1 00:00:03,277 --> 00:00:03,338 you 2 00:00:23,490 --> 00:00:28,593 Dynamic Dual Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority 3 00:00:28,633 --> 00:00:34,657 between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Marvelous 4 00:00:34,717 --> 00:00:40,181 Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode, it's a Halloween themed episode, 5 00:00:40,221 --> 00:00:45,344 we're going to find out who would win in a fight between the Batman villain, Man-Bat, and the 6 00:00:45,424 --> 00:00:52,209 Spider-Man villain, Morbius. Yeah, Morbius is like a vampire and Man-Bat is like this man 7 00:00:52,229 --> 00:00:52,969 that's a bat. 8 00:00:57,487 --> 00:01:03,270 It's spooky. Yeah. Morbius isn't strictly a vampire. He's like a pseudo vampire. Basically 9 00:01:03,390 --> 00:01:08,632 he did some experiments with vampire bats and became not a supernatural type of vampire but 10 00:01:08,652 --> 00:01:13,014 like a scientific type of vampire. That was all done due to the Comics Code Authority because 11 00:01:13,034 --> 00:01:17,276 they couldn't include actual vampires in the comics at the time. Yeah, so glad that the 12 00:01:17,316 --> 00:01:21,542 publishers got away from using that. Before we gather statistics on these characters. and 13 00:01:21,602 --> 00:01:25,483 run them through 1,000 simulations to find out who would win in a fight, we're going to go 14 00:01:25,503 --> 00:01:29,344 over the comic book movie news from the past week. There wasn't too much news to come out 15 00:01:29,364 --> 00:01:34,465 this past week, basically because DC is gonna save all their headlines for the upcoming DC 16 00:01:34,485 --> 00:01:39,666 fandom event that's coming out on October 16th. And basically Marvel is holding on to their 17 00:01:39,707 --> 00:01:44,008 news so that they can release it right after the event so that they can poach all the headlines. 18 00:01:44,028 --> 00:01:49,509 What? But we will be discussing the upcoming full celebrity guest list that will be at the 19 00:01:49,529 --> 00:01:54,078 DC fandom event. Marvel totally would pull a dick move like that. I can't wait for them 20 00:01:54,098 --> 00:01:58,840 to pull that dick move just so I could call them out on pulling that dick move. And then 21 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:05,161 what are you gonna do about it? Call them dicks. As always, we list our segment times in our 22 00:02:05,201 --> 00:02:09,282 episode description, so feel free to check out our show notes if you wanna skip ahead to a 23 00:02:09,323 --> 00:02:13,584 particular topic. And just a reminder, only the four most recent episodes of this podcast 24 00:02:13,624 --> 00:02:17,845 are available to the listening public. 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A No Prize 32 00:03:01,433 --> 00:03:06,076 is an award that Marvel used to give out up until the 90s to fans. Our version, the Dynamic 33 00:03:06,116 --> 00:03:11,059 Duel No Prize, is a digital award that we post on social media that I personally draw for 34 00:03:11,099 --> 00:03:15,963 those who we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. For last week, we asked, 35 00:03:16,323 --> 00:03:21,206 who is your favorite Marvel or DC character created or partially created? by Jack Kirby 36 00:03:21,366 --> 00:03:26,428 and why. Of course, Jack Kirby was one of the most prolific comic book creators back in the 37 00:03:26,468 --> 00:03:31,410 golden age and silver age of comics. He created a ton of Marvel and DC's beloved characters 38 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:35,272 and a lot of you guys responded with your favorites. Let's go ahead and run down our honorable mentions 39 00:03:35,312 --> 00:03:41,454 as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Nate who said, Hey guys, it's 40 00:03:41,594 --> 00:03:46,877 Nate here and for the question of the week, could you ask a more vague question? I mean, 41 00:03:46,917 --> 00:03:52,283 honestly, you could say any. one of your favorite characters and chances are, Jack the King Kirby 42 00:03:52,303 --> 00:03:58,067 has made it. But in all honesty, I gotta go with my favorite character by him is Galactus. 43 00:03:58,587 --> 00:04:06,732 To this day, his design holds up and it is fantastic. No pun intended, I guess. Well, to answer your 44 00:04:06,752 --> 00:04:12,836 question about whether we could ask something more vague, the answer is yes. Yes, yeah, totally, 45 00:04:12,936 --> 00:04:16,962 we could have. But to respond to the second part of your answer. Yeah, when it comes to 46 00:04:17,242 --> 00:04:24,185 Jack Kirby's character designs, I think Lactis is the epitome of his complex style of line 47 00:04:24,205 --> 00:04:29,547 work and tech-like embellishments, similar to how he designed the Celestials or the New Gods 48 00:04:29,588 --> 00:04:34,990 over on DC. And it's so strange because it's like the complete opposite of the Silver Surfer 49 00:04:35,030 --> 00:04:40,672 character who's very stripped down, basically just like this naked silver dude without any 50 00:04:40,712 --> 00:04:45,686 embellishments. Right, very streamlined. Yeah. The silhouette of Galactus, I think, is one 51 00:04:45,706 --> 00:04:52,029 of the most iconic and striking designs in comics. There's like nothing else like it. Oh, definitely 52 00:04:52,089 --> 00:04:57,051 not, yeah, and I really can't wait till we see him in live action. Like, properly? Right, 53 00:04:57,131 --> 00:05:00,173 yeah, yeah. Because I've seen him show up in like some video games and stuff and he just 54 00:05:00,193 --> 00:05:05,235 looks so epic. And it's gonna be awesome when he eventually rears his head in the MCU. Our 55 00:05:05,275 --> 00:05:10,357 next honorable mention goes to Michael Haggerty, who said... Hey guys, Michael Haggerty here. 56 00:05:10,937 --> 00:05:16,051 So uh... My favorite character by Jack Kirby, there's only one real way to bring him out, 57 00:05:16,131 --> 00:05:22,154 to announce him like a wrestler. And it's this, gone the form of man. My favorite Jack Kirby 58 00:05:22,174 --> 00:05:29,437 character is Etrigan. Oh, hit you with a poem. Anyway, yeah that's it. I'm kind of embarrassed 59 00:05:29,497 --> 00:05:33,538 I did that, but you know, whatever. It's cool, I stand by it. I stand by my decision. Etrigan. 60 00:05:33,758 --> 00:05:39,421 Etrigan for president. Yeah? We prefer all of our answers to be in the form of a poem. Yeah, 61 00:05:39,481 --> 00:05:44,756 totally. Take note guys. You know, Etrogen is definitely one of the coolest characters, I 62 00:05:44,796 --> 00:05:49,641 think personally, that Jack Kirby came up with. Definitely one of the darkest. Oh yeah, I mean 63 00:05:49,661 --> 00:05:55,727 the spectrum within which Jack Kirby operated was so broad in terms of genre and different 64 00:05:55,787 --> 00:06:00,071 types of characters. It was awesome. The man could work within any subject matter. Whether 65 00:06:00,091 --> 00:06:05,818 it was like, you know, the super patriotic Captain America. to like the dark demonic magic realm 66 00:06:05,878 --> 00:06:11,500 that Etrigan operated in to like the cosmic sci-fi arena of like the new gods or silver 67 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:15,561 surfer or something like that. There was like nothing he couldn't do. I like the medieval 68 00:06:15,601 --> 00:06:19,562 like tunic he gave him. You know, it's not often that you think of demons and think of them 69 00:06:19,602 --> 00:06:23,343 wearing like lighthearted medieval outfits, but he made it work and still made them so 70 00:06:23,363 --> 00:06:27,964 bad ass. It was very unique. You wanna talk about how unique he was in the form of a poem? 71 00:06:33,558 --> 00:06:46,272 words and poems for me to share. This is a challenge I do not like, but if you don't like it, then 72 00:06:46,432 --> 00:06:47,293 take a hike. 73 00:06:51,194 --> 00:06:59,278 Ah, Jonathan, the next freestyle artist out there. I am the worst. All right, let's go 74 00:06:59,298 --> 00:07:04,441 ahead and move on to our next honorable mention given by DC Joe, who said. I got two answers 75 00:07:04,481 --> 00:07:10,424 to this question. First answer is Darkseid, because he's just one of the most interesting 76 00:07:10,464 --> 00:07:16,927 and most powerful villain that there ever was. And the other answer is Dr. Doom. In his own 77 00:07:16,967 --> 00:07:22,970 right, he's interesting, but without Dr. Doom, there is no MF Doom. best rapper ever, R.I.P. 78 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:31,232 I mean, I think Jonathan might be the best new rapper out there now. Sweet. But yeah, great 79 00:07:31,292 --> 00:07:37,054 answer with Darkseid and Dr. Doom, respectively, probably DC and Marvel's greatest villains 80 00:07:37,134 --> 00:07:41,875 ever. It's so crazy that one guy came up with like the baddest villains for both respective 81 00:07:41,935 --> 00:07:46,296 universes, right? Yeah, they're both very different, but also, you know, they have some similarities. 82 00:07:46,677 --> 00:07:51,534 They both like to stand around with their arms behind their back a lot. They both also wear 83 00:07:51,634 --> 00:07:56,898 like tunics. Does Darkseid wear a tunic? Yeah, kinda, sorta. At least in his original design. 84 00:07:57,339 --> 00:08:01,922 I do have to say Darkseid would totally stomp on Doctor Doom. I mean, we all saw what Doctor 85 00:08:01,942 --> 00:08:07,346 Doom did to Thanos in 2015's Secret Wars event, so I don't know about that. I mean, Thanos 86 00:08:07,366 --> 00:08:12,209 is no Darkseid. Let's be real. I mean, that's true, because Thanos is better. Do we need 87 00:08:12,229 --> 00:08:17,813 to go back to the duel episode between Thanos and Darkseid? Nope. Exactly. Great answer, 88 00:08:17,833 --> 00:08:22,608 DC Joe. That does it for our honorable mentions. We want to give big shout outs to Miggy Mathagean, 89 00:08:22,888 --> 00:08:26,771 Patrick and Evan Tomkeaf for taking the time to visit our website and leave their answers 90 00:08:26,811 --> 00:08:34,016 as well. But the winner of this week's No Prize is CJ Kraft who said, CJ Kraft here and my 91 00:08:34,076 --> 00:08:39,440 favorite Jack Kirby creation has to be the ever loving blue eyed thing from Yancy Street. Whenever 92 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:44,823 it's clobbering time, he gets the job done. His battles with the Hulk are epic. His back 93 00:08:44,863 --> 00:08:49,822 and forth with Johnny Storm is some of the funniest stuff in comics. They just apparently can't 94 00:08:49,862 --> 00:08:55,025 get them right in movies. Come on, Marvel, you gotta fix that. But no other character has 95 00:08:55,085 --> 00:09:01,069 so much of Jack in him, right down to the cigar-chomping and smart mouth. So gotta be the Thing. Oh 96 00:09:01,109 --> 00:09:05,411 yeah, definitely. The Thing is such a great answer when it comes to Jack Kirby's creations. 97 00:09:05,812 --> 00:09:10,494 You're right, there was so much that Jack Kirby had in common with the character of The Thing. 98 00:09:11,015 --> 00:09:16,426 It was almost like he personified himself in comic form. And what a lovable character. so 99 00:09:16,486 --> 00:09:21,449 influential, you know, the Fantastic Four really put Marvel comics on the map in the Silver 100 00:09:21,549 --> 00:09:25,592 Age and the character like the thing had never really been done before, you know, basically 101 00:09:25,612 --> 00:09:30,115 you had this monster who was a hero, usually monsters were saved for, you know, villains 102 00:09:30,175 --> 00:09:34,338 or monster tales and the like. And really all of Jack Kirby's work was really influential, 103 00:09:34,398 --> 00:09:39,782 he created so many popular characters that you know have stood the test of time. It's remarkable 104 00:09:39,802 --> 00:09:45,810 that one man could have that amount of influence. I think he's had more influence. over the comics 105 00:09:45,850 --> 00:09:49,933 medium and the characters within than any other person. At least when it comes to Marvel and 106 00:09:49,973 --> 00:09:55,376 DC for sure. Oh absolutely, yeah. The King. King Kirby. Yeah and it's always nice to revisit 107 00:09:55,416 --> 00:09:59,198 some of these early creators that really formed the Marvel and DC universe we know and love 108 00:09:59,618 --> 00:10:05,101 as a fan base we owe so much to them. But congrats again to CJ Craft. Guys, CJ is a long-time 109 00:10:05,142 --> 00:10:10,945 listener of this show. Every year he puts out a new collection of short horror stories called 110 00:10:11,005 --> 00:10:16,517 Pages of Terror. And a day after this episode drops, October 13th, his third book, Pages 111 00:10:16,557 --> 00:10:22,042 of Terror 3, hits Amazon. And he's also compiled these first three books into a collection called 112 00:10:22,142 --> 00:10:27,986 Pages of Terror Trilogy of Fear. I myself read both of his first books. He's a magnificent 113 00:10:28,046 --> 00:10:32,150 horror writer. So if you're into that at all and you wanna support a fellow listener, go 114 00:10:32,170 --> 00:10:38,235 onto Amazon and check out Pages of Terror Trilogy of Fear or any of his Pages of Terror books. 115 00:10:38,275 --> 00:10:43,226 Yeah, I really gotta say, over these past years, CJ has been like super inspirational and how 116 00:10:43,266 --> 00:10:47,609 he's really pursuing you know his dream of becoming a writer. I think he's mentioned before like 117 00:10:47,889 --> 00:10:53,432 writers write and that's exactly what he's doing. As someone who aspires to be you know an artist, 118 00:10:53,452 --> 00:10:58,515 a writer, myself, I'm really proud of the work that CJ has done and the fact that he's putting 119 00:10:58,555 --> 00:11:03,577 them out there for all of us to read is really admirable. So congrats once again to CJ for 120 00:11:03,617 --> 00:11:08,540 releasing another book and guys definitely support your indie artists. That does it for the No 121 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:13,135 Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your Stay tuned to later on this episode when 122 00:11:13,156 --> 00:11:18,013 we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, on to the news! 123 00:11:23,822 --> 00:11:32,124 Okay, so DC's second annual virtual comic convention, the DC Fandom, is this upcoming Saturday, October 124 00:11:32,164 --> 00:11:38,266 16th. And last week, they announced the full celebrity guest list that will appear during 125 00:11:38,306 --> 00:11:43,948 the virtual panels. It's a huge list! Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of people there when 126 00:11:43,988 --> 00:11:49,189 they release the trailer for the DC Fandom event. While I did recognize some of the celebrities 127 00:11:49,209 --> 00:11:53,062 that are gonna be part of this thing... there were a lot of faces I didn't recognize. They 128 00:11:53,082 --> 00:11:57,964 were like, join me. And I'm like, I don't even know who you are. So we have the full celebrity 129 00:11:58,024 --> 00:12:03,205 guest list for the event. What I'm gonna do is run down this list of names. Jonathan, you're 130 00:12:03,225 --> 00:12:07,066 gonna tell me quickly what they're gonna be doing there. And so we'll have a good idea 131 00:12:07,266 --> 00:12:11,988 of what this event is going to consist of. Sound good? Yeah, cool, let's do it. All right, let 132 00:12:12,008 --> 00:12:17,749 me start off the list with Adeel El-Arbi. Oh, he's one of the co-directors of the HBO Max 133 00:12:17,789 --> 00:12:23,856 film Batgirl. So we're probably gonna be getting news about that. Okay, who is AJ Hudson? So 134 00:12:23,916 --> 00:12:29,759 he's a voice actor. There's this upcoming preschool series called Bat Wheels that'll be on Cartoon 135 00:12:29,799 --> 00:12:34,582 Network, and he's the voice of Robin. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, Ethan Hawke is going 136 00:12:34,622 --> 00:12:40,205 to be the voice of Batman. Ethan Hawke? Yeah. In the children's cartoon? Yeah, preschool 137 00:12:40,245 --> 00:12:45,628 series. Wow, okay, that's quite the cast. All right, what about Aldous Hodge? Well, Aldous 138 00:12:45,648 --> 00:12:51,526 Hodge is playing Hawkman in the upcoming Black Adam movie. What about Angel Manuel Soto? He's 139 00:12:51,546 --> 00:12:56,007 the director of HBO Max's upcoming Blue Beetle film. Oh, so we might get news about that, 140 00:12:56,067 --> 00:13:02,069 that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anne LeMay, who's that? She works for WB Games. She's probably 141 00:13:02,089 --> 00:13:06,210 gonna be tied to some video game. I'm not sure which one, and I'm not sure why they're calling 142 00:13:06,250 --> 00:13:10,991 her a celebrity. Next on the list is Anson Mount. I already know who that is. He was the guy 143 00:13:11,011 --> 00:13:15,553 who played Black Bolt in the Inhumans television show, and he's voicing Batman in the Injustice 144 00:13:15,933 --> 00:13:21,932 animated movie. That's right. Ava DuVernay? Ava DuVernay, she was going to do a New Gods 145 00:13:21,972 --> 00:13:26,176 film but that got scrapped. She's gonna be here because she's probably gonna be promoting the 146 00:13:26,256 --> 00:13:32,721 upcoming CW series, Naomi. Who's Bilal Fallah? He's the other co-director of the Batgirl film 147 00:13:32,761 --> 00:13:38,106 for HBO Max. Bruce Timm, we all know him. Yeah, yeah, he's a major producer of a lot of DC's 148 00:13:38,186 --> 00:13:43,831 animated content. Cam Newton is gonna be there? Is that the same Cam Newton as the quarterback 149 00:13:43,991 --> 00:13:49,455 Cam Newton? Yes, it is. And honestly- I can't figure out why he's gonna be there. I think 150 00:13:49,475 --> 00:13:53,837 he just really likes DC Comics. What a loser. I'm glad the Broncos beat him in that Super 151 00:13:53,877 --> 00:14:01,942 Bowl about a decade ago. Alright, who's Cameras Johnson? He's an actor on the Batwoman CW TV 152 00:14:01,982 --> 00:14:07,185 series. He plays Luke Fox, Lucius Fox's son. And he's supposed to be suiting up as Batwing 153 00:14:07,285 --> 00:14:12,568 in this next season. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Candice Patton? She plays Iris West on 154 00:14:12,708 --> 00:14:19,238 CW's Flash TV series. Okay, who's Chris Wood? He plays Manel on the Supergirl series. Lotta 155 00:14:19,258 --> 00:14:23,900 CW actors here. Oh, is that Manel part of the Legion of Superheroes? Yes, yes he is. There's 156 00:14:23,940 --> 00:14:28,261 actually a few Legion members that appear on the Supergirl series. Interesting. Next up 157 00:14:28,341 --> 00:14:33,082 is Christian Convery. Oh, I'm excited for this actually. He's the young actor who plays Sweet 158 00:14:33,122 --> 00:14:37,504 Tooth on the Netflix show of the same name. So hopefully we get some kind of news about 159 00:14:37,784 --> 00:14:42,265 season two of that show, because that show was freaking awesome. And who's Christina Hudson? 160 00:14:42,785 --> 00:14:47,079 She was the screenwriter on Birds of Prey. but she's also writing the upcoming Flash movie 161 00:14:47,379 --> 00:14:53,641 as well as Batgirl for HBO Max. David Harewood? He plays Hank Henshaw. Really, he plays Martian 162 00:14:53,661 --> 00:14:59,264 Manator who's pretending to be Hank Henshaw in the Supergirl series. And who's Dennis Cowan? 163 00:14:59,684 --> 00:15:04,006 He's a comic book artist. He's done quite a bit of work for the milestone characters like 164 00:15:04,126 --> 00:15:09,288 Icon and Static Shock. And who's Donald Mustard? I've never heard that name before. He is the 165 00:15:09,348 --> 00:15:15,852 chief creative officer for Epic Games. So... Maybe there might be some big DC Fortnite announcement 166 00:15:16,112 --> 00:15:20,655 during the fandom. That would be really cool. That would be cool. Who the hell is this Dwayne 167 00:15:20,715 --> 00:15:26,219 Johnson guy? Actually, that's the one name on the list that I had no idea what he was doing. 168 00:15:26,719 --> 00:15:31,603 Something about like the hierarchy of power in the DC universe. He's changing it forever 169 00:15:31,623 --> 00:15:37,247 or something. I don't know. Sounds lame. Who is Echo Kellum? Oh, he was the actor who played 170 00:15:37,287 --> 00:15:42,342 Mr. Terrific in the CW Arrow series, which is over. I don't know, maybe he'll make an appearance 171 00:15:42,362 --> 00:15:47,607 on Flash. I haven't really been keeping up with the CW shows. So. Looks like Ed Boon is gonna 172 00:15:47,627 --> 00:15:51,930 be there. Of course, he's the head of NetherRealm Games. Yeah, it's expected that he's going 173 00:15:51,970 --> 00:15:57,154 to announce Injustice 3, though I'm really hoping that he announces the video game that he's 174 00:15:57,174 --> 00:16:02,379 been talking about making on Twitter, which is DC vs. Marvel. That will break the internet 175 00:16:02,779 --> 00:16:08,824 and my mind. Elizabeth Gillies, who that is? She's gonna voice the character of Catwoman 176 00:16:09,224 --> 00:16:15,607 in the upcoming animated film Catwoman hunted. Okay, cool. What about Elizabeth Tullock? She's 177 00:16:15,647 --> 00:16:21,668 the actress who plays Lois Lane in Superman and Lois Ezra Miller. Hmm. What's he all about? 178 00:16:21,908 --> 00:16:28,070 He of course is the actor who plays the Flash in the DCEU Who's Freddy Stroma? He's gonna 179 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:33,992 be playing vigilante in the upcoming Peacemaker series and Gareth Dunnett Aloe said he's the 180 00:16:34,012 --> 00:16:40,293 writer of the upcoming Blue Beetle film Grant Gustin He's the Flash on the CW flash series 181 00:16:40,822 --> 00:16:46,503 What about Hindon Walsh? She's a voice actress, probably most notably in DC for the voice of 182 00:16:46,563 --> 00:16:52,325 Starfire in the Teen Titans Go series. And Jacob Bertrand? Most people probably know him as 183 00:16:52,585 --> 00:16:57,307 the Hawk in the Cobra Kai series, but he's gonna do one of the voices in the Batwell series 184 00:16:57,347 --> 00:17:01,828 for Cartoon Network as well. James Gunn is gonna be there? Oh, probably promoting Peacemaker, 185 00:17:01,848 --> 00:17:08,091 right? Yeah. Who's Jason Momoa? He's gonna kick your ass. He of course is Aquaman, I really 186 00:17:08,111 --> 00:17:12,934 hope we get like some kind of teaser footage for Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom. Javisha Leslie? 187 00:17:13,474 --> 00:17:18,197 She's the actress who plays Batwoman in the Batwoman series. Okay moving on to Jennifer 188 00:17:18,217 --> 00:17:23,261 Holland? That's actually James Gunn's girlfriend. She's going to be one of Peacemaker's handlers 189 00:17:23,581 --> 00:17:27,384 in the Peacemaker TV series. Oh that's right and she was also in the Suicide Squad movie. 190 00:17:27,704 --> 00:17:33,268 That's right. Okay who's Jesse Rath? He's the actor who plays Brainiac 5 in Supergirl. Another 191 00:17:33,308 --> 00:17:39,507 Legionnaire. Who the hell is this Jim Lee guy? Jim Lee of course is the publisher and CCO 192 00:17:39,607 --> 00:17:44,389 of DC Comics. Also one of the best comic book artists of our time. Yeah, for sure. He's been 193 00:17:44,429 --> 00:17:48,491 like teasing this massive artwork piece that he's been working on for like the past few 194 00:17:48,531 --> 00:17:53,013 months on his Instagram. I can't wait to see that thing fully unveiled. It's gonna be incredible. 195 00:17:53,513 --> 00:17:57,215 Oh, JJ Abrams is gonna be there. That's cool. So he's probably gonna be talking about like 196 00:17:57,255 --> 00:18:02,317 Justice League Dark. Yeah, probably like the upcoming Zatanna movie. And I think also Constantine. 197 00:18:03,137 --> 00:18:08,132 And Superman, right? Possibly. Yeah, the upcoming Superman project that's being written by Ta-Nehisi 198 00:18:08,172 --> 00:18:13,094 Coates. John Cena is gonna be there, of course promoting peacemaker Justin Hartley, I know 199 00:18:13,114 --> 00:18:17,357 that name. Isn't he the guy voicing Superman on the upcoming injustice movie? Yeah, that's 200 00:18:17,397 --> 00:18:23,000 right. Casey Walfall She's the actress that's playing Naomi in the upcoming CW show. Kaylee 201 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,382 Cuoco is gonna be there Of course, she voices Harley Quinn in that animated series and what 202 00:18:27,402 --> 00:18:33,405 about Leslie Grace? She's playing Batgirl in that movie Linda Carter. She of course played 203 00:18:33,465 --> 00:18:38,471 Wonder Woman in the old school TV series, but she most recently played Asterea in the Wonder 204 00:18:38,491 --> 00:18:44,532 Woman 1984 movie. Matt Bomer? Of course he's playing Negative Man in the Doom Patrol series, 205 00:18:44,552 --> 00:18:49,374 he also voiced the Flash in the recent Justice Society World War II movie. That's right. Matt 206 00:18:49,434 --> 00:18:54,055 Reeves, he's the director of the upcoming Batman movie. We're supposed to get a trailer for 207 00:18:54,075 --> 00:18:58,116 the Batman, hopefully we get that, that'll be cool. I think that's the thing I'm most looking 208 00:18:58,156 --> 00:19:05,214 forward to. Melissa Benoist? Is that how you pronounce it? Benoist? Yeah, it is. She's Supergirl, 209 00:19:05,254 --> 00:19:11,456 of course, in the CW series. Noah Centineo. He's gonna be playing Adam Smasher in the upcoming 210 00:19:11,536 --> 00:19:16,857 Black Adam movie. Patrick Redding. He's the creative director for Warner Bros. Games, so 211 00:19:16,917 --> 00:19:21,318 I think he'll be talking about Gotham Knights. Patty Jenkins is gonna be there, interesting. 212 00:19:21,758 --> 00:19:26,400 Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. She, of course, directed Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 1984. 213 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,881 I'm wondering if she's there to announce Wonder Woman 3. Maybe, maybe not. Pierce Brosnan. 214 00:19:33,314 --> 00:19:38,755 Holy shit. Man needs no introduction. Of course he's gonna be playing Dr. Fate in the upcoming 215 00:19:38,875 --> 00:19:44,597 Black Adam movie. That's huge. I'll be tuning into that panel for sure. Quintessa Swindell. 216 00:19:44,757 --> 00:19:48,698 The name sounds familiar. Who's that? They're the actor that's gonna be playing Cyclone in 217 00:19:48,758 --> 00:19:53,739 Black Adam. Reggie Hudlin. I already know who that guy is. He's a writer and producer and 218 00:19:53,779 --> 00:19:58,080 director. He's done work for Marvel Comics as well, but he also works for DC. Oh yeah, he's 219 00:19:58,120 --> 00:20:03,766 one of the minds behind DC's milestone media relaunch. What about Robert- Pattinson who's 220 00:20:03,806 --> 00:20:11,508 that guy? He's the goddamn Batman! What about Ron Funches? He does the voice of King Shark 221 00:20:11,788 --> 00:20:17,409 on the Harley Quinn animated series. And Scott Minville? He does the voice of Robin in Teen 222 00:20:17,449 --> 00:20:22,591 Titans Go. Scott Snyder. Is that Zack Snyder's brother? Everyone asks that I'm sure he gets 223 00:20:22,611 --> 00:20:28,232 that question all the time. He's a popular writer for DC Comics. What about Sefton Hill who's 224 00:20:28,252 --> 00:20:33,598 that guy? He's the creative director and co-founder of Rocksteady Games. He'll be Suicide Squad 225 00:20:33,618 --> 00:20:38,440 killed the Justice League, most likely. Steve Aggey? He's gonna be in the upcoming Peacemaker 226 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:44,323 series. He was also in the Suicide Squad and did the mocap work for King Shark. Tara Strong? 227 00:20:44,643 --> 00:20:49,485 She is the voice of Raven in Teen Titans Go. And also has done a lot of Harley Quinn work 228 00:20:49,525 --> 00:20:54,047 as well. Yeah, yep. All right, next is Todd McFarlane. That's pretty cool. Yeah, he's gonna 229 00:20:54,067 --> 00:20:59,269 be there probably to talk about the DC toy line that he's making. They're really cool toy sculpts. 230 00:20:59,694 --> 00:21:03,797 Tyler Hocklin is going to be there. Of course, he's the actor that plays Superman in the Superman 231 00:21:03,817 --> 00:21:08,601 and Lois television show. That's right. Shiloh Mardi Dwenya. He's the actor who's going to 232 00:21:08,621 --> 00:21:12,885 be playing Blue Beetle in the upcoming movie. He's also known for his work on Cobra Kai. 233 00:21:13,425 --> 00:21:17,409 Oh, look at that. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II is also going to be there. Yeah, he's the actor who 234 00:21:17,449 --> 00:21:22,713 played Black Manta in the first Aquaman movie. I imagine he's going to be there for the sequel, 235 00:21:23,133 --> 00:21:28,486 but he was also Dr. Manhattan in the Watchmen television series for HBO Max. so you never 236 00:21:28,506 --> 00:21:33,008 know what else he may be there for. Zachary Levi is gonna be there. Of course, yep, he's 237 00:21:33,048 --> 00:21:38,050 the actor who plays Shazam in those movies. And last but not least, Zoe Kravitz, who of 238 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:43,852 course is playing Catwoman in the upcoming The Batman movie. Right. So a few awesome names 239 00:21:43,892 --> 00:21:48,334 there. I'm probably only gonna turn into the fandom for a few panels here and there, but 240 00:21:48,374 --> 00:21:52,716 largely, like most Marvel fans, I'll be skipping the fandom. Good, we don't even want you there, 241 00:21:52,816 --> 00:22:01,008 Normie. Ha ha ha. This is for DC fans. This list is missing notably I think like Jeff Johns 242 00:22:01,188 --> 00:22:06,012 or anyone else involved in the Green Lantern Corps series for HBO Max. I'm actually really 243 00:22:06,052 --> 00:22:09,694 surprised not to see anyone's name because that's like one of the big projects that I'm really 244 00:22:09,714 --> 00:22:14,057 looking forward to hearing more about. Yeah, where's like Michael Keaton? Yeah, yeah, there's 245 00:22:14,097 --> 00:22:18,180 no Michael Keaton and there's no Sasha Kaia either, which is kind of disappointing. And 246 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,804 no Andy Muschietti who's directing The Flash. What's up with that? I was wondering the same 247 00:22:22,844 --> 00:22:27,186 thing. Apparently the only one that's going to be repping The Flash is gonna be Ezra Miller 248 00:22:27,267 --> 00:22:31,969 during the fandom. Which is kinda disappointing. Overall, does this list make you more or less 249 00:22:32,009 --> 00:22:36,972 excited for the fandom? I mean, I'm really excited. This list, I wouldn't say it made me more excited. 250 00:22:37,192 --> 00:22:41,415 It's kind of pretty much what I was expecting. But yeah, if we would've seen some Henry Cavill 251 00:22:41,475 --> 00:22:45,497 on there or some Michael Keaton, I would've been much more excited. Well, cool, we'll see 252 00:22:45,517 --> 00:22:50,200 how it all goes down this Saturday, October 16th. How do you visit the DC Fandom event? 253 00:22:50,540 --> 00:22:55,804 All you have to do is go to dcfandom.com. they're going to be streaming the entire virtual convention 254 00:22:55,985 --> 00:23:00,030 for like the whole day. So there's plenty of time to check it out. All in all, though, there's 255 00:23:00,050 --> 00:23:03,934 going to be a ton of DC projects that they're going to be talking about. I'm personally most 256 00:23:03,954 --> 00:23:08,780 looking forward to any project that involves the DCEU. And that brings us to our question 257 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:09,181 of the week. 258 00:23:13,686 --> 00:23:20,391 What is your favorite DCEU film so far and why? There's been 10 of them now. We wanna know 259 00:23:20,411 --> 00:23:25,596 your favorite. Yeah, The Joker is not one of them. No, no, it's not. Record your answer 260 00:23:25,616 --> 00:23:29,839 at dynamicduel.com by clicking the red microphone button in the bottom right-hand corner, which 261 00:23:29,859 --> 00:23:34,143 will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message can be up to 30 seconds long, and don't 262 00:23:34,163 --> 00:23:37,946 forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite 263 00:23:37,986 --> 00:23:42,482 answer and draw that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to social media. be sure 264 00:23:42,502 --> 00:23:49,946 to answer before October 16th. Which again is the day of the fandom. Don't miss it. Bruce 265 00:23:49,966 --> 00:23:54,849 Wayne may appear to be a wealthy playboy, but beneath his facade his true identity is that 266 00:23:54,889 --> 00:24:00,872 of the Batman, waging an endless war against crime. 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Go to hbomax.com slash 274 00:24:44,287 --> 00:24:50,337 Batman Audio Adventures for more and stream Batman the Audio Adventures only on HBO Max. 275 00:24:52,846 --> 00:24:57,213 Thanks again to HBO Max for sponsoring this episode. But now let's get into the main event 276 00:24:57,394 --> 00:25:03,464 where we pit the Batman villain, Man-Bat, against the Spider-Man villain, Morbius, the living 277 00:25:03,504 --> 00:25:04,025 vampire. 278 00:25:19,022 --> 00:25:26,605 Alright, Manbat vs Morbius. As we said earlier, Manbat is basically Manbear Pig, but minus 279 00:25:26,645 --> 00:25:31,787 the bear pig and adding a bat. So he's kind of lame, but Morbius on the other hand is a 280 00:25:31,847 --> 00:25:38,230 legit vampire. Just in time for Halloween, right off the back of our Venom Let There Be Carnage 281 00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:43,592 review. Morbius is of course a Spider-Man villain who is also getting his own live action film 282 00:25:43,632 --> 00:25:48,462 this upcoming January starring Jared Lotto as the character. And that film was supposed to 283 00:25:48,502 --> 00:25:52,465 come out already. We've been planning this episode for a while, and we always kind of figured 284 00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:57,769 that we would be pitting Man-Bat against Morbius considering both characters were scientists 285 00:25:57,989 --> 00:26:04,094 who became supervillains by experimenting with bats. Yeah, I don't know too much about Man-Bat. 286 00:26:04,414 --> 00:26:09,158 Is Man-Bat like vampiric at all, or is he just like a giant fucking bat? He's like a giant 287 00:26:09,198 --> 00:26:15,850 motherfucking bat. What? Well, that is something to look out for. If you've never listened to 288 00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:19,934 one of our duel episodes before, the way we'll determine a winner between Manbat and Morbius 289 00:26:19,954 --> 00:26:25,299 is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using their statistics. Now, a Monte Carlo simulation 290 00:26:25,439 --> 00:26:30,864 is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In our case, it randomizes 291 00:26:30,904 --> 00:26:35,428 statistics along a normal distribution, which is a bell curve, as a way to simulate the many 292 00:26:35,448 --> 00:26:40,212 variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters we use are based on the official 293 00:26:40,252 --> 00:26:45,829 Marvel power grid. and we use that criteria to extrapolate the DC's character stats. We've 294 00:26:45,849 --> 00:26:50,173 included some additional stat categories of our own, such as range, damage, potential, 295 00:26:50,213 --> 00:26:56,177 versatility, and perception, in order to create a more complete and robust simulation. Running 296 00:26:56,217 --> 00:27:00,401 these 1000 simulations gives us a percentage of wins for each character, and we declare 297 00:27:00,421 --> 00:27:04,304 the one with the higher percentage to be the ultimate victor, considering that they're more 298 00:27:04,344 --> 00:27:09,600 likely to win any given battle. No character ever wins 100% of the time. Comics have shown 299 00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:14,104 that there's always a way for Batman to defeat Superman. We feel our method falls in line 300 00:27:14,124 --> 00:27:17,947 with the precedents that have been established in the comic book stories. And we used this 301 00:27:18,007 --> 00:27:22,491 method because it was the least subjective, most unbiased way to determine who would win. 302 00:27:22,791 --> 00:27:26,655 Of course, we were both heavily biased toward our respective allegiances, and instead of 303 00:27:26,695 --> 00:27:31,939 debating these matches forever, we just let the math decide for us. So there's no fan votes 304 00:27:31,979 --> 00:27:36,983 here, and no relying on just feats. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break 305 00:27:37,003 --> 00:27:41,828 down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine 306 00:27:42,048 --> 00:27:47,132 one of the 1000 simulations we run would play out beat for beat. And I think it's my turn 307 00:27:47,152 --> 00:27:50,215 to break down the Marvel character's history first, so let me go ahead and tell you guys 308 00:27:50,295 --> 00:27:56,380 all about Morbius, the living vampire. Michael Morbius was born in Greece to a single mother 309 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,125 and grew up with a rare blood disorder similar to hemophilia. Fearful of her son getting injured, 310 00:28:02,582 --> 00:28:07,346 Michael's mom kept him indoors for most of his childhood, often bringing him books to read 311 00:28:07,406 --> 00:28:12,451 from the bookstore where she worked. Michael became an intellectually gifted child, though 312 00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:17,556 he occasionally sneaked out of the house to play with his best friend, Emil Nicos. During 313 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:23,422 one such outing, he fell and got injured, causing both boys to get into trouble and vow to one 314 00:28:23,462 --> 00:28:28,979 day cure Michael's condition. Michael and Emil grew up... and studied science together at 315 00:28:28,999 --> 00:28:34,403 their university, specializing in human and animal biology. They won a Nobel Prize for 316 00:28:34,423 --> 00:28:39,928 their research on using vampire bat blood to cure several other blood disorders, convincing 317 00:28:39,988 --> 00:28:45,612 Michael that was the key to fixing his own condition. Michael became engaged to a fellow scientist 318 00:28:45,712 --> 00:28:51,477 named Martin Bancroft, though his body was quickly weakening. Debilitated to the point where he 319 00:28:51,517 --> 00:28:56,541 could barely lift a coffee mug, Michael rushed an experiment on himself using the vampire 320 00:28:56,561 --> 00:29:02,994 bat blood. and electroshock therapy. The process transformed his body. His skin turned chalk 321 00:29:03,014 --> 00:29:08,878 white, his canine teeth protruded fangs, his nose flattened like a bat's, and his eyes turned 322 00:29:08,938 --> 00:29:14,803 blood red. Michael's blood disorder had mutated into a disease of pseudo vampirism, and he 323 00:29:14,843 --> 00:29:19,827 immediately developed an intense thirst for human blood. He lashed out and bit his lab 324 00:29:19,847 --> 00:29:25,527 partner and friend, Emil, killing him and drinking his blood. which revitalized Michael to a normal 325 00:29:25,567 --> 00:29:30,550 appearance and healthy physicality that he had never known. Restored to his normal mental 326 00:29:30,610 --> 00:29:35,314 state, Michael was shocked to see that he had murdered his childhood friend. Saddened and 327 00:29:35,374 --> 00:29:40,597 horrified by what he had become, and to protect his fiancee, Martine, he threw himself into 328 00:29:40,617 --> 00:29:45,440 the Mediterranean Sea, though a fishing vessel that was traveling toward New York City soon 329 00:29:45,481 --> 00:29:50,964 picked him up. By the time the boat reached the US, all the crewmen were dead, as Michael 330 00:29:51,004 --> 00:29:56,083 feasted on them during the voyage. He washed up on the South Hampton shore where Spider-Man 331 00:29:56,143 --> 00:30:01,165 and the Lizard were at the time. Thirsty, Michael attacked the pair, but was overpowered and 332 00:30:01,205 --> 00:30:05,927 had to flee back into the night. The Lizard was able to use a sample of Michael's blood 333 00:30:06,027 --> 00:30:12,010 to create a serum that could temporarily transform himself back into his human form and cure Spider-Man, 334 00:30:12,050 --> 00:30:17,053 who had at that point mutated into having six arms. You can learn more about Spider-Man in 335 00:30:17,093 --> 00:30:21,666 our Blue Beetle vs Spider-Man dual episode. Michael began reluctantly feeding off of New 336 00:30:21,707 --> 00:30:27,869 Yorkers, occasionally turning random victims into pseudo-vampires themselves. He tried abstaining 337 00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:33,052 from drinking blood, but the thirst would take over when given enough time. Distraught, he 338 00:30:33,092 --> 00:30:37,854 tried to commit suicide, though his new healing factor would not let him die. With nowhere 339 00:30:37,874 --> 00:30:43,337 to turn, Michael reached out to his former fiancée, Martine, who collaborated with him from overseas 340 00:30:43,637 --> 00:30:48,683 in developing an antidote. They created a serum derived from his blood that would cure his 341 00:30:48,743 --> 00:30:54,165 turned victims of their vampirism, though it unfortunately did not work on himself. He declared 342 00:30:54,205 --> 00:30:58,627 that if he must drink blood in his search for a cure, then it should be the blood of criminals. 343 00:30:59,267 --> 00:31:03,709 In an attempt to become an anti-hero, Michael discovered a woman named Barbara Clark, who 344 00:31:03,729 --> 00:31:08,631 was being pursued by a demon named Nilrack. He went through great lengths to protect the 345 00:31:08,651 --> 00:31:13,333 woman from the monster, though afterward, he killed Barbara and drank her blood to satisfy 346 00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:19,301 his thirst. feeling immense guilt at his lack of control. Eventually, Blade the Vampire Hunter, 347 00:31:19,421 --> 00:31:23,443 whom you can learn more about in our Asriel vs Blade episode, came across Michael and tried 348 00:31:23,463 --> 00:31:28,406 to kill him. Once Blade learned about Morbius' plight, however, and his anti-hero status, 349 00:31:28,806 --> 00:31:34,029 the two teamed up to defeat an otherworldly sorcerer named Daimond. Michael also met and 350 00:31:34,069 --> 00:31:39,192 tried to stop another sympathetic monster known as the Werewolf by Night, real name Jack Russell, 351 00:31:39,572 --> 00:31:44,703 and the two became reluctant rivals. Eventually, they both teamed up with Ghost Rider and Man-Thing 352 00:31:45,083 --> 00:31:49,885 and formed the first incarnation of the Legion of Monsters superhero team, though they soon 353 00:31:49,925 --> 00:31:55,047 disbanded after accidentally killing a benevolent entity called the Starseed. Believing that 354 00:31:55,087 --> 00:31:59,989 perhaps Spider-Man's radioactive blood held the key to his antidote, Michael attacked him 355 00:32:00,109 --> 00:32:05,491 and managed to get his fangs in the hero's neck. At that moment, he was hit by a bolt of lightning, 356 00:32:05,791 --> 00:32:12,558 which somehow resulted in Michael being cured of his pseudo-vampirism. Authorities charged 357 00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:17,879 him for his crimes as a vampire, though She-Hulk defended him in court claiming he was not responsible 358 00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:23,741 for his actions. After living life as a normal human again for a few years, Michael was captured 359 00:32:23,841 --> 00:32:29,163 and reverted back to his pseudo-vampire condition by the Voodoo Queen. He teamed up with Dr. 360 00:32:29,203 --> 00:32:33,404 Strange and Brother Voodoo to stop the Voodoo Queen's attempt to bring back vampires after 361 00:32:33,444 --> 00:32:38,190 Dr. Strange had eradicated Dracula, but the group was unsuccessful. You can learn more 362 00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:43,234 about Doctor Strange in our Doctor Fate vs Doctor Strange episode. Morbius then formed a team 363 00:32:43,274 --> 00:32:48,178 of supernatural heroes with his former allies called the Midnight Sons and together they 364 00:32:48,218 --> 00:32:53,322 stopped Lilith, the mother of demons, and her spawn, the Lilin, from plunging the earth into 365 00:32:53,402 --> 00:32:59,346 eternal darkness. During the fight against Lilith, Michael's ex-fiancee, Martine, was killed and 366 00:32:59,386 --> 00:33:05,090 turned into a vampire herself, bringing him more torment. Morbius put his mind to work 367 00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:09,293 trying to find a cure for a zombie virus that had entered Marvel's dimension through the 368 00:33:09,333 --> 00:33:14,956 nexus of all realities in Manthing Swamp. Together with the Midnight Suns, he helped contain a 369 00:33:14,996 --> 00:33:19,638 zombie outbreak, and he later teamed up with the Lizard to try and permanently cure their 370 00:33:19,678 --> 00:33:24,621 conditions together at Horizon Labs, though Michael inadvertently attacked the other scientists 371 00:33:24,721 --> 00:33:29,924 and was sent to the Rapt Prison before he could finish his work. Recently, Michael was seen 372 00:33:29,984 --> 00:33:34,607 back in Europe, where a group of vampires captured him and and mixed his blood with their own, 373 00:33:34,987 --> 00:33:41,071 creating a new breed of monsters. With Domino's help, Michael defeated the new vampires and 374 00:33:41,111 --> 00:33:47,196 continued his journey across the earth in search for a cure. Powers-wise, Morbius is a pseudo-vampire 375 00:33:47,276 --> 00:33:52,019 in that he has all the abilities of vampires but none of their traditional weaknesses, except 376 00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:57,503 for the thirst and a minor sensitivity to direct sunlight. These abilities include superhuman 377 00:33:57,543 --> 00:34:03,884 strength, being able to lift one ton, superhuman speed, especially in short bursts, night vision 378 00:34:03,944 --> 00:34:10,129 and a sensitivity to the smell of blood, a regenerative healing factor, sharp fangs and claws, the 379 00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:16,054 ability to glide almost endlessly, he can mesmerize people through prolonged eye contact with the 380 00:34:16,094 --> 00:34:21,138 duration of his influence depending on his victim's willpower, he can occasionally create other 381 00:34:21,238 --> 00:34:27,904 pseudo-vampires, and he doesn't age being effectively immortal. Morbius is also an incredibly gifted 382 00:34:27,984 --> 00:34:34,473 biochemist and Nobel Prize winner. Silver, garlic, religious relics, stakes through the heart, 383 00:34:34,833 --> 00:34:39,757 all of that have no effect on him. His only weakness being the fact that he needs human 384 00:34:39,817 --> 00:34:44,321 blood in order to maintain his strength. So he can't turn into like a bunch of bats or 385 00:34:44,341 --> 00:34:49,065 anything like that? No. He can't like teleport through shadows? No, I guess he doesn't have 386 00:34:49,305 --> 00:34:54,689 all of their powers. He just has most of their powers. Okay, he's more like man bat than I 387 00:34:54,729 --> 00:34:59,293 realized. For some reason I thought Morbius was a lot stronger than you know the one ton 388 00:34:59,353 --> 00:35:03,447 lifting strength. But I'm glad he's not. This should be a good match, I think. Let me get 389 00:35:03,467 --> 00:35:09,970 into the history of Manbat. When Dr. Robert Kirkland Langstrom, aka Kirk, was a young boy, 390 00:35:10,350 --> 00:35:15,793 he made national headlines as a missing child as he became trapped within a deep underground 391 00:35:15,853 --> 00:35:22,276 cavern for six weeks. He was eventually rescued and began frightening other children, including 392 00:35:22,396 --> 00:35:28,007 a six-year-old Bruce Wayne, with stories of the half-man... half-bat creatures he believed 393 00:35:28,047 --> 00:35:33,191 he had encountered in the cavern during his time there. Kirk maintained an obsession with 394 00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:39,357 bats as the years went on, and he attended Gotham University to become a zoologist specializing 395 00:35:39,657 --> 00:35:45,682 in chiropterology, or the study of bats. It was during his university years that he met 396 00:35:45,782 --> 00:35:51,947 and dated the chemist Francine Lee, with whom he shared his ideas of how his bat studies 397 00:35:52,088 --> 00:35:58,343 could pioneer medical breakthroughs. After obtaining his doctorate, Kirk became a zoologist and 398 00:35:58,383 --> 00:36:03,665 nocturnal mammals expert employed at the Gotham Natural History Museum and he and Francine 399 00:36:03,705 --> 00:36:10,308 became engaged. After learning that he was slowly becoming deaf, Kirk developed a serum derived 400 00:36:10,368 --> 00:36:16,411 from bat gland extracts within his museum basement lab that could benefit blind or deaf people 401 00:36:16,651 --> 00:36:23,613 with enhanced hearing, granting them echolocation like a bat. Kirk tested his formula on himself. 402 00:36:24,086 --> 00:36:30,851 which had the unintended consequences of mutating him into a monstrous half-man half-bat hybrid, 403 00:36:31,292 --> 00:36:38,818 a man-bat with large leathery wings and razor-sharp claws. Terrified by what he had done and overwhelmed 404 00:36:38,858 --> 00:36:44,884 by his enhanced senses, Kirk soon became aware that criminals had broken into the museum above 405 00:36:44,924 --> 00:36:50,088 him. They were members of the Blackout Gang, a stealthy group that was currently on the 406 00:36:50,148 --> 00:36:55,880 run from Batman. who you can learn more about in our Batman vs. Moon Knight episode. Overcome 407 00:36:55,900 --> 00:37:02,045 by his animal instincts, Kirk attacked the gang alongside Batman, who assumed Kirk was a new 408 00:37:02,085 --> 00:37:08,189 fellow crime fighter. Kirk fled immediately after, but ran into Batman multiple times over 409 00:37:08,229 --> 00:37:14,153 the coming days as Kirk attempted to steal chemicals from around the city, desperate to find a cure 410 00:37:14,253 --> 00:37:16,094 before his animal mind took over. 411 00:37:21,446 --> 00:37:26,208 sleeping harmlessly during the day and only going out at night to wreak havoc throughout 412 00:37:26,248 --> 00:37:31,710 the city. That's hilarious. Yeah, they kind of like were roommates for a while. Batman, 413 00:37:31,830 --> 00:37:37,212 who by this time had deduced that the creature was Dr. Kirk Langstrom, attempted to work on 414 00:37:37,252 --> 00:37:43,095 an antidote and enlisted the help of Kirk's fiance, Francine. Though they were successful, 415 00:37:43,475 --> 00:37:49,477 Manbette rejected the antidote, and in an effort to prove her love, Francine took the Manbette 416 00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:56,817 serum. transforming into She-Bat. These names, man. Man-Bat followed the two bat creatures 417 00:37:56,837 --> 00:38:02,440 to Gotham Cathedral, where he forced them both to take the antidote. Grateful to be human 418 00:38:02,521 --> 00:38:09,264 once again, Kirk and Francine got married soon after, and Batman was Kirk's best man. Batman 419 00:38:09,364 --> 00:38:15,488 in his Batman costume? Yes. Yep. Interesting. Okay. The antidote, however, was revealed to 420 00:38:15,508 --> 00:38:21,751 be impermanent, as days after his wedding, Kirk transformed back into Man-Bat, and with his 421 00:38:21,891 --> 00:38:27,554 animal mind attempting to take control, he created a more potent formula that would transform 422 00:38:27,594 --> 00:38:33,076 him into Man-Bat permanently. Batman stopped him from taking it, however, and administered 423 00:38:33,096 --> 00:38:39,399 the antidote once again. Months later, Francine reverted back to She-Bat, and Kirk helped Batman 424 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:45,234 track her down and administer the antidote to her. Eventually, Kirk was able to develop a 425 00:38:45,354 --> 00:38:50,637 new formula that would allow him and his wife to keep their human minds whenever they transformed. 426 00:38:51,117 --> 00:38:57,441 Kirk became a crime fighter and ally to Batman, helping him as Man-Bat take down villains such 427 00:38:57,521 --> 00:39:04,525 as the Getaway Genius and Baron Time. The Langströms later moved to Chicago to get away from Gotham 428 00:39:04,565 --> 00:39:10,188 City's criminal element, only to encounter and defeat the likes of the Ten-Eyed Man and Dr. 429 00:39:10,248 --> 00:39:15,842 Thanatogenos before moving to New York City. While there, Kirk teamed up with Robin and 430 00:39:15,902 --> 00:39:20,884 Batgirl in order to stop a villain named the Outsider who was attempting to kill members 431 00:39:20,964 --> 00:39:26,766 of the Bat family. The Langstrums eventually became pregnant, and Kirk became a bounty hunter 432 00:39:26,806 --> 00:39:32,407 of sorts, capturing criminals in order to collect the reward money for his growing family. As 433 00:39:32,467 --> 00:39:37,169 Francine went into labor, Kirk teamed up with Etrigan the Demon, who you can learn more about 434 00:39:37,229 --> 00:39:42,519 in our Etrigan vs. Ghost Rider episode. to stop the sorceress Morgan Le Fay from transforming 435 00:39:42,659 --> 00:39:48,221 all of the hospital's babies into demons. Francine gave birth to a healthy baby girl, whom they 436 00:39:48,261 --> 00:39:54,364 named Rebecca. Now with a child to think of, Kirk retired as madbat and began working in 437 00:39:54,404 --> 00:39:59,906 construction to support his family. News reports of a bat creature terrorizing New York City, 438 00:39:59,926 --> 00:40:04,928 however, led him to question whether or not he really had control over his transformations 439 00:40:04,948 --> 00:40:10,950 while he slept. He later discovered It was his wife seeking freedoms from the new responsibilities 440 00:40:10,990 --> 00:40:16,352 of motherhood. When the Langstroms realized Rebecca suffered from acute hearing, Man-Bat 441 00:40:16,412 --> 00:40:22,193 attempted to steal chemicals once again to develop a cure. Batman stopped him, however, and it 442 00:40:22,213 --> 00:40:27,935 was Superman who later helped Kirk find a cure for his daughter. A short time after the Langstroms 443 00:40:28,015 --> 00:40:33,517 moved back to Gotham City, Kirk accidentally made a miscalculation in the formula he and 444 00:40:33,557 --> 00:40:38,590 his wife used to keep their human minds when they transformed. and his animal mind took 445 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:44,554 over completely. He secretly returned to the Batcave, leading Batman and Alfred to wonder 446 00:40:44,634 --> 00:40:50,258 if the Batcave was haunted. Batman eventually found Man-Bat and attempted to use the antidote, 447 00:40:50,598 --> 00:40:55,661 but Kirk's mind was too far gone and it didn't work. It wasn't until Man-Bat saw his daughter 448 00:40:55,701 --> 00:41:01,405 Rebecca that Kirk's mind was reawakened and he was able to take control once again. Although 449 00:41:01,445 --> 00:41:07,447 after that, Kirk was forced to take the antidote regularly to limit his now more intense transformations. 450 00:41:07,907 --> 00:41:13,188 After getting his job back at the Gotham Natural History Museum, the long hours caused Kirk 451 00:41:13,248 --> 00:41:19,190 to forget to take his antidote, and he transformed into an uncontrollable man-bat once again, 452 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:24,872 kidnapping Jason Todd in an attempt to transform him into a bat hybrid before being stopped 453 00:41:24,912 --> 00:41:30,793 by the combined effort of Batman, Francine, and Rebecca. The Langströms later had a son, 454 00:41:31,133 --> 00:41:37,311 Eren. who was born with a deadly illness due to Kirk's and Francine's altered DNA. Francine 455 00:41:37,331 --> 00:41:44,293 was forced to inject Eren with the Man-Bat serum, transforming him into a baby-bat hybrid permanently 456 00:41:44,613 --> 00:41:49,375 in order to save his life. Talia Al Ghul, who you can learn more about in our Daughters of 457 00:41:49,395 --> 00:41:55,216 the Demon vs. Daughters of the Dragon dual episode, later kidnapped the Langstrom family and threatened 458 00:41:55,236 --> 00:42:00,758 to kill them if they didn't give her the Man-Bat formula, which they did, in which Talia used 459 00:42:00,798 --> 00:42:07,160 to create an army of bat-hybrid assassins known as the Manbat Commandos. Later, while Francine 460 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:12,481 worked as a member of the Outsiders, serving as their scientific advisor, Kirk realized 461 00:42:12,521 --> 00:42:18,563 he was able to control his Manbat transformations at will. During the Blackest Night storyline, 462 00:42:18,903 --> 00:42:24,545 Francine discovered a cure for her and her husband's transformations, while also discovering that 463 00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:29,952 if Kirk transformed one more time, he would no longer be able to turn back into a human. 464 00:42:30,432 --> 00:42:36,538 Just as Kirk was about to take the cure, a battle between Black Lantern Solomon Grundy and Bizarro 465 00:42:36,778 --> 00:42:42,703 injured Francine, and Kirk was forced to transform one final time in order to protect and save 466 00:42:42,743 --> 00:42:49,569 his wife. In post-Flashpoint continuity, the Manbat Serum originated as a lab-created airborne 467 00:42:49,649 --> 00:42:56,306 virus that plagued Gotham City before its accidental creator, Dr. Kirk Langstrom, was able to derive 468 00:42:56,366 --> 00:43:02,668 an anti-virus by transforming himself into a bat hybrid, once again, the Manbat. He took 469 00:43:02,708 --> 00:43:08,009 a villainous turn for a while, allying himself with Scarecrow during the Arkham Wars and serving 470 00:43:08,049 --> 00:43:13,211 as a member of the Crime Syndicate before joining an anti-terrorism task force for the supernatural 471 00:43:13,291 --> 00:43:18,272 organization, Shade, which you can learn more about in our Frankenstein vs. Bloodstone episode. 472 00:43:18,712 --> 00:43:23,702 He was later a member of Woodrow Man's Justice League Dark Team, during which time he became 473 00:43:23,742 --> 00:43:30,646 an expert on the science of magic. Powers-wise, Manbat possesses flight thanks to his wings, 474 00:43:31,086 --> 00:43:37,650 as well as enhanced physicality, including superhuman strength and agility. He has extremely sensitive 475 00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:43,433 hearing that allows for echolocation, and he can emit sonic blasts with his voice, capable 476 00:43:43,473 --> 00:43:49,677 of stunning his victims. He also has razor-sharp claws on his hands and feet. He has a brilliant 477 00:43:49,717 --> 00:43:54,688 scientific mind, Though the longer he's in his Man-Bat form, the harder it is for him to fight 478 00:43:54,708 --> 00:44:00,971 back against Man-Bat's pure, instinctual, and animalistic mind. He can communicate with bats, 479 00:44:01,371 --> 00:44:06,654 and has a sensitivity to bright lights in his Man-Bat form. That's Man-Bat. It's interesting, 480 00:44:06,694 --> 00:44:10,797 like, this Batman villain is not really crazy, like, he's never been to Arkham Asylum or anything, 481 00:44:10,837 --> 00:44:16,280 so he seems quite different from the standard Batman rogues. He's kinda like Morbius, where 482 00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:21,474 he's basically more of a good guy who gets into trouble. Yeah, he's a lot like Morbius except 483 00:44:21,874 --> 00:44:27,656 which one do you think came first? Obviously Morbius. He came out in 1971. Oh Man-bat has 484 00:44:27,676 --> 00:44:33,257 him beat by one year. He came out in 1970. What a rip-off. But once again But Marvel did it 485 00:44:33,317 --> 00:44:38,199 better because Morbius is a much cooler character who's actually getting his own film Actually 486 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:44,100 Man-bat was going to be the villain of the Batman and Robin sequel But that never happened as 487 00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:48,141 long as Joel Schumacher didn't direct it. I'd be down to see that I think he was gonna direct 488 00:44:48,161 --> 00:44:53,121 it actually. Eww Nah, that would be no good. He would have had like nipples, like bright 489 00:44:53,161 --> 00:44:59,546 pink areolas, I think. So these characters are like so similar then. Although you know what's 490 00:44:59,566 --> 00:45:04,110 interesting is that Morbius, although he was essentially turned into like a bat vampire 491 00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:09,535 creature, he doesn't have echolocation like Manbat does. And that's why he's going to die. 492 00:45:09,555 --> 00:45:13,619 Well, let's find out. Now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's 493 00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:19,302 speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, 494 00:45:19,582 --> 00:45:23,924 not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. We don't set 495 00:45:23,964 --> 00:45:27,986 any rules for this match other than the characters don't know anything about each other going 496 00:45:28,126 --> 00:45:33,108 in, except that the other character is a threat that needs to be put down. And we say that 497 00:45:33,128 --> 00:45:38,510 they start off about 50 meters apart in an environment that has no bearing on the match itself because 498 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:42,852 we don't take stats for the environment. Plus certain characters have advantages in some 499 00:45:42,892 --> 00:45:47,014 environments over others, and we want these characters to win on their own merit. So let's 500 00:45:47,034 --> 00:45:52,176 get into it. Morbius and Manbat meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm gonna say 501 00:45:52,196 --> 00:45:57,518 that Manbat does just because he's a little bit more animalistic and wild. So he's gonna 502 00:45:57,538 --> 00:46:04,521 start off by soaring into the air and send out the shriek that stuns Morbius. So Manbat's 503 00:46:04,561 --> 00:46:09,423 shriek is capable of stunning people? Yes. Yeah, it can also like shatter windows and stuff. 504 00:46:09,603 --> 00:46:14,365 It's pretty powerful. Well, Morbius would be particularly susceptible to that because he 505 00:46:14,445 --> 00:46:20,419 does have enhanced hearing. Exactly. Okay, so Morbius, you know, he's like in pain, he's 506 00:46:20,459 --> 00:46:25,922 stunned, and Manbat, he's gonna use this opening to just like dive bomb him, right? And he's 507 00:46:25,962 --> 00:46:31,785 gonna slash Morbius' torso, just leaving these deep bloody gashes before taking off back into 508 00:46:31,825 --> 00:46:36,167 the air. That was a good opening, Salvo. And Morbius is definitely gonna be feeling the 509 00:46:36,207 --> 00:46:41,049 attack, both audio and physical, but you know, he's gonna be able to heal those slash wounds. 510 00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:48,055 and he leaps up into the air at Manbat right at him and digs his own sharp claws into Manbat's 511 00:46:48,095 --> 00:46:52,999 chest and holds on tight and reaches up and just sinks his teeth into the creature's neck. 512 00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:58,544 Wait, he's gonna bite his neck as they're flying through the air? Yeah. Except that Manbat reacted 513 00:46:58,584 --> 00:47:03,789 to Morbius's claw attack with a barrel roll as he's flying through the air, right? So that's 514 00:47:03,809 --> 00:47:10,214 gonna fling Morbius off of him towards the ground before Manbat could get bit in the neck. Do 515 00:47:10,254 --> 00:47:16,057 a barrel roll! Exactly. Except Morbius isn't gonna hit the ground, he can glide. So he's 516 00:47:16,097 --> 00:47:22,261 just gonna glide away from Manbat and just kinda like disappear into the shadows. Shadows? What 517 00:47:22,301 --> 00:47:26,763 shadows? Well wherever there's light, there's shadows. And wherever there's not light, there's, 518 00:47:27,104 --> 00:47:33,547 you know, also shadows. Okay? I mean, but you can't hide from Manbat in the shadows though. 519 00:47:33,767 --> 00:47:40,239 He has echolocation. So right when Morbius thinks he's safe- Manbat's just gonna silently swoop 520 00:47:40,379 --> 00:47:45,523 in and just lift Morbius back into the air by his hair. That long ass hair that's just easy 521 00:47:45,563 --> 00:47:51,868 to grab. But Morbius is smart, okay? So, when he realizes that Manbat is able to detect where 522 00:47:51,908 --> 00:47:57,352 he is through echolocation, which Morbius would know because he'd be able to hear the echolocation 523 00:47:57,392 --> 00:48:02,615 scream, and also he would know where Manbat is at all times now that Manbat's bleeding 524 00:48:02,756 --> 00:48:07,418 because he could smell his blood. So, when Manbat- thinks he's getting the drop on Morbius by 525 00:48:07,498 --> 00:48:12,800 swooping in to grab him by the hair. Morbius counters by dashing to the side and slashing 526 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,681 through one of Manbat's wings and just fricking turning it into shreds. No, that's right. Manbat's 527 00:48:18,701 --> 00:48:23,463 grounded. All right. So Manbat, he's probably like screeching in pain. And honestly, that 528 00:48:23,503 --> 00:48:29,884 attack probably like made Dr. Langstrom lose control over the animal mind within Manbat. 529 00:48:30,185 --> 00:48:36,326 So now it's no more Mr. Nice Manbat. All right. He's gonna scurry across the ground and just 530 00:48:36,506 --> 00:48:41,448 lunge at Morbius, just like grabbing his jugular in his jaws and just biting down really hard 531 00:48:41,488 --> 00:48:47,489 going for the kill. Holy shit. Except as Manbat pounces on Morbius, uh, Morbius is gonna throw 532 00:48:47,509 --> 00:48:52,651 up his arms in- in self-defense, and Manbat is only just gonna bite into his forearm instead 533 00:48:52,691 --> 00:48:59,333 of Morbius' neck. And with Manbat's bangs, you know, like, deep into Morbius' forearm, Morbius 534 00:48:59,353 --> 00:49:04,502 is gonna maneuver Manbat's head where he can expose his neck. and Morbius just sinks his 535 00:49:04,542 --> 00:49:10,506 fangs into Manbat's neck and it's gonna drain him of all of his blood and energy. So Manbat's 536 00:49:10,526 --> 00:49:15,609 like done, like Morbius just like freaking pushes him off to the side and Manbat falls lippily 537 00:49:15,629 --> 00:49:20,231 to the ground cause he doesn't have anything left, Morbius wins. Except Manbat, you know, 538 00:49:20,251 --> 00:49:25,294 he's not frail without his blood. In fact, he's stronger now than he's ever been because since 539 00:49:25,354 --> 00:49:31,478 Morbius bit him, he's now a pseudo vampire Manbat. No, no, except, no, that didn't. Nah. He's 540 00:49:31,558 --> 00:49:37,199 man-pseudo-vampire bat with like all white fur and skin like red eyes and now with his own 541 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,161 healing factor But like still all animal instinct. He's more dangerous now than ever. Did you 542 00:49:43,201 --> 00:49:50,784 say man pseudo vampire bat? Yes, man pseudo vampire bat So he's like a giant albino bat 543 00:49:50,824 --> 00:49:59,390 now, but with vampiric tendencies. Yeah. So Morbis is like, oh shit, I done fucked up Exactly, 544 00:49:59,730 --> 00:50:04,533 but you know Morbius is also gonna be stronger than he's ever been because he just got done 545 00:50:04,573 --> 00:50:10,416 feasting on the man bats blood So, you know, he's like full of energy and before man meant 546 00:50:10,617 --> 00:50:16,340 what is it pseudo man's a pseudo vampire bat Yes Before he could do anything Morbius speed 547 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,183 blitzes him and tackles him to the ground pinning him down as Morbius looks into his eyes and 548 00:50:22,304 --> 00:50:28,504 Mesmerizes the creature into becoming docile dude Morbius can't tame the animal mind within 549 00:50:28,544 --> 00:50:33,468 Manitou vampire bat. All right? Animals can't be hypnotized, so they're not smart enough. 550 00:50:33,528 --> 00:50:39,654 OK, so as Morbius thinks he's hypnotizing Manitou vampire bat, he's just going to stick his head 551 00:50:39,694 --> 00:50:45,198 out and bite right into Morbius's neck, just ripping it out entirely and ending this match. 552 00:50:45,218 --> 00:50:50,783 So basically, Manitou vampire bat took advantage of Morbius just staring at him and it did nothing. 553 00:50:51,164 --> 00:50:56,531 Exactly. Morbius tried and failed. But Morbius wouldn't die from getting his throat ripped 554 00:50:56,591 --> 00:51:04,657 out. What? Um, but I'm thinking now that Man-Bat has vampirism and he also has this mutagenic 555 00:51:04,757 --> 00:51:09,080 chemical in his blood that transformed him into Man-Bat in the first place. I bet you like 556 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:15,384 in the comics, it probably somehow reacts with Morbius's own blood disorder. So as Morbius 557 00:51:15,444 --> 00:51:22,609 heals his neck, he also sprouts giant bat wings and sheds his outfit and he becomes his own. 558 00:51:23,082 --> 00:51:30,188 Man-pseudo-vampire bat-vampire. Man-pseudo-vampire bat is probably horribly confused by what just 559 00:51:30,228 --> 00:51:37,774 happened. So man-pseudo-vampire bat-vampire then attacks man-pseudo-vampire bat and rips 560 00:51:37,814 --> 00:51:45,607 his pseudo-man heart out of his vampire bat chest. Okay, wait, whose heart got ripped out? 561 00:51:46,268 --> 00:51:52,353 The man, pseudo, vampire, bat, vampire? No, no, the man, pseudo, vampire, man, bat. All 562 00:51:52,433 --> 00:51:59,058 I know is Marvel wins. You don't know shit, like no one does anymore. Basically, there's 563 00:51:59,078 --> 00:52:05,404 these two giant albino, vampire, pseudo, man, bats that are attacking each other. There's 564 00:52:05,424 --> 00:52:10,308 just so much cross contamination of like blood conditions and viruses and shit. Who knows 565 00:52:10,348 --> 00:52:15,006 which one is which one anymore? But let's find out who wins this scenario by running these 566 00:52:15,046 --> 00:52:19,721 character stats in 1000 simulations and coming back with a winner. Let's do it! 567 00:52:24,290 --> 00:52:31,215 That was unexpected. What was it again? Pseudo vampire bat man? No, man pseudo vampire bat 568 00:52:31,255 --> 00:52:37,040 man. Oh, okay. I forgot. But we ran the stats on these characters. Pretty comparable here, 569 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:41,624 as I figured it would be. It's definitely gonna be a close match because these characters are 570 00:52:41,664 --> 00:52:47,329 nearly identical when it comes to things like speed, evasiveness, strength, damage level, 571 00:52:47,629 --> 00:52:53,608 versatility. But it was determined that Morbius is much more durable given that he has a regenerative 572 00:52:53,628 --> 00:52:59,732 healing factor, whereas Manbat does not. Right, but where Manbat did get the edge was in perception, 573 00:52:59,772 --> 00:53:05,095 thanks to his echolocation. That's something that Morbius didn't have. Manbat also had a 574 00:53:05,135 --> 00:53:10,638 slight advantage when it came to range due to his sonic shriek that he has. Morbius has some 575 00:53:10,678 --> 00:53:15,280 range with his whole mesmerization thing, but it's not very much. The victim has to be kind 576 00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:19,926 of in close proximity to see his gaze. So after crunching these numbers and running the simulations, 577 00:53:20,226 --> 00:53:25,128 who do you think is gonna win this match, Jonathan? Manbet, hopefully. I'm not sure, I know it's 578 00:53:25,148 --> 00:53:30,429 gonna be close. I really hope it's not the same results that we got from our Instagram poll, 579 00:53:30,749 --> 00:53:36,611 in which 72% of our Instagram followers chose Morbius. And I'm like, what? What are you guys 580 00:53:36,651 --> 00:53:42,473 doing? Like, Manbet is way cooler than Morbius. I don't know how that happened. Manbet is just 581 00:53:42,533 --> 00:53:47,650 too simplistic of a character, I think. He's not interesting enough to ever be that popular. 582 00:53:48,070 --> 00:53:53,352 Whereas Morbius, you know, he's a fucking vampire. Vampires are cool. Morbius is like the least 583 00:53:53,472 --> 00:53:59,573 cool vampire in fiction. He's like a living vampire. How lame is that? Like even other 584 00:53:59,613 --> 00:54:07,676 vampires hate him. It's interesting to me that Manbat turned out to be not vampiric at all. 585 00:54:07,976 --> 00:54:11,437 I always thought like he'd bite other people and turn them into Manbats themselves. No, 586 00:54:11,617 --> 00:54:16,450 it all comes down to his serum. Hence the lowered popularity. hence these poll results. But let 587 00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:22,193 me go ahead and tell you who won. The winner in the dual matchup between Manbat and Morbius 588 00:54:22,473 --> 00:54:33,897 is Morbius, the living vampire. It was fairly close. It was 56.4% to 43.6%. So Morbius won 589 00:54:33,977 --> 00:54:42,061 564 matches out of a thousand compared to Manbat's 436 wins. I thought Manbat scored higher in 590 00:54:42,141 --> 00:54:47,386 more stat categories than Morbius. but Morbius scored much higher when it came to durability. 591 00:54:47,866 --> 00:54:52,788 And intellect, since we reasoned that Man-Bat isn't always consistent with how smart he is 592 00:54:52,948 --> 00:54:58,969 in that form. I forgot about intelligence. Shit. At the end of the day, a brilliant human mind 593 00:54:58,989 --> 00:55:04,351 will always beat out a crazy animal mind. That's just the food chain. Man-Bat turns into a nice 594 00:55:04,431 --> 00:55:09,312 snack for Morbius, and us Marvel fans get another win. You guys have needed one of those for 595 00:55:09,332 --> 00:55:15,518 a while. DC is totally stomping you guys, so congrats, I guess. Thanks man. I can't wait 596 00:55:15,558 --> 00:55:26,723 to see Morbius's rotten tomato meter. I'm sure it'll probably also be at 56.4%. That's probably 597 00:55:26,763 --> 00:55:33,066 true, touche. That was pretty good. But that does it for this duel guys. Let us know what 598 00:55:33,086 --> 00:55:39,909 you thought about the results by writing to us at dyna or by visiting us on Facebook, Instagram 599 00:55:39,949 --> 00:55:43,959 or Twitter. 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