1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,174 --> 00:00:28,195 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,495 --> 00:00:33,216 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based 4 00:00:33,276 --> 00:00:39,618 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And this episode 5 00:00:39,658 --> 00:00:45,320 guys, it's a big one. It's a big milestone team duel episode, which we do every 25 episodes 6 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:51,101 or so. We're going to find out who would win in a fight between the outsiders and X-Force. 7 00:00:51,630 --> 00:00:57,794 The Outsiders is a badass DC group started by Batman consisting of characters like Black 8 00:00:57,834 --> 00:01:03,599 Lightning and Katana, and X-Force is a badass Marvel group consisting of characters like 9 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:09,364 Cable and Deadpool. Yeah, they're borderline street level teams, but they also have some 10 00:01:09,424 --> 00:01:14,748 real powerhouses and some really cool characters. Yeah, this particular team duel was determined 11 00:01:14,788 --> 00:01:19,891 by our executive producers and... We've been building toward it for a few months now, and 12 00:01:20,071 --> 00:01:24,454 I'm really excited to see who's going to win between these two groups. Of course, this isn't 13 00:01:24,474 --> 00:01:28,216 the first team duel that we've done. We've done lots of other team duels. I think we've done 14 00:01:28,236 --> 00:01:34,708 like 11 of them now, including... Justice League vs Avengers Titans vs X-Men Justice Society 15 00:01:34,748 --> 00:01:40,652 vs Fantastic Four Suicide Squad vs Defenders Justice League Dark vs The Midnight Suns Arkham 16 00:01:40,712 --> 00:01:47,117 Asylum vs Sinister Six Young Justice vs Young Avengers The Flash's Rogues vs The Brotherhood 17 00:01:47,137 --> 00:01:52,921 of Mutants Doom Patrol vs Guardians of the Galaxy We did a special last Halloween, Deceased vs 18 00:01:52,961 --> 00:01:58,324 Marvel Zombies and the Legion of Doom vs. Masters of Evil. If any of those strike your fancy, 19 00:01:58,444 --> 00:02:02,686 definitely go check out our Team Duel episodes. In addition to this episode, because, you know, 20 00:02:02,706 --> 00:02:07,149 they're big ones. They're a lot of fun. A lot of work goes into them. So much work. Yeah, 21 00:02:07,649 --> 00:02:13,032 it's worth it, though. And we hope you guys enjoy our four hundred and first episode. Episode 22 00:02:13,052 --> 00:02:17,682 400 was actually our Suicide Squad Isekai review. But before we get into that team duel, we're 23 00:02:17,702 --> 00:02:20,903 going to go over the latest comic book movie news to come out this past week, of which there 24 00:02:20,923 --> 00:02:26,104 was just one news item, and that was that Marvel television executive, Brad Winterbaum, has 25 00:02:26,144 --> 00:02:31,526 confirmed that Nova will be a television series. As always, we list our segment times in our 26 00:02:31,566 --> 00:02:35,307 episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to 27 00:02:35,347 --> 00:02:41,669 a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for 28 00:02:41,709 --> 00:02:48,783 our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there, do you want even more from this podcast? 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Be sure to tune into 37 00:03:31,315 --> 00:03:36,342 the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network this week. including Max Destruction, which 38 00:03:36,402 --> 00:03:40,784 pits your favorite action heroes from film and television against each other. This week, hosts 39 00:03:41,024 --> 00:03:47,807 Scotty and Gilly are pitting Neo from The Matrix against Gabriel Yulaw from The One. On the 40 00:03:47,907 --> 00:03:52,849 Senjou World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga 41 00:03:52,889 --> 00:03:58,812 characters. This Thursday, Zach will be finding out who'd win between Toji Fushiguro from Jujutsu 42 00:03:58,852 --> 00:04:05,210 Kaisen and Rock Lee from Naruto. On the Console Combat podcast, hosts John and Dean find out 43 00:04:05,230 --> 00:04:09,632 who would win in fights between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they 44 00:04:09,672 --> 00:04:14,655 determined who would win between Craig Boone from Fallout and Sniper Wolf from Metal Gear. 45 00:04:15,095 --> 00:04:19,357 Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all the shows 46 00:04:19,417 --> 00:04:26,240 in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick, to the no prize! A no 47 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:30,831 prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, 48 00:04:31,091 --> 00:04:35,793 is a digital award that we posted on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer 49 00:04:35,814 --> 00:04:41,777 to our question of the week. Last week we asked, out of the 400 episodes we've done, what has 50 00:04:41,817 --> 00:04:46,820 been your favorite episode of Dynamic Duel so far, and why? And I thought we would get a 51 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:53,323 ton of answers. We got three. Which is disappointing, but you know, I think we've asked this question 52 00:04:53,343 --> 00:04:57,402 a few times already, so it makes sense that we would get diminishing returns on it. We 53 00:04:57,422 --> 00:05:03,226 got two honorable mentions and a no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Miggy Mathengian, 54 00:05:03,586 --> 00:05:08,150 who said, Hey, what's up, guys? This is Miggy. And my favorite episode of your guys's is the 55 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:14,354 Titans versus X-Men team duel. It just came out at a time when I had finished catching 56 00:05:14,374 --> 00:05:19,978 up on all of your backlog and I was listening to episodes weekly. And the Titans are like 57 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:25,374 my favorite team and some of my favorite characters. So it was just kind of that sweet spot. Also 58 00:05:25,454 --> 00:05:30,335 the Batman review with the Spies Brothers, the Batman movie with the Spies Brothers, the 60s 59 00:05:30,435 --> 00:05:36,137 one, hilarious. Thanks guys. Yes, we have definitely asked this question before and Mickey has responded 60 00:05:36,497 --> 00:05:40,898 with those same answers. But just hearing his choices again reminds me of how much fun I 61 00:05:40,918 --> 00:05:45,919 have doing this podcast. It makes me feel like we peaked years ago on this show. Totally. 62 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:51,541 His answers have not changed. That's true. We keep putting out new episodes, but apparently 63 00:05:51,581 --> 00:05:57,822 they're not getting any better than those I mean it is the Titans and X-Men. Well, maybe 64 00:05:57,842 --> 00:06:03,084 the X-Force episode will be better. We'll see. Yeah, cause Outsiders is kind of Titans adjacent 65 00:06:03,384 --> 00:06:09,466 and X-Force is X-Men adjacent. We'll see. No pressure, no pressure. Thanks, Miggy, for your 66 00:06:09,526 --> 00:06:15,527 answer. Our next honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said. What's up, DynamaDews? Travis 67 00:06:15,547 --> 00:06:22,449 here, shout out to my other twins. So my answer would have to be your video on Poison Ivy versus 68 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:27,913 Emma Frost's battle. That one to me was definitely the funniest from you guys' back and forth. 69 00:06:27,933 --> 00:06:35,139 You know how the fight was slowly going from this actual fight to this hot and steamy, sexy 70 00:06:35,719 --> 00:06:40,863 time and you guys had to be stopping yourselves over and over again. So that had to be my pick, 71 00:06:40,963 --> 00:06:47,889 the Poison Ivy vs Emma Frost. Yeah, that's embarrassing. Really the only quasi-sexy thing that I remember 72 00:06:47,909 --> 00:06:54,298 from that duel is when Poison Ivy cracked Emma Frost's diamond form. And Jonathan said that 73 00:06:54,338 --> 00:07:02,402 the crack was the crack of the ass. Ridiculous. But yeah, Jonathan does that type of shit all 74 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:07,325 the time when it comes to the femme fatale duels and he's working on it. He's trying to do better. 75 00:07:08,666 --> 00:07:13,849 I literally cannot deny it because our patrons have access to our blooper reels from when 76 00:07:13,869 --> 00:07:20,332 we did like Catwoman versus Hellcat. I'm not proud of it, but I am amused by it. Great answer, 77 00:07:20,352 --> 00:07:25,831 Travis. But the winner of this week's snow prize is. Kat Stevenson who said, Hi guys, it's Kat 78 00:07:25,871 --> 00:07:32,736 again. And recently I went to the Seattle Museum of Pop Culture where I got to see the Batman 79 00:07:32,776 --> 00:07:37,759 and Robin suit. Seeing the Bat nipples in real life made me realize that my favorite episode 80 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:46,966 is your Batman and Robin review. That movie is absolutely bat shit crazy. And just getting 81 00:07:47,006 --> 00:07:51,949 to listen to you guys rant about a horrible movie is amazing. I love that episode and I 82 00:07:51,989 --> 00:07:57,312 love you guys. Thank you so much. Thanks, Kat. Yeah, this episode got the win largely because 83 00:07:57,372 --> 00:08:01,195 I was just really surprised by the answer. I've never heard this before. Actually, I remember 84 00:08:01,215 --> 00:08:06,098 when we did that review of Batman and Robin, we got some flack from some listeners who just 85 00:08:06,258 --> 00:08:10,660 knew the movie was bad and didn't want to hear a review on it. I guess not recognizing that, 86 00:08:11,081 --> 00:08:15,623 you know, we're trying to review all the Marvel and DC movies whether they're new or old. Good 87 00:08:15,743 --> 00:08:22,123 or bad. Right. And holy cow, Batman and Robin. is bad. Even revealing it, I'm like, this review 88 00:08:22,183 --> 00:08:27,705 is way worse than I even remembered it being. I'm glad someone liked the review because I 89 00:08:27,765 --> 00:08:32,707 sure did not enjoy writing it. But the best part about that whole experience was probably 90 00:08:32,767 --> 00:08:38,469 recording our review and just cracking up. So yeah, brought back some good memories. Thanks, 91 00:08:38,509 --> 00:08:42,431 Kat Stevenson. Congrats on winning this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at 92 00:08:42,471 --> 00:08:46,673 winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another 93 00:08:46,973 --> 00:08:50,543 question of the week. And now that that's done. On to the news! 94 00:08:55,938 --> 00:09:01,380 This past week, Brad Winterbaum, who is the Marvel Studios Head of Streaming, Television, 95 00:09:01,460 --> 00:09:08,523 and Animation, guested on a podcast called the Phase Zero Podcast. And on the show, Winterbaum 96 00:09:08,603 --> 00:09:13,885 confirmed that Nova is getting a Disney Plus television series. Now, I think a lot of us 97 00:09:13,985 --> 00:09:17,787 have assumed that for quite a while or we've known that. But what was interesting about 98 00:09:17,827 --> 00:09:22,869 this reveal that Nova is going to be a television show is that Brad Winterbaum described the 99 00:09:22,909 --> 00:09:29,869 series as having shades of both Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, which both of those shows 100 00:09:29,990 --> 00:09:36,175 are long running fan-loved sci-fi franchises. So this can only mean good things for a Nova 101 00:09:36,235 --> 00:09:40,198 series. Actually, you know what? I thought the most interesting thing about that was, of course, 102 00:09:40,258 --> 00:09:45,482 Marvel would be doing a Nova series after the Green Lantern series was greenlit by Warner 103 00:09:45,502 --> 00:09:50,666 Brothers. Because why wouldn't they? Because they're a bunch of copiers. I'm sorry. The 104 00:09:50,686 --> 00:09:56,286 Green Lantern series has been described as true detective in space. whereas the Nova series 105 00:09:56,326 --> 00:10:01,489 is being described as Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica. Now which one of those other television 106 00:10:01,509 --> 00:10:07,371 show comparisons seems more appropriate for an intergalactic, spacefaring, peacekeeping 107 00:10:07,411 --> 00:10:13,634 core out in the galaxy? You tell me. True Detective or Star Trek? Now when you say appropriate, 108 00:10:13,694 --> 00:10:20,477 do you mean like interesting? Because True Detective! I mean both. True Detective. Dude, Star Trek? 109 00:10:21,010 --> 00:10:26,273 Meets Battlestar Galactica. It's a big done before. It's called Star Trek and Battlestar 110 00:10:26,293 --> 00:10:33,818 Galactica. True Detection has been done before. But now what? I have space, bro. OK, come on. 111 00:10:33,838 --> 00:10:38,922 Oh, let's see Star Trek in space. I wonder what that's like. Fucking awesome. That's what it's 112 00:10:38,942 --> 00:10:45,226 like. Now, Brad Winterbaum said that it's going to be an ensemble piece. So it looks like the 113 00:10:45,246 --> 00:10:49,869 series is not just going to focus on one Nova like Richard Ryder or maybe Sam Alexander. 114 00:10:50,230 --> 00:10:54,491 It's going to focus on the entire Nova Corps and perhaps what happens to them after Zandar 115 00:10:54,511 --> 00:10:59,592 is destroyed. I would prefer the Nova Corps and the Gromund Day to visit Earth, recruit 116 00:10:59,732 --> 00:11:04,654 Richard Ryder, and then restart the Nova Corps. I think that'd be a great premise. But really 117 00:11:04,674 --> 00:11:10,735 the MCU is focusing more on the Nova Corps itself, the entire team, as opposed to one individuel 118 00:11:11,055 --> 00:11:15,137 Corps member. We saw in the first Guardians of the Galaxy film where we were introduced 119 00:11:15,157 --> 00:11:20,090 to the Corps on Zandar, how the Nova Corps were more like a... police force than a group of 120 00:11:20,170 --> 00:11:24,453 superheroes, you know, they didn't fly around on their own. They flew around in Nova Corps 121 00:11:24,493 --> 00:11:30,616 spaceships. And the way the Nova Force manifested was like an energy force field linked between 122 00:11:30,636 --> 00:11:35,279 their ships and stuff like that. It was really fascinating. And it'll be really interesting 123 00:11:35,319 --> 00:11:40,282 to see where they take that concept with this Nova Corps series, especially considering that 124 00:11:40,342 --> 00:11:44,544 Xandar has been destroyed. I'm actually not surprised they're making it an ensemble considering 125 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:49,483 some of the cast members they've had. in the Nova Corps and past movies like John C. Reilly 126 00:11:49,643 --> 00:11:53,704 and Glenn Close. You know, if you could get those actors to come back, maybe even for like 127 00:11:53,784 --> 00:11:58,246 a brief appearance, that'd be pretty cool. But also, I'm not surprised that it's an ensemble 128 00:11:58,306 --> 00:12:05,249 because a lead character named Dick Ryder is not for Disney+. You are the first person to 129 00:12:05,289 --> 00:12:11,712 ever make that joke. I mean, I try. Now, Richard Ryder is a great character. If you guys want 130 00:12:11,732 --> 00:12:16,502 to learn more about him, definitely check out our duel episode between him and Hal Jordan 131 00:12:16,562 --> 00:12:22,684 Green Lantern. Actually, speaking of Green Lantern, rumors are a swirling about who they are going 132 00:12:22,724 --> 00:12:29,026 to cast as Hal Jordan. The list includes Josh Brolin, Thanos himself, Matthew McConaughey, 133 00:12:29,246 --> 00:12:35,428 Ewan McGregor, Chris Pine, and Timothy Olyphant. And I gotta say, that's a solid lineup. I'd 134 00:12:35,448 --> 00:12:39,189 be happy with any one of those. Yeah, I'd be happy with any of those except for Josh Brolin, 135 00:12:39,309 --> 00:12:42,651 I think. He just doesn't feel like Hal Jordan to me. But it seems like they're going with 136 00:12:42,691 --> 00:12:48,198 an older actor for Hal Jordan and a younger actor for Jon Stewart. Yeah, yeah, that's their 137 00:12:48,238 --> 00:12:52,904 plan, allegedly. But speaking of Nova and Green Lantern, that brings us to our question of 138 00:12:52,924 --> 00:12:53,205 the week. 139 00:12:57,582 --> 00:13:03,766 Who would you cast as Richard Ryder in the Nova series, and Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart in the 140 00:13:03,806 --> 00:13:09,089 Green Lantern series? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone 141 00:13:09,109 --> 00:13:12,932 button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a 142 00:13:12,992 --> 00:13:17,735 voicemail. Your message can be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in 143 00:13:17,755 --> 00:13:22,198 case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person 144 00:13:22,278 --> 00:13:28,029 a dynamic duel no prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before... September 14th. 145 00:13:35,278 --> 00:13:38,240 Well that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get into our 146 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:44,364 main event where we find out who'd win in a fight between DC's The Outsiders and Marvel's 147 00:13:44,885 --> 00:13:45,365 X-Force. 148 00:14:00,642 --> 00:14:06,065 Alright, Outsiders vs X-Force. These are two badass teams that I think are largely well 149 00:14:06,105 --> 00:14:11,448 known for their respective fan bases. X-Force is definitely well known even amongst non-comic 150 00:14:11,468 --> 00:14:18,312 book readers because the team made a cameo appearance on the Deadpool 2 movie. Yeah, and the Outsiders 151 00:14:18,332 --> 00:14:24,295 had an entire season dedicated to them in the Young Justice animated series from DC. Which 152 00:14:24,335 --> 00:14:30,062 is not the same level of popularity as a theatrical release. Nobody watches this cartoon that you're 153 00:14:30,082 --> 00:14:35,264 talking about. The only people that would know who the outsiders are actual DC comic book 154 00:14:35,304 --> 00:14:40,465 fans, I think. Bitch, you don't know people's lives? Show me the numbers. Prove me wrong. 155 00:14:40,625 --> 00:14:45,887 Prove yourself right. The burden on proof is on you, I think. I'm just gonna say that it 156 00:14:45,947 --> 00:14:50,348 is. You have to prove me wrong. That's how it works. We'll tell everybody out there who are 157 00:14:50,408 --> 00:14:56,091 not quite familiar with who the outsiders are their basic gist. The idea of the outsiders 158 00:14:56,231 --> 00:15:01,976 is that they can do things and go places that the Justice League cannot. And the X-Force 159 00:15:01,996 --> 00:15:07,020 are kind of exactly the same when it comes to the X-Men. Like the X-Force go out and do things 160 00:15:07,220 --> 00:15:11,484 outside of the scope of your standard X-Men mission. You know, they're often considered 161 00:15:11,624 --> 00:15:17,309 outlaws for their more extreme, brutal methods. You know, they're a product of the extreme 162 00:15:17,389 --> 00:15:23,694 80s and 90s. They're also a product of the outsiders, because the outsiders can first... and they 163 00:15:23,734 --> 00:15:28,796 did all that stuff first. How do you know that the Outsiders came first? Because the X-Force 164 00:15:28,876 --> 00:15:33,959 came out in like the early 90s, I'm pretty sure, and the Outsiders were around before Crysis. 165 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:39,842 Well X-Force came out in 1991. Okay, yeah, so I'm right. Again it doesn't matter who came 166 00:15:39,882 --> 00:15:44,045 out first, it matters who did it better. And we're going to find out which team is better 167 00:15:44,105 --> 00:15:49,208 in this episode, but to explain the methodology behind our team duels, let's go to our sentient 168 00:15:49,248 --> 00:15:55,423 duel simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. Tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner 169 00:15:55,623 --> 00:16:00,885 in our team duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the two 170 00:16:00,925 --> 00:16:06,047 teams is by running 1,000 Monte Carlo simulations between every character on each team using 171 00:16:06,087 --> 00:16:11,570 their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes 172 00:16:11,610 --> 00:16:16,812 through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution 173 00:16:17,152 --> 00:16:21,750 as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters 174 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:26,172 are based on the official Marvel power grid, from which the DC characters' statistics are 175 00:16:26,212 --> 00:16:32,214 extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility 176 00:16:32,335 --> 00:16:37,357 and perception, in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 177 00:16:37,397 --> 00:16:42,899 49,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character on both teams. The team 178 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,981 with the higher average win rate is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability 179 00:16:47,021 --> 00:16:52,537 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither team should win 100% of the matches. 180 00:16:52,898 --> 00:16:57,142 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 181 00:16:57,182 --> 00:17:01,045 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 182 00:17:01,065 --> 00:17:06,671 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 183 00:17:06,691 --> 00:17:12,656 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 184 00:17:12,676 --> 00:17:17,999 Thanks, Adrian, I'm K. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each team's histories 185 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:24,400 and rosters before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the thousands of simulations 186 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,262 we run would play out beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first with the Marvel team's 187 00:17:29,302 --> 00:17:34,683 backstory, so let me go ahead and tell you all about X-Force. The origins of the X-Force team 188 00:17:34,723 --> 00:17:39,844 are actually found within another group known as the New Mutants, a team of young heroes 189 00:17:39,904 --> 00:17:44,962 formed by Professor X when he mistakenly believed his X-Men had perished. Though the Professor 190 00:17:44,982 --> 00:17:49,924 was reluctant to form a new team, Xavier decided that he could still mentor young mutants in 191 00:17:49,944 --> 00:17:55,327 the use of their powers without sending them into combat. However, combat found the young 192 00:17:55,367 --> 00:17:59,589 team and the new mutants were in near constant struggles against outside enemies and their 193 00:17:59,709 --> 00:18:04,771 own inner demons despite Professor X's wishes. You can learn more about Professor X and his 194 00:18:04,811 --> 00:18:10,846 duel against the Chief and more about the X-Men in their team duel against the Titans. Eventually, 195 00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:17,228 the time traveling cyborg mutant soldier named Cable took charge of the new mutants and restructured 196 00:18:17,268 --> 00:18:21,390 it into a strike team that would take a more proactive approach against threats against 197 00:18:21,490 --> 00:18:27,793 mutant kind. More specifically, against threats posed by Cable's clone named Strife, who had 198 00:18:27,853 --> 00:18:33,695 formed a terrorist mutant group called the Mutant Liberation Front. Cable took the young heroes 199 00:18:33,775 --> 00:18:38,917 under his wing, radicalizing them in his more extreme methods, which prompted several members 200 00:18:38,977 --> 00:18:45,990 to leave. including Warlock, Wolfsbane, Richter, and Sunspot, leaving only Cannonball and Boom 201 00:18:46,370 --> 00:18:52,414 left on the team. This resulted in Cable recruiting new members, Warpath, Shatterstar, Feral, and 202 00:18:52,534 --> 00:18:58,218 Domino. Together they formed a new group that Cable monocled X-Force, a group existing between 203 00:18:58,258 --> 00:19:03,982 Professor X's pacifist ideals and Magneto's hostile aggression. The team fought against 204 00:19:04,062 --> 00:19:09,145 Genesis, a disciple of Apocalypse who hired their mercenary Deadpool to attack X-Force. 205 00:19:09,666 --> 00:19:14,890 They also battled Strife's Mutant Liberation Front, Juggernaut and Black Tom Cassidy, the 206 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:20,915 Immortal Mutant Externals, the Parasitic Phalanx Aliens, and even the International Espionage 207 00:19:20,975 --> 00:19:26,801 Organization SHIELD after getting on their radar for their brutal, uncompromising methods. In 208 00:19:26,821 --> 00:19:31,705 their adventures, they brought on new recruits including Siren, Caliban, Meltdown, Bedlam, 209 00:19:31,865 --> 00:19:37,622 and Mirage. When Strife framed Cable for an assassination attempt on Professor X, X-Force 210 00:19:37,662 --> 00:19:42,366 found themselves without a mentor for a time. They were taken under the guidance of the mutant 211 00:19:42,386 --> 00:19:48,391 British spy, Pete Wisdom, but they disbanded not long after. Eventually the cast of a mutant 212 00:19:48,431 --> 00:19:53,935 reality TV show took the name X-Force for their group, prompting the original team to confront 213 00:19:53,975 --> 00:19:59,620 them and they changed their name to X-Statics. Later the Scarlet Witch used her reality warping 214 00:19:59,660 --> 00:20:04,844 powers during a psychotic break to remove most of the world's mutant abilities in an event 215 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:10,987 known as M-Day. When Earth's first new mutant was born, groups around the world raced to 216 00:20:11,027 --> 00:20:17,010 find her, either seeking to protect, experiment on, or destroy her. As part of the search, 217 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:22,252 Cyclops formed a strike force within the X-Men team to find the child and protect her from 218 00:20:22,332 --> 00:20:28,835 all threats, creating a new iteration of X-Force, this time led by Wolverine and consisting of 219 00:20:28,855 --> 00:20:36,186 X-23, Warpath, Caliban, and Hepzibah. Ultimately, it was Cable acting on his own, who was able 220 00:20:36,226 --> 00:20:41,067 to secure the child, naming her Hope Summers and taking her into the future to protect her. 221 00:20:41,607 --> 00:20:46,529 Cyclops retained X-Force as a secret black ops team tasked with eliminating potential threats 222 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:52,430 to mutant kind, including William Stryker and his purifiers, and Mr. Sinister and his marauders. 223 00:20:53,050 --> 00:20:57,752 Archangel joined the team, and the group operated out of his area estate in the Colorado Rocky 224 00:20:57,792 --> 00:21:02,433 Mountains. They were also joined by Domino and Deadpool when they were sent to the future 225 00:21:02,493 --> 00:21:08,880 to help After saving the two and returning to the present, the team relocated to an island 226 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,943 base off the coast of San Francisco. There, X-Force fought against the mutant Succubus 227 00:21:13,983 --> 00:21:20,487 Selene and her undead army, and later Bastion and his battalion of Nimrod Sentinels. Eventually, 228 00:21:20,587 --> 00:21:26,350 Cyclops determined the strike force was no longer necessary, and he had X-Force disbanded. However, 229 00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:31,393 Wolverine kept it going in secret, bringing aboard Psylocke and Phantom X to the team. 230 00:21:31,842 --> 00:21:36,524 They battled the resurrected Apocalypse and his four horsemen, and the cybernetic Reavers, 231 00:21:36,904 --> 00:21:42,087 during which the zombie cyborg soldier Deathlock joined. They also opposed the evil psychic 232 00:21:42,147 --> 00:21:46,849 entity known as the Shadow King, before Wolverine revealed the group's existence to the X-Men, 233 00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:53,013 and the X-Force disbanded once again. Is Deathlock a mutant? He's not, but technically neither 234 00:21:53,073 --> 00:21:57,930 is Deadpool. He's a mutate. So the X-Force team is not just mutants exclusively, like Shatterstar 235 00:21:57,950 --> 00:22:03,692 is not a mutant. Gotcha. He's an alien. Meanwhile, Cable and Hope returned to the present, where 236 00:22:03,732 --> 00:22:08,853 Cable's techno-organic virus was purged from his system. With his psychic powers fully unleashed, 237 00:22:09,273 --> 00:22:14,135 Cable began receiving precognitive visions of the future, and he recruited a new X-Force 238 00:22:14,175 --> 00:22:19,516 team to battle the threats that he foresaw, including new members Hope, Colossus, and Forge. 239 00:22:20,036 --> 00:22:24,558 Together, they stopped numerous threats such as a public transmode virus infection, and 240 00:22:24,598 --> 00:22:29,562 an alien invasion. However, since the team's actions were preemptive, X-Force was branded 241 00:22:29,642 --> 00:22:34,206 as terrorists and got on the radar of the Avengers and had to fight the team to continue their 242 00:22:34,246 --> 00:22:40,171 work. Simultaneously, the Black Ops X-Force team, now known as the Uncanny X-Force, had 243 00:22:40,211 --> 00:22:45,895 continued on, now led by Psylocke, and included members such as Storm, Bishop, Spiral, and 244 00:22:45,975 --> 00:22:51,440 Puck. One of Cable's premonitions led Hope to perceive the Uncanny team as a threat, and 245 00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:57,043 the two X-Forces fought. They eventually called a truce, however, and Psylocke's team disbanded. 246 00:22:57,484 --> 00:23:02,767 Eventually, Cable, still beset by his premonitions, went after the mercenary Deadpool, who at the 247 00:23:02,807 --> 00:23:08,390 time was being tested by the Time Variance Authority as a potential agent. Cable stole a time harness 248 00:23:08,410 --> 00:23:13,413 in an attempt to stop Deadpool from causing a disaster and to fix his mind from the premonitions. 249 00:23:13,933 --> 00:23:19,056 In the process, the time harness merged Cable with various incarnations of himself across 250 00:23:19,096 --> 00:23:25,200 the time stream, and Cable returned to the present. back with his techno-organic virus, and without 251 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:31,525 his future premonitions. No longer tied to a mission, the X-Force team disbanded. When Professor 252 00:23:31,686 --> 00:23:36,910 X, Magneto, and other Mutant leaders developed their own nation on the mutant island of Krakoa, 253 00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:42,715 they found themselves still targeted by foreign threats and decided to form a Krakoan intelligence 254 00:23:42,815 --> 00:23:48,600 agency, a new special operations squad named X-Force. You can learn more about Krakoa in 255 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,283 his duel episode against Danny the Street. This new team was headed by Beast and included Sage, 256 00:23:54,463 --> 00:23:59,646 Wolverine, Domino, Colossus, and Kid Omega, with special equipment provided for their missions 257 00:23:59,706 --> 00:24:05,728 by Forge. Together, they executed missions to protect Krakoa's national interests, including 258 00:24:05,768 --> 00:24:11,311 defending against the anti-Krakoan organization known as Orcus. And that's their backstory 259 00:24:11,351 --> 00:24:16,133 up until recently. For the 7-person X-Force roster I'll be going with for this team duel, 260 00:24:16,426 --> 00:24:21,408 because all of our team duels include 7 person rosters. I wanted to pull from across the team's 261 00:24:21,448 --> 00:24:25,851 long and varied history. First off, I chose the founder of X-Force and its frequent leader, 262 00:24:25,991 --> 00:24:31,314 Cable, who is a physical and psychic powerhouse. I'm also going with one of the first recruits 263 00:24:31,354 --> 00:24:36,697 of the original team, a founding member, and one of the group's most frequent members, Domino, 264 00:24:36,957 --> 00:24:42,881 my good luck wildcard. The strongman Warpath is my third member, who is also an original 265 00:24:42,901 --> 00:24:47,703 member of X-Force. The latter two that I just mentioned were also members of the X-Force 266 00:24:47,743 --> 00:24:52,165 Special Ops team, which is one of my personal favorite incarnations of the group and where 267 00:24:52,225 --> 00:24:57,547 I pulled from the remaining four members. This includes Deadpool, who initially started out 268 00:24:57,587 --> 00:25:03,169 as a mercenary adversary for the team but later joined them, Archangel, who I consider my aerial 269 00:25:03,209 --> 00:25:08,572 support as one of the only flyers on the group, Psylocke, another psychic threat, and lastly 270 00:25:08,832 --> 00:25:14,130 X23, who in the comic books is now going by the code name Talon. which is a name I really 271 00:25:14,170 --> 00:25:19,853 like for her, and that's what I'll be calling her here instead of X23. Talon not only was 272 00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:24,956 a member of the Special Ops Squad, but she's also serving as a stand-in of sorts for her 273 00:25:25,056 --> 00:25:30,859 father, and I put father in quotes, Wolverine, and Wolverine has led several versions of X-Force, 274 00:25:30,939 --> 00:25:36,102 but I already used him in the Titans versus X-Men duel. So that's my roster. To reiterate, 275 00:25:36,542 --> 00:25:44,754 the seven-member X-Force team that I'm going with for this duel is Cable, Psylocke, Archangel, 276 00:25:45,255 --> 00:25:51,418 Warpath, and X23, now known as Talon. And you can learn all about their individuel histories 277 00:25:51,859 --> 00:25:56,661 in their respective duel episodes. Basically, this team is as badass as badass gets though. 278 00:25:57,042 --> 00:26:01,284 It is pretty badass. Actually, there are a lot of tie-ins in their backstory that reminded 279 00:26:01,324 --> 00:26:05,606 me a lot of the Outsiders backstory. The teams are maybe a little bit more similar than I 280 00:26:05,626 --> 00:26:11,130 would have even thought. But let me get into the Outsiders backstory. When Lucius Fox a 281 00:26:11,170 --> 00:26:15,973 board member of Wayne Enterprises, was kidnapped during a business trip in the fictional European 282 00:26:16,013 --> 00:26:21,718 country of Markovia during the coup of the country's monarchy, Batman insisted the Justice League 283 00:26:21,778 --> 00:26:26,261 intervene, though he was rejected on the grounds that the League's presence would be seen as 284 00:26:26,281 --> 00:26:32,166 an involvement in a political conflict. Enraged, Batman quit the League and enlisted the help 285 00:26:32,206 --> 00:26:38,158 of Black Lightning to rescue Lucius abroad. While posing as Lucius's brother, Black Lightning 286 00:26:38,198 --> 00:26:43,842 developed a contact within the Markovian revolutionaries named General Carnes, who worked with the villain 287 00:26:43,862 --> 00:26:49,706 Baron Bedlam to kill King Victor Markov and take over the country. Carnes was killed, however, 288 00:26:49,986 --> 00:26:54,529 by the sword-wielding Kitana, who blamed him for selling weapons that killed her family. 289 00:26:54,970 --> 00:26:59,613 While Black Lightning was blamed and imprisoned for the death of Carnes, Batman encountered 290 00:26:59,673 --> 00:27:05,537 Halo, an amnesiac young woman seemingly a victim of the war in Markovia that possessed energy 291 00:27:05,597 --> 00:27:11,439 powers. and Markovia's chief royal scientist, Dr. Helga Jace, was imbuing the country's prince, 292 00:27:11,719 --> 00:27:18,201 Bran Markov, with geokinetic powers in order to protect the crown. Metamorpho, an elemental 293 00:27:18,241 --> 00:27:23,722 shapeshifter, was also in Markovia at the time, seeking help from Dr. Jace to cure him of his 294 00:27:23,782 --> 00:27:30,964 powers. After Prince Bryan, aka Geoforce, was shot and left for dead, Batman, Halo, and Metamorpho 295 00:27:31,004 --> 00:27:35,745 were all captured and imprisoned, though Katana reappeared and helped rescue the heroes from 296 00:27:36,642 --> 00:27:41,643 When GeoForce recovered, the heroes all managed to work together to overthrow Baron Bedlam, 297 00:27:41,843 --> 00:27:47,224 and rescue Lucius Fox to boot. Impressed by their abilities and cooperation, Batman convinced 298 00:27:47,324 --> 00:27:52,606 all of the heroes to join him in Gotham City to train as a new, secret superteam capable 299 00:27:52,666 --> 00:27:57,967 of covert missions that the Justice League were incapable of performing. When Metamorpho wondered 300 00:27:57,987 --> 00:28:03,309 aloud if a group of outsiders like them could really be a team, it was GeoForce that determined 301 00:28:03,429 --> 00:28:08,086 outsiders should be the team name. Batman led the Outsiders in numerous missions against 302 00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:13,208 villains such as Agent Orange, Meltdown, and Cryonic Man. They clashed with the Teen Titans, 303 00:28:13,288 --> 00:28:17,889 fought alongside the Justice League, and dealt with personal struggles, including Kitana's 304 00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:24,151 battle against the Yakuza, the betrayal and death of Geoforce's sister Terra, Halo's abduction 305 00:28:24,211 --> 00:28:29,453 by the extradimensional light beings known as Articles, and the kidnapping of Sapphire Stag, 306 00:28:29,633 --> 00:28:34,814 metamorphosed fiancee, on their wedding day. After a space mission to stop the Cobra Cult 307 00:28:34,834 --> 00:28:39,876 from taking over America, the outsiders traveled to the subterranean kingdom known as Abyssa, 308 00:28:40,236 --> 00:28:45,538 where Kitana's friend Emily Briggs discovered her royal heritage and powers, taking on the 309 00:28:45,578 --> 00:28:50,859 codename Looker, and becoming the latest member to join the team. Eventually, Baron Bedlam 310 00:28:50,899 --> 00:28:57,421 returned to Markovia and kidnapped Princess Ilona, the fiancée of King Gregor Markov, Geoforce's 311 00:28:57,521 --> 00:29:02,755 older brother. Batman withheld this information from the team in the hopes that Geoforce would 312 00:29:02,815 --> 00:29:08,397 remain in Gotham, and when the team found out, Batman was ultimately forced off the team. 313 00:29:08,857 --> 00:29:13,558 After receiving funding from the Kingdom of Markovia, the Outsiders relocated from Gotham 314 00:29:13,598 --> 00:29:19,400 to Los Angeles, establishing their secret headquarters in an ocean research lab. After several adventures 315 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,570 and a number of scandals, the Outsiders reunited with Batman to take on Eclipso. after which 316 00:29:24,610 --> 00:29:29,534 they teamed up with Infinity Inc. after PsychoPirate attempted to pose as Baron Bedlam in Takeover 317 00:29:29,574 --> 00:29:34,378 Markovia. You can learn more about Eclipso and PsychoPirate in their respective duels against 318 00:29:34,479 --> 00:29:40,243 Malekith and Mastermind. Due to the team's continual involvement in international affairs, particularly 319 00:29:40,304 --> 00:29:45,488 in Markovia, the US government began hunting the outsiders as enemies. It was during this 320 00:29:45,528 --> 00:29:51,053 time that Dr. Helga Jace also betrayed the team, revealed to be a sleeper agent of the robotic 321 00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:56,226 manhunters. brainwashed Metamorpho into attacking the team, though he was able to eventually 322 00:29:56,306 --> 00:30:01,751 overcome her control and attacked her instead, resulting in both his and Dr. Jace's death. 323 00:30:02,171 --> 00:30:06,736 After Looker lost her powers, and Halo went into a coma after battling the Manhunters, 324 00:30:07,196 --> 00:30:12,001 and with the US government still after them, the Outsiders decided to disband. The team 325 00:30:12,041 --> 00:30:17,094 members later rejoined for the christening of Geoforce's nephew, Prince Gregor II, and were 326 00:30:17,134 --> 00:30:22,057 forced to team up again to defend the country from an army of vampires, which killed an entire 327 00:30:22,117 --> 00:30:27,662 village and placed the blame on the Outsiders, making them international fugitives. During 328 00:30:27,702 --> 00:30:33,786 this time, the Outsiders took on three new members, the Sorcerer Faust, the Exosuit-Wearing Technocrat, 329 00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:41,132 the Kryptonian Superman clone Eradicator, and a man-beared thing named Wild. Ha ha ha. After 330 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:46,002 defeating the vampires in the Kingdom of Abyssah, The Outsiders' names were cleared of wrongdoing, 331 00:30:46,202 --> 00:30:51,845 and after some infighting, the teams split into two factions, one led by Eradicator in Los 332 00:30:51,925 --> 00:30:58,208 Angeles and the other led by Katana in New York. Eradicator's team clashed with the Feiron Empire, 333 00:30:58,528 --> 00:31:03,750 resulting in widespread destruction and internal conflicts exacerbated by media distrust and 334 00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:09,332 police intervention. The teams eventually reunited after dealing with betrayal from Faust and 335 00:31:09,372 --> 00:31:15,324 Wild, who they fought against in a hellish dimension. Dr. Light and a clone of Terra later joined 336 00:31:15,384 --> 00:31:20,829 the team, though it eventually disbanded. Following the deaths of several Titans at the hands of 337 00:31:20,869 --> 00:31:26,473 a mysterious android named Indigo, the Titans team disbanded, leading Arsenal and Nightwing 338 00:31:26,513 --> 00:31:32,399 to form a new incarnation of the Outsiders with a metamorpho-revenant named Shift, an Amazon 339 00:31:32,479 --> 00:31:37,663 named Grace, Black Lightning's daughter Thunder, the daughter of Green Lantern Ellen Scott, 340 00:31:37,803 --> 00:31:43,846 Jade, and the android Indigo. Sponsored by Wayne Enterprises and operating from a Brooklyn bomb 341 00:31:43,866 --> 00:31:48,408 shelter, the team took a proactive approach to crime fighting by hunting known criminals. 342 00:31:48,848 --> 00:31:54,129 After defeating the likes of the Joker and Brother Blood, Huntress briefly joined the team along 343 00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:59,751 with Black Lightning and Captain Marvel Jr. Eventually, Indigo was revealed to be a traitor 344 00:32:00,031 --> 00:32:05,013 and was actually Brainiac 8, leading to the Outsiders and Titans teaming up to defeat her. 345 00:32:05,473 --> 00:32:10,483 Kitana eventually joined the new team. proving invaluable when her Soul Sword was able to 346 00:32:10,523 --> 00:32:15,545 absorb and imprison the demon Sabacc. After Black Lightning was framed for murder, Nightwing 347 00:32:15,585 --> 00:32:20,987 and Red Hood led a failed breakout from Iron Heights that resulted in numerous deaths. The 348 00:32:21,027 --> 00:32:26,409 team faked their own deaths and continued operating covertly with a new roster funded by Green 349 00:32:26,529 --> 00:32:32,012 Arrow that now included Captain Boomerang, though their existence was later exposed by the villainous 350 00:32:32,032 --> 00:32:37,414 Dr. Sivana, and the team was captured by the government organization Checkmate. who enlisted 351 00:32:37,434 --> 00:32:43,135 them as covert operatives. When one mission went awry, the team ended up being captured 352 00:32:43,235 --> 00:32:49,397 and tortured in North Korea, forcing Batman to intervene. Upon their rescue, Nightwing 353 00:32:49,437 --> 00:32:54,559 stepped down as team leader and put Batman back in charge of the outsiders. Batman's new roster 354 00:32:54,619 --> 00:33:00,500 included Shazam, Martian Manhunter, Catwoman, the Batgirl Cassandra Kane, and Green Arrow, 355 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,438 with Geoforce and Looker joining the ever-shifting roster later on as well. When Batman seemingly 356 00:33:06,498 --> 00:33:12,181 died, in his will he ordered Alfred Pennyworth to assemble a new team of outsiders consisting 357 00:33:12,221 --> 00:33:19,666 of Black Lightning, Creeper, Geoforce, Halo, Kitana, Metamorpho, and Owlman, who together 358 00:33:19,706 --> 00:33:25,029 worked to stop immortals known as the Insiders from destroying the planet. After the Flashpoint 359 00:33:25,069 --> 00:33:30,159 reset of DC's continuity, It was revealed that Batman put together a secret team consisting 360 00:33:30,199 --> 00:33:35,581 of Black Lightning, Metamorpho, Geoforce Kitana, and Halo to investigate a mystery concerning 361 00:33:35,641 --> 00:33:40,443 specific metals and their ties to the existence of metahumans, though Black Lightning later 362 00:33:40,484 --> 00:33:46,026 formed his own Outsiders team consisting of Kitana, Cassandra Cain, and the new hero, Signal, 363 00:33:46,226 --> 00:33:51,348 Gotham City's daytime protector. Now, for my Outsiders roster, each member of which you 364 00:33:51,368 --> 00:33:55,822 can learn more about in their respective duel episodes, I will be going with the original 365 00:33:55,862 --> 00:34:02,505 members of Black Lightning, Katana, Metamorpho, Geoforce, and Halo as each of them have had 366 00:34:02,565 --> 00:34:08,067 recurring memberships on the team throughout its many incarnations. Noticeably absent on 367 00:34:08,087 --> 00:34:13,109 this roster will be Batman, which seems strange considering oftentimes the Outsiders comic 368 00:34:13,169 --> 00:34:18,692 is titled Batman and the Outsiders, but it was for that very reason that to me he felt more 369 00:34:18,732 --> 00:34:24,266 like a benefactor of the group, an outsider to the Outsiders as it were. And since to me 370 00:34:24,306 --> 00:34:29,028 Batman is more of a Justice Leagueer, the executive producers and I didn't have too many qualms 371 00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:33,429 about leaving Kim off the team since he has already been a part of one of our team duels. 372 00:34:33,830 --> 00:34:40,953 Replacing Kim will be Cassandra Cain, aka Batgirl, or Orphan, or Black Bat, who's been a member 373 00:34:40,993 --> 00:34:45,754 of the team's more recent incarnations. And lastly, since I didn't have room to include 374 00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:52,057 Roy Harper, aka Arsenal, in our Titans vs X-Men team duel, I knew I wanted to make sure he 375 00:34:52,097 --> 00:34:57,072 was on the Outsiders, since he was a founder of a prominent incarnation of the Super Team. 376 00:34:57,472 --> 00:35:04,916 So that's Black Lightning, Kitana, Metamorpho, Geoforce, Halo, Black Bat, and Arsenal. It's 377 00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:10,919 really interesting how many similarities these teams have, including the fact that we're substituting 378 00:35:11,019 --> 00:35:16,182 some of the key members of these respective teams with their young female proteges, including 379 00:35:16,342 --> 00:35:23,090 Black Bat substituting in for Batman and Talon X-23 substituting in for Wolverine. Yeah, I 380 00:35:23,110 --> 00:35:27,173 also thought it was interesting that they both had like split versions of the teams that like 381 00:35:27,193 --> 00:35:32,156 battled each other for a bit. Yeah, it's really strange when all these things start aligning 382 00:35:32,176 --> 00:35:36,759 that you didn't expect to. You find out that it's an even better idea than anybody even 383 00:35:36,779 --> 00:35:43,304 knew. It's wild when, you know, Marvel essentially just copies DC. They find all the different 384 00:35:43,344 --> 00:35:47,727 ways in which that's the case. There are clearly some things that happened in the outsiders 385 00:35:47,747 --> 00:35:50,989 team after they happened to X-Force. So I don't want to hear it. 386 00:35:57,422 --> 00:36:03,088 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 387 00:36:03,108 --> 00:36:08,834 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 388 00:36:08,894 --> 00:36:14,580 DynaMic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 389 00:36:16,686 --> 00:36:23,329 Comic Book Titans smash every Tuesday, Max Destruction, where TV and action heroes battle every Wednesday, 390 00:36:23,889 --> 00:36:29,812 and Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on 391 00:36:29,832 --> 00:36:35,535 the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. 392 00:36:36,055 --> 00:36:40,337 Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 393 00:36:44,603 --> 00:36:48,026 But now that we got the team's histories and rosters out of the way, let's speculate on 394 00:36:48,086 --> 00:36:53,670 how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not 395 00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:58,775 the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. AG and IK, what are 396 00:36:58,795 --> 00:37:04,079 the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the teams 397 00:37:04,099 --> 00:37:08,663 have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out 398 00:37:09,023 --> 00:37:13,698 is that the other side is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the 399 00:37:13,738 --> 00:37:18,260 groups will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript environment that will have 400 00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:23,502 no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 401 00:37:23,982 --> 00:37:29,184 The teams must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. The Outsiders 402 00:37:29,525 --> 00:37:34,547 and X-Force meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Actually, Deadpool is going to start 403 00:37:34,587 --> 00:37:38,588 off by signaling, time out! He's going to be like, time out, time out! And he's going to 404 00:37:38,608 --> 00:37:42,662 speak directly to our listeners, and he's going to be like... You better get your white pants 405 00:37:42,762 --> 00:37:46,944 on nerds, it's gonna get good. And he was like, alright time in, we can commence with the fighting 406 00:37:46,984 --> 00:37:51,726 now. Okay, before he even finishes that last sentence though, Arsenal's just gonna shoot 407 00:37:51,746 --> 00:37:56,208 him right in the head with an arrow. So Deadpool is knocked out and he's gonna fall straight 408 00:37:56,228 --> 00:38:03,010 to the ground. Alright, okay that's fine. Archangel is gonna spread his metal wings and he's gonna 409 00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:09,573 take into the sky and just rain down a shower of razor feathers that's gonna slice into the 410 00:38:09,613 --> 00:38:15,551 entire Outsiders team. and poison them with a neurotoxin that paralyzes them. Ah, okay. 411 00:38:15,571 --> 00:38:21,752 Uh, but Metamorpho, he's gonna stretch his hands up and he's gonna transform his hands into 412 00:38:22,113 --> 00:38:27,774 a metal shield that protects the outsiders from those feathers. Okay, so the feathers stick 413 00:38:27,834 --> 00:38:32,855 into Metamorpho's shield, which is his hand, so the metal feathers are still gonna poison 414 00:38:32,895 --> 00:38:38,297 him and seep into his system. Well, no, because Metamorpho, he's actually immune to poisons 415 00:38:38,337 --> 00:38:44,120 due to his, you know, composition and he could reproduce the elemental makeup of whatever 416 00:38:44,140 --> 00:38:50,945 he comes into contact with so in fact he's gonna reproduce that neurotoxin in his body and become 417 00:38:51,025 --> 00:38:57,649 a poisonous cloud that spreads across the X-Force team paralyzing them. Okay I'm gonna say that 418 00:38:57,669 --> 00:39:04,014 before Metamorphro can even spread himself out over the X-Force team Cable's gonna reach out 419 00:39:04,034 --> 00:39:11,198 with his telekinesis to grab this poison cloud and dissipate him into the sky. So Metamorpho, 420 00:39:11,438 --> 00:39:15,339 he's like in the upper atmosphere now and he's gonna have to take some time to reconstitute 421 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:21,861 himself. Meanwhile, Talon, X23, she's gonna scramble across the battlefield over to Katana 422 00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:27,903 and she's gonna handspring kick her with her foot claws, just slashing her across the chest. 423 00:39:27,963 --> 00:39:33,904 No, because like in one smooth fluid motion, Katana is gonna unsheath her sword and just 424 00:39:34,124 --> 00:39:40,283 expertly deflect Talon's foot claws and then she's gonna... transfer that momentum from 425 00:39:40,323 --> 00:39:46,307 her defensive move into like a counter strike that is going to slash Talon across her back. 426 00:39:46,847 --> 00:39:52,911 Okay Talon's in pain but she's used to pain okay and without missing a beat she's gonna 427 00:39:52,991 --> 00:39:57,715 continue her claw fight against Katana's. Really I assume neither of their blades would break 428 00:39:57,755 --> 00:40:04,319 against each other considering Talon's blades are adamantium and Katana's blade is magic. 429 00:40:04,659 --> 00:40:08,694 Yeah her sword is unbreakable and it could basically cut through anything. I'm guessing you're going 430 00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:14,658 to say not adamantium. So yeah, Talon and Katana, they're going to get it. Meanwhile, Geoforce, 431 00:40:14,978 --> 00:40:20,302 he's going to use his Geokinesis to rip the ground up into like a series of boulders. And 432 00:40:20,322 --> 00:40:25,466 he's going to hurl those at Warpath, increasing their gravity to just bury him. Well, no matter 433 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:30,569 how heavy these boulders are, they're still made out of earth, right? And Warpath is super 434 00:40:30,629 --> 00:40:34,392 durable and strong. So he's just going to punch his way out from underneath these boulders. 435 00:40:34,912 --> 00:40:39,275 And then he's going to pick one of them up. and curl it over at Black Lightning to squashing 436 00:40:39,295 --> 00:40:43,798 him. OK, force field. You know, Black Lightning throws up his force field, which blocks against, 437 00:40:43,858 --> 00:40:49,762 you know, metal and energy projectiles. So that does literally nothing to. No, no, no. Boulder's 438 00:40:49,802 --> 00:40:54,446 not made out of metal. It's made out of like earth, like silicon, right? There's enough 439 00:40:54,526 --> 00:41:02,851 metallic elements in the boulder for it to be deflected. OK. Anyway, Domino is going to run 440 00:41:02,891 --> 00:41:07,722 over to Deadpool and yank Arsenal's arrow out of his brain. So Deadpool starts coming to 441 00:41:07,762 --> 00:41:13,844 and he's like back from the dead, just like Marvel Jesus. And Domino takes Arsenal's arrow 442 00:41:13,864 --> 00:41:19,225 and she's going to hurl it like a dart right at Black Bat. And the arrow is going to be 443 00:41:19,385 --> 00:41:25,207 aided by Domino's luck powers. So it's just going to bullseye Black Bat right in the face. 444 00:41:25,227 --> 00:41:29,748 Well, no, because Black Bat, she could just catch that arrow mid air because she has her 445 00:41:30,028 --> 00:41:34,289 kinesthetic intuition ability. She could read what Domino's doing and going to. No, no, no. 446 00:41:34,866 --> 00:41:40,329 Luck powers supersede intuition. Okay, so even though Black Bat tries to catch the arrow, 447 00:41:40,809 --> 00:41:46,272 her bad luck is gonna lead to the arrow just sticking right into her hand. Those luck powers 448 00:41:46,412 --> 00:41:53,656 are the lamest thing. I hate it, but sure, okay. Black Bat, you know, her hand gets pierced, 449 00:41:53,696 --> 00:41:57,918 but she's gonna break the arrow off and, you know, has a hand injury now, but she could 450 00:41:57,958 --> 00:42:04,241 roll with it. Meanwhile, Halo, she's gonna turn the color indigo and she's gonna put Deadpool. 451 00:42:04,606 --> 00:42:09,929 into a energy field, a tractor beam, and she's just gonna hurl him toward the horizon, just 452 00:42:09,969 --> 00:42:14,452 away from the battlefield. Are you gonna let him do anything during this match? I think, 453 00:42:14,552 --> 00:42:18,995 in fact, he actually yells those exact words as he disappears from view. He's gonna be like, 454 00:42:19,055 --> 00:42:25,820 are you gonna let me do anything, Johnny DC, you cock knocker? Nope. Meanwhile, Psylocke, 455 00:42:26,501 --> 00:42:31,724 using her stealth, she's gonna sneak up behind Geoforce, and she's gonna plunge her psychic 456 00:42:31,784 --> 00:42:36,624 knife right into the back of his head. stunning him. Okay, but Geoforce, he's not going to 457 00:42:36,644 --> 00:42:42,749 be stunned for long because her hand gets knocked away from Geoforce's head with a boxing glove 458 00:42:42,849 --> 00:42:48,173 arrow from Arsenal's quiver, and he's going to follow that up by firing two cryo arrows 459 00:42:48,513 --> 00:42:53,778 like in quick succession at her feet, trapping her in place. Big deal. She's going to break 460 00:42:53,838 --> 00:42:59,502 out of the ice by shattering it with her telekinesis, and then she's going to hurl a telepathic blade 461 00:42:59,723 --> 00:43:04,986 at Arsenal, and you know, he's going to try to because that's what he does, but he's not 462 00:43:05,006 --> 00:43:09,768 going to know that her blade is psychic energy. And so he's not going to be able to do anything 463 00:43:09,808 --> 00:43:16,111 about it. And the psychic blade hits him and he gets mentally knocked out. Meanwhile, Deadpool, 464 00:43:16,391 --> 00:43:22,393 he's going to come back onto the scene with Archangel who went to go get him. And Deadpool 465 00:43:22,773 --> 00:43:28,035 is writing Archangel kind of like Sebastian at the end of the never ending story. He's 466 00:43:28,055 --> 00:43:33,750 going to be like, Falcor is wonderful. And he leaps off of Archangel's back. You know, he's 467 00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:39,054 going to do a superhero landing next to Black Bat, and he's going to pull out his swords 468 00:43:39,614 --> 00:43:44,558 and be like, Hello, Black Bat, I'm White Wade Wilson. Is your power cultural appropriation? 469 00:43:44,578 --> 00:43:51,282 Dude, he doesn't even know what race she is. It doesn't matter. OK. I'm not going to lie. 470 00:43:51,362 --> 00:43:57,367 Like Deadpool's body language is probably super challenging for Black Bat to read. I imagine 471 00:43:57,647 --> 00:44:03,095 he's pretty unpredictable. So she's disoriented. And because of that, she's going to throw down 472 00:44:03,195 --> 00:44:09,540 a pellet with knockout gas that just puts him to sleep. All right. Once again, before he 473 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,164 gets to do anything, you're trying to take him down. So Deadpool falls asleep. And as he's 474 00:44:14,204 --> 00:44:18,247 dozing off, he's probably going to be like, don't hurt me, Liam Neeson or something. Well, 475 00:44:20,169 --> 00:44:26,233 by this point, Metamorpho has reconstituted and, you know, seeing Katana and Talon battling. 476 00:44:26,754 --> 00:44:31,515 He's gonna turn the lower half of his body into a straight jacket that just wraps around Talon, 477 00:44:32,076 --> 00:44:36,938 while the upper half of his body is still in his standard form, except for his hands. He's 478 00:44:36,958 --> 00:44:42,200 gonna turn those into mallets and he's just gonna pummel Talon mercilessly. Okay, so Talon 479 00:44:42,260 --> 00:44:46,182 is in a straight jacket and getting beat up, but a straight jacket's not gonna cover her 480 00:44:46,262 --> 00:44:53,084 legs. So while Metamorpho thinks he has her restrained, she's just gonna kick her leg up 481 00:44:53,185 --> 00:44:58,203 and slice off both of his hammer hands. with her foot claws and then she escapes the straitjacket. 482 00:44:58,623 --> 00:45:05,445 Meanwhile, Cable is gonna pull out his BFG. You know what that stands for? Big Friendly 483 00:45:05,526 --> 00:45:12,708 Giant. Stands for Big Fucking Gun, man. It's a giant energy rifle and Cable's gonna use 484 00:45:12,748 --> 00:45:18,091 it to shoot a hail of energy rounds at GeoForce, just perforating the guy. Okay, well I mean, 485 00:45:18,611 --> 00:45:25,946 how well does a BFG stand up against a BFV? A big fucking volcano. That's what's gonna 486 00:45:26,026 --> 00:45:32,950 erupt from the ground around Geoforce, blocking Cable's blasts. And Geoforce, he's in the center 487 00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:38,753 of this, like 30 foot tall mountain that shoots him into the sky as it erupts. And from the 488 00:45:38,913 --> 00:45:45,297 air, Geoforce is gonna bombard Cable with beams of magma. So Geoforce creates a volcano that 489 00:45:45,337 --> 00:45:50,639 shoots him up into the air? Yeah. That's pretty cool. But if it's only 30 feet tall, that sounds 490 00:45:50,659 --> 00:45:56,443 more like a little baby volcano than a big fucking volcano. Whatever. But Cable's gonna throw 491 00:45:56,463 --> 00:46:01,806 up a telekinetic shield to block the magma and you know, the sky's Archangel's domain So that 492 00:46:01,826 --> 00:46:06,930 was stupid like Geo Force is focused on burning up Cable when all of a sudden he gets sliced 493 00:46:06,970 --> 00:46:14,315 in half by Archangel's metal wings and Geo Force is the first one out in this match. What? No, 494 00:46:14,635 --> 00:46:21,260 I thought he was gonna be like my last one He's like my most powerful guy Okay. Well, I do 495 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:27,002 have one question for you Do you know what happens to an angel when it's struck by lightning? 496 00:46:27,563 --> 00:46:32,784 It croaks. The same thing that happens to everything else. Cause that's exactly what's gonna happen 497 00:46:32,804 --> 00:46:37,845 to Archangel. Black Lightning, you know, he saw what happened to Geoforce. And since Archangel's 498 00:46:37,905 --> 00:46:43,487 wings are made of metal, he's like a great conductor of electricity. So Black Lightning channels 499 00:46:43,707 --> 00:46:49,949 this massive lightning bolt that just completely fries Archangel to a crisp in the sky. So Archangel 500 00:46:50,029 --> 00:46:55,632 is out as well. All right, okay. Well, I'm going to say that the thunder from Black Lightning's 501 00:46:55,812 --> 00:47:01,217 lightning bolt is going to wake up Deadpool and Arsenal, who was, you know, knocked out 502 00:47:01,237 --> 00:47:05,982 by Psylocke. And Deadpool sits up and he's going to be like, where did that little baby volcano 503 00:47:06,022 --> 00:47:12,067 come from? Oh, my God. Are those twin gold plated desert eagles you're carrying? And he's going 504 00:47:12,087 --> 00:47:16,592 to point at Arsenal's guns and Arsenal's going to look down at his holster and he's going 505 00:47:16,612 --> 00:47:23,079 to be like, uh, no. Well, Deadpool's like, I need them for my collection. And he's going 506 00:47:23,099 --> 00:47:28,002 to teleport over to Arsenal and right away slice off his gun holster with his swords and knock 507 00:47:28,042 --> 00:47:31,784 the guns up into the air. And Deadpool's going to catch him and just pump Arsenal full of 508 00:47:31,824 --> 00:47:39,668 lead. And then Deadpool's going to be like, wait, these aren't gold. Okay. Well, as Deadpool 509 00:47:39,708 --> 00:47:45,211 comes to that realization, the guns actually get sliced in half, followed up by his own 510 00:47:45,251 --> 00:47:51,354 decapitation, all thanks to Katana's soul taker sword. So Deadpool's out of the match. Fine. 511 00:47:52,514 --> 00:47:59,837 Meanwhile, Metamorpho, who just regrew his hands, he hears a beeping sound. And he realizes that 512 00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:05,578 a sticky explosive mine has been thrown onto his back. And he's going to spin around and 513 00:48:05,618 --> 00:48:11,480 see Domino is the one who threw the mine. And with a smile, she's going to shoot right through 514 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:17,321 Metamorpho, hitting the explosive that stuck to his back in this unbelievably lucky shot. 515 00:48:17,802 --> 00:48:23,083 and the mine is gonna detonate with a sizable explosion that just sends chunks of metamorpho 516 00:48:23,443 --> 00:48:29,885 scattered across the battlefield. All right. So, Halo sees this and goes on the offensive 517 00:48:29,945 --> 00:48:36,947 against Domino. She turns yellow and flashes at Domino, blinding her, which I believe negates 518 00:48:37,047 --> 00:48:43,609 Domino's luck powers since they depend on her vision, right? Right. So, bad luck for Domino, 519 00:48:43,829 --> 00:48:50,484 Halo then turns red and just beams at giant hole right through Domino's torso, taking her 520 00:48:50,544 --> 00:48:56,649 out of the match. Good one. That was good. Well, Warpath saw what Halo did, and he just throws 521 00:48:56,689 --> 00:49:02,454 his vibranium knives like two tomahawks right at Halo and the knives impale her and take 522 00:49:02,474 --> 00:49:08,719 her out of this match, too. Yeah, no, the Halo Warpath threw his knives at just dissipated 523 00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:13,022 into blue light when the blades went through her because there was a hologram created by 524 00:49:13,062 --> 00:49:20,979 Halo. And that's when Black Bat She's going to swoop in and stealthily land on Warpath's 525 00:49:20,999 --> 00:49:25,121 shoulders. And before he could do anything, she's going to be striking nerve points across 526 00:49:25,161 --> 00:49:30,404 his body in rapid succession, just paralyzing Kim and making him useless for the rest of 527 00:49:30,424 --> 00:49:36,207 the match. OK, well, Psylocke sees this and she jumps in and fights Black Bat, you know, 528 00:49:36,267 --> 00:49:42,229 ninja versus ninja. And like maybe Black Bat gets a few good hits in there. But suddenly. 529 00:49:42,818 --> 00:49:47,399 Black Bat realizes she can't read Psylocke's moves anymore because her mind is all fuzzy. 530 00:49:47,919 --> 00:49:53,961 And that's because Psylocke telepathically clouds her brain. And then she deals her coup de grace 531 00:49:54,141 --> 00:49:59,382 with a telekinetic sword right through Black Bat's torso. So Black Bat's gone. And you know 532 00:49:59,402 --> 00:50:06,424 what? I'm not even angry. Black Bat went out with honor, but not by Psylocke. Before Psylocke 533 00:50:06,604 --> 00:50:12,846 could deal the final blow, Katana's Soul Sword warned her of Black Bat's imminent death. And 534 00:50:12,886 --> 00:50:17,728 so Katana, she moved really quick over to Black Bat and made sure that she trapped Cassandra's 535 00:50:17,788 --> 00:50:22,771 soul and her sword by delivering that killing blow. And that's going to give Katana not only 536 00:50:22,871 --> 00:50:28,455 Black Bat's kinesthetic intuition, but also her martial arts mastery and knowledge of Psylocke's 537 00:50:28,595 --> 00:50:33,878 psychic powers. And since Katana's sword can block things that are immaterial, like psychic 538 00:50:33,938 --> 00:50:39,361 blades, the two are just going to clash and sword on sword action. But ultimately, with 539 00:50:39,401 --> 00:50:43,722 Black Bat's aid, Katana's gonna come on top and she's just gonna impale Psylocke with her 540 00:50:43,762 --> 00:50:49,364 sword and steal her soul as well. That doesn't make any sense. So Katana took out her own 541 00:50:49,444 --> 00:50:56,027 teammate in order to get her teammates abilities. It's like friendly seppuku, okay? But just 542 00:50:56,047 --> 00:51:01,448 because Katana would be aware then that Psylocke probably has psychic powers, that doesn't make 543 00:51:01,608 --> 00:51:07,787 her immune to Psylocke's psychic attacks. Wha- Katana can't be easily affected psychically 544 00:51:07,827 --> 00:51:12,249 because the soul of her husband talks to her all the time through the sword, you know, feeding 545 00:51:12,269 --> 00:51:17,471 her information, and he'd warn her and tell her how to move and dodge and parry and slash 546 00:51:17,491 --> 00:51:22,613 and stuff if Psylocke tried to affect Katana psychically, like through illusions or clouding 547 00:51:22,633 --> 00:51:31,217 or anything like that. Uh, okay, alright. If you say so. I do! I think that's a reach. Uh, 548 00:51:31,257 --> 00:51:37,007 so suddenly Katana dies. because Cable lifts her up by her neck with his metal tech arm 549 00:51:37,047 --> 00:51:42,009 and just snaps the life out of her. Dude, she would literally slice that metal arm right 550 00:51:42,129 --> 00:51:46,671 the hell off before he could even do that. Not if Cable telekinetically keeps her from swinging 551 00:51:46,691 --> 00:51:54,514 that sword. Fuck! So she's out. Meanwhile, Talon is going up against Halo. And Halo, you know, 552 00:51:54,554 --> 00:52:01,317 she could probably block Talon's attacks with her orange force field. But Cable has the ability 553 00:52:01,397 --> 00:52:07,031 to... telepathically compel Halo to drop her forcefield. And that's gonna leave her vulnerable 554 00:52:07,071 --> 00:52:14,933 to Talon, who just rips Halo to shreds. No! Okay, well, you know what's cool though? Both 555 00:52:14,973 --> 00:52:20,055 of your guys that are left, Cable and Talon, they have conductive metal throughout their 556 00:52:20,075 --> 00:52:26,417 body. So while Cable is busy with Katana and Halo, his metal arm just gets slammed with 557 00:52:26,617 --> 00:52:30,926 millions of volts of electricity from Black Lightning. who also is going to chain that 558 00:52:31,126 --> 00:52:37,871 off of him to Talon. So both of them basically get electrocuted to death. And bam, Black Lightning 559 00:52:37,911 --> 00:52:43,794 emerges victorious. Oh, you think so? OK, right? Well, Black Lightning thinks that he's won. 560 00:52:44,134 --> 00:52:50,258 A little Deadpool emerges looking like a naked troll doll with a mask on because his decapitated 561 00:52:50,298 --> 00:52:56,418 head is regrowing his body. And like a weird baby, he stumbles over to Cable's body. and 562 00:52:56,458 --> 00:53:02,439 steals his time travel device and he uses it to travel through time and the multiverse and 563 00:53:02,459 --> 00:53:07,881 he's gonna pop back onto the battlefield the moment he left with a whole legion of Deadpool 564 00:53:07,901 --> 00:53:13,262 variants, the Deadpool core and Deadpool's gonna lead them into battle he's gonna be like FOR 565 00:53:13,302 --> 00:53:19,764 FREEDOM and they're gonna swarm black lightning and just massacre the guy like it's not pretty 566 00:53:20,344 --> 00:53:25,185 and then with the battle over Deadpool says to our listeners those shit fucks down the 567 00:53:25,225 --> 00:53:31,393 street never stood a chance and he does the X salute and he's like X force match over. 568 00:53:31,694 --> 00:53:37,878 Except that as he's doing the salute he's gonna get clocked by Shift which is a sentient Metamorpho 569 00:53:37,938 --> 00:53:42,341 remnant who was a part of the Outsiders for a time and you know he turned his fist into 570 00:53:42,361 --> 00:53:47,605 an anvil and just punches the lights out of Deadpool and in fact actually with all the 571 00:53:47,645 --> 00:53:53,369 scattered pieces of Metamorpho around the battlefield there's an army of shifts just ready to take 572 00:53:53,429 --> 00:53:59,347 on the Deadpool core. So good luck with that. I'm going to say that Metamorpho was blown 573 00:53:59,448 --> 00:54:05,810 up into two smaller pieces to actually form an army of Metamorphos. Metamorpho has like 574 00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:12,373 literally been vaporized multiple times and he's always come back. So has Deadpool. Unless 575 00:54:12,433 --> 00:54:17,335 you have like a magic sorcerer supreme Deadpool because that's really the only way Metamorpho 576 00:54:17,355 --> 00:54:22,277 can be taken out is magically. Then I think this match would just basically go on forever. 577 00:54:22,930 --> 00:54:29,033 I'm sorry to tell you one of the Deadpool variants is the Sorcerer Supreme. So there you go. And 578 00:54:29,093 --> 00:54:34,436 I think you're making that shit up. Well, we could go ahead and leave the match there. Either 579 00:54:34,556 --> 00:54:40,639 the Deadpool core beats this legion of Metamorphos or the Metamorphos beat the Deadpool core. 580 00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:46,122 We'll go ahead and input the stats on all these characters, run the simulations and see which 581 00:54:46,182 --> 00:54:53,502 team came out on top. AJ9K, hit it! Inputting data, running calculations. Processing results. 582 00:54:54,023 --> 00:54:59,667 Simulations complete. All right, this was a great matchup. These teams are very, very close. 583 00:55:00,287 --> 00:55:04,470 They were close thematically. They were close in terms of their backstories, and they're 584 00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:10,675 even close statistically. Cable was by far the most powerful member out of either of these 585 00:55:10,715 --> 00:55:18,121 groups. But the outsiders were no slouch either. Black Lightning, Metamorpho, Geoforce, they 586 00:55:18,141 --> 00:55:23,872 were all heavy hitters. Yeah, Geoforce was my heaviest, followed closely behind by Metamorpho, 587 00:55:24,372 --> 00:55:30,816 and Black Lightning was just under him. Yeah, actually both Geoforce and Metamorpho won around 588 00:55:30,896 --> 00:55:36,639 3 fourths of all of their matches, and Black Lightning won about 3 fifths of his matches. 589 00:55:37,179 --> 00:55:42,622 Cable, though, won like 4 out of 5 of all his matches, but the rest of my guys didn't do 590 00:55:42,682 --> 00:55:48,405 as well. Like, Deadpool, Psylocke, Archangel, they all came out around the same statistically. 591 00:55:48,842 --> 00:55:54,607 winning just about half of their matchups. My second most powerful guy was actually Warpath, 592 00:55:54,687 --> 00:55:59,391 who won a little bit over half of his matchups. Yeah, not too many of my team members were 593 00:55:59,431 --> 00:56:04,656 around that 50 percent mark. I had some that were either like three fourths winning or one 594 00:56:04,676 --> 00:56:11,122 fourth winning. So, you know, it varied quite a bit. My weakest character by far, surprisingly, 595 00:56:11,482 --> 00:56:17,654 was Kitana. Yeah, she's not impressive statistically, is she? No, not even compared to some of your 596 00:56:17,694 --> 00:56:23,196 weaker characters. She only won one fifth out of every match, basically. Yeah, if you think 597 00:56:23,236 --> 00:56:28,497 about it, Katana has the ability to steal your soul if she kills you, right? But like, as 598 00:56:28,578 --> 00:56:33,139 a superpower, that's kind of lame because you'd be dead anyway, right? It was a power that 599 00:56:33,219 --> 00:56:38,921 didn't help her in the stats, really. In terms of the overall team stats, the biggest discrepancy 600 00:56:38,981 --> 00:56:44,139 between these two teams was fighting skill. and versatility. Like the outsiders were way 601 00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:49,663 more versatile than the X-Force who are mainly just you know like shoot and stab guys, but 602 00:56:49,923 --> 00:56:55,027 X-Force was much more trained in hand-to-hand combat than the outsiders. Which is wild because 603 00:56:55,167 --> 00:57:00,571 I feel like I had the best fighter in Black Bat. Yeah you had Black Bat and Katana, but 604 00:57:00,591 --> 00:57:05,154 you also had Halo who really brought your team down. Whereas everyone in X-Force is like an 605 00:57:05,234 --> 00:57:11,222 expert fighter almost. X-Force also had the edge in durability and strength but the outsiders 606 00:57:11,302 --> 00:57:17,103 had the edge in damage level and range. So taking all this into consideration, Jonathan, considering 607 00:57:17,143 --> 00:57:21,404 how close things are, who do you see coming out on top here? Well, it's definitely closer 608 00:57:21,465 --> 00:57:24,885 than I thought it was going to be. I thought the outsiders were totally going to stomp, 609 00:57:25,025 --> 00:57:29,907 but I think the outsiders are still going to come out ahead just barely. Instagram does 610 00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:36,148 not agree with me. Apparently X-Force is the more popular team. 62% of our poll takers sided 611 00:57:36,188 --> 00:57:40,806 with Marvel for this team match. And I'm ready to prove them all wrong. I don't know, they 612 00:57:40,826 --> 00:57:45,969 sound pretty right to me, but let's go ahead and find out. AJ9K, the results please. Here 613 00:57:45,989 --> 00:57:57,396 you are, sir. Alright the winner between the Outsiders and X-Force is... X-Force! Damn it! 614 00:57:57,636 --> 00:58:04,560 Suck on that! X-Force wins! It was really damn close though. Out of 1000 matches, X-Force 615 00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:13,380 won 509. whereas the outsiders won 491, basically a coin toss between these two teams. That is 616 00:58:13,460 --> 00:58:18,842 shocking. Again, I did not think it was gonna be this close. Me and the DC guys on Discord 617 00:58:18,882 --> 00:58:23,744 were like, oh yeah, outsiders is totally gonna take this one. Haha, Marvel's stupid. I mean, 618 00:58:23,824 --> 00:58:27,786 Marvel's still stupid. But then who turned out to be stupid, right? Is that what you're gonna 619 00:58:27,826 --> 00:58:35,049 say? No. I am super pleased with these results. I think X-Horse is just too badass of a team 620 00:58:35,089 --> 00:58:41,725 to lose. to a bunch of nobodies like outsiders like who the hell has ever heard of Halo? Not 621 00:58:41,785 --> 00:58:47,970 me. Uh, I'm pretty sure more people have heard of Halo than fucking Warpath. Warpath was in 622 00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:54,414 X-Men Days of Future Past. Okay? All of my guys on the X-Force team have been in movies. Oh, 623 00:58:54,434 --> 00:59:00,178 and guess what? Halo has been in Young Justice Outsiders. So that again, that's a fucking 624 00:59:00,198 --> 00:59:08,456 cartoon that nobody's watched. Marvel's just more popular. and they're stronger and in this 625 00:59:08,496 --> 00:59:15,063 case just better overall. But not better looking because you guys have Deadpool. Sure, but who 626 00:59:15,103 --> 00:59:21,050 cares? He kicked ass this match. Who really wins? DC. All right. You got to take what you 627 00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:26,976 can get, I suppose. Oh, we will. We will. But that does it for this team duel, guys. AJ and 628 00:59:27,076 --> 00:59:34,064 IK, help close this out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic duel. Visit the show's website at 629 00:59:34,104 --> 00:59:39,688 dynamicduel.com and follow us on Instagram at dynamicduelpodcast. 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We want to give a big 637 01:00:19,836 --> 01:00:24,637 thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, 638 01:00:24,797 --> 01:00:29,781 Miggye Mathagian. Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, AJ 639 01:00:29,841 --> 01:00:35,886 Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Schunk, Dean Molesky, Devin Davis, 640 01:00:36,046 --> 01:00:41,351 Joseph Kirsting, and Josh Leiner for helping to make this podcast possible. We'll talk to 641 01:00:41,371 --> 01:00:47,816 you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. I wore my white pants for that episode, but 642 01:00:47,836 --> 01:00:50,999 then I remembered it's after Labor Day and now I'm just devastated.