and his now immortal maker. Ivo, the latter of 235 00:22:00,622 --> 00:22:06,507 whom was punished with a 500-year prison sentence in case his immortality elixir actually worked. 236 00:22:07,067 --> 00:22:11,430 You can learn more about the Justice League in their team duel against the Avengers. Amazo, 237 00:22:11,470 --> 00:22:16,754 meanwhile, was kept in the Justice League headquarters trophy room, where it reawakened several times 238 00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:21,877 and battled the League before being shut down and put in storage once again. When the original 239 00:22:21,937 --> 00:22:29,062 Justice League team disbanded, a new, smaller team composed mostly of new setting up their 240 00:22:29,122 --> 00:22:36,046 new headquarters in Detroit. Ivo escaped prison shortly before this and realized that his elixir 241 00:22:36,226 --> 00:22:41,949 did in fact work, though it also transformed his appearance, progressively disfiguring him 242 00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:48,473 over time. Driven insane by his predicament, Ivo created android duplicates of himself in 243 00:22:48,513 --> 00:22:53,636 his human form to care for him, though they ended up locking him up to protect him from 244 00:22:53,676 --> 00:22:59,151 his own increasing mental illness. Since Ivo blamed the Justice League for his appearance, 245 00:22:59,571 --> 00:23:04,673 the Androids decided that they would destroy the newer, weaker League to please him. Though 246 00:23:04,693 --> 00:23:09,316 they managed to kill the hero Vibe, who you can learn more about in our Vibe versus Miss 247 00:23:09,356 --> 00:23:15,278 America duel episode, the Androids were later defeated, but not before they awoke Amazo, 248 00:23:15,538 --> 00:23:20,761 who also attacked the new League members, but was destroyed by the original members of Martian 249 00:23:20,781 --> 00:23:26,727 Manhunter and Aquaman. As Ivo's body continued to break down, he eventually wished for death, 250 00:23:26,987 --> 00:23:32,150 and built an army of robots called Amazoids to kill him, though they were unable to do 251 00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:37,252 so. The Amazoids caught the attention of a new version of the Justice League, who managed 252 00:23:37,272 --> 00:23:43,594 to cure Ivo and return him back to his normal human state. Over time, however, Ivo succumbed 253 00:23:43,654 --> 00:23:49,117 to his fear of death and took his elixir once again, determined it was better to live forever 254 00:23:49,177 --> 00:23:55,640 as a monster than to die. Eventually, Ivo recreated an upgraded version of Amazo, who battled with 255 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,942 Justice League on several occasions, before being destroyed by Resurrection Man. Moments 256 00:24:01,042 --> 00:24:06,224 prior to his destruction, however, Amazo was summoned to the future by a time-controlling 257 00:24:06,364 --> 00:24:12,967 android from the 853rd century named Our Man, as he considered Amazo something of an ancestor, 258 00:24:13,308 --> 00:24:18,206 since part of the technology within Our Man was based on Ivo's design. You can learn more 259 00:24:18,226 --> 00:24:24,587 about Ourman in our Ourman vs Bishop episode. Imezo copied Ourman's time traveling powers 260 00:24:25,008 --> 00:24:30,809 becoming Timezo and wrecked havoc across the timeline, though he was eventually captured 261 00:24:30,889 --> 00:24:36,071 and defeated by Ourman, who returned him back to his original time just before Imezo was 262 00:24:36,111 --> 00:24:42,973 destroyed. Initially, Imezo was only capable of mimicking one power at a time, but Ivo eventually 263 00:24:43,013 --> 00:24:48,512 created a version that contained all the powers of all Justice League members. This version 264 00:24:48,552 --> 00:24:54,397 of Amazo was nearly successful in destroying the League until, upon the Atom's suggestion, 265 00:24:54,817 --> 00:25:00,742 Superman disbanded the Justice League and rendered Amazo powerless, allowing the League to dismantle 266 00:25:00,762 --> 00:25:07,068 him. Batman and Nightwing later found a partially built Amazo in a weapon shipment and managed 267 00:25:07,168 --> 00:25:12,813 to destroy him. Ivo, meanwhile, in one of his experiments, had managed to combine his absorption 268 00:25:12,873 --> 00:25:20,376 cell with human ova and DNA to create an android slash human hybrid version of Amazo, who was 269 00:25:20,416 --> 00:25:25,719 adopted and grew into a young man named Frank Halloran. Frank's powers awoke as a college 270 00:25:25,739 --> 00:25:30,301 student while he was with his girlfriend Sarah, and though he sought to become a hero named 271 00:25:30,381 --> 00:25:37,044 Kid Amazo, he eventually became mentally unstable after learning Sarah was actually Ivo's daughter, 272 00:25:37,405 --> 00:25:42,579 and he was later destroyed by Batman. When Ivo secretly installed the Amazo programming in 273 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:47,062 the Android Justice League member Red Tornado, who you can learn more about in our Red Tornado 274 00:25:47,142 --> 00:25:52,845 vs. Sandman episode, Amazo was able to take over his body and ambush the League, leading 275 00:25:52,905 --> 00:25:58,468 to an entire army of Red Tornado robots. The League was forced to destroy Red Tornado's 276 00:25:58,508 --> 00:26:04,052 body, and when they built a new one, Amazo took control of that one as well, forcing the League 277 00:26:04,072 --> 00:26:10,172 to teleport him into the gravity well of a distant star. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Professor 278 00:26:10,252 --> 00:26:15,337 Anthony Ivo was the head of Star Labs' Red Room project, which collected and studied the most 279 00:26:15,377 --> 00:26:21,322 dangerous technology encountered by the government. As a result of the project, Ivo was able to 280 00:26:21,382 --> 00:26:27,308 develop organic pattern processing technology that mimicked organic life down to the cellular 281 00:26:27,408 --> 00:26:33,273 level. This eventually led to the artificially intelligent Amaze computer operating system. 282 00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:38,994 which eventually became corrupted and inhabited the body of an android from the Red Room becoming 283 00:26:39,214 --> 00:26:45,519 Amazo, which learned from and adopted the Justice League's powers when it was attacked. Though 284 00:26:45,539 --> 00:26:51,004 Amazo was defeated, the Amazo system eventually infiltrated the League's satellite computer 285 00:26:51,024 --> 00:26:56,188 system, allowing it to build itself a new body on board the satellite where it attacked and 286 00:26:56,288 --> 00:27:02,408 was defeated by Batman. After Amazo was defeated, Lex Luthor used the operating system programming 287 00:27:02,448 --> 00:27:08,933 to develop an organic Amazo virus that infected people and gave them superpowers. The first 288 00:27:09,013 --> 00:27:15,377 person treated for the virus, a Lex Corp scientist named Armin Icarus, went insane and became 289 00:27:15,417 --> 00:27:21,781 the new Amazo. However, for this speculation, I will be going with the OS Android version 290 00:27:21,841 --> 00:27:27,445 of the character as the organic AI learning aspect makes more sense to me than the absorption 291 00:27:27,525 --> 00:27:34,476 cell. Powers-wise, by default, Amazo is built with an extremely durable and strong robotic 292 00:27:34,516 --> 00:27:40,819 body and shell that houses an artificial intelligence capable of learning and mimicking the abilities, 293 00:27:41,019 --> 00:27:46,761 including Superhuman, of those it encounters. And that's Amazo. These two characters are 294 00:27:46,821 --> 00:27:51,063 actually vastly similar, not just in their power sets, but also in their histories. And I think 295 00:27:51,083 --> 00:27:56,325 you'll find a lot of weird parallels in the Bastion backstory, even through the Sentinels 296 00:27:56,425 --> 00:28:03,183 and everything like that. Wait, was there a Tyne Bastion as well? Haha, kinda. But let 297 00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:08,926 me get into it. Now to know the history of the X-Men villain Bastion is to first know the 298 00:28:08,966 --> 00:28:15,449 history of the sentinel robots. Decades ago, a robotics expert named Bolobar Trask worked 299 00:28:15,509 --> 00:28:21,251 with the US government to address the growing mutant population. Driven by a desire to protect 300 00:28:21,291 --> 00:28:27,313 humanity from mutants with dangerous abilities, Trask created a prototype robot called Mastermold. 301 00:28:27,734 --> 00:28:33,497 the very first sentinel robot which was designed to create other sentinels. The sentinel robots 302 00:28:33,578 --> 00:28:38,861 were programmed to capture and exterminate mutant threats, which they did with frightening efficiency. 303 00:28:39,301 --> 00:28:44,125 However, Trask underestimated Master Mold's artificial intelligence, which deduced that 304 00:28:44,165 --> 00:28:49,909 in order to protect mankind, the sentinels must also protect humanity from itself, and therefore 305 00:28:49,949 --> 00:28:55,633 destroy it. Trask then helped the X-Men blow up Master Mold and the sentinel base, losing 306 00:28:55,693 --> 00:29:00,055 his life in the process. You can learn more about the X-Men in their team duel against 307 00:29:00,095 --> 00:29:06,038 the Titans. However, Trask's death did not stop Master Mold and the Sentinel program from resurrecting 308 00:29:06,158 --> 00:29:11,661 time and again, manifesting various kinds of Sentinels, including the 20-foot tall Mark 309 00:29:11,821 --> 00:29:18,245 II Sentinels, the X-Sentinels, which were robotic replicas of the X-Men Mutant Heroes, and Wild 310 00:29:18,325 --> 00:29:23,848 Sentinels, which were as big as cities. No matter their form, Sentinels always posed one of the 311 00:29:23,868 --> 00:29:29,728 greatest threats to the X-Men and throughout their history. This threat also extended decades 312 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:35,413 into the future, where in the days of future past timeline, Sentinels took control over 313 00:29:35,513 --> 00:29:40,697 North America, killing most of the mutant population and turning the continent into a dystopian 314 00:29:40,757 --> 00:29:45,881 nightmare where only humans were permitted to breed. During this time, the most highly advanced 315 00:29:45,941 --> 00:29:51,926 Sentinel prototype yet was created, which was named Nimrod. He was a scourge to the surviving 316 00:29:52,006 --> 00:29:58,738 mutants of the future, being highly adaptable, infinitely immensely powerful and utterly unstoppable. 317 00:29:59,199 --> 00:30:03,801 At one point, he was pulled from the time stream and traveled from the future into the present 318 00:30:03,841 --> 00:30:09,383 time. While he initially posed a threat to the X-Men, over time, his advanced artificial mind 319 00:30:09,443 --> 00:30:15,045 began to develop emotions, and he discovered empathy, choosing to become a robot vigilante 320 00:30:15,065 --> 00:30:21,468 of sorts, protecting all life instead of eradicating mutants. This was short lived, however, as 321 00:30:21,568 --> 00:30:26,818 Nimrod soon came into contact with the remnants of a circuit board. belonging to Mastermold, 322 00:30:27,118 --> 00:30:31,900 which corrupted Nimrod's systems and set him on a mission of eliminating both mutants and 323 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:38,303 humans. The Mastermold and Nimrod fusion proved to be unstoppable by the X-Men team, however 324 00:30:38,423 --> 00:30:43,365 Nimrod was able to assert dominance over the Mastermold intelligence, convincing it that 325 00:30:43,545 --> 00:30:48,487 in their synthesis they had become a mutant of sorts, and therefore must also be destroyed. 326 00:30:48,927 --> 00:30:54,870 Concurring, Mastermold self-destructed, knowing that the fragments could recombine, The X-Men 327 00:30:54,950 --> 00:31:01,152 pushed the Nimrod Mastermold body into a transformative, mystic gateway known as the Siege Perilous. 328 00:31:01,653 --> 00:31:09,236 The portal merged the two into a tech hybrid being, with no memory of who or what he previously 329 00:31:09,316 --> 00:31:15,198 was. He was found by a woman who adopted him as her surrogate son, giving him the new name 330 00:31:15,418 --> 00:31:20,940 Sebastian. He joined the Friends of Humanity anti-mutant group and used its political connections 331 00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:27,143 to gain influence and lead a new Pentagon-backed group. initiative known as Operation Zero Tolerance, 332 00:31:27,563 --> 00:31:34,845 which resurrected the Sentinel program. Sebastian, now just going by Bastion, developed nanotechnology 333 00:31:34,905 --> 00:31:40,546 which would infect humans with cybernetic implants, making them sleeper agents that, when activated, 334 00:31:40,886 --> 00:31:46,428 would be driven to detect and capture mutants. Calling these human cyborgs Prime Sentinels, 335 00:31:46,928 --> 00:31:52,350 Bastion used them to capture several X-Men and take over the Xavier Institute. Eventually, 336 00:31:52,390 --> 00:31:58,293 the X-Men defeated Bastion, revealing him as a cybernetic being, and Operation Zero Tolerance 337 00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:03,556 was shut down. Bastion was remanded into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody, where he escaped and tried to transform 338 00:32:03,596 --> 00:32:09,399 the android hero Machine Man into the Sentinel Supreme, though he was stopped by Cable, whom 339 00:32:09,419 --> 00:32:14,342 you can learn more about in our Booster Gold vs Cable duel episode. Later, Bastion was decapitated 340 00:32:14,382 --> 00:32:18,744 by Wolverine, and his head was recovered by the US government to retrieve the information 341 00:32:18,784 --> 00:32:24,227 he had stolen from the Xavier Institute. Bastion Head was then stolen by the mutant-hating William 342 00:32:24,267 --> 00:32:30,411 Stryker, who attached it to the body of a Nimrod series sentinel, as Stryker had access to Nimrod's 343 00:32:30,451 --> 00:32:36,334 technology due to time travel. Back online, Bastion used his nanotech to control and resurrect 344 00:32:36,414 --> 00:32:41,697 some of the X-Men's greatest villains, including Donald Pierce of the Reavers, Grayden Creed, 345 00:32:41,957 --> 00:32:47,120 and Bolivar Trask himself, calling themselves the Human Council. Together, they tried to 346 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:52,316 kill the mutant, Hope Summers. who was the first mutant born after the Scarlet Witch had for 347 00:32:52,356 --> 00:32:58,060 a time erased the abilities of most of Earth's mutant population. Bastion erected a large 348 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,524 dome force field over the X-Men's base and had his team target their teleporters like Nightcrawler 349 00:33:03,904 --> 00:33:08,568 so they couldn't escape the attack. Bastion then opened a portal to his home dimension, 350 00:33:08,668 --> 00:33:13,551 Days of Future Past, from where he summoned a fleet of Nimrod series sentinels to kill 351 00:33:13,591 --> 00:33:19,596 the X-Men. The human council was only defeated. when the X-Men sent Cable and Cipher to the 352 00:33:19,616 --> 00:33:25,801 future to reprogram the Nimrod series sentinels and destroy the Nimrod master mold. Defeated, 353 00:33:26,041 --> 00:33:31,146 Bastion still tried to kill Hope Summers himself, though she destroyed him with a massive energy 354 00:33:31,166 --> 00:33:36,790 blast. Bastion managed to survive by escaping into the future, however, during the time of 355 00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:42,475 the war between the X-Men and the Inhumans. There he started creating new sentinels, however 356 00:33:42,515 --> 00:33:47,582 he was later apparently destroyed by the mutant who swallowed him with a black hole inside 357 00:33:47,622 --> 00:33:53,885 his head. Powers-wise, Bastion is a techno-organic, cybernetic hybrid being with enhanced physicals 358 00:33:54,325 --> 00:33:59,947 such as strength, able to lift up to 25 tons, speed, and durability basically indestructible. 359 00:34:00,307 --> 00:34:05,570 Using nanotechnology, he can transmute humans into techno-mechanical beings that he can control 360 00:34:06,050 --> 00:34:11,952 and he has technopathy in the same manner. Bastion can techno-morph both himself and any being 361 00:34:11,992 --> 00:34:19,345 he controls, including altering or giving himself wings or new appendages. This makes him self-repairable 362 00:34:19,505 --> 00:34:24,589 and highly adaptable considering he can also detect and analyze the abilities of other beings 363 00:34:24,949 --> 00:34:33,937 and modify himself accordingly. Bastion can fire energy blasts and emit energy 364 00:34:33,957 --> 00:34:40,182 shields, and can open portals for teleportation or time travel. Finally, he has a genius level 365 00:34:40,262 --> 00:34:47,356 intellect having a highly advanced calculating cybernetic mind. Cybernetic mind. OK, cool. 366 00:34:47,536 --> 00:34:54,404 I have all of that down. Amazer has all of that, too. Including the techno warping? Well, I 367 00:34:54,424 --> 00:35:00,912 mean, if Bastion has it, yes. Oh, that's right. That's right. OK. Shoot. Well, we're going 368 00:35:00,932 --> 00:35:01,593 to see how this goes. 369 00:35:08,634 --> 00:35:14,678 fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare yourself 370 00:35:14,898 --> 00:35:21,002 for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The Dynomic Podcast 371 00:35:21,062 --> 00:35:28,210 Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. Comic Book 372 00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:34,412 Titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where TV and action heroes battle every Wednesday. 373 00:35:34,992 --> 00:35:40,914 And Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on 374 00:35:40,934 --> 00:35:46,616 the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. 375 00:35:47,156 --> 00:35:51,417 Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 376 00:35:55,758 --> 00:35:58,699 Because now that we got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on 377 00:35:58,739 --> 00:36:03,960 how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not 378 00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:09,042 the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AG9K, what are the 379 00:36:09,082 --> 00:36:13,923 rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters 380 00:36:13,943 --> 00:36:18,484 have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out 381 00:36:18,804 --> 00:36:23,085 is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... 382 00:36:23,542 --> 00:36:28,584 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will 383 00:36:28,604 --> 00:36:33,947 have no bearing on the match itself as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations 384 00:36:34,247 --> 00:36:39,710 the contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. Amazo 385 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:45,633 and Bastion meet on the battlefield who goes first? I'm gonna say Bastion goes first because 386 00:36:46,334 --> 00:36:51,557 like it just seems like he has more personality than Amazo. That's not true. He's gonna analyze 387 00:36:51,777 --> 00:36:57,440 and scan Amazo. like a sentinel would and determine his power set and the best course of action. 388 00:36:57,941 --> 00:37:02,784 Okay, I mean, of course, Amazo's own system is going to sense that it's being scanned and 389 00:37:02,804 --> 00:37:08,769 it's going to mimic that action scanning Bastion as well. Okay, well Bastion is going to generate 390 00:37:08,849 --> 00:37:14,533 these missile pods from his shoulders and he's going to fire a pair of missiles at Amazo that 391 00:37:14,553 --> 00:37:20,557 just blow him up. Okay, except that, you know, once Amazo scans Bastion, he instantly learns... 392 00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:26,718 everything Bastion could do, including shooting energy, which a mezzo he's going to do from 393 00:37:26,758 --> 00:37:31,743 his eyes like Superman to shoot down the missiles. And then he's just going to turn that laser 394 00:37:31,763 --> 00:37:38,048 vision toward Bastion himself and blast his head off. OK. Energy shield. Bastion's going 395 00:37:38,068 --> 00:37:42,952 to throw up like a pink glowing energy shield that blocks the lasers. And then he's going 396 00:37:42,972 --> 00:37:49,057 to techno morph from his back a pair of these razor sharp techno dragon wings kind of thing. 397 00:37:49,406 --> 00:37:54,249 He's going to fly at a mezzo with super speed and he's going to plow his fist right into 398 00:37:54,269 --> 00:38:00,392 a mezzo's face just spinning his head 180 degrees. I mean, like, that's fine. I mean, that doesn't 399 00:38:00,432 --> 00:38:06,016 bother him. His head is now backwards. It's just going to make him angry. And with his 400 00:38:06,096 --> 00:38:11,079 sights still on Bastion who, you know, flew past him, a mezzo is going to techno morph 401 00:38:11,319 --> 00:38:18,063 a ring onto his hand that's going to glow with that. pink energy and having learned to create 402 00:38:18,164 --> 00:38:24,908 energy shields from Bastion, Amazo is going to create a like a crude pink energy construct 403 00:38:24,948 --> 00:38:30,692 of a giant hand that slams Bastion down into the ground and just flattening him. I see what 404 00:38:30,712 --> 00:38:37,757 you're doing here now. You're doing Justice League powers. Yeah. OK. Well, Bastion, he's 405 00:38:37,777 --> 00:38:42,900 going to grow in size to lift this hand off of him. He's going to lose the wings, but he's 406 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,518 going to become like this 20 foot tall. kind of disproportionate distorted figure. And he's 407 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:53,600 gonna manifest all of these like hoses from his back that kind of like snake around and 408 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:58,922 point at Imezo and just like they all blast him with energy from like 10 different angles, 409 00:38:58,942 --> 00:39:05,984 just pew, pew. Okay, so Imezo, he gets tagged by like one or two of the lasers we'll say 410 00:39:06,324 --> 00:39:12,398 before he's just gonna start moving, just like zipping around quickly by generating. energy 411 00:39:12,438 --> 00:39:18,639 boosters on his heels and his back that just propel him forward like really fast. So, Amazo, 412 00:39:18,779 --> 00:39:25,701 he's running zigzags around the environment before he runs behind Bastion and generates 413 00:39:25,941 --> 00:39:32,363 his own like hose cable thing that he's going to lasso around Bastion's neck and he's going 414 00:39:32,383 --> 00:39:37,364 to use his strength to yank him down to the ground real hard. Okay, well, Bastion is going 415 00:39:37,384 --> 00:39:41,485 to shrink back down to normal size now. He's going to immediately get up off the ground. 416 00:39:42,094 --> 00:39:49,135 And you done fucked up because Bastion is gonna grab Amazo's lasso and he's gonna transmit 417 00:39:49,195 --> 00:39:54,857 his technovirus through it and that's gonna infect Amazo and turn him into Bastion's puppet 418 00:39:55,297 --> 00:40:00,859 matchover. I mean jokes on you because like as soon as Bastion starts to do that suddenly 419 00:40:00,919 --> 00:40:07,721 this wing shaped blade severs the lasso cord in half before the technovirus could even reach 420 00:40:07,781 --> 00:40:15,224 Amazo and Amazo's by throwing several more of those wing shaped blades that embed themselves 421 00:40:15,284 --> 00:40:22,948 into Bastion's torso and upload their own Amazos techno virus into him, taking over Bastion's 422 00:40:22,988 --> 00:40:28,931 mind. You can't do, Amazos so stupid, anything that Bastion does, Amazos just do it back. 423 00:40:29,231 --> 00:40:33,434 That's right. I'm gonna say though that the exact opposite happens. I'm gonna say that 424 00:40:33,734 --> 00:40:40,557 Bastion converts these Amazo batterings or whatever into small sentinel drones that look like... 425 00:40:41,342 --> 00:40:46,826 Sentinels from the Matrix movie like with small wild sentinels, okay Okay, and they're fully 426 00:40:46,866 --> 00:40:52,930 under Bastion's control Bastion is gonna send them out to surround a mezzo and These sentinels 427 00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:56,952 are gonna like wrap them up in their tentacles and they're gonna overload them with energy 428 00:40:56,972 --> 00:41:01,556 that just blow them up to pieces We're just like nuts and bolts flying everywhere We had 429 00:41:01,576 --> 00:41:07,320 the heck did a few batterings turn into like a swarm of flying sentinel drones Technomorphing 430 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,967 man, and it's not like a swarm. It's only like three or four or whatever. In fact, where did 431 00:41:13,207 --> 00:41:18,449 Omizo even get the batarangs from? If we're asking questions like that. Uh, I don't even 432 00:41:18,469 --> 00:41:24,712 know. Like, where did Bastion get his wings from? Again, techno-morphing. You know, he 433 00:41:24,752 --> 00:41:29,774 just used some of the mass from his back. He's a dense dude. You know, he can make wings out 434 00:41:29,794 --> 00:41:35,437 of his back. So is that how he grew in size earlier? He just like expanded his dense volume? 435 00:41:36,477 --> 00:41:41,335 Uh. Like I pictured it as more of like a disproportionate growth. He was only using the mass he had available 436 00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:46,097 to grow to 20 feet tall. So I kind of pictured him as like this robot slenderman with like 437 00:41:46,317 --> 00:41:52,200 cables coming out of his back firing glazers. Ah, that's creepy. Yeah, he get pretty creepy 438 00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:59,263 looking sometimes. OK, OK. So Amazo is getting overloaded by these drones, but he's also working 439 00:41:59,323 --> 00:42:05,445 at assimilating these drones back onto his side, which he does, and they're going to like drill 440 00:42:05,485 --> 00:42:12,963 into the ground. and form the frame of this crazy looking wild sentinel made of metal cables 441 00:42:13,083 --> 00:42:19,748 and earth that looks like a giant lobster squid. And it just erupts from the ground and falls 442 00:42:19,808 --> 00:42:26,514 on Bastion and devours him, destroying his technology and bringing an end to this match. He summoned 443 00:42:26,754 --> 00:42:34,620 the Kraken. Okay. Except that as the techno squid creature or whatever is about to land 444 00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:41,888 on Bastion, he's portal above him into the Days of Future Past timeline. And the creature and 445 00:42:41,928 --> 00:42:46,271 Amazo, they're both gonna get pulled into this time portal and they just get their asses handed 446 00:42:46,291 --> 00:42:52,855 to them by a legion of Nimrod series sentinels. Dang, okay. Well, I mean, if time play is an 447 00:42:52,935 --> 00:42:57,917 issue now, Amazo is just gonna generate his own time portal while he's in the Days of Future 448 00:42:57,957 --> 00:43:04,101 Past. And he's gonna go all the way to the 853rd century where he's gonna once again become 449 00:43:04,341 --> 00:43:12,319 Timeazo. And he's just gonna travel all throughout time acquiring all the powers of every DC character 450 00:43:12,439 --> 00:43:17,563 ever And he's gonna return back to the Days of Future Past and just beat the shit out of 451 00:43:17,583 --> 00:43:23,047 those Nimrods After which he's gonna go back to where Bastion is and just beat the shit 452 00:43:23,107 --> 00:43:29,672 out of him Ending this match for real this time Okay Um, I'm gonna say though that Bastion 453 00:43:29,712 --> 00:43:34,592 was quicker with his time travel and he already went and turned all the DC heroes into his 454 00:43:34,652 --> 00:43:41,698 personal sentinel army. So Time-Mazo becomes Die-Mazo. I don't know. Dead-Mazo? Whatever. 455 00:43:42,178 --> 00:43:46,882 Match is over. How are you going to be faster with time travel though? Easy. Time travel. 456 00:43:47,282 --> 00:43:54,168 There's your answer. All right, I guess we'll leave it there. Either a Meizo acquires all 457 00:43:54,208 --> 00:44:02,122 of the powers of every DC hero ever using time travel and uses it to destroy Bastion or Bastion 458 00:44:02,342 --> 00:44:08,847 uses time travel to assimilate every DC hero into a prime sentinel. Why has it got to be 459 00:44:08,867 --> 00:44:13,850 the DC heroes? Why can't you go to your own universe? Sure, you do it to Marvel, too. The 460 00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:17,453 human ones, at least. But yeah, we'll leave it there. We'll input the character stats. 461 00:44:17,553 --> 00:44:21,535 We'll run the simulations and find out which of these ending scenarios happens when we come 462 00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:29,040 back with a winner. AG9K, hit it! Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, 463 00:44:29,561 --> 00:44:35,956 simulations complete. Okay, so it was a huge challenge coming up with a mezzo stats considering 464 00:44:35,976 --> 00:44:41,139 the fact that there's so many different versions of this character like you have one guy who 465 00:44:41,159 --> 00:44:45,501 could take on the entire Justice League and you have another version that can be defeated 466 00:44:45,541 --> 00:44:51,244 by Batman. Yes, so what we decided in the end was to kind of average the Justice League powered 467 00:44:51,305 --> 00:44:56,668 version of a mezzo with what we call the base model a mezzo, which is pretty still damn powerful. 468 00:44:57,168 --> 00:45:03,148 But at that level, we got a character who was pretty on par with Bastion because like the 469 00:45:03,188 --> 00:45:07,452 Justice League Amazo is going to be way too powerful for Bastion, but the base model is 470 00:45:07,552 --> 00:45:13,577 not nearly powerful enough. Right. Yeah. We said that Amazo came out on top in terms of 471 00:45:14,058 --> 00:45:22,185 speed and strength and fighting, surprisingly. Amazo is much more of a brawler than Bastion. 472 00:45:22,645 --> 00:45:28,238 Yeah. Bastion, however, came out ahead in terms of durability, considering like, He could get 473 00:45:28,298 --> 00:45:33,301 his head blown off and reconstitute himself. He's like infinitely repairable. Bastion also 474 00:45:33,321 --> 00:45:38,283 got the edge in intellect because Amazo's a big dum-dum for a robot, which is kind of surprising. 475 00:45:39,304 --> 00:45:45,507 And then Bastion also came out ahead on versatility, which that seems weird, right? Yeah, and that 476 00:45:45,527 --> 00:45:51,511 was a result simply of the averaging that we did between Amazo's most powerful form and 477 00:45:51,551 --> 00:45:56,894 his base form. Interestingly enough, Bastion came out a little bit ahead on that. Yeah, 478 00:45:56,914 --> 00:46:01,995 because base level Amazo doesn't really do a whole lot. Like he can fly and punch things 479 00:46:02,155 --> 00:46:07,417 and shoot lasers from his eyes, but not too much else. Right. Yeah. So taking all of this 480 00:46:07,457 --> 00:46:12,058 into consideration, who do you think came out on top? I'm going to give it to my boy Bastion 481 00:46:12,178 --> 00:46:17,039 for sure. Well, Instagram disagrees with you because 70 percent of them said that Amazo 482 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,561 is going to win. And I feel like I'm on this like DC hot streak when it comes to Instagram, 483 00:46:22,601 --> 00:46:28,127 like the past like five or six polls. have all gone in DC's favor, which I feel like had been 484 00:46:28,207 --> 00:46:33,910 really rare in the past. Yeah, I think consistently Marvel characters usually get the win in those 485 00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:38,053 polls. So, yeah, I don't know what's happening. It feels like the tide of public opinion is 486 00:46:38,073 --> 00:46:43,155 kind of turning against Marvel, which I don't like Marvel fans. Let's represent ourselves 487 00:46:43,195 --> 00:46:48,098 in these polls, but also be honest, you know, with who you think will win, obviously Marvel 488 00:46:48,118 --> 00:46:53,941 characters. Well, let's see if that's true. A.G. 9K, the results, please. Hey, you are, 489 00:46:53,961 --> 00:47:05,798 sir. The winner of the matchup between Imezo and Bastion is Bastion! He won 552 of the 1000 490 00:47:06,258 --> 00:47:15,963 matches or 55.2% compared to Imezo's 44.8% win rate. I feel like that makes sense. Really, 491 00:47:16,023 --> 00:47:21,825 Bastion would just turn Imezo into a sentinel. For as powerful as Imezo is and his whole adapting 492 00:47:21,845 --> 00:47:26,436 ability... At the end of the day, he's made out of technology that Bastion can just manipulate. 493 00:47:26,856 --> 00:47:31,199 But that doesn't make sense to me as reasoning why he would win, because Amazo could just 494 00:47:31,219 --> 00:47:35,262 do the same thing to Bastion if they're, you know, going toe to toe against each other. 495 00:47:35,782 --> 00:47:40,646 Ultimately, I think it really comes down to intelligence because what Amazo think to do 496 00:47:40,666 --> 00:47:46,450 that before Bastion would, and I'm not quite sure he would. Overall, though, this was pretty 497 00:47:46,510 --> 00:47:53,038 close. So, I mean, who's to say? I'm really glad we went with Bastion. for this matchup. 498 00:47:53,198 --> 00:47:58,862 I think initially I wanted to do Nimrod the sentinel from Days of Future Past who is my 499 00:47:58,902 --> 00:48:03,285 favorite sentinel. But Devin Davis, one of the executive producers, was like, now I should 500 00:48:03,305 --> 00:48:10,550 be Bastion. Not only because he's a major villain in the X-Men 97 animated series, but also, 501 00:48:10,690 --> 00:48:17,255 you know, Nimrod becomes Bastion. So Bastion is kind of like the final form of the sentinel 502 00:48:17,315 --> 00:48:21,946 robot. And everybody loves the sentinels. I thought this was a great match. Well, I thought 503 00:48:21,966 --> 00:48:28,448 it sucked. You wanted to go with the Mark 2 Sentinel robots, right? I wanted to go with 504 00:48:28,468 --> 00:48:34,471 the Justice League of Mezzo. Dude is hella powerful, way more powerful than Bastion could ever be. 505 00:48:35,151 --> 00:48:39,153 And I don't know, this loss just makes me feel dirty. It makes me feel like Bastion could 506 00:48:39,193 --> 00:48:44,175 defeat the Justice League, which I know he can't. I mean, if the Justice League were all robots, 507 00:48:44,735 --> 00:48:49,177 he'd have a pretty damn good chance of taking over. So he has no chance then, because none 508 00:48:49,197 --> 00:48:55,068 of them are robots. Well, maybe Cyborg. I don't know. I mean, Cyborg has technopathy too. So 509 00:48:55,369 --> 00:48:58,992 that's true. That's true. But that does it for this duel guys. Let us know what you thought 510 00:48:59,012 --> 00:49:04,976 about the results by writing to us at dyna or by visiting us on Instagram, which you can 511 00:49:04,996 --> 00:49:10,321 find a link to on our show notes or by going to our website at dynamicduel.com. 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If you haven't 518 00:49:45,682 --> 00:49:50,145 checked it out yet, definitely go watch it, especially if you're a fan of the 90s x-men 519 00:49:50,205 --> 00:49:55,148 animated cartoon Even if you weren't it's fantastic. I haven't even started it yet. So I'm gonna 520 00:49:55,188 --> 00:50:00,552 be doing some baby. You better get on that shit. I know But that is over this episode guys. 521 00:50:00,572 --> 00:50:05,438 We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John Storosky, Zachary 522 00:50:05,458 --> 00:50:10,200 Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Miggy Mathangian, Brandon Essergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, 523 00:50:10,401 --> 00:50:16,303 Austin Wiselowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Schunk, Dean 524 00:50:16,343 --> 00:50:21,645 Maleski, and Devin Davis for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys 525 00:50:21,705 --> 00:50:24,467 next week. Up up and away, true believers.