1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,957 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:25,070 --> 00:00:30,954 Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority 3 00:00:30,974 --> 00:00:37,058 between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny 4 00:00:37,098 --> 00:00:43,582 DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we will be reviewing part 5 00:00:43,662 --> 00:00:50,547 three of DC's Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths animated film. It is the conclusion 6 00:00:50,827 --> 00:00:57,115 of not only the trilogy of Crisis films, but also... of the tomorrow verse as a whole. Good 7 00:00:57,195 --> 00:01:03,897 riddance is what I say. You know, I wasn't with you early in the tomorrow verse, but I'm there. 8 00:01:04,358 --> 00:01:10,720 I'm right there. Of course, we're going to be talking about the film later on in this episode. 9 00:01:11,020 --> 00:01:15,062 Actually, you know what? I lied. It's going to be right now because this is a short episode. 10 00:01:15,122 --> 00:01:20,204 It's sort of the column before the storm that is Comic Con. Joseph's going on vacation this 11 00:01:20,244 --> 00:01:25,584 week, so we're recording this episode really early. and we're pretty much gonna just get 12 00:01:25,664 --> 00:01:30,091 right into it. Yep, yeah, we're gonna skip over the no prize because we only got two answers 13 00:01:30,151 --> 00:01:34,458 by the time we started recording this episode. So we're gonna give you guys another week for 14 00:01:34,638 --> 00:01:36,361 the question of the week, which is. 15 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:47,399 What has been your favorite Disney Plus original series from Marvel Studios so far? Thanks to 16 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,742 everyone who's called in with an answer so far. 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Be sure to tune into the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network this week. 32 00:03:08,946 --> 00:03:13,608 including Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action heroes from film and television against 33 00:03:13,648 --> 00:03:19,470 each other. This week, hosts Ken and Scottie are pitting Deadpool against the mask. On the 34 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:25,133 Senjou World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan-favorite anime and manga 35 00:03:25,173 --> 00:03:30,095 characters. The show is currently on a season hiatus, but it's coming back in a few weeks, 36 00:03:30,355 --> 00:03:36,454 so this is the perfect time to catch up on Senjou World's 40-episode library. And on the Console 37 00:03:36,474 --> 00:03:40,918 Combat podcast, hosts John and Dean find out who would win in fights between popular video 38 00:03:40,958 --> 00:03:45,342 game characters. In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win in a battle between 39 00:03:45,442 --> 00:03:52,428 Bowser, Mario's villain, and King Dedede, Kirby's villain. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click 40 00:03:52,448 --> 00:03:57,372 the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. 41 00:03:57,832 --> 00:04:01,776 But with all of that out of the way, now let's move on to the main event of this episode, 42 00:04:02,176 --> 00:04:05,985 where we review Justice League. Crisis on Infinite Earths, part two. 43 00:04:23,278 --> 00:04:27,720 The final crisis on Infinite Earth's Part III, as I mentioned earlier, is the conclusion to 44 00:04:27,761 --> 00:04:34,445 a trilogy of films that in themselves are the conclusion to a 10-part DC animated film series 45 00:04:34,745 --> 00:04:41,710 known as the Tomorrowverse, which began with Superman Man of Tomorrow in 2020. The Tomorrowverse 46 00:04:41,870 --> 00:04:50,236 in itself follows a 16-film animated universe from DC, officially known as the DC Animated 47 00:04:50,296 --> 00:04:57,008 Movie Universe that began with 2013's Justice League The Flashpoint Paradox and ended with 48 00:04:57,088 --> 00:05:04,013 2020's Justice League Dark Apocalypse War. You've already lost me. No, I haven't. You know what 49 00:05:04,033 --> 00:05:09,296 I'm talking about. Though I will admit, maybe some people don't. And that's the problem. 50 00:05:09,697 --> 00:05:16,601 Basically, DC has had two long-running animated movie universes. The initial major one was 51 00:05:16,641 --> 00:05:20,664 the DC animated movie universe, which was 16 films, and then the most recent one, which 52 00:05:20,704 --> 00:05:26,019 started in 2020, was the Tomorrowverse. Sort of. It's actually recently been revealed that 53 00:05:26,059 --> 00:05:32,222 the Tomorrowverse is in fact considered to be a part of the DC animated movie universe, just 54 00:05:32,302 --> 00:05:39,845 its second phase, or the second story arc as it were. And I'm not gonna lie, I hate that. 55 00:05:41,026 --> 00:05:47,469 I thought Justice League Dark Apocalypse War was a perfect conclusion. We rated it 5 stars 56 00:05:47,489 --> 00:05:53,055 in our review. And while Crisis Part III doesn't diminish Apocalypse War as I was afraid it 57 00:05:53,095 --> 00:05:58,876 was going to while watching it, it does make it all the more obvious that the Crisis trilogy 58 00:05:59,096 --> 00:06:05,138 is nowhere close to being as good of a film. In fact, I'd say each film in the Crisis trilogy 59 00:06:05,178 --> 00:06:10,900 got subsequently worse, which is unfortunate, because I wanted the Tomorrowverse to be good. 60 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:16,321 And with its conclusion dropping the ball, I feel like the Tomorrowverse in its entirety 61 00:06:16,821 --> 00:06:22,030 is kind of pointless and better off forgotten. Well, it's strange because it introduced the 62 00:06:22,070 --> 00:06:27,875 concept of the multiverse to DC animation, right? And at the conclusion of this film, that's 63 00:06:28,055 --> 00:06:34,841 all gone now. So you largely have an exercise in redundancy, I guess. I'm afraid that this 64 00:06:34,882 --> 00:06:39,025 is what's going to happen to the Marvel multiverse saga, is that when all is said and done... 65 00:06:39,634 --> 00:06:44,478 after the events of Avengers Secret War and everything is perhaps collapsed into one universe 66 00:06:44,518 --> 00:06:49,143 again, a lot of people are going to feel like these whole series of Marvel phases were pointless. 67 00:06:49,303 --> 00:06:55,008 Yeah, that's, you should be afraid. You should be very afraid. Because clearly that's possible. 68 00:06:55,409 --> 00:07:00,173 Now I've recommended some Tomorrowverse films in the past and if you've gotten to this point 69 00:07:00,213 --> 00:07:06,130 in the universe based on my recommendations, I just want to apologize. I'm not going to 70 00:07:06,190 --> 00:07:10,851 recommend this film, but just in case you plan on watching it for yourself and want to avoid 71 00:07:10,971 --> 00:07:16,073 spoilers, I'd probably stop listening to this episode now, then come back later and finish 72 00:07:16,113 --> 00:07:20,974 it once you've seen the movie. You may have been spoiled on something already, just go 73 00:07:20,994 --> 00:07:27,916 with it, it's fine. Now I was excited for this film initially, I thought Crisis Part 1 was 74 00:07:28,016 --> 00:07:34,755 really interesting and Part 2 was a decent enough setup for what I had hoped. would be a conclusion 75 00:07:34,935 --> 00:07:40,199 as epic as Justice League Dark Apocalypse War, but what I got instead was actually almost 76 00:07:40,239 --> 00:07:46,805 an hour and a half of people just talking. Like, there was little to no action and not against 77 00:07:46,925 --> 00:07:52,290 any kind of threat that you actually cared about. That's true. I don't think a single punch was 78 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:56,273 thrown in this movie. You know, there were a lot of like beams being fired and stuff like 79 00:07:56,293 --> 00:08:00,477 that, but it was primarily against the anti-monitor. They did fight some dinosaurs, which I thought 80 00:08:00,497 --> 00:08:05,047 was kind of weird. But yeah, little to no action, which I think is the major downfall. Like the 81 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:08,708 movie could have been serviceable. Yes, there was a lot of exposition, a lot of talking and 82 00:08:08,728 --> 00:08:13,589 stuff like that. But I think its biggest crime was that it wasn't entertaining from a superhero 83 00:08:13,649 --> 00:08:18,991 action standpoint, which is what people watch these movies for. It's why the genre exists. 84 00:08:19,151 --> 00:08:24,233 Yeah, I mean, that's fair. I don't necessarily always need to be entertained as long as the 85 00:08:24,273 --> 00:08:30,622 story is good and is captivating. But that was not the case here. It definitely suffers from 86 00:08:30,662 --> 00:08:34,444 a villain problem, you could say. You know, in the first film, there was a mezzo in the 87 00:08:34,484 --> 00:08:41,045 crime syndicate. In the second, there were shadow demons and psycho pirates. In the third, there 88 00:08:41,085 --> 00:08:47,407 was the anti-monitor? Though I'm hesitant to even call him that because none of the characters 89 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:52,689 ever did in the film, and he bears little to no resemblance to the anti-monitor from the 90 00:08:52,729 --> 00:08:58,891 comics. This is more of like a shadow demon. Megazord of sorts, but without any of the character 91 00:08:58,991 --> 00:09:04,754 or motivation that was teased in conversations with Psycho Pirate in part two. Right, yeah, 92 00:09:04,774 --> 00:09:08,796 they hinted at some characterization of the Anti-Monitor, like you said, toward the end 93 00:09:08,816 --> 00:09:13,798 of part two, but here he was more like a force of nature, the Anti-Monitor, and there were 94 00:09:13,838 --> 00:09:20,081 like dozens of him, or like millions, I guess. Right, exactly. Yeah, I wanted that motivation. 95 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:24,672 that hint of it that I saw in part two, but that never materialized into anything. And 96 00:09:24,692 --> 00:09:29,494 I think there was a huge, huge downfall for this film. Now I've said in the past that if 97 00:09:29,514 --> 00:09:34,197 you're going to adapt the crisis on infinite earth's comic storyline to a film, you first 98 00:09:34,237 --> 00:09:40,360 need to establish a cinematic multiverse beforehand. For anyone not familiar with the comic storyline 99 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,124 from the eighties, it was a way for DC comics to consolidate the continuity from their golden 100 00:09:46,204 --> 00:09:51,690 and silver age comic stories, which had been established. as existing within separate but 101 00:09:51,750 --> 00:09:58,292 parallel universes, a multiverse which was revealed to contain a near infinite number of Earths. 102 00:09:58,832 --> 00:10:04,974 On Earth 1 you had the Justice League, on Earth 2 you had the Justice Society, on Earth 3 the 103 00:10:05,014 --> 00:10:10,195 heroes were villains and the villains were heroes, Earth 5 was home to the Charlton Comics characters 104 00:10:10,255 --> 00:10:14,836 that DC had acquired, Earth S was home to the Fawcett Comics characters, 105 00:10:18,966 --> 00:10:25,929 so on and so forth. By the Tomorrowverse's second film, Justice Society World War II, the multiverse 106 00:10:26,009 --> 00:10:32,013 was established and it was something most subsequent films continue to build upon in anticipation 107 00:10:32,253 --> 00:10:38,076 for this concluding trilogy. Now a lot of people have not loved the Tomorrowverse. From the 108 00:10:38,116 --> 00:10:44,540 beginning, I praised the character designs, but story-wise, other than a fantastic adaptation 109 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:49,946 of Batman the Long Halloween and a decent Green Lantern film, The Tomorrowverse wasn't really 110 00:10:50,006 --> 00:10:55,628 good enough to build any kind of anticipation, and the approach to adapting the crisis storyline 111 00:10:55,688 --> 00:11:02,790 across three films was inconsistent at best and super confusing at worst, because the first 112 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:09,292 two films kind of play loose with time and don't follow a linear narrative structure. This one 113 00:11:09,352 --> 00:11:15,694 does. I wasn't anticipating that, and it was kind of disappointing. Now, unfortunately, 114 00:11:15,834 --> 00:11:22,117 I wouldn't be surprised if most audiences found the film super confusing and inaccessible because 115 00:11:22,157 --> 00:11:27,219 it requires you to have knowledge of animated projects outside of the existing Tomorrowverse 116 00:11:27,259 --> 00:11:32,961 films. Not only do they reference Justice League Dark Apocalypse War, but they have homages 117 00:11:33,021 --> 00:11:39,144 to Super Friends, Teen Titans, and The Timverse, which includes Justice League, the animated 118 00:11:39,184 --> 00:11:44,967 series, and Batman, the animated series. The thing is, though, Even if you're a fan of those 119 00:11:44,987 --> 00:11:50,151 shows, the brief cameos they offer really weren't enough to get excited about, except for maybe 120 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:56,497 the final performance of Kevin Conroy as Batman and Mark Cowell's Joker in that homage. But 121 00:11:56,797 --> 00:12:03,463 otherwise, yeah, I was not impressed. I agree. I do want to take a moment to highlight Kevin 122 00:12:03,503 --> 00:12:08,448 Conroy's final performance, though. If you're going to go out with a bang, that is how you 123 00:12:08,488 --> 00:12:13,206 do it. The scene between his Batman... and Mark Hamill's Joker, you know, it was less than 124 00:12:13,246 --> 00:12:18,428 a minute long. But the dialogue between the two of Batman realizing that his universe was 125 00:12:18,468 --> 00:12:24,869 coming to an end and to decide to go out fighting the Joker was perfection. And I'm so glad that 126 00:12:25,349 --> 00:12:30,471 Kevin Conroy got that opportunity as his final performance, because it was very touching and 127 00:12:30,511 --> 00:12:35,092 probably honestly the best part of this film. Hands down, it was the best part of this film. 128 00:12:35,512 --> 00:12:43,043 It was so meta and yet so epic and even cathartic in a way. Yeah. If you find the clip online, 129 00:12:43,543 --> 00:12:47,486 that's all you need to watch from this film, essentially, is what I'm saying. It's a great 130 00:12:47,526 --> 00:12:51,689 clip. You guys should watch it if you decide not to watch the film. But even then, the Batman, 131 00:12:51,709 --> 00:12:56,832 the animated series homage, along with the other homages and so many things in this trilogy 132 00:12:57,193 --> 00:13:02,416 felt shoehorned. For sure. You know what it reminded me of? It reminded me of DC's attempt 133 00:13:02,516 --> 00:13:07,380 to explore the multiverse in the Flash movie, the live action Flash movie that came out with 134 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,559 Ezra Miller, how we saw all these different worlds with like, you know, Adam West's Batman 135 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:17,001 and George Reeve's Superman and Christopher Reeve's Superman. It was a nice little wink 136 00:13:17,021 --> 00:13:23,725 and nod for fans of the DC comics and DC media, but it's hollow because there's no real substance 137 00:13:23,745 --> 00:13:28,087 there. Like just showing them and not having them be really a part of the story is kind 138 00:13:28,107 --> 00:13:33,290 of a waste and it's not substantial enough. It's cheap. It's cheap. It's a cheap way to 139 00:13:33,310 --> 00:13:38,153 get you excited. And I'll be honest, I loved that scene in the Flash. The more I look back 140 00:13:38,213 --> 00:13:43,408 on it, the more I don't like it as much. I think it was probably just the experience of seeing 141 00:13:43,448 --> 00:13:47,851 it in the theater that really made me enjoy that. And I definitely did not get that same 142 00:13:47,871 --> 00:13:52,154 kind of feeling watching this version of it because this was like you said, essentially 143 00:13:52,394 --> 00:13:58,939 the animated version of that. It was just thrown in there as were a ton of characters, like 144 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:03,562 they introduced us to a modern black canary, just so she and green arrow can essentially 145 00:14:03,682 --> 00:14:09,398 wink at each other. And that's basically it. They introduced us to the losers, which Okay, 146 00:14:09,458 --> 00:14:14,639 kind of unnecessary and obscure. They teased Darkseid, but we didn't get to see a new version 147 00:14:14,699 --> 00:14:21,161 of him either. The Losers thing actually surprised me because I realized that there was no DC 148 00:14:21,681 --> 00:14:25,923 showcase short that came out in the time of the Tomorrowverse that did not in some way 149 00:14:25,983 --> 00:14:31,404 tie into this crisis series of films. Every short had a purpose, whether it was Commandy 150 00:14:31,904 --> 00:14:38,494 or The Losers or Constantine House of Mystery. Right. it was all kind of required viewing 151 00:14:38,634 --> 00:14:45,496 for full enjoyment of these crisis films. Exactly, yeah. And if you think it's hard to get people 152 00:14:45,536 --> 00:14:50,637 to watch Marvel Disney Plus television shows that tie into films, look at how the Marvel's 153 00:14:50,677 --> 00:14:55,619 movie performed because it required so much Disney Plus viewing, such as WandaVision and 154 00:14:55,659 --> 00:15:01,200 Miss Marvel and Secret Invasion to enjoy that. Try getting people to watch the DC Showcase 155 00:15:01,220 --> 00:15:05,081 shorts. I don't think anybody really watches those. Of course we review them on this podcast, 156 00:15:06,210 --> 00:15:12,092 They're some of our least listened to episodes, you know? Yes. By far. So kudos to the people 157 00:15:12,112 --> 00:15:17,795 who actually watch the DC Showcase shorts and are big enough fans to basically consume all 158 00:15:17,815 --> 00:15:21,236 the media that DC is throwing at them. I think you guys are the ones that are going to get 159 00:15:21,276 --> 00:15:25,798 the most out of this movie and everyone else is just going to be left so cold. But even 160 00:15:25,838 --> 00:15:31,040 if they did watch the Losers short, it's not like there's any kind of payoff here. They 161 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:35,250 mentioned that they're just a bunch of losers and that's it. Like it's kind of cool to see 162 00:15:35,370 --> 00:15:41,434 Aquaman fight a dinosaur, but it's a very fleeting moment in a film that feels very long. Both 163 00:15:41,474 --> 00:15:49,138 of my daughters and my wife fell asleep during this movie, and I wanted to. I think the third 164 00:15:49,218 --> 00:15:53,760 act was the best part, though. Really? I was not happy with the third act. I actually liked 165 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:58,323 the first act the most. The first act was a bunch of randomness because they were in the 166 00:15:58,363 --> 00:16:04,174 Bleed universe where the laws of physics did not apply. So it was just... Yeah, it was very 167 00:16:04,695 --> 00:16:10,119 chaotic and strange. Whereas the third act wrapped everything up, kind of, and answered a lot 168 00:16:10,139 --> 00:16:16,084 of questions. Yeah, I guess, but it wrapped everything up in an underwhelming way. Like, 169 00:16:16,164 --> 00:16:21,789 everything about this film to me was so underwhelming and unsatisfying. The only redeeming quality 170 00:16:21,969 --> 00:16:28,214 I really have to comment on, besides the Kevin Conroy cameo, is the film's ambition. Like 171 00:16:28,254 --> 00:16:33,677 creating a 10 film universe for the sole purpose of adapting the Crisis on Infinite Earth storyline 172 00:16:34,137 --> 00:16:40,481 is no easy task because it requires the filmmakers to capture the same sense of shock and awe 173 00:16:40,781 --> 00:16:48,225 that readers initially had when decades of storytelling culminated in this epic story with unbelievable 174 00:16:48,305 --> 00:16:53,909 stakes. It was the infinity war and end game of its time. And while most of the films in 175 00:16:53,949 --> 00:16:59,008 the Tomorrowverse probably worked really well on paper. As we've mentioned in our past reviews, 176 00:16:59,348 --> 00:17:03,891 when you see the final product, all you can do is hope that they get it right the next 177 00:17:04,011 --> 00:17:09,315 go-round. Except this time, there won't be. And I guess all I'm left with is the hope that 178 00:17:09,375 --> 00:17:15,139 James Gunn can do better when DC's next animated universe begins with Creature Commandos next 179 00:17:15,179 --> 00:17:18,622 year. That is definitely a good thing that you can say about this film is that at the end 180 00:17:18,642 --> 00:17:24,178 of the day, it gives you hope, again, that something better will come along next time. That said, 181 00:17:24,418 --> 00:17:28,680 I have faith that James Gunn will be able to put out a better product. Yeah, same. And honestly, 182 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:34,103 like James Gunn was going to do that whether this film provided closure to an existing animated 183 00:17:34,163 --> 00:17:38,746 universe or not. So there's not much solace in the fact that this sets up something new 184 00:17:38,786 --> 00:17:45,510 because it was going to happen anyway. Now usually in our reviews, we have a character breakdown. 185 00:17:45,710 --> 00:17:51,733 And I'll be honest, there's really no character arcs in this film to break down. Like sure 186 00:17:51,753 --> 00:17:58,257 there are. character moments that are cathartic in some way, but those characters also only 187 00:17:58,297 --> 00:18:02,660 have like two lines in the entire movie. I think the character with the most development was 188 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:09,205 probably Constantine. Yeah, you could say that. His story really revolves around his past actions 189 00:18:09,525 --> 00:18:14,568 that resulted in the creation of the multiverse, him and the Flash, but a lot of it is just 190 00:18:14,608 --> 00:18:20,412 really exposition. I'm not sure if he learns anything. He does get to move on to the afterlife 191 00:18:20,432 --> 00:18:26,584 at the But other than that, yeah, not much more to say. Well, he tried to sacrifice himself, 192 00:18:26,644 --> 00:18:32,348 which felt very unconstantine-like, but the dream machine or whatever that was. The miracle 193 00:18:32,388 --> 00:18:37,812 machine. Honestly, I don't remember what that's from. That was the one thing that had me scratching 194 00:18:37,832 --> 00:18:43,096 my head. Oh, that was from the Legion of Superheroes. You remember when Supergirl had to make a wish 195 00:18:43,396 --> 00:18:48,199 at the very end and like reality kind of split. It was a weird scene. Is that the thing that 196 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:52,870 Brainiac was using to try to take over the universe? Yes. Okay, alright, yeah, I remember what it 197 00:18:52,930 --> 00:18:58,953 is now. But it was strange because for some reason, the dream machine was outside of time 198 00:18:58,973 --> 00:19:04,495 and space, and yet the bleed dimension was also outside of time and space, and I don't know, 199 00:19:04,755 --> 00:19:09,578 there were a lot of disparate elements that seemed a little convenient in terms of being 200 00:19:09,678 --> 00:19:14,160 able to withstand the destruction of the primary universe. Right, and you're referring to the 201 00:19:14,180 --> 00:19:19,306 end of the film. The thing is, though, at that point, they're outside of the bleed. They are 202 00:19:19,426 --> 00:19:25,129 on the monitor's spaceship, which exists between dimensions, but they're also on war world, 203 00:19:25,409 --> 00:19:31,673 which also exists between dimensions. But they say that the miracle machine exists between 204 00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:36,816 dimensions. So it's like, what, how many in between dimensions are there? Yeah. It seems 205 00:19:36,836 --> 00:19:40,638 like there's a lot of different places to go to escape the anti-monitor is all I'm saying, 206 00:19:41,099 --> 00:19:45,081 especially when you don't have someone like, like sleuth or ratting you out, you know? Right. 207 00:19:46,538 --> 00:19:50,960 I guess the only other character worth mentioning was Supergirl. Of course her arc kind of continues 208 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:55,783 from the past film, but for a majority of this film she basically just feels guilty for killing 209 00:19:55,863 --> 00:20:01,726 the monitor and at the end decides to sacrifice herself because she feels responsible for the 210 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:06,268 predicament that all of the Earths find themselves in. So it was inevitable, you know, she died 211 00:20:06,308 --> 00:20:10,791 in the comic storyline as well. Totally saw it coming. The one character that should have 212 00:20:10,811 --> 00:20:13,112 had more backstory I feel like was Batman. 213 00:20:16,194 --> 00:20:20,637 dick to everyone, didn't learn his lesson, and then for some reason at the end of this film 214 00:20:20,657 --> 00:20:26,682 he's like, oh, I'm going to lose you all kind of in a way. And it's like, okay, buddy. All 215 00:20:26,742 --> 00:20:31,066 right. Yeah, we never really saw that growth. Not at all. Which is a shame because Jensen 216 00:20:31,126 --> 00:20:35,690 Ackles was a good Batman. Actually a lot of the cast was good here. I just want to make 217 00:20:35,730 --> 00:20:40,994 that shout out. Jensen Ackles as Batman, Megan Donnelly as Supergirl, Darren Criss as Superman, 218 00:20:41,475 --> 00:20:46,398 and Stan Akadik as Wonder Woman. I will miss this voice cast for sure. And Matt Ryan came 219 00:20:46,418 --> 00:20:51,442 back, who has always in my mind been the perfect voice for Constantine. And this is like for 220 00:20:51,502 --> 00:20:55,464 sure, for sure the last time we're probably going to hear him as the character. So that's 221 00:20:55,624 --> 00:21:00,568 a little bittersweet. Yeah, yeah, I do wish his dialogue was better. I wish the character 222 00:21:00,588 --> 00:21:04,590 was written better. Definitely not as good as Apocalypse War, but that would be a challenge 223 00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:09,633 in and of itself. A few things are as good as Apocalypse War, right? Right, fair. 224 00:21:17,198 --> 00:21:22,860 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 225 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,602 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 226 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:34,345 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 227 00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:43,105 Comic Book Titans smash every Tuesday. 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Before the Anti-Monitor can fully charge up and project 234 00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:25,531 an antimatter wave, the Monitor, having just been fatally burned by Supergirl's heat vision 235 00:22:25,931 --> 00:22:27,912 with his dying breath, sends the 236 00:22:32,290 --> 00:22:36,994 where the anti-monitor can't find them. I wonder why he didn't do that to begin with. Why did 237 00:22:37,014 --> 00:22:40,737 he wait until the moment of his death to send everyone to the bleed where they were more 238 00:22:40,777 --> 00:22:49,885 safe? Oh, cause he sucks. That's the only reason I don't know. All right. It seemed like a last 239 00:22:49,905 --> 00:22:55,149 ditch effort, but it was also the best way to protect so many earths that had been destroyed 240 00:22:55,189 --> 00:22:59,744 by this point. I think maybe he didn't want to do it because it was a last ditch effort, 241 00:22:59,964 --> 00:23:04,528 knowing the chaos that would befall the different Earths if he did. Oh, you mean due to the lack 242 00:23:04,608 --> 00:23:10,693 of laws of physics? Right, quantum physics specifically. I guess Lex Luthor did mention in the movie 243 00:23:10,733 --> 00:23:15,536 that all the Earths were going to eventually die due to these catastrophic events, so maybe 244 00:23:15,696 --> 00:23:20,060 that's the answer to why the monitor didn't do this in the first place. Right, right, exactly. 245 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:25,159 Like I said, it was a last ditch effort. Now, flashing forward eight months, Superman of 246 00:23:25,239 --> 00:23:30,963 Earth-1 and Hawk Girl find Wonder Woman adrift in the bleed and bring her aboard their ship, 247 00:23:31,303 --> 00:23:36,487 explaining that they found her tiara floating in the interdimensional space and suspected 248 00:23:36,527 --> 00:23:43,172 her immortality allowed her to survive the Anti-Monitor's antimatter wave from the previous film. After 249 00:23:43,232 --> 00:23:48,515 reuniting with Earth-2 Superman, Wonder Woman is taken to the Monitor ship, where she learns 250 00:23:48,535 --> 00:23:55,337 that because the bleed exists outside of space-time, Both space and time are in flux across the 251 00:23:55,377 --> 00:24:01,162 surviving worlds, making it a challenge to protect and provide for the survivors. Wonder Woman, 252 00:24:01,342 --> 00:24:07,668 the Superman, and others then rescue the inhabitants of Earth-1 from dinosaurs that emerged from 253 00:24:07,709 --> 00:24:13,134 a chronal anomaly along with the losers. Now does this movie imply that there was only one 254 00:24:13,214 --> 00:24:18,574 Wonder Woman in the multiverse? It kind of seemed that way. Right, because then you would have 255 00:24:18,774 --> 00:24:23,837 a whole multitude of Wonder Women surviving the destruction of their universe due to the 256 00:24:23,877 --> 00:24:29,781 antimatter wave. Which to me is dumb, because- It's bullshit. Wonder Woman has never been 257 00:24:29,861 --> 00:24:34,643 immortal. I mean, immortal, yes, in the sense that she doesn't age, or like ages very slowly, 258 00:24:34,683 --> 00:24:40,707 and may not die from aging. But the fact that she could survive antimatter when so many other 259 00:24:40,747 --> 00:24:46,342 things in the universe couldn't, makes me wonder why she gets to be so special. Yeah, none of 260 00:24:46,362 --> 00:24:50,963 the other Themyscirans or even like the Olympian gods or anything else that was around in that 261 00:24:51,023 --> 00:24:56,964 universe were able to outlive its destruction. But she was. So dumb, I hated that. They used 262 00:24:56,984 --> 00:25:01,686 that at the end though, implying that like because she was immortal she had like almost infinite 263 00:25:01,786 --> 00:25:09,568 life to sacrifice, I guess was the idea. That's how I understood it. Also hated that. If you 264 00:25:09,608 --> 00:25:15,109 make Wonder Woman immortal, why even give her bracelets? You know? That's true. I don't get 265 00:25:15,149 --> 00:25:21,168 it, I don't get it. Now, Secret Society of Super-Villains, led by Lex Luthor, convenes on Earth 10, where 266 00:25:21,208 --> 00:25:26,872 they discuss how the multiverse Earths can't survive the bleed. It's revealed that Psycho-Pirate 267 00:25:26,932 --> 00:25:32,855 is Lex's prisoner, and Lex forces Psycho-Pirate to reach out to the Anti-Monitor. Meanwhile, 268 00:25:33,095 --> 00:25:39,699 on the same Earth, Batman and his allies battle an army of time-displaced Nazi soldiers armed 269 00:25:39,719 --> 00:25:45,991 with weapons from Gotham's villains. When Batman is gassed with fear toxin, He remembers encountering 270 00:25:46,051 --> 00:25:53,177 an elderly Barry Allen during his time on Warworld. Now of course Earth-10 in the comics is actually 271 00:25:53,297 --> 00:25:59,743 Earth-X. It's like the Roman numeral 10 where Nazis never lost the war. It's the Earth where 272 00:25:59,823 --> 00:26:05,368 the quality comics characters like Uncle Sam and Black Condor live. One thing I really didn't 273 00:26:05,408 --> 00:26:11,119 get in this film is how Psycho Pirate became so freaking weak. Like how would he become 274 00:26:11,179 --> 00:26:16,500 Lex Luthor's prisoner when he could totally just take control of Lex Luthor and all of 275 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,662 the other villains? Well, he was being tortured at the start of this movie, so you have to 276 00:26:20,702 --> 00:26:27,544 assume that somehow he was captured and tortured immediately, I guess? Okay, maybe, but also 277 00:26:27,784 --> 00:26:33,125 he's the freaking Psycho Pirate. Like he was totally amped up with power in the second film. 278 00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:38,552 and could have easily just projected his emotions to take control of the situation, whether he's 279 00:26:38,572 --> 00:26:43,675 being tortured or not. Like if he's feeling pain and like distress from being tortured, 280 00:26:43,915 --> 00:26:49,318 he could project that distress onto the people torturing him. That's valid. So that was dumb. 281 00:26:50,139 --> 00:26:55,522 Moving on back on the mothership, as Supergirl expresses remorse for killing the monitor, 282 00:26:55,842 --> 00:27:00,824 Lex Luthor arrives just as the Anti-Monitor finds and destroys Aquaman's underwater world 283 00:27:01,165 --> 00:27:08,299 of Earth-146. by projecting an antimatter wave. After Batman confides with Dr. Midnight about 284 00:27:08,339 --> 00:27:14,381 his vision of the Flash, Dr. Fate confirms that Batman's vision was real and that to solve 285 00:27:14,401 --> 00:27:20,082 their ongoing crisis they would need to look back to before the creation of the multiverse. 286 00:27:20,542 --> 00:27:25,864 When Jon Stewart remembers that John Constantine mentioned that he'd been around since before 287 00:27:25,904 --> 00:27:32,178 the universe began, they manage to find him drunk in a saloon on Earth 18. and suffering 288 00:27:32,218 --> 00:27:39,461 from memory loss. The scene in which Supergirl is confessing her guilt to Batgirl, I assume 289 00:27:39,561 --> 00:27:44,603 is around the time that Supergirl revealed the existence of the dream machine to Barbara Gordon, 290 00:27:44,983 --> 00:27:50,305 and I'm wondering why she didn't ever think to use the dream machine to stop the Anti-Monitor 291 00:27:50,345 --> 00:27:55,987 to begin with. That's a great question, and that's a major plot hole. She knew the location, 292 00:27:56,408 --> 00:28:01,470 so she could have easily told everyone where to find it and how they could use it. It's 293 00:28:01,570 --> 00:28:07,451 really weird that she didn't do that. But, you know, regardless, at the very minimum, they 294 00:28:07,471 --> 00:28:12,353 should have had the scene where she told Batgirl about it. Yeah. Maybe they didn't have that 295 00:28:12,373 --> 00:28:16,134 because then they realized that if that had been the case, she could have used the Miracle 296 00:28:16,174 --> 00:28:21,375 Machine to save everyone from the very start. Plot hole. Now after the Anti-Monitor finds 297 00:28:21,415 --> 00:28:27,457 and destroys Earth-2, the heroes on Monitor's ship deduce that the Anti-Monitor is able to 298 00:28:27,517 --> 00:28:33,443 find their worlds in the Bleed. because someone there is in contact with him. While Lex Luthor 299 00:28:33,463 --> 00:28:39,266 confesses to sacrificing worlds to gain more information on the anti-monitor, back on Earth 300 00:28:39,346 --> 00:28:46,309 18, Batman, Dr. Fate, and Constantine perform a seance to access Constantine's past memories, 301 00:28:46,649 --> 00:28:51,571 where they view the concluding events of the film Justice League Dark Apocalypse War and 302 00:28:51,651 --> 00:28:56,693 learn that Constantine encouraged the Flash to go back in time to kill Darkseid as a baby, 303 00:28:57,174 --> 00:29:02,837 so that he could never destroy their universe. Unknown to the Flash, Constantine sacrificed 304 00:29:02,877 --> 00:29:08,800 a part of his soul to place a spell on Flash so that any being he encountered would die, 305 00:29:09,141 --> 00:29:14,124 knowing that the Flash wouldn't be able to bring himself to actually kill a baby. As one of 306 00:29:14,164 --> 00:29:20,687 the immutable pillars of existence, Darkseid's death shattered reality, creating a multiverse 307 00:29:20,807 --> 00:29:25,822 of infinite Earths. First of all, how cute was baby Darkseid? I just wanted to grab him and 308 00:29:25,842 --> 00:29:29,705 squeeze him and just be like, aw, little baby Darkseid. I don't think I could have come to 309 00:29:29,745 --> 00:29:34,088 kill him either. He was just too adorable. Second of all, how do you feel about Darkseid being 310 00:29:34,128 --> 00:29:39,552 like a pillar of the universe what the MCU would call an absolute point or a nexus being or 311 00:29:39,572 --> 00:29:43,435 something like that? I think it makes total sense. I actually really liked that explanation. 312 00:29:43,635 --> 00:29:47,878 They also refer to him as like a fixed point in time. So yeah, it reminded me a lot of like 313 00:29:47,898 --> 00:29:53,502 a nexus being for a Marvel. Does that mean though that the DC universe is- always destined to 314 00:29:53,522 --> 00:30:00,306 be destroyed by Darkseid obtaining the anti-life equation. I think so. I think so. I think that's 315 00:30:00,326 --> 00:30:05,029 what the final crisis was all about in the comics because that's what happens. Darkseid is essentially 316 00:30:05,129 --> 00:30:11,112 DC's devil, and there's only one of him in the entire multiverse in the comics when the multiverse 317 00:30:11,132 --> 00:30:15,775 was reestablished. So yeah, I actually really liked that. My understanding of the situation 318 00:30:15,815 --> 00:30:20,677 is that because Constantine and the Flash created a universe in which there was no Darkseid, 319 00:30:21,134 --> 00:30:26,775 universe kind of shattered and started cascading in a series of events and choices that would 320 00:30:26,835 --> 00:30:31,356 split off alternate dimensions and whatnot. Yeah, an infinite number of dimensions. It 321 00:30:31,376 --> 00:30:36,278 was unsustainable essentially is how they explained it. Now when the heroes witness anti-monitor 322 00:30:36,318 --> 00:30:42,699 destroy Earth A.D. which is Commandy's Earth, Lex deduces that the energy of the merged suns 323 00:30:42,980 --> 00:30:48,381 should be powerful enough to destroy the anti-monitor though Superman would likely die absorbing 324 00:30:48,501 --> 00:30:55,184 and delivering the Guilt-stricken, Kara takes Superman's place, flying into the sun to absorb 325 00:30:55,344 --> 00:31:00,926 its energy. When the Anti-Monitor appears in the Bleed once again, the heroes of the Multiverse 326 00:31:00,946 --> 00:31:07,089 attack it in an effort to buy Kara time to absorb enough energy. When Martian Manhunter takes 327 00:31:07,229 --> 00:31:12,031 over Lex Luthor's mind, using him to encourage Superman to disable the Earth's towers and 328 00:31:12,071 --> 00:31:16,032 pull the planets out of the Bleed, the heroes comply, allowing 329 00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:26,054 and deliver a blow to Anti-Monitor strong enough to crack his armor. Meanwhile, on Earth 18, 330 00:31:26,454 --> 00:31:31,957 new members from the Green Lantern Corps find Jon Stewart and deliver him a Green Lantern 331 00:31:32,077 --> 00:31:38,141 Ring. And now we finally know why the Warworld movie even existed, because I think we speculated 332 00:31:38,181 --> 00:31:43,764 in previous reviews that the Warworld movie had no purpose in the larger Tomorrowverse 333 00:31:43,824 --> 00:31:49,019 narrative, and we were wrong. this was its purpose, to be used as a weapon against the Anti-Monitor. 334 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,843 Right, exactly. Part of me still doesn't care. Part of me doesn't think that needed to be 335 00:31:55,003 --> 00:32:01,087 a film. But I mean, it is honestly cool to see Warworld in action. When Anti-Monitor attacks 336 00:32:01,127 --> 00:32:06,971 Warworld, Jon Stewart and his core members manage to shield it from the Anti-Monitor wave. To 337 00:32:07,011 --> 00:32:12,786 fuel Warworld with enough emotional energy to attack Anti-Monitor again. Martian Manhunter 338 00:32:12,826 --> 00:32:18,651 takes control of the mind of Electrocutioner on Earth-10 to persuade Psycho Pirate to use 339 00:32:18,691 --> 00:32:25,437 his power to unify the emotions of every Earth in the Multiverse. With Warworld able to breach 340 00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:32,583 the Anti-Monitor's armor once again, a solar-energized Supergirl flies into Anti-Monitor and sacrifices 341 00:32:32,623 --> 00:32:37,928 herself to destroy him. Superman brings her body to Warworld, where the heroes and villains 342 00:32:38,028 --> 00:32:43,023 of the Multiverse have grouped. Now, one thing that I thought was bullshit was the fact that 343 00:32:43,083 --> 00:32:48,946 the Green Lanterns were able to stop an anti-monitor wave. Because everything that the heroes have 344 00:32:48,966 --> 00:32:54,708 been throwing at it prior to this proved ineffective. So why now all of a sudden? Yeah, the Green 345 00:32:54,728 --> 00:32:58,030 Lanterns were like, this isn't going to work. And just it was like, you just have to have 346 00:32:58,070 --> 00:33:01,811 the willpower or something like that. I'm like, that's such crap. Because then you could just 347 00:33:01,831 --> 00:33:05,413 have the Green Lanterns going and protecting every Earth. They could have been doing that 348 00:33:05,433 --> 00:33:11,387 this whole time. The movie does make you think that Psycho Pirate would find newfound motivation 349 00:33:11,547 --> 00:33:17,408 in trying to take over Warworld because the Psycho Pirate controlled Warworld would be 350 00:33:17,609 --> 00:33:23,030 almost unstoppable, you would think. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that'd be wild. I am really curious as 351 00:33:23,050 --> 00:33:28,251 to what emotion he had everyone in the multiverse feel, all of the different Earths, because 352 00:33:28,272 --> 00:33:33,893 they never say. They all got super horny. That's it. That's probably it. I can see that. Yeah. 353 00:33:33,933 --> 00:33:41,149 Stupid. When Batman and Doctor Fate explained the reason for the multiverses broken and expanding 354 00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:47,674 nature, it's deduced that the Anti-Monitor was the multiverses natural defense to stop its 355 00:33:47,774 --> 00:33:54,378 limitless and chaotic expansion. As hundreds more Anti-Monitors suddenly emerge, Batgirl 356 00:33:54,438 --> 00:34:00,022 reveals that Supergirl once told her of a miracle machine that existed in a pocket dimension 357 00:34:00,423 --> 00:34:06,623 between realities. Using Nightshade's teleportation powers, the heroes are able to transfer the 358 00:34:06,663 --> 00:34:14,447 miracle machine to Warworld. As Earth's 508 and 12 fall to the Anti-Monitors, the heroes 359 00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:20,190 come to the conclusion that to save the multiverse, they need to merge it into one prime universe 360 00:34:20,490 --> 00:34:26,754 with its own history. How did Marshall Manhunter know where to find the Dream Machine? So my 361 00:34:26,814 --> 00:34:34,991 guess is that since Warworld exists between universes, he was able to expertly navigate 362 00:34:35,011 --> 00:34:39,015 them because that's what he had been doing this whole time. You know, he was in the bleed with 363 00:34:39,055 --> 00:34:44,580 everyone else. He had always been on Warworld, just in between everything. How he was able 364 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,844 to get Nightshade to teleport the miracle machine onto Warworld, even though she was like, I 365 00:34:49,864 --> 00:34:54,588 can't do it, was weird, because he was just like, oh, yeah, you can. And it was just there. 366 00:34:55,309 --> 00:35:01,542 Good explanation. Exactly. I wonder why if Marshall Manhunter had control of. Warworld this entire 367 00:35:01,602 --> 00:35:07,105 time if he didn't kind of corral the surviving heroes and use it as a base since apparently 368 00:35:07,465 --> 00:35:11,908 It was able to navigate the multiverse in that way. It became a base at the end But I feel 369 00:35:11,948 --> 00:35:15,910 like that could have happened sooner Yeah, he really should have been around in the first 370 00:35:15,970 --> 00:35:21,233 two movies, but they did that whole trick with like Oh, he was there when Warworld exploded. 371 00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:27,656 Wait. No, he wasn't It was cheap. In the final moments of the film Wonder Woman sacrifices 372 00:35:27,696 --> 00:35:33,172 her immortal self to power the miracle machine to create a new universe, which a majority 373 00:35:33,212 --> 00:35:38,536 of the heroes and villains step into, saying goodbye to one another before merging into 374 00:35:38,576 --> 00:35:44,501 the new universe. As the rest of the multiverse and war world are destroyed, the Spectre and 375 00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:50,326 Constantine move into the afterlife. In the new single Prime Universe, a young Wonder Woman 376 00:35:50,366 --> 00:35:56,071 plays on the island paradise of Themyscira. Which makes me wonder how she got there, because 377 00:35:56,111 --> 00:36:00,430 she wasn't one of the few that walked into the new universe. I assume the new universe is 378 00:36:00,470 --> 00:36:05,855 populated by people whether they sacrifice themselves or not. I mean, people who did sacrifice themselves 379 00:36:06,175 --> 00:36:12,801 were just a part of a larger whole, I guess, as it were. But the line regarding Wonder Woman's 380 00:36:12,961 --> 00:36:18,446 immortality not being a thing anymore kind of threw me off because I guess they're saying 381 00:36:18,466 --> 00:36:23,149 she's not immortal now? Yeah, her mother Queen Hippolyta implied that. She was like, princesses 382 00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:29,523 aren't immortal. I was like, what? Now she's not? Okay? I didn't quite look hard enough 383 00:36:29,543 --> 00:36:34,987 to determine if the art style of the new DC Prime animated universe was very different 384 00:36:35,007 --> 00:36:39,832 from the Tomorrowverse. Like, was that final scene done in the same style that the upcoming 385 00:36:39,872 --> 00:36:44,396 Creature Commandos is going to be in? And if so, is this our first look at James Gunn's 386 00:36:44,476 --> 00:36:50,761 new DCU? It's hard to tell. Because the character designs in the Tomorrowverse weren't like that 387 00:36:50,842 --> 00:36:56,806 same kind of blocky Tim-verse style, you know, they were all pretty unique. I can't tell if 388 00:36:56,907 --> 00:37:02,512 this is a new style of animation or if it's more of the same. It looks like it's more of 389 00:37:02,572 --> 00:37:07,656 the same to me personally. But who's to say that that's not the style that we'll be seeing 390 00:37:07,676 --> 00:37:12,220 with Creature Commandos? It could be. I guess we'll find out later this year. If this in 391 00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:18,326 fact is that same style, I wonder if this implies that this is our first look at Wonder Woman 392 00:37:18,786 --> 00:37:24,379 in James Gunn's DCU. And maybe our first look at- Themyscira that's gonna be in the Paradise 393 00:37:24,439 --> 00:37:29,844 Lost HBO series. And maybe our first look at the Wonder Woman costume that she'll be wearing 394 00:37:30,124 --> 00:37:35,128 with like the pants, which I would hate. Lot of speculation, lot of unanswered questions, 395 00:37:35,648 --> 00:37:44,095 which I don't love. Like at the end of a cinematic universe, as it were, I would love for everything 396 00:37:44,135 --> 00:37:51,241 to be wrapped up in a nice bow. That's not the case here. And I can't express how disappointed 397 00:37:51,421 --> 00:37:57,685 I am. by the whole Tomorrowverse project. Now, with this film specifically, though it's ambitious 398 00:37:57,725 --> 00:38:04,190 and heartfelt, it's convoluted and it's a dull conclusion to the Tomorrowverse that proves 399 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:10,794 inaccessible to all but DC's most diehard animation fans. I really hope you guys are out there 400 00:38:11,275 --> 00:38:15,237 and I really hope you were able to get some enjoyment out of this if you were, because 401 00:38:15,638 --> 00:38:22,946 no one else did. And I say that as a diehard animation fan from DC. Now we gave Crisis Part 402 00:38:23,186 --> 00:38:31,228 1 3.5 stars, we gave Crisis Part 2 3 stars. I think this film, Part 3, is one step below 403 00:38:31,248 --> 00:38:39,831 that. So I'm giving it 2.5 stars, a rotten rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't recommend it, and 404 00:38:40,011 --> 00:38:47,353 overall I can't really say I recommend the Tomorrowverse as a whole, unfortunately. I would recommend 405 00:38:47,553 --> 00:38:53,496 if you're interested in getting into DC animation. to either re-watch or watch for the first time 406 00:38:53,977 --> 00:38:58,301 the DC animated movie universe, which began with Justice League the Flashpoint Paradox 407 00:38:58,741 --> 00:39:03,425 and ended with Apocalypse War. And just end there. Like, don't continue on after that. 408 00:39:03,445 --> 00:39:08,971 It's not worth it. Except for maybe Batman and Long Halloween. That was good. Yeah. But if 409 00:39:09,031 --> 00:39:13,455 anything, the brief glimpse that we got in this film of Justice League Dark Apocalypse War, 410 00:39:13,635 --> 00:39:18,454 you know, like seeing those characters and that art style. and all that, just maybe remember 411 00:39:18,474 --> 00:39:23,556 how much we connected with those characters emotionally. So much more than we did with 412 00:39:23,656 --> 00:39:29,639 these hollow shells that were in the Tomorrowverse. And it also reminded me of just how great Apocalypse 413 00:39:29,659 --> 00:39:34,161 War was. It definitely makes me want to rewatch it again. It makes me want to watch all of 414 00:39:34,181 --> 00:39:38,962 the films in the DC animated movie universe because actually there's a few that I haven't 415 00:39:39,002 --> 00:39:43,944 seen. And it was just a really well put together cinematic universe, one that rivaled, in my 416 00:39:43,984 --> 00:39:49,734 opinion, the MCU's Infinity Saga. Absolutely, but you're not going to get a chance to re-watch 417 00:39:49,774 --> 00:39:55,256 the DC AMU films because you have a whole lot of other animated television shows to watch 418 00:39:55,296 --> 00:40:02,098 this summer including My Adventures with Superman season 2, Suicide Squad Isekai season 1, Batman 419 00:40:02,218 --> 00:40:09,840 Caped Crusader season 1, Kite Man season 1, and Watchmen chapter 1. So you have all of 420 00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:15,081 your free time accounted for basically. If you guys don't hear from me, it's because I'm watching 421 00:40:15,101 --> 00:40:21,225 TV. That is my life now. I have to start watching Hit Monkey too, but I'm really looking forward 422 00:40:21,245 --> 00:40:25,830 to that. I'm looking forward to all of it. Though I will say, we will be dropping some of our 423 00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:31,415 reviews a little late, I think, just so that all of my life is not just television. I do 424 00:40:31,435 --> 00:40:37,801 have a job, I do have a family. So if things are coming late, just expect that. Yeah, just 425 00:40:37,821 --> 00:40:42,005 know that they are coming. But I think that does it for this review. AJ9K helped close 426 00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:48,671 us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic duel. Visit the show's website at dynamicduel.com 427 00:40:49,511 --> 00:40:55,213 and follow us on Instagram at dynamicduelpodcast. You can support the show on Patreon at patreon.com 428 00:40:55,633 --> 00:41:00,314 slash dynamicduel and joining a tier that works for you, or by rating and reviewing Dynamic 429 00:41:00,334 --> 00:41:05,996 duel on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website. Don't forget to listen to the 430 00:41:06,036 --> 00:41:11,277 other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network, including Max Destruction, Senjou World and 431 00:41:11,317 --> 00:41:16,736 Console Combat. Our next episode is going to be another review, but it's going to be an 432 00:41:16,876 --> 00:41:23,161 awesome review because it's going to be of Deadpool and Wolverine. Another culmination of a trilogy 433 00:41:23,201 --> 00:41:28,265 that is infinitely more awesome than Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm expecting a lot from 434 00:41:28,305 --> 00:41:31,808 Deadpool and Wolverine and I hope it meets my expectations. I have to try to manage them 435 00:41:31,928 --> 00:41:37,753 because I am just off the walls with anticipation. This is the only MCU film that you're getting 436 00:41:37,793 --> 00:41:42,563 this year, right? Correct. There's still a couple more Sony Marvel movies coming out this year, 437 00:41:42,603 --> 00:41:47,825 including Venom and Craven the Hunter. But Deadpool and Wolverine is the only MCU film. Yeah. We're 438 00:41:47,845 --> 00:41:52,827 not getting another Marvel Studios film until Valentine's Day with Captain America Brave 439 00:41:52,847 --> 00:41:58,209 New World. I was going to say sucks to suck, but I only have Joker 2 coming out this year. 440 00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:02,771 But that's going to be phenomenal, like way better than Deadpool and Wolverine. Manage 441 00:42:02,791 --> 00:42:07,493 your expectations. We all know Joker Part 2 is going to suck. OK. It's a musical. All right. 442 00:42:07,513 --> 00:42:11,458 I don't know that. You can't say that, I don't know that. But that does it for this episode 443 00:42:11,498 --> 00:42:16,080 guys, we want to give a big thanks to our executive producers Ken Johnson, Jon Sturawski, Zachary 444 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:21,301 Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Miggie Bantanghian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, 445 00:42:21,661 --> 00:42:28,023 Austin Wiselowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Schunk, Dean 446 00:42:28,063 --> 00:42:33,605 Molesky, Devin Davis, and Joseph Kersting for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll 447 00:42:33,645 --> 00:42:39,042 talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. My middle name is Miracle Machine.